WEBVTT - Player’s Lounge: Greatest You’ve Ever Seen 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:02.400 The following. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.440 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:05.960 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:09.080 Cowboys. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:16.079 This is the Player's Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:21.560 World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.560 Heckma Harrison and Newi scrugs. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.760 Happy posts, married, Christmas, everybody, Welcome to lounge, brought to 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.720 you by Aristocrat Giving. Your favorite negroes are here. Yeah, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:47.240 Harris Building, it's very Church scrugs. The Cowboy locker room 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.720 is open now, just left there. Michael Parsons in a 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.879 good mood. Oh, he said his girl bought him a 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.360 big golf car for Christmas. So he said, my golf car, Yeah, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.560 he said, gonna get tricked out with some lines on nations. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.680 But I don't own any golf clubs. So hey, he's 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:11.480 ain't even on the course. So how big this state is? 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:12.039 That's true? 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:12.920 So heck. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.200 What my me thought was, this man needs to meet 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.880 Barry Church. And of course yes, you need to get 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:19.800 mister Church here. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.400 You know rich friends, you know other rich friends. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.560 Rich hop me up with endorsements. I can introduce him 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.240 to some castle. Just get a couple of gear, that's 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:30.000 all I need some gear. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.720 That's make the intro. That's it. You're listening, parcels. Let's go. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.360 You get here early enough we can go back to 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.240 locker room. I just thought Jason Hatcher back there. So 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.880 you know, man, I forgot how. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:50.080 Big dude the Gramley state, Yeah, you need to go. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:51.640 You need to go and find Michael Man. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.280 Go ahead, talk man, chop it up with him. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.280 Got to text him him, swing by so exactly. So 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.160 I asked, you got to go coach now, and he 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.040 said it's somebody the team who plays that can help 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.560 him out. And I just like, yeah, Church singing home back, 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.200 I see an opportunity. That is that is I appreciate 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.760 that you see an opportunity right there. See if I 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.640 can finish it of All Saints. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.880 London, All Saints Man, Yes, so heck man, we did 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.440 the little topics today and I'm shocked. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.120 That's all we gonna jump off. I don't know whether 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:32.160 it was Christmas eggnog or something. Barry Church says he's 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:33.880 changed his mind. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.520 So that message went through the chat. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:41.600 But my Kansas City pig, that's crazy even see. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:47.119 It because you know, you know, don't don't let him 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.320 do that, because I thought that pick went in. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:50.440 I thought, I went. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.200 I've changed my mind on McCarthy. So what does that? 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:57.119 What does that mean? 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:58.040 Man? 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.760 I'm gonna tell the people, you know, what they want 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.360 to hear, and that's the truth, all right. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.919 So going through this thing, I mean, I know I've 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:04.280 been hard. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.160 I've been one of the people that's been on Mike 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.440 mccafee saying you haven't done what you need to do. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.480 You were brought here to win a championship, which is true. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.160 He was brought here to do what coach Gearrett wasn't 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.600 able to do in the words of Newie Scrugs, And 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.839 that's the possible truth right there. And he was yeah, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.920 and many of you, many other people, and he wasn't 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.240 able to get them past that division mark. So that's 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.240 still hold strong. But to me, a lot of weight 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.440 has to go to what he's been able to do 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.840 as far as get these players to continue to play. Like, 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.080 to me, that that holds a lot of weight out 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:39.640 there for me, because when you look. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.600 At him the team over they could. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.640 Have been through the talent, all right, when Dak Prescott 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.160 went down for the season, they could have through the 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.560 talent and just ran off just went out there getting 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.560 ready for Cabo and just saying, ah, you know, I'm 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.680 injured here and there, and I you know, I don't 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.120 want to suit up or I'm not gonna give it 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.000 my all. They could have been through the talent there, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.080 but they did. They could have through the talent in Cincinnati, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.920 when basically their playoff hosts were destroyed, it was over with. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.240 They lost a heartbreaker, but they didn't. Man, and they 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.200 continue to go out there and the shit best players 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:08.880 that are going out there and fighting, and those are 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.080 the guys that usually the rest of the team rallies behind. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:11.680 All right. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.200 When I was on teams that Hugh and the Tower early, man, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.400 we get these Vegas trips going up week fifteen. We fourteen, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.520 got these Vegas trips lined up, and those were the 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.000 best players that were saying. And so of course myself, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.720 being a young guy, I'm gonna follow suit all this 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.480 season's done for. I'm cool. But when you got your 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.680 best guys out there, the Parsons, the Lambs, Bland Lewis, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.560 those cats rolling still, it showed me a lot. It 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.719 showed me that this guy still had the locker room, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.360 all right, because that's huge to me. You gotta in 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.440 this situation, I think. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.960 A lot goes into what the players want, and. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.080 Obviously they still want big Micael Arown. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.440 You know, we saw some of that controversy earlier in 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:50.919 this season where they were talking about, you know, he 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.800 hasn't putting this much work in Dah Da Da Dad. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.640 That's one player, Ceede Lamb talking about the offense. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:56.800 He ain't doing what it's supposed to do. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.200 But he went over there and had and kudos them, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.400 had a man and man conversation with those guys. And 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.440 what do we see off of that? You know, hey, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.120 man as the switch, I talked to Mike. You know 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.240 we're good now and the play on. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:07.960 The field shows it. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.279 So I know I've been extremely hard on them, and 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.520 rightfully so because you know this was the proven year 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.359 and you know, didn't get it done. But I gotta 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.320 put weight until what these players want and obviously what. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.520 They show on the football field is they still want 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.359 Mike around because they could have been through the talent 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.919 and they did it. So to me, you're gonna end 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.919 the season, you know, possibly nine and eight, which I 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.440 predicted early on, but you know, we'll see from there. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.280 But these players, you know what I mean, they want 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.200 big mic, they want big mic. So you know, I 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.800 gotta I gotta put weight on what the players do 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:40.760 out there on the football. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.320 I changed my mind. Who are you? 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.799 Who are you? 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.440 I do? It was a nine and eight wildcard? Wild card? 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.840 It what for Washington pulling off for you know, heroics? 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:04.119 It could have been aligned? Who are you with Bury Church? 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:09.240 I'm just saying, because noe, are you okay? Are you shocked? 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:10.560 Because I'm shocked? 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:12.040 How'll they do? 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.839 You're shot? I read this book this year, best book 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.719 I read this year. It's called Think Again by Adam Grant, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.240 and he says that we need to usually becoming things 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:31.600 through either you're a prosecutor a politician. It's a prosecutor 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.120 politician and it was another p and basically that's how 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:36.880 we look at things. And he said, well, we need 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.120 to be more of a scientist. As a scientist, you 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.440 allow yourself to change your mind. Like you know, if 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.440 you're come in as a as a preacher, preacher like, nah, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.320 this is what I believe at that. I ain't moving 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.479 off that politician. Well this is my stance and I'm 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.640 gonna move off my stands. Prosecutor. Hey, this is the law, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.720 this is what's meant to follow. But as a scientist 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.520 you can say, man, things change, And to me, I'm 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.400 looking at it and his church is kind of coming 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.440 around to where you and I have been, where we 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.400 kind of look at it more in context and just Okay, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.720 here's what happened. What's everything that went into this year? Also, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:12.960 what's the resume been? 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.280 First year? Bad? Bad? 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.760 Okay? Mike Nolan going twelve twelve and five, twelve, five twelve. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.040 And five bad? 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.840 Playoff now and he was a part of it. Bad, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.160 But starting to look to me, if I'm looking at 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.040 open mindedly, general manager did not give him all the 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.840 tools that were needed. You bring in a guy like 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.120 Mike Zimmer who's shown you, oh, by the way, as 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.720 the guys have bought into it, even though they're losing, dudes, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.120 they bought into the defenses, played well. He may have 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.720 even save his job. I think those are things that 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:48.680 can turn your mind around on Mike McCarthy. Which maybe 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.200 that's where you hit church as you've kind of been inside. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.600 Just let me think again, let me think about this again. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.480 Let me go back and line up everything again. You 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.520 played the game, and so you're like, hey, I was 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.120 there when uncawayh was coaching. We all laid down on 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.600 a Sunday night at Green Bay and guys that thumping 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.000 beat out of us. And then next thing we know, wait, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.280 not the coach anymore, and it's Jason Garrett. The middle 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.920 of the season, just in the locker room, Jordan Lewis 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.640 and Cooper Rush were asked about do you like the 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.640 fact that Mike is still playing veteran guys saying let's 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.720 get out here and win a professionalist about him? So 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.680 maybe that's where you got to I'm not a player. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.760 I don't know the workings of the room and how 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.800 things and people can lay down, But to me, I 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.520 try to look at the whole body of working what 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.240 Mike has done. Yes, it has been a disappointment because 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.640 he did not take them further than what he did, 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.800 but he wasn't one hundred percent alone here. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.120 The hardest part about doing this job is working with 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.720 people that you respect, respect what they say, you respect 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.880 their opinions, and then you're trying to hold on to 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.600 your opinion. And so for years now we've been having 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.000 this conversation and I've been doing a deep dive on 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.280 what's your deal with Mike off air on air, asking 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.880 you these same questions, and you've always come to the 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.719 point of the moment. The moment is fleeting from him. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.440 He knows what's up, that he knows what's out there. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.599 The team has to be ready for the opportunity, and 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.800 each time he's gotten there, he hadn't lived up to 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.199 that moment. He's fail. I've asked other guys, as other professionals, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.640 had these conversations and say, man, what's the deal with Mike. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.839 You know what I'm saying, because to me, when I 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.800 look at Mike McCarthy his body of work, and I 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.439 look at the other guys that are, you know, his contemporaries, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:21.679 I always say the same thing. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.240 I'm like, look, Mike adds up. He adds up in 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.160 every way, the way that he treats his players. You 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.400 always hear guys, man, home, you know, treat me like 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:28.719 a man. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.199 You know, I ain't no kid, you know, And just 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.800 a respect level that he's earned from everybody that's ever 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.360 played with him except for Aaron Rodgers. Okay, but still, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.439 but yeah, it's still they did great things together. I 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.760 look at and I think, as you come to the 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.000 we talked about it at the beginning of the year, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.200 months before the season even started. What does this mean 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.040 for Mike coming into a season where he does not 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.920 have a contract? And everybody, I think collectively said this 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.080 is a disaster. It's going to be a disaster because 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.200 if the team starts hot, then everybody's going to be saying, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.920 where'she's where's the contract for Mike? If things go right 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.640 and there's injuries and you fall fall through the floor when. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.040 He getting out of here, give me a paul on 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:12.400 because he. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:15.959 Oh, give me that. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:17.800 And I mean, we've been going through this. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.160 It's been like this from a media standpoint each and 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.400 every weekend. To me, man, when I look at Mike McCarthy, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.520 I can just go back to his belief that he 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.440 has in himself and his confidence. Because if I was Mike, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:29.959 if I was hearing some of the things that I 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.120 was hearing from the media and on the radio station, Dog, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.120 I been know me, Dog, I'm be in a shouting 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:37.640 match every week with these boys. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.640 Jes what you say, say what you said when you 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:41.679 said it, you know. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.360 But it's his the confidence that he has in himself 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.800 and the ability to go out there and prepare this 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.760 team even though, look, you're out of the playoffs, it's 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:51.160 over with. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:52.319 Where was this? 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.840 Where was this energy against Tampa? Man, when y'all playing 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.400 against Detroit? Where was the I mean, where was this 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.719 when you were playing against the Saints. People can go 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.880 back and say, hey, man, y'all had all y'all dogs, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.280 and y'all played against them, and y'all still ended up getting. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.160 A break speed off of y'all. So why is anything 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:08.719 gonna change? 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.679 And I understand, Like for me, I just say, this 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.840 team has to be better at pulling in a talented 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.120 roster together. That's gonna propel this team to win not 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.840 only the NFC East but the NFC and get through 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.440 the playoffs to get to a super Bowl, because anything 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.160 short of that is gonna be a failure even for 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.280 the next coach, because the Cowboy Nation is at the 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.680 point now it's like, you don't we don't even dude, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.520 talk to me when the playoffs start. That was the 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.720 beginning of the season. Talk to me when the playoff start. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.040 I don't even tell me about what's hater the regular season. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.000 Talk to me when the playoff starts and we're not 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:39.559 even in it. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.079 You know, that's the fan danger of not understanding what 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.640 coaches always say that you know, you must start from 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.400 the bottom every year. To me, every season is like 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.920 trying to climb out. Ever, it takes a long time 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.800 to get there, and most people you lose it, you know, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.679 trying to get up to have it got closed. We 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.520 got to go walk all the way back down and 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.120 start over again. One of the things about Mike McCarthy 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.520 and also says about Mike Tomlin, when you think about 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.439 the dudes they coached, you didn't want a Super Bowl 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.120 at Aaron Rodgers, Mike Thomas gone out here and won 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.360 a Super Bowl. Antonio Brown, You're out here with some 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.800 dudes that you know, some agendas and some you know, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.360 the fact that you were able to get like it's 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.320 like Chuck Day and Phil Jackson coaching Rodman and winning 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.959 championships said, yeah, he had this viola but violatile personality 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.000 and the quirks that come and figured out a way 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.680 to win a championship and get get them to play 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.400 at Hall of Fame levels. Antonio Brown, say whatever you 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.319 want about his career. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:42.720 They got the numbers. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.440 Now there will be a conversation in Canton, Ohio amongst 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.719 the writers and the voters about his candidacy. We know 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.800 Aaron Rodgers is getting in. There is to me that 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.319 I think there's me. I think there is something about 0:12:55.440 --> 0:13:00.800 coaches having the ability to coach mercurial and interesting personalities. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:06.480 Man, that's a statement, because man, I put for me 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.920 my opinion of coaches. I put coaches up there with pastors. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.800 Man as far as the and I know these parallels 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.520 will never meet. One has a tremendous amount of more 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.959 pressure on them as a leading souls to heaven than 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.600 a coach does. But I think of what their job 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.719 is of taking young men, whether it be a high 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.960 school coach, a college coach, forming these guys. I hear 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:28.880 you talk about coaches all the time, the guys that 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.440 taught you how to go for being an amateur player 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.000 to being a professional, and whether it was a position 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.760 coach or whatever, it was those guys that formed who 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.480 you are and who you are currently. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.040 And so that's why when guys go into the Hall 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.839 of Fame, they have coaches present them. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.319 But what you said here does make a lot of 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.680 sense because you go back to what Jesus started about. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.440 He said, I'm a teacher. You know, pastors are teachers. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.760 Coaches are teaching absolutely and I and just when I 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.000 have looked at some of the best coaches in history, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.960 I think like Chuck Noele, think about Bill Walsh, they 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.400 were actual school teachers. Vince Entbard and they taught school. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.520 You know, Paul Brown, they actually taught school. And Lloyd 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.520 lesson plans and how to reach people, how to be 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.400 in a classroom. I got all these kids, like these 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:13.920 three kids about to cut up, So how do I 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.520 deal with them to keep them away from the other 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.120 ones who were trying to learn? And I mean that 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.920 all of that it's the same. And I found that 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.600 some of the most effective people have been those who 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.480 taught in the classroom and have an understanding of educational 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.400 systems and different learning stid. I was talking to Dennis 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.320 Thurmy one time and he told me in his dB 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.840 room he had to figure out how guys learned. Are 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.640 you a visual learner? Are you a person? Can I 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.040 draw it on to trouble or do I have to 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.160 take you out on the field and show you? And 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.960 he said I had to, He said I had to. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.720 I have as a coach learn what is it my 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.360 players need and how did they get it? And then 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.520 if I know, Okay, hey, Ed Reid wants it this way. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.840 He talked about that. Now, coach ed this way. Troy 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.760 Polamalo needed to see it this way. But what you said, 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.240 between pastors and coaches, it's all teaching. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:59.200 And his ability. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.400 And you talk mind these moments where they could have 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.960 just given up and already put the to loom, got 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.320 on their plane first, you know, the first class and 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.640 you haven't seen them. Melle it in and and I 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.000 think the endorsements when they come from the from the top, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.280 when they come from your top, guys, I think that 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.960 says more. Now will that resident Will that resonate with 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:20.760 your fan base? 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.520 I don't know. I don't know, man, I don't know. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:26.760 That's the toughest part. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:32.120 Resonate with one man. 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