1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: But then in ninety four, like you said, when he 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: brought up the world tour. It got all the way 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: to the point where Arnold Palmer called a meeting in 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: his office at Bay Hill and Greg didn't want to 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: go and they told me, you gotta go tell Norman, 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: since your board member, and you know I'm telling him 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: he has to come to this meeting. So I told 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: him and Arnold Eloquently said this is over. Put another 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: log on the fire. Nobody here is get the time. Hello, 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: this is Alan Schipnuk, back for another fire drill podcast. 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: I am joined by Michael Bamberger in Philadelphia and Davis 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: love the third, who was kind enough to call in 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: from the Windham championship down in North Carolina. We're gonna 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: talk about the big news at hand, which is the 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: ongoing civil war between the PGA tour and live golf, 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: and of course that's now reached the litigation stage and 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue to discuss. Before we get to that, 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: just a quick shout out to our sponsors who make 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: all this stuff possible. 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Delighted 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: to be joined by Michael Bamberger and Aldelphia and Davis. 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Loved the third coming at us from what we used 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: to call it the Greater Greensboro Open right, but now 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: it's slightly different. G G oh, yes, now it's the window. 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: It's the window, it's the window. Davis, thank you so 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: much for being here. Um Um, of course you and 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Michael Go way, way back. Michael was trying to locate 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: the book that you wrote together on the bookshelf behind 43 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: them but, in typical fashion, could not locate it. But Um, 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: uh so we we want to talk about this current 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: moment in golf and you were pretty outspoken in your 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: press conference there at the window. Um, but I thought 47 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: I'd be helpful for a lot of listeners don't remember 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: the world tour of the early nineties and you were 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: one of the biggest stars in the game. Certainly you 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: were part of those conversations and even going further back when, 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: when you came on tour six you know, Greg Norman 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: was emerging as a real force in the sports so 53 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: you've you've known norman for a long time and and 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: uh so that relationship was are these world tor negotiations 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: in the early nineties. Can can you tell us a 56 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: little bit about your your how your relationship with Greg 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: as evolved through the years and and relive that the 58 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: world tour days of the early nineties? Well, the early 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: relationship was greg was trying, just trying to beat him. 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: You know, I was. I was a guy trying to, 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, come out on tour and and and run 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: up against the Greg Great White Shark you know Darrell. 63 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: He hit miraculous shots and unbelievable monker shots and beat 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: us there every year. and Um, when you're at the master's, 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: I was in the hunt on Sunday and said well, 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: if I can, I was playing with Greg. If I 67 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: could just beat Greg, you know I'm gonna win the tournament. 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: And I beat Greg and shot sixty six and I 69 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't win the tournament. Um. So I ran up against 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: him a lot Um, I would say, you know, cordial, 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: um relationship, competitive relationship. But then in ninety four, like 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: you said, when he brought up the world tour. That 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: was during one of my many terms on the board 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: and I was amongst the fight Um with him on 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: that subject and some of the other players that he 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: had kind of gathered around him to try to to 77 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: to make a run at the tour, to do something different. 78 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: It got all the way to the point where Um 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer called a meeting in his office at Bay 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Hill of the top thirty or forty players and Tim 81 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: fincham obviously was there. Our commissioner and Greg didn't want 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: to go and they told me you gotta go tell Norman, 83 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: since your board member and you know him. Telling him 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: he has to come to this meeting. So I told 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: him and basically, you know the one time I twisted 86 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: his arm. So you have to go to this meeting. 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: You have to listen to what what Arnolds gonna say, 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: because I don't go to meetings and I don't know 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: what it's about. You know what it's about. It's about 90 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: the world tour and I'll tell you what he's gonna 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: say when we get to the top of the stairs. 92 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: And we we walked in, I said Arno was gonna 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: tell you this is over, and Arnold's and Tim both 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: spoke and said this is not the right thing to do. Um, 95 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: we can make changes to the P G A tour 96 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: if we want to, but we're gonna do it in house. 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: And Arnold Eloquently said Jack and I could have taken 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: ownership in the PGA tour when we helped start it, 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: but we didn't. We set it up to run like 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: it's running now. It's running great. We're at a good 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: point in the game and this is over. And my 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: relationship with Greg hasn't been any good since. Um. We 103 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of discussions or arguments back then and 104 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: my position is still the same. If you work within 105 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: the system. Um, great things can happen if you get 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: outside the system and break the rules. Look, look, look 107 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: where they are now. I mean that that's quite a moment. 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I've been in Arnold's office. Uh, did you 109 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: really have three dozen dudes crowded in there? Yeah, packed 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: packed in there. Um, you know, it was whoever the 111 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: top thirty, forty guys that were in the field that week. 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: And you know there was obviously the players of you know, 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: the Fred couples or the VJ sings or the Phil Nicholson's. 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Those guys are who we're driving the bus of the 115 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: PGA tour, you know, and that's who Greg was after 116 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: the top thirty, and also, Um, who the commissioner was protecting. 117 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: And you know, I called Jay Monahan back, Um, late October, 118 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: early November last year and I said we need an 119 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: a palmer right now, don't we? And he said yes, 120 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: we do. and Um, you know, back then it was 121 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: really just Phil Nicholson we were concerned about and trying 122 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: to help, and Jay was asking my help to Um, 123 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: you know, to get close to Phil and say, you know, 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: there's a way out of this. If if you're willing 125 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: and so like. Yesterday was breaking news this lawsuit. Well, 126 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: to those of us on the inside, or the guys 127 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: on the board, are the staff of the tour it's 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: not breaking news. It's been coming for over a year 129 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: and they've been telling players for over a year. If 130 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: you break these rules, if you sign up with this league, Um, 131 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: these are your options. You're either suspended or your band 132 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: for life. Those are only to two options. So to 133 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: say that his breaking news amongst the top players that 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: either went or I have not gone. It's not breaking news. 135 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately, this has been dragging on for a year. 136 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: David's Great Norman. I've had a lot of experience with him, 137 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: nothing like yours, you know, in a different way. I 138 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: find him to be a charismatic person in a lot 139 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: of ways and, uh, he's intense. He gets right in 140 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: your face. I'll just sell you look quick aside. One 141 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: of my first assignments in sports illustrated was mark mccomber 142 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: and Greg Norman got in this feud over whether macomber 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: had picked up a live piece of grass, basically in 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: his line at fire someone one year, I think it was, 145 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: and Macomber said that he had and Norman refused to 146 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: sign his scorecard and uh, and turned to the whole thing. 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: When I was reporting the story, Um, Norman said, you 148 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of brother guys have I troubled with him? 149 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: You should call day this. So I called Davis and 150 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: I said, Davis, have you had probably problems of Macomber? 151 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: And David said, you know, I've heard of things, but no, 152 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: I've never. I've never had any problems with macomber myself. 153 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: So then I reported that back to Norman and Norman said, Ah, 154 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: you calling Davis another Yah, but it's bizarre because no, 155 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: not at all. Did exactly what you told me to do. UH, 156 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: but anyway. But but the reason I say that is 157 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: because Norman said to me early on, you know, more 158 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: than half a year ago, how do you feel about 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: this thing? And I said, if the funding were from 160 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: someone other than the Saudis, if I would feel one way, 161 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: but because it is from the Saudis, I feel I 162 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: feel another and I just wonder it's it's such a 163 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: big subject. I'm doing the exact thing I said I 164 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't do, going to the biggest, broadest part of it. 165 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,359 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering to what degree Davis is the combination 166 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: of Norman, who's such an outside figure and you're such 167 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: an inside figure, and the saw the money. How much 168 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: emotion is that generating for you personally? That's a great question. 169 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: So the Saudi question is one one issue and outside 170 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: of the United States, the rest of the world really 171 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have the problem with the Saudis that the United 172 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: States does, or the public. You know, obviously big corporations 173 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: do business with the Saudis from the United States. Um, 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: there's there's tour sponsors that do business with the Saudies. Um, 175 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: if you if you just completely cut out the Saudias, 176 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the Chinese and, you know, half of South America, we 177 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't have very many sponsors or business going on in 178 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: this country. So that's a that is a problem. And 179 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: then Greg Norman is a problem because he's tried to 180 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: do this twice. We've been investigated by the federal government 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: twice for collusion or anti trust. Why? Because Greg Norman, 182 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: who's a famous offer, got up and said the tour 183 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: is cheating me and is holding me back from earning money, 184 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: and there they won't let us do what we want 185 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: to do. That's the only reason we've been investigated not 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: because we're not successful or a group of players are 187 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: complaining or we we went out on strike. No, it's 188 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: because of Great Norman. So those two are issues. But 189 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: let's just say Um Elon Musk decided to sponsor this 190 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of money and a great plan. 191 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: It threatens the structure of the PGA tour to take 192 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: forty or fifty or thirty of the top players and 193 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: say you can play over here fourteen weeks. They'RE gonna 194 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: play next year and then you can come back and 195 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: Cherry pick the really good tournaments on the PGA tour 196 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: and the and the majors and and not support the 197 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: rest of the PGA tour. We have whatever forty events. 198 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: There's rules. You have to play fifteen to be a member. 199 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: We've had that rule before, Greg Norman. And the great 200 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: point that Jay struggling because he gets beat up in 201 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: the media. Yet you can ask you all these questions, Shamn, 202 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: and our commissioner. He said something great yesterday. These rules, 203 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: regulations are made by the players for the players. That's 204 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: the point that the courts or the public or the 205 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: players that left there. You know who's making the rules now. 206 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: Rory mcelroy he's on the board of the tour. He 207 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: came from Ireland, the little kid like Greg Norman. They 208 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: wanted to come to America and be a superhero in 209 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: golf and he became one. And instead of challenging the 210 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: system and going off with somebody else, with with live golf, 211 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: he's working within the system to change the rules. Now 212 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: he and some other players have a groundswell of all right, 213 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe we do need to make some changes. Let's work 214 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: with the commissioner and solve this. That's how it gets done. 215 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I've seen it happen. How many times have we changed 216 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: the Fedex Cup or the qualifying system or um the schedule? 217 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,479 Speaker 1: That comes from the players, not not from staff. So anyways, 218 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: the threat to the structure of our business is the 219 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: bigger issue. That's the court battle. The court battle that 220 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: in oversalities are Greg Norman. Is the growth of the 221 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: PGA tour over the last twenty years under this system 222 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: of rules written by the players. Is it working? Yes, 223 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: we've grown exponentially in the last twenty years. I mean 224 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: in fairness to Norman, I'm going back to I mean 225 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: as a result of that that challenge for the structure, 226 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: we got the world golf championships, the President's Cup, like 227 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: there was. There were some positive changes and and the 228 00:12:53,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: tour became more global. That is there. Is Right. But 229 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: if Greg Norman and Vj Singh and whoever else he 230 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: had on his list had come to the board, I 231 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: was on the board at the time, had come to 232 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: the board and said we want this, and in fact 233 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: I have twenty two players that are willing to go, 234 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: this is what we want that, they would have gotten 235 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: the same result. World Golf Championships. Um, the President's Cup 236 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: started in ninety four. So it was yeah, I think 237 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was gonna happen. It might have happened anyway, 238 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: but I probably got fast tracked faster, like in like 239 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: in one year. But yeah, but you you make an 240 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: excellent point and a lot of players say, well, the 241 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: tours reactionary to this. Well, wait a minute, we had 242 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: no idea five years before, like in Greg Norman was 243 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: going to try this. So yes, we reacted to an 244 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: uprising of the players. Two years ago we had no, no, 245 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: really idea that. Well, three years ago and no idea 246 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: of COVID was coming. So yes, we were reactionary to 247 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: covid and we were reactionary to this latest challenge. But 248 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: what we're we I say we because I'm I'm a 249 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: little bit on the inside, not like I was on 250 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: when I was on the board, but the veteran players, 251 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: former board members, the people that talked to, the J 252 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Monahans and the Tim fincham's. We're building for the future, 253 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: not for next year. We have to protect this system. 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: So they threw out an interesting status this last couple 255 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: of weeks and I was one of the examples that 256 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: they used. I've made fifty eight million dollars comprehensive earnings 257 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: on the PGA tour, official money, unofficial money, retirement plan, 258 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: Fedex cut comprehensive earnings. If you had my career starting 259 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: right now, and I've been I've been using Um cam 260 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: young as my example. If Cam Young Has Davis loves career, 261 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: he makes six hundred and fifteen million dollars. So the growth, 262 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: the growth and the business of the tour is working 263 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and I'm trying Tiger Woods, Roy, mcelroy, guys on the 264 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: board now, Kevin Kissner, we're trying to protect that for 265 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Jackson Bird, Jonathan's son, Tiger's son. So it's there for 266 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: them to have that opportunity, just like we did. And 267 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: that's why Tiger talks about legacy and records, because he 268 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: wants somebody to try to break his records or he 269 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: wants his kid to be able to play and try 270 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to Chase Fred couples records. That's what golf is all about. 271 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: We want to see these major winners compared to pass 272 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: major winners. Right Um, we want we want tiger to 273 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: break Jack's record. You know, that's that's the important thing. 274 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: It's not how much money. And when you look at 275 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: live they say it's not about the money, but what 276 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: else is it about? It's all about the money. So well, 277 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: I think on the most personal level, no matter how 278 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: you feel about this thing degreed and the desire for 279 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: more and more and more in a narrow when so 280 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: much of the world doesn't even have enough, that's just 281 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: personally offensive to a lot of people, and I guess 282 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: I would. I'm not a guest, I would definitely put 283 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: myself in that category. It's like how much is enough? 284 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean golf is a niche sport in the first place, 285 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: but let's put that aside for a second day. Of said, 286 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: let me ask this. You've known Phil for probably thirty years, 287 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: if not more. Um, you would phil were side by side. 288 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Of course, you're both P J championship winners, working side 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: by side last year at the president's Scutt it's hard 290 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: to imagine someone on a higher high than he was 291 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: walking with amy and yeah, you know, just adored by 292 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: the players and by spectators and by everybody else. His 293 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: life has fallen apart since then. Do you like we're 294 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: seeing the actual Phil Michelson now. How do how do you? 295 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: How does that play in your mind? The PHILM Michelson 296 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: that we thought we knew, the Til Michelson that you 297 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: actually knew, and what we're seeing now? Well, Um, Phil 298 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: is a great Um promoter actor. You know, he's Um. 299 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: He played the part as the Superhero of golf very well, 300 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: but unfortunately, you know, we heard these rumors of problems, 301 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, and as in the background, and now they 302 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: seemed to come out more public. Um. And you see, 303 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: every one of these players has a different reason for 304 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: going to live and Phils, apparently, was all all about 305 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: the money. You know, he's challenging, he always has challenged 306 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: the rules and regulations of the PGA tour. But the 307 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: PGA tour is what made Phil Mickelson famous. You know, 308 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: if it's if it wasn't for the system where you 309 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: could get an exemption, and I'm into play and Um, 310 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: he you know, he never went to q school. The 311 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: system worked for him and made him famous and put 312 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: him put him in the hall of fame. So No, Phil, 313 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: Phil's a troubled soul and he's had a lot of 314 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: friends like me, trying very hard to try to help him. 315 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: Not About live and not about golf, but about Phil Nucholson. Um, 316 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, right now it's tragic that that none of 317 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: us can get him to take a phone call. You know, 318 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you've heard Fred's quotes. He's gone dark and, Um, we'll 319 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: not take a phone call. One of one of his 320 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: one of his really good friends, said, look, we've tried 321 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: as hard as we can. You know, eventually we have 322 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: to move on and it's unfortunately. I'm praying for Phil 323 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: and a lot of those guys that are my friends 324 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: that somehow something good, Um, can happen and turn this around. 325 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: But you know, Tiger Woods had his problems a couple 326 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: of times and had to face the music and look 327 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: at him now. He's he's leader. He's bringing young players 328 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: to his home, he's he's mentoring guys, he's he's captaining teams. 329 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: He agreed to be an assistant captain for me back 330 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: in Ryder Cup. And to your point, Phil left the 331 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: PGA championship year and a half ago as a golf hero. 332 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: Couldn't have been a bigger high. Dustin Johnson left whistling 333 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: straits an American golf hero, five and Oh, team leader, 334 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: veteran player. Has Dustin Johnson ever been on a bigger high? 335 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: And now he's, you know, Lance Armstrong like people are, 336 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: hands off, stay, stay away this guy. This guy's got 337 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: bad Karma. Um, Dustin did for a completely different reason. 338 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: Dustin got to a number where he said, look, I 339 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: can ride off into the sunset. I had a had 340 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: a wonderful conversation with Dustin about this whole thing before London. 341 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: I have no problem with Dustin. He's honest with me. 342 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: Now the rest of these guys are lying, Um Miss Truce, 343 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: Um Deflecting, um conniving, and that's what that's what's so 344 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: sad is they're getting told things from somewhere, from Liv Golf, 345 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: that are just not true. And and our I can 346 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: watch him stand up there in the press commerce just 347 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: flat outline. Um. Greg Norman does it almost every time 348 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: he's on TV. He tells a lie. We're a closed shop, 349 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: he said the other day. Right, no, I know three 350 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: or four players that they're actively recruiting right now. Is 351 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: You're not a closed shop, um. So it's just it's 352 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: so sad that we've gotten to this point where we're 353 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: fighting amongst ourselves in a game that, you know, all 354 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: three of US respect because of the history and the legacy. Hey, 355 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: Bayern Nelson played two years to make enough money to 356 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: buy a farm. He was playing for money, but look 357 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: at his legacy. You know you want a bunch of 358 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: golf tournaments. Did A lot for charity. Helps support the 359 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: determinent analysis whole career. Sat on the first tea at 360 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: the masters and greeted new players and was was a 361 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: mentor in the game. Fred couples would take me to 362 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: his house. But he did play for money, but he 363 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: did it the right way. Your use of the Word 364 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Karma is interesting. So, just as a thought exercise, let's 365 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: say that the live golfers win their uh all these 366 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: court battles, they are able to keep playing in tour events. You, 367 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: as the President's Cup captain will have to decide if 368 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: you want to select some of them for your team. Potentially, 369 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: in this scenario, this hypothetical, would you? Would you automatically 370 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: discount them as candidates because you think that it would 371 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: be too divisive to to bring them onto your your 372 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: team of loyal PG tourment would not pick them? Um, 373 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a way that they could be. 374 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: The court could force the tour to make them eligible. Um, 375 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: they'd have to get in the top six and points. 376 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna help you with your hypothetical. They'd 377 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: have to play well in the playoffs, because none of 378 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: them are in the high enough, in the top six, 379 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: and then I can, I can be the bad guy 380 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: and not pick them. Um, so, hypothetically, even if, yes, 381 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: I don't see any way they're gonna play, a player 382 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: in the locker room. Yesterday, after all this news came out, 383 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: because you know, I agree with all this, except for 384 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, in the President's Cup, they ought to 385 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: be allowed to play. I said, you've never been in 386 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: our team room. We have guys in past years we 387 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't want in our team room because they were a 388 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: little bit divisive, not a team guy. We're out for themselves. 389 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: Now we know who they are. There's something they're not 390 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: coming in our team room. I said I would. I 391 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: would walk out before I had to have three or 392 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: four of those guys on my team if I was 393 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: a player. That's what I keep saying. Unfortunately, the article 394 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: came out that I said the US Open Strike. That's 395 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: not what I said. I was talking about because I 396 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: knew last week at the rocket mortgage this lawsuit was coming. 397 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I said, if they sue and they are allowed to 398 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: play in the Fedex playoffs, one thing the players can 399 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: do is just say fine, if those guys are playing, 400 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: I'm not playing. Now I know I will not name names. 401 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: I know that there's five or six influential players that 402 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: totally agree. I didn't. I'm not the first one to 403 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: come up with us, but we sit with another guy 404 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: and go, he and I think that we should not 405 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: play the fedex, but those guys are allowed to play. 406 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: What do you think? And he goes, if if everybody 407 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: else is on board, I won't play. We're Madam, it's somebody. 408 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Yesterday I said don't go on the locker room. Everybody's 409 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: all piste off. You know we're defending our way of 410 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: life and what Max Holmers said it best. You can't 411 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: buy my dream there. There they're suing our dream and 412 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: it could hurt our business and down the road, our 413 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: ability to make money. If they win and the structure 414 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: falls and our rules fall apart in court, we will 415 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: make less money on the PGA tour. That's guaranteed. Sponsors 416 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: will drop. You know, we may have to go to 417 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: a tax organization rather than a tax exempt organization. That 418 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: means our expenses go up. You know, it's the whole thing. 419 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: People just don't understand how big we're. A billion, five 420 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: billion six business this year. It's a big business. The 421 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: structure is working. We paid out, WE'RE gonna pay out 422 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: of that to the players in this year. So we 423 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: make a lot of money and we give a lot 424 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: of money away. Nobody gets to keep it. It's where 425 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: tax exempt, nonprofit. Give it, give it all away. So, Um, 426 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: I I don't want them on my team. Um, there's 427 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. I just said to this player, 428 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: I said, can you imagine Justin Thomas or Jordan speak 429 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: one those guys on their team? No, they're supporting the 430 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: PGA tour. That these guys aren't and are suing them. 431 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: I don't see it happening. I mean it's an interesting 432 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: there's just really quick just to follow and then the floor. 433 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: The floor is yours, um, but you know, I've been 434 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: to some of these live events. In fact, I think 435 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: me and Bob Harrig are the only reports have been 436 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to all three so far because I'm it's a big 437 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: story and I'm trying to understand it. and Um, for 438 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: the live golfers it's a business decision and for the 439 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: tour players it's very personal. There's a big divide here 440 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: and I guess I'm trying to understand because certainly there's 441 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: plenty of PG tour members, and you mentioned rory before. 442 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: He's played on multiple tours and he's he's gone to 443 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: China and he's taken appearance fees and there's there's plenty 444 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: of golfers who have tour membership still who have played 445 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: all around the world on different tours. And the live 446 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: guy is that's their point is this is just another 447 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: global tour and I don't I don't understand why everyone's 448 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: so mad at us and why we're essentially being persecuted. 449 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Now that's my word not there's but I'm interpreting what 450 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: they're saying and, Um, what was your response to that? 451 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: And I've said this and it obviously doesn't get out there. 452 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: They are more than welcome to go do that. There 453 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: they are. They are not independent contractors, their free agents. 454 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: They can go play. Greg Norman could have stayed in 455 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Australian played the Australian tour. You know, you can go 456 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: play the Asian tour if you want. You don't have 457 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 1: to play the PGA tour. But to put it as 458 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: simply as I can is they want to play fourteen 459 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: live events next year and they want to come and 460 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: play four or five million dollar events on the PGA tour. 461 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: That's what they want to do. That that doesn't work. 462 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: You have to play events on our tour to be 463 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: a member, to have access to the players chieved. How 464 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: do you just go look up? How how you getting 465 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: the players team and hip on the Fedex all these 466 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: other things to get in the field right? Well, if 467 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: you'RE gonna go play somewhere else, you you don't qualify 468 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: for the Players Championship. But that's what they're asking for. 469 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: So they're free. They signed up at the beginning of 470 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: this year. We joined the PGA tour every every year 471 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: we joined the PGA of America. Every year we pay 472 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: our dues. They signed up to play under these rules. 473 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: And the simple example is if I didn't commit by 474 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: Friday last week, I can't play this week in the 475 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: window championship. Right. What if I say like Phil Nicholson, 476 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm a hall of Famer and I'm a 477 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: life member. I just decided on Tuesday I want to play, 478 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: you have to let me play. Well, no, you, you 479 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: broke the rule. You you didn't commit last week and 480 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: if you don't play fifteen you don't get your retirement plan. 481 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: And if will Zalaturus was a non member, right, remember 482 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: the crazy year he had. We had to keep a 483 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: list on the Ryder Cup, the Salatorus list, because he 484 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: wasn't making points, but he was going to end up 485 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: eligible to play and we could have picked him but 486 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: he didn't have any points because he was not a member. 487 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: That's the issues that you join a league and you 488 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: have to play by the rules. Or if Roy mclroy's 489 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: playing the European tour and he qualifies for the player's Championship, 490 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: he can play right or for the PGA championship or 491 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: the US Open off of his but the lift tour 492 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: doesn't have any access because they're not playing real golf tournaments. 493 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: They're not getting more ranking points so that at every 494 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: term the Arnold Palmer has a different access than the 495 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: memorial right. So those guys don't fit any of the 496 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: categories that they want to play in. Right now, you 497 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? They yes, I do. Certainly there's 498 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: there's lots of rules. I guess that the next question is, 499 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: do the rules as are constructed now makes sense? Are 500 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: they sacristaying where we could change the rules to find 501 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: a way another great point, you know, to make this 502 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: work and reunify the game. So you can't. You can 503 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: change the rules. Um, we change the rules for Sevy, 504 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: Bernard Um Monty, that that crew, to make it easier 505 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: for them, for European players, to get on access to 506 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: the tour. We lowered it. I want to I want 507 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: to say it was twenty and then it was eighteen 508 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: and then it was fifteen minimum. Um, we because of 509 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: the world golf championships, that kind of thing. We said, 510 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: all right, you can play, we'll count the world golf 511 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: championships will count the majors and then you'll get to 512 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: your fifteen a lot easier. Um, yes, the rules can change, 513 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: and that's what the point of this whole thing is. 514 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: We can change the rules however what we want. Well, 515 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: if a hundred and fifty voting members decide we want 516 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: to box the live golfers out forever, then you might 517 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: be collusion or anti trust. But the players making the rules. Now. Um, 518 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: we just changed access to the Arnold Palmer, the tiger 519 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: woods the memorial and gave them three year exemption rather 520 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: than the two years we made. The players made those rules, 521 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: we voted on them. So yes, we can change them 522 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: however we want. But we're looking at selling to fedex 523 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: a six sixty million dollar ten year package. We're in 524 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: the middle of right. We sold it to them. They 525 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: were assuming that they were gonna have Dustin Johnson and 526 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: those kind of type players weren't gonna go anywhere else. Well, 527 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: those guys went somewhere else. So if I'm Fedex, I'm 528 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: going we'll wait a minute. I'm not getting the same product. 529 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: They're hurting our business, so they can't come back and 530 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: charity pick our business, since they're hurting our business. And 531 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of semantics, but Roy, mclroy, it's 532 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: worked out for him and Sergio Garcia and Paul Casey 533 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: and name some others. Um that they play both tours 534 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: and they play the Ryder Cup. When they play that, 535 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: they rory wins the Fedex cup twice. You know, it's 536 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the system works. If you're a great player in Europe 537 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: and you want to play both tours, Luke Donald, it works. Um, 538 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: it can always get better. The world rankings can always 539 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: get better. Um, I don't like the new fall schedule 540 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: of going forward in my tournaments in the fall. Um, 541 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: I hope that gets better, but I'm gonna work within 542 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: the tour. I'M NOT gonna sell it to live. You know. 543 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work within the tour to make my tournament 544 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: fit and give money to charity and be a PGA 545 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: tour event. Davis, I'd love to get your take on 546 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Reed and this whole thing. The UH, the Phil 547 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: Tiger divide has never been greater. When Patrick Reed was 548 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: coming up on tour and he was Monday qualifying into 549 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: these things. Is wearning the rich shirt and the black 550 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: trousers on Sunday and sort of hanging on everything that 551 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: that tiger was doing. He was very much a tiger 552 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: accolite and tiger picked him for his President's Cup team 553 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: in Melbourne. Um, the week before he had what I 554 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: would call a flat out cheating episode right there on 555 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: TV for anybody to see. UH, tiger could have buried him. 556 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: Of course he couldn't really, because he was gonna be 557 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: on his team the next the next week. I'm just wondering, 558 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: with this long preamble, I would have thought that Patrick read, 559 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, Captain America on these Rider Cup teams and 560 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: all the rest and so much of tiger. I would 561 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: have thought he would have been lockstep with tiger. Um. 562 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: So he's actually a little surprised to see him go 563 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: um and it's kind of realized. It makes you realize 564 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: that you know the people that you think you know 565 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: you don't know. But Anyway, I just wondered what is 566 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: your take on Patrick Reid's relationship with tiger and Patrick 567 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: read going down this path that he's going? Well, the 568 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: thing is that most of what I've heard from talked 569 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: to a few of them and heard about some of them. 570 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't ask Tiger Woods or veteran players. 571 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? They didn't ask Um, 572 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: the people that you and I would ask their opinion 573 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: of Um. What do you think ought to do in 574 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: this situation? You know, they really just they took the 575 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: money and what you have to understand is from their side, 576 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: the people that are paying them the money are telling 577 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: them there's no way you can lose in court, there's 578 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: no way they can keep you from playing, there's no 579 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: way the masters is going to say you can't come 580 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: to the past champions dinner, Um, and maybe you won't 581 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: even get to play. Um. They're being fed so much stuff, 582 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: but it sounds really good. If you're offered ten or 583 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: twenty or thirty or a hundred million dollars, you're starting 584 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: to believe them. But Um, you know, Patrick Reed, Um 585 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: Captain America loves, you know, loves the Ryder Cup, loves 586 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: the President's Cup, fired up about it. Bubba Watson has 587 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: said it publicly. My my dream is to be a 588 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup captain and be in the hall of fame. 589 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: They have been told for a year at two player meetings, 590 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: if you joined this league you are jeopardizing your chance 591 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: to play on the PGA tour to play in the 592 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: Presence Cup, you could lose your status on the PGA tour. 593 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: Therefore you would not be eligible for the Ryder Cup. 594 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: They knew all this going in and willingly took the 595 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: money and left and now are suing us because they 596 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: don't no. We explained to you. So I don't know. 597 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: I was in a lot of team rooms with Patrick 598 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: Reid and Bubba Watson and guys like that. Phil Nickolson. 599 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: This is the best week of my life. You know, 600 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: this great experience. I love you. Guys teary eyed and 601 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: you just think, like Max Homma said, somebody bought their dream. 602 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's unfortunate, but every one of those guys, 603 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know Patrick that well, you know Charles Howell, okay, 604 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: he's just past six PGA tour starts. Um, he's looking 605 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: like he's wearing down, tired of the of the battle, 606 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: even though he's still is one of the best drivers 607 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: of a golf ball I've ever seen. But Charles sees 608 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: a way to cash out to right. Notice that he's 609 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: not on the lawsuit. He's not named. Charles, I think 610 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: just wants the money and let me go away. Um, 611 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: whereas you know, Hudson Swofford is suing because if he 612 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: doesn't sue and live blows up, he's got nowhere to 613 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: play golf. He's he's going to get banned. So everybody 614 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: has a different reason, but that reason, Um, they have 615 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: a different reason that they took the money. They're just 616 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: taking the money. And let's just be honest. You know, 617 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson found a number that he's willing to not 618 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: be a ryder cut captain or or not get maybe 619 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: not get invited back to the masters. You know, there's 620 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty million and Bryson is the same thing, um. 621 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: But they're they're also being told that there's a chance 622 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: that we're gonna win in court and you guys can 623 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: go right back to it. I kind of just follow 624 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: up on that for one Christian Davison, never had a 625 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: chance to ask this before two of the most famous 626 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: patrick great episodes. I think that Dur was way too 627 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: soft on him, the one in San Diego and the one, 628 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: and you know, in the Bahamas. I'm just wondering what, 629 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: without going to the INS and out, so what actually happened? 630 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering about your overall uh take on those 631 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: two events. Well, if, Um, if you keep having to 632 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: explain it and not apologize for it but defend it, 633 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: then you probably broke the rule. and where they're smoke, 634 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: there's fired, it isn't those aren't the only two instances. 635 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: You know, he came to the tour with a reputation 636 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: Um like that. And you know, really good golf people 637 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: tend to to give you a pass on your your 638 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: attitude or your demeanor or or your honesty if you're 639 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: a really good golfer. And I think, Um, I think 640 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: he got a he gotta pass. You know, sometimes the 641 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: rules officials, Um, the tour doesn't stand up enough. You know, UM, 642 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: obviously they're standing up against this lift thing pretty hard. 643 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: But you know, people bring up the VJ Singh things. Why? 644 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: Why didn't the tour ban him? You know, he sued 645 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: the Tour for defamation of character. Um, there there's a 646 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things where we could have 647 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: stood up a little stronger, and maybe maybe the Patrick 648 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: Reed thing was one of them. But Um, you know, 649 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: basically you would have had to pull him aside and 650 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: say you're you're lying, we know you're cheating, you're kicked 651 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: off the tour. That was their other option, you know, 652 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: or just you know, intent and all those things that 653 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: go into making a ruling. Sometimes it's hard for somebody 654 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: to pull a trigger like that. But you know, if 655 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: I here's the here's the simple answer. If I was 656 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: playing with him, I'd watch him. You know, I'd be expected. 657 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: Red Norman was watching cucumber. You know. Um, yeah, that's yeah, 658 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: he thought something. He was watching him. That's well said. 659 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: Listening to you talk about the Wryder Cup and the 660 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: present's cup, I mean, doesn't make you worry about the 661 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: future of those two competitions, Davis, because uh, certainly the 662 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: International Presence Cup team is is taking a big hit 663 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: here and Um, you're losing a answer and various other players. 664 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: And if if Aidecki goes, has been discussed, if Cam 665 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: Smith Goes, has been discussed, that that really uh is 666 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: going to weaken that international team especially. Uh. And then 667 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, an entire generation of European captains are potentially 668 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: off the table. I mean we all know Ian Polterwould 669 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: in an all time great captain, Sergio would been a 670 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: great captain, Lee Westwood, Um, you know, you're uh, you're 671 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: losing a lot of personality from both of these cups. 672 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: Like we do, worry about about their future, at least 673 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: in the short term. Yeah, and the reason I agreed 674 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: to do the podcast with you guys, and Michael and 675 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I have a very, very long relationship, but I knew 676 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: both of you would ask great questions, and that's another 677 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: great question. Um, I don't know what's gonna Happen. I'm 678 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: worried about what's gonna happen. That's why you see me, 679 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, get a little bit mad and emotional in 680 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: a golf channel interview yesterday because it's become a fight. So, 681 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: a year ago, if we had done this, my tournament 682 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: office asked me, what's going on with this, this live thing? 683 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,479 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, don't worry about it. Six months 684 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: ago and Jay Monahan and are talking about Phil Mickelson 685 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: and he's asking me for his help, for my help 686 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: on a couple of other things. I said, Jay, you're panicking. 687 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: You know this is not going to get off the ground. 688 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen this movie before. Michael probably heard 689 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: me use that line. Um, we've seen this movie before 690 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: in ninety four. It's not gonna happen. The players, players 691 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: don't want to leave the PGA tour. Um. So, unfortunately 692 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: I was wrong. Um, I misjudged the market. Um, I 693 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: misjudged I didn't realize the depth of the money that 694 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: would be thrown at something that doesn't really have a 695 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: chance to make any money. So I'm I am worried. 696 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen next. These players 697 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: keep coming to me and I go, I don't know. 698 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: I said, here's what's happening behind the scenes and here's 699 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: what the tour is doing, but I don't know what 700 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: the outcomes can be. You know, you take it to 701 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: a court in San Francisco, you don't know what what 702 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna do, how are they're going to rule? I 703 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: am I'm a worried, but I'm confident because Jay and 704 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: Tiger and rory and and a great group of people 705 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: are are pouring a lot of effort into trying to 706 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: figure out how to how to move forward in any scenario. 707 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: Just real quick because, Um, I was talking to a 708 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: lawyer this morning about this. It's San Francisco is a 709 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: very strategic choice because California is very pro employee, whereas 710 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: if you file in Florida, that has history being very 711 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: pro employeer, and so that was not an accident. They 712 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: chose that particular venue. And you know that when when 713 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: you look at when you look at the lawyers involved 714 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: in this case, it is a WHO's who of white 715 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: shoe law firms and UH, some of the guys that 716 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: live is signed up are known as bare knuckle brawlers 717 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: and Um, so, talking to some folks on the legal 718 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: field like they they see this as as a as a, 719 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: as a real battle. I just want to make that 720 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: point because there's been some confusion about why was it 721 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: a federal court in San Francisco? Well, there there's an 722 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: answer to that. Oh Yeah, you know, their lawyers say 723 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: that they're gonna win and our lawyers say I'm gonna win. 724 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: So my argument to Hudson Swofford or a Taylor Gooch was, okay, 725 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: let's just give it a fifty fifty. You got a 726 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: chance that the tour is gonna win. The tour will 727 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: uphold their rules and you not only broke some rules, 728 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: then you sue the tour and you lost and you 729 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: could be banned for life. Is it worth a fifty 730 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: chance for some money? And that's I promise you. Those 731 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: guys understood of that. Um, a lot of a lot 732 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: of these players understood that they were taking a chance 733 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: and that they were going to have to sue to 734 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: get what had already been given to them. So, yeah, 735 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: it's it's they have good strategy where they're going. But, 736 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, Ed Hurley is a really famous lawyer. He's 737 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: a chairman of our board, the PGA tour. Um, he's 738 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: very confident, you know. Um, he's not saying let's be 739 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: careful here. You know, they're ready to go. I mean 740 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: as soon as as soon as they filed it, you know, 741 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: it was game on, Um, and that's unfortunate that we're 742 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna be an a legal battle when we should be 743 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, who's moving up the Fedex Cup 744 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: points list and, Um, and as Dustin Johnson gonna make 745 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: the President's Cup team. That's what I'm worried about. To 746 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: answer your question, Luke Donald just took over. What's he, 747 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: he and Zack Johnson, gonna be doing the next year? 748 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, somebody, somebody yelled across the putting green to 749 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: me a couple of weeks ago said bet you're glad 750 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: you're not on the board now, and I said yeah, 751 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: but you're glad you're not Presidents Cup captain. And but 752 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm honored to be the captain and maybe 753 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: in this time when I have Steve Stricker and Fred 754 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: couples and Zack Johnson. Now we added Web Simpson, but 755 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: we have upstanding citizens in the game of my assistant captains. 756 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: We can all speak for the PGA tour and we 757 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: can protect our team. Tiger told me that last night. 758 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: What I said, what can I do here is you 759 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,439 Speaker 1: protect to your team right now, and that's my job, 760 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: is to get them ready to play and protect them 761 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: from the outside so they can go play golf, because 762 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: we want to win in Charlotte. You know, there's guys 763 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: right now out there shooting it up sedge field country 764 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: club trying to win the Windham and the game goes 765 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: on even though there's a legal battle behind the scene. 766 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: So I have to I have to make my pairings 767 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: and my picks and all these things over the next 768 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,959 Speaker 1: month and you ready, so the guys that do show 769 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: up and play have the best chance to win. Davis, 770 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: I know you can't know the answer to this question, 771 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: but I am interested in and I think our listeners 772 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: will be very interested in your opinion. What do you 773 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: think the endgame for the Sawdise is here? Because, as 774 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: you just said, there's no money you'd be made here. 775 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: So what are they actually the house of sad what 776 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: are they actually trying to achieve? Well, what what I 777 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: hear is, you know, like Um other countries over there, 778 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: eventually they're going to run out of oil. They're they're 779 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: creating a new economy. They're into Formula One, they're into 780 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: horse racing, UM, soccer clubs. Um. There their destination, you know, 781 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: tourist destination. Now, UM, they're trying to Um create an 782 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: alternate economy other than just being oil rich. Um there 783 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: there is. There is a model that you know, these teams, 784 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: they say, are going to be so valuable, the NIBLICKS 785 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: and whatever, they're gonna be so valuable that there will 786 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 1: be hundreds of millions of dollars of sponsorships to sponsor 787 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson's team, Brooks kept his team, and that's what 788 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: those guys are doing. The guys that have been paid 789 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: the big money are also getting a cut of the action, 790 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: and that was Arnold Palmer's point back Jack and I 791 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: could have taken a cut of the action when this 792 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: whole tour thing started and we didn't do it. So 793 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: those guys are trying to get a cut of the 794 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: team money. And then there's gambling, and that's where, you know, 795 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: every sport right now is getting an influx of of 796 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: sponsorship dollars from gambling. So they see that as well. 797 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: You'RE gonna bet that this team is gonna win today, 798 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: this team is gonna win for the week. Um, it's 799 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: they're they're not. Um, they're not a bunch of fly 800 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: by nine guys. There's a bunch of smart people working 801 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: on us. Unfortunately, their goal is to tear down the 802 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: PGA tour so they can get what they want, so 803 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: they can make up bunch of money. Um, they have 804 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: to be sitting there where a plan to make money 805 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: down the road. You and I look at it like 806 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: they just gave this guy a hundred million and that 807 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: guy million. How could they ever make money that way? Um, 808 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: and play for million a week, but they think they're 809 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: going to make money. Um. You know, then they call 810 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: it sports washing PR move. Well, that's not working in 811 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: the United States. I don't know if it's working around 812 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,359 Speaker 1: the world. So I don't know what they're in game 813 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: is there's so many unknowns and that's why Alan's questions 814 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: so good. What's going to happen to the Ryder Cup, 815 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: in the Presence Cup? What's gonna Happen to the PGA tour? Um, 816 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. But the thing is a a player 817 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: in the hall of fame of Golf, is the one 818 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: that's creating the uncertainty and that's what's so back to 819 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: your question earlier, Michael, if Greg wasn't involved, would it 820 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: be any different? Yeah, it would be hugely different if 821 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: there wasn't. A lot of people love Greg Norman or 822 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: Greg Norman fans, and he's famous, he's in the hall 823 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,879 Speaker 1: of fame. They take what he says is oh well, yeah, 824 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: the tours of monopoly. That's unfair. How can it be 825 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: a monopoly? You know, you don't have to play it. 826 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: You can go play. Rory mclroy could have played the 827 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: European tour. Never come over here. It's not a monopoly. 828 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,959 Speaker 1: We don't have the only place to play professional golf. 829 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: We have the best place, but we don't the only place. Um. 830 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: So Anyway, Um, I don't know where it's going, Um, 831 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 1: but I am committed. Um, like like I think Jay 832 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: Monahan is to die on the hill Um and try 833 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: to save Um, not professional golf, but PGA Tour Golf. Um. 834 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: What is it supposed to be? A feeder tour to 835 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: the live tour down the road? You know that's the 836 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: end game. I don't know. We didn't understand the nine. 837 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: Where does your next forty guys come from? You know 838 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: that's a really I know you got a questionnaire. I'll 839 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: make this real quick. That's a really good point. And this, 840 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: this is kind of subtle, but not really, and I 841 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: don't know why more people aren't talking about the ultimate 842 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: beauty of the PJ tour is if you if you 843 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: have a bunch of players playing by the rules. That's 844 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: the starting point. You have to trust the scores. It 845 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: is the ultimate meritocracy, no matter how much of an 846 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: asshole you may be. If the scores are the scores, 847 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: you've played your way under the PGA tour. The live 848 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: thing is a cherry picking invitational. We like you, we 849 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: like your personality. You fit our demographic. That's not the 850 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: tradition of professional golf and I think I'm surprised that 851 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: story hasn't been been told. And here's the about here's 852 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: the thing about their tournaments. They have every right to 853 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do format. They go play 854 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: whatever they want. Fred couples and I want World Cups 855 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: where we were paid by sponsors to play in the 856 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: World Cup. Right now. We grounded out and we won 857 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,959 Speaker 1: four of them in a row, but it wasn't made 858 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: for TV. Event that Fred and I were paid to 859 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: play in. Right Um, the target world challenge put on 860 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: by Tiger Woods at Um, at Sheerwood. I want it twice. 861 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 1: Only beat like twelve guys and I want a million dollars. 862 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: Did I get any world ranking points for that or 863 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: does that show up in my PGA tour? I need 864 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: to know because it's not a real tournament. We were 865 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: just playing in Capitalua, Mark Roffing, God bless Mark Rofing. Um, 866 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:37,760 Speaker 1: I played in twenty, maybe more, mark rofing silly season events. 867 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: They were great on TV and I want a lot 868 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: of money, but they're not. They were not counted in 869 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: my twenty one tour wins. Right. So there's not a 870 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: there's not a problem with what they're doing, but you 871 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: can't do that fourteen times a year and then come 872 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: back and play three or four of the best termis 873 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: on the PGA tour just because you say it's not 874 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: fair if I don't get to do that. If they 875 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: played on the Asian tour and earn their way on 876 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,359 Speaker 1: the PGA tour, that the DP world tour, they could 877 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: come play, but they're they're not wanting to play on 878 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: those tours either. They're not going to be a member 879 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 1: of the tour. They just think, and this is where 880 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: Greg's arrogance or confidence, he thinks that the top players 881 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: should be able to do whatever they want and not 882 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: play by any of anybody else's rules. Live tour has rules. 883 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: They have a lot of them. I've heard and and 884 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: people have dove into the country. They have a lot 885 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: of rules. You can't just do whatever you want to 886 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: play six a year. You have to play. You're under contract. 887 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: That's what they are, contracted players of another organization and 888 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 1: they can't be a member of the PGA tour for 889 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: four weeks a year and be a member of that 890 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: organization or the you can't be a member of the 891 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: the European tour and just pop over here and play 892 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,919 Speaker 1: any tournament you want to play. You have to play 893 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: by the rules to get in the events. So Um again. 894 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where it's all gonna go, 895 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: but it's Um Davis, what would be your advice to 896 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: Fred Ridley? Um, what? What would you he's got. What 897 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: would be? I would say the same thing. Boy, you 898 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: wouln't want to be the chairman of Augusta National Right now, 899 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: would Um? I don't know. So here's the thing that 900 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: the masters has moved on from Arnold Palmer playing Jack 901 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: Nicholas playing Um. You gotta, you gotta think. What what 902 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: do I want to do for the future? You know 903 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Um. You know they've got got a few guys, 904 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: Patrick Reed, past champions. Do you just say, all right, 905 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let them play and maybe they're not invited 906 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: to the past champions dinner because nobody wants them in 907 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: the room? And then past that, we're gonna Change Our 908 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: qualifying system and anybody that's a member of that tour 909 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: is gonna have a really hard time getting in. You know, 910 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: the old days used to have to win a P G, 911 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,279 Speaker 1: a tour event to get into the masters right, and 912 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: then they changed it to top fifty world rankings. You 913 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: can finish in the top ten of the US Open 914 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,279 Speaker 1: or top six in the P G A. Maybe the 915 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: masters just changes again. It says if, if, unless you 916 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: win one of these group of tournaments, you're not in 917 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: the masters, and then we have the right to invite 918 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: whoever we want, like they always have. They're in the 919 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,759 Speaker 1: best position, because some of my friends say, well, the 920 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: majors hold all the cards, Augusta holds their cards and 921 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: they're all aces. They can do whatever they want. And so, 922 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: Fred I would say look at your past chairman, the 923 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: way they've handled things that have come up, and you 924 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: just make your decision, like Augusta national always has, for 925 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,359 Speaker 1: the good of the game, and they'll come out on top. 926 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: You know what happened with Martha Burke. She said, we're protesting, 927 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: we're gonna take protests your sponsors. They went fine, we 928 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: won't have sponsors. What happened in Covid they said, well, 929 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: you can't play without fans or corporate sponsors be there. Oh, yeah, 930 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: we can't. We're just we're just playing November two. What do? 931 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 1: Whatever we want. They're in a great position. You just 932 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: opened and the and the open championship are in a 933 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: tough position because they are open to qualifying. So Martin slumbers. 934 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: I think handled he might have had the best press 935 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: conferences of anybody on this live thing. He just said 936 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: we were going to reserve the right to change our 937 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: qualifying systems down the road and we don't think it's 938 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: right for the game and these guys aren't invited to 939 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,959 Speaker 1: the past champions dinner. Um, and these guys are gonna 940 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 1: get bad tea times. So he handled it extremely well. Um. 941 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: You know, world ranking points is a whole another issue. Um. 942 00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: But I think because of Tim Finchham's tenure and now Jay, 943 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: the golf organizations before this work together, moving in the 944 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: same direction better than they ever have. You know, like 945 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: I said, I've been in five terms on the board. 946 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: That's nineteen years sitting in there in boarding board, listening 947 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,959 Speaker 1: to meetings. Um, when I was last on the board, 948 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,479 Speaker 1: when Jay Monahan was hired, the golf organizations were never 949 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,760 Speaker 1: in a better place moving in the same direction. Obviously, 950 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: Fred Ridley at Augusta National Seth while at the Pja 951 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 1: of American and Jay Monahan are lifelong friends from the 952 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: game of golf. Um, and then Mike when you know, 953 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: had been at the L P G A. Um. They 954 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: all know each other very well. And they're all moving 955 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: in the same direction. I see that continuing on. Um, 956 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: you know, they can't come out and say what they're 957 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,760 Speaker 1: doing right now because you know they're in the legal battles. 958 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: But Um, I feel confident that the majors will will 959 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: each make their own decisions and make them correctly, because 960 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: I I really trust the leadership of all those organizations 961 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: right now. But see for me, I don't think in 962 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: some ways this is not the major's battle. Like this 963 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: is a turf war between competing tours and each of 964 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: those organizations, the RNA and the U S G A, 965 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: and they get the spotlight one week a year and 966 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: they want to have the best possible terment they can 967 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: have with their past champions, with all the top players. 968 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean for them to set up any rules that 969 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: would carve out and they'd be missing twenty of the 970 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: top fifty players, or whatever the math turns out to be, 971 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: or Um x number hall of famers or Major Championship winners. Um, 972 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: to me that devalues the major championships because then you 973 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: haven't beaten all the all the players. You're right. That's 974 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: why I think. I think what I would do to 975 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: answer Michael's question and your point. If I was Mike 976 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,280 Speaker 1: when I'll just say, Hey, if you've got an current 977 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: exemption as a pass champion or world ranking points, we're 978 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,319 Speaker 1: gonna include you in the field. But here's where our 979 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: rules are now going forward. And if you win twenty 980 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: live events, you're you're not going to get in. But 981 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 1: if if you finish high in the PGA championship, you 982 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: can get in the US Open. Or if you finish 983 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: high the Fedex points, you win a PGA tour event 984 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 1: or two PGA tour events, you're in. You know what 985 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean? I think, Um, you can include the guys 986 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: that are major champions now, but you don't have to 987 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 1: say that Chase Kepka got on a roll and won 988 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 1: five live events in the season and now now he's 989 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: he has to be in the U S Open. You 990 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Are The masters? Yeah, but where 991 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: where do you fall on the world ranking question? Because, 992 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned Tiger's tournament. You didn't get points 993 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: for those wins, but now there's only twenty guys at 994 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: Tiger's tournament and you get points. And Yeah, they play 995 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,240 Speaker 1: saving two holes, but you only have to beat nineteen dudes, Um, 996 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: and it's off season. A lot of mark trying it 997 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: very hard. So, Um, I mean, do you see a 998 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: scenario where where live golf does get world ranking points? 999 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: Because then that that that's gonna make the major question 1000 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: take care of itself. Yeah, I was on the board 1001 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: too on the on the tiger ternament thing and that 1002 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: was that was contentious. But they they adapted, they added 1003 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: to the field. Um, you know, used to be less players. Um. 1004 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, that one um is an anomaly and I'm 1005 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: sure if we're in court that would come up. But 1006 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: the live tour has several issues. You know, you can't. 1007 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 1: You have to be on a tour where you can 1008 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: play your way onto and play your way off. Of 1009 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: to Michael's point, it's an invitational group. Um, they're not 1010 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: qualifying for the live tour. so that throws them out. Um, no, 1011 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: cut throws them out. There's a whole bunch of reasons 1012 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: that they don't fit the model. For what ranking points? 1013 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: And what they don't tell you publicly is they they 1014 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 1: file an application. What was it July six or something. 1015 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: They are on a year probation period to watch how 1016 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 1: their tour runs before they could ever be even if 1017 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 1: they fit the system. They were. They're ineligible for points 1018 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: for a year. So we're all the way to, you know, 1019 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: pass the masters Um for July of next year. Before 1020 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 1: they get they get a vote on whether they're going 1021 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: to get them or not. So those guys right now 1022 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: are not getting points no matter what, for a whole year. 1023 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: So Um, yes, the world ranking points can can solve 1024 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot for the for the major championships, Um, and 1025 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: for the PGA tour. But every organization has a vote 1026 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: and I'm a Betton Guy. You could. You could recuse 1027 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: Um j Monahan. Why I don't I don't know, but 1028 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: you could recuse him and you still get the majority, 1029 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 1: if not every one, of them voting against it right now. Um, 1030 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: just based on what they've said publicly. So Um, that 1031 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of hands being held 1032 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: of cards in the that that that deck of that 1033 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,440 Speaker 1: that Um dealt hand to the to the world ranking points, 1034 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,840 Speaker 1: is a problem. That's why Greg Norman keeps bringing it up, Um, 1035 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: and he'll sue over that as well. Um, he'll sue 1036 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,480 Speaker 1: for collision and well, but why not, before you file 1037 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: your application? Why don't you go to seventy two holes 1038 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 1: in a in a thirty six whole cut and get 1039 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: enough players in your tournament where it fits the criteria, 1040 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 1: or at least close. They don't even come close now. Um. 1041 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 1: And those criteria were made up years ago, not. They 1042 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't just get made up because of the lift towards 1043 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 1: they've they've been around for a long time. So, Um, 1044 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: so some, some, many tour series can't come and ask 1045 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: for world ranking point. The corn ferry tour should get 1046 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 1: more world ranking points than anybody other than the PGA tour, 1047 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: and they don't. So Um, that one. That one won't 1048 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,120 Speaker 1: stick either again, unless you file in San Francisco and 1049 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,560 Speaker 1: get the right to get the right judge. I mean, 1050 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I was interested when you said earlier that you know 1051 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: this is a hill that you're willing to die on, 1052 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: and same with J Monahan. I'm just wondering, is there 1053 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: any scenario where there could be a compromise dictated by 1054 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: the courts, or or maybe a change in leadership at 1055 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: at live and or the PGA tour, where you say, okay, 1056 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't suit the game to have to split up 1057 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: the star power and split up the sponsors and the fans, 1058 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: like let's let's bring let's bring this sport back together 1059 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 1: and like these fall events that the tours now cooked up. 1060 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: You know, if, if those fly under the banner of 1061 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Live Golf, it's co sanctioned, just like you have co 1062 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,800 Speaker 1: actually between the PGA tour and the European tour. Um. 1063 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: Is there any way that that this, this could be 1064 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: made to work? or Um, and it would probably, you know, 1065 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: by by Villainizing uh live. It gets harder to compromise. 1066 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: I recognize that. But again, if, if, maybe, if, if, 1067 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 1: if Monahan took a graceful exit, or and or Norman like, 1068 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: could we put this back together somehow? Well, Monahan, Monahan 1069 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 1: works for the players. So the players can hire or 1070 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: fire the commissioner. Um, I get a hundred and forty 1071 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,280 Speaker 1: guys together and we all say to the four player 1072 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:45,960 Speaker 1: directors we want the commissioner fired. Um, it will happen. Um. 1073 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: So I think Jays is very, very safe. Um. That 1074 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: goes back to Michael's original question about if it wasn't 1075 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: the saladies back in it, if it wasn't Greg Norman 1076 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:03,320 Speaker 1: back in it, could you work out? Well, Um, the 1077 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,919 Speaker 1: the political thing is a tough one because again, there's 1078 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of companies in the United States to sponsor 1079 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,000 Speaker 1: PGA tour events that do business with the Saudies. Right, 1080 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 1: so maybe that could work out. The US government does 1081 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 1: business with the Saudies. You know, the people that are 1082 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 1: investigating us do business with the Saudis. I don't have 1083 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 1: a problem with, Um, with going down that road to 1084 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: a certain extent. You know, Greg Norman is just caustic. 1085 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe, Um. But yes, let's just talk about golf. 1086 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Leave out the Saudies, leave out Greg Norman. Yes, there 1087 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: can be a solution and that's I think Jay has 1088 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: enough forgiveness and Um grace and his personality and in 1089 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: his heart that he doesn't want a rift. He would 1090 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: love to figure out a way. So yes, if it 1091 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: wasn't the week before the major championships, if it wasn't 1092 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,040 Speaker 1: up against the core PGA tour season, it could work. 1093 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: You could move our eight million dollar tournaments around and 1094 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: move their million dollar tournaments around and not require that 1095 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: they play every one of their fourteen, or we not 1096 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: require you have to play fifteen over here. Things can change, yes, Um, 1097 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 1: but the way they chose to do it, Um, and 1098 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: the and the people behind it have caused it to 1099 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: be a fight. So, Um, you know you guy, Michael 1100 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: knows me Verymo you know me a little. I want 1101 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: everybody to get along and be happy and and let's 1102 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: all turn out. Several players have said, well, maybe you 1103 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 1: ought to be the commissioner. I got no, I'm not 1104 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: smart enough to understand all the TV deals and how 1105 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,800 Speaker 1: to get on my ipad on the on the call Um. 1106 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough. I just know that I want 1107 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,200 Speaker 1: to be one of the people that give is an 1108 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: opinion and tries to help make it work out. But 1109 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Trust me, there are veteran top players. Roy's out front, 1110 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,320 Speaker 1: but there are veteran top players that are doing that 1111 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: right now with the commissioner, with the golf organizations. Hey, 1112 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,960 Speaker 1: let's figure something out that will work for the PGA 1113 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: tour to protect it and not lose any more guys. 1114 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,440 Speaker 1: So yes, there's again. I don't know what's going to happen. 1115 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,160 Speaker 1: I just know that my little golf tournament in the 1116 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 1: fall series which, however it turns out, gives a lot 1117 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,560 Speaker 1: of money to charity and gives a lot of playing 1118 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,280 Speaker 1: opportunities to guys from fifty to the money list. That's 1119 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,480 Speaker 1: my job, is to create playing opportunities and look at 1120 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,400 Speaker 1: look at a lot of the players that have won 1121 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: one our tournaments their first win or Charles how a 1122 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,080 Speaker 1: late career win. Um, it's it's been a great tournament 1123 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 1: and Tiger's got the biggest tournament on the West Coast 1124 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,320 Speaker 1: at Riviera and he's doing a great thing for the 1125 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 1: top players and given guys like Max home away to 1126 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,040 Speaker 1: become famous and he's doing a ton of work for charity. 1127 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,200 Speaker 1: We want to protect that and we will defend that 1128 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,440 Speaker 1: because live, no matter who's running it, they want to 1129 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,520 Speaker 1: tear down the PGA tour structure and that's what people 1130 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: need to understand. They don't want to coexist. Um, a 1131 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 1: lot of players. Well, I think to that point, what 1132 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean we've already seen. If you think about the 1133 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,920 Speaker 1: Tuesday night dinner the Champions Center at the masters, you 1134 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: know it was the untouchable of untouchables. The chairman is 1135 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: only there by invitation of the past champions. Well, the 1136 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: salty money has already completely infiltrated the sanctum sanctorum of 1137 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: all cluby dinners, the champions inner, because then you got 1138 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Bubba Watson, Pat Read, Sergio Phil and Dustin all in 1139 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,040 Speaker 1: their little group and you've got Big Jack and Gary Player, 1140 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: he might as all sit with him too. And then 1141 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Big Jack, we don't know really where he sits. You 1142 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,440 Speaker 1: got all because the Saudi money has poured into the game. Meanwhile, 1143 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm started to get emotional here, but in our lifetime 1144 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: we have and probably our parents and probably generations, that 1145 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,360 Speaker 1: we have never had a U S president like Donald 1146 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,920 Speaker 1: Trump who, no matter what you think of him politically, 1147 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: would not even commit to the peaceful trans or power. 1148 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,840 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a game where our game, this 1149 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: game that we, you know, all three of us love 1150 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and play a different levels, is committed on and Davis 1151 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,880 Speaker 1: has starked about the rules again and again here, by 1152 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: by playing by the rules. But this guy would even 1153 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,560 Speaker 1: commit to the rules of of democracy, the thing that 1154 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: we ultimately hold most sacred as possible. Now, Al and 1155 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,439 Speaker 1: I talked about this lot. I think the end game 1156 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,120 Speaker 1: for the Saudis here is something I think you know. 1157 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: Paul Casey and Ian Poulter and and every last one, 1158 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: and they are pawns in this global, global game. And Davis, 1159 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: he alluded to earlier of what the Saudis are really 1160 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,320 Speaker 1: trying to do here, and just the fact that they offered, 1161 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,920 Speaker 1: if it's true and I imagined it is seven hundred 1162 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: million dollars tiger woods. Tiger Woods can't play fourteen events 1163 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: a year. He can't play three. So that shows it. 1164 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,800 Speaker 1: This is not about money. This is like week. This 1165 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 1: is how powerful we are. We can buy Tiger Woods 1166 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and in the end they couldn't. We can buy Jack 1167 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Nicholas for, you know, a mere hundred million, hundred million 1168 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: horrors out of their out of their pockets, like it's something. 1169 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: But they could buy pat read and they could buy 1170 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Phil Michoelson and they found leverage points. But anyway, that's 1171 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 1: a worked up way of saying I'm sorry for getting 1172 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,040 Speaker 1: so worked up here. Davis, I I know you don't 1173 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 1: like to be publicly political and and this is and 1174 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,960 Speaker 1: this question isn't meant to be that, but Donald Trump, 1175 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,360 Speaker 1: he's a major figure in golf in a lot of ways. 1176 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 1: The PGA tour has said goodbye to Donald Trump. The 1177 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,560 Speaker 1: PGA of America has, you know, he's not getting invited 1178 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 1: to August national only time soon. The RNA is and 1179 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,480 Speaker 1: interested in him. But live golf has embraced this guy. 1180 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,120 Speaker 1: Two tournaments this year. I imagined the only be more 1181 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: next year. What do you think? It says a live 1182 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: golf that they have sought trump and trump has gladly 1183 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,640 Speaker 1: globbed on to well, I think, Um, you know, politics 1184 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: is involved in this a lot of ways and and 1185 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that's unfortunate because, no matter what you think, the people 1186 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,040 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump and of people don't like Donald Trump. 1187 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Of the people like this party, like that party, and 1188 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,040 Speaker 1: that is the fight that Um, that's causing a lot 1189 01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: of problems in this country. Um, divisiveness and unrest. And 1190 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:42,080 Speaker 1: now it's in Golf. And I liked listening to some 1191 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,639 Speaker 1: of the guys on Fox. But then, but but then, 1192 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:51,719 Speaker 1: now they're saying that trump's right and I don't think. 1193 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,519 Speaker 1: I don't think Donald Trump understands the difference between the 1194 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,000 Speaker 1: PG of America and the P G A tour. I 1195 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,240 Speaker 1: don't think Lindsey Graham understand and the difference between the 1196 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,800 Speaker 1: PGA of American and the PGA tour. And they're saying, well, 1197 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: these guys should just take the money. Um, I don't 1198 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,360 Speaker 1: think they really understand how the tour does business. I 1199 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,519 Speaker 1: went to Washington when the last time the tour was 1200 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,720 Speaker 1: was challenged on its Um tax exempt status. I Bet 1201 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: with a bunch of senators and Congressman Jack Nicholas wrote 1202 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of letters. Um, we had to literally explain 1203 01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: to them how our termament structure works and why we 1204 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 1: give so much money to charity and why the players 1205 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 1: can play for so much because of the system that 1206 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,320 Speaker 1: Davis love and Jack Nicholas and Tiger Woods and the 1207 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer family and the Dallas salesmanship club and the 1208 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Phoenix Sunder Birds. They own and operate these term it's 1209 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 1: not the PGA tour and they're built just to give 1210 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,200 Speaker 1: money to scarity. And if you've hurt that system, it's 1211 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 1: going to cost you money. Uh, it's gonna cost you 1212 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: tax dollars, not not make you tax dollars. Um. So 1213 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't think Donald Trump understands is that. You know, 1214 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,720 Speaker 1: he just wants his clubs to be famous, himself to 1215 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 1: be on TV, and it doesn't surprise me that that 1216 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:16,439 Speaker 1: live buys into that. But nobody's watching it doesn't really. 1217 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:22,919 Speaker 1: They're not because, UM, Donald trump was in that box. 1218 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: You see it in the news clips. But there were 1219 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 1: how many people watch Tony Fenelle win two weeks in 1220 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: a row? A lot of people watch that. Um, they 1221 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,840 Speaker 1: saw a good golf. Tony Fe hit every green. You know, 1222 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: in Detroit, Um, it was great golf and it was 1223 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: real golf and that's the influence on the game. That's 1224 01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,080 Speaker 1: good what they're doing. It was. It's just a sideshow. 1225 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,800 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Greg Norman. If Greg 1226 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,840 Speaker 1: Norman at Dal when he's beating the stew out of 1227 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,599 Speaker 1: us every year, if a guy was pouring beer out 1228 01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: of the grandstands and another guy would catching it in 1229 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,360 Speaker 1: his mouth while Greg was teeing off, or if there 1230 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,160 Speaker 1: was a cart going down the Fairway Rodney Dangerfield with 1231 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,559 Speaker 1: Loud Music Um, would Greg Norman not have lost his 1232 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,120 Speaker 1: ever living mind and sent Steve Williams to beat them up? 1233 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,400 Speaker 1: It's so fake, you know. It's just it's not and 1234 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,479 Speaker 1: the things that they say and do, it's it's not. 1235 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,479 Speaker 1: It's not golf and so not surprising that Um, any 1236 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: kind of the side show, including trump, is included in it. 1237 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Davis, did you play eighties six at Schanica hills? Yes, 1238 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, and you maybe remember there. You know, uh, 1239 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Greg Norman, fifty four old leader, and then you know, 1240 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,120 Speaker 1: the crowd started getting on him just a little bit 1241 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 1: and he had the rabbit ears of rabbit ears so 1242 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,880 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Yeah, I saw him. I 1243 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,480 Speaker 1: move a lot of photographers and a lot of volunteers 1244 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,120 Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't think if I'd have had 1245 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,559 Speaker 1: my jam box in my bag playing um when we played, 1246 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: it would have gone over very well. I would love 1247 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,080 Speaker 1: to hear your playlist, Davis. I'm fascinated. What would be 1248 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 1: on that? My Grand Davis will surprise that has made 1249 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 1: me change it to two kids bop on x m 1250 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,559 Speaker 1: when they get in my truck. It's it's it's from 1251 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Christian two Pearl Jam Radio to outlaw country and then 1252 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,800 Speaker 1: to the NASCAR channel. You know. So I have a 1253 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:37,599 Speaker 1: weird have weird presets. Now, Davis, this is a good point, 1254 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Alan may not notice, to point out that Davis has 1255 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,160 Speaker 1: been a committed hunter, s Thompson reader in his youth 1256 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,759 Speaker 1: as well. So he's got a lot of moods, Ellen, 1257 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,439 Speaker 1: and also, also, and I know, I know that Davis 1258 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,280 Speaker 1: is a no, he's a Colectic that that's why, that's 1259 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,240 Speaker 1: why he's on this podcast. As I saw. You know, 1260 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,479 Speaker 1: Davis in his two years at the University of North 1261 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 1: Carolina was an English maker. And Alan, when you said 1262 01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,439 Speaker 1: me and Bob Harrick. I saw a trific which, yeah, 1263 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 1: Bob Harrick, and I I mean it couldn't be simile. 1264 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,880 Speaker 1: I didn't get that withth Carolina. I got that with 1265 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: a wooden spoon with my mom. Well, I was yeah, okay, 1266 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to be colloquially. I wanted to make 1267 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: him field at home. Michael, my bad, I'm sorry, Um, 1268 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: but well, this is this has been a good education 1269 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: of the UH UH. You know, I feel like you're 1270 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,640 Speaker 1: speaking for the tour and you're speaking for a traditionalists 1271 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: and it's an important point of view. You know, I 1272 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,120 Speaker 1: think michaellect was it. I'm somewhere more towards the middle 1273 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,800 Speaker 1: of trying to trying to understand both sides, but it's 1274 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 1: it's valuable to hear your take on all these things, Davis. 1275 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,000 Speaker 1: I think it's good to understand both sides and it's 1276 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 1: good to have a goal of somehow all this is 1277 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,200 Speaker 1: working out. So agree with you, Um and and it is. 1278 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: It is good to go scout it. But the thing 1279 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 1: about for the business of Tours, they're stealing employees from 1280 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,840 Speaker 1: the U S G A, they're stealing Um vendors from 1281 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,600 Speaker 1: other tournaments. You know, it's it's not. Um, they're not 1282 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: doing an amicable way. Um, it's a corporate, hostile takeover 1283 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:22,599 Speaker 1: and and so that. Yes, in the end we want 1284 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,120 Speaker 1: what's what's the best line. Always good for the game. 1285 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, we want what's best for the game eventually. 1286 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,960 Speaker 1: But Um, you know, the world has changed a lot 1287 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,200 Speaker 1: since the simple times of you know, when my dad 1288 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,400 Speaker 1: played the PGA tour. My Dad was a club pro. 1289 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,920 Speaker 1: So maybe times are a changing. But Um, they threw 1290 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,240 Speaker 1: too many wrenches in there that that are hard to swallow. 1291 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: You know. Um, trevor and Loma made a great point. 1292 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 1: He said, you know, outside of the United States, Um, 1293 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 1: the world and the golf world doesn't have a problem 1294 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: with the Saudis. And we really and have. Players have 1295 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,920 Speaker 1: been released to play in their tournaments over the years. 1296 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,080 Speaker 1: You know, they've gotten more and more. In fact, this 1297 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: last last year, it was there was one opposite the 1298 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,400 Speaker 1: a t and t pebble beach and they let nineteen guys, 1299 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,120 Speaker 1: I think, go play and they said look, if we're 1300 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,840 Speaker 1: gonna let you do that, but some of you guys 1301 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,040 Speaker 1: need to play Dallas, a t and t event, and 1302 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 1: you've got to play a t and t pebble beach 1303 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,519 Speaker 1: next year. We'll let you go. So we haven't had 1304 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,000 Speaker 1: a thing against the Saudis or Dubai or Qatar or 1305 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:33,320 Speaker 1: the European tour um or playing in Mexico or playing 1306 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,599 Speaker 1: in China or playing in Korea. We don't. We haven't 1307 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,679 Speaker 1: played the political game. Um. So outside of this country 1308 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,439 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think a whole lot of golf 1309 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,880 Speaker 1: people by the Saudi money thing. I think it's a 1310 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: PR issue over here that you know, look at they 1311 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,320 Speaker 1: pull logos off guy's chest because they went and did 1312 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,479 Speaker 1: it these companies in the United States. That that's gonna 1313 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 1: be hard to get over. You know, it's well, look 1314 01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,960 Speaker 1: what they did to Justin Thomas, you know, one comm 1315 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,720 Speaker 1: and people just start dropping him like flies and he's 1316 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a he's a great young man, you know. So that's 1317 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,679 Speaker 1: a big issue in this country. Is You know, how 1318 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,400 Speaker 1: how could um that ever fly, even if the tour 1319 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,800 Speaker 1: wanted to do business with him? Could you do good 1320 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,720 Speaker 1: business with them? Um, because of the political out atmosphere? 1321 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,320 Speaker 1: But I wanted to all work out. But I'M gonna 1322 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,200 Speaker 1: fight for for my tour and for for my my 1323 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 1: tournament and rules that literally me and Jay Haas and 1324 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Jeff sluman and Brad facts and board members that we 1325 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,479 Speaker 1: set up because that's what the players asked us to do, 1326 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 1: and Jays just defending them. Davis, got a really narrow 1327 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: question for you. How do you explain slugger? Well, he 1328 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,920 Speaker 1: was retired. That's the funniest comment. Um, when now when 1329 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,840 Speaker 1: Sergio or somebody gets a bad ruling, they're like, I 1330 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,479 Speaker 1: can't wait to get off of this tour. Well, it's 1331 01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,479 Speaker 1: slugger is going to give you the ruling over there. 1332 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,160 Speaker 1: It's the same, they ruly and there's probably gonna be 1333 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,360 Speaker 1: less official, so he's probably gonna be giving lots of rulings. Um. 1334 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,200 Speaker 1: But you know, there there's a lot of other names 1335 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,720 Speaker 1: that aren't famous, like like slugger, that have come from 1336 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,920 Speaker 1: other golf organizations that have got paid a lot of 1337 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:20,760 Speaker 1: money to go over there. TV people and, as I said, vendors, suppliers, 1338 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,600 Speaker 1: tent guys that put up tents Um, have taken the 1339 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:29,719 Speaker 1: money and you know, I just question again to Michael's point, 1340 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,360 Speaker 1: if it does fall apart and all these people the 1341 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,240 Speaker 1: money dries up because they could lose interest, you know. 1342 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,720 Speaker 1: But it keeps going the way it's going now. Um, 1343 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: I would think somebody has to be accountable for hundreds 1344 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,360 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and and no revenue. You know 1345 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,559 Speaker 1: the TV over here won't touch them. Um, it had 1346 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 1: to be something bizarre from outside. We have TV partners 1347 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 1: long time on the PGA tour. I don't see them 1348 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,200 Speaker 1: breaking ranks anytime soon. Um, people are gonna get tired 1349 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,520 Speaker 1: of watching that same thing over and over again. And 1350 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 1: how you've been there, but it's gonna be the same 1351 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,800 Speaker 1: thing over and over again. If it's a closed shop, 1352 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,479 Speaker 1: you're gonna see these same same players over and over 1353 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,559 Speaker 1: and over again. And is it interesting that Dustin Johnson 1354 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,360 Speaker 1: hasn't one one yet and then maybe he will one one. Don't. 1355 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 1: Is that interesting? I don't think I think it's interesting 1356 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,680 Speaker 1: if Tony Fenel wins the Fedex Cup as great as 1357 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: he's hitting it, or it's Cam Young gonna bomb it around. 1358 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,599 Speaker 1: You Know East Lake and when? When the Fedex Cup 1359 01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,400 Speaker 1: come in as a rookie? You know, I think those 1360 01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of things are are more interesting. You know, whins 1361 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,559 Speaker 1: Justin and Jordan's gonna break break loose again. Those are 1362 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,760 Speaker 1: more interesting than than watching the same guys play over 1363 01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,760 Speaker 1: and over again. Day's part of me for not knowing 1364 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,600 Speaker 1: the answer this. But just tiger have a role in 1365 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,720 Speaker 1: your President's Cup team at the moment. He's he's an advisor. No, 1366 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,200 Speaker 1: he's have webs Simpson and Zack Johnson, Fred couples and 1367 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Steve Stricker and then, you know there's the the usual 1368 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:13,680 Speaker 1: Um group that we rely on, Jim Furick Um, you know, 1369 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,320 Speaker 1: all the way back to Tom Lehman's captaincy. We're all 1370 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:21,680 Speaker 1: in this together and you know, supporting Um. Tiger has 1371 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,280 Speaker 1: done an incredible job. The last Um couple after he 1372 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,680 Speaker 1: was the captain, the next the next two he was. 1373 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,599 Speaker 1: He's been very involved in Um. You know, obviously he's 1374 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,800 Speaker 1: got other issues. Like you said, you can't hardly play 1375 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,000 Speaker 1: and it's hard for him to travel and Um. So 1376 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to get himself back in shape. But yes, 1377 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,120 Speaker 1: he's very involved and he's doing a lot to help 1378 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,000 Speaker 1: um the tour and um a lot with his foundation. 1379 01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,800 Speaker 1: So he's staying busy and and and always helping me. 1380 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,240 Speaker 1: I talked to him. I talked to him last night. 1381 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:59,040 Speaker 1: As I said, he's a trusted I trusted Um boss. 1382 01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,439 Speaker 1: Now he's not an advisor. He's already Davis does it 1383 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: make you sad that Phil Michelson will never be a 1384 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,800 Speaker 1: writer Cup captain as it stands right now? Yeah, that's 1385 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,720 Speaker 1: what at the point I tried to make him make 1386 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,400 Speaker 1: to him, as you know, let let's try to figure 1387 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,520 Speaker 1: this out before you go over there and start playing. Um. 1388 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, we want Phil Micholson to be, as I 1389 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,400 Speaker 1: heard from Michael, we want him to be an honorary 1390 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 1: starter at the masters. We want him to be a rider, 1391 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Cup captain, President's Cup captain. He deserves he deserves that. 1392 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's gone from he's a word he's a 1393 01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:37,839 Speaker 1: hero at Kila on the ocean course, two people calling, 1394 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,960 Speaker 1: maybe only one or two, calling, for him to be 1395 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,000 Speaker 1: thrown out of the hall of fame. I mean it's 1396 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,720 Speaker 1: it's a a tragic decline. So it's very sad. I 1397 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,639 Speaker 1: mean he's a I don't know how many twelve teams 1398 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I was on with him, and then assistant captain teams 1399 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,080 Speaker 1: that he played, Captain Team that he played. So we've 1400 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,519 Speaker 1: got maybe twenty tans together. Yeah, it's gonna be very 1401 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,400 Speaker 1: sad for me as an old guy. I want to 1402 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,600 Speaker 1: thank cam young maybe that Dustin Johnson and Phil Nicholson 1403 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,920 Speaker 1: aren't aren't a part of the team. I loved how 1404 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,759 Speaker 1: Brooks kept going the teams. We we had a great 1405 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:24,880 Speaker 1: um you know, maybe quiet, quiet GRANDPA grandson relationship, like 1406 01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:27,519 Speaker 1: he had a problem. He game to me. If I 1407 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: told him what to do, he did it. Um. I 1408 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for him the way he 1409 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,439 Speaker 1: played on those teams and the passion he played with. Um. 1410 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be sad not to have brooks. I got 1411 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,760 Speaker 1: a ball marker in my backpack right now from the 1412 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,880 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup it whistling straits that he left in his 1413 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,640 Speaker 1: locker that I don't know what am I supposed to 1414 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,720 Speaker 1: do with. Does he he don't carry more? Or is 1415 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,360 Speaker 1: he never going to play another one? It's all those 1416 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,000 Speaker 1: things are very, very sad. And you see me make 1417 01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,880 Speaker 1: comments on TV UM defending the tour, but it's hard 1418 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,320 Speaker 1: to do that because Hudson swofford lives on our island 1419 01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,800 Speaker 1: and he's friends with the tour players that lived there 1420 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,600 Speaker 1: and now he's suing them. It's very, very sad. Is 1421 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:16,720 Speaker 1: he still? Is he still friends with those players? Um, 1422 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,160 Speaker 1: we don't know. You know, we're so early into this island. 1423 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,800 Speaker 1: What do you do when you run into a guy 1424 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,080 Speaker 1: if he happens to be in the locker room or 1425 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,519 Speaker 1: at the in our case at the grocery store. You know. Um, hey, 1426 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,760 Speaker 1: how's how you doing? How's the family? Um, how's your 1427 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:37,800 Speaker 1: lawsuit against US going? Um, I'm not experienced enough in this. 1428 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Don't know what to do. I am praying for you. Um, 1429 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:47,479 Speaker 1: have a nice summer and walk off. It hurts. Good 1430 01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,479 Speaker 1: Golf takeing golf has taking a professional golf has taken 1431 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,879 Speaker 1: a serious hit here already. It makes us look greedy 1432 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,120 Speaker 1: and arrogant and elite, all the things that we tried 1433 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,920 Speaker 1: not look at. Look at where we've come in the 1434 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:09,520 Speaker 1: last twenty years on diversity, inclusion, growing the game. Augusta 1435 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,960 Speaker 1: national is sponsoring a drive, chip and PUTT and letting 1436 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,600 Speaker 1: little kids come play on their course and and the 1437 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,840 Speaker 1: women play the last round of the Augusta amateur on 1438 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:27,920 Speaker 1: Augusta national and they go around the world hosting amateur events. 1439 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,599 Speaker 1: They send Johnny Harris from Quail Hollow to go run, 1440 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, the Asian amateur or something. The things the PGA, 1441 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,320 Speaker 1: junior league golf. Little kids come up to me and sign, 1442 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,400 Speaker 1: have me sign their hat and then I tell them 1443 01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,320 Speaker 1: turn around. So I can see what number you are 1444 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,600 Speaker 1: because they're on a PGA junior league golf team and 1445 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,719 Speaker 1: they wore their shirt to the P G A tour event. Um, 1446 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 1: and all the great things the U S G A 1447 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:59,599 Speaker 1: is doing, the first t my tournament and so many 1448 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,640 Speaker 1: other players on the tour support local first tea chapters. 1449 01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,800 Speaker 1: We've done a great job of growing the game and 1450 01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,559 Speaker 1: it's just it's just sad that all you're seeing in 1451 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,599 Speaker 1: the news is hundred million dollars here and a hundred 1452 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,800 Speaker 1: million dollars there and lawsuits. That's that's not what m 1453 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,000 Speaker 1: been crunch Il would say. That's not what Byron Nelson 1454 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,679 Speaker 1: and Ben Hogan and Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer intended 1455 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,040 Speaker 1: for us to be doing right now. Well, that seems 1456 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,080 Speaker 1: like a good a good stopping point. Um Davis, you've 1457 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,200 Speaker 1: been very generous with with your time. You're in the 1458 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,240 Speaker 1: middle of a tournament here. You should be thinking about 1459 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,360 Speaker 1: your putting stroke, not all this, but I guess that's 1460 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 1: part of being an ambassador of the sport. You're always 1461 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: on duty. So thank you for your for your time 1462 01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 1: and your insight and I have a feeling this we'll 1463 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,920 Speaker 1: have another one of these conversations at some point, because 1464 01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,000 Speaker 1: it was definitely enlightening for me. And Yeah, there will 1465 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,400 Speaker 1: be many updates to this. Yeah, hopefully I run into 1466 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,840 Speaker 1: both of you soon at at a big tournament. What 1467 01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: are your dinner plans? Oh, I think, I think I 1468 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:03,160 Speaker 1: know lamps. Yes, the the great lance bearer from CBS 1469 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,040 Speaker 1: sports who's retired, is Um, is here this week. It's 1470 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,000 Speaker 1: a big week in CBS. You know, Sir Nick Faldo, Um, 1471 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,400 Speaker 1: this is his last event and so I have to 1472 01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,479 Speaker 1: stop by the booth and and come up with something 1473 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,439 Speaker 1: quippy to say to him. And but yeah, dinner with 1474 01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,639 Speaker 1: Lance and Um and friends. So it's a the tour 1475 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,559 Speaker 1: life is not very glamorous, but we do get out 1476 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and have some fun hotels and restaurants and and grocery stores, Um. 1477 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,439 Speaker 1: But UH, well, we'll have a good night tonight and 1478 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be great conversation about the state of 1479 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:43,080 Speaker 1: the game. I love it. Yeah, let's do another podcast 1480 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,400 Speaker 1: tomorrow and we talk about the dinner like I think 1481 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,760 Speaker 1: we could have. We have daily updates. I love it 1482 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,960 Speaker 1: so well. I'd love to do it again with you guys, 1483 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,280 Speaker 1: hopefully after after we picked the President's Cup team and then, 1484 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,960 Speaker 1: after we win them, let's go. Yeah, that would be great. 1485 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:04,040 Speaker 1: All right, we accept your offer. Yeah, that'll be true us, Davis. 1486 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Thank you Allan Thank you okay. Well, this was a 1487 01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: very enlightening conversation. Thank you to David's love for his time. 1488 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,800 Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger, this is Allen Schip nick signing off from 1489 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,360 Speaker 1: another fire drill podcast. We will keep them coming as 1490 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,800 Speaker 1: current events demand. As always, we thank you guys for 1491 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,760 Speaker 1: listening and put back in your ear soon. That's it. 1492 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears. GET THE 1493 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:49,160 Speaker 1: TIME