WEBVTT - #403 Packers Unscripted: Division rivals, special induction 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:20.520 Yeah, hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.800 I am Mike Spofford, rejoined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.560 He was out of the office on assignment and that's 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.240 something we will eventually reveal as time goes on, but 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.280 we have to keep it under wraps for now exactly 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.720 what you were working on. But in the meantime, West 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.320 John Coon sat down with me here on our last 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.519 show to recap the Packers drafted. An excellent job. I 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.600 really appreciated his insights. Before we move on to some 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.160 other topics, just want to get your overall thoughts on 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.080 this two thousand nineteen draft for the Packers, which ended 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.760 up with an eight player draft class. Yeah. I liked it. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.120 I liked the kind of balance of it. I think 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.560 if you and I three months ago would have said 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.680 what are the big needs for the Packers, I think 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.960 a lot of people would have said it was edge rusher. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:05.800 A lot of people would have mentioned the tight end 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.280 position and obviously getting some more depth on the offensive line. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.720 They addressed all of that throughout the free agent process 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.120 and also the draft. I thought going into Day three 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.560 they only had four picks, but I like the fact 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.880 they were also able to get the safety Darnell Savage. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.480 I think there's a lot of people out there that 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.000 would agree that that was the top safety in this draft, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.640 if not the top defensive back pound for pound in 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.000 this year's draft. I like his speed, I like everything 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.280 he brings to the table, and to be able to 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.640 add some really intriguing prospects. When you look at Rashan Gary, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.000 when you look at Um, you know Elton Jenkins, a 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.119 guy that has a lot of flexibility, could potentially fill 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.520 a lot of different holes for them. I know it's 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.160 such a cliche to talk about how a team gets better. Theoretically, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.040 all thirty two teams are going to get better after 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.440 an NFL draft, but I just feel like this where 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.280 I wanted to see this roster get deeper going into 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.800 offseason program and more specifically training camp. I feel like 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.160 the Packers achieved that. Yeah, I think they did too, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.080 and we're gonna get an up close look at this 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.600 draft class for the first time this weekend. The Rookie 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.640 Mini Camp will be taking place here at lambeau Field 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.079 and across the street at the Don Hudson Center. So 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.960 next week, after getting a chance to talk to some 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.799 of these draft picks. Will We'll get some more insights there. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.280 But the other thing I want to move on to 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.640 is taking a look at the Packers biggest rivals in 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.079 the NFC North and exactly what they did in the 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.800 draft and your impressions there. We can start with the 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.520 Detroit Lions because they had the highest pick of any 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.120 NFC More team. They were at eight overall in the 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.160 first round. They took t J. Hockenson, the tight end 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.640 out of Iowa, which, um that selection might have been 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.080 the worst kept secret in the entire draft. There was 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.960 probably ninety five point six percent of all mock drafts 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.760 had t J. Hockinson going to Detroit at number eight, 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.560 and that's exactly how it played out. There are other 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.079 top pick, Um, I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly, Jelam 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.919 to Vay, a linebacker from Hawaii. I admit I don't 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.240 really know anything about him, and I admit I don't 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.800 know if you pronounced that correct. Yeah. But um so 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.800 the Lions getting another weapon for Matthew Stafford on offense 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.600 and seemingly continuing to build their defense through the linebacker 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.640 position with to Bai joining Gerard Davis and a couple 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.040 of other young guys that Detroit has been building at 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.320 at that spot. Yeah. I have no idea who Tobay is, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.600 and I assume he's going to go on and have 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.360 a nice little career as a second round pick. I 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.360 wish him well. I want to focus more on Hockinson. Sure, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.480 because so many times, Michael, you and I would come 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.040 on this show, we do insider Inbox and we basically 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.360 tell fans for all intensive purposes, you know nothing about 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.160 how to draft NFL players. Hockinson's probably exception to that. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.320 I think that that was a no brainer for the Lions. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.320 I don't think you need to be a guy that's 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.600 been in the NFL for twenty five years to understand 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.840 not only was that the best fit for Detroit at 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.880 that spot, that was the best pick they could make 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.680 at that spot. Hogginson has is probably is highly touted 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.680 as well rounded as a tight end prospect that I 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.400 can recall in the last fifteen years. I was trying 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.280 to think about it. Maybe Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis is 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.440 Vernon dave Us is the other one that comes to mind, 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.760 And I guess another one I think who was pretty 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.640 highly touted, but his career didn't work out really for 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.680 more off the field reasons. But Kellen Winslow Jr. Was 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.760 another guy coming out that had a lot of hype. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.320 But I think Vernon Davis is maybe the best comparable 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.480 here just because of all the well rounded nous as 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.479 you said, the blocking and the receiving and and and 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.120 let's face it, I mean, you look at the last 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.839 couple of years for the Detroit Lions. Calvin Johnson retired, 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.320 they traded Golden Tate. Now, nothing against Marvin Jones Jr. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.719 And Kenny Golladay, but you need to get another weapon 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.520 for Matthew Stafford. And this was a position that of 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.120 dire need for the Lions skill position wise, this was 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.320 the best weapon this draft had to offer. And the 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.400 other thing I like about Hockinson too, as opposed to Winslow, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.400 and even to some extent, as opposed to Vernon Davis, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.200 who had to work through some maturity issues in his 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.320 formative years. Sure, Hockinson seems like a really well polished 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.279 young man. He seems like he checked all the boxes 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.400 in terms of professionalism and has everything you look for 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.840 in a tight end you can really build your offense around. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.880 He's going to be the best friend for Stafford and 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.960 unfortunately for the Packers weapon that they're gonna have to 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.400 take into account moving forward. But for my money, eighth 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.040 pick overall, it just made a lot of sense for 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.760 them to go that direction. One other guy just down 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.400 the road to keep an eye on for the Lions. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.520 They also drafted in the middle rounds Austin Bryant, a 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.200 defensive end from Clemson. Now, this Clemson defense had four 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.560 players drafted in the top forty picks, I believe of 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.480 the draft now, Bryant was sort of the extra guy 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.640 who had to wait a while, and he was drafted 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.080 in the middle rounds. And with the there's been so 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.360 much change over on that Lions defensive line from what 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.080 we remember of the the Endomic and Sue Days and 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.599 Nick Fairley and and those guys. So I think he's 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.880 one to potentially keep an eye on down the road. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.400 Thought it was a really good value pick. I know 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.240 I'm jumping over you there, but that was the one 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.920 out of their entire draft class other than Hockinson that 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.960 stepped out to me. I just felt like when you 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.320 look at Clemson and how strong that defensive line was, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.680 and we got to know them a little bit at 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.640 the NFL scouting combine, getting a feel for all their personalities, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.520 all of their various skills. Brian isn't going to get 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.560 the same kind of notoriety of those guys taken in 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.120 the first round, yeah, Wilkins and Lawrence. But he's a 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.279 good rotational hand. I think he's going to add some 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:05.680 death for them, and we'll see what he can offer 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.080 as a pass rusher down the line. Yeah, alright. Moving 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:12.200 on to the Minnesota Vikings, they end up taking a center, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.240 Garrett Bradberry out of North Carolina State with their first 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.039 round pick. I believe he was eighteenth overall. They had 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.919 in another offensive lineman in the fourth round, Drew Semiah 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:27.160 out of Oklahoma. Coincidentally, yeah, well, and coincidentally, that Minnesota 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.280 pick was originally one of the Packers fourth round picks 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.360 that was traded to Seattle, and then Seattle traded it 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.800 to Minnesota. And then the other kind of big name 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.279 they got in between there, the tight end from Alabama 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.720 or Smith Jr. So um NFC North kind of loading 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.200 up on tight ends. The Packers get Ja Sternberger, the 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.520 Vikings get IRV Smith Jr. And the Lions get Hawkins. Absolutely, Wait, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.719 what is that? What's that? All the Vikings just made 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.280 their last pick. I didn't realize that they I think 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.920 I just heard them. Yep, they have their all their 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.640 their draft classes done, All twelve picks are made. What 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.800 long weekend for the beat writers covering the Minnesota Vikings. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.880 I can't believe it. A good friend of ours, Kim 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.160 at Polito, now works out there. She was an intern 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.880 for US, got hired full time out there starting, extremely 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.800 talented young lady. I felt for her on that Saturday 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.600 with all the picks that they ended up acquiring in 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.240 this draft, and I got to be perfectly honest with you, Mike, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.160 I think Rick Spielman did a really good job with 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.120 this draft class. For me, these were a lot of 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.520 names that I recognize. I thought brad Berry was a 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.600 perfect perfect pick for them in the first round. They 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.520 needed to get that center spot taking care of Here's 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.360 my question, though, are does that mean they're moving Pat 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.760 elf Line to guard because hasn't he been there their 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.360 center well for so many years? Um, it was the 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.400 guy out of Michigan Tech. What is his name? I'm 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.800 trying to remember it? Off to uh, No, not John Sullivan. No, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.760 maybe it was well, whatever the case, Maybe I don't 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.240 want to look like too much of an idiot here, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.280 but brad Berry does give them a lot of versatility inside. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.280 I'm not sure what their plans are for these guys. Well, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.800 I see how everything works out, because they spent a 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.120 fairly high pick on elf line to be there, to 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.200 be their center a couple of years. I'm assuming somebody's 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.520 playing guard there. Yeah. I don't know what their plan is, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.200 but the selection of Bradbury was enough for the Viking 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.320 social media account to talk about how excited Kirk Cousins 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.680 is going to be about this young man snapping the 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.440 ball to him. So we'll figure out how it goes there. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.400 IRV Smith Jr. Fifth What would end up in the 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:25.280 eighteenth pick of the second round. Overall, really good value 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.320 pick for them, I think as well. Um, you know, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.680 Kyle Rudolph has been a staple that offense for years 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.840 to come. They're probably starting to look towards the future there. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.079 I like Samia getting to know him a little bit. Uh, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.880 there's some questions about exactly where he's gonna fit in 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.360 the NFL um how natural it is for him to 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.960 carry that much weight. But that's a question that's gonna 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.000 be answered. And then again getting back to what you 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.760 said about the Lions. I don't know how to pronounce 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.320 this guy's name, but the tackle lot of Elon that 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.240 really I think he did get an invite to the 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.280 combine was a huge just a big, massive dude that 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.840 a lot of people think are going to be able 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.200 to make that transition. The Vikings have liked bet on 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.920 big bodies with their offensive line, and they get another 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.000 one with I think it's udo well. I think all 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.760 of the focus in the off season for the Vikings 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.080 has been talking about that offensive line, and you just 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.920 you look at you look at the track record. The 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.160 Vikings win the NFC North in in twent sixteen. They 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.080 start the season five and oh, but their offensive line 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.400 falls apart, mostly due to injuries, and they they fall 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.400 off the map inteen and can't make the playoffs despite 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.200 starting five and oh. Then in seventeen they make some 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.360 free agent signings, they get that offensive line short up, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.520 they get all the way to the NFC Championship Game. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:37.920 Then they have problems on the offensive line again in 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.960 twenty eighteen and they end up eight seven and one, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.960 and they missed the playoffs. Again. They're in this this 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.520 back and forth, you know, one year in, one year 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.840 out as far as the post season is concerned, and 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.160 it always seems to hinge on the performance of those 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.800 guys up front on offense because they keep changing quarterbacks. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.560 They've had solid receivers, they've keep changing running backs. But 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.240 it's when the offensive line isn't up to snow, so 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.840 to speak, that the Vikings struggle. Yeah, the Vikings, but 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.520 based on one thing I'm reading too, it sounds like 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.880 they haven't committed anything, but the logical move would be 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.400 elf line moving to left guard. So well, but you're 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.640 right with all the changes with as deep as their 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.520 defense has been, as much as many skill position players 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.000 that they brought it in the quarterback obviously with cousins 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.280 Um offensive line has been the common threat in terms 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.839 of their weak spot here over the last six, seven, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.360 eight years for the most parts. So they're trying to 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.319 get more stability with that. They addressed it in the 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.120 first round. If you take an interior alignment in the 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.880 first round, it signifies that you need to make a change. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.439 That doesn't happen with every team every year. So we'll 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.600 see if Bradberry can be the fit for them, all right. Well, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.240 also in the NFC North, then you have the Chicago Bears. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.640 Now they did not have a first or second round 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.880 pick in this draft because of trades they've made. And 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.200 I don't remember which picks were involved in which trades, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.240 but the Khalil Mack trade, it's Traubinsky trade. The Bears 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.760 have have spent some of their top draft capital. But 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.960 then they actually end up trading up in the third 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.480 round for their first selection of this draft, and they 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.440 get Iowa State running back David Montgomery. And boy, you 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.600 hear the talk coming out of Chicago. Now, they signed 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.480 Mike Davis from Seattle. They have Trek Cohen as you know, 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.840 sort of your scat back change a pace guy. You 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.319 hear what's coming out of Chicago. It's like Montgomery is 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.320 getting thrown in there. It's gonna get twenty carries a 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.800 game all of a sudden as a rookie. I don't 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.280 know if that's how it's gonna play out, but they're 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.400 excited about this. You know. The thing that's scary about 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.480 it too. I could totally see him getting twenty touches 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.520 a game. I also could see Cohen getting ten touches 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.560 a game. And then you also, as you mentioned, Mike 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.840 Davis has kind of rebounded with his career and become 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.560 a pretty good bell cow back when they need him 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.960 to be. This offense is going to run through the 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.719 running backs. It's going to run through the middle of 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.320 the field. I think we've really seen that. They've been 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.880 very upfront about that in recent years. And I'll say 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.640 this right now, Mike, if you're gonna make your first 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.680 pick at number seventy three in the third round, you 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.959 could do a lot worse than David Montgomery. This is 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.080 a really versatile player. You and I talked about it. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.280 I mean, Packer fans made jokes about it. If the 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.480 Packers would draft him, could they throw number eighty eight 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.120 on him too? Just because of the multitude of things 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.360 that he can do. I really liked the idea of 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.559 having Montgomery and Cohen in the backfield. I think that's 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.760 something that's gonna give defenses a lot of trouble. At 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.800 the same time, this is all hinged on Mitchell Troubisky, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.040 and it's also hinged on the fact that this defense 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.040 can be the same type of unit it was last 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.720 season with really no new parts and a new defensive 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.720 coordinator taking over. Yeah, and another name just to keep 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.720 an eye on down the road again for the Bears, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.760 Calvin Ridley's younger brother. I believe it is it pronounced 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.680 Cavin Ridley, Kevin Cavin. I don't he spells at Calvin 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.600 without the L. I'm not sure how it's pronounced. But 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.160 wide receiver out of Georgia was taken in the fourth 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.439 round by the Bears. And he's the younger brother of 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.720 Calvin Ridley, who was the first round draft pick and 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.520 had a big rookie year for the Atlanta Falcons. So 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.880 does he go by Riley? Maybe that that's his middle name, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.000 So yeah, he goes he goes by Riley. When I 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.280 looked up the name, I saw his first name is 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.880 actually Calvin without the L. Yeah, so yeah, I knew 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.840 him as Riley. A lot of people in the draft 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.679 process for him as that another really talented kid, pretty 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.920 much the same size as as uh, you know, Calvin. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.120 For the most part, We'll see what he can do. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.600 I mean, the Bears have made some significant changes with 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.880 the receiver position in recent years. Um. Again, this is 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.760 another guy that gets added too. That fold, and I 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.559 know there were a lot of people out there that 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.000 felt more comfortable with them taking him in the fourth 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.240 round than last year when they took the receiver out 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.400 of Memphis. So Anthony trying to remember his last name, Yeah, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.800 but Anthony Miller, Anthony Miller out of Memphis. So a 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.520 lot of people very high on this pick. Again, like 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.560 I said, I think if you're gonna miss those first 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.240 two rounds, the two skille position players that they ended 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.800 up with, you know I'd be pretty happy with that. Yeah, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.760 all right. 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Official sup partner of the 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.679 Green Bay Packers. Okay, one other topic. I want to 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.960 get to here West before our week is out. Ted Thompson, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.960 former Packers general manager, is being inducted this weekend, Saturday 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.800 night in a ceremony here at Lambaufield being inducted into 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.840 the Packers Hall of Fame. Um. Certainly a well deserving 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.240 and a no brainer type of honor for the architect 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.160 of the Packers Super Bowl forty five roster. Um. I'm 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.240 gonna put you on the spot here. Okay. In his 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.600 drafts as general manager of the Packers, how many Pro 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.880 Bowlers did Ted Thompson draft? Do you know the number? 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 I looked them all up while you were gone. I'm 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:57.000 gonna not quite. I'll read them off here. Um. Two 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.440 thousand five. Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins two thousand six, Jay Hawk, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.920 Greg Jennings two thousand eight, Jordy Nelson, Josh Sitton two 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.680 thousand nine, B. J. Rodger, Clay Matthews, T. J. Lang 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.800 two thousand eleven, Randall cob two thousand twelve, Mike Daniels, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.960 Eddie Lacy, David back tr haha, Clinton Dicks, and Davante Adams. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.840 Now that number is fifteen and potentially counting because Kenny Clark, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.120 I think that's the guy who's headed to a Pro 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.800 Bowl someday. And guys like Blake Martinez, Kevin King, Aaron 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.600 Jones certainly have that potential in their future as well. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.800 But I'm gonna put you on the spot again because 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.560 I did well. This is this is what I this 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.120 is what I get to do when you're out of town. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.400 All right. Three other players Ted Thompson acquired as general 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.320 manager of the Packers, not draft picks, went to their 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.440 first Pro Bowl as members of the Packers. So I'm 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.080 not talking about the Julius Peppers and Charles Woodson's and 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.760 those guys. Three players acquired by Thompson, not draft picks, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.720 who went to their first Pro Bowl as Packers. Can 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.600 you name all three? Man? I don't know if I 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.200 can name one off the top of my head. To 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.240 two of them are undrafted players and one Sam Shields 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.560 would be one of them. Two undrafted players ended up 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.280 making Pro Bowls, Oh Truman Williams. Williams and then the 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.080 other is the waiver claim John Coon. There sitting in 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.360 the seat. I'm still a little foggy, like we'll explain 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.600 here in about a month about you know, why I 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.880 was gone and the lack of my sleep deprivation over 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.280 the last three days four days. But you're right, I mean, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.880 those are three great picks. And I want to just 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.120 quickly talk about Truman Williams for a second. You want 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.720 to talk about a guy. Uh this came up a 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.000 few years ago, probably about four or five, six years 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.520 ago now when we're talking, I think it was Gary 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.760 Kubiak about Williams is actually probably six years ago. And 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.960 the fact that the Texans cut him, they had signed 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.000 him as an unrestricted or undrafted free agent, and then 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.440 he comes to Green Bay, makes the practice squad, and 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.680 then a year later ends up becoming the player he did. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.640 It takes some serious skills to not only find those players, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.320 but find a spot for them on the fifty three 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.600 roster to give him a chance to show what they 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.760 can do. That's a pretty good let. It's funny when 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.080 you mentioned the Pro Bowlers. You get so far into 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.760 this thing you sometimes forget that Sam Shields Tremont Williams 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.639 were picked over two or fifty six times and end 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.520 up having the careers that yeah they yeah, they ended 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.960 up not being they ended up not being draft picks. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.800 But I think it'll be a neat ceremony. Um not 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.760 very often. It's only in special cases where there's only 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.120 one individual who's inducted into the Packers Hall of Fame 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.800 in a given year. They did it obviously for Brett Farve. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.440 They'd also did it for Mike Holmgren people like that 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.840 in recent years. And Ted Thompson getting that sort of 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.080 recognition here with his induction into the Packers Hall of Fame, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.160 it should be should be an interesting night. It sounds 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.000 like he's being introduced by Mike Reinfeldt, who a former 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.240 Packers executive who was I believe, um not just a 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.919 teammate but also a roommate of Ted Thompson's with the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.520 Houston Oilers. When you know, back in the day, both 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.600 of those guys making their way in their young NFL careers, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.320 they've known each other for a long time and they 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.679 both carved out, you know, careers as NFL executives that 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.800 have been are impressive. Yeah, And I mean when you 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.760 look back on the totality of Ted Thompson's resume, when 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.760 you factor in Seattle what he did out there building 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.880 a Super Bowl contending team there as well. It's it's 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.440 an extensive list, and it's fun when you go back 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.200 and realize where this whole thing started. You know, Ron 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.119 Wolf kind of given him that foot in the door. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.760 I mean, I think he was what in like sales 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.800 or something like that. Don't remember his eye for talent, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.720 his conviction. I've actually even gotten into a kind of 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.920 a scuffle with some people on Twitter in recent days. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.800 I don't think I think it's very few times. I 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.239 probably would say it's less than one hand as far 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.119 as the most difficult decisions and NFL executives had to 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.960 make in this league's history, than what he did staying 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.880 true to his convictions, saying, you know what, we are 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.600 going to press forward Aaron Rodgers as our quarterback. When 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.120