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Speaker 1: Was it not? It's true, over and over again, Colorado Murder.

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Speaker 1: He had another target that he was first of all

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Speaker 1: thinking about doing, but what he investigated he was worried

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Speaker 1: that there would be people there with guds to go

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Speaker 1: twenty did drive of the murder's apartment, there only one

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Speaker 1: theaters beforehead. Only one of those movie theaters posted sides

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Speaker 1: bading permitted concealed handguns. It wasn't the one that was

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Speaker 1: closest to his home, it wasn't the one that had

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Speaker 1: the largest theaters, but he went to the only one

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Speaker 1: that bad people be able to go and protect themselves.

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Speaker 1: That you know, The amazing thing is that the media

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Speaker 1: refuses to mention these guys making these types of claims.

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Speaker 1: The media it's just so biased. So for example, the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo mass murder, say what hold that well, John, hold

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Speaker 1: that thought on the Buffalo massmer We'll pick that up

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Speaker 1: when we come back. And we'll also get to the

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Speaker 1: media misreporting on defensive gun uses and how many lights

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment actually saves. We'll get to that with

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Speaker 1: doctor John Lottie's president of the Crime Prevention Research Center.

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Speaker 1: I am Jason Lewis. You are on the claim Buck show.

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Speaker 1: How sad it is, how dysfunctional it is that George

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Speaker 1: Soros's Open Society foundations have an assault on policing in

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Speaker 1: America while at the same time his groups and other

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Speaker 1: liberal groups like that are assaulting your right to defend yourself.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a recipe for a crime wave, and yet

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Speaker 1: the insanity continues. You take a look at Times Square.

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Speaker 1: They've got gun free zone signs everywhere. They're electronic signs

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Speaker 1: that change their messages every five minutes, licensed gun carriers

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Speaker 1: and others. Gun free zone, prohibition of guns, especially authorized

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Speaker 1: by law. And yet like the Mall of America, which

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Speaker 1: is a gun free zone, we keep getting these criminal acts.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like people aren't obeying the law. John Lott,

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Speaker 1: Our guests from Crime Prevention Research Center. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean percent of mass public shootings occur in places

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Speaker 1: where guns are banned. People may be crazy in some sense,

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Speaker 1: but they're not stupid. Their goal is to kill as

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Speaker 1: many people as they can, and so they go to

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Speaker 1: the place where people can't defend themselves. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you have one police officer in uniform in a school

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Speaker 1: or someplace else, they have an almost impossible job. If

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Speaker 1: you have one person in uniform and he's the only

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Speaker 1: person with a gun, it's kind of like the guy

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Speaker 1: has a sign on top of them saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: a neon sign saying shoot me first. Because these murderers

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Speaker 1: know that if they kill that one person, the only

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Speaker 1: person that's allowed to have a gun in those places,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have free reign to go after everybody

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Speaker 1: else that's there. And so, you know, my heart goes

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Speaker 1: out to the police that have to go and do

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Speaker 1: those jobs, but they have a very difficult job. If

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Speaker 1: you allow concealed carry permits, then you make the job

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Speaker 1: of the officer much safer because the murderer then has

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Speaker 1: to realize that when he tries to take out the

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Speaker 1: police officer, he has to worry that somebody who he

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Speaker 1: can't identify before him behind number to the side might

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Speaker 1: be able to go and take them out. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at you know, one of the victories, let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit of good news here. One of

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Speaker 1: the victories that quite frankly, you and I going back

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Speaker 1: too many decades, a couple of decades, one of the

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Speaker 1: victories we've we've had is the expansion of concealed carry

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Speaker 1: throughout the United States. And they were very very rare,

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Speaker 1: and certainly in my home state, but throughout the country,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to you and efforts, we've expanded concealed carry. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about that, the ability of people to get

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Speaker 1: a permit, not shall or basically shall issue laws, is

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Speaker 1: that the wild West. Shootouts other than by criminals who

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Speaker 1: don't have a concealed carry permit, never occurred with people

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Speaker 1: are responsible owning a gun. Yeah, what you find is

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Speaker 1: that the permit holders are incredibly law by. They lose

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Speaker 1: their permits for any type of firearms related violation at

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Speaker 1: about one twelfth the rate the police. Officers are convicted

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Speaker 1: of violent crimes with guns, and police are rarely convicted.

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Speaker 1: They're convicted about one twentieth the rate of the general population.

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing is all this nashing of teats

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Speaker 1: and everything when these concealed carry laws get passed. But

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Speaker 1: then after six months or a year, when people realize

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Speaker 1: that all the fears that they had, and this will

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Speaker 1: be true in the seven May issue states that are

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Speaker 1: being forced because of the Supreme Court decision in Bruin

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Speaker 1: earlier this year to change their rules, they're going to realize,

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Speaker 1: you know, that their fears were all misplaced. That's happened

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Speaker 1: time after time. You're exactly right, So I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the psychological analysis is above our paygrade. But

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Speaker 1: what could possibly be driving the George Soros crowd where

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Speaker 1: at the same time we're disarming or not disarming, but

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Speaker 1: defunding police. We're disarming Americans. What could possibly be lurking

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Speaker 1: in their minds, in anybody's mind, who would want to

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Speaker 1: do that? Look, you know, it seems pretty obvious to me.

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Speaker 1: It seems like anybody who's head kids knows that if

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Speaker 1: you tell them that there is certain punishment that they're

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Speaker 1: going to face for doing certain things, they're less likely

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Speaker 1: to go and do those types of things. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a general difference between liberals and conservatives. Giving an example,

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Speaker 1: and that is take something like health insurance Obamacare. You know,

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Speaker 1: does it gives you almost no choice? You know, the

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Speaker 1: only choice that you have between the different plans is

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Speaker 1: the size is reductible. But if you're a sixty five

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Speaker 1: year old woman, you're still covered for childbirth. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: have no choice. And that's he pay much higher premium

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Speaker 1: and you would have to pay otherwise. And it's just

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Speaker 1: because they don't trust people to make decisions for themselves.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't trust people to make decisions on

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Speaker 1: things like your health insurance, you know, trusting him with

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Speaker 1: the weapon is turn off. You gotta admit him. Doctor

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Speaker 1: John Lotte, thank you so much. Third Hour coming up play.

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth