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Speaker 2: That was pretty well done. I'm fired up that you're here.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm glad to be here man, because you had
Speaker 3: you guys made it like well, I tried to be
Speaker 3: I saw you posted that. I was like, Yo, they
Speaker 3: gotta come.
Speaker 2: Because Ohio State was on. I think we were going
Speaker 2: to go to Iowa.
Speaker 1: But then when you reached out and then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Brian Hartline, weird flex, but it's a flex.
Speaker 1: Brian Hartline follows me. I will DM him and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are we talking like, let's start the Coty No.
Speaker 1: He responded to a tweet. I was like, Yo, you guys,
Speaker 1: come on Columbus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, dude, of all the places when we were going
Speaker 4: through like spring football tour, what should do?
Speaker 2: This is like back in December.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, bro, it'd be sick to go
Speaker 4: to Ohio State just to like see the differences and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I thought there was no way. There's no chance
Speaker 2: they're gonna let us in there. And you sold out?
Speaker 4: Was like, I literally sold out, sold out our life.
Speaker 4: Columbus only only sold out live.
Speaker 2: Show the spot Man Wild. That's fair, just crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: First question, yeah, are you happy for Michigan? I'm never
Speaker 2: I never am.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, I mean yeah, do you think it's good for
Speaker 2: the robbery? Yes? You in a weird way, you are happy.
Speaker 2: I love like everyone hating everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you played here and now you coach here, like
Speaker 3: played here and coached here and never planned on coaching
Speaker 3: and and uh yeah, I h I hate I hate
Speaker 3: to up North.
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, Yeah, it's funny how you
Speaker 2: guys are scared to hear her name. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: You know what, you guys should do next year in
Speaker 4: ann Arbor, something real disrespectful, like and like like the sixties.
Speaker 4: I always remember seeing this like black and white video
Speaker 4: of the Hollow State team running and pulling down the banner.
Speaker 2: Okay, I remember that one back in the day, right
Speaker 2: way back in the day.
Speaker 4: We're talking about like black and white TV. You guys
Speaker 4: should do something like that. Yeah, really ignite the fire. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think, Uh, I think the fire is lit. You know,
Speaker 4: I think I think it's pretty good right now. I'm
Speaker 4: kind of you know, it's gonna be a heck of
Speaker 4: a game. We talked about the importance of it and
Speaker 4: how big it is and hearing your boys good forward
Speaker 4: to him?
Speaker 3: Manis what pissed you off most about that second half
Speaker 3: last year losing? Outside of losing, uh, it was being
Speaker 3: a yeah yeah no head coach Arthur smith A. We
Speaker 3: were supposed to have her in last year. Do you
Speaker 3: have any comments to be the assistant height end coach.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: fight for you will. Yeah, I appreciate that's all we
Speaker 2: need to hear the available.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you guys. You're ten point two. You
Speaker 5: all saw the punt set out there. We will be
Speaker 5: we will be back. Yes, I'll send my list of demands.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: That is wild. Yes, I know wave the physical, wave
Speaker 2: the physically. You're part of the part of the I'm
Speaker 2: part of that. You're part of them.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're two hundred and seventy pounds left tackle. Hey,
Speaker 4: real quick, let's get some flowers of art. Like what
Speaker 4: a dog.
Speaker 2: Dude, he really is the best coach. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: is one believable. He never I never got the play
Speaker 2: for him, got to know him.
Speaker 4: Awesome, dude, awesome. He was the assistant titands coming. When
Speaker 4: I first got there, we would be like before practice
Speaker 4: would start, like right after warm ups. Yep, he would
Speaker 4: stand in the corner and hold of football and we
Speaker 4: would have to run and try to punch the ball
Speaker 4: out on him. And I would tackle him to the
Speaker 4: ground and hit him as hard as I could. And
Speaker 4: now he's the head coach of the Falcons. There's a
Speaker 4: reason why he walked up.
Speaker 2: The willing on me. So he thanks you. I mean
Speaker 2: I did make him tougher.
Speaker 4: But so talk about a self made man from a
Speaker 4: like if they always say like showed me the son
Speaker 4: of a billionaire. You'll never see a self made man.
Speaker 4: That's a self made man. It's invable.
Speaker 3: I don't think people realize his back like the true
Speaker 3: store people don't know.
Speaker 2: I know, like that's the craziest thing to x.
Speaker 1: The sun of FedEx basically actually because not at all
Speaker 1: hold yours.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get mine. He's gonna go get hit
Speaker 2: hard way. Then Will Compson will be on the team
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: Nice with the list of man's yeah we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll get right. But back to the what
Speaker 1: pissed you off most? Outside of losing in the second
Speaker 1: half of that Michigan game, I would say, uh, in
Speaker 1: obvious run situation, I would say that it would be
Speaker 1: the we only scored twenty some points. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: the best we can be. Was we're the best offense
Speaker 1: in the country, and we didn't execute at a high level.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't look anywhere else besides ourselves,
Speaker 3: and that's how I feel about that.
Speaker 2: So there's gotta be some part of you though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching the defense give up two back to back
Speaker 4: seventy plus yard runs in the fourth you know, I
Speaker 4: would say, because if you if you watch it, they're
Speaker 4: in man in the corner. The receiver runs them off
Speaker 4: and literally runs the corner into the safety and that's
Speaker 4: what got Edwards to run that first run. And then
Speaker 4: they literally ran the same play the other way next play.
Speaker 4: That's not a shot. I guess it is a shot.
Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just a
Speaker 4: little ball here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I mean that was the ten second play.
Speaker 3: Let's go. Now our term. We got to run it
Speaker 3: back and account for that. But we're rolling, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, So in our heads, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's better than a eight minute
Speaker 3: drive where you don't have a chance maybe to respond.
Speaker 2: But now we can respond.
Speaker 3: And anytime the ball's back in our hands on offense, man,
Speaker 3: we feel in a good spot, put in our hands
Speaker 3: and we'll operate that way.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all we care about. I was here
Speaker 2: for the first quarter of that game. We did.
Speaker 4: I had a college game day and then I went
Speaker 4: and watched and you wash your wide receiver crew or
Speaker 4: walk out on that fiel and you're like this is terrifying.
Speaker 4: Like you guys went like what twelve plays in the
Speaker 4: first drive, Yeah, down there, I think you only got three,
Speaker 4: but like, yep, beat it out, Ohio States.
Speaker 2: Thing is like, hey, we score fast, and we score
Speaker 2: in a hurry.
Speaker 4: And when I saw them controlling the clock in the
Speaker 4: first like series of the game, I thought to myself,
Speaker 4: oh boy, we're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boys might be.
Speaker 1: They got a room now, Like I see the kicks.
Speaker 1: You guys can get these kicks. I see the kicks,
Speaker 1: the time piece. Obviously you have the background being a
Speaker 1: receiver yourself. Are you the swaggiest? I don't think you coach.
Speaker 3: I don't think you should ever like self promote. I
Speaker 3: think you should just let everybody else talk about it.
Speaker 3: So whatever they think they think, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna like answer that.
Speaker 1: I think it takes a confident I mean a confident
Speaker 1: person to operate the rooms that you have to operate
Speaker 1: obviously coming from I mean.
Speaker 3: The room though is full of like elite dudes. Man
Speaker 3: Like I'm not sure about operating anything. Is It's more like,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to pick the right guys that fit
Speaker 3: what we want to get done. And then the boys
Speaker 3: come in and they kind of let it turn into
Speaker 3: what it's going to turn into Like, not that I
Speaker 3: helped guide the room, but man, those guys, Marvin mac Julian,
Speaker 3: all those guys run that room. David Johnson like, I
Speaker 3: keep it on the tracks, but they run the show.
Speaker 1: You said you didn't want to get into coaching, So
Speaker 1: what got you in the coach?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I uh, because you had a nice career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: It was kind of good. I was living back in Columbus.
Speaker 3: My brother was coaching off the field for coach Meyer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there was a fad there for a little bit
Speaker 3: where like former players would come back and run scout team.
Speaker 3: They kind of nixed that, but remember when Clempson had
Speaker 3: some guys doing it, they talked me in doing it.
Speaker 3: Bobby Carpenter was doing it, one of the linebackers. So
Speaker 3: we had some guys come back and my brother talked
Speaker 3: me into it. While I was here, I was kind
Speaker 3: of coaching up the guys and Terry McLaurin was here
Speaker 3: in Paris.
Speaker 2: Campbell and some.
Speaker 3: Of the guys I think coach Giano was now our
Speaker 3: DC at the time.
Speaker 2: Kind of got w into that.
Speaker 3: As I was over there was like, man, I think
Speaker 3: you got to hire a coach heart I heard this
Speaker 3: story after the fact. So coach Meyer was like, hey, heart,
Speaker 3: I love to have you as a coach. I was like,
Speaker 3: absolutely not. I was like, appreciate the offer. That's not happening.
Speaker 3: And then that was a bull prep in sixteen, and
Speaker 3: then he kind of, you know, we reconnected at one
Speaker 3: point February before spring ball in seventeen, he gave me
Speaker 3: that opportunity again. I just kind of felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: guy was giving me a chance to right or wrong.
Speaker 3: And I didn't have much going all the time. I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm living up up the street. Let's
Speaker 3: see what this coaching things all about. Never left since
Speaker 3: it's really how it happened.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you were getting a little bored.
Speaker 1: A little bored exactly, but if you didn't want to
Speaker 1: first and then you're kind of sting on your ass
Speaker 1: a little bit longer and you're like, I'm like, nothing
Speaker 1: going on, Let's do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's even a while with how that happens to you.
Speaker 4: Guys, like when you're playing ball a lot of the time,
Speaker 4: especially late in the season, guys are like, fuck man,
Speaker 4: when I'm done, I'm not doing a thing ever, fish
Speaker 4: every day I'm gonna do this every day, and then
Speaker 4: you get a few months out of it, and it
Speaker 4: seems like guys always get like forward quick because in
Speaker 4: a way, like your life's been structured since college, extremely structured, extremely.
Speaker 1: Structured, and extremely competitive. Yeah, you get burned out a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: And I don't know about any of you guys are hilarious,
Speaker 3: but like I got burned out with the sport at
Speaker 3: some point, you know, and I had to get away
Speaker 3: from it, and I'm like I'm out, you know, and
Speaker 3: and then you kind of sit back.
Speaker 2: I went to my first like tailgate. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is sweet, Like.
Speaker 3: This is why people like college football. This is why
Speaker 3: we like football because we grew up in it. You
Speaker 3: don't even realize it because we've never tailgated. You've never
Speaker 3: done the things outside of football that make it so great.
Speaker 3: And then you get a chance to do it and
Speaker 3: you're like, I get it, and then you recharge your
Speaker 3: batteries and like you're saying, like a competitive wise, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I gotta do something.
Speaker 2: I can't be sitting around for next What burnt you out?
Speaker 2: What burnt you out of football?
Speaker 3: You know? I think the hardest thing for me is
Speaker 3: I was, you know, I love to win, and I was,
Speaker 3: you know, I had to hand them, you know, a
Speaker 3: good amount of teams that we were a big five hundred
Speaker 3: all the time, Like we'd come down in the last
Speaker 3: year in Miami and you know, we didn't pull it out,
Speaker 3: whether it be Buffalo or New England or whoever, to
Speaker 3: get to the playoffs, and we were just barely missing
Speaker 3: wild cards.
Speaker 2: And and uh, I hated losing. So it tired me out.
Speaker 3: I would say that coupled with change, you know, turnover
Speaker 3: on staff, turnover head coach, position, coach, coordinators, like it's
Speaker 3: it's a it's a people business. And I got tired
Speaker 3: of getting guys to like me over and over and
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, because you do that's
Speaker 3: part of the game. Like you got to play the
Speaker 3: game in the NFL, and if you don't play the game,
Speaker 3: it's easier to kind of move on from you. So
Speaker 3: you're turn you're earning the trust of new hey, coaches,
Speaker 3: a new coordinator, it's a new position coaches. It just
Speaker 3: gets older the fast. And if you get in a
Speaker 3: spot where you're winning, there's not much turnover. Man, it's
Speaker 3: it's easy, easier sometimes to ride that wave. But if
Speaker 3: you'd get in some spots where it's not I've seen
Speaker 3: it in the past, it can make it harder, you know,
Speaker 3: to kind of continue to prove yourself every year. And
Speaker 3: so I think that kind of a combination of not
Speaker 3: winning enough and turnover on staffs a lot of it
Speaker 3: just burnt me out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you ended up going to the Browns, and
Speaker 1: that's the wrong way to go if you want to
Speaker 1: go to winning.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say, uh, two hours from home, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and take my butt back home. Yet Miami,
Speaker 3: go back home, and uh see how this plays out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 4: As a coach, now, like, how do you see the
Speaker 4: contest between being a coach and a player, Like what
Speaker 4: are the biggest differences for you? Especially on game day
Speaker 4: because you still you can see it. You're a competitive cat.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's times you look out there you're like, man,
Speaker 4: I can still put the shit on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I probably could do a couple reps,
Speaker 3: not as many as I used to. But obviously the
Speaker 3: difference between being a player and a coach it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that you.
Speaker 2: Try to pull on as a player. So I try to.
Speaker 3: Coach these guys the way I'd like to be coached,
Speaker 3: not a big fluff guy. So like I'm getting straight
Speaker 3: to the point, you know. So on game day, though,
Speaker 3: you know, you're always kind of nervous because it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's in your hands. I feel like we do such
Speaker 3: a great job through the week, I don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of nerves on game day. Like if we do
Speaker 3: a lot of good work and boys are healthy and
Speaker 3: we're out there putting our best foot forward, like I'm
Speaker 3: ready to roll, and my nerves is not being crazy
Speaker 3: very competitive, you know, whether we're playing in the CFP
Speaker 3: or the rivalry and all those definitely different. You wish
Speaker 3: you could be out there. I'm like, okay, this is
Speaker 3: that one game where I wish I could go out
Speaker 3: there and hit somebody. But that's very few rivalries. One
Speaker 3: of them CFP is one of them. That's just kind
Speaker 3: of going to be in the hot moments. So it's
Speaker 3: a little different, but it's out of your hands. That's
Speaker 3: the biggest thing, you know, you could you can't impact
Speaker 3: the game anything about it.
Speaker 4: Now when you're watching these players and like, let's say well,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to name a specific school because it'll
Speaker 4: be tough for you to answer that question. But like
Speaker 4: at a school that you know from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 4: it doesn't stack up to you, guys.
Speaker 2: Right, how do you navigate?
Speaker 4: It's probably got to be a lot easier when you're
Speaker 4: playing a top tier team. If you're in the CFP,
Speaker 4: you're playing like a you know, a big rival team,
Speaker 4: it's probably easier. You know, the boys are gonna be ready,
Speaker 4: like we just gotta get to the game, keep the
Speaker 4: boys healthy and let's roll. When you're playing a smaller
Speaker 4: time school, like do you switch up your coaching? Are
Speaker 4: you a little harder on the boys like keeping their
Speaker 4: mind on that?
Speaker 2: Definitely? The big picture is.
Speaker 3: Grading a standpoint, Absolutely, it's like a different mindset. But
Speaker 3: I'm actually more like uncomfortable against maybe a lesser foe
Speaker 3: than the other ones because the rivalry in those games,
Speaker 3: they take care of themselves the only way you don't
Speaker 3: take care of business if you're not mentally like ready
Speaker 3: to turn it on like you are on those.
Speaker 2: See it every year having the biggest that's the worry
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Like, so those are the ones that were more than
Speaker 3: the other ones, Boys are gonna be ready for those.
Speaker 3: The other ones are like, could they talk themselves out
Speaker 3: of it? Those are the ones you worry about in
Speaker 3: my opinion, you know, so uh again, you got to
Speaker 3: make sure you put these guys in good position and
Speaker 3: they have to execute.
Speaker 2: But if you got pros pros, no issue. But those
Speaker 2: are the ones that worry. Yeah, even pros pros.
Speaker 4: I mean playing the league, we would play teams that
Speaker 4: were in the end of the year, they're out of
Speaker 4: the playoffs or not. And you hear the boys in
Speaker 4: the locker room saying, we're going about to I'm about
Speaker 4: to get four sacks this game. I'm about to do this,
Speaker 4: And then you play long enough you start to realize,
Speaker 4: like we should be worried.
Speaker 2: Boys, if everyone's.
Speaker 4: Talking like this, we got to be a little more
Speaker 4: like you guys like three and they're like, I'm about
Speaker 4: to go off, and you gotta think yourself, like, god,
Speaker 4: we might lose, Yeah, we might lose a little.
Speaker 3: Now Detroit's out, they're not going to play very hard. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like brother, it's still a game. It's still competitive, yeah,
Speaker 2: still competitive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What are some of the biggest misinterpretations were missed going
Speaker 1: from player to coach.
Speaker 3: Uh, the assumption that a player can't be a coach
Speaker 3: because of blank and then we get labeled a lot.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of players think they can just
Speaker 3: be coaches even because they played the game. Uh, that's
Speaker 3: not the case either. But you know, I think that
Speaker 3: it's good for the sport to have former players be
Speaker 3: in the sport as coaches. Now they have to earn it,
Speaker 3: and I get all that. It's amazing how much we
Speaker 3: didn't know when you get to being a coach, the
Speaker 3: correlation of you know, how important is it?
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 3: You know, attribute to wins, That's what it's all about.
Speaker 3: But man, as a player, I wish I knew what
Speaker 3: I know now. As a as a coach, you know then.
Speaker 3: But I think just getting mislabeled, that's part of it.
Speaker 3: A lot of players think they can just be coaches.
Speaker 3: It's not how it works, and vice versa. Just because
Speaker 3: they were a player doesn't mean they couldn't be a
Speaker 3: great coach. Because they didn't draw pictures since they were
Speaker 3: twenty years old for eight years in visio like, doesn't
Speaker 3: mean they can't be a coach.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 3: I think players also probably don't realize the amount of
Speaker 3: time that goes in for these coaches and the investment
Speaker 3: they have. I guess the hardest part sometimes is I'm
Speaker 3: kind of an all in kind of dude, and so
Speaker 3: I'm all in on and athletes and and and the
Speaker 3: guys I pick for our room and all those kinds
Speaker 3: of things in this whole new world. Sometimes you wonder
Speaker 3: if the feelings mutual, you know, and and and I
Speaker 3: think it's hard because coaches leave sometimes and then players
Speaker 3: can now leave to like in the college world. But
Speaker 3: I value the relationship and sometimes you know that's lost
Speaker 3: in all of this, especially in the NFL world, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's still relationships should be with coaches. I
Speaker 3: think the NFL they minimize that importance, you know, relating
Speaker 3: to coaches and coaches having players backs, and they minimize that.
Speaker 3: But gms don't take that into account when it comes
Speaker 3: to making decisions.
Speaker 2: So you're talking.
Speaker 4: About the change of everything going on. How do you
Speaker 4: navigate like the transfer portal when guys you like, we've
Speaker 4: talked about your wide receiver room, day talks about your
Speaker 4: defensive line room, your offens line room, like you have studs,
Speaker 4: there's no question.
Speaker 2: You have NFL talent all around this building.
Speaker 4: How do you get guys that are sitting behind that
Speaker 4: NFL talent with probably just as much talent and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: you got to be patient even though you could go
Speaker 4: play for this other big school.
Speaker 2: Sure, I think that I think it's relationship based.
Speaker 3: I mean if at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: think if you guys sit down and have conversations a
Speaker 3: coach hart, what's my path, and you have an honest
Speaker 3: conversation with them, and they can feel that it should
Speaker 3: it probably is okay. You know, you can work through
Speaker 3: all that based on the outside variables that maybe the
Speaker 3: family or anybody else is feeling too in his circle.
Speaker 3: But the relationship matters, you know, And I think the
Speaker 3: honesty being like, hey, man, like it is gonna be tough.
Speaker 3: It's a long track. If you need this and this,
Speaker 3: maybe you should. You know, if you want to explore
Speaker 3: options you can. You know, just if you keep the
Speaker 3: interest of the young man number one, it always works
Speaker 3: itself out. I think that it's okay if guys find
Speaker 3: a better path somewhere else. I believe that, like, I'm
Speaker 3: still player oriented, and if you keep it that in
Speaker 3: that world. I think it always works itself out, and
Speaker 3: so I try to have conversations and I give honest
Speaker 3: feedback on what I would recommend them doing. And I
Speaker 3: think again, based on relationship, you can have those conversations.
Speaker 4: It's got to be the hardest of the special teams coach.
Speaker 4: Special teams coach, you usually get the guys are like,
Speaker 4: you know, two's are working through it. Like you guys
Speaker 4: that are playing three down are not going to be
Speaker 4: playing special teams a lot.
Speaker 2: So you're telling the guy, hey, you probably look at it.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, he's the core four guys, right.
Speaker 3: And I would tell you this though we have in
Speaker 3: our wide out. It's like if if you have some
Speaker 3: young guys coming in, right, they have some guys opportunities.
Speaker 3: If you don't trust those dudes, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I'm looking up and join Flemings on the front front
Speaker 3: line of kor blocking some Will Compton running down on
Speaker 3: freaking kickoff, and so like you know it stud so
Speaker 3: like you know, at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 3: you know, yes, you need your guys, your young athletes
Speaker 3: to step up because we believe, frankly, that's the gateway
Speaker 3: to offensive defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't.
Speaker 3: Carry that job at a high level in the special
Speaker 3: teams world.
Speaker 2: How do you expect to go play on offensive defense?
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I mean it can be tough. I'm
Speaker 2: sure that's a conversation for a coach Fleming, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like one of those things you got to
Speaker 4: like you tell them the truth and like they have
Speaker 4: now they have to deal with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, brother, it is what it is. I have
Speaker 2: to tell them the truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When you're keeping the best interest of the player, though,
Speaker 4: how do you not become a little more selfish because
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, your your career, yeah,
Speaker 4: is riding on eighteen to twenty two year old that's true.
Speaker 4: And so you're looking at a guy that's like, I know,
Speaker 4: in two years he's going to be ready to go,
Speaker 4: but right now he's not.
Speaker 2: But he could play somewhere else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, how did you disassociate that for you as
Speaker 4: a coach, because at the end of the day, like
Speaker 4: this is in your ceiling for you, you want to
Speaker 4: keep going and growing in the ranks of the coaching world.
Speaker 3: I would say, though, I mean, if you're that sure
Speaker 3: of a young man playing in a year or two
Speaker 3: and him knowing that that's okay it. I mean, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, doing it a year earlier
Speaker 3: doesn't ensure you anything, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 3: if coach are or any of the coaches looking at
Speaker 3: you and telling you a certainty of where I see
Speaker 3: you're going to be in a year or two again
Speaker 3: based on that relationship, you know, you ride that out
Speaker 3: all your.
Speaker 2: Goals, which is probably the NFL it's still there.
Speaker 3: If you're telling me you want to speed the clock up,
Speaker 3: I mean that's something you have to you have to
Speaker 3: talk to.
Speaker 2: You know, talking about the clock up? Do you mean
Speaker 2: like leave earlier, do it in a year year earlier?
Speaker 3: And then if you are doing that, you're probably not
Speaker 3: doing it. I mean, where are you going? I mean,
Speaker 3: we are blessed and coach Day is a phenomenal coach
Speaker 3: and we are the best offense in the country over
Speaker 3: the last five to six years. So if you're not
Speaker 3: playing this offense, where are you going? Who's your quarterback,
Speaker 3: who's the court? You know, there's a lot of variables
Speaker 3: that you're you're now playing with versus being like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep working. Coach Hart's telling me this, this
Speaker 3: and this, you know, go from there. You know, and
Speaker 3: and in the transfer world, like I've never taken there's
Speaker 3: never been a transfer receiver that come to Ohio State.
Speaker 2: So you see who's in the room. You see you're
Speaker 2: competing against.
Speaker 3: There's some variables that are under your control versus when
Speaker 3: you leave, variables change. Yeah, what are your career ambitions?
Speaker 3: You know, I would say when I have a job
Speaker 3: for coach RT Yeah, man, Like you know, in my soul,
Speaker 3: I'm an NFL guy. I love the NFL.
Speaker 2: I think it is the all star league of college football.
Speaker 3: I don't care where you're from, what school, small, big, Like,
Speaker 3: it's the best players in the world.
Speaker 2: There is no other better players. So I love that.
Speaker 3: I love the uh uh separate you know, agree of
Speaker 3: separation being so small. So I love that. I love
Speaker 3: my alma mater at Ohio State. So my heart's in
Speaker 3: the NFL. You know, I think one day I'd want
Speaker 3: to coach there. That's the reality of it. When I
Speaker 3: don't know, I mean, my in laws are here, my
Speaker 3: wife's from Columbus, Like there's just like a big foundation that's.
Speaker 2: Been built here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, I love coach the receivers. When I started, I'll
Speaker 3: be the receiver coach for the next fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 2: Leave me alone. I'm good.
Speaker 3: And then that kind of grows and as a competitor, right,
Speaker 3: I mean you're like, oh, people start putting nuggets in
Speaker 3: your head. I'm like, yeah, that'd be pretty sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that'd be you know about it, And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: do I love I would love to. I love building
Speaker 3: the receiver room. I love that was an awesome opportunity
Speaker 3: and choosing it, developing it. I'm about to do that
Speaker 3: on a team. I'd like to be a head coach
Speaker 3: and try to, you know, do that team wine, not
Speaker 3: just a position based kind of doing that now offensively,
Speaker 3: you know a little bit. But I like dealing with people.
Speaker 3: I like building a team, whether it be a staff
Speaker 3: or whether it be a you know, individual players.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: So you know where it ends up, couldn't tell you,
Speaker 3: but that intrigues me for sure.
Speaker 2: NFL head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, you know, I want to be
Speaker 3: able to win a national championship in college, so we'd
Speaker 3: have to be, you know, a top program that paints
Speaker 3: that vision that that can get done there and then
Speaker 3: or the NFL.
Speaker 2: I mean I think for me, I you know, like
Speaker 2: you guys are probably similar.
Speaker 3: All the marbles gotta be on the table, like it
Speaker 3: has to be the pinnacle, or maybe I may not
Speaker 3: have as much interest if the pinnacle is not an
Speaker 3: option a super Bowl or a national championship.
Speaker 2: That's hard for me. I want it. I want all
Speaker 2: the marbles on the table. I love that.
Speaker 4: Beautiful going by coach Hart. There's another coach heart in
Speaker 4: the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: Oh there is? Yeah, it's the running back coach from Michigan.
Speaker 2: Part of them.
Speaker 4: If you too, maybe got in a tussle, who do
Speaker 4: you think would win that? Do you think so there
Speaker 4: is there is there any legend for the university of.
Speaker 3: Any in the country. They're all losing. He's them all.
Speaker 3: This is why we had this motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I think he's the running backs coach. But I do
Speaker 2: I do with that answer?
Speaker 4: All right, cool, that's nothing else always and.
Speaker 2: That's my players.
Speaker 3: Like if you're not if you can't view yourself as
Speaker 3: the dudes, you're never going to be the dude. You
Speaker 3: ever met a dude, I didn't know he was a dude.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, every now and then, I don't know now.
Speaker 3: Then I got to look at the meror like, are
Speaker 3: you I never dude, I didn't know he was the
Speaker 3: first round pick.
Speaker 2: I sucked in the first round. Holy cow. Like, if
Speaker 2: you don't view yourself that person, you're never going to
Speaker 2: be that person. See.
Speaker 4: I think there's a big difference though, because there are
Speaker 4: guys that like you look at them and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're sow and so, But then you look at the
Speaker 4: way they act and everything, You're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't know how Hard Jr. And her junior
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes really Yes, I was Taylor and Hard Junior
Speaker 2: does not know he's Dailor and Hard Junior Broly. That's fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to know that. I really want to know about.
Speaker 1: The most just the most salt of the years type
Speaker 1: of guy ever meet.
Speaker 2: He hes awesome, sweetheart. Well you don't think he doesn't
Speaker 2: think he was one of the best race car drivers.
Speaker 1: In the I'm sure he takes that, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying talking about the the carry. He won't say. He
Speaker 1: won't say pick anybody, pick anybody to lose. That's the confidence.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the confidence you had to have
Speaker 1: being a white skilled player growing up. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you're a unicorn.
Speaker 3: It was not like back hard.
Speaker 2: How hard was that growing up? Playing you know white.
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing wide receiver, receive you better.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: We could write books probably about you know how I
Speaker 3: was on those like back and forth went writing for you.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Remember like my brother, you
Speaker 4: got your own story to tell. You're a white line back. No,
Speaker 4: but I like how I said.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: I liked him saying we could probably write a book.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, yeah, we go right, we can all
Speaker 1: get in.
Speaker 2: There like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're all of them from you know, COMARTI
Speaker 3: in New York with Remus going God, she just wouldn't
Speaker 3: leave the freaking conference in New England and in uh
Speaker 3: New York, but all of them, you know, playing all
Speaker 3: the different corners throughout my time.
Speaker 2: I never talked. First.
Speaker 3: I would just you know, throw a bug out there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll keep my kind of bug. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I can say that now.
Speaker 2: Is there in the middle of the road, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Because you know, you know, all that
Speaker 2: matters is the guys.
Speaker 1: You're recruiting, the guys in your room that see they're
Speaker 1: gonna be yo, coach, you've got the sauce.
Speaker 2: What you know, you gotta put on your tape in front.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, a lot of times. I mean I'm
Speaker 2: getting for a move now.
Speaker 3: So that's which is good, you know, getting grin earah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I turned it, turned it on. Sometimes you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: I'm getting old now, ye know, ship but no, it's uh,
Speaker 3: it's been good, you know, I think, Uh, but no,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 3: want to get anybody fired up. I just made sure that,
Speaker 3: you know, after I made a play and they just
Speaker 3: they just knew, don't show your friends that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was the exact we're talking no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: I was a mouth the individual choir boy. Yeah American,
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 3: Definitely you on the sideline, uh with was ite of
Speaker 3: my favorites.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he that was an outrageously late hit on Marcus.
Speaker 4: That was just crazy to watch. And that's when they
Speaker 4: were still the Legion of Boom okay, like who's the safety?
Speaker 2: Who? Every one him? Chancellor Chancellor Earl Thomas.
Speaker 4: He would watch away right with that dark visor on
Speaker 4: when we were playing them like a noon game. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this motherfucker is a safety and there's a couple of
Speaker 4: players we had to put him. It's called structure of
Speaker 4: the safety rolls down. We would just push it to
Speaker 4: the next guy, and I'm thinking to myself, I got
Speaker 4: to hit this fucking dude because you've seen him and
Speaker 4: it's hits he puts on it.
Speaker 2: He's like, he don't care about me. He does not
Speaker 2: care about me at all.
Speaker 1: We're getting super comfortable with coach card hearts in here
Speaker 1: because we're kind of letting some work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now for some beeps. You had two and
Speaker 2: that two f's and that little sword. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I can't say. I don't want to say fuck. It's
Speaker 4: like it's like, uh, I don't want to say loud
Speaker 4: because I don't just like it's like the Top one hundred,
Speaker 4: that's the first time I kind of saw you. I
Speaker 4: was like, Oh, this guy, I can rock with him.
Speaker 1: What do you mean when you were on the top
Speaker 1: one hunter and doing an interview and you're like, I
Speaker 1: can't say, they're like bleeping it out every time.
Speaker 2: Is that why you did the same bit? Oh?
Speaker 4: I always watched it and I was like that's funny.
Speaker 4: Will did that? I know you stole that from.
Speaker 1: This is This is when I we didn't even know
Speaker 1: each other either. I was like, oh this, I like this.
Speaker 1: Hey you're a good You're a good hang. I almost
Speaker 1: dropped another one, bro, I am comfortable.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: There were some good ones though, talking back, Yes, because dude,
Speaker 4: when you're when you're a skilled player, oh my white
Speaker 4: skill player, you watch them out there and you're like, hey, brother,
Speaker 4: good luck, and then they kind of like, hey, it
Speaker 4: is something real nice out there, and it's always a hey,
Speaker 4: you're pretty shifty for a white guy, and you're pretty
Speaker 4: quick for a white guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're fasteran I thought, yeah, yes, dude.
Speaker 3: Yea knock for that one.
Speaker 2: Remember Dean Sanders. It makes you feel good when you
Speaker 2: get that. Yeah you get that.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm really approval or because at some point
Speaker 3: I might have said I I tried to warn you,
Speaker 3: like I get to give him one of those, you know,
Speaker 3: because I would do a little bit of something. Yeah
Speaker 3: they'll laugh and then I'll do something and like try
Speaker 3: to warn you don't show your friends when.
Speaker 1: You get called like white chocolate, You're just like, oh
Speaker 1: that was that never got that was our thing.
Speaker 3: That was me and Brandon Marshall in Miami. So like
Speaker 3: that was our little back and forth. I was playing
Speaker 3: to be marsh in Miami. That was a big time.
Speaker 3: Even Mike Wallace, it was like playing for branded. Playing
Speaker 3: with Brandon Marshall awesome. I mean he was he was
Speaker 3: bashit crazy. But like I love playing with them, and
Speaker 3: we had a great rapport. I would still stay connected
Speaker 3: now every time in Miami recruit and or for Laddy,
Speaker 3: I'll try to see him. Yeah he's down there. But
Speaker 3: I love b marsh Man. I love you know, I.
Speaker 2: Love that guy. An outstanding job. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: am athlete. Yeah. Top three wide receiver talents that you've
Speaker 2: coached up three i've coached.
Speaker 3: In the league.
Speaker 2: All in general, like.
Speaker 1: I say, in general, they're probably or not they can
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, they can be here.
Speaker 3: That's hard I think that. Uh, you know, they're all
Speaker 3: different in their own way, frankly, but or not.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, the things that Terry McLaurin does and and
Speaker 3: did is different than the way Crystal Lave plays and
Speaker 3: the way Garrett plays Jackson's his whole other animal. And
Speaker 3: then Marvin Harrison is his whole other animal. So like
Speaker 3: I had picked three, Wow, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean those five are really the.
Speaker 3: One the rank them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Like what's what's what's the one?
Speaker 2: Who's the one scary serry?
Speaker 3: I would say, I would say Marvin right now, Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison number one NFL NFL like you know, NFL makeup
Speaker 3: NFL prototype, right, yeah, Marvin's that NFL prototype you know. Wow,
Speaker 3: three six, four, two oh eight, pushing sub four four.
Speaker 4: Probably sophomore last year, right, he's a sophomore, He's got
Speaker 4: one more year, he.
Speaker 2: Does, he's already he's already projected like top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you think it's in his best interest to
Speaker 4: sit out this year and go to the draft, right,
Speaker 4: not not play college.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just oh wow, yeah. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: North conversation there, I'm conversation. No, I mean no, not
Speaker 3: absolutely not. I think he says because like he does
Speaker 3: have major goals of what he wants to accomplish, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it be post team awards, winning rivalries, winning champion.
Speaker 2: He does not give that up.
Speaker 3: He's an ultimate competitor and if he wasn't doing that,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be who he is.
Speaker 2: So they'd be like a total alter that is that
Speaker 2: is a fan. I mean, just the way the bass
Speaker 2: of a bias. If I don't want to see him
Speaker 2: right right, you don't want to mess do whatever he wants.
Speaker 2: I hope he gets paid. I hope he makes a
Speaker 2: billion dollars. Yeah, brother, you should go sit out, especially
Speaker 2: that last one. Yeah. Physical, that game is a little
Speaker 2: too physical, you know, yeah, sure, sure, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: Then I think you know you have to go Jackson
Speaker 3: all right Jackson. And the only reason why I feel
Speaker 3: very comfortable saying that is because Chris and Garrett chose
Speaker 3: him as well.
Speaker 2: So that's their comment on But.
Speaker 3: Like when when they were kind of talking about it,
Speaker 3: I mean, the things he does, he makes me look
Speaker 3: like a really good scoach. And I don't like I
Speaker 3: didn't do anything. He just he just was himself. So
Speaker 3: but his uh, it's changed changed direction. Ball skills are ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Like he's going to be very very very good in
Speaker 3: the NFL. Uh, Chris and Garrett, you know they're you know,
Speaker 3: Garrett had a hell of a year obviously, Rookie of
Speaker 3: the Year. Uh, you probat to give him the nod
Speaker 3: just because of that. Then next, you know, and then
Speaker 3: it's between Terry and Chris. You know, one was the
Speaker 3: eleventh overall pick and one makes twenty three million a year.
Speaker 3: I don't know, so it's kind of a coin flip.
Speaker 3: I would say that they love Terry up in Washington,
Speaker 3: I know, and I gotta sit probably I just probably
Speaker 3: say Terry right now because he's done it in the
Speaker 3: NFL for three or four plus years.
Speaker 2: That's worth his weight and goal on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a guy doing it one year is one thing
Speaker 3: I didn't Chris knows how much I love him. But
Speaker 3: you're talking about elite group of dudes there, and I
Speaker 3: think that it's easy. It's easy to do it once,
Speaker 3: really hard to do it two, three, four or five
Speaker 3: more ears like that.
Speaker 2: And become a list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like those guys, they they're gonna look and they're
Speaker 4: the guys that weren't one. You're they're gonna text you, yeah,
Speaker 4: the one they're in a group chat and they can
Speaker 4: all yeah yeah. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like that's a stud group.
Speaker 1: He's named off in Terry becoming a captain to like
Speaker 1: obviously I played there, but I don't know him at all.
Speaker 1: And the next I student I do still have there,
Speaker 1: like they just rave about.
Speaker 2: It was from a leadership, wasn't he He might have been. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like in the middle of the sea he
Speaker 2: might have.
Speaker 1: I know he called up the team in the middle
Speaker 1: of a game and kind of like, you know, thrusted
Speaker 1: himself to be like a captain guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he got to see the first year. I think
Speaker 1: mid year he did. Yeah, I know midyear he like
Speaker 1: rallied the guys a great man and we gotta have
Speaker 1: to do all that the boys.
Speaker 2: The boys are just telling me that's goody all right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this has been incredible. Yeah, I'm good. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: this again sometime. I love you become head on the.
Speaker 1: Bus, yes, yeah, and then he he comes on the bus.
Speaker 1: Honestly he makes that leap too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you want you to be a head coach
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Speaker 3: Let's say it's been an honor, just like let me know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. We know some people, you
Speaker 3: know some people you put in good work. Yeah, well,
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