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Speaker 1: star rating and comment I ain't we ain't go You know,

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Speaker 1: we ain't no political show. And I don't like to

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Speaker 1: talk about too much politics, man, but us having younger

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Speaker 1: sons that could possibly be called into war to fight

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Speaker 1: some punk ass war, I try to stay abreast of

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Speaker 1: what's going on. We over there, dropping on we over

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Speaker 1: there in Iran right now, kicking up dusk, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of crazy right now, man, we actually

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Speaker 1: in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Why what are they trying to say? They're gonna go

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Speaker 2: back to drafting people? You know what?

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Speaker 1: I hope not, man, because I've always told my sons,

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Speaker 1: not that I'm just this unpatriotic motherfucker, but I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that people should go lose their lives over some

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Speaker 1: dumb ass shit, especially when somebody ain't bothering you. You

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Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. Yeah, I think if I think

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Speaker 1: if we had an occupation over here and we was

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Speaker 1: being attacked, man, I would very much hold it down.

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Speaker 1: I think we all was, you know. But this shit

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Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with us, man. This is

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Speaker 1: all about oil and power, man, and motherfucker's trying to

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Speaker 1: seize control of somebody else's shit.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: They don't went over there and knocked them. They don't

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Speaker 1: went over there and knocked that man down. The people

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Speaker 1: like for what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a politician. I mean, you know you

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Speaker 3: you you tend to follow wars or whatever whatever the

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Speaker 3: case may be. You think in this generation a lot

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Speaker 3: of shit is attributed to the oil prices and and

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Speaker 3: and you know you because you already say you see

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Speaker 3: people saying that we weren't. We did, they didn't pose

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Speaker 3: any kind of imminent threat to a motherfucker. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess when you in power, you know, I guess

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Speaker 3: that's the that's the norm, right you You become the

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Speaker 3: new nigga, that new head in charge. And uh, with

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Speaker 3: any situation, does does that work? Does that work in

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Speaker 3: street politics. Does that work in the mob? Does that

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Speaker 3: who doesn't understand politics.

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Speaker 1: You move, So it's the same thing. It's the same.

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Speaker 3: As as example, you know, some some some neighborhood, some

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Speaker 3: gangs don't go by the the the authority I mean

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Speaker 3: or the scale of of the higher ups.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the president get elected, right, people vote

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Speaker 3: for him, People.

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Speaker 2: Elect you, you in head, You the head of the mob.

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Speaker 3: People they vote you in right, you have to get

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a certain order to how you become

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Speaker 3: your your rivals, right, the enemies, the ops, you know.

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Speaker 3: Put it in simple terms. For niggas, there's decisions that

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Speaker 3: that we want to take over? They got a prime spot,

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you negotiate and you go, Okay, we're gonna let

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Speaker 3: you looking at the sense of that, is that Trump

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Speaker 3: know what the fuck you get.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the same. You pretty much broke it down.

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Speaker 1: He wants to replace their leadership. He pretty much wants

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Speaker 1: new leadership. That's gonna pretty much do whatever the fuck he' said.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, Okay, you know he wants.

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Speaker 3: You see that in mob stories, right, you give me, uh,

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Speaker 2: One of the one of the head.

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Speaker 1: Family chase because the other dude ain't going for their bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It's like, man, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 3: You're going to plot with somebody inside the family right

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Speaker 3: to kill him? And now I'm gonna let you take

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Speaker 3: over because we gotta understanding. Because didn't he make a

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Speaker 3: didn't he make a comment to saying that who's ever

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Speaker 2: So I gotta be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: And this is what he said, very big of them

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Speaker 1: right now. This is that's why when you see him,

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Speaker 1: what you're saying us President Trump said that there would

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Speaker 1: be no deal with Iren or to unconditional surrender. The

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Speaker 1: President also told CNN he is not concerned whether Iren

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Speaker 1: would treat the US Israel in the Middle East ally

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Speaker 1: as well. So pretty much they're saying that you want

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Speaker 1: so many problems over here already in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Why are we always in the mix of somebody else's ship?

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Speaker 3: Because I think it shows it shows power to other motherfuckers, like,

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Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna do. We ain't gonna you do.

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Speaker 3: They try, you see it. They send out ice, and

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Speaker 3: when they're civil unrest. Right, But that shows power, you

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Speaker 3: get me that I could just load up a gang

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Speaker 3: just go fuck that. It shows the America superpower, right,

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Speaker 3: It shows we got more weight. Right, that's what it's

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Speaker 1: It shows power, man, And that's all it is. A

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Speaker 1: fleshy thing. Again, I'm not a political fund and I

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Speaker 1: don't even try to pretend to understand shit. Man.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, I've been on this planet man

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Speaker 1: fifty five years now, and just since we've been doing

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Speaker 1: voting and all that shit, right, I really don't think

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Speaker 1: it makes no difference because I don't think that we

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Speaker 1: I don't think voting has been a real for several years, bro.

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Speaker 1: I think they go put an office whoever they want there.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, you know, you learn over time as far

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Speaker 2: Been I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not dumb to politics. I'm just not a politician.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not dumb to politics.

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Speaker 2: And laws and rules and.

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Speaker 3: All taxes and all these other things right that were created.

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Speaker 3: The funny shit is, you know, I'm not oblivious to

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Speaker 3: do all of this pushing for the common man to

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Speaker 3: not not going to discount California, because you know, I

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Speaker 3: love California.

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful. When you go to these places.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Ayowas, the Wisconsins, the you know, the

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Speaker 3: this policy of of voting and my shit matters and

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Speaker 3: for none of that. They they vote the president in

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Speaker 3: the people who are already in power.

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Speaker 2: You get me.

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Speaker 3: We run to the polls and it shows the favoritism

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Speaker 3: who's going to be the president. Right, the electoral votes

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Speaker 3: doesn't elect the president, right, No, it doesn't. It's it's

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Speaker 2: What are we voting for? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Especially when you you know, the thing with this guy

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Speaker 1: You see, he told people, man, they cheated me and

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Speaker 1: me and you ran up in the White House and

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Speaker 1: he pardoned the motherfucker's later home for that? Did you

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Speaker 1: know what would happened to me and you? If we

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Speaker 1: ran up in the White House, bro, turning over desk

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Speaker 1: and tearing shit off the wall, we would still be

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Speaker 1: We'd probably got shot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's great that we have come a

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Speaker 3: up for a lot of shit from basically what we

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Speaker 3: you know, our ancestors had to deal with. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've come a long way, but we ain't came, but

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Speaker 3: we ain't went nowhere. You feel me. We've come a

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Speaker 3: long way, but we ain't went nowhere. That's why I

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Speaker 3: really don't get into politics. And I tried to walk

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Speaker 3: my straight line as straight as I can, because you know,

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Speaker 3: I've seen the pitfalls of what can happen to young

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Speaker 3: to the devices of selling dope, gang banging, killing a

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Speaker 3: is a second thought. Nigga's survival. You feel me.

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Speaker 2: Before I got to worry about carrying a.

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Speaker 3: You know, we still lived in the neighbor hoods. But

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Speaker 3: His only choice isn't to run with the knuckleheads banging

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Speaker 3: What I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna go around here,

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Speaker 1: Right, you can start trying to keep him busy.

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Speaker 3: That's that's why say, you see a lot of niggas

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Speaker 3: And at twelve thirteen, he gonna be fighting at school

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Speaker 2: You get me.

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Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate that some some like and I've known

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Speaker 2: It's just what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: There's no where you can And like I said, some

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Speaker 2: At fifteen fourteen, nigga.

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Speaker 3: We was fighting, shooting, robbing, going to going to jail,

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Speaker 3: It's critical right now. Do I want him to see

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Speaker 3: Then on Saturdays when he come outside to ride his bike,

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Speaker 3: throw my bag down, But then I'm going back outside

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know what I used to try to do, Man,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen a few of the kids I've had,

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Speaker 1: Most of the kids I had on my program when

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Speaker 3: I could see that because even even like I said,

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Speaker 3: You get me the hops a fucking you could throw

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Speaker 3: want to say punked, but they're sometimes they're being questioned

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Speaker 3: And yeah, nigga, you out there playing football and shit,

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Speaker 3: in there. Peer pressure is a motherfucker in those critical

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Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate when you're in the situation, situation of

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Speaker 2: That's that's common ground. You get me. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: You get me.

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Speaker 3: I'm living in Calm, you know, Long Beach or Watts

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Speaker 3: every claiming the set and belonging. And like I said,

436
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 3: when you're trying to be accepted during that critical age,

437
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: that's everything, especially where you're coming from and where you living.

438
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: You get me. That's why a lot of niggas. You know,

439
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 3: a lot of kids joined sports and in the community

440
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: and all of that. But you got to understand the

441
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: community you come from. There's a lot of parents who

442
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 3: aren't financially able to pay that full five six hundred

443
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: dollars and so like again, still got little Tony, Little Jay, Rock,

444
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: Lil whatever.

445
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: Then niggas they not playing football. You get me.

446
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: Thus you have dad who's in prison, or or big

447
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: brother who just came home, or cousin who just did fifteen,

448
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: and in this day and age, that shit is you though,

449
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: that shit is glorified.

450
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: You get me. Like we didn't. I didn't.

451
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: I didn't have a social media and I didn't have

452
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: those in Florida.

453
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: I saw what was their front center. You're getting.

454
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I seen the niggas on the block every day and whatever,

455
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: but now it's triple you know, niggas seeing chains and

456
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: niggas in the hood rapid and bang.

457
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's highly influenced. So it's it's.

458
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: Hard for a young dude to pick a side, especially

459
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 3: if he doesn't have a father figure or the father

460
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: figure is still y'all, I'm still from the hood.

461
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: You get me already?

462
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: Locked up?

463
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: You gotta be.

464
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: You got to be a smart individual as a man

465
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: to want to have better for your sons. And even

466
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: though you still might be, like you said, locked up

467
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 3: acclaiming the hood, you should always have the mind state

468
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: of wanting better.

469
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: You get me, That's just it. Did you want better?

470
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: No matter if I was still in the hood, or

471
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: going to prison every ten years or then killed the nigga, whatever, whatever,

472
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: I would always want the influence of my child to

473
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: be better than you get me. But unfortunately, you have

474
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: a lot of traditional shit, right level, A lot of

475
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: traditional shit. That's just like having that's just like having

476
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: a generation of family members who've joined the military and

477
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: somebody get killed, right, I don't give a fuck. We've

478
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: had a nigga join the military or armed forces since

479
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: the beginning of time, and they've always died. But you

480
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: still have motherfuckers going off join the military, even though

481
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: my uncle, brother, cousin, grandfather, great grandfather is traditioned to them,

482
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: like nigga, when I turn seventeen, I'm gonna go Jordan Army. Well,

483
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: damn nigga, didn't your grandfather die and then your uncle

484
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: die and then your cousin died and then the wootie

485
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: wim So don't you think maybe.

486
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: That that's not a path for you.

487
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: Maybe something else could be a nah man, I know,

488
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: when I turned seventeen and I graduate from high school,

489
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: that's my path.

490
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: And so we think about this, bro, think about this

491
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: eight think about this one second.

492
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: Right.

493
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: I had a kid, right, and I love this kid.

494
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: You hear me talk about them all the time. This

495
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: kid was living with me for a minute and it

496
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: really bothered me, Like I look at this dude like

497
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: a son. I love this dude like a son, Still

498
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: love him. Right, he had a kid, man, he had

499
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: moved out the Orange County, was doing well, was doing well,

500
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: got him a good job. He came by the house

501
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: one day and I snuffed a bunch of weed. He

502
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: had a big He had a couple pounds of weaed

503
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: in his bag. And I was like, man, what are

504
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: you doing? You know what I mean? So he back

505
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: is now he got a son. You know, he's trying

506
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: to make ends meet, right, I hear about this dude. Man,

507
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: he's in the park Donald Long Beach, hanging out, just

508
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: going to go hang out. He's with the homies. They

509
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: see one of their enemies. They see some enemies. Somebody's

510
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: shoot file.

511
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: The alert.

512
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: They man wind up getting hit and dying. He's sitting

513
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: up in prison now, man fighting a life sentence, the

514
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: dog fighting a life sentse. And I was just thinking that,

515
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: like I feel bad kind of because I feel really bad,

516
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: And it kind of really messed with my head because

517
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I said, I had this kid staying

518
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: with me, shit, I had done more. His mama wanted

519
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: him back at home because she was worried about well,

520
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't want my food stamps to get effected. I said,

521
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: you ain't got to give me nothing. I'm gonna take

522
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: care of this key. I'm gona tree the mikey mind.

523
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I had him set to go to the basket and

524
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: everything else. No, I'm more than I'm more than sure

525
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: this dud would have got a scholarship somewhere. All he

526
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: had to do was stayed the course. Right now, this

527
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: dude in jail, Man, that really broke my heart. And

528
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: I thought, right there, said man, maybe some dudes is

529
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: destined no matter what you do. I think I've been

530
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: through similar situations. I'm not gonna say that drastic, but.

531
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: You always meet one, right, especially as when you're coaching football, right,

532
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: you always meet one of.

533
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: Those kids to where you and you look up and.

534
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: He's at your house, you know, after Friday's practice, and

535
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: you love this little dude. And next thing you know,

536
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: summer comes and the kid is at your house, right,

537
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: you know, he's spending the night with your son and

538
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: they chilling and their friends on the football team, and

539
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: like you said, you start treating them like you your kid.

540
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: You know, y'all go out to eat, you feed him,

541
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: you go buy Chris something, you buy him something. You're

542
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: taking them places outside side of football and practice.

543
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: You know. And and but then.

544
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: They are gonna be those times where, like you said,

545
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: it's time for you to go back home, and it

546
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: might not be by your choice.

547
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: It might be about the parents' choice.

548
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: They just feeling like, hey, you know, I appreciate everything

549
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: you've done, whatever, but kid getting ready to go to school,

550
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: high school, whatever. You know, different things start changing around

551
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: those times. You start thinking about how far you could

552
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: have taken it, where the kid could have ended up,

553
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: and especially if it's in a situation to where you

554
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: know it just the kid just went totally left you,

555
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: you think, and you'd be like, damn, this kid used

556
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: to stay in my house for weeks and weeks, and

557
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: you know, and I used to digga just I coached

558
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: him for like a few years, and you know, I

559
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: just you know, do you know you thinking you your

560
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: significant Like I said, I've done the same thing. You know,

561
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: y'all should let him go to school over here, and

562
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: he could stay at my house and I'm not tripping.

563
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: Don't worry about paying me for food and all that. Man, man, please,

564
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm not a billionaire, but you know

565
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: I could feed the kid.

566
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: You get me.

567
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: I could wash a kid's clothes and drop him off

568
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: at school. Shit and my son going to the same place.

569
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: So what's the difference. I still got to do it

570
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: every morning? You feel me? I still got to get

571
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: up every morning and feed Karan. I still got to

572
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: drop him off at school and pick him up at practice.

573
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: So what the fuck is if I let another kid

574
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: in my back seat and another kid is sleeping on

575
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: the air mattress that I put in the room, and

576
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: get me uh uh, it's not making too much a

577
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: difference that bar soap that I'm bright, You feel me like, I'm.

578
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Not going It ain't much different.

579
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: If I'm buying a bar soap for Karan to wash

580
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: his ass. You could you there's there's there's three of

581
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: the bars that come in the pack.

582
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: You get me.

583
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: So it's not like your damage in anything. It's just

584
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: it's just unfortunate that that you you you don't have

585
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: you don't have control. You feel me, and you know,

586
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: parent might come along and be like, yeah, I want

587
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: my slim back home. You know. Father might come along

588
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: and be like, yeah, you know I need you know,

589
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: I need to start stepping up, and you know whatever, whatever,

590
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: it's just unfortunate.

591
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: But you can't blame yourself because you get you.

592
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: I was just a motherfucker who was trying, who tried

593
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: to show or thought I could show that at you know,

594
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: this kid's potential was more than you know, the path

595
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: that you know, his own parents were putting them on.

596
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: You have those situations, Like I said, some of the

597
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: kids turn out good, and you can go, hey, I

598
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: look at kids right now that I've coached, and you know,

599
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: some of them have great football careers. Some of them

600
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: are regular motherfuckers today and doing other shit outside of football,

601
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: and I just look at it and I just attributed

602
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: to that that I did my portion of what I could,

603
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: knowing how people right you got kids who playing football.

604
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: You got some of the kids that I coached who

605
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: went through high school and graduated.

606
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Some of them niggas got regular jobs and they're okay

607
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: with it. You get me. They turned out to be

608
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: good kids.

609
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: You know, nobody's in jail, nobody's you know, a struggling homeless.

610
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: You know, the.

611
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: It's just unfortunate that that's just life. Sometimes we can

612
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: learn from mistakes that we've made as young men and

613
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: we can hand that down to other motherfucking young men

614
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: and hoping because that's what I felt, you know, I

615
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: had for those kids who would come spend the night

616
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: or maybe moms, you know, fathers weren't around because they

617
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: were probably locked up or just you know, you know,

618
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: I know the situation. I'm not just gonna sit up

619
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: and call them fucked up niggas because I was a

620
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 3: young nigga too, You get me. I was a young

621
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: nigga too uneducated about shit. So I'm not gonna sit

622
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: up here and say a nigga who was seventeen eighteen

623
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: years old who wasn't around his son or his daughter

624
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: and was just a dead I had a kid young too.

625
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: Was I a perfect fucking father?

626
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: Hell now?

627
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: Because I thought of other shit, You get me. I

628
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: thought going on tour and rapping and chasing the dollar

629
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 3: bill was where I was supposed to be birthday parties

630
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: and picnics and signing kids up for sports. In my

631
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: early days as a young nigga trying to niggas twenty

632
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: twenty one, nigga, please, man, I was on the motherfucking

633
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: road and on the block every day.

634
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: You get me.

635
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't up at nobody's house sitting up with no

636
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: kid and no bashing that and rocking no kid and

637
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: nigga please, so I don't.

638
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: My father was around, but he wasn't around. You get me.

639
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't educated on how to be the perfect fucking

640
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: father when I had a kid.

641
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: I learned that shit over my.

642
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: Fifty something years on this earth, and a lot of

643
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: those things I didn't learn until I had my son,

644
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: which was thirty something forty years later.

645
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: You get me, I didn't learn. I did. Like you said,

646
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 2: there's a look.

647
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: Once you start getting older and you start seeing what

648
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: interests are and what's valuable and what's more important in life,

649
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: then you can start grasping shit. But man, thirty some years, man,

650
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: you couldn't have talked. I didn't know. I didn't know.

651
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to be a great father, perfect father.

652
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: You learn, and you just hope that you know in

653
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: due time that you know your kids. If you have

654
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: older kids and you've had any bad situations or whatever,

655
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: you know they you know, cause my daughter told me

656
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: that one time. It probably was hard as fuck when

657
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: you were growing up to be a dad.

658
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna tell you, Man, shout out

659
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: to my daddy, man, and he wouldn't. I understand my

660
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: father a lot more today than I did back in

661
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: the day, right, You know, we go through the little phases, man,

662
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: where we mad at our pops about some stuff they

663
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: may have did. But I look at it now and

664
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: I say, you know what, man, he did the best

665
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: he could, right, right, he did the best he could.

666
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: And I think, man, we learn as we go along.

667
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I say, Man, my oldest son, Stepan, definitely probably got

668
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: the short end of the stick because I was young

669
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: when I had him, and I was still trying to

670
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: chase it. I was still trying to, like you said,

671
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: you was out there trying to chase you a tour,

672
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: get to the bag. Because we always taught that money

673
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: is the thing, right, But the thing is, it ain't

674
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: a bought money. Dogs. You know, you need money to

675
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: pay your bills and this and that. But your kid

676
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: needs your time and he needs your you know, he

677
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: needs you around him, right, he.

678
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: Needs We didn't understand that because because if your father

679
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: didn't teach you that, where was you gonna learn it from?

680
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: You?

681
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Feel me exactly? My mom was a single that lit.

682
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: She was a single mother. So while she was out

683
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: there working and doing all, there was no man figure

684
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: to show me how to be a perfect man. You

685
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: get me, and then there's no such thing. There's no

686
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: such thing as a perfect man. It's it's it's you're

687
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: you're not. You're gonna make mistakes, and trust me, I

688
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: made a lot of them, but you got to learn

689
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: from shit. Like you said, my father had a great

690
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: motherfucking job, was in the navy all of that shit.

691
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: But was he was he an everyday father to where

692
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: I could come home and my dad was taking me

693
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: to the park and all of that shit. No, he

694
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: moved out of state. He did what he had to do. Shit,

695
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: the nigga was probably thirty miles away. And that's just

696
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: that's just what it was. You know, did I ever?

697
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: Did I ever?

698
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Like? Oh fuck that you didn't?

699
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: You know, you was running around here doing whatever, and

700
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: you didn't raise me right, And you know I had

701
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: to go through gang banging and jail a few times

702
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: and whatever whatever, And No, that was my that was

703
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: my motherfucking that was my path, That was my destiny,

704
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: as so to speak. I had to find my own way,

705
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: you feel me. My dad wasn't didn't know nothing about

706
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: no gang banging and and and all of that, but bullshit.

707
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: And that was the path that I took, you feel me,

708
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: that I chose to take Again, I wasn't no fucking dummy,

709
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 3: you getting me. I just wasn't wanting dummy you get

710
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: in And no disrespect to uneducated men, young men who

711
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: you know couldn't read or write or do none of that,

712
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: because you had a lot of cases of that shit. Also,

713
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: but you know, my mom did the best she could.

714
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: You then, I wasn't a dummy in school. I was

715
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: very chcate. I knew ABC's in one, two threes, English, nowns, pronouns, plurals, singulars,

716
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: and fucking you know, division and all. I wasn't a dummy.

717
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: I got good grades in school, but I was more

718
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: infatuated with what I.

719
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: Saw outside of the school walls.

720
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, you was a product of your environment, Bro, I

721
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: think we are products of our environment.

722
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: Right.

723
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: It's like you you want to say, right, do you

724
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: want to say? Do you want to say?

725
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: We had choices? Though? Did you have a choice to

726
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: take the path you took?

727
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Man? I think I had people. I think I had people,

728
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: bro that came into my life and helped me, like

729
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: I had Coach Hubbert that helped me give me a

730
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: certain kind of But if I wouldn't have had those folks, man,

731
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd have had a choice, because

732
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're gonna be around the homies,

733
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: and that they selling dope and getting to the money

734
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: made you probably go join them. I mean, yeah, you know,

735
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: say that you have a choice. I don't think I

736
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: they may have.

737
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a choice, like everybody. You want to say

738
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: everybody got a choice? Right.

739
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: Nobody put a gun up to my head and told

740
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: me I start a gang, banging, selling dope and going

741
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: that route.

742
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: Right.

743
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: Nobody told me I had to become MC eight and

744
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: this rapper rapping about the depressions of living where I

745
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: was living in police brutality and and just just the

746
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: steps I had to take?

747
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: Did did did? Did my mom sign me up for

748
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 2: football as a young kid? Yes?

749
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: I played a few years. Did I know how to

750
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: read a book in school? And know how to you

751
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: know two plus two is four four minus four?

752
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? Did I get decent grades in school

753
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: as a young kid? You know?

754
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: Five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, I'm coming

755
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: home with a's and d's because I thought that's what

756
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: you did. I thought if you didn't come home with

757
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: good grades, you're gonna get your ass beat. That's just

758
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: that was just it. I was naive until a certain

759
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 3: until you reach a certain age. We all are, right,

760
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 3: we all are naive until we reach a certain age.

761
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 3: And then once you reach.

762
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: A like I was saying, man, we was talking about

763
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: we was talking about like our days, right and our

764
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: fathers if we had, if they was the greatest examples

765
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I think, Man, One of the things I was telling

766
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: somebody the other day is this, you have a lot

767
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: of white folks man that really feel like we complain

768
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot and when we they think everything should be

769
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: just all honky dory right now as black people, man,

770
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: we just being really just I would say, we just

771
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: missed like like it's like a gap in our history,

772
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: like so much. So like this's like your father's father

773
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: probably did him the same way he did you, Right,

774
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. I don't think they had

775
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: the greatest examples of what father should be. Like I

776
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: listened with my pops went through and he went through

777
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff. He was probably a better

778
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: father to meet and his father was to him, but

779
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: he still loved his daddy, right, right, I.

780
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: Mean that's what we was.

781
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: I mean, that's uh, that's how you were basically, Uh,

782
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: I guess talked or handed down.

783
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: Right, fatherhood is supposed to be rough.

784
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: You get me, especially coming from if you knowing what

785
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: they had to endure as as young men. You get me,

786
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 3: like you said, this is this twenty twenty six, right,

787
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what fatherhood or could you imagine what

788
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: life was for your grandfather with his father? Can you

789
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 3: imagine that life? That's what I'm saying, because my grandfather,

790
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: get your not even your dad, imagine your dad's dad

791
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: with his father.

792
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 2: I'm saying that ship was probably motherfucker.

793
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: We're probably talking about slavery at that point because my

794
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: grandfather living exactly, we're probably talking about slavery. You probably

795
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: talked about a dude that probably just wasn't even there

796
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: half the time, that probably got shipped off somewhere else, right, right,

797
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: So they get kind of like it's like, man, it's

798
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: almost like getting how you live and tell you like

799
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: you hear you what. It just makes something happen. You

800
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: feel me.

801
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: Well, you would hope over over generations that fatherhood has

802
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: changed dramatic, drastically, especially with our race of black men.

803
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: But you know, like you said, from those slave times

804
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: to when you had a grandfather, life was hard.

805
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: You get me.

806
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: And even if it wasn't hard, it was hard. It

807
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: was hard life raising a family. You know back then,

808
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: you know a lot of families were you know large,

809
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: you know, eight eight sisters, three brothers, you know that

810
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 3: type of shit. So can you imagine, like you said,

811
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: your grandfather trying to teach your dad how to be

812
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: a good dad. Was that even? Was that even after

813
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: thought around that time? You get me like, or I'm

814
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: gonna educate I'm gonna educate Norman's dad to be a

815
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: great father to Norm. So when he has Norman one day,

816
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: he's gonna be this perfect dad. Now your ground, Your

817
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: grandfather was a probably a drinking whooping a motherfucker's ass. Motherfucker.

818
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 3: I do what I do to keep a roof over

819
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: your fucking head. I don't have no my grandfather on there.

820
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't have no poiners on being a poster board

821
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: for the perfect black man. You get me like, no, nigga,

822
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: i'm aa whoop ass, I'm ana kick ass. Probably gonna

823
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: be physical, Probably is gonna be some child abuse and

824
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: some and some mama abuse and some shit talking, and

825
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: you probably won't see me.

826
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: For some months or two or three. Yeah, and that's

827
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: how and that's how it was. What you just said

828
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: right there to tell y'all was he would disappear sometimes,

829
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: and he whooped ass and probably had a whole nother

830
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: family a mythis somewhere.

831
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: So, like I said, they didn't have no rule book

832
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: to you know, of what life was gonna be like

833
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: a hundred years down the road, and hoping that these

834
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: mishaps that we have had to it's just like you say,

835
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: like we went through this shit, so y'all wouldn't have

836
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: to that sort of mentality.

837
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: Right, I went through.

838
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: I went through get my ass beaten kicked, and I

839
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: whooped your dad's ass and beat his ass and kicked

840
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: his ass and whatever with your grandmom and whatever whatever,

841
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: so that maybe motherfuckers would go this ain't the way

842
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be. And hopefully down the line, Norman

843
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: is gonna turn into the father that we all wish

844
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: we could have been in different times and eras. Right,

845
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: but no, but once you had sons, you had to

846
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: teach yourself and and and like you said, it's unfortunately

847
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: I started off with a kid. I wasn't the best.

848
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: I didn't have a handbook. So, like you said, Stephan

849
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: suffered some because I didn't have a handbook. But by

850
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: the time I was here, I said, but I wasn't here,

851
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: and you different than me because you had a woman

852
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: and a child, and you had Maria and whatever. I

853
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: didn't have that, you feel me. I had kids, with

854
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: with with with with uh, with with with with with

855
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: my walking with my children's mothers, and I didn't. I

856
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: didn't have that sense of family like at least at

857
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: least once you had Stepan, you and Maria had decided.

858
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: You know, even though it was a rocky ship, I didn't.

859
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. I didn't I didn't do so. So

860
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: even though you didn't have the handbook, you were still starting.

861
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: There was a lot of us who didn't take that route.

862
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: A lot of us was fucking having kids by by

863
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: by young women and not knowing or not being educated

864
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: or taught how to be a good man to our children.

865
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: You know, we were on this, We were on that

866
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: spectrum of well, bitch, if you ain't giving me no

867
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: more pussy, I don't want to be around. Or if

868
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 3: the woman decided she didn't want to fuck with you

869
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: no more and she wanted to fuck with another nigga.

870
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: Then you weren't able, you weren't allowed.

871
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: To see the kid, or you know, you had to

872
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: go through the conflict of now your baby no more,

873
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 3: or your broad is fucking an enemy or another nigga

874
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: from another set that hat. You know, those those were

875
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: different turns, you know, back then. So it just took

876
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: a lot, man, And not to make excuses because you know,

877
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: you have kids, you should just be responsible or you

878
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: know sometimes ship you're fucking with them up. Yeah, you

879
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: be fucking with a female and she doesn't even want

880
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: to tell you that you you're the father of the kid.

881
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: You feel that because how often does that happen?

882
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Where that happens a lot, you know, you know, you know,

883
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: and and and not too you know.

884
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 3: And that's a different story. That's a different story at

885
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: a different time when we got some more time. But

886
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: you know, you know, who knows what female's choices or

887
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 3: what they were being handed, you know, with of having

888
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: to deal with being a single mother and dealing with

889
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: those times of of of trying to transition and find

890
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: a father and you just want a good nigga for

891
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: your kids or whatever. And a lot of niggas was

892
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 3: just you know, trying to run through bitches and ship.

893
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: So it was it's a lot. It's a lot that

894
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: you have to deal with.

895
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: So you know, I get it, like when you say,

896
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: you know it's kid and you know you tried to

897
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: be an influence and now he's in prison, face and life,

898
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: and you know, it's unfortunate that it's it's still around

899
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: because like you said, we still got prisons, right, we

900
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: still got niggas in the hood. They have no they

901
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: have no problem with filling those spaces.

902
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: You feel me with a lot of us, and.

903
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: It's almost like, and that's why I tell people, man,

904
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: before we before we go, is that it's still not

905
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: all good.

906
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: Man.

907
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: It's still a massive curse in slavery, man, because you

908
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: got these generations and you go back far enough, it's

909
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: like it's always been the family dynamic, and slavery has

910
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: been the family. Slavery fucked up the family dynamic for

911
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: Black America.

912
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: Before we get out of here, I'm gonna say one

913
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: thing about the regular nigga right, because it was some

914
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: shit going around. Well, it was that Shining Sharp and

915
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: the other dude, I don't know what the dude dame is.

916
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Young Bird, Young Bird hit maker.

917
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: You call hit maker now still? Then you say he

918
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: used to man.

919
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: Hit Maker was getting robbed every five minutes. You heard

920
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: about young Bird getting robbed. Somebody taking that. Niggas change

921
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: young birds all up before. He's not getting this Erys

922
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: next again, exactly. I just want to say this to

923
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: the average nigga. Don't never feel like you have to be.

924
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: A different motherfucker to feel inadequate on this earth. And

925
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: that's what whatever you do. I wanted to play football.

926
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: I didn't play no fucking football, you get me. God

927
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: gave me the ability to write songs. That's what I do.

928
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: Niggas like Shining Sharp, they gave him the ability. God

929
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: gave him the ability to play football. Right, Shannon Sharp

930
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: lives in the big house. And I'm sure young whoever,

931
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: whatever you you've done pretty well for yourself with being

932
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 3: able to have the gift of making music.

933
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: Right.

934
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: But to say that you know a certain criteria of

935
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: nigga is only valuable to a certain criteria. Everybody got

936
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: their favorites, right, Everybody got what they want. I don't

937
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: make a billion dollars a year, right. My people is

938
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: cool with me. They're good with what I do. I

939
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 3: don't have to make another record, and I could be

940
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: an average nigga and I could go start long mowing

941
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: the lawn for the local high school. Right, m It's

942
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: not going to make a per feel like I'm inadequate

943
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: for them.

944
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: They make the statement.

945
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: That if you're in a certain bracket of finances, then

946
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be appreciated or accepted. There's a lot of

947
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: normal motherfuckers in this world. There still are, and it's

948
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: okay to be normal. So because you have the ability

949
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 3: to trick off all your money on a couple of bitches,

950
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: that's fine. And because you deal with a criterer of

951
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: a woman who expects you know, you know, the first

952
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: class seats and six hundred dollars meals and shit like,

953
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: and that's fine if you value that, and that's what

954
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: you value. But I know a lot of regular motherfuckers today, right,

955
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: your wife, Your wife goes to work every day. I

956
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: know a lot of women that work regular jobs and

957
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: they're not out looking for now. Of course, it would

958
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: be nice too, and that's for anyone, right, anybody in

959
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: a relationship, and I'm gonna say niggas included. Everybody would

960
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 3: feel a little better if their finances were better off, right,

961
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: But everybody on the planet can't be millionaires, right. It

962
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: just don't work like that, right, It just don't work

963
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 3: like that. Some niggas got to go to work at

964
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: Spectrum in install cable. Some niggas got to go to

965
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: the ore refinery and get the oiel and whatever. Right,

966
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: some niggas got to.

967
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: Do door dash or or traffic controller.

968
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: Or your male man, or the nigga who pick up

969
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: your trash every week. Or you know, there's some regular

970
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: people that's still living on this planet. Right, And when

971
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 3: you see them and their families and they have two

972
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 3: and three kids, and they're riding in the regular car

973
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 3: and they're walking in their regular single family home, they

974
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: feel that their life is complete and it's great and

975
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: they don't quest for games. So don't feel like you

976
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: gotta be one of these dumb adequate niggas who feel

977
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: like bitches only want a trick on it, because yeah,

978
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: if a bitch can trick with a nigga who's ready

979
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: to spend all his money, then of course that's what

980
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: she gonna say she wants.

981
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: Right.

982
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: Well, the thing was man with them dudes. Them dudes

983
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: both got little self esteem because they feel like if

984
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: they don't have what they have, won't no woman want them.

985
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: That's because they probably just lame ass niggas on the surf.

986
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: They just lame ass niggas in good positions. That's what

987
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: you gotta three.

988
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: So if you feel you got to pay for conversation

989
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: or you whatever, whatever, and no disrespect to women or ladies.

990
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: You know, if you feel a nigga need to spend

991
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: a million dollars on your plate, or you feel a

992
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: nigga gotta spend one hundred thousand dollars on your draws

993
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, whatever, to each his own. But there are

994
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: some There are normal people out in the world, and

995
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: there are people there and couples, and you know there's

996
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: someone for everyone. That statement, So niggas don't feel it

997
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: inadequate because you got some niggas who's sitting on a

998
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars telling you that I trick with the

999
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: best of them, and ain't no woman gonna want no

1000
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: nigga who ain't worth this or worth that. Nigga, Yo,

1001
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: if you your gift of gab and the way you

1002
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: approaching motherfucker and your personality and the way you speak

1003
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: is how you should get a motherfucker because you see.

1004
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: It every day.

1005
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: Now you have one hundred million today and then tomorrow

1006
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: you can have zero million, you know. So where's the

1007
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: person gonna stand with you when you got it all

1008
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: and then you fall?

1009
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: That's real spill man. And on that note, we out

1010
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: of here. We can highlight s y'all next week.

1011
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1012
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

1013
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,440
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1014
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1017
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,120
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1018
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1019
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1020
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,720
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