1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at Breaking Points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: When do we have crystal. 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of big breaking news and a 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: few big announcements here at Breaking Points as well, so 14 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a minute. So first of all, 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: TikTok very much on his way to being banned. We'll 16 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: break that down for you in the context of some 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: exclusive new breaking points, pull numbers, big stuff, so get 18 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: excited for that one. We also have, while TikTok is 19 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: being banned, wars are being fully funded. We'll show you 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: what President Biden has to say about that. Bibi nat 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Yahoo says that American students who are protesting are basically Nazis. 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: This comes amid a massive crackdown more than one hundred 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: arrests that happened yesterday and overnight, so we'll bring you 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the very latest there, and it is truly astonishing what 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: is happening right now. Idaho's abortion ban, which is nearly 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: a complete abortion ban, was at the Supreme Court yesterday. 27 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Some very interesting dynamics in the arguments and push back there, 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: so we'll bring some of that to you and what 29 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: it could mean for the future of abortion rights in 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: the country. An invasion of RAFA now appears imminent. We'll 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: tell you what the latest signs are and the latest 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: out of the Gaza strip and saga. 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: I'm very excited for your monologue today. 34 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Is looking at the eerie parallels with nineteen sixty eight, 35 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: which is something which has been much commented on recently, 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: especially in the context of these campus protests and crackdown. 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: This is honestly, even I was surprised at the amount 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: of parallel so that there are. 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: I think people will enjoy it. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, so before we get to any of that, though, 41 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: if you guys watch Counterpoints yesterday, you already know the 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: big news. We are going to be a Monday through 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Friday big organization Emily and Ryan. You guys asked me 44 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: more Emily and Ryan. We are giving you more. 45 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: Emily and Ryan. 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: They're going to do a Friday show starting tomorrow and 47 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: they have a very interesting guest which we can reveal here. 48 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: Now you can put this up on the screen right 49 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: and Emily with Don Lemon so, I actually i haven't 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: watched the interview yet. 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So, as Crystal teed up, that legislation 105 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: on TikTok officially has both moved from the House of 106 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: Representatives through the United States Senate and now sign by 107 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: President Biden. So what does it actually do and what 108 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: does it mean TikTok. The previous iteration of the legislation, 109 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: Crystal had one hundred and eighty days in which TikTok 110 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: would have had to divest itself of bike Dance in 111 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 2: his parent company. 112 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: The extension has now moved to three hundred and. 113 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: Sixty five days, very strategically, I would add, by President Biden. 114 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: So it does not happen before the twenty twenty four election. 115 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: In fact, what. 116 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 1: I saw at least is that if the band does 117 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: go through, what happened like literally the day after if 118 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Trump were to win. 119 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: He was, yeah, no, that's correct. 120 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in here very intentional because they know how 121 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: much this is going to be objectly hated by young 122 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: Americans Welton. 123 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: Stick that would be if by Dance asides not to 124 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: sell it. So this is where we should then get 125 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: to the CEO of TikTok, who is now revealing their 126 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: new strategy. TikTok spent approximately seven million dollars lobbying against 127 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: the bill. Obviously they were not successful, and their new 128 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: phase that they're moving into is a legal battle challenging 129 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: this in US core based on First Amendment grounds. 130 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to the CEO of TikTok and 131 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: his response. 132 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 5: Hi, everyone, the show here. As you may have heard, 133 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 5: Congress passed the bill that the presidents signed into law 134 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 5: that has designed to ban TikTok in the United States 135 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 5: that will take TikTok away from you and one hundred 136 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 5: and seventy million Americans who find community and connection on 137 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: the All platform. 138 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 6: Make no mistake. 139 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 5: This is a band a ban on TikTok, and a 140 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 5: band on you and your voice. Politicians may say otherwise, 141 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: but don't get confused. Many who sponsored the bill admit 142 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 5: a TikTok ban is the ultimate goal. It is obviously 143 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 5: a disappointing movement, but it does not need to be 144 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 5: a defining one. It's actually ironic because the freedom of 145 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 5: expression on TikTok reflects the same American values that make 146 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 5: the United States a beacon of freedom. TikTok gives everyday 147 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 5: Americans a powerful way to be seen and heard, and 148 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 5: that's why so many people have made TikTok part of 149 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 5: their daily lives. Rest assured, we aren't going anywhere. We 150 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 5: are confident that we will keep fighting for your rights 151 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 5: in the courts. Throughout US data security efforts. We have 152 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 5: built safeguards that no other pure company has made. We 153 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: have invested billions of dollars to secure your data and 154 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: keep our platform free from outside manipulation. 155 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: All right, So there we got it is going to 156 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: be the legal battle of the century. This is a 157 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: multi billion dollar product. From what I've been able to 158 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: glean so far, this is going to be based on 159 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: a First Amendment interpretation and challenge of the law. They 160 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: will argue that it violates the free speech rights of 161 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: users to have the app content that's banned if it 162 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: does result in a removal from US markets. However, what 163 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: they're going to run up against is that the previous 164 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: time when President Trump tried to ban TikTok, and I 165 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: think it was in twenty twenty, based upon an executive order, 166 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: it was a similar pursuit of action, which was a 167 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 2: for sale and or ban. Investors in Byte Dance, people 168 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: like Jeff Yass, who is one of Trump's major campaign 169 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: donors and was very influential on getting him to reverse 170 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: they were actually successfully crystal able to sue in US 171 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: courts arguing that their rights as investors were infringed upon 172 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: by the government. This legislation was authored specifically to have 173 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: a congressional authorization that comes in the form of a 174 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: foreign export control which has long survived congressional court challenge. 175 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: So unless Byetance sells it, it does not look like 176 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: TikTok will survive the year, and I don't know what 177 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: by Dance is going to do, but they're very likely 178 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: not going to make a final decision until any of 179 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: these court cases do come But it's possible this one 180 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: goes to the Supreme Court. But just based again what 181 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: people that I've spoken to, they don't expect this to 182 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: be able to survive any challenge. 183 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 4: So President Biden, given you your way. 184 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with it, but we can talk a 185 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: little bit about why exactly we got here. 186 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: Let's talk about that. 187 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Actually, I want you to be able to Yeah, I 188 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: mean we're about to share some poll numbers and listen. 189 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: By the way, plenty of the members who were in 190 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: favor of this were quite explicit they're banning TikTok because 191 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: they don't like the fact that young people on the 192 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: platform were seeing the scenes of horror out of Gaza. 193 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: They don't like the fact that you were able to 194 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: bypass mainstream news. 195 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: They don't like the fact that pro. 196 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: Palestine content was wildly more popular on TikTok than the 197 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: pro Israel line. And so they were quite explicit that 198 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: that's why they're moving forward with this ban and frankly, 199 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I think we should all find that terrifying. You know, 200 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: they're picking up on this Chinese connection to ban TikTok. 201 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Let's say it is bought by Steve Manuchin. Is that 202 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: better he has ties to Israel and Saudi Arabia. 203 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: And make no mistake. 204 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: If they decide they don't like the tenor of the 205 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: discourse on any other platform, well now they've got a 206 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: roadmap to do the exact same thing to Twitter to 207 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to show you some poll numbers 208 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: showing that actually the most pro Palestine individuals get their 209 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: news from podcasts and YouTube, So we're certainly not. 210 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: Safe here either. 211 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: So we should see this ban as being of a 212 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: piece with the campus crackdown that we're going to cover 213 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: later in the show. And oh, by the way, under 214 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the radar, someone was you know, who's quite knowledgeable on policy, 215 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: was noting on Twitter that they're also coming after the 216 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: nonprofit status of pro Palestine organizations. So listen, people who 217 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: are in power are very concerned that they've clearly lost 218 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: the debate on Israel right sixty forty against military aid. 219 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: In terms of Americans, you have majority of Biden voter 220 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: saying it's a genocide. You have people, a majority of 221 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Americans now disapproving of Israel's actions in the Gaza strip. 222 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: So rather than change course, rather than admit that the 223 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: people are not with this course of action under the 224 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,479 Speaker 1: Biden administration and do something from a different policy perspective, 225 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: or just acknowledge like I've lost the debate, Instead they're 226 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: going with banning expression, trying to crack down on freedom 227 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: of expression on campuses, trying to crack down on the 228 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: platforms that they feel like are fueling this objection to 229 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: genocide that's unfolding, and that's what this TikTok ban is 230 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: really about. And I think we can put up a 231 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: two on the screen because this really underscores this point. 232 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: This is quite extraordinary. 233 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: So one of the things we did and are pulling 234 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: where we have a lot more data to gets you guys, 235 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: we just honestly haven't had a chance to go through 236 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: all of it and sort through it. So next week 237 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: you can look forward to a lot more data that 238 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: we got from this pull from Jail Partners that we conducted, 239 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: which is largely about Israel and Palestine. One of the 240 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: things we wanted to focus on is okay how are 241 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: people getting their news and how is that related to 242 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: their views on Israel and Palestine. Look at these word 243 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: clouds when you ask people in these different age demographics, Okay, 244 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: where do you get your news from? Look at eighteen 245 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: to twenty nine. TikTok, big bold letters. It's like the 246 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: most clear of any of them, by the way, fifty 247 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: plus all like Fox is such a. 248 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: Big, big part of their news, which is over the oh, 249 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: it's terrifying. 250 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,119 Speaker 1: Thirty to forty nine, you've got YouTube and CNN basically 251 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: tied for number one in terms of their news consumption. 252 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: But for the purposes of this conversation, just look at 253 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: how influential TikTok is for that eighteen to twenty nine demographic. 254 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: And if we can put the next slide up on 255 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: the screen, you can see now. I think that remember 256 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: that correlation is not causation. Okay, So the fact that 257 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: younger people get their news from TikTok and they're more 258 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: pro Palestine doesn't necessarily mean that TikTok influenced their opinions. 259 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: I think young younger generations have shown to be different 260 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: ideologically in a lot of respects from older generations. But 261 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: just look at these numbers. When you ask okay, has 262 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: Israel committed war crimes? You have a majority fifty four 263 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: percent of people who get their news from podcasts and 264 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: YouTube saying yes, only twenty three percent saying no. Similar 265 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: numbers with TikTok, Instagram, ax, so other social media outlets, 266 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: forty nine percent say yes, Israel has committed war crimes 267 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: and only fifteen percent say no. The remainder are unsure, 268 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: and those are significantly different from people who get their 269 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: news either through cable news or print media. With cable news, 270 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: you have only thirty two percent saying Israel's committed war 271 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: crimes and thirty four percent so the plurality saying that 272 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: they have not. So this is the reason that TikTok 273 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: is being targeted right now. I have already had our 274 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: debate about whether we want TikTok to be targeted, but 275 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you can deny that this is what 276 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: has motivated this. 277 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: To happen, right I will be very honest. I think 278 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: it is absolutely because of Palestine. The reason is the 279 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: thing is, though sometimes the enemy of your enemy is 280 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: your friend. And I've been talking about this long before Palestine, 281 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: or I mean, I think I have very first segment 282 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: I ever dine on TikTok was twenty eighteen, whenever I 283 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: was a guest host on Rising. So, just so people 284 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: want to know about my bona fides on the issue, 285 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: I accused you of just being I've been against. 286 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: This for a long time. 287 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: I believe it is a basic market fairness provision where 288 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: our companies are banned their country and thus they should 289 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: not be allowed in hours. I would have banned it 290 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen, long before it ever got to 291 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy million Americans. Now that's said, you know, 292 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'm going to take 293 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: it because this is a market fairness position which I 294 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: vehemently have always been a proponent of. I believe strongly 295 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: and reciprocal trade policy against all countries. One day Israel 296 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: Palestine will end, but TikTok, China and all that that 297 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: ain't going anywhere. 298 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: So if this is what it takes, so be it now. 299 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: The reason that I don't I do disagree though, is 300 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: that if you notice the podcast and YouTube number on 301 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: that one is actually larger than TikTok for people, So 302 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: YouTube is not going anywhere. YouTube is a US company. 303 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: Twitter is a US company. All of these other companies 304 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: are podcasting platforms, et cetera. Even Spotify, although a Swedish 305 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: traded in US markets, None of those have any danger 306 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: of getting banned. Under this all free expression will continue. 307 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: All of these what is it these platforms and alternative 308 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: ones which will be able to post dissidant what, dissident 309 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: facts and dissonant narratives, et cetera, will be fine. You 310 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: can still watch Instagram or any of these other places. 311 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: And by the way, this is my main objection on 312 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: the Steve Nushen things. Stephen Ushan is a US citizen. 313 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: You know, he actually is under our jurisdiction. We can 314 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: control him. We can pass a law. If people feel 315 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: so strongly, then we can certainly put in free speech previsage, 316 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: which I absolutely one hundred percent support for all social 317 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: media companies, not just TikTok, Instagram, et cetera. Any potential 318 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: buyer of TikTok would have to be comply with US courts. 319 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,119 Speaker 3: The Chinese they don't. They're not Americans. 320 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, those people are a 321 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: geopolitical rival who have a direct interest in fomenting whatever 322 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: they want. 323 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: Now what are they fomenting here? I have no idea. 324 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: Okay, the Chinese, they don't particularly care about pales sign. 325 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: They're just one of those people. They love chaos here. 326 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: And I would say there's a reason that they've banned 327 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: our tech companies in their country because they want them 328 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: to have no influence. 329 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: Now, they do want like basically also media for kids. 330 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: That's not no, that's not very limitedly. 331 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: They have their own TikTok version which has a different algorithm, 332 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: and they. 333 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Have saying they have much more regulations perhaps of what 334 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: kids can do. You probably support. 335 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: It's complicated. 336 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Let me just say though, Okay, let's say that your YouTube. 337 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Let's say that you're I mean Elon Musk. He does 338 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: whatever he does, so let's kind of put him to 339 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: the side. 340 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: But let's talk about YouTube. 341 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: We've seen the way that the government puts pressure on 342 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: them to censor. So are they gonna like completely take 343 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: down YouTube. No, But after YouTube executives have seen the 344 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: way that they were willing to come for TikTok because 345 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: they were allowing content that the powers that be didn't like. 346 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: You don't think they're going to get that message time 347 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: they get one of their little friendly requests on the administration. 348 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: Of course they are, So you know, I think this 349 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: opens the floodgates. I think it's naked censorship. I think 350 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: it's clearly because they didn't like what happened on the platform. 351 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 4: And once you. 352 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: Justify one massive social media company being banned under that context, 353 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: I think you've opened Pandora's box. 354 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: And the last thing I'll say is listen. 355 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Number one, even the Intel agencies have admitted that any 356 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: like Chinese data problem is purely hypothetical. 357 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: Okay, No one's been able to. 358 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Lay out like, Okay, here's exactly the problem, here's exactly 359 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: what we're concerned about. 360 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: That's number one. 361 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Number Two, if you're concerned about data privacy, pass a 362 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: data privacy law that applies to everyone, that doesn't just 363 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: take out this one platform because you don't like the 364 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: views that are being expressed. 365 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: Again, my counter would be this is that if a 366 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: government is censoring of social media companies like YouTube and 367 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: all that, you and I, as citizens of a journalist organization, 368 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: can submit a Freedom of Information Act request and we 369 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: can get access to that. We can sue the government, 370 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: We can pressure our Congress to actually enable legislation. We 371 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: have no zero visibility on the ability to do that 372 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: with TikTok. Second, you know, and what you're saying, I mean, 373 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: let's think about this and really extrapolate it. If Israel 374 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: owned TikTok, I mean, I think I know what your 375 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: position would be, and I would support it too. I 376 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: would say fuck them. I would say absolutely we can 377 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: force the sale of TikTok. Now would our Congress ban TikTok? No, 378 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: probably not. But if Israel any foreign government, and I 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: really mean this has that amount of influence over an 380 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: American company or an American populace, and has that amount 381 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: of data penetration, I would say absolutely not. So this 382 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: is not about me singling out China. I'm saying I 383 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: believe strictly in market fairness. If Israel ban Facebook, Twitter, 384 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: et cetera, and they own the largest social media platform 385 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: in America, I would say absolutely not, You're not owning 386 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: this company. And again on the YouTube front, that is 387 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: an American company. We have jurisdiction, we have the democratic 388 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: process that we can work through. 389 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 3: We have no say on TikTok content policy. 390 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: Even on data privacy, Let's say that we did pass 391 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: some data privacy law and transparency, et cetera. It still 392 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't get to the algorithmic and influence changes that would 393 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: happen from the Chinese Communist Party. 394 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: And I also would dispute what you said. 395 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I've done a lot of monologues here about 396 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: how bike Dance and the CCP does directly control a 397 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: lot of TikTok and specifically has those people answer them 398 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: and have used them for spying purposes on US citizens. 399 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: This is out there in the public. The CEO directly 400 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: lied to Congress. It is a unique situation. 401 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, let's say, data that is available to them 402 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: via you know, owning TikTok is also like available for 403 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: sale anywhere. So it's not like getting rid of TikTok 404 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: gets rid of access to this data. 405 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: It is true, Well, then. 406 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 3: They can buy it. 407 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: They can buy it on the dark web like the 408 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: Russians do. They're not going to at least get it 409 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: handed to the bar the US. My fine, I don't 410 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: care about that at the very least. 411 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: Why do you care about it when it comes from 412 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: TikTok but not when it comes from you know, other sources. 413 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: Because it is a foreign government that has direct control 414 00:18:59,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: of a U. 415 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: I think you're listen. 416 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: I know that you are genuine and also consistent in 417 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: these principles. I just really disagree about both the means 418 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: in which this was done and also that I mean, 419 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think that American data is 420 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: any safer from getting rid of TikTok or forcing it 421 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: to be sold to Steve Manduchin, who does have these, 422 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, foreign government entangles and entanglements in his own agenda, 423 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. I don't see that as a superior situation. 424 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: And now you have passed this bill explicitly under the 425 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: pretense of we don't like what's on this platform, so 426 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: we are going to ban it. 427 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: Now, yes, there's stuff in. 428 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: There about China and data and whatever, But if you 429 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: don't think that that same logic is going to be 430 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: applied elsewhere, or that other platforms aren't going to look 431 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: at how heavy handed this is and say, gosh, we 432 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: don't want that to happen to us, I guess we 433 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: better crack down on these pro Palestine voices or on 434 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: shows like ours or podcasts that are similar. I just 435 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: think that that's really I think it's naive. 436 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from. I read the legislation 437 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: very thoroughly. There is no danger for YouTube, podcast, Twitter, rumble, 438 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: any of the companies that people have been worried about. 439 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: If there was to be a danger, and this is 440 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: people are like, well, they could come after Elon because 441 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: he does a lot of business in China. I'm like, well, 442 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: first of all, you probably shouldn't be doing a lot 443 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: of business in China. They're Elon, But number two, that's 444 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: not even true because they don't own a twenty five 445 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: percent or whatever stake in the company. 446 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: Like, the legislation is very very thing. 447 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about this legislation. I'm talking about 448 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: what you've opened the door to. The precedent has now 449 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: been set that Congress can move and act if they 450 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: don't like the content that's on a platform. 451 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 4: There's no putting that back in the box. 452 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: I would put it this way. 453 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 5: Then. 454 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: I believe in much higher taxes for the rich if Republicans, 455 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: and I also believe in one hundred percent endowment tax. 456 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: So if Republicans are like, hey, we need to tax 457 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: Columbia's endowment for anti Semitism, I'd be like, listen, I 458 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: think that's dumb, but take it. You know, because I'm 459 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: gonna nupe them with it whatever I can in the 460 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: political system. If we can get taxes for the ultra 461 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: wealthy through and realistically have to work through the US 462 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: political system, and whatever their stupid impetuses are, fine, I mean, 463 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: that's just at the end of the day, that's what 464 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: politics is. If you have things that you want for 465 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: a desired outcome, then you have to work within the 466 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: constraints that you have. 467 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: I agree. 468 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: Look, my principles will never be compromised, but in terms 469 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: of desired end states, if they hit Columbia with one 470 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: hundred percent of downment tax for anti Semitism, it's going 471 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: to have the same net effect that I want. Regardless, now, 472 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: I will continue to fight and I would say that 473 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 2: it was dumb to do so. 474 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: I think it's dumb to. 475 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: Do this now, and I certainly agree in terms of 476 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: rhetorical precedent, I don't think you're wrong at all. But 477 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: there is a reality to working within the US political 478 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: system and getting things done. I mean, this is something 479 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: that we all recognize. For the end states of what 480 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: we want, Disparate coalitions can come together for different things. Now, 481 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't support the vast majority of the rest of 482 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: the package or any of that. But you know, I 483 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: mean just think, like, think about the tax counterfactual. If 484 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: we got higher taxes on like a lot currently a 485 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: lot of Republicans. The way that they want to tax 486 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: the ultra wealthy is we need to tax opponents. 487 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, fine. 488 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's like, let's take it. Let's take what 489 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: we can get. I don't think it's necessarily a good impetus. 490 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: But if that leads to a blanket you know, ultra 491 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: millionaire reduction in nepotism and in generational wealth, I'm fine 492 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: with that. 493 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: See, I don't agree with that because if because there's 494 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: a limit, you know, obviously, look, there's there's cases where 495 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well I don't have the argument that 496 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: you're making for this, but I like the o income. 497 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: So fine. 498 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: But let's say let's let's just take your example. Let's 499 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: say the argument to tax Colombia's endowment or raise taxes 500 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: on the rich or whatever is like, they're Nazi, so 501 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: we have. 502 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: To tax them. 503 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: Well, again, once you are going down the pathway of 504 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: we're going to use the power of the state against 505 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: people whose political ideology we don't like, that's a really 506 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: slippery slope to all sorts of outcomes that I don't want, 507 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: And I mean to start with, I don't want. 508 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 4: This outcome with TikTok. 509 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: So it's not really an applicable example here, but you know, 510 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: just to we have one more slide we can put 511 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: up here that under scores why this is happening right now. 512 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: So the question here is, you know, who do you 513 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: feel more sympathy with Israel or the Palestinians. And if 514 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: you look at print media, if you look at cable news, 515 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: very clear pluralities in favor of Israel. If you look 516 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: at TikTok, and if you look at podcasts, it's totally 517 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: flipped the TikTok social media folks a third say they're 518 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: more sympathetic with Palestinians. Only twenty percent say they're more 519 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: sympathetic with Israel. Similar numbers with podcasts and YouTube, twenty 520 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: six percent say they're more sympathetic with Palestinians, twenty one 521 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: percent say they're more sympathetic with Israel. 522 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 4: So you know, I just I look. 523 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: At these numbers, and especially since the podcast YouTube piece 524 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: is similar to the social media piece, like that's the 525 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: next logical target, and you can see what's happening, you know, 526 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: right now on cause campuses. 527 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: You can see how much energy this has. 528 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent support in the Republican Caucus and 529 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: probably like percent supported within the Democratic Caucus. So you've 530 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: now got this bipartisan consensus in favor of we're going 531 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: to ban platforms, We're going to crack down and like 532 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: the most authoritarian police state way imaginable. All the things 533 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: that I was like terrified under Trump are actually happening 534 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: now with this bipartisan anti Palestine, anti Palestinian human rights 535 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: coalition that has come together in this context to severely 536 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: crack down on our rights because they don't like the 537 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: conclusions that the American people are coming to. 538 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: I do not disagree with you in terms of the protesters, 539 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: it's specifically in this case. I will say, look, if 540 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: they do come for YouTube, podcast, RSS, feed encryption, et cetera, 541 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: I'll be right there on the front lines with you, 542 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: and I will be marching. And if I here's it, Okay, 543 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: here's another one, since I've had to eat a stock 544 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: before on camera. If they use this specific legislation to 545 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: target any single other company as many bad faith. Critics 546 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: of this bill have claimed, I will eat another sock 547 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: right here on the camera. 548 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's humanly possible. 549 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: Every lawyer that I've spoken to, everything that we're down 550 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: the line is talking about hypotheticals. And again, if and 551 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: when there is some some bipartisan consensus directly to censored 552 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: this program, podcasting, Rumble, Twitter, YouTube with Snapchat, any of 553 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 2: these other US based companies, Facebook, Instagram, I will radically 554 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 2: oppose it, and I do not believe actually it would 555 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: pass in the same way. And those companies have a 556 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: lot more rights than TikTok does because they are actually 557 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: US flagged and traded on a US public market. 558 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: So it seems to me that in terms of the 559 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: China agenda, Joe Biden has done a lot of the 560 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: things that were on your wish list. 561 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: I continue the. 562 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: Tariffs, well hips sacks, but that's actually up for branning tiktoks. 563 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: You're gonna give them some credit. 564 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: Sure, I'll give them credit, absolutely. I mean, who championed 565 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: the chipsack me? I said, your SAA, that was great. 566 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not necessarily saying everything the man had 567 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: done is bad. 568 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: He pulled out of Afghanistan. I supported it. 569 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: I support the Chipsack, I support the TikTok legislation. I'm 570 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: trying to think what else has he done on China? 571 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: On the tariffs, he kept the Trump tariffs. 572 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: But would you say, from your perspective, he's been better 573 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: on China than Trump. 574 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 2: No, I don't think you could say that in terms 575 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: of in terms of actual execution. The only things he 576 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: really built on were chips Act. Even here on TikTok, 577 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't actually propose it. Congress is the one. 578 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: Is getting done under him. 579 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: You guys. But I'm not saying that he's. 580 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: Trumps book club now he's on the other side. 581 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: It is true, absolutely, I was comparing it to his 582 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: record for the tariffs. I would give Trump more credit 583 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: because he actually fought against the establishment to put it in. 584 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: Biden simply renewed it. 585 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: In terms of how the two would govern on Trump, 586 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: I genuinely have no idea which way you would go the. 587 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: Next time around. 588 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Biden also, though, has been very very different in terms 589 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: of some like fake climate policy whenever he's done with China, 590 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: which I do not support, and there's a couple of 591 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: other things. But yeah, I mean, look, you're not wrong. 592 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: He's done certainly some of the things that I would 593 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: have advocated for. And as the chorus, I think I 594 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: could say too that you will ask me. I have 595 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: given him credit where I think he deserves it. 596 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. No, it is it is absolutely one 597 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: of my core issues, no question. 598 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the things we agree upon 599 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: and both hate. 600 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: Let's go to wars. 601 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, these wars were definitely both going to be against 602 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: jee President Joe Biden. He has come out and now 603 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: said that the one hundred billion dollars we will be 604 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: shipping to foreign wars, both in Israel and Ukraine, will 605 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: bring peace and peace and strength in our land, and 606 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: very much in the way that Neville Chamberlain once did 607 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: in Munich in nineteen thirty eight. 608 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 3: Here was his remarks when he signed the legislation. 609 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 7: It's a good day for America. It's a good day 610 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 7: for European it's a good day for world peace and 611 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 7: for real, this is consequential. I just signed in the 612 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 7: law of the National Security Package that was passed by 613 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 7: the House Representatives this weekend and by the Senate yesterday. 614 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 7: It's going to make America safer it's going to make 615 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 7: the world safer, and it continues America's leadership in the world, 616 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 7: and everyone knows it gives vital support to America's partners 617 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 7: and so they can defend themselves against threats to their 618 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 7: sovereignty and lives and freedom of their citizens. And it's 619 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 7: an investment in our own security because when our allies 620 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 7: are stronger, and I want to make this burn again 621 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 7: and again, when our allies are stronger, we are stronger. 622 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: There you go, When our allies are stronger, we are stronger. 623 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: This is going to be all about peace through strength. 624 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: It's funny. 625 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: The reason I put that Munich and dig in there, 626 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: Crystal is that they often try and use that against opponents, 627 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: and I'm going to try and start weaponizing it and 628 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: say no, no, no, Actually you're the chamberlains because they're like, 629 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: this is if everything is peace through strength, or everything 630 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: is peace in our time, then nothing is peace in 631 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 2: our time. And in fact, this is just fundling an 632 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: endless war machine. But something I was remarking to you 633 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: while the clip was happening, which I just find amazing, 634 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: is you know we've all watched Biden now for several years. 635 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: This man you know, he is falling apart on the camera, 636 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: loses his way even here. He had a gaff later on, 637 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: but in this moment you could see a glint in 638 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: his eyes. And just look at the religion that these 639 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: people feel whenever they are sending our money and weapons 640 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: to foreign countries so that they can continue to fight 641 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: pointless and endless wars which are keeping us less safe. 642 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: That's actually what struck me most about the clip. It 643 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: wasn't just the rhetoric. Is he truly he was alive 644 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: in that moment, from one of those brief times where 645 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: you could see the glimmer and the glint in his eyes. 646 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: And that's what gets these people going, especially Biden is 647 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: funding Ukraine and funding Israel. 648 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: You really see it in that. 649 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what to say about 650 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: this crap anymore. Like it's just sickening to me. It's 651 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: sickening to me, you know, especially with regard to Israel. 652 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: Like here we are watching an imminent invasion of Rafa, 653 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: which five seconds ago the media was claiming it was 654 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: a red line for Biden. Now it's about to happen 655 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: or have ampted up strikes most severe in Goza that 656 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: we've had in a while unfolding as he's claiming this 657 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: is for peace, like it's disgusting, it's disgusting, it's insulting 658 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: that he thinks any of us would buy this crap. 659 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: And you know, it just makes you despaired that there's 660 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: like an ounce of democracy left in this country, because 661 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: look at what's unfolding across the Look at the way 662 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: that Americans have shifted against this war. Look at how 663 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: majorities of Americans have been for a ceasefire from the 664 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: very early days. And now those numbers, which we also 665 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: have some in our poll that we can bring you. 666 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: Next week, are overwhelming. 667 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: There's a bipartisan consensus among the American people in favor 668 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: of among Republicans, Democrats, and independence, in favor of stopping 669 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: the slaughter in Gaza. And he's out here talking, oh, 670 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: this is going to bring peace. 671 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 4: It's sick. 672 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: And on Ukraine, listen, you know it's I think the 673 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: Ukrainian piece is frankly more complicated. But what's the goal here, 674 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: what's the end plan? How are you going to say 675 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: this money is going to fund peace when all it 676 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: does is lead to more war. I mean, that's the 677 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: bottom line. But the next piece you highlighted this, you 678 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: can explain this. 679 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: Let's up there please. 680 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: You know we're instantly now shipping long range missiles to Ukraine. 681 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm the type that the Biden administration previously said like, oh, no, 682 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: we don't want to do that because we might risk 683 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: a provocation with Russia. Now Here we frickin are And again, 684 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: what's the plan? If you've got a plan for peace, 685 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: we would dearly love to know how these billions of 686 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: dollars are going to lead to anything more than the 687 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: continued slaughter of Ukrainian men. 688 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so these longer range missiles were ones that we 689 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: refuse to send to Ukraine out of fear that they 690 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: would escalate the war with Russia. Now this is actually 691 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: a duel betrayal because not only has Biden reversed his 692 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: policy and sent these missiles to Ukraine, which they then 693 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: used in the last two weeks to strike deep inside 694 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: of Russian tour territory, including into Crimea, but also that 695 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: they shipped these weapons to the Ukrainians and allowed them 696 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: to use the most offensive weapons to date at the 697 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: very same time that we were all debating Ukraine aid 698 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: in Congress that their most offensive weapons that we've given 699 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: to Ukraine, which are the most destabilizing towards Russian communications 700 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: line and Russian territory. We're given to them at exactly 701 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 2: the same time that we were all debating Ukraine AID. 702 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: Now, why do you think that all is? 703 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: It's so that none of us were to actually realize 704 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: both the Ukrainian desire to actually bring the war to Russia, 705 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: to actually make sure that we get pulled into the 706 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: war with Russia, but second, so that all of us 707 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: don't debate and understand the stakes of an extra sixty billion. 708 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: Dollars to this dangerous regime. 709 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 2: Second is that is very clear in terms of the 710 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: artillery numbers that are now acknowledged by the Ukrainian General 711 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: staff in the Ukrainian military that they have put out 712 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: there publicly. 713 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: At best, given their current. 714 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: Fires rate where they are right now for defense, they 715 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: will run out of artillery in one year, and that 716 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: the Russian artillery advantage will remain of five to one. 717 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 2: So all we have done is fund the continued slaughter 718 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 2: of these Ukrainian men and give them the ability to 719 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: continue losing the way that they have lost. And when 720 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: we consider what the Russian negotiators ask them for this 721 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: is another canard which is driving me nuts. Now that 722 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: all the documents are public from those peace talks in 723 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, you know what the Russians wanted. They're like, look, 724 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: well stop where we are, and you guys just have 725 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: to agree to neutrality. 726 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 3: That's it. 727 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: They kept saying neutrality, neutrality, and neutrality andutrality. You can't 728 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: join NATO, you can't join NATO, you can't join NATO. 729 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: And everyone's like, this war is not about NATO. Well 730 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: then why whenever the actual war was going on and 731 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 2: they were trying to get concessions with the Ukrainians, did 732 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: they say just say that you won't join NATO. 733 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 3: That's it. So if that's really all that we could get, 734 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: that's all. 735 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: We have to do is tell them like, hey, guys, 736 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna give you some weapons, a little 737 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: bit of security guarantee on the side, not you know, 738 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: full blown war, but you're not going to join NATO 739 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: and then we could all just move on with our 740 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: lives and there could be peace or at least lack 741 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: of conflict for now in Eastern Europe. 742 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: How is that not. 743 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: Worth it compared to you know where we are right now. 744 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: It's madness. 745 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: Well here's the thing, like, here's what they'd say, Well, 746 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: you can't trust Podin. They Okay, we may say that, 747 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: but you know he's just going to use that as 748 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: an excuse to then continue his. 749 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: March through Europe or whatever the hell. 750 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: And listen, maybe maybe I severely doubt it, because it's 751 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: not like this has been really great for Russia either, 752 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: especially at that point. 753 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 4: But there's one way to find out. And then if 754 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 4: this was. 755 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: Just a pretext to then go and break the agreement 756 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: immediately and move into you, then we can act accordingly. 757 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: But you have to do peace deals with people you 758 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: don't like or trust, with nation state governments that you don't. 759 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: Like or trust. That's the way that it works. 760 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: So listen, we know what's going on here, because even 761 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, in our lives, we've seen the way that 762 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: these the logic of these wars just continues and continues 763 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: and continues. Because think about President Biden. Okay, the truly 764 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: courageous thing that he did on foreign policy is to 765 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: withdraw from Afghanistan, and nothing hurt him more in terms 766 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: of his approval ratings and in terms of media coverage 767 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: than that actually truly courageous thing that he did, which 768 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: was to say, Nope, I am not just gonna continue 769 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: to fund and support the status quo and kick the 770 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: cand to the next guy and hope that they clean 771 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: up this, you know, multi decade mess and utter foreign 772 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: policy catastrophe. I'm going to actually do it. And it 773 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: was a disaster for him Politically, it was a disaster 774 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: for him. I think that's outrageous, but that's reality and 775 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: they're not stupid. So now we're settling into an endless 776 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: status quo in Ukraine where there is. 777 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: Not even any talk of it ending. 778 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: It's just we're going to continue to spend this money 779 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: and write another check and whatever we need to do. 780 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: We've got our little pro Ukraine consensus. We've got Trump 781 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: on board. Now, we got McConnell, we got a Keen Jeffries, 782 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: we got Mike Johnson, we got Joe Biden, like we 783 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: got a lock on both parties to just continue funding 784 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: this thing forever and never have to take the heat 785 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: over because imagine, imagine that Biden did what we would 786 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: want him to do, and he actually said, you know what, 787 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: we're not funding this anymore. We're pushing both parties the 788 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: negotiating table. We have to bring this thing to a conclusion. 789 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: He would be slaughtered by the press. It would be 790 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: over for his realaction. I mean, that's the reality because 791 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: of the way it would be covered right now preposterously. 792 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: The area that he has the highest approval ratings on 793 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: in many polls is his handling of the Ukraine War. 794 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: So that's how these things become ten twenty year engagements, 795 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: because these presidents realize that to actually do the right 796 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: thing and bring this to some sort of conclusion, which 797 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: we know would require Ukraine giving up some part of 798 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: territory after they promised not one inch and we're going 799 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: to take back not only the Dunbass, but we're going 800 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: to take back Crimea, et cetera. It would be a 801 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: political blood bath for Joe Biden. So I mean, even 802 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: if he was inclined to do it, there's no way 803 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: he's going to. 804 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 4: So that's where we are. 805 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: We are in the indefinite, forever war phase of the 806 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: Ukraine War where they don't even talk anymore about how 807 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: it might come to a close because they have no 808 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: plan for that. They have no plan for that. And 809 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, with Israel, by the way. One other thing 810 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: I want to mention about the actual vote. There were 811 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: only this is so disgusting to me. There were only 812 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: three Democrats who voted against it. Peter Welsh, kudos to him. 813 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, kudos to him, and Jeff Murkley kudos to 814 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: him over their objections on Israel. How many people do 815 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: you have now in the Senate Democratic Caucus who have 816 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: said we're worried about the humanitarian crisis. Chris Van Holland 817 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: has been one of the most strident critics. He actually 818 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: went over and saw the way that Israel was blocking 819 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: humanitarian aid and causing a literal famine. People, children, babies, 820 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: starving to death, and he votes for it, and he 821 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: votes for it, like how do you live with yourself? 822 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Emily made a great point saga that I want 823 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: to raise here as well and make sure everybody hears it. 824 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: Which is part of the reason they put all this 825 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: crap together and why they do this all the time, 826 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: these omnibus bills is to avoid any sort of democratic understanding, 827 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: so there's no clarity because it's just so many things, 828 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: you're like overwhelmed. 829 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 4: By all the pieces. 830 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: And also so that people don't have to be on 831 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: the record on each of these individual pieces, because I 832 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: guarantee you if you went to van on, why'd you 833 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: vote for this Israel funding unconditional support, He'd say, well, 834 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: I have the Ukrainians. 835 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 4: So that's how you end up. 836 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: With, you know, people who have claimed to be opposed 837 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: at this point to unconditionally supporting bb Net and Yahoo's genocide, 838 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: how they still end up voting for it and sleeping 839 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: at night apparently looking at themselves in the America. 840 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 4: Oh, because it's the Ukrainians. 841 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're right. And also we've just seen continued escalations. 842 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: Put this up there here, you know, from the Israelis, 843 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 2: the Israeli strikes. This is from Haretz quote reports the 844 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 2: most severe attacks there in weeks. So we'll end, you know, 845 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: with some of the words from Michael Tracy, who I 846 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: thought put it well. Putting aside my disagreement with him 847 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: on the TikTok piece, let's go to his tweet bear please. 848 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 2: He says, this was the most disturbing legislative process I've 849 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: seen in fifteen plus years of covering US politics. A threshold, 850 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 2: husband cross. The US has now made an enormous down 851 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 2: payment on global war across at least three geographs, theaters, 852 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: and imposed radical government control of the Internet. My disagreement 853 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: on the last sentence there aside, I do absolutely think 854 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: he is correct. There is no more bipartisan consensus than 855 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: funding the war machine. And just to underscore what you 856 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: said as well about media and linking back to our 857 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 2: segment about where people get it, if as long as 858 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 2: we live in a country where forty five to fifty 859 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 2: five year olds are the ones who are vastly going 860 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: to vote and have stakes in the political system than 861 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 2: the media that they consume and their interpretation of events, 862 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: it's all that is going to matter. And unfortunately, that 863 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: is the reality you know, that we currently live in, 864 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: and it just explains so much about the way that 865 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: all of our politics works. I mean, you can look 866 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 2: at a poll and you can see the vast majority 867 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 2: of Republicans are against more A to Ukraine, but then 868 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: if you isolate it to sixty five plus, you'll see 869 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: that it's like fifty to fifty. 870 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 3: And then you see that. 871 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 2: Over eighty to ninety percent of the Republicans in the 872 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: Senate ended up voting for it. 873 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 3: You're like, well, how does this work? 874 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: Same on Democrats yeah, you may have a bunch eighteen 875 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 2: twenty years nine year olds screaming on a college campus. 876 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter when the boomers are watching MSNBC and 877 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 2: they love Bbie and they love Israel because they don't 878 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: see some of the stuff that we show you here 879 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: on this show. And it's like, as long as that's reality, 880 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: we're all locked in. You know, I'm thirty two years old, 881 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 2: and until these people are gone, it's going to be 882 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be their age by the time we 883 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 2: even get to have any say in this country. And 884 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: by that time, I'll be screaming at the young ends. 885 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 3: So who don't even know. 886 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: But I like to think that we'll have more humility though, 887 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 2: as people who had to go through this, to look 888 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: at the people who are coming up and say, I 889 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: know what it was like to be you and to 890 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: be totally powerless in your own country. 891 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 4: I one of alls. 892 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: So make sure to highlight that Michael Tracy tweet just 893 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: because he's been such a resource. 894 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. 895 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: He's done such a great job, you know, really covering 896 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: the ins and outs of this legislative process, and we've 897 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: really relied on him and his analysis as well. Since 898 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: he's reading through the bills and he's very good at 899 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: picking out some of the critical pieces. So just want 900 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: to make sure to give him a shout out as 901 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: well for doing great coverage. 902 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 2: So subscribe to a substack if we can, we'll put 903 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 2: a link there in the description. 904 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 3: He's a great guy, even when I disagree. 905 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: I think he's very very I think he's very very 906 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 2: good faith and principal in the way that he approaches thing, 907 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: is very upfront about the way he is, and that's 908 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 2: actually quite rare in this business. 909 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: So shops shout outstand. 910 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: So, as we've been covering all week, there has been 911 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: a nationwide moral panic freak count and attendant authoritarian state 912 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: crackdown on peaceful college protesters who are upset about the 913 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: atrocities they witness in Gazan who specifically want their schools 914 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: to divest from any related investments. Prime Minister of Israel 915 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: bb Natan Yahoo has joined the fray, issuing this statement 916 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: and calling American college students effectively Nazis. 917 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 4: Take a listen. 918 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 8: What's happening in America's college campuses is horrific. Antisemitic mobs 919 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 8: have taken over leading universities they call for the annihilation 920 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 8: of Israel. They attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty. 921 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 8: This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in 922 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 8: nineteen thirties. It's unconsidable. It has to be stopped. It 923 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 8: has to be condemned and condemned unequivocally. But that's not 924 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 8: what happened. The response of several university presidents was shameful. 925 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 8: Now fortunately, state, local, federal officials, many of them have 926 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 8: responded differently, But there has to be more. More has 927 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 8: to be done. It has to be done. Not only 928 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 8: because they attack Israel. That's bad enough. Not only because 929 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 8: they want to kill Jews wherever they are that's bad enough. 930 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 8: It's also when you listen to them. It's also because 931 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 8: they say not only death to Israel, death to the Jews, 932 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 8: but death to America. And this tells us that there 933 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 8: is an anti Semitic surge here that has terrible consequences. 934 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 8: We see this exponential rise of anti Semitism throughout America 935 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 8: and throughout Western societies as Israel tries to defend itself 936 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 8: against genocidal terrorists, genocidal terrorists who hide behind civilians. Yet 937 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,280 Speaker 8: it is Israel that is falsely accused of genocide, Israel 938 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 8: that is falsely accused of starvation and all sundry war crimes. 939 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 8: It's all one big libel. But that's not you. 940 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Zaga, I'm going to lose my mind. 941 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this has it, has it all? We're going 942 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: to just let a foreign government leader smear our college 943 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: kids as Nazis. 944 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 4: In addition, I mean, I have a million things I 945 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 4: want to say about this. 946 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm like sort of sputtering with anger at every piece 947 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: of that. How much have the Jewish students who are 948 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: at the heart of these protests been completely erased the 949 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: idea that they're calling for death to all Jews? What 950 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: they want their themselves to be killed? They want themselves 951 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: to be genocided? Like this isn't It's so insane. Ryan 952 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: and Emily did a great interview yesterday with one of 953 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: the student organizers on Columbia. 954 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 4: She was out buying. 955 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: Ingredients for their satyr, which they had very peacefully interfaith. Okay, 956 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about here. And are there some 957 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: rally chants that I wouldn't necessarily choose? 958 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 4: Sure? 959 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: Are there some genuinely anti Semitic comments that are made 960 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: in the context of especially not even the college campus 961 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: but outside. Sure, Okay, there are assholes and racists exist, 962 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: no doubt about it, But you're going to use that 963 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: to smear everyone who is sick to death watching these 964 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: babies being starved and slaughtered as an anti Semite. It's disgusting, 965 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: it's despicable, and nothing will make actual anti Semitism rise, 966 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: by the way, farther and faster than forcing every Jew 967 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: in America around the world to be conflated. 968 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 4: With the state of Israel. Okay, because we can. 969 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: All see what you're doing on TikTok and YouTube and 970 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: lots of other places. Your soldiers, your idf soldiers, are 971 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: out there tiktoking their war crimes. 972 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 4: We're not idiots. We can see. And it's not just 973 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 4: college kids. 974 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: It's the un special rabbertur, It's the ICJ saying plausible genocide. 975 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: It's the body count, it's the relentless, complete siege. It's 976 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: the fact that you're about to imminently invade Rafa, where 977 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: more than a million Palestitians are currently sheltering like ugh, sickening, sickening, 978 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: And the fact that politicians in America are letting this 979 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: foreign leader smear our kids as racist and Nazis, and 980 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: they just let this go and they freaking support it. 981 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 3: Oh. 982 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 2: See, that latter part is where I wouldn't even bother 983 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 2: pointing out hypocrisy. I would just say, hey, man, you 984 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 2: worry about your country and we'll worry about ours. 985 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 3: And in fact, you especially shouldn't be worrying about ours. 986 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 2: And talking about ours when you are actively telling us 987 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: not to sanction your units based upon our you know, 988 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 2: US laws like the Leahy law, when you're actively your 989 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 2: president just put out a police saying please stay out 990 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 2: of Israeli politics whenever they attack Chuck Schumer or others 991 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 2: for calling for an end to the Netan Yahu government 992 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 2: by saying, hey, you shouldn't be calling for interference in 993 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 2: our domestic politics. I mean, this man is in English 994 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 2: talking about a domestic political issue that we as Americans 995 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 2: can resolve together as to what constitutes anti Semitism, what 996 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 2: proper use of force looks like, etc. That is a 997 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 2: debate for us to have and for them to have 998 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 2: no play or parted, especially whenever they are a client 999 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 2: state who receives more foreign aid than any other nation 1000 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 2: in the world. That is particularly why it's so galling 1001 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 2: is because their ego and the goal and their impunity 1002 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 2: is such that they can keep their handout and then 1003 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 2: smack our populace at the very state time. So to them, 1004 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 2: I say, keep your mouth, keep your face completely out. 1005 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 3: Of our politics, and you worry about your own business. 1006 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: And the impunity is cultivated by Joe Biden. He knows 1007 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: he can say that he can smear whoever he wants 1008 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: is a Nazi. I mean, he's actually comparing the whole 1009 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: country to Nazi Germany because he says, oh, this, we 1010 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: haven't seen this since that time period. We haven't seen 1011 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, Jews unsafe on college campuses or whatever. He 1012 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: said again, no, this is not about Jewish student safety, 1013 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: because if it was, there might be a few words 1014 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: of Karen concern for the Jewish students who were being 1015 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: cracked down on by a you know, aggressive police state 1016 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: and being threatened with the freaking National Guard people courting 1017 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: another Kent state. Maybe you'd have a little concern for 1018 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: those Jewish students if that was really truly your concern. 1019 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: So it's disgusting. Additional disgusting situations unfolded. You had Mike 1020 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: Johnson and a bunch who's of course speaking of the House, 1021 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of other Republicans who went to tour Columbia 1022 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: give a press conference and wasn't received particularly well by 1023 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: the student body there. First of all, apparently he didn't 1024 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: have like a microphone to product his voice. He was 1025 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: just speaking into like the press microphones, so no one 1026 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: could even hear him. So there are a lot of people, 1027 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the students were yelling like grandstand louder 1028 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: and like speak up, you piece of grab and stuff 1029 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 1: like that. Anyway, and the press around really couldn't hear 1030 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: what he had to say either. But anyway, here is 1031 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of Mike Johnson attend to speak and 1032 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: getting hackled by the crowd ticklism. 1033 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 3: After meeting with Jewish students. 1034 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 9: Let's listen live in the Columbia campus. 1035 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 10: So thank you all for being here today. We have 1036 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 10: several members of Congress here, and we're here today at 1037 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 10: one of America's pre eminent academic institutions on a very 1038 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 10: important day and a very important time throughout history Columbia here. 1039 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: So anyway, receiving a warm welcome there, and you know 1040 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 1: it's notable. I believe they had a few Jewish members 1041 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: along with them. They managed to remain safe in spite 1042 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: of the fact that this is apparently you know, Nazi 1043 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: Germany and Manhattan at this point and you were talking 1044 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: about this, I think you should lay this out. But like, 1045 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: there's a very clear political benefit here for Mike Johnson, 1046 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: who has some problems with parts of his coalition because 1047 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,319 Speaker 1: of the Ukraine Aid stuff. This is this crackdown on 1048 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: free speech. Minutes ago, these people were oh, we love 1049 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,959 Speaker 1: free and now suddenly it's like bringing the police, bringing 1050 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 1: the National Guard. Very unifying for the Republicans and divisive 1051 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: for the Democrats, so it's a smart wedge issue for 1052 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: them politically. 1053 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 2: This is very useful to Mike Johnson because he was 1054 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 2: facing that motion motion to vacate revolt that was on 1055 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 2: his right flank from Freedom Caucus types and others. So 1056 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 2: by going to Columbia, even with all of the Republican 1057 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 2: leadership that he had behind him, including a few others 1058 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 2: that were willing to make the track, he actually is 1059 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 2: solidifying some of his support within the caucus and then 1060 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 2: turning the tables, like you said, in terms of a 1061 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 2: division against the Democrat. So this is kind of a 1062 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 2: political jiu jitsu move on his part to move the 1063 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 2: attention away from the Ukraine, AID and all of that 1064 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 2: to an area where he's very, very safe within his 1065 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 2: own caucus, and that's where he finds himself right now. 1066 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,800 Speaker 2: It's directly why he immediately was like, I'm going to 1067 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 2: Columbia and this is the reason. 1068 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, police day crackdowns on peaceful protesters apparently unifying issue 1069 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: for the Republican caucus and frankly for much of the 1070 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: Democratic cacus. Are a number of Democratic members of Congress 1071 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: who went and toured Colombia too, and amazingly, thank goodness, 1072 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: they were able to remain safe. What an incredible miracle. Obviously, 1073 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: this is not just Colombia at this point. Also an 1074 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: update there. The president has been, you know, in some 1075 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: sort of negotiations with the students. There were initial threats 1076 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: that they were going to bring the NYPD back in. 1077 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: You recall they crackdown before and arrested a bunch of students, 1078 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: suspended a bunch of students. There was a threat that 1079 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: they were going to bring them in again. There were 1080 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 1: other people who were threatening, oh, we might bring in 1081 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: the National Guard. She's now in these discussions with student protesters. 1082 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: I believe the deadline for those talks is something like 1083 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: four am on Friday morning. So we'll see what happens there. 1084 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: But that story certainly is not concluded. And now we've 1085 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: got some extraordinary scenes unfolding truly coast to coast. At 1086 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: this point, we can put this up on the screen. 1087 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: This is from University of Texas Austin. Now they sent 1088 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: in an overwhelming police force. By the way, this is DPS. 1089 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: These are some of the that's the agency. There were 1090 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: some of the cowards that would not go in when 1091 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,360 Speaker 1: it was UVALDI children who were at risk, but you 1092 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,720 Speaker 1: know they could show up here and they're all suited 1093 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,399 Speaker 1: up and crack some college kids' heads. So these were 1094 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: some extraordinary scenes that were happening here. I would just 1095 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: want to be clear there aren't even any reports of 1096 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: anything even colorably anti semitic at ut Austin, nor any 1097 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: violence no quote unquote I stabbing incidents, And we'll get 1098 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: to that in a minute and how that was a 1099 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: complete hoax. But you can see this is happening around 1100 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: the country. You've got Brown, You've got University of Southern California, 1101 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,439 Speaker 1: you've got University of Minnesota, You've got Columbia, of course, 1102 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: you've got NYU. This is just a sampling of the 1103 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 1: type of scenes that are truly unfolding at Elite and 1104 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, normal state institutions around the country and the 1105 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,839 Speaker 1: type of crackdown that they have been met with. In 1106 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,240 Speaker 1: particular at U t Austin, there was a local press 1107 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: cameraman with the local Fox news affiliate who was tackled 1108 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: and arrested by these police for just being there to 1109 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: document the protest and what was going on. Just take 1110 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: a look at this, can narrate this, and then there's 1111 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: actually an interview with him that I can show you. 1112 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 4: So you see him. 1113 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,799 Speaker 1: There with his camera like he's got his pressed credentials on, 1114 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: He's just doing his job, and you can see him 1115 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: grabbed by the police, thrown to the ground, okay, and 1116 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: then he is zip tied and arrested. 1117 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 4: Here, let's go ahead and switch out throw to He. 1118 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: Was interviewed by someone else who was on the scene 1119 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: there and explains like, I'm just here trying to do 1120 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 1: my job. 1121 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,879 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he had to say. 1122 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 3: Were you RINOs? 1123 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,280 Speaker 5: I think it's uh. They were pushing me and I 1124 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 5: they say that I had an officer. 1125 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 3: I think again an officer where you're pushing you know 1126 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 3: what I mean? They're pushing me. Everyone. What's your name 1127 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,479 Speaker 3: in naming data birth. 1128 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 11: We're gonna send attorney to you. 1129 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 3: Has this happened. 1130 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 4: To me before? What is going on? 1131 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 2: I mean, he's literally doing his job. You can see 1132 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 2: very clearly on camera. He didn't push anybody. He has 1133 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 2: his press credentials that are around his neck. He had 1134 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 2: the live view backpack, so he's broadcasting live. 1135 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: They've charged him with criminal trustpassing, which also tells you that, oh, 1136 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: he hit an officer is bullshit because if he hit 1137 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: an all officer, he'd be charged with assault exactly, even 1138 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: if it was like colorable. But that was a complete lie. 1139 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: So he's this American journalist, local news journalist being charged 1140 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: with criminal treuspassing for. 1141 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 4: Doing his job. 1142 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 2: Governor Abbott has almost certainly violated Texas law here and 1143 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 2: we can show you some of the evidence. 1144 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 3: Just go and put this up there on the screen. 1145 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 2: Governor Abbot tweeted, quote, arrests are being made now, right 1146 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 2: now and will continue until the crowd disperses. 1147 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,439 Speaker 3: These protesters belong in jail. 1148 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 2: Listen to this very clearly, he says anti Semitism will 1149 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 2: not be tolerated in Texas period. Students joining in hate 1150 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 2: field anti Semitic protests at any public college or university 1151 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 2: in Texas should be expelled. So he is explicitly saying 1152 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 2: that the pro test is being broken up because of ideology. 1153 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 2: This again is very clearly a violation of Texas law, 1154 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,879 Speaker 2: which clearly lays out that at a public university the 1155 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 2: only way that you are allowed to break up protests 1156 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 2: is in violation of time, place, and manner. Stuff that 1157 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 2: is on the books. The organization, the free speech organization 1158 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 2: fire put this out. Let's put this up there on 1159 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 2: the screen. They say that the chilling show of force 1160 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 2: the UT is a disproportionate response to an apparently peaceful protest, 1161 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 2: sending it in feinlanks of law enforcement threatens protect and 1162 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 2: speech where it should be at its most free. A 1163 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 2: public university like UT Austin. Governor Abbott's public commentary clearly 1164 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 2: makes it a disregard for the firstman's protection of political speech. 1165 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 2: Clear we encourage those with Firstmendment rights who are threatened 1166 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 2: at UT Austin or elsewhere to contact fire. This is 1167 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 2: specifically a law called SB eighteen, which is a Texas 1168 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 2: free speech legislature, a law that passed several years ago. 1169 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 2: It allows university to create disciplinary actions for students who 1170 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 2: quote interfere with speech activities, but it does put into 1171 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 2: place very clearly restrictions on the time, place, and manner 1172 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:11,240 Speaker 2: of such activities, and specifically areas of the public university remembered. 1173 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 2: You know, Texas taxpayers and the federal government are the 1174 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 2: ones who fund this university race is not Columbia. Colombia's 1175 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,360 Speaker 2: private land. It's private university and they can technically do 1176 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,359 Speaker 2: whatever they want. But in public universities it's a whole 1177 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,840 Speaker 2: other ballgame. And this reminds us very much of a 1178 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,799 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that happened during the Vietnam War. 1179 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I'm not a legal expert on this, but 1180 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: I can tell you the Supreme Court has upheld numerous 1181 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: times that First Amendment rights apply on public university campuses. 1182 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: So when you're talking about this kind of crackdown at 1183 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: UT Austin, it is a very different The moral landscape 1184 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: is the same, but the legal landscape is very different. 1185 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: And then you also have to talk about just the 1186 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: incredible hypocrisy here. I mean, this man was how long 1187 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: ago growing about free speech on college campus, and then 1188 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't even in his old tweet, he doesn't even 1189 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 1: claim there's violence. As I said, I haven't seen a 1190 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: single report of either violence, anything even colorable as violence, 1191 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,920 Speaker 1: or anything any anti Semitic incidents, none of that. He 1192 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: just doesn't like the cause that they stand for, and 1193 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: so we sent in a bunch of cops to arrest 1194 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 1: I believe dozens of students and including this journalist who's 1195 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 1: just there trying to do his job. There is no 1196 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,919 Speaker 1: excuse for this. There's no excuse for it. I don't 1197 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 1: care where you are on this issue. I defended many 1198 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 1: people who were saying a lot of crap that I 1199 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: find offensive. I don't agree with, I don't like, but 1200 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, you have the right to say you're offensive bullshit, Okay, 1201 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,400 Speaker 1: this is America and this. Situations like this are exactly 1202 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: why I made sure that I in particular defended the 1203 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: speech that I personally disagreed with and found offensive, because 1204 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: that's when it's tough, that's when it matters. I don't 1205 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,399 Speaker 1: want to hear a single person who is supporting any 1206 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: of this ever say another. 1207 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,840 Speaker 4: Word about free speech. 1208 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,279 Speaker 1: It was always naked and very selective, but it has 1209 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,399 Speaker 1: never been more naked and selective than right now. I mean, 1210 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: some of these like billionaire Republican donors who three minutes 1211 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: ago were funding all of these free speech efforts and 1212 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: pressuring to allow you know, Ben Shapiro or whoever to 1213 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: appear on college milo Unapolis or whoever to appear on 1214 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: college campuses. 1215 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 4: Suddenly, oh, oh, I'm offended, this speech is violence. 1216 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,520 Speaker 1: They sound like the greatest caricature the liberals could have 1217 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: never in their wildest dreams imagine this kind of nationwide 1218 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: crackdown from New York to Texas to la It is 1219 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: so despicable and enraging I can't even begin to comment, 1220 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: and so disconnected from what is actually happening on these campuses. 1221 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 4: If you go to the protest, if you speak. 1222 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: To the students who are involved in engaging in it, 1223 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: they will come right out and say, we are totally 1224 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: opposed to violence. We completely condemn that, we completely condemn 1225 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,920 Speaker 1: anti semitism. 1226 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 4: By the way, many of. 1227 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: Us are ourselves Jewish, insane, insane situation. 1228 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and this is where I even have 1229 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 2: to move past it and say even if they were 1230 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 2: anti Semitic, they are still US citizens who have the 1231 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 2: right to do what they want. So that was a 1232 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 2: white nationalist group, I would say the exact same thing, 1233 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 2: And they probably hate my guts because I'm from Texas 1234 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 2: and apparent according them, I shouldn't have even been there 1235 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 2: in the first place. I don't mind if that's what 1236 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 2: they want to say. You know, we are all Americans. 1237 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 2: We have our citizenship, and that's the issue that we 1238 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 2: find this. Texas in particular has had the BDS law 1239 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 2: now on the books and even enforced it in the 1240 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 2: past firing state employees. So they've always had a Israel 1241 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 2: exception to their free speech law. And yeah, it's one 1242 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,920 Speaker 2: of those where this is very clear. Yeah, the optics 1243 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 2: again of the Texas DPS, which was involved in the 1244 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 2: horrific response of Vivalde to this. Actually some of the 1245 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 2: students on campus were openly chanting this. And this is 1246 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 2: a likely only a preview of what is to come, 1247 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 2: especially with the deadline at Columbia expiring sometime in the 1248 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 2: next twenty four to forty eight hours. 1249 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,600 Speaker 3: We don't know what's going to. 1250 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: Happen there, and I want to say too, Like obviously 1251 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,520 Speaker 1: with the Columbia example, this isn't a red state phenomenon. 1252 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,440 Speaker 1: This is like a you know, elite bipartisan instances in 1253 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: California and Blue California, LA. They also sent in the 1254 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: cops to arrest I believe, somewhere around one hundred students 1255 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: to keep you know, an encampment from growing in size there, 1256 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: and they've poured gasoline on the fire. I mean, these encampments. 1257 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: I just saw a message from our front Motaz, who 1258 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,440 Speaker 1: we had on the show before, who's a palestin, the 1259 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: American activist who's lost more than a hundred of family 1260 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,680 Speaker 1: members in Israel's assault on Gaza. They one just sprung 1261 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: up at GW. So this is truly a nationwide phenomenon here. 1262 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: I saw someone pointing out on Twitter too, like the 1263 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,640 Speaker 1: school years was almost over. 1264 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 3: I was going to say, it's over in about like 1265 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 3: two weeks. 1266 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: If you had just allowed these things to go and 1267 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,920 Speaker 1: do their thing and like peacefully fizzle out, you probably 1268 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had I mean, you wouldn't have had this 1269 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: big momentum here at the end of the school year 1270 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: and all of this fraud situation at Columbia university cancel 1271 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 1: classes for the rest of the year, Like you wouldn't 1272 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: have had this insanity if the Columbia University president hadn't 1273 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: sent in the police to you know, crack down on 1274 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: these student protesters and really spark this whole conflagration. So 1275 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: it's completely contrary to you know, their desires for all 1276 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: these people to just go away, and the polar opposite 1277 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: thing obviously is happening. And then this is a little 1278 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: bit of a tease for your monologue, Soccer, but you know, 1279 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: some of the echoes of sixty eight here are particularly 1280 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 1: profound at Columbia University. You can put this up on 1281 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: the screen. So Columbia's own website, this person points out 1282 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: on Twitter, actually literally has a page about how the 1283 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: last time that they had student protesters mass arrested, that 1284 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,200 Speaker 1: they now realized they were completely wrong and that it 1285 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: screwed up their reputation for decades. So let me read 1286 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: this from the Columbia University web page. It says Columbia 1287 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,320 Speaker 1: is a far different place today than it was in 1288 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: the spring of sixty eight when protesters took over university 1289 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: buildings IMiD discontent about the Vietnam War, racism and the 1290 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: university's proposed expansion into Morningside Park. After a week long standoff, 1291 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: New York City police stormed in the campus, rust of 1292 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: more than seven hundred people. 1293 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 4: The fallout dogged Columbia for years. 1294 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 1: It took decades for the university to recover from those 1295 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,680 Speaker 1: turbulent times. They go on to say Columbia's commemorating the 1296 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of those long ago events with a deep 1297 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: dive of scholarship and exhibits chronicling what happened then in 1298 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: its effects today. So apparently they need to do a 1299 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,600 Speaker 1: little deeper dive into that scholarship to realize that guess 1300 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: what those lessons you learn back in nineteen sixty eight, 1301 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,160 Speaker 1: they apply right now today. And I know you're going 1302 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 1: to draw out some more of those historic parallels from 1303 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. 1304 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 3: Stay tuned. 1305 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 2: It is exactly fifty six years ago to the day, 1306 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 2: which is wild like to the day of where all 1307 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 2: of this was going down. And if we listened to 1308 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,440 Speaker 2: the lessons of sixty eight, there's a lot more chaos toic. 1309 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:46,560 Speaker 8: Come. 1310 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 4: Let's talk about a hoax, shall we? Let's talk about us. 1311 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 3: There's nothing I love more than hoaxes. 1312 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: So are you covering you will recall I joined Piers 1313 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Morgan's Piers Morgan Uncensored this week and one of the 1314 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,880 Speaker 1: individuals that I was on with was a Jewish student 1315 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 1: at Yale who claimed she had been and these were 1316 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,200 Speaker 1: her words. 1317 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,480 Speaker 4: Stabbed in the eye with a flag. Okay. 1318 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Now, I noted in the segment her eye seemed okay, okay, 1319 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: and this happened only I believe two days prior, so 1320 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,520 Speaker 1: you typically, I believe if you're stabbed in the eye, 1321 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,920 Speaker 1: the recovery time is a little bit lengthier. 1322 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,400 Speaker 4: But okay, I'm gonna. 1323 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, taking the word for it, taking your word, right, what. 1324 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 4: Am I gonna do? I'm gon take you out your 1325 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 4: Word'm glad you're okay. 1326 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Well, now video has emerged of the I stabbing, and 1327 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up on the screen. So, okay, 1328 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,560 Speaker 1: you can see she's in the middle of protest, she's recording. 1329 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,919 Speaker 1: There's people who are all around her. You know, they're 1330 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: wearing their cafeas they're doing their thing. 1331 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,040 Speaker 4: They're moving by. 1332 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, you know exactly what's happening here, 1333 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: but there's just a lot of people moving around. Right, 1334 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Someone comes close. Okay, oh there's the flag, and and okay, 1335 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: that was it. That was the I stabbing. Someone walked 1336 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: by with a flag. It's not even clear that she 1337 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 1: was hit with the flag at all. I'll give her 1338 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,680 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. I guess, even though it's 1339 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: clearly not deserved, that maybe the flag accidentally, you know, 1340 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: grazed her somewhere in the eye vicinity. 1341 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 4: But put the next piece up on the screen. 1342 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: This is how this was reported in Barry Wise's The 1343 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Free Press. Here's literally the headline, I was stabbed in 1344 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 1: the eye at Yale. The school has allowed anti Israel 1345 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: students to run roughshod for their most basic policies. Yesterday, 1346 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 1: I paid the price for their inaction. And the first 1347 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: line of this piece, by the way, is also I 1348 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 1: was stabbed in the eye last night on Yale University's 1349 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 1: campus because I am a Jew. 1350 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 4: There was no eye stabbing. There was no eye stabbing. 1351 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,880 Speaker 1: You were, like, maybe potentially grazed unintentionally with a flag. 1352 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 4: That is clearly what happened in the video. 1353 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,120 Speaker 1: It's no wonder even though she took this video, she 1354 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: did not circulate this video when she was doing her 1355 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 1: whole I was stabbed in the I pressed her. And 1356 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: by the way, it wasn't just Barry Weiss's outlet that 1357 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: they were the ones that initially ran that. 1358 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 4: This got picked up everywhere and. 1359 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,480 Speaker 1: Obviously you know Peers Moorgan featured her testimony here as well. 1360 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:18,800 Speaker 3: Well. 1361 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,200 Speaker 2: Was she on her way to subway? Is that what 1362 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 2: was going on? Was she on her way to subway 1363 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 2: sandwiches two in the morning? Were there any maga hats 1364 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 2: involved over here? 1365 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 1: I see what you're doing the ice, so I forgot 1366 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 1: about the sub maga mullet. 1367 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,280 Speaker 9: Where there were there's some where? Was that guy a 1368 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,000 Speaker 9: personal trainer or something? Was what was going on there 1369 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 9: with all of this? Listen, this is all complete bullshit. 1370 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 2: And as my I urge everyone in this rule, if 1371 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 2: there is any claim of assault, of racism, of any 1372 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 2: attack of which you stand to benefit or which benefits 1373 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 2: a political cause, my rule is it didn't happen. It 1374 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 2: didn't happen. The burden of proof is on you. And 1375 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 2: even then, if it's on camera, it's probably exaggerated, which 1376 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,919 Speaker 2: is the evidence that we all have here. I often 1377 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 2: tell the story, but Rolling Stone is what really made 1378 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 2: me create that rule. 1379 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,000 Speaker 3: But where I went to school. 1380 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 2: George Washington University was the site of one of the 1381 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 2: original panics over Swastika's, where a student kept calling the 1382 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,680 Speaker 2: police saying that someone was drawing a swastika on her 1383 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 2: dorm room and America freaked out. This was a nationwide story. 1384 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Swastka's being done on. 1385 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 3: The dorm room. 1386 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,400 Speaker 2: So GW put a camera in the dorm to make 1387 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,120 Speaker 2: sure that they could catch the swastika drawer. Who do 1388 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,520 Speaker 2: we all think it was who was drawing the swastika? 1389 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 6: It was her. 1390 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 3: It was her the whole time. 1391 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 2: These people are victims, and I'm talking about you know, 1392 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 2: but what's that guy's name, Nascar Bubba, whatever his name is, 1393 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 2: and the news how did that work out? The NASCAR 1394 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,600 Speaker 2: nows Rolling Stone. I mean, there's if you want to 1395 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,840 Speaker 2: get controversial, Christine blasi Ford. 1396 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 3: I mean, in every case, several years later. 1397 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,160 Speaker 2: We can look back and just be like, yeah, this 1398 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 2: was some straight up bs that completely was used for 1399 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 2: political benefits. 1400 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 3: So I urge everyone to use that rule. Whenever you're 1401 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:11,800 Speaker 3: looking through this. 1402 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 2: Be deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply skeptical. And I mean I 1403 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 2: was privately cracking jokes in our group chat and all this, 1404 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 2: but like, yeah, where's your eyepatch? You know, making all 1405 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 2: of this because I didn't believe it from the beginning. 1406 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that in public, but now 1407 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,920 Speaker 2: that the video has come out, I feel very very 1408 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 2: comfortable ridiculing and making fun of this lady. 1409 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing is, it wasn't without consequence. 1410 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: Like I'm personally extra irritated because I had to like, 1411 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, be yea, let's be sympathetically to this person. 1412 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: And it was so emotionally manipulative, and not to me, 1413 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,760 Speaker 1: who cares me, but to the whole audience. This was 1414 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: a big part of what sparked now this total freak 1415 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,320 Speaker 1: out and crackdown. And you know, the people who initially 1416 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 1: read the like, oh someone was stabbed an eye nonsense 1417 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,360 Speaker 1: from a variety of news outlets, They're never going to 1418 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: see this video. They're never going to see a action 1419 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,080 Speaker 1: because probably none of these outlets are even gonna make 1420 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: a correction. And so not only did you trigger this 1421 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 1: freak out, you also made a lot of Jewish students 1422 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,040 Speaker 1: feel genuine fear, like, oh my god, maybe there's something 1423 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: is really going on that I need to fear for 1424 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: my safety. All based on nonsense, and you know it 1425 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,440 Speaker 1: is true. This is not This is like across ages 1426 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,080 Speaker 1: demographic groups, there are some number of people who are 1427 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: just so desperate to be like the center of some 1428 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,720 Speaker 1: victimhood story. 1429 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,440 Speaker 4: It's like it is like a sickness. 1430 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,480 Speaker 1: This shy DIVIDI guys definitely fits that mold as well, 1431 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: where it's like they're so desperate to be a victim 1432 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 1: that you'll go in and just invent some of you'll 1433 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 1: go into the situation hoping that something happens that you 1434 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: can even colorably pretend was, you know, a hate crime, 1435 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 1: a grave victimization of you versus someone like accidentally bumping 1436 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: into with like insane. By the way, just to show 1437 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 1: you like this isn't our first trip to this rodeo. 1438 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: But the last element c eight up on the screen, 1439 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys remember this. 1440 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 4: This was a minor blip. 1441 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,320 Speaker 1: Back in December, the same woman had tweeted out imagine 1442 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: returning to your dining hall to find that salad labels 1443 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,040 Speaker 1: were renamed to remove mention of the salads being Israeli. 1444 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: That happened at Yale. This it's the subtle changes and 1445 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,640 Speaker 1: reactions that are the most pernicious. 1446 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,639 Speaker 4: So apparently there. 1447 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Was some Israeli couscous salad that she claimed the sign 1448 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: verbiage had been changed. Literally the next day, some other 1449 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,639 Speaker 1: student at Yale was like, here's the sign. 1450 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,240 Speaker 4: It still says Israeli couscouse like relaxed. 1451 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was a complete hoax as well. So 1452 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,800 Speaker 2: you know, hoax me once, Shame on me. I hoaxed 1453 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 2: me twice, shame on you. 1454 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:44,639 Speaker 4: Yes. 1455 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,679 Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, let's move on to some additional domestic 1456 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:49,799 Speaker 1: situations that are onfolio. 1457 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:50,719 Speaker 4: This is really important. 1458 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Yesterday the Supreme Court heard oral arguments about the Idaho 1459 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,400 Speaker 1: state almost complete abortion ban and whether it is in 1460 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 1: conflict with a federal law that mandates and this is 1461 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: for any hospital that takes medic air funds, which is 1462 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:10,360 Speaker 1: basically every hospital that mandates that they perform emergency care 1463 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,480 Speaker 1: and stabilize patients. 1464 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,040 Speaker 4: So let's take a listen. 1465 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: This was a very interesting exchange from liberal Justice Sonia 1466 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,639 Speaker 1: Soda Mayor and then backed up by conservative Justice Amy 1467 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: Cony Barrett, very concerned about the implications of this Idaho 1468 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,800 Speaker 1: abortion band for women. 1469 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,679 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 1470 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 11: Imagine a patient who goes to the ar with pre 1471 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:39,080 Speaker 11: prompt fourteen weeks. Again abortion is accepted. She's up. She 1472 01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 11: was in and out of the hospital up to twenty 1473 01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:46,400 Speaker 11: seven weeks. This particular patient they tried had to deliver 1474 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:52,040 Speaker 11: her baby. The baby died, she had a hysterectomy, and 1475 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 11: she can no longer have children. All right, you're telling 1476 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 11: me the doctor there couldn't have done the abortion earlier. 1477 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 6: It goes back to whether a doctor can in good 1478 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 6: faith medical judgment. 1479 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,160 Speaker 11: That's a lot for the doctor to risk. 1480 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 6: Well, I think it's protection of doctor judgment. 1481 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:13,120 Speaker 11: When id the whole law changed to make the issue 1482 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,800 Speaker 11: whether she's going to die or not, or whether she's 1483 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,960 Speaker 11: going to have a serious medical condition. There's a big 1484 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,280 Speaker 11: day life by your standards, correct. 1485 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,080 Speaker 6: It is very case by case. The example that I'm kind. 1486 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,680 Speaker 12: Of shocked actually because I thought your own expert had 1487 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,479 Speaker 12: said below that these kinds of cases were covered, and 1488 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:32,519 Speaker 12: you're now saying they're not. 1489 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 6: No, I'm not saying that, that's just my point, your 1490 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 6: honor is that. 1491 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:36,080 Speaker 3: Well, you're hedging. 1492 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,479 Speaker 12: I mean, Jessice Sodomower's asking you would this be covered 1493 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 12: or not? And it was my understanding that the legislature's 1494 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 12: witnesses said that these would be covered. 1495 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 6: And those doctors said, if they were exercising their medical judgment, 1496 01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 6: they could in good faith determine that life saving care 1497 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000 Speaker 6: was necessary. And that's my point is is a subjection 1498 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 6: some doctors couldn't. 1499 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,599 Speaker 12: Some doctors might reach a contrary conclusion. I think as 1500 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,679 Speaker 12: well as Sodomowa is asking you. 1501 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,639 Speaker 4: Just think about this. 1502 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,679 Speaker 1: So at issue here is the fact that the law 1503 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 1: has an exception in place for the life of the mother, 1504 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: but not for the health of the mother. So the 1505 01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,800 Speaker 1: scenario that jess as Sonya Soda Mayor is laying out 1506 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,479 Speaker 1: here is, let's say a woman comes to you. She's 1507 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: in crisis, her health is failing, but she's not dying. 1508 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:22,599 Speaker 4: Now. 1509 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: If you perform the abortion now, and this is not 1510 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,439 Speaker 1: hypothet there are genuine instances where this is the case. 1511 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,120 Speaker 1: If you perform the abortion now, she's going to be okay, 1512 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:31,840 Speaker 1: She's going to maintain she's. 1513 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,560 Speaker 4: Not going to have to have an emergency hysterectomy. 1514 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,519 Speaker 1: She's going to be able to maintain her ability to 1515 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: conceive a child and have a child in the future. 1516 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: You know, this is presumably a woman who is pregnant, 1517 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 1: who wants to be a mother. If you don't act, 1518 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: if you wait for her to get to the point 1519 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: where she is about to die, then not only is 1520 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 1: the baby still going to die, but she's going to 1521 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,720 Speaker 1: have to go through this emergency hysterectomy. But because her 1522 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,519 Speaker 1: life was not literally at stake right now, there would 1523 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,240 Speaker 1: be plenty of doctors who would look at the law 1524 01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,320 Speaker 1: and say, my hands are tied here. And you're also 1525 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: putting doctors in this impossible situation of having to make 1526 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:11,640 Speaker 1: these legal judgments themselves in fear huge consequences for them. Directly, 1527 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,960 Speaker 1: if some court finds down the line that, oh, no, 1528 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,240 Speaker 1: her life wasn't really at stake, and you perform this abortion, 1529 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 1: you're in violation of the law. I don't know if 1530 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Idaho has criminal penalties, but some of these states do. 1531 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,240 Speaker 1: So you're also putting doctors in this horrific situation. We 1532 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,840 Speaker 1: can put this up on the screen The New York Times. 1533 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:28,280 Speaker 4: Right up, they said. 1534 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,719 Speaker 1: The abortion case before the Supreme Court on Wednesday featured 1535 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,679 Speaker 1: vigorous question comments, particularly by the three liberal justices. 1536 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:34,680 Speaker 4: At issue is. 1537 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,639 Speaker 1: Whether Idaho's near total ban on abortion is so strict 1538 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: that it violates a federal law requiring emergency care for 1539 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,160 Speaker 1: any patient, including providing abortions for pregnant women in dire situations, 1540 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,240 Speaker 1: could reverberate Beyond Idaho, there are at least a half 1541 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,599 Speaker 1: a dozen other states that have similar, very restrictive bands. So, again, 1542 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 1: as I was saying, it allows abortion to save the 1543 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,599 Speaker 1: life of a pregnant woman, but not. 1544 01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,640 Speaker 4: To prevent her health from deteriorating. 1545 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,519 Speaker 1: The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act from nearly forty 1546 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,920 Speaker 1: years ago says when a patient goes to emergency room 1547 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: with an urgent medical issue, hospitals must either provide treatment 1548 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,920 Speaker 1: to stabilize the patient or transfer the patient to a 1549 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 1: medical facility that can stabilize the patient, regardless of the 1550 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: patient's ability to pay. And so they're saying, this state 1551 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 1: law conflicts with that federal law, you know, in terms 1552 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: of the arguments that and ful, we just showed you 1553 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,960 Speaker 1: a liberal and a conservative justice kind of appearing to 1554 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,559 Speaker 1: be on the same side. But I don't know which 1555 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,000 Speaker 1: way this one is going to go. You had a 1556 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: LEDO in particular, arguing in the other direction and raising 1557 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,840 Speaker 1: all sorts of you know, questions about he For one thing, 1558 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,800 Speaker 1: he asserted that some of these concerns were hypothetical. 1559 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,679 Speaker 4: They're actually no, I'll get to that in a minute. 1560 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: He was also using this emergency medical law to assert 1561 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,200 Speaker 1: that it should apply not only to the woman but 1562 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: to the fetus, so asserting some sort of like national 1563 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: heartbeat personhood rights to the fetus, which would open up 1564 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,720 Speaker 1: a whole other can of worm. So I genuinely have 1565 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,040 Speaker 1: no idea which direction this one's. 1566 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:06,320 Speaker 4: Going to go in. 1567 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is crazy. 1568 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,519 Speaker 2: And this is actually a real preview into post stops 1569 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 2: politics based on how that all goes, because it does 1570 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,800 Speaker 2: show you that you can try and leave it to 1571 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,599 Speaker 2: the states, but it's going to escalate to a federal level, 1572 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,080 Speaker 2: like about fatal fetal personhood. What sort of ruling like 1573 01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 2: that would mean. I mean, imagine for all of the 1574 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 2: states that currently have legal abortion. Conversely, in terms of 1575 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,040 Speaker 2: the bands themselves, this is just going to insert even 1576 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,559 Speaker 2: more pressure into the democratic process. 1577 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 3: We can put this up there on the screen. 1578 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,720 Speaker 2: I found this actually an astounding statistic, So apparently that 1579 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 2: was noted. In the short time that Idaho has been 1580 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 2: allowed to enforce the abortion BAM for people who need 1581 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,480 Speaker 2: emergency terminations, six women have actually had to be airlifted 1582 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,080 Speaker 2: to other states for care that is illegal in Idaho, 1583 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,560 Speaker 2: which just demonstrates also how stupid the whole policy is, 1584 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,439 Speaker 2: because if you're just going to be airlifted to another 1585 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 2: state for the same policy, then what exactly is the 1586 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,040 Speaker 2: point right the law on the books? 1587 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 3: You're just freaking idam. 1588 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,040 Speaker 4: You're just torturing these ways. 1589 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and do you know how much an airlift costs? 1590 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,960 Speaker 3: Does anyone want to know? 1591 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,719 Speaker 2: Even with insurance, it's gonna what two hundred grand something 1592 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,800 Speaker 2: like that. I mean, you're saddling these people. If they're 1593 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,240 Speaker 2: not if they're uninsured, you're saddled with debt for life. 1594 01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,840 Speaker 3: You're done. If a single event like this happens. 1595 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,160 Speaker 1: It's incredibly dangerous for these women to have to wait. 1596 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 1: They are in severe pain and suffering while they're having 1597 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: to be airlifted out of state to wherever to actually 1598 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,559 Speaker 1: get the care that they need. That means that wherever 1599 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,479 Speaker 1: that hospital is, they're not going to have their friends 1600 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,840 Speaker 1: and family and support network around them while they're recovering, 1601 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,800 Speaker 1: and they may have to undergo things like hysterectomies that 1602 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,320 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have if they could have gotten immediate emergency 1603 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 1: medical care. And by the way, they're still getting an abortion. 1604 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,880 Speaker 1: The number of abortions is precisely the same. You're just 1605 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,200 Speaker 1: ending up with vastly more cost and human suffering. I 1606 01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,240 Speaker 1: mean again, you're you're torturing these women for this band. 1607 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,920 Speaker 1: So that's the reality there was, Like I said, in 1608 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,200 Speaker 1: terms of the legal arguments, no idea which way this 1609 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,440 Speaker 1: is going to go, and it could have extraordinary repercussions. 1610 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,439 Speaker 1: This is one to watch really carefully. It certainly is 1611 01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,639 Speaker 1: going to have extraordinary repercussions for the women that live 1612 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,840 Speaker 1: in it's like twelve to fourteen states that have these 1613 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,479 Speaker 1: sorts of complete bands in place. I just there's no 1614 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that at some point a woman 1615 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 1: will die because she's not given an abortion, even though 1616 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, a doctor thought, oh maybe your life isn't 1617 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,200 Speaker 1: at risk and in the process of being airlifted, like 1618 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,040 Speaker 1: at some point that's going to happen if these laws 1619 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,479 Speaker 1: remain on the books. This is extraordinary too in terms 1620 01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,400 Speaker 1: of the way that women are processing the DOBS decision. 1621 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:42,759 Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. 1622 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,600 Speaker 1: The number of young adults, young women who have decided 1623 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,879 Speaker 1: to get their tubes tied post DOBS. I mean, huge, 1624 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:57,759 Speaker 1: huge spike, which just shows you. I mean, they're basically like, listen, 1625 01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,640 Speaker 1: if I'm not going to be able to have, you know, 1626 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 1: all these options on the table, like I'm just out, 1627 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm just not going to have kids. I'm going to 1628 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,160 Speaker 1: take that off the table. Like, no matter what I 1629 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,280 Speaker 1: think about in the future, this is done for me. 1630 01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty extraordinary too. And you know, 1631 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,960 Speaker 1: also contrary to a lot of conservatives who want women 1632 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,640 Speaker 1: to have children and families and have that be a 1633 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: core part of American life, this is exactly the opposite direction. 1634 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,600 Speaker 2: That's exactly why what I think, and I think this 1635 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,519 Speaker 2: is really sad also because it's a permanent procedure, also 1636 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,479 Speaker 2: not without risks, and also not without a cost that 1637 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,040 Speaker 2: costs a lot of money, you know, to get. 1638 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:29,760 Speaker 3: Any of these things done. 1639 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,240 Speaker 2: So regardless, we're just been posing like a huge amount 1640 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:36,000 Speaker 2: of costs, uncertainty, and chaos into the system all for 1641 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,879 Speaker 2: a policy which, if we leave to the democratic process, 1642 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 2: is going to get reversed. Let's go to the next one, please, 1643 01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,920 Speaker 2: just very clearly so everyone can see. Already, despite you know, 1644 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,800 Speaker 2: several tries by the Republicans to block it, they caved 1645 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,400 Speaker 2: and the Arizona House is now advanced to repeal of 1646 01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,280 Speaker 2: the state's near total abortion man in the Senate. 1647 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 3: And if you think that Arizona. 1648 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 2: Voters aren't going to remember that it took three separate 1649 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,360 Speaker 2: tries to get this through the Arizona houseverbal Presentatives that 1650 01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,879 Speaker 2: is controlled by the Republicans, then you're an idiot. 1651 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,439 Speaker 3: What they currently are. 1652 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,360 Speaker 2: Moving is an abortion law that would allow up to 1653 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,519 Speaker 2: fifteen weeks in the state. But again, we are talking 1654 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,479 Speaker 2: about a issue which had to be forced through the 1655 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:20,280 Speaker 2: Congress multiple times and which Terrie Lake is on record 1656 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,519 Speaker 2: endorsing and then flip flopping on. So even if we 1657 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,120 Speaker 2: get to some fifteen week thing, which that was the 1658 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,080 Speaker 2: previous iteration of the law, and in the previous iteration, 1659 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,400 Speaker 2: there was already a campaign to move it to a 1660 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,520 Speaker 2: statewide referendum. Because this fifteen weeks is still very unpopular. 1661 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,000 Speaker 2: Good luck to the Republicans who are running on this. 1662 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: Well, and you know how many Republicans joined with Democrats. 1663 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 3: I know, yeah, three, Yeah. 1664 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,760 Speaker 1: That's it, and many of them are still opposed to this, 1665 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,000 Speaker 1: which listen, in fairness to them, this law is consistent 1666 01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,879 Speaker 1: with what they've claimed they support for many many years, 1667 01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,479 Speaker 1: so you know, I mean true, I do think the 1668 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,439 Speaker 1: state starts thing really is such a cop out because 1669 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm not okay with like, oh, sure, it's fine if 1670 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,080 Speaker 1: Idaho decides they want to torture women, Like, no, I'm 1671 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,639 Speaker 1: not okay with that. This should be at the federal 1672 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,320 Speaker 1: leg there should be rights for women. So I mean 1673 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,599 Speaker 1: the Legila Like, I'm glad that they're getting this repeal through, 1674 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,320 Speaker 1: and I'm sure Arizonas at the ballot box were going 1675 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,559 Speaker 1: to have their say anyway, but you know, it's it 1676 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,360 Speaker 1: is clear that they have been faced with the political 1677 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 1: consequences of their long held positions that they worked so 1678 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,840 Speaker 1: hard to get enacted into law, and then when actually 1679 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,160 Speaker 1: faced with the political consequences of that, they are just 1680 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,160 Speaker 1: running as fast as they can in the other direction. 1681 01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,519 Speaker 1: And I just wonder, like, what is this going to 1682 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,519 Speaker 1: look like? Is the Republican Party going to shift? Because 1683 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Arizona is a swing state, the legislature was not overwhelmingly 1684 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 1: dominated by Republicans, They had a narrow majority, so you 1685 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,680 Speaker 1: only needed three to join with the Democrats. 1686 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:50,400 Speaker 4: To get this ultimately through. 1687 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,479 Speaker 1: But a lot of other states where even though the 1688 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,800 Speaker 1: public may be wildly opposed to these things. You've got 1689 01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 1: a very Republican dominated legislature who won't year of it. 1690 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Because the pro life movement is still so powerful and 1691 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,479 Speaker 1: so influential within the Republican caucus, and also because they 1692 01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: have stick down this position for so many years, it's 1693 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,519 Speaker 1: hard to just then explain why no, no, no, I didn't 1694 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 1: actually mean any of that. 1695 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:13,559 Speaker 4: Let's get rid of this band now. 1696 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,719 Speaker 2: National pro life is too powerful and it will never change, 1697 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,240 Speaker 2: even if it does on a state wide level. There 1698 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,000 Speaker 2: was a Republican governor who actually always wanted to run 1699 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,120 Speaker 2: for president and he never did. 1700 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,559 Speaker 3: You may remember him, Brian Sandival. He was the governor 1701 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:25,160 Speaker 3: of Nevada. 1702 01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,960 Speaker 2: He was one of the most popular Republicans in the 1703 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 2: entire country. But he was a non starter for what 1704 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,600 Speaker 2: reason he was pro choice and being pro choice, that 1705 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,120 Speaker 2: was it not going to happen. There's no way even 1706 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 2: look at what happened with John McCain. John McCain was 1707 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,599 Speaker 2: like relatively moderated on abortion by two thousand and what 1708 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,760 Speaker 2: was he partial? He was like pro partial birth or 1709 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,599 Speaker 2: something pro whatever. My point is that he was out 1710 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,679 Speaker 2: of step with the national parl That caused no big 1711 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,840 Speaker 2: consternation back in two thousand and eight with the pro 1712 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 2: life standoffs, so their power, I don't think it's going 1713 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:54,720 Speaker 2: to go down. 1714 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,240 Speaker 3: Look at Trump even, yeah, I mean. 1715 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,479 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the perfect example. He was pro choice 1716 01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,760 Speaker 1: for most of it. He was given planned parent and 1717 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,439 Speaker 1: then he but and there were so many issues where 1718 01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,320 Speaker 1: he was happy to steamroll rhetorically over the Republican establih. 1719 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,479 Speaker 1: I mean, the Iraq war is a perfect example. He's 1720 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,600 Speaker 1: just like, no, this is what I think, trade with China, whatever, Like, 1721 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 1: there were a bunch of issues or the TPP trade 1722 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,559 Speaker 1: deal that was huge with the Republican establishment, and he 1723 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,080 Speaker 1: was willing to steamroll over that. But he knew he 1724 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,920 Speaker 1: could not. He could not be out of step with 1725 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:31,240 Speaker 1: the Republican base when it came to abortion. Let's move 1726 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 1: on to the very latest out of Israel. We have 1727 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,000 Speaker 1: some grim news to report this morning. Let's put this 1728 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,040 Speaker 1: up on the screen. There are increasing signs that that 1729 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 1: RAFA invasion is all but inevitable. In what some analysts 1730 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 1: they write in this piece of the New York Times 1731 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and residents of the city saw as a preparation for 1732 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,439 Speaker 1: an invasion in Israeli military official on Tuesday, gave some 1733 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,720 Speaker 1: details that include relocating civilians to a. 1734 01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,080 Speaker 4: Quote safe zone. There are none of those, by the way. 1735 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,679 Speaker 1: A few miles away along the Mediterranean coast that would 1736 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,160 Speaker 1: be I believe it's called Mawasseie. 1737 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,320 Speaker 4: We've talked about this before. 1738 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,640 Speaker 1: Where there's there are no there is nothing set up 1739 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:13,320 Speaker 1: there that would ename sewage, water, shelter, any of the 1740 01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,480 Speaker 1: basics of life there is wildly inadequate. 1741 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,680 Speaker 4: In any case, They go on to. 1742 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,479 Speaker 1: Say, just a day earlier, Israeli warplanes bombed Rafa. We 1743 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,080 Speaker 1: covered that here, increasing fears among some of the civilians 1744 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,280 Speaker 1: sheltering there that a ground assault would soon follow. They 1745 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,360 Speaker 1: interview a fifty seven year old resident of Rafa who 1746 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,120 Speaker 1: said that these indicators are quote terrifying, mean they may 1747 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,080 Speaker 1: really be close to starting an operation. He says, our 1748 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,200 Speaker 1: bags have been packed for months now at for the 1749 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 1: time of evacuation, and you know, to give you a 1750 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,840 Speaker 1: sense of how much this is being cheerleaded within Israel 1751 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,519 Speaker 1: and how many preparations are being made, an influential think 1752 01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,120 Speaker 1: tank called the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel 1753 01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,640 Speaker 1: Aviv called on Israel to make quote brave decisions and 1754 01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,640 Speaker 1: to develop a plan for the hermetic clothesure of the 1755 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,920 Speaker 1: Philadelphi Corridor in close cooperation with Egypt and the US. 1756 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,240 Speaker 1: That would be a violation of the agreement between Egypt 1757 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,439 Speaker 1: and Israel from I believe it was two thousand and 1758 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,000 Speaker 1: five that assigned you know, authority to Egypt to secure 1759 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,280 Speaker 1: that border. And then obviously the I can't even tell 1760 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 1: you how many, how many deaths we're looking at, how 1761 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,120 Speaker 1: much of an exacerbation of the humanitarian crisis. You know, 1762 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,719 Speaker 1: many of the people in Rafa, they're either from Gaza 1763 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,160 Speaker 1: City or they're from Communis. 1764 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,120 Speaker 4: Both of those cities have been wiped off the map. 1765 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,599 Speaker 4: Gone yes, So there's nothing to go back to there. 1766 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,160 Speaker 1: There is no real plan that is credibile at all 1767 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,439 Speaker 1: to protect people whatsoever. And so it's going to there's 1768 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,839 Speaker 1: just it's going to be continued horror, like escalated horror. 1769 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,080 Speaker 1: The death toll is going to be massive, the humanitarian 1770 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,719 Speaker 1: toll is going to be gigantic. The diplomatic fallout with Egypt, 1771 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 1: god knows what's going to happen. There very upset about 1772 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,920 Speaker 1: this direction. So it looks more and more like that 1773 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,000 Speaker 1: report of Biden said, Hey, if you do a more 1774 01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: limited strike on Iran. 1775 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,000 Speaker 4: Fine, you can go into Rafa. I mean that's looking 1776 01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:06,799 Speaker 4: very possible. 1777 01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,519 Speaker 2: Like that actually unfolded, absolutely, and if we stick with 1778 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,920 Speaker 2: the US political system and where things are, let's go 1779 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,559 Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen, because this 1780 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,840 Speaker 2: is extraordinary. Mike Johnson says that he is admitted to 1781 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,720 Speaker 2: this by this is not even reporting. Said he had 1782 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,200 Speaker 2: called White House, specifically Jake Sullivan to intervene and on 1783 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,799 Speaker 2: behalf of the Israeli military if President Biden was considering 1784 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,040 Speaker 2: slapping sanctions on that Israeli military battalion which was charged 1785 01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,439 Speaker 2: with violating human rights in the West Bank. 1786 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,639 Speaker 3: Again, keep in mind this is in the West Bank. 1787 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,400 Speaker 2: These are allegations that actually stem both before October seventh 1788 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,720 Speaker 2: than others. That is a violation of the State Department's 1789 01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,000 Speaker 2: Leahy Law, which says that we will sanction any individual 1790 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,320 Speaker 2: will not provide any US support to military battalions or 1791 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,000 Speaker 2: forces which are engaged in what the US State Department 1792 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,639 Speaker 2: determines as an ongoing human rights abuse. And independent report 1793 01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,679 Speaker 2: which we covered here had previously identified human rights abuses 1794 01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 2: by this idea of battalion inside of the occupied West Bank, 1795 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,599 Speaker 2: and that with that policy was a violation of law, 1796 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,680 Speaker 2: and our speaker actually called and it appears Crystal he 1797 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,960 Speaker 2: was successful, and it does not look like these sanctions 1798 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 2: are going through. 1799 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,040 Speaker 1: The White House is pushing back on that, but you're 1800 01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,360 Speaker 1: right that there was hid reports and it hasn't happened yet, 1801 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,880 Speaker 1: and there were multiple reports that the White House was 1802 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,760 Speaker 1: backing off of this. And there's a lot of things 1803 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,760 Speaker 1: to say about this. Number one, just one. There are 1804 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,240 Speaker 1: many incidents of you know, documented torture, allegations and all 1805 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,840 Speaker 1: sorts of horrifying things from this unit, which is this 1806 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,760 Speaker 1: unit that's set up specifically for the ultra orthodox, has 1807 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of these quote unquote hill top youth sort 1808 01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,160 Speaker 1: of like radical often violent settlers that are in this unit. 1809 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,639 Speaker 1: So surprise, surprise, lots of human rights violations in one 1810 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,320 Speaker 1: of them include it was a Palestinian American who was 1811 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,479 Speaker 1: an elderly man, I think around eighty years old who 1812 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,000 Speaker 1: was tortured, handcuffed and left in the cold to die. 1813 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,960 Speaker 1: That's one of the allegations and incidents here that we're 1814 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:04,639 Speaker 1: talking about. 1815 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,320 Speaker 4: So our own speaker. 1816 01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Is supposedly American Speaker of the House begging this administration 1817 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:15,559 Speaker 1: to violate US law. To let this unit off the 1818 01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:20,720 Speaker 1: hook for killing an American citizen like it's insane. And 1819 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm critical of the very limited nature of 1820 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,960 Speaker 1: this to begin with, because the whole conceit from the 1821 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,320 Speaker 1: Biden administration is, oh, it's just a few bad apples 1822 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,759 Speaker 1: that it isn't the direct result of overwhelming government policy. 1823 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,879 Speaker 1: But it's at least something, and clearly the net Nyahoo 1824 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:41,040 Speaker 1: administration doesn't like it. So in any case, extraordinary. He 1825 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 1: revealed this, by the way, to Hugh Hewitt. He said, quote, 1826 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,120 Speaker 1: we heard a rumor of this before our aid bill 1827 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,040 Speaker 1: was actually brought for a vote in the House, I 1828 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 1: mean hours before. I'll tell you what I did, Hugh, 1829 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,920 Speaker 1: and I don't. I guess I'm breaking news here. No 1830 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,920 Speaker 1: one knows this, but I called the White House immediately 1831 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,639 Speaker 1: and talked with Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken was overseas 1832 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:56,160 Speaker 1: at the moment. 1833 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. 1834 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,760 Speaker 2: So that's one where it's very very clear I think 1835 01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,160 Speaker 2: where things are going, and also the defense that they 1836 01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 2: have with the political system as we grapple with what 1837 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,200 Speaker 2: a potential invasion of RAPA would look like. We'd also 1838 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,240 Speaker 2: be remiss if we didn't get everybody an update on 1839 01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:12,800 Speaker 2: the Gaza floating pier. 1840 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me how is construction going? 1841 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:14,920 Speaker 3: In? 1842 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,880 Speaker 2: The US military was to We're putting our servicemen in 1843 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,479 Speaker 2: danger building this peer. 1844 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:20,320 Speaker 3: All of that. 1845 01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:25,400 Speaker 2: We recently got an update from the US military Pentagon spokesperson. 1846 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,720 Speaker 2: Turns out not a single thing is actually close to 1847 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:28,520 Speaker 2: being operational. 1848 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,519 Speaker 3: Here's what you have to say. 1849 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,559 Speaker 13: You have the temporary peer, which is of course several 1850 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,879 Speaker 13: miles offshore, which can receive both military and civilian vessels. 1851 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,200 Speaker 13: There has been no physical construction of the temporary peer 1852 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:46,679 Speaker 13: or the causeway. We are positioned to begin construction very soon, 1853 01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,320 Speaker 13: in the very near future. 1854 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,760 Speaker 2: So very soon in the near future. It has now 1855 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,400 Speaker 2: been forty eight days since bri Joe. I can't believe 1856 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,120 Speaker 2: state of the units forty eight days ago. I feel 1857 01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,800 Speaker 2: like I'm living in a time vacuum. I feel like 1858 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,000 Speaker 2: this yere covering it. But okay, put that aside. It 1859 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,240 Speaker 2: feels like just yesterday we were covering it, we were 1860 01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,439 Speaker 2: talking about it, we were doing segments about it. It's 1861 01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,400 Speaker 2: been fifty days now and nothing is happening. In the 1862 01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,160 Speaker 2: near future. It may be operational, they put out all 1863 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,639 Speaker 2: those diagrams. It's like, is this even going to happen 1864 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,639 Speaker 2: at this point? Doesn't look like it. And in the interim, 1865 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,000 Speaker 2: the whole reason that it was the bust happened was 1866 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,559 Speaker 2: that more aid was supposed to go into the Gaza 1867 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 2: strip and then that hasn't happened either, So what has 1868 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,360 Speaker 2: the damage rot been in the meantime? 1869 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,400 Speaker 3: So more fecklessness on the part of. 1870 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,040 Speaker 1: The USUS just they think we're so stupid, you know, 1871 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean, well most people are hard like we honestly 1872 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,200 Speaker 1: called this from the beginning that it was a total 1873 01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,240 Speaker 1: pr stunt, skeptical if it was even going to happen. 1874 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,920 Speaker 1: We knew it was going to say they were claiming 1875 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,240 Speaker 1: sixty days at most, at most they were. 1876 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,800 Speaker 4: Weren't they saying thirty to sixty days? 1877 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,880 Speaker 3: And that what they were saying, Yes, that's right, that's 1878 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:46,360 Speaker 3: what they said. 1879 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:47,120 Speaker 4: Here we are. 1880 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Forty eight days later and they have not even started 1881 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,000 Speaker 1: and cannot even give us a date for when it 1882 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 1: would start, Like this was just a lie, something for 1883 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to say the State of the Union, to 1884 01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:06,040 Speaker 1: pretend like he cares about Palestinian civilians starving to death 1885 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,759 Speaker 1: and dying on mass They haven't even started. 1886 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,800 Speaker 4: They haven't even started. Just incredible. 1887 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,040 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, so you've got the imminent invasion of Rafa, you 1888 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,559 Speaker 1: already have anted up strikes which are killing Palestine civilians 1889 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,639 Speaker 1: and many children. Now you also have Gaza basically coming 1890 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:25,400 Speaker 1: to the West Bank. 1891 01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,920 Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. 1892 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,360 Speaker 1: There's been very little reporting on this apparently, even though 1893 01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,400 Speaker 1: there's been this has been ongoing for a while. Their 1894 01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,080 Speaker 1: headline here is Israel's hut for one elusive militant brings 1895 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,719 Speaker 1: Gaza tactics to the West Bank. Airstrikes, drones and ground 1896 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:45,599 Speaker 1: troops targeting militants turned Palestinian territory into another war front. 1897 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,080 Speaker 1: So you know, we have already had the war expanded 1898 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,760 Speaker 1: into Lebanon and Syria and Iran and now ramping up 1899 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,880 Speaker 1: also in the West Bank. And you know, make no 1900 01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,000 Speaker 1: mistake about it, they've killed more than four hundred thirty 1901 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,679 Speaker 1: five Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1902 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,639 Speaker 1: October seventh. About forty nine hundred Palestinians have been injured 1903 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,799 Speaker 1: in the West Bank specifically since then, either by Israeli 1904 01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,000 Speaker 1: forces or by settlers. We brought you that news previously 1905 01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:18,200 Speaker 1: of that Israeli settler pogram that unfolded with the IDF 1906 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,760 Speaker 1: just standing by and watching. So, you know, West Bank 1907 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,680 Speaker 1: increasingly looking more like the Gaza strip in terms of 1908 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Israeli tactics. And then the last thing we wanted to 1909 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,000 Speaker 1: share with you is this little nugget from the New 1910 01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:30,479 Speaker 1: York Times. 1911 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,559 Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. 1912 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,560 Speaker 1: This went sort of unremarked upon, but seems pretty significant. 1913 01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,640 Speaker 1: The headline here is the stark reality of Israel's fight 1914 01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,799 Speaker 1: in Gaza, and they're saying basically, you know, it's similar 1915 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,720 Speaker 1: to like what Haratz had written before about if you 1916 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,240 Speaker 1: look at their stated goals, it's not going too well. 1917 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 1: You know, they aren't really accomplishing their mission. We saw 1918 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,800 Speaker 1: those reports that Shinwar is sort of still openly operating. 1919 01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,040 Speaker 1: The Israelis of Clay always just hunkered down in this 1920 01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,200 Speaker 1: tunnel and can't do anything. There were some reports at 1921 01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,280 Speaker 1: least that were very contrary to that, but specific. What 1922 01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to point to in this piece is they say, 1923 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:06,639 Speaker 1: quote in an annual intelligence assessment released in March, American 1924 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,760 Speaker 1: spy agencies express doubts about Israel's ability to truly destroy. 1925 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 4: Hamas, which the US IS doesneyed as. 1926 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,439 Speaker 1: A terrorist group, Israel probably will face a lingering armed 1927 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,479 Speaker 1: resistance from Hamas for years to come, the report said, 1928 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,920 Speaker 1: and the military will struggle to neutralize Hamas's underground infrastructure, 1929 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,840 Speaker 1: which allows insurgents to hide, regain strength, and surprise Israeli forces. 1930 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,120 Speaker 4: So even the US intel. 1931 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,639 Speaker 1: Community is saying, like, you're not going to defeat Hamas, 1932 01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,320 Speaker 1: and I mean that's the conceit with Rafa is like, oh, 1933 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,720 Speaker 1: once we do that, it's the final boss, right, once 1934 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,639 Speaker 1: we go into Rafa, then finally Hamas will be defeated. 1935 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,320 Speaker 1: And this is just it's just bullshit. It's just going 1936 01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,559 Speaker 1: to cause more misery and suffering. I've come back to 1937 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,760 Speaker 1: what someone on Twitter, some wise person on Twitter said, 1938 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,639 Speaker 1: which is like they've managed to destroy everything in Gaza 1939 01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,759 Speaker 1: except for Hamas. 1940 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an astounding that, according to this that 1941 01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,599 Speaker 2: Sinwar still maintains command and control of the organization. It's 1942 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,599 Speaker 2: like a glaring failure. It's a lot like the Bin 1943 01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,760 Speaker 2: Laden thing. Actually, Afghanistan is the perfect example. So we 1944 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:07,800 Speaker 2: had a couple of options. In Afghanistan. We could have 1945 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,960 Speaker 2: gone in, thrown everything at the Battle of Torbora, actually 1946 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,439 Speaker 2: killed Bin Laden, and then we could have gotten the 1947 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:13,040 Speaker 2: hell out of there. 1948 01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:14,560 Speaker 3: Instead we get distracted. 1949 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,000 Speaker 2: We want to oh, now we're propping up the freedom 1950 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,120 Speaker 2: forces and now we're going to build a democracy. In 1951 01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,320 Speaker 2: the Israeli case, they're just wiping out basically every building 1952 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,280 Speaker 2: that exists for any future operation. But the actual people 1953 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,360 Speaker 2: responsible for our October seven, they don't seem to have 1954 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,679 Speaker 2: any actually been punished in the way that they allegedly 1955 01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,720 Speaker 2: could have been. And you could have just had a 1956 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,000 Speaker 2: dedicated to counter terrorism operation from the beginning which would 1957 01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,679 Speaker 2: have done this. You could have avoided all this carnage 1958 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,200 Speaker 2: and all this nonsense. And very much like us, they 1959 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,160 Speaker 2: will likely reap the reward of that which is an 1960 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:53,920 Speaker 2: ongoing mass terrorist blob inside of Gaza that is ungovernable, 1961 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,879 Speaker 2: inside of a chaos that will bother them now. 1962 01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,639 Speaker 3: For years and years and years to come. 1963 01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:02,679 Speaker 2: So good luck to them, and they are solely responsible 1964 01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,559 Speaker 2: now at this point and for what they're going to reap. 1965 01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,439 Speaker 1: And also like it's nice that the media is now 1966 01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,360 Speaker 1: like actually waking up to this fact or actually admitting 1967 01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,960 Speaker 1: this fact. But we've been saying this. We played that 1968 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Jocko will it clip how early on when he was. 1969 01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,639 Speaker 3: Like it does not rocket sign. 1970 01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: If you actually, okay, if they're serious about counter and tagency, 1971 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,880 Speaker 1: here's how you do it. You're actually really nice to 1972 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,880 Speaker 1: the civilian population. You fled them with aid because you 1973 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,440 Speaker 1: want to create a wedge between. 1974 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,040 Speaker 4: Them and Hummus. 1975 01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,599 Speaker 1: They haven't had any other option than Hamas as their government, 1976 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,000 Speaker 1: so you have to give them some other alternative that's 1977 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,559 Speaker 1: going to satisfy their aspiration. So whether that's you know, 1978 01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,920 Speaker 1: it talks towards peace, some sort of negotiation. We know 1979 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,760 Speaker 1: throughout history with the Gaza strip, when negotiations and possibility 1980 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:48,719 Speaker 1: of peace we're ongoing, support for militant groups like Humas 1981 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:49,920 Speaker 1: were much lower. 1982 01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,280 Speaker 4: So you do that. 1983 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,559 Speaker 1: You also need the civilian population to collaborate with you 1984 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 1: and tell you where Sinoar is hiding or whatever, and 1985 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,920 Speaker 1: then you do count targeted counter insurgency strikes. That's the 1986 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,400 Speaker 1: way you do that. It was never approached that way. Instead, 1987 01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,360 Speaker 1: the first thing they do it was bomb the hell 1988 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,200 Speaker 1: out a gaza and kill a bunch of kids and 1989 01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,040 Speaker 1: civilians bury them under rubble and drop two thousand pounds 1990 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:17,320 Speaker 1: bombs on refugee camps and raid hospitals, etc. That was 1991 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,600 Speaker 1: the first approach. So we always knew this was not 1992 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:26,439 Speaker 1: some intelligent, strategic, targeted attempt to get The batties who 1993 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,920 Speaker 1: fomented October seven are genuine bad guys, like I'm not 1994 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,479 Speaker 1: denying that, but we always knew that. And now here 1995 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,320 Speaker 1: we are, what are we seven months? And now at 1996 01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,120 Speaker 1: this point they're finally like, oh, by the way, this 1997 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,400 Speaker 1: may not work. It's like, no shit. And how many 1998 01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,320 Speaker 1: of these people who you've kids, who you've orphaned and 1999 01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,080 Speaker 1: murdered their brother and sister, left them amputees for life whatever, 2000 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,960 Speaker 1: How peace loving do you think that they're going to 2001 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:54,040 Speaker 1: be in the future. How many new comas recruits do 2002 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,040 Speaker 1: you think that you have created while you've been doing this, 2003 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,680 Speaker 1: And there's no end in sight, no end. 2004 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,640 Speaker 4: In sight whatsoever? Absolutely all right, soccer, what are you 2005 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:06,040 Speaker 4: looking at? 2006 01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:06,360 Speaker 3: Well? 2007 01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,160 Speaker 2: Oftentimes in American politics, historical analogies are stretched too thin. 2008 01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:11,439 Speaker 3: They don't even mean anything. 2009 01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,840 Speaker 2: How every time that we need to fund a foreign war, 2010 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,360 Speaker 2: it's Munich in nineteen thirty eight, or every time a 2011 01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,719 Speaker 2: new election is the most important election of our lifetime, 2012 01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,479 Speaker 2: it's recapturing the spirit of seventeen seventy six. 2013 01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,920 Speaker 3: Most of the time it doesn't have any relation. 2014 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,639 Speaker 2: And if it does, it's far less related than those 2015 01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,520 Speaker 2: people lead you to believe. But with all my cynicism, 2016 01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,799 Speaker 2: even I am struck by this recent observation from historian 2017 01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,720 Speaker 2: Keith Rahel, who notes, quote, I just can't believe the 2018 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,760 Speaker 2: parallels of nineteen sixty eight. I mean, okay, Columbia has 2019 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,519 Speaker 2: widespread unrest, there's widespread anti war activism. 2020 01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,680 Speaker 3: That might be the confidence but coincidence. 2021 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,160 Speaker 2: But there's a guy named Robert Kennedy running for president, 2022 01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,960 Speaker 2: and the DNC is Chicago. Like this is even a 2023 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,360 Speaker 2: bit to make it even more eerie, As he notes 2024 01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,600 Speaker 2: later on, the original Planet of the Apes movie was 2025 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,960 Speaker 2: released in nineteen sixty eight, and we are, of course 2026 01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,240 Speaker 2: due for our latest in the modern series to be 2027 01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,360 Speaker 2: released in this year, twenty twenty four. Hype for Planet 2028 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,040 Speaker 2: of the Apes aside, there is something actually very eerie 2029 01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,160 Speaker 2: about all of this. Even though it's obviously not a 2030 01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,760 Speaker 2: one to one situation with nineteen sixty eight, there's a 2031 01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,640 Speaker 2: lot of lessons we can still learn from one of 2032 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,840 Speaker 2: the most important years in modern American history. 2033 01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:15,760 Speaker 3: Start with the campus parallel. 2034 01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,960 Speaker 2: Exactly fifty six years ago to the day of this monologue, 2035 01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,439 Speaker 2: Columbia University was a washed with protests over the Vietnam 2036 01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,680 Speaker 2: War and what students said were racist policies at the university. 2037 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,720 Speaker 2: Students seized five buildings, they took the Dean hostage, they 2038 01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,240 Speaker 2: refused to vacate, and this led to a week long 2039 01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,240 Speaker 2: standoff until April thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, when nearly one 2040 01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,200 Speaker 2: thousand officers from the New York City Tactical Patrol Office 2041 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,479 Speaker 2: poured onto campus used force to arrest students. More than 2042 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:44,960 Speaker 2: one hundred ended up being injured in those arrests, and 2043 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,679 Speaker 2: photos went viral in their. 2044 01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:47,880 Speaker 3: Own nineteen sixty eight way. 2045 01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,400 Speaker 2: The Columbia protests, like today, were a flashpoint because it 2046 01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,519 Speaker 2: all happened in New York City and it got massive 2047 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:58,200 Speaker 2: media attention. That March April to nineteen sixty eight period, 2048 01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,559 Speaker 2: exactly fifty six years ago, was a massive turning point 2049 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,799 Speaker 2: in American history. It was days before the Columbia University 2050 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,240 Speaker 2: protests that Robert Kennedy decided to enter the Democratic race 2051 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,080 Speaker 2: against Lyndon Johnson. Here, too, the parallels are striking. LBJ 2052 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,000 Speaker 2: was an unpopular incumbent Democratic president. He had ripped his 2053 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,960 Speaker 2: coalition in half with the Vietnam War and his pursuit 2054 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,840 Speaker 2: of the Civil Rights Act. He was, however, a masterful 2055 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,640 Speaker 2: politician who had seemed would be able to hold on 2056 01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,800 Speaker 2: to his nomination until someone with the golden last name 2057 01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,840 Speaker 2: of Kennedy enters the race. Kennedy's entry into the race 2058 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,519 Speaker 2: was done largely out of opposition to lbj's Vietnam war policy, 2059 01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,639 Speaker 2: in the same way that the current RFK is against 2060 01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:40,519 Speaker 2: Biden's Ukraine policy and his fundamental belief that both Nixon 2061 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,080 Speaker 2: and LBJ would divide rather than unite the country. Now 2062 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,400 Speaker 2: sadly for us all, of course, Kennedy was assassinated in 2063 01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:50,320 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight in questionable circumstances, tying Democrats' hands and 2064 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,240 Speaker 2: leading to the nomination of Hubert H. Humphrey, which was 2065 01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,280 Speaker 2: the vice president of LBJ. It leads to the final 2066 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,719 Speaker 2: eerie parallel of nineteen sixty eight the upcoming Democratic convention 2067 01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,080 Speaker 2: in Icago, reminding us of the past. Many people know 2068 01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,040 Speaker 2: that the nineteen sixty eight Chicago Convention was violent, but 2069 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,200 Speaker 2: very few actually know the details. The Democratic Coalition at 2070 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,479 Speaker 2: that time was a lot like today, completely split on 2071 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,320 Speaker 2: how to handle Vietnam. Their approach to politics was generally 2072 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,160 Speaker 2: that older voters were much more likely to support the 2073 01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,679 Speaker 2: Vietnam War and to put their trust in the president. 2074 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,120 Speaker 2: While radical politics had completely overtaken the youth vote. Democratic 2075 01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,640 Speaker 2: leaders they knew this going into the convention, and they 2076 01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,479 Speaker 2: had a mission, just like Biden has today, cover up 2077 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,919 Speaker 2: all their differences, squashing protests and especially against the Johnson 2078 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,519 Speaker 2: faction of the DNC. Now the president at the United 2079 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,720 Speaker 2: Today wanted to present this united Front against Nixon. But 2080 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,800 Speaker 2: these heavy handed tactics backfired massively. Major Mayor Richard Daly 2081 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,479 Speaker 2: of Chicago took extreme security measures at that convention to 2082 01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,960 Speaker 2: keep protesters out, including putting own restrictions on media coverage. 2083 01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,240 Speaker 2: Protesters knew this, and then they sought to get their 2084 01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,759 Speaker 2: attention anyways, so they began a march to the convention grounds. 2085 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,080 Speaker 2: From there, the torch is led police protesters are clashing 2086 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,240 Speaker 2: in the streets, tear gas, beatings, violence. It dominated the 2087 01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,519 Speaker 2: airwaves in the age when a vast majority of the 2088 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,560 Speaker 2: population was watching television and it didn't have alternative entertainment options. 2089 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,800 Speaker 2: What few also remember is this the nineteen sixty eight 2090 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,720 Speaker 2: was not just an election between two candidates. It was 2091 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,679 Speaker 2: between three candidates. Here, again, the parallels are very eerie. 2092 01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,600 Speaker 2: Third party candidate George Wallace ran on a platform of 2093 01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,479 Speaker 2: preserving the Jim Crow regime in the South. It split 2094 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,400 Speaker 2: a critical part of the Democratic coalition from Hubert Humphrey. 2095 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,679 Speaker 2: The subsequent vote results show us that Richard Nixon won 2096 01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,920 Speaker 2: three hundred and one electoral votes, but with just forty 2097 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,720 Speaker 2: three percent of the popular vote. Hubert Humphrey got one 2098 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,920 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety one electoral votes, but he got forty 2099 01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:48,479 Speaker 2: two point seven George Wallace carried forty six electoral votes 2100 01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,679 Speaker 2: thirteen percent of the overall vote. Take a look here 2101 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,800 Speaker 2: at the most recent poll of RFK Junior in a 2102 01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,000 Speaker 2: lineup against Biden and Trump, and you see RFK Junior 2103 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,200 Speaker 2: is projected to get exactly thirteen percent of the vote 2104 01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:04,439 Speaker 2: right now, much like that Wallace campaign in nineteen sixty eight. Now, 2105 01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,080 Speaker 2: have I shoehorned a few things in here to fit 2106 01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,880 Speaker 2: my story? Yes, absolutely, our things as bad today as 2107 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,439 Speaker 2: they were in nineteen sixty eight. No, thank god, at 2108 01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,519 Speaker 2: least for now, thousands of American servicemen remain safe and 2109 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,040 Speaker 2: not on the front line in an. 2110 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,200 Speaker 3: Active and unwinnable war. 2111 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,519 Speaker 2: But the electoral parallels teach us one lesson that the 2112 01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,960 Speaker 2: chaos of sixty eight has left a lasting impression upon 2113 01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,000 Speaker 2: all of us, and that the chaos at the time 2114 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,519 Speaker 2: itself was not inevitable. It was a choice of the 2115 01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,400 Speaker 2: elites at that time who lied and they cheated, and 2116 01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,760 Speaker 2: they hid vital facts from the American public, and then 2117 01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,559 Speaker 2: they refuse to grapple with the righteous outrage at being deceived. 2118 01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 2: So it's actually pretty fascinating to think. 2119 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,480 Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, 2120 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,719 Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. 2121 01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,640 Speaker 3: All right, guys, thank you so much for watching. 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