WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: "Transmutation" by Katherine Sparrow

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<v Speaker 1>Call Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Book Club Club book Club. I wonder if that'll ever

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<v Speaker 2>get old or the listener the fact that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>coordinate I chant over zoom. Yeah, but you can introduce

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<v Speaker 2>Coolson Media book Club, which comes out every Sunday and

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<v Speaker 2>is a piece of fiction read by me Margaret Kilchroy.

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<v Speaker 2>And today my guest is the only award winning guest

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<v Speaker 2>we've ever had, Sophie Lichterman. Hi, maybe other people have

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<v Speaker 2>won awards. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>They only give them to me legally.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, all awards in the world go to Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems fair. Sophie does all of the work in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, including running all of the great cool Zone

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<v Speaker 2>Media podcasts that you listen to, whether on micro behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes. But I was like, I want Sophie to

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<v Speaker 2>be the guest of this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been requesting this specific kind of story since

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<v Speaker 1>we first started talking about doing this book club series.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I'm going to still find you another

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie has asked for a love story. Yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a This is not a happy ending love story,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a story about the complications of love

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a one of the best uses of

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<v Speaker 2>genre fiction to describe relationship dynamics that I've ever read,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was excited to have you on for

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<v Speaker 2>it because this week's story is by an author named

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Sparrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Sparrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, Oh, awesome, cool, Oh, I'm so excited. Catherine Sparrow

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<v Speaker 2>is a writer who is deeply interested in creating stories

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<v Speaker 2>about transformation, struggle, and solidarity. You can check out her

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<v Speaker 2>debut fantasy book, Little Apocalypse, which is about deadly monsters

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<v Speaker 2>and a kid who loves them. And this particular story

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<v Speaker 2>was originally published in Fantasy Magazine under the title Chemical Magic,

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<v Speaker 2>but it comes to us under the title Transmutation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited. This is going to be so nice

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<v Speaker 1>and just some context for the listeners. I have had

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<v Speaker 1>back to back to back to back to back stuff

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<v Speaker 1>this entire day, and I was like, Magpie, can I

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<v Speaker 1>get ten minutes to eat? And her suggestion was, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you mute yourself while I read you this story?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, lunch hower story time, I highly

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<v Speaker 1>recommend soothing eating while listening to Magpie. Tell me a

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<v Speaker 1>love story that of sorts doesn't actually end with Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>ending with a Hollywood ending that doesn't actually end with

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<v Speaker 1>a Hollywood ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want to at some point, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get you another love story to read, because there

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<v Speaker 2>are really good stories that do end with a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more happiness. But I just I really like this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Transmutation by Catherine sparrom One. The magician pulled a rabbit,

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<v Speaker 2>a sock, monkey, a rainbow, and a flowering plum tree

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<v Speaker 2>out of his hat. He reached in deeper for everything

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<v Speaker 2>that was missing. He searched for something, anything, that would

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<v Speaker 2>make it right and bring her back from the far

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<v Speaker 2>off land seventeen subway stops away. His gap toothed audience,

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<v Speaker 2>smiling and applauding, yelled for him to do more. While

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<v Speaker 2>the birthday boy sucked on a large purple lollipop. The

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<v Speaker 2>magician began pulling kerchiefs from his sleeve, a huge pile

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<v Speaker 2>of bright colored silks, never ending as they fell onto

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<v Speaker 2>the floor around his shiny leather boots. He stared down

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<v Speaker 2>at them and knew, no matter how long he kept pulling,

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<v Speaker 2>that there could never be enough to cover his grief.

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<v Speaker 2>When his performance was done, the children clapped, the parents smiled,

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<v Speaker 2>He bowed, and scurried home to his lonely apartment, empty

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<v Speaker 2>except for the box that was his best trick, if

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<v Speaker 2>only a girl allowed him to do it. The Alchemist

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<v Speaker 2>scratched her nose with a gnawed fingernail and watched the

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<v Speaker 2>flow of information that turned pithy phrases into charitable donations.

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<v Speaker 2>She clicked over to the Alchemist's for Peace project's financial

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<v Speaker 2>page and made a complicated exchange that turned euros into

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<v Speaker 2>gold sterling. She felt a small contentment and held on

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<v Speaker 2>to that feeling until it faded away. Maybe I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>see a movie, she said out loud, as though she

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<v Speaker 2>had roommates. She scratched her belly along the red lined

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<v Speaker 2>scar and missed him for a moment. There were still

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<v Speaker 2>good memories.

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<v Speaker 3>That made her ache.

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<v Speaker 2>She looked out the window and saw one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Magician's doves pecking at his foot, where a message had

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<v Speaker 2>been tied to his leg. The Alchemist opened the window,

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<v Speaker 2>took the trembling bird into her hands, and untied the message.

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<v Speaker 2>She turned the paper into fire. Two two months earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>the magician stood on the dance floor wondering how to

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<v Speaker 2>magic his feet into graceful motion rather than the choppy

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<v Speaker 2>glitched movement of a thirteen year old boy. He hated

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<v Speaker 2>his dancing, but hated more those men who stood in

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<v Speaker 2>the club's shadows and watched without ever moving their bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>So he bounced and swayed while his elbows jerked backwards

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<v Speaker 2>in a hopeless gesture. He hit something soft that squished

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<v Speaker 2>and said out. He spun around to see a woman

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<v Speaker 2>holding her breast and glaring at him. She had the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of breasts he loved, round and droopy. Sorry, he

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<v Speaker 2>mouthed over the bass boom. She rolled her eyes. He

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<v Speaker 2>tried to elbow himself in the chest. It only seemed fair,

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<v Speaker 2>but the laws of physics only allowed him a blow

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<v Speaker 2>to the belly. At least it made her smile a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Her hard edged face turned lovely for a moment. She

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<v Speaker 2>flinched a little when he reached forward and pulled a

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<v Speaker 2>lollipop from behind her ear. She shook her head and

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<v Speaker 2>patted her lips with two fingers, so he reached behind

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<v Speaker 2>her other ear and pulled out a cigarette. He followed

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<v Speaker 2>her outside, out past the butchy ladies, comparing pecks to

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<v Speaker 2>the alley full of rain and soggy cardboard. I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>magician he said, alchemist, she replied. She took a mode

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<v Speaker 2>of dust from her pocket and placed it on the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of her cigarette. She turned the dust into flame.

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<v Speaker 2>Those things will kill you, he said, Cancer turned cells

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<v Speaker 2>into monsters, she said, with professional admiration. The alchemist offered

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<v Speaker 2>him a drag, and he took it, shivering a little

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<v Speaker 2>when he placed the wet tip on his lips. So, magician,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of magic are you into? He shrugged? Anything? Really,

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<v Speaker 2>magic is all one thing underneath. I keep most of

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<v Speaker 2>my tricks small so I don't scare people, so they

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<v Speaker 2>don't ask too many questions. You know I do, she smiled.

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<v Speaker 2>At least people understand what a magician is. Everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 2>an alchemist makes perfume. One time I turned per fumano urine,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not really my thing. Why'd you do it? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>A lover cheated on me. The magician nodded. He thought

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<v Speaker 2>about the women he'd been with, how they'd all turned

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<v Speaker 2>from something magical into something awful. Maybe an alchemist could

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<v Speaker 2>keep that from happening. I bet your current lover doesn't cheat,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, trying not to sound too obvious. She raised

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<v Speaker 2>one eyebrow. I hope he won't. She stared until the

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<v Speaker 2>magician felt himself turning into something hot and bothered. She

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<v Speaker 2>walked away, and he followed, listening as she turned words

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<v Speaker 2>into a smoldering flirtation. He pulled flower after flower from

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<v Speaker 2>his breast pocket until he found her favorite, a collar lily,

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<v Speaker 2>and tucked it behind her ear. She turned his apartment

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<v Speaker 2>key into an invitation. He led her through his doorway

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<v Speaker 2>and into the world of his magical carpet, his magical bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and his magical bathtub, all of which are's for sale

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you were going to do the beyond part.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like it was right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's pretty much necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Three. Some days they made elaborate plans and then never

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<v Speaker 2>ended up leaving the bed. Other days they would go

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<v Speaker 2>to the movies like teenagers in search of a dark space.

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<v Speaker 2>They would come out dazed, not having any idea what

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<v Speaker 2>it was about. I want to know everything about you,

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<v Speaker 2>the magician said. The alchemist reminded herself to stay safe.

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<v Speaker 2>She pulled herself out of his arms. Insighed, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what happens when you get too close to an alchemist.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to find out, the magician teased, he understood nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>He grinned, took a pair of lovebirds out of his

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<v Speaker 2>vest pocket and let them fly into the air. They

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<v Speaker 2>swooped and swirled around each other, fainting and surging in

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<v Speaker 2>a secret bird dance, before settling down on the magician's shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing becomes another, she lectured him, objects lose integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>Transmutation is a true danger of my profession. She talked

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<v Speaker 2>on about how it worked, but wasn't sure why she bothered.

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<v Speaker 2>He played with his birds and didn't listen. He didn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he didn't want to. The alchemist took one of

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<v Speaker 2>the birds into her hands and licked her fingers. When

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<v Speaker 2>she stroked its green feathered head, its feathers grew black

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<v Speaker 2>and crow like. She whispered in its ear to be

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<v Speaker 2>free and let the bird fly. Four. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see what you can really do, he said to her.

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<v Speaker 2>One day at the park, all the squirrels watched her,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the boats in the sailboat pond blew towards her.

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<v Speaker 2>The magician couldn't tear his attention away from her, and

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<v Speaker 2>his magic leaked out all over the park. It filled

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<v Speaker 2>him up and spilled all over. He'd never been happier.

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<v Speaker 2>What I can really do, she smiled, with equal parts

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<v Speaker 2>condescension and affection. She liked him, he knew that, but

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<v Speaker 2>not as much as he liked her. She kept her distance.

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<v Speaker 2>He hated that most things can become most other things,

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<v Speaker 2>She said. The key is to figuring out how it changes,

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<v Speaker 2>like water into wine. You wonder how Jesus did it, Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>the magician said. He glanced around, hoping no one religious

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<v Speaker 2>stood nearby. The only people nearby were little kids trying

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<v Speaker 2>to push their boats away from her and back out

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<v Speaker 2>to the middle of the pool. So there are both liquids.

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<v Speaker 2>That helps, but it doesn't go very far. Water quenches

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<v Speaker 2>one kind of thirst, and wine another physiological and psychological,

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<v Speaker 2>so that moves them closer together. Then consider how water

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<v Speaker 2>to the thirsty is a relief, and how alkyl to

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<v Speaker 2>the wary is a relief. She gazed out across the

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<v Speaker 2>oval pond. When I hold all of that in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>then it is only a small step into knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>chemical compounds are needed. To bridge the difference between them.

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<v Speaker 2>She opened her clunky purse and took out what looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a moldy bread crumb. She flicked it into the water,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sank down between the bobbing miniature sailboats. The

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<v Speaker 2>magician blinked, and in the time it took for his

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<v Speaker 2>eyes to flutter back open, the water became a dark

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<v Speaker 2>red stain stretching the length of the pool. The alchemist

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<v Speaker 2>cupped her hand and dipped it into the liquid. She

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<v Speaker 2>sipped it delicately, A fine sancho vesse, you are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you. The words slipped out, and he wondered

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<v Speaker 2>if she had given him something to turn his infatuation

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<v Speaker 2>into something deeper. Her wary smile told him she had not.

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<v Speaker 2>The magician lowered his mouth to the red liquid of

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<v Speaker 2>the pond and drank as much as he could without choking.

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<v Speaker 2>Your face is a mess, she said. When he sat

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<v Speaker 2>back up again, A cold breeze blew across the pond,

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<v Speaker 2>capsizing some of the sailboats. They left as kids started

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<v Speaker 2>crying and parents began swearing and making phone calls to

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<v Speaker 2>the city water department.

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<v Speaker 3>Five.

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<v Speaker 2>They spent Monday through Friday playing phone tag, always missing

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<v Speaker 2>each other. The alchemist was busy with guild meetings, dinner

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<v Speaker 2>with friends, and deadlines. She watched the magician's anger when

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't spend time with her. She worried over his brooding.

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<v Speaker 2>She tried to educate him about balance and object integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>The magician left flowers that bloomed into other flowers on

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<v Speaker 2>her doorstep. He made her a box of endless chocolates.

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<v Speaker 2>The treffles made me a little sick, she admitted later.

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<v Speaker 2>I turned them into toffees less intense, I guess with

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<v Speaker 2>little gestures and words. She tried to keep both of

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<v Speaker 2>them safe, even though he was such a pretty magician. Six,

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<v Speaker 2>show me a trick, the alchemist said to the magician.

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<v Speaker 2>They sat at a booth in a restaurant where the

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<v Speaker 2>food was much too greasy. But she had sprinkled her

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<v Speaker 2>own salt on top of the fried blintzes to turn

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<v Speaker 2>them nourishing and healthy without losing any taste. She turned

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<v Speaker 2>their sprites into gin and tonics, and both of them

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<v Speaker 2>were tipsy. The magician put on a smile and held

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<v Speaker 2>up his fork. It drooped in the middle. She laughed

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<v Speaker 2>and brushed her fingers across his forearm. He felt a

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<v Speaker 2>chasm between them, even though she sat two feet away.

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<v Speaker 2>More please, she sucked on her straw. He liked the

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<v Speaker 2>way alcohol softened her. Magic is fussy, it comes and goes,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. It's an art, not a science. He said

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<v Speaker 2>the words that all magicians are taught to say in

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<v Speaker 2>order to hide their inadequacy. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>hide your inadequacy, you can buy a brand new car

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<v Speaker 2>from cars Are Bus. I hope that's not a real.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, but I feel like there are brands that are

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna be like cart Calm, but that's probably real.

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<v Speaker 1>There's ones that are like, get your car from a

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<v Speaker 1>vending machine type shit, and I'm like, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why not. You can get anything from any of

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors. You call them. They will sell you anything

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<v Speaker 2>that you ask for, as long as it's legal to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>And not a crime for me to say that you

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<v Speaker 2>should call them to ask for But here are those ads,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're back. She nodded and yawned into the palm

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<v Speaker 2>of her hand. He was losing her. The magician ran

0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.880
<v Speaker 2>his hand through her hair as much remind himself that

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<v Speaker 2>he could. As for the feel of her tangled curls

0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that came undone beneath his touch. Magic can be dangerous,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. He sipped the perfectly balanced gin and tonic

0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.080
<v Speaker 2>for small things. It will act predictably, but it's like electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>always taking the most direct path home, and the bigger

0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the magic. The mor can spark and spike. His hands

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<v Speaker 2>shook and he looked away, explaining any of it made

0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.400
<v Speaker 2>him feel naked in a new way. But you're a

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<v Speaker 2>really good magician, right, the alchemist asked.

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<v Speaker 3>He nodded.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted it to be true, and besides, she looked

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<v Speaker 2>so interested. There is one trick, my best trick, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she would finally be the girl who liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink all of that, he ordered her, and then took

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<v Speaker 2>a big gulp of his own drink. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>my place. The magician pulled five dollar bills out of

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<v Speaker 2>his nose until he had enough to cover the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>He clutched her hand as they walked through the dusky

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<v Speaker 2>city and up the stairs to his apartment. A month ago.

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<v Speaker 2>She turned and his dryer lint into lavender seeds, and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole place smelt hopeful. The magician took off his

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<v Speaker 2>vest and hat, and gestured for the alchemist to sit

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<v Speaker 2>at his kitchen table for tonight and one night only.

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<v Speaker 2>He began come see the magician's most daring and death,

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<v Speaker 2>the fine trick. He paused and studied the curl of

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<v Speaker 2>her smile. Her fingers twitched and a pack of cards

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in one hand. She raised an unimpressed eyebrow. Good

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<v Speaker 2>start with low stakes, as though nothing interesting would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw the cards up into the air and they

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<v Speaker 2>burst into tiny fireworks before disappearing. He coughed and then

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<v Speaker 2>pulled a three foot long rapier out of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>The razor sharp edge cut the top of his palate

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<v Speaker 2>and his mouth filled with blood. The alchemist applauded it

0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>was time. We are ready for this, He decided. For

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<v Speaker 2>my next trick, I will need an assistant. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in the audience, any brave girl willing to help?

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<v Speaker 2>The alchemist raised her hand, and the magician spent a

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<v Speaker 2>long moment scanning his lazy boy his fish tank in

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<v Speaker 2>the stereo before finally noticing her. Ah, yes, you fine lady.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your name? The alchemist? She said primly, Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>a perfumest in the house. How lovely. She stuck her

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<v Speaker 2>tongue out and took his outstretched hand. You sure about this,

0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.640
<v Speaker 2>he whispered, You trust me. You wanted that more than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>She hesitated, and then nodded. He led her into the

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom and over to the box that sat near his window.

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<v Speaker 2>It stood on sixteen legs, and every inch of it

0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 2>was carved and painted with a faded carnival cobalt and umber.

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<v Speaker 2>The magician opened the lid and gestured for the alchemist

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<v Speaker 2>to lay down within it. The length of her body

0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>went inside the box, while her head and feet stuck

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<v Speaker 2>out the ends. One thing, she said, looking a bit frozen.

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<v Speaker 2>If I say stop, you have to Her boundary hit

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<v Speaker 2>the magician like a slap. He smiled, shut the lid

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<v Speaker 2>to the box, and slid four different bolts shut. The

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.280
<v Speaker 2>magician opened a slim drawer in the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>box and took out two panes of glass, knife sharpened

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.080
<v Speaker 2>along one edge. His hands trembled as he showed them

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<v Speaker 2>to her. Peering through them and smiling, The colors of

0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.680
<v Speaker 2>her face bleached out to white. Magic and need bubbled

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.240
<v Speaker 2>through him, seeking release. He took the sheets and held

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<v Speaker 2>them above the perfectly fitted slots of the box that

0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.120
<v Speaker 2>lay just above her belly. She cleared her throat, about

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<v Speaker 2>to say something, maybe about leaving him. We both need this,

0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.159
<v Speaker 2>he thought. It will bring us closer. He plunged the

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.680
<v Speaker 2>panes of glass into her through her magic flushed through him,

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<v Speaker 2>hard and down. It caught on her spinal cord before

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<v Speaker 2>slicing through. She screamed, quiet, it doesn't hurt. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>that was part of the trick. The magician didn't look

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<v Speaker 2>at her face, but knelt down and rolled away the

0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.000
<v Speaker 2>two separate pieces of the box. Through the glass, he

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<v Speaker 2>could see her internal landscape. She can't hide from me anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>he thought. Her scream turned into a short, panting breath.

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<v Speaker 2>Look away, she whispered. Please. He had already split her

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<v Speaker 2>in two, so how could he resist. He turned torso

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.840
<v Speaker 2>side and watched a lovely redcarp flit about, moving in

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<v Speaker 2>and out of her undulating organs. Its mouth gaped in

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.879
<v Speaker 2>open o shape around her stomach. He saw Grandma curled

0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 2>up and sleeping with her grandchild. The magician smiled and

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 2>peered closer. Something tar like oozed around her liver, taking

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<v Speaker 2>on shadowy menacing forms. Please stop, put me back together, Please,

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.399
<v Speaker 2>she begged. It doesn't hurt, the magician repeated. Everyone is

0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 2>so sure it will hurt, but it doesn't. I'm a

0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.320
<v Speaker 2>good magician, so it doesn't. The magician turned to look

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 2>into her lower half. At the center lay a coiled

0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.199
<v Speaker 2>pit viper, who pulled back its head and struck at

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<v Speaker 2>the glass. He studied the marrow of her slit bones

0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 2>and watched rainbow swirling through her left side. A whispering

0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.479
<v Speaker 2>came from her right. He leaned close, but he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>make out any of the words. You're way more amazing

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<v Speaker 2>than any other woman I've looked into, not that there's

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<v Speaker 2>been many, he added, hurriedly, not wanting her to think

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<v Speaker 2>this meant nothing to him. When he was done, he

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<v Speaker 2>pushed the two sides of the box back together and

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.359
<v Speaker 2>looked at her face. Her eyes looked cartoonish and huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't hurt, he whispered. It may be shocking, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no pain.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He took out four more panes of glass to separate

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<v Speaker 2>her legs from each other, and to sever a section

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of her torso off. There was still so much more

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to see. He saw everything, and she made sense to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now He saw that she loved him in the curl

0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>of bright green leaves growing through her steadfast heart. Feeling

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<v Speaker 2>sated and a little faint, he pushed the box back

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<v Speaker 2>together and pulled out the panes of glass streaked with

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<v Speaker 2>red and a faint sheen of viscerah. He held his

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<v Speaker 2>hand over the box, let magic flow out and through him,

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<v Speaker 2>putting her back together until he became empty. He unlocked

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<v Speaker 2>the box and pulled her limp form out, pulling her

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<v Speaker 2>into his arms. She wouldn't look at him and kept

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<v Speaker 2>her face turned away like a stubborn child. He went

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<v Speaker 2>to go get two glasses of water from the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>She had lost fluids and was probably thirsty. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to tell her what he'd seen, what he knew now.

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<v Speaker 2>When he came back, she was gone. She turned the

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<v Speaker 2>front door into a massive wasp nest and written a

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<v Speaker 2>note she left on the box. I warned you. He

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<v Speaker 2>started crying. He thought she'd be the one who would

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<v Speaker 2>be a good box girl. He had hoped an alchemist

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<v Speaker 2>would understand him, and she loved him. He knew that

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.199
<v Speaker 2>he'd seen it. Maybe she needed a little time. He

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<v Speaker 2>turned back to the box and ran a finger along

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<v Speaker 2>one of the glass panes. He touched his reddened finger

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<v Speaker 2>to his tongue, tasting her It held nuances of smoke, rain,

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<v Speaker 2>and fresh bread. He took each of the glass panes

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and licked them clean. The magician slept an uneasy sleep

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and woke with the feeling that his half remembered dreams

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 2>had all been violent. He got up to make his

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and felt a weight and shift of gravity within

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<v Speaker 2>his body. Something fluttered in his belly, and he ran

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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom. Just getting to the toilet, as he

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<v Speaker 2>started throwing up, red carp slipped out of his throat

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<v Speaker 2>and into the toilet bowl. They swam in circles in

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<v Speaker 2>the water. He ran a hand through his hair and

0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 2>it felt thick and curly like the alchemist's. When he peed,

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>he felt the sting of snake venom, burning as urethra

0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>from the inside. He called the Alchemist and left her

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<v Speaker 2>a long message, saying that he missed her and loved her,

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<v Speaker 2>and that yesterday had been the best moment of his life.

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:22.280
<v Speaker 2>His voice squawked and brayed like a teenager's. Not knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what to do, he made eggs and toast, but they

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 2>tasted wrong in his mouth. He drank black coffee instead,

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 2>just like she liked it. Wasps swarmed around his food,

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.080
<v Speaker 2>stealing tiny chunks with their front legs and buzzing around him.

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<v Speaker 2>He left her another message, saying some weird things were happening,

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<v Speaker 2>what should he do to change back? Then he left

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>another telling her how beautiful she was inside and out,

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 2>but mostly inside. Two days later, he started to shake.

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>At first, it was a physical sensation, but it invaded everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and he panicked, unable to calm down, to sit still,

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 2>to do anything but freak out. Someone had cut him

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<v Speaker 2>up into pieces. He loved, had done that and liked it,

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't catch his breath. And also that someone

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 2>was him, and he had loved it, and he had

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:11.239
<v Speaker 2>cried and cried loud and ugly. He went to his

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>box and came close to destroying him, but parts of

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 2>him were still him, so he did not. The panic

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 2>turned a grayness to a nothingness, like he sat in

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.679
<v Speaker 2>a shroud of clouds and could touch nothing, feel nothing.

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>He needed her, he thought, numbly. She had done this

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to him, she had destroyed him. He didn't want to

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>know what it felt like to have a magician cut

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you in half and love it, even as you begged

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>him to stop. But she had invaded him with herself.

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:42.679
<v Speaker 2>He sickened himself, and he was himself. He wrote on

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>a piece of paper, I get it. I know what

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and tied it to his pigeon's foot, sending

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it out to find her. When the pigeon came back,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote another note. You warned me. I get it now,

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and you should have told me how dangerous you are.

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Even as he wrote the words, he knew that she

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.160
<v Speaker 2>had told him and he hadn't listened. He called more

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 2>magic into him than ever before and tried to make

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a spell that would turn back time. He tried to

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 2>change fact into fiction, to erase his own memory, to

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 2>become wise and not care about any of this. He

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 2>failed over and over again. He had never been a

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>very good magician. The end, yay, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Took a lot of notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets kind of intense. I have to admit I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I was like slowburn, slowburn, sloburn fire. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite line I wrote it down was I keep

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<v Speaker 1>all of my tricks small so I don't scare people.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>That is an incredible line. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, Another part

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was interesting was the flower choice because

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<v Speaker 1>the evolution of the cowl and like the meaning behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like originally I think it was back in Egypt, it meant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the meaning behind it, the symbolism behind it

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>was more of like sexuality, and it's matured throughout the

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>years to mean more of like And I'm thinking, just

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<v Speaker 1>broadly speaking, is more of you know, union and purity

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and marriage and things like that. So it's interesting, it's interesting. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>that choice of flowers interesting to me. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if that's what the author had in mind, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's what came to my weird plant loving brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 2>conscious choice. But I love all of the symbols throughout it,

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>all the car the lavender seeds, the like. This is

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 2>such a beautiful story and yet I mean it's so brutal. Yeah,

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>but it, like I understand why fiction has to engage

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<v Speaker 2>with like really hard and complex and dark subjects, right,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to say a lot of true and meaningful things,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to sometimes go a little dark. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the average author doesn't really earn that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the average author is just like and now for

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<v Speaker 2>some shock value, and then like, this story is about

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<v Speaker 2>a consent violation and it is framed non sexually on purpose,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is like really clear. Like it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about what the story is. But to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's so clear. It's like the story says

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<v Speaker 2>it better than what I could think of to say

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<v Speaker 2>about it. In most ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It started off where I was like, this is giving

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<v Speaker 1>very much five hundred days of Summer vibes, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>That movie, I don't think so. Is that is that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Is like a manic Pixie dream girl.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a story where you're seeing two versions of

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<v Speaker 1>a love story that isn't actually a love story.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The male protagonist is protagonist in quotes, is definitely more

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<v Speaker 1>into her than she's into him. But he has this

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<v Speaker 1>version of what's happening within their relationship that is his

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<v Speaker 1>made up version, and it's actually not the love story

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<v Speaker 1>that the audience thinks is unfolding, and you get the

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<v Speaker 1>real versions of what's actually happening. And it's very much

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<v Speaker 1>that he's so much into more into her, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is something that happens in this episode. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, different boundaries that are that are not respected,

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<v Speaker 1>and it starts off I feel like the story starts

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<v Speaker 1>off with a lot of that, the same metaphors, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it gets lit on fire, which is and like

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<v Speaker 1>they could have done that in five and Day Summer

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<v Speaker 1>and it would have been really cool. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's just so many ways that this magician. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, don't match with a witchy woman, don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>mess with a witchy woman. She has magical powers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, goodness in your apartment, it's not going to be good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think this is just a really interesting story

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<v Speaker 1>about why boundaries are so important and why you should

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<v Speaker 1>listen to people when they say things too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I like about it is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's like she likes him. Most of the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the like stories about even like male violence

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<v Speaker 2>for example, are always framed in this sort of black

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<v Speaker 2>and white like, oh, well, just this man is a

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<v Speaker 2>monster and everyone knows he's a monster, or even he's

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<v Speaker 2>a secret monster.

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<v Speaker 1>But not.

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<v Speaker 2>But like in a not realistic way, this feels like

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<v Speaker 2>such a realistic Yeah, like it's just so funny because

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<v Speaker 2>it's about an alchemist and a magician. We're both literally

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<v Speaker 2>alchemists and magicians. But it at the same time, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like more realistic of a relationship dynamic than like almost

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<v Speaker 2>anything I read.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say he does start showing his red flags early.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, like different different lines, like telling her to

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<v Speaker 1>show him what she can really do, worrying about religious

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<v Speaker 1>folks seeing, and worrying about what people think. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he said something like I liked the way the

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol softened her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, gross, that's like the creepiest line. And no, there's

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<v Speaker 2>creepier lines, but that's one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the top creepy lines. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate him a question mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's where it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he like directly disrespects her in public and

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<v Speaker 1>belittles that it calls her a perfumist instead of an alchemist.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh see, I thought that was a I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was like him being clever, like doing a joke

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<v Speaker 2>between that. I think that was like an inside joke

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<v Speaker 2>between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was I read it read I read

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<v Speaker 1>it as negative, read it as like he does fake magic,

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<v Speaker 1>she does real magic. So he's going to belitteral her title.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, I wouldn't put it past him, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I dislike him as soon as he's like even though

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>this is such a real line and it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good male written by a non male author, moment

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<v Speaker 2>is like, oh, I accidentally hit her in the boob.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the kind of boob I like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like big and droopy or round and droopy or something

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like, I was just gonna ask, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a We often see this split her into split

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<v Speaker 1>her in half metaphor within literature and within you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just artsy media in general. Is there a bigger meaning

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>behind that to you? Or did you take it more

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<v Speaker 1>literally like he was doing a trick or was it

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that he was trying to uh morph her some way?

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I took it kind of literally. I think it's like

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's like a metaphor for like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you do something intense with someone doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even have to be a metaphors for something sexual. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when you do something really intense with someone, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>like see inside them, You're going to see them past

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<v Speaker 2>the boundaries that they try to keep people away from, right,

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And so he's looking inside of her, and it's this

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<v Speaker 2>this clever way I think to be able to like frame,

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 2>he got to see what was really inside her, He

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<v Speaker 2>got to like see her completely, like more than naked.

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know he called her a good box girl

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and that made my skin crawl.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like it's funny because upon rereading it the

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<v Speaker 2>first the first section is afterwards like it's and so

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, now he's just doing magic tricks at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a kid's birthday party or whatever, and he misses her

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and but he doesn't really He's like, when am I

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna find my good lie?

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you catch that that he got downgraded from big

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>show to kids birthday party? Yeah, that's so interesting.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like this was, you know, super relatable to

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people's ex experience dating and having their

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries disrespected. Yeah, and I felt like she and you know,

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>he says it at the end, he says something like

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<v Speaker 1>you should have told me how dangerous you are. And

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>then he was like you did, And it's like, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, she has magical powers, bro. Second of all,

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you chose not to listen, tell us your choice. You

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>chose to disrespect your boundaries and you went too far

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and you'll regret that the rest of your life. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the only person you can be mad at here is yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it would be so such an interesting version of

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>this story where she's like never mind and he's like okay,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and they like almost do this really dangerous thing together,

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 2>but she's like nope, I'm good, I gotta stop, and

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>then they like go back to like cause that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a that's such a real relationship thing too, right as

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you have those moments where you're like, oh, are we

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 2>doing this thing? And you're like, yeah, we're doing this thing,

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and then you're like wait no and both people are

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like oh did we'd go too far? But you actually

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it and you don't do what this man

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<v Speaker 2>did that I don't know anyway, this version of the

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<v Speaker 2>story is clearly the better way to do it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it would be an interesting comparison to make,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it could be the type of thing

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<v Speaker 1>like going back to five hundred Days of Summer where

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<v Speaker 1>you see the idealized version of the story versus what

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened and having those two comparisons look at like

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<v Speaker 1>what could have been?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Like what is the version that each of

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<v Speaker 2>them will tell their grandkids happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she'll tell her grandkids anything happened. I

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>think she'll no.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think he'll ever have kids.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think he'll ever have kids. One and two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he is a strong enough person to

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<v Speaker 1>admit what actually happened here, and so he would tell

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>some ridiculous story that's not actually accurate in anyway she

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>performed that makes him look better than he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that as the years go by, it would

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<v Speaker 2>become further and further divorced from reality. I think he would,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by the time he is by the time

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<v Speaker 2>those kids and grandkids, he'd be like, oh, the love

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.919
<v Speaker 2>that got away from me, because you know, this one

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>thing that she was to anyway, whatever, Well, what the

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>author had to say about it, I asked Catherine Sparrow.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote, when I wrote it, I was feeling feistier

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<v Speaker 2>than usual about the ways that romance and straight love

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 2>are often told in the rosy patriarchal glow of consent

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 2>violations and boundary crossings, and I hate that. God, I

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>love her. I know it's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Catherine, what a fantastic author. You are just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I am really excited to read more by her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked for plugs and she said, as far

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<v Speaker 2>as plugs. The Fay Morgan Chronicles or some ebooks available

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 2>at Amazon, and they are about a modern day Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>le Fay who is a long lived anarchist witch fighting

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<v Speaker 2>the power and grumpily saving the world. So that might

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 2>be up some people's alleys who are listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so freaking cool. Yeah, awesome. I enjoyed this so much.

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