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Speaker 1: our guest on the podcast needs little introduction. Curtis Strange

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Speaker 1: one back to back US opens and fourteen other PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour events during his Hall of Fame career. We talk

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Speaker 1: about his career Brighton's new style of play, what he

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Speaker 1: loved most about working in the US Open broadcast with Fox,

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Speaker 1: and much more.

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Speaker 2: I missed a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a bright egg

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Speaker 2: Frida egg, the dreaded Friday Frida egg Frida egg brid egg, Lie,

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Speaker 2: I'm about ready to run off the golf course.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you you had a lot of

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Speaker 1: huge moments in your career, obviously your two US Open wins,

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious where the closing eagle to win the

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Speaker 1: NCAA title as a freshman ranks in your kind of

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Speaker 1: golf memories.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's it's a good question, and

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Speaker 2: it's one that I always answer when you talk about

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Speaker 2: fortunate enough to have some highlights. I put that in

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Speaker 2: there because highlights just aren't professional highlights. Highlights are at

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Speaker 2: each stage in your career, and that highlight propelled you

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Speaker 2: or gave you confidence to go forward. And certainly that

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Speaker 2: was huge for me personally as a freshman for Wake

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Speaker 2: Forest as their first NCAA golf championship. For my teammates

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Speaker 2: for my coach. You know, it was just huge and

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Speaker 2: then the shot itself hit a one iron to eight

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Speaker 2: trying to two putt. They went in. But you know

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Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it was it's it's in my top,

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Speaker 2: you know, three or four Be honest with you, because

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Speaker 2: it was a one that you know what, what pops

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Speaker 2: up in your memory back that that's one of them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagined you can probably vividly remember all the

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Speaker 1: details of that, that one iron. And you know, for

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Speaker 1: younger listeners, this isn't your driving one iron, this is

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Speaker 1: a butter knife.

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Speaker 2: This is this is one you could cook a file,

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Speaker 2: you could cut a flay with. Yes, go to your

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Speaker 2: next time you go away. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: could even fond a one iron anymore. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if a youngster went to see what a one iron McGregor,

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Speaker 2: Spaulding Wilson one iron used to look like, gosh, where

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Speaker 2: But we did it. I mean it was something you

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Speaker 2: But things have changed in all aspects of that sound

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of change, how being a young player in

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Speaker 2: you know, it came up in the game. You progressed,

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Speaker 2: You enjoyed winning, but you knew there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: You know, you have to be an athletic type of individual.

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Speaker 2: Now we've had our exceptions, but most in the most cases,

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Speaker 2: to be stubborn. You know, you have to have a

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Speaker 2: the same as all competition at a young age. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I track Man gives you more knowledge,

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Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying is that we had our

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Speaker 2: And those who could do that more better than others

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Speaker 1: Did you through your career have like a certain feel

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Speaker 2: Yes? I did. Again, we were We were mostly all

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Speaker 2: I'd ironed it pretty well. But more than anything else,

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Speaker 1: Yes, one of my favorite sayings faders eat fil a

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Speaker 2: tournaments as an amateur, being from the West Coast, and

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Speaker 2: you know he was. That was my introduction to the

434
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Speaker 2: kind of the golf machine theory theory. I don't even

435
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Speaker 2: know if it's a theory or not, I don't know

436
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Speaker 2: what it is. But and so he comes out and

437
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: everybody's kind of intrigued. What is this guy? You know,

438
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: he's got this tremendous lag and impact. I also did

439
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: some clinics and played with him a little bit when

440
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 2: he started going bad. And what he did was I

441
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: think he overdid the golf machine. But I don't know

442
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: for a fact, but yeah, I was, I knew and

443
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: saw Bobby come up and then fall off the face

444
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: of the earth.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like that open where he was leading by,

446
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Speaker 1: you know, I can't remember how much, but through two

447
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: rounds was and then he kind of blew it coming

448
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: down the street. Maybe it might have been Sandy Lyles

449
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: when I can't remember who won that year, But that

450
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Speaker 1: really had a lasting impact on him.

451
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it really shouldn't have, because every

452
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: we all lose big tournaments throughout our career, especially when

453
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Speaker 2: we're inexperienced. The pressure in a major championship is so

454
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Speaker 2: amplified over a regular tour event, and a regular tour

455
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: event is plenty. I mean, you couldn't spit if you

456
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Speaker 2: had a gun to your head in a regular tour

457
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: event when you're coming down the stretch and early on

458
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Speaker 2: in your career and then you throw yourself in a major.

459
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Speaker 2: It's so I might disagree with that that it had

460
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Speaker 2: a huge effect. If anything else, if nothing else, you

461
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: should have learned from it. Okay, you know, what did

462
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: I do wrong? How can I improve? What did I

463
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: learn from? The pressure? Uh? Affecting my body, my swing, speed,

464
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: my thought process, all that stuff. You you you take

465
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: an account many cases subconsciously, and so the next time

466
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 2: you get in position, you learn from your mistakes before prior.

467
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Speaker 2: And so I disagree that it had a huge impact. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 2: later on, Uh, you know, we all get disappointed, but

469
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: you have to get back up the next day and

470
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Speaker 2: go work.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think on every single level

472
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Speaker 1: of golf that that helps, even like your you know,

473
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Speaker 1: eight handicap out of the club on weekends and loses

474
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Speaker 1: a you know, a net club championship, because the next

475
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Speaker 1: year he's in that position, he's going to do better.

476
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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, you know, the eighty five Masters is

477
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: obviously one that in your career that kind of may

478
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Speaker 1: might have gotten away a little bit, but it's also

479
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: one of the craziest stories shooting eighty in the first

480
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Speaker 1: round and then having a two shot lead on Sunday

481
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Speaker 1: on the back nine at Augusta. Is that the tournament

482
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Speaker 1: that you kind of think back to most and kind

483
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: of long for a do over? And also how did

484
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Speaker 1: that you know, speaking about what you just talked about,

485
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: how did that tournament have a positive impact on you

486
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Speaker 1: on your career?

487
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Speaker 2: Well, that's when we just talked about Bobby Clamping and

488
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the Open Championship with the laws, that's you know, I

489
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: can speak from experience. Yeah, you know, you you're disappointed.

490
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: I mean you you know you you feel terrible for

491
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: a while. And I knew the best thing I could do,

492
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: and people told me that is get your ass up,

493
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: get back on the golf course as soon as you can,

494
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: and get in contention. That we all want to get

495
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: in contention, but in contention as soon as you can,

496
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: and you know, and and learn from it. Just kind

497
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: of get up and go. And I did. I mean,

498
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: that's that's the way I am. But yeah, eighty five,

499
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: I we had just had our second baby, and Sarah

500
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: wasn't there, and so I was there with a couple

501
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: of friends and so shot eighty the first round, had,

502
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: you know, was disappointed because I was playing well. I

503
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: already won once or twice that year, and and but

504
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: I'd made playing reservations to get home Friday late and

505
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: you know, be with our second son, who would just arrived.

506
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: But I shot sixty five the next day and jump

507
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: back in contention. The scores weren't real low that year,

508
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: so I jumped right back, kind of not in to

509
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: make the cut or anything, but kind of got back

510
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: in contention. And then the shot sixty eighth Saturday. And

511
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: I know all these details, but anyway, I'm still behind

512
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Raymond Floyd. But I'm in the last group, and next

513
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: thing I know, I'm on the tenth t with a

514
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: four shot lead. And so uh, but the pressure, I've

515
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: never felt anything like that. I you know, I knew

516
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 2: how to play off. You'd play golf. You've been successful

517
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: throughout you know, the different stages of your career, and

518
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: and so I knew what to do. You breathe number one?

519
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: People say, what do you mean you breathe? Number one?

520
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: You make sure you breathe in deeply and out deeply,

521
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: and just kind of take your time. And you know,

522
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: I didn't play terribly on the backside, but I lost,

523
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: and uh, and give a lot of credit to Bernhard

524
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: Langer who won. But it was hard. It was hard,

525
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: and it is the one I think about that got away.

526
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: I was very fortunate that many didn't get away from me.

527
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: And I don't say that I didn't. I didn't get

528
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: all that many chances to win, but I felt like

529
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: I took advantage when I when I had a chance

530
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Speaker 2: to win. And but that is the one that I

531
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: think about, and it's it was. As much as we

532
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: all dearly love the Masters in Augusta National, it would

533
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: have been great to to go back there forever and

534
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: put on a green jacket. But hey, it all works

535
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: out in the end, and I can't dwell on it

536
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: too much because we all lose a whole lot more

537
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: than we went on tour. And that's why you have

538
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: to be somewhat tough mentally, because the golf beat you up,

539
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: the competition beats you up. You're playing against the best

540
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: of the world every day, and you have to prove

541
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: yourself every single day. You're only you know this is harsh,

542
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: but I feel like I'm only as good as my

543
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: last shot or my last round, And so I did

544
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: beat myself up a lot, but the Masters was one

545
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: that was the one that I wish I had maybe

546
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: a do over it too.

547
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Speaker 1: We talked just before about how much the games changed

548
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: from a distance standpoint. I read an old SI article

549
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Speaker 1: about that round and you were hitting a forward on

550
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Speaker 1: thirteen from a hanging live to ten and you think about,

551
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, or thirteen today, like what Bryson might do

552
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: this year is obviously everybody's talk about it. You might

553
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: be hitting the lob wedgeon.

554
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Well. And I had a good drib too, you know.

555
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: I got up there and you talked about earlier not

556
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: worrying about the ball going left. You know, I had

557
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: to hit it at three in the day, those three

558
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: pine trees out there on the other side of the fairway,

559
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: and I couldn't drive it through the fairway. Okay, on

560
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: my line, I couldn't drive it through the fairway. Now

561
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: you're up in the pines draw a lot, but and

562
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: I hit a really good drib. I hit it at

563
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: that middle pine is she hits the fairway and jumps

564
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: a little bit to the left, and I think I

565
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: had what two to eight or two eighteen something like that.

566
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: It was a perfect fourwood off the hanging lie and

567
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: it would carry plenty over the creek, and I just

568
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: hung it a little bit. And people that never been

569
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: there don't understand the slope in that fairway. These guys

570
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: make it look easy, but it really isn't, and is

571
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: how you get out there and practice. But I hung

572
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: it to the right, and so the one shot I

573
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: wish now, I wish I had the second shot there back,

574
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: and the second shot at fifteen, of course, but the

575
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: third shot out of the water at thirteen is one

576
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: that was such a simple shot. Just hit it like

577
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: a semi buried, semi buried bunker shot. And I didn't

578
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: hit it hard enough and it didn't get out and

579
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I end up making bogie. But that's one I would

580
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: like to have back because that was just a simple

581
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: shot that we all have hit over the years, and

582
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: not a lot, but you know how to hit it.

583
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: So's that's one of three or four or five or

584
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: six that i'd want back with the back. But you know,

585
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: you learn, you know what, I have won two US Opens.

586
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: If i'd won there, who the hell knows, But I

587
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: go back there, you know, still work for ESPN there

588
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: every year, and I don't think about it often, But

589
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: when you go back to Augusta every year, it seems

590
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: to come up, and it seems to come up, and

591
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: uh in a good way, in a good way. But

592
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: it would have been it would have been a wonderful

593
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: story to shoot eighty and win. I don't give a

594
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't give a rats asset if I shoot eighty

595
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: and win or not. I just want to win. Yeah,

596
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: but it was it was one of those times.

597
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: Yep, it's it would have been an incredible I uh

598
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: for that hanging lie. It's funny. I was playing last

599
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: week with a buddy who's who plays on tour, and

600
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: I had a hanging lie. It's very similar to that

601
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: one you might see at thirteen and apart five and

602
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I had to I was trying to hit a three iron.

603
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: It came out low, it didn't carry over this bunker

604
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: that I had to carry over. And I turned to him,

605
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: I go, how how do you hit that thing high?

606
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, Andy, you got to play

607
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot more off than you play to hit that high.

608
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, and you know strength and be

609
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: able to do it and and and trust me, sometimes

610
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: it just won't come out high. It will come in hot.

611
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: It's will come in hot and low, and you gotta

612
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta account for that. But you know

613
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: that's that's the beauty of Augusta. I don't think you

614
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: get a level lie on the entire golf course. And

615
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: that's the part of it that the camera angles and

616
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: the camera which flattens the two D camera flattens everything.

617
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: And it's just hard to describe, uh, the little nuances

618
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: around Augusta National that make it tough.

619
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Speaker 1: Do you think that those uneven lies, especially today with power,

620
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: do you feel that uneven lies throwing kind of scored

621
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: a par out the window? Because I don't think that

622
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: really matters anymore. It's completely different game than when all

623
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: these pars were established. Do you feel like level lies

624
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: is probably the best way to test the best players

625
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: in the game now?

626
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Uh, it certainly throws up you know, kink and and

627
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: your every day just kind of flat Florida course. Yeah,

628
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: excuse me. It's just one of the things that as

629
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: a professional you learn to adjust every shot and and

630
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: and deal with it. Uh. Wind, not so much rain,

631
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 2: but wind, hard conditions. Uh, unlevel lies, a lot of rough.

632
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: All these things are elements that make the game tough.

633
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: That's why the US Open and maybe sometimes the Open

634
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: Championship are the toughest test because there is a lot

635
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: of rock, a lot of a lot of rough and

636
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: accuracy is as a priority and if you don't, if

637
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: you make mistakes, your your mistakes are magnified. Uh, you know,

638
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's a game played outdoors. And sometimes

639
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: if it's like it looked like this past week with

640
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: Bryson and mean, it looked like it was a game

641
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: played in a dome. It looked like there was no wind,

642
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: the weather was perfect, it was hot, the ball goes.

643
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: All the above makes it easy, but hitting it three

644
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: fifty off the team makes it so much easier. And

645
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: so now you go compare Bryan Bryson, if you could

646
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: average three thirty three forty three fifty Augusta, Augusta being

647
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: a second shot golf course, okay, very very little off

648
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: wider corridors than any other golf course. So it's a

649
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: second shot golf course with the undulating greens that they have,

650
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: and they're so hard and fast. So now he's coming

651
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: in with such a shorter club than the average guy.

652
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: It just makes the game easier at Augusta National. You know,

653
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: if he's coming in with a non iron and I'm

654
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: back there hitting a five iron, guess who's gonna win?

655
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: Bryce every time? And the putting is so different, I

656
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: tweeted out yesterday, if I was Bryson when I got

657
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: to Augusta this year, I would, knowing what I know

658
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: now at sixty five years old, I would hit a

659
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: few balls, not play eighteen or play nine holes, whatever

660
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: they do. But I would spend twice as much time,

661
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: half my time, twice as much time as I normally

662
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: do on the putting green to get used to the speed,

663
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: to feel to feel really comfortable Thursday morning, ready to play.

664
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: I never felt really comfortable at Augusta until maybe Friday

665
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: afternoon or Saturday, because now, you know, you get four

666
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: or five days under your belt and you're getting used

667
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: to the speed. But that's how fast they were in

668
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: the day compared to other greens. Now there's a lot

669
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: of greens fast, but they're still the fastest. Augusts are

670
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: still the fastest with the most undulation. So therefore there's

671
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: putts out there that are so much faster than you've

672
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: seen all year long, and they're actually frightening at times.

673
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: You wonder sometime you look at a putt and say,

674
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: how the hell, when is this ball going to stop?

675
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: And it does. But I would get out there at

676
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: boxing Bryce and spend a lot of time on that putting,

677
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: green putting, swooping putts, downhill putts. So he's comfortable because

678
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: if he makes a few putts and he drives it well,

679
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: it can be tough to beat.

680
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just hit on that. One of

681
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: the things that makes it's so tough is that fear factor.

682
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: It's just like the golf swing you alluded to earlier,

683
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: where when you go eighty percent instead of ninety five,

684
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your body doesn't react it. And

685
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I feel like getting defensive on the greens is one

686
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: of the worst things that can happen to your putting

687
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: in a tournament setting.

688
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Especially well, boy, great point there you do. And that

689
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: brought up another thought. I putted a lot of putts

690
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: in Augustus so defensively just because of speed, and therefore

691
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: you stroke even changes, you take it back slower, you

692
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: go through slower, and now you're manipulating the putter and

693
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: you don't you don't put by feel and therefore you

694
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: don't put as well. It was some of them were

695
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm telling you some of them. You looked at it

696
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 2: and say wow, and then you don't. You don't show that,

697
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: you don't. Nobody can sense that, but you just go,

698
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: my wow, where is this ball gonna stop? Yeah? One

699
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: of the great stories. One of the great stories. Sabby

700
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: four putts from about four feet at sixteen one year

701
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: and he goes the press room, Hey, sebb, how did

702
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: your four putts? Sixteen? Am? I? Me? I? Me? I

703
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: make In other words, enough of these silly questions, you know.

704
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Speaking of Seve. So you had some you had some

705
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup matches with Seve, and I read that there's

706
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of gamesmanship from Seve. Talk about Seve

707
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: in the Ryder Cup. He kind of was a foil

708
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: to Americans, and I'd love to hear a little bit

709
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: about the gamesmanship and some of the things he would

710
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: do to get under people's skin.

711
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: Well, you're exactly right, and that was just Sevy. Uh.

712
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: You couldn't take it personally, but I did. He You

713
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: know what would always pissed me off about Sebby And

714
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: it's nothing personal. I like the guy who was such

715
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: a competitor, and he was. He was the backbone of

716
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: the entire Rotti Cup, not research Surgeon's up in Europe. Uh,

717
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: he was their leader. But you know, he he thrived

718
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: on some of the gamesmanship that you you might think

719
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: that happens in mash play, and it does. What pissed

720
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: me off so much is that I knew that he

721
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: had gotten to me, and I knew it was coming,

722
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: and I still let it affect me. And so that's

723
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: a that's a problem with me. Uh it's not a

724
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: problem with him, but it's a problem with me. And

725
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: that's the way he but he throbbed on it, and

726
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: he knew when he'd gotten to you, and I got

727
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: I got a flaud him for doing that. That's you

728
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: knew he was coming with it and he got to you.

729
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: And so uh, I say that with a big grin

730
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: on my face because uh, you know, gosh, we miss

731
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: him and what a what a charismatic guy he was,

732
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: and what a great player. Unfortunately he lost his game.

733
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: I never could understand why he didn't drive it or

734
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: hit it any straight because he had a good swing,

735
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: great grip swing. It looked like it was online the

736
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: whole way, but in the later years he didn't hit

737
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: it very straight. But anyway, he was such a force

738
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: in the Rotterer Cup. And you know, I'm asked all

739
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: the time, when did europe become a force? Why did

740
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: they become a force. And I'll tell you why they

741
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: became a force. Sevy, Nick, Faldo, Ian, Rusnam, Bernhard Langer,

742
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Sandy Nick, Sevy, Ian and Bernhardt five of the top fifth, twelve, ten, twelve,

743
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: fifteen in the world. It's a pretty good nucleus to

744
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: have when you're a roder Clip team.

745
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were playing your best golf most of

746
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: the top end players, you were kind of the only

747
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: American that was challenging those that European crop for a

748
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: couple of years.

749
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that was. I mean, we

750
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: had we had you know, Greg and Sevy and then

751
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: that crop of European players, and then you know, Tom

752
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: Watson was still playing, you know, really really well and

753
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: winning tournaments, and and heyo Irwin and uh a lot

754
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: of younger players. I mean, I guess the US opens

755
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: thrust me in front, but I didn't never feel that way.

756
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: I always felt I was just one of many. I

757
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: never put myself thought of myself as better than those

758
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: guys who were you know, look at Tom Watson and

759
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: his you know, tremendous career, UH and and I just

760
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: I never I never did that. I just that wasn't

761
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: the way I believe. I, Like I said, you're trying

762
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: to prove yourself every day, and and that's what I

763
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: tried to do.

764
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: Was with Stevey in Ryder Cups? Was was that style

765
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: that where he was never seemingly in the fairway? And

766
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: was that part of the frustration of playing against him?

767
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: No, I never sense that at all. You know, I

768
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: played with him numerous other times and in major tournaments

769
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: and not you know, you didn't. I didn't pay any

770
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: attention to anybody else playing with UH, Nor did I

771
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: play against anybody. I'm out there doing the best I can. UH.

772
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: You learn that early on is that you're playing against

773
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: some people you feel like you should beat. You're playing

774
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: against some of the guys that you admire and greatly

775
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: greatly admire for their long career. But I didn't. I

776
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: didn't care who I was playing with. Certainly the better competition,

777
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: the bigger name, inspired you to do well. But I

778
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: didn't never look at anybody's swing. I was into myself.

779
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: I was into my game and just doing what I

780
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: thought I knew how to do.

781
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the eighteen hole playoff

782
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: at your one of your US Open wins with Faldo

783
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and how that compared, like pressure wise, that Monday eighteen

784
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: hole playoff versus a Sunday final round.

785
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: U magnified. And you're right, I mean a Sunday final

786
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: round head to head against a world class player is

787
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: it's not like a playoff because there's other players that

788
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: could come from behind and win. So in that respect,

789
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: it was a little different. But you know, you don't

790
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: sleep the night before. You're anxious, you're on point. You

791
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: know every shot you hit the next day is going

792
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: to be magnified. But you don't dwell on that. You know,

793
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: you try to do the best you can and you

794
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: prepare the next morning. The longest time for any professional

795
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: golfer is that from the time he gets up to

796
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: the time he tees off, and it's the most boring.

797
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: It lasts forever. Say you get up at eight o'clock

798
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: on Monday morning for the playoff in the US Opening,

799
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: you don't tee off till two a two thirty. It's

800
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: an eternity. But once I get to the golf course

801
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: and got to the practice tee, it was game on.

802
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: That's now you're now you're in your comfort zone. So

803
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: you try to do the whole thing. You're anxious, you're

804
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: you know, I never got comfortable all day long. I

805
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: really didn't because you know that each shot, this next

806
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: shot could could win or lose your dream tournament. So, uh,

807
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: you get to the first tee and I was nervous,

808
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: but you now, you do what you know how to do.

809
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: You go play golf, and uh, I played. I really

810
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: chipped and putted well, so winning. We got up that

811
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: day and it was breezier in Boston that ordinarily it

812
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: would be in a hot summer day June day, so

813
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna be harder. You know, it's

814
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: a US opened set up courses, fast and firm, so

815
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: there's gonna be there's gonna be some miss greens and

816
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: I missed some greens, but I really chipped and putted well,

817
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: and uh, and you know, we had a we had

818
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: a great day. And you know how many wards were said,

819
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: zero between the two of us, And that's exactly the

820
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: way I wanted it and the way it should have been.

821
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: Two guys going head to head and what I think

822
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: is the greatest championship in the world. Nick thinks it

823
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: is the second greatest championship in the world. And trying

824
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: to trying to win, trying to win, and uh, it was.

825
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: It was good competition.

826
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and then so you win the

827
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: next year also and uh and then but dinah, you

828
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: had you were in the hunt there for a three peat?

829
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: Was it? I read somewhere that the it was really

830
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: soft comparatively to you know, your traditional US Open setup.

831
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to o Kill that Monday, and it

832
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: was hard and fast, and it was a tremendous amount

833
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: of rough. It was the old style US Open setup.

834
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: Greens were hard and fast. A lot of sloping greens,

835
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: not a lot of not a lot of like Augustin

836
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: National bumps and mounds and bruises, but just a lot

837
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: of slope from back to front of a lot of

838
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: the greens. So we're going, Wow, this is really hard.

839
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: This is really hard. Fair drives are running out of

840
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: fairways into the rough. And then we got like three

841
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: inches of rain on It was Tuesday night. I think

842
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, Tuesday night we got an enormous

843
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: amount of rain and the whole setup changed, and from

844
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: a player's standpoint, you felt like now you could play,

845
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: You could play more golf versus play so defensive and

846
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: know you're gonna get screwed a couple of times out

847
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: there because of the firmness, and the whole thing changed.

848
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: In my mind, it changed that now we'll be able

849
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: to drive it in all the fairways and keep these

850
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: longer irons on these greens easier than before. And it's

851
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. I didn't I didn't miss many fairways

852
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: all week long. I really drove it well. Uh, the

853
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: second round won me the golf term. I shot sixty

854
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: four and that's the and so now I'm just hanging on.

855
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, it turned out well. But it did change overnight.

856
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your mind, I guess you know there in

857
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: that era there are a lot of US Open players

858
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: where you know, like a Scott Simpson seemingly was always

859
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: in the hunt. You were obviously a great US Open player.

860
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Fell was there a certain style that really thrived in

861
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: US Opens? And do you feel like in covering the

862
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: US Open the last few years that it's it's changed

863
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: a little bit.

864
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the style was you better put it in the

865
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: fairway off the tee because remember we nobody dominated in length,

866
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: and the roof was such back in the day that

867
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: if we drove it in the rough, it was tough

868
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: to get it anywhere near the green because we weren't strong.

869
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: The ball didn't go. You couldn't overpower rough like that,

870
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: so you mostly most of the time couldn't get it

871
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: to the green. So then you had to get it

872
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: up and down. Now with the US Open setups, it's

873
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: so much different that that I don't agree with. But

874
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: a little bit wider fairways and a first cut that's

875
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: six eight ten steps wider that you can play out of.

876
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: And plus these players are bigger and stronger than we were,

877
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: so the whole, the whole thing is easier. But that's

878
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: another conversation for another day. But it was so you

879
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: had to put it in a fairway, and then there

880
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: was always a lot of rough around the greens and

881
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: you had to put it on the green. It was

882
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: tough to get it up and down from three or

883
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 2: four inches of rough, you know, and you into a hard,

884
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: fast green. So the whole thing was so different. And

885
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, we have a lot of

886
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: runoff areas now around US open golf courses, which if

887
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: the golf course doesn't set up to that, why do

888
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: that and why to me have a runoff area when

889
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: the rest of the golf course has rough around it.

890
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of manipulating the golf course where the architect

891
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think had that in mind. But that's again

892
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: another story. But anyway, so priority was to put it

893
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: in the fairway and put it on the green, and

894
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: that's what you that's what you try to do.

895
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think the runoff areas

896
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: are they have to obviously fit. It's it's an interesting

897
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: debate whether obviously there's if your short game around the

898
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: green and rough requires a certain type of skill, and

899
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: then short grass around the green it requires a different

900
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: type you know, different shots. It opens up way more

901
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: shots and recovery options for players. But you could say

902
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: that if the more skilled player might separate themselves even

903
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: more from short short grass.

904
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: You know, I I a will debate that with you.

905
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that don't know how to

906
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: hit it out of the rough. But it is a skill.

907
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: I mean, is there luck involved with is luck involved

908
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: in everything? But you're trying to penalize a poor second shot.

909
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: And what I don't like is that, first of all,

910
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: if it's if it's just a if it's not a

911
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: poor shot, if it's just shot, it's not exactly accurate.

912
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: I don't like balls running away from the green twenty

913
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: and that's not you know, if the whole golf course

914
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: is set up like that, like a Pinehurst, that's perfectly okay.

915
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: But when you go around a golf course and all

916
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the fourteenth hole is a perched up

917
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: green and now you have runoff everywhere, whereas the other

918
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen holes you have rough, and now you manipulate.

919
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: You're changing the whole concept of the setup. And it's

920
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: just my mic theorya of setting up a golf course.

921
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: But it's become in vogue. It's been around for a

922
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: long time. The Players Championship has a lot of runoff area,

923
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: but that's the way the golf course was originally set up.

924
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: And they've gone back and forth a little bit on

925
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: rough or runoff, but there's still a lot of runoff.

926
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: When we go to Pebble Beach and this past year

927
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: they didn't have one or two runoffs and that's okay.

928
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: The prior US Open they had a lot of runoff

929
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: and that's not the way anyway. Let's just be consistent

930
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: with what I'm trying to say and whatever's in vogue.

931
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: I know it changes, but you know, US Open to me,

932
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: is supposed to be the hardest championship in our country

933
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: because it's our national championship. It should test every bit

934
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: of your skill and ability and you should be exhausted

935
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: on Monday morning after playing the US Open. And that's

936
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: the way I believe it should be.

937
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with the consistency thing because it looks

938
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: stupid too when you have one runoff on eighteen holes

939
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: or two runoffs and you don't have them everywhere else.

940
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: And I was remissed by not mentioning Aaron Hills was

941
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: all run off as well. That was good, that was fun.

942
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: You know, Aaron Hills was not a bad golf course.

943
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: It was just we had perfect weather all week long

944
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: and that's why we shot those scores. But anyway, it's

945
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: not a historical, traditional golf course, but it was it

946
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: was a nice challenge for the guys.

947
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to talk about eighty four. You finished

948
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: third at Wingfoot and you know, as just behind Norman

949
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: and Zeller. I'm curious, are you know? Obviously it's a

950
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: bummer that you're not going to be on the ground

951
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: covering it for Fox this year, But what uh tell

952
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: us a little bit about Wingfoot as a US Open venue.

953
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: Wing Put's a hard golf course, uh in the day,

954
00:53:52,200 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: and it still is long, straight forward, traditional, no no secret,

955
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: hard golf course, a lot of slope from back to

956
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 2: front on a lot of greens, deep bunker deep deep bunkers,

957
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: hard to get it up and down. Just you have

958
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: to be it's you have to be accurate. You have

959
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: to be accurate. Greens aren't that big. It's just it's

960
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: just it's just one of the great golf courses you

961
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: ever play. And I must say the greatest grill room

962
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: bar room in America. But anyway, you know, it's just

963
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: when I played wins finished third there in eighty four,

964
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: that's some of the best golf I ever played my

965
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: life because it was so long and if you drove

966
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: in the rock, you didn't have a chance to get

967
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: it near the green. And I really really played well.

968
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: I went to the last not wholes thinking I could

969
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: get part of a playoff if I shot a couple under,

970
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: and I just didn't put very well. But anyway, you know,

971
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: I just I wonder it's a hard golf course. When

972
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: I see five six seven over par one in a

973
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: US Open, I think, why, why is it so so hard?

974
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: What have they done to it? In course, you can

975
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: always make put whole locations where it's impossible to punt,

976
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: and make me punts. But I always think par is

977
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: a good score. That means if Parr is shot in

978
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: the US Open, that means it's plenty hard. It would

979
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: it would. It's going to be and will be a

980
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: great test this year, a great, great test. They've actually

981
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: put a new p in on the tenth hole, which

982
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 2: is a great was one hundred and ninety yards before

983
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: a great great par three and now it's like two thirty.

984
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: So that'll be interesting to watch. But I am ims

985
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: usually disappointed and not be able to go back to

986
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: the US Open. The first time in many, many years

987
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: I was. I was at a TV for three years

988
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: from fifty to fifty three, and an ESPN called me

989
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: and said, would you host the US Open with Mike

990
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Trico not call golf at hosts. I said, are you

991
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: kidding me? Yes, to get back involved in golf TV.

992
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: And that led to, you know, sixty five years old

993
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: doing the US Open, and I thought we were going

994
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: to do it for seven more years. And you know,

995
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: the transition from Fox to NBC disappointed. We're all disappointed,

996
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: but me especially because I will miss going to the

997
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: US Open. It's a part of my life. It's a

998
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: huge part of my family's life. And Bill colgolf in

999
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: the US Open and be around the players, and be

1000
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: around the officials, and you know, just be in that atmosphere.

1001
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: There's nothing like it. And you know, some of my

1002
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: greatest moments were playing, Yes, but I must say being

1003
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: able to watch being the last round of brisk cupa

1004
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: two years ago to win back to back was was

1005
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: a great thrill for me to be there and see

1006
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: the next guy do it back to back and to

1007
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: watch some of the incredible shots that Gary Woodland hit

1008
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: last year, incredible shots the three would on the fourteenth

1009
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: hole of the pitch off the green at seventeen and

1010
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean just incredible shots. Was really a thrill from me.

1011
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: The start of that round was just incredible, how how

1012
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: Woodland and Kopka were just going blow for blow those

1013
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: first six holes, birdie after birdie.

1014
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and don't think that for all the

1015
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: listeners and out there that, don't think that I don't

1016
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: get fired up when I see that I'm in the

1017
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: last group waiting in the first fairly for Gary Woodland

1018
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: to tee off, and I'm here and on my headset

1019
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: that Kepka's just birdied what two of the first three

1020
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: or three of the first four, and so now he's

1021
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: tied or something, and now he's really challenging Gary Woodland,

1022
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: who's never done this before. And Gary Woodland, they're both

1023
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: great guys, are both you know, they're both you know, strong, fit,

1024
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: competitive individuals. And and don't think that I don't get

1025
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: fired up. And I'm one point and I want to

1026
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: do the best I can possibly do, and anything that

1027
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: comes out of my mouth, I wanted to be concise

1028
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: and right on and exactly what the player is thinking.

1029
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: That's all my position out there that day was to

1030
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: bring the viewer closer to what this guy is thinking

1031
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: and feeling and what's presented in front of him. And

1032
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: so I'm on point, and then the whole day was

1033
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: like that, and it was it was a thrill. I

1034
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: can't understate this, it was or overstate this. It was

1035
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: such a thrill for me to be out there be

1036
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: a part of something like that. And I'm gonna miss it.

1037
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: If you were talking to, say, a player and giving advice,

1038
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: what what's some stuff that you picked up? Obviously you

1039
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: were a great major championship player. What were what was

1040
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: some stuff that you picked up that you hadn't thought

1041
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: of while you were a player, when you were when

1042
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: you were doing you were announcing and part of the

1043
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: telecast watching golf. That would you think would have helped

1044
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: you as a player?

1045
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: You know what? It's it's it's I thought about that

1046
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: a lot. And there's one thing. But before I tell you,

1047
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: I want to say that I've heard a lot of

1048
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: announcers say that, you know, they they learned from announcing

1049
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: more about playing and improve their game from announcing and

1050
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That's a crock of shit. What

1051
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: you do. The only way you the only way you

1052
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: improve your games to go out there and practice and

1053
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: hit golf balls and play competitive golf. That's the only

1054
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: way you get better. But the one thing I did learn,

1055
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: the one thing I did learn that I didn't know

1056
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: when I was playing, is that you don't have to

1057
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: be perfect to win. And I always felt like I

1058
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: had to be perfect to win. And therefore I think

1059
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: I beat myself up a little bit too much. Maybe

1060
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: on the weekend or on Sunday when I didn't hit

1061
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: the perfect shot, I might have gotten down a little

1062
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: bit too much. And I never got really a defeatist attitude.

1063
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: But you know, things change, and when I have been

1064
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: in the booth for twenty three years now and around

1065
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 2: the game and TV that there's a lot of guys

1066
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: that mishit shots and miss putts, but they take advantage

1067
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: of the opportunity when it presents itself and they're not perfect.

1068
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: And I always felt like I had to be perfect

1069
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: to win, and I would have I would take a different,

1070
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: little different attitude to the backside on Sunday or maybe

1071
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: Sunday's round, if I had to do it all over again.

1072
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one other thing I would I learned

1073
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: over the years in a little bit different vein than

1074
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: your question, was that I hit a lot of golf

1075
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: balls and I enjoyed practicing, but I felt like I

1076
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: had to beat balls to keep up with the Joneses. Okay,

1077
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: if I had to do it all over again, I

1078
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: would hit half as many balls because you never nobody's

1079
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: ever won a tournament in history golf by striking the

1080
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: golf ball. You have to make putts and you have

1081
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 2: to chip well. So I would hit half as many

1082
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: balls because you're never going to get so good. That's

1083
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: a boring trait is to be able to hit the

1084
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: golf ball. You can improve a little bit from here

1085
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: to there, but where you can really improve is chipping

1086
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: and putting. Become the best chipper and putter you possibly can,

1087
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: and therefore that will take advantage of your ball striking.

1088
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: Win You win tournaments by short game. You don't win

1089
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: them by driving in the fairway and striking the golf ball.

1090
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like what gets lost with statistics and

1091
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: everybody always, you know, talks about how important driving and

1092
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: approach play is, but you know, those things get you

1093
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: into contention, and it's it's very rare, and you look

1094
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: at players over the histories of their careers, it's very rare.

1095
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: You know, almost all the people that you would tab

1096
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: in underachiever in terms of their win totals. Are great

1097
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: ball strikers who struck around and on the greens, you know,

1098
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: and those that's where you win tournaments.

1099
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: Is like you said, Bryce and d Chambeau was number

1100
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: one in strokes game last week driving, Okay, that didn't

1101
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: win in the golf tournament. He was number one in

1102
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: putting that won in the golf tournament. Certainly, the driving helps,

1103
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: but the end game is getting into the hole. And

1104
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: whenever I ever won a golf tournament, and I didn't

1105
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: win many, because so I remember a lot of them.

1106
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're selling yourself a little short there.

1107
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 2: Well, but when I when I won a tournament, yes

1108
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: I played well, but I putted really really well. Every

1109
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: single time I really putted well. And something else. I

1110
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: always made a key putt coming down the stretch. You

1111
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: always have to hit a shot or make a putt

1112
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: coming down the stretch to win. Nobody ever lets it

1113
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: be easy for you. So you have to perform. But anyway,

1114
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, you got to make putt. Yeah, it's very simple.

1115
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: What's that most you know you talked about hitting a

1116
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: shot down the stretch. Which shot, in your mind is

1117
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: the most memorable one of all the shots.

1118
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: The which qualifies what we were just talking about. The

1119
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: most important shot that ever hit in my life was

1120
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: the bucker shot on the seventy second hole in the

1121
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: US Open in nineteen eighty eight to get in the

1122
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: playoff with Nick Faldough. If I don't hit that bunker

1123
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: shot and get it up and down, then I never

1124
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: have a chance to win. So that's the most important shot.

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: The best shot might have been the one iron in

1126
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: the NC DOUBLEA in seventy four. It might have been

1127
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 2: the foreron on the last hole over water to get

1128
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: in the playoff with Greg Norman in the Houston Open.

1129
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: It might have been mean There's there's three or four

1130
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: that you think about, uh, and I qualify not only

1131
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: were the good shots, they were late Sunday afternoon and

1132
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: they met something when the pressure was on. So I

1133
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: think about those type of shots. It's and and it

1134
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: makes you feel good when you do it, especially because

1135
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: this is what you strive to do, to do it

1136
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: on the stage. And this doesn't starting professional golf. This

1137
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: starts back there. When you're nine and ten years old,

1138
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: you dream about the US Open, you dream about the Masters,

1139
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 2: and so you dream about being on the last hole

1140
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: against Hogan, Snead, you know, Palmer, Nicholas, whoever your heroes

1141
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: might be, and you compete against them in your own imagination.

1142
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: You're hitting three or four balls out there, and so

1143
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: when you finally get there. I've always felt like, you know,

1144
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: you you better have the guts to fail, because you're

1145
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: going to fail a whole lot more than you than

1146
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: you're than you succeed. But you got to when you fail,

1147
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: you got to get back up up. You can't go

1148
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: back in your hole and bury your head for the

1149
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: next three weeks. You know, you've got to be able

1150
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: to get back up there and do it again. And

1151
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: some can do it and some can't. And I enjoyed

1152
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: the competition. I love being in the last group or

1153
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: the late Sunday afternoon because that's when you find out

1154
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: did all this work pay off? Have us succeeded in

1155
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: this game? Can I do this on this grandest stage?

1156
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: And if I can hit those shots, you know, on

1157
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: the last shust under the US Open or wherever it

1158
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: might be, then you know what I've done my work.

1159
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: This is all I can do.

1160
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean golf. You hit on so many

1161
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: things there, but I think one of the I played.

1162
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: I qualified for a mid Am, a US Midam a

1163
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: few years ago, and one of my buddies who I

1164
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,959
Speaker 1: played tournament golf with, we were talking after and he said,

1165
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, you really got to you got to savor

1166
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: this moment because this is the one percent. You know,

1167
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time golf just kicks you

1168
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: in the nuts and says it says, you know, go

1169
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: go try harder, play better next time. But that one

1170
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: percent when you when you pull off the shot or

1171
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: when you when you get it done down the stretch,

1172
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: is like the best feeling in the world.

1173
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely to hit that to hit that five

1174
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: or six iron or whatever club it is right flush,

1175
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: you finish in balance, the ball's going where you're looking.

1176
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: It means a lot, you know, It's just there's nothing

1177
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: like it, and you don't have to hit many of

1178
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: them to keep it coming back. But let's not forget

1179
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: this isn't about professional golf. This is about you qualifying

1180
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: for the Midam or or my son qualifile for the

1181
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: mid Aim some three years ago. And it could be

1182
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: the USM, it could be a college tournament, it could

1183
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: be you could be a you know, an older guy

1184
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: playing amateur golf, senior amate golf, and you're you know,

1185
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: maybe a senior amateur in the senior Open championship. Yeah,

1186
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: club championship. Absolutely. And so it's it's all these stages

1187
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: of golf that that keeps bringing you back when you

1188
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: hit the good shot or you perform when it matters

1189
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: the most.

1190
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: So I got I got a couple of quick questions

1191
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: on the on the way out. Thank you so much

1192
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: for the time. But what's the what's the scariest what's

1193
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: the scariest screen? At wing Foot?

1194
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: Uh, let me think here for a minute. Nine is

1195
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 2: has got a lot of undulation to it, meaning not

1196
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: so much back to front, but a lot of movement.

1197
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: One has a lot of slope from back to front.

1198
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: Three has a tremendous amount of slope from back to front.

1199
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: You know, keep them below the hole is gonna be

1200
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: key there. Putting it in the fair and keep it

1201
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: below the hole. It's pretty simple wing Foot. And again

1202
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: at Wingfoot be an old traditional golf course, everything's right

1203
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: in front of you. There's there's no hidden gems out there.

1204
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: It's right in front of you. It's just it's just

1205
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: a tough test.

1206
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting to see how if

1207
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: the powers nullified a little bit by the rough and

1208
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: the greens there, because those greens, if you're in the rough,

1209
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: can be so tough to get to really control the

1210
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: golf ball.

1211
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: Oh that's and that's the key of the rough, Uh

1212
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: is that? Yeah, you can get it as strong as

1213
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: these players are now, they can get it to the green,

1214
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 2: but you can't control where it's going to stop so much.

1215
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 2: And so therefore, with being a really tough course to

1216
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: get it up and end, now you'll be left with

1217
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: some very very difficult up and ends. And that's that's

1218
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 2: the equalizer at wing foot.

1219
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: And then I stumbled across the story about an old

1220
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: bullseye putter that you had that you so you kind

1221
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: of trashed after a buddy of yours.

1222
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, this is college golf at its finest.

1223
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 2: So I got this old bullseye. My my favorite putter

1224
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: still of all time is the bullseye Plans putter. Okay,

1225
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: you talk about butter feeling soft, feeling U. And so

1226
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: we played a college tournament. I didn't cut well. I

1227
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: was rent and raving on the six hour drive home

1228
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: or whatever. In Jayhawk, who was always on my ass,

1229
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, NonStop, and he's telling me, you know, that

1230
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: putter is not very good for you. You don't your style,

1231
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: your way, that's not very good for you. You should

1232
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: change Pudder's blah blah blah. And finally I had enough

1233
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: and I opened the window of the car running eighty

1234
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: miles an hour down the interstate and dragged this son

1235
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: of a bitch on the asphalt for about three miles

1236
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 2: and destroyed this this, this, this wonderful putter. But I

1237
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: just destroyed it and then let it go and threw

1238
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: it away. Then all of a sudden I look back

1239
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 2: at Jay and he's laughing his ass off, thinking I

1240
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 2: was just kidding you. So that was that was one

1241
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: of the stories of some of the stuff that happens

1242
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: in college golf, which is some of the greatest three

1243
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: years of my life.

1244
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: I wonder how many how many majors you would have

1245
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: gotten with if that, with that old putter.

1246
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: You know, I got a couple I still have in

1247
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: my house that were exact copies of that. Of course,

1248
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: they all they all were a little bit different because

1249
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: they're all so hand ground. Back in the day. But

1250
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: those putters, I putted with him my whole life until

1251
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: I finally went to the Zing two back in about

1252
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: middle to late eighties, middle eighties. But you know, when

1253
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: you when you look at these modern day putters, they're

1254
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: big and their spaith balance and they're solid, but they

1255
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: had big sweet spots. You talk about the old cash inns,

1256
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 2: the old bull's eyes, the old this or that. You

1257
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 2: talk about small sweet spots, but when you put it well,

1258
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: there was no feeling like it.

1259
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's Everybody talks about the driver and

1260
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: how forgiving it is, and the ball, and I think

1261
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: one of the other big things is the putter. Just

1262
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: hitting even in nineteen ninety five, putter versus today is

1263
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: so much harder to putt well with it because if

1264
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: you miss it just a little, you're going to end

1265
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: up ten feet short.

1266
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, But I think the putters in the clubs

1267
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: being bigger, bigger sweet spots have even professionals, we've gotten

1268
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: a little careless in our striking, in our putting. If

1269
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: you went back to the old equipment, you would adjust quickly,

1270
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 2: but you would adjust by being more exact, because you

1271
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 2: know you have to be exactly I went back to

1272
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: Blade Irons three or four years ago, titles Blade Irons

1273
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 2: for that simple reason, I said, I came out of

1274
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: the room playing blades. I'm going back the gray playing blades.

1275
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: And because you have to be more exact, and and

1276
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: I think it makes you play better and and and

1277
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: and and just I don't know. I like the look

1278
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: in the field. And maybe I'm a little stubborn.

1279
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a I have an old person and

1280
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: driver that sometimes when I'm struggling with the driver, I'll

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Speaker 1: bring that out and I have to focus so much

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Speaker 1: on just hitting it solid that it just gets everything

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Speaker 1: kind of back into place exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's all. I mean, everything back in the place.

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Speaker 2: You concentrate on what you're doing, and and and and

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Speaker 2: you hit it really well, you really do. H Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Curtis, thanks so much for for the time.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to have you on again maybe around uh

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Speaker 1: maybe around a major and UH really going to miss

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Speaker 1: you not being on TV with Fox this year, and

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Speaker 1: uh and thanks again, well.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Thanks for those comments, and always enjoy

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Speaker 2: talking about the game of golf. It's it's been a

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Speaker 2: great it's been a great uh life for me and

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Speaker 2: a career, and I still think about it every day.

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Speaker 2: Even though I don't play much, I still think about

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Speaker 2: it every day. So thanks for having me on