WEBVTT - Inner Dialogues, Monologues and Stone Cold Silence 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:07.680 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.440 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.159 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:21.040 should know, where the inner voices in your head. It 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.680 turns out, no, good job, Chuck, good job, you got this. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:25.680 You got this. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.200 So what you're engaged in, Chuck, is called private speech. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.280 Oh you're so stupid. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.440 That's still private good job. As long as we can 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.280 hear you, and you're talking to yourself. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.640 Yes, I get it now, sure saying it out loud, 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.200 which means it's not the inner monologue or dialogue. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.160 No, I'm always heard it called the inner monologue too, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:54.240 or internal monologue. But Anna helped us out with this, right, yeah, 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:59.000 Ana g. She points out that inner monologue is a 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:03.360 pretty limiting term because that voice in your head, the 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.360 way that you talk to yourself, it can take all 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.080 sorts of different shapes rather than you having a conversation 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.840 beating yourself up quietly, those are kind of the keys 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.479 to what we would call inner speech, or the people 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.800 who research it would call it inner speech. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.559 Yeah, or inner voice. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.360 And it turns out this is kind of a tough 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.040 one in some ways, because it's like I imagine Ana 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.800 was up against it because there are many, many, many, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.680 many facets to this and it can serve a lot 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.840 of different purposes. It's very common, but also some people 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.440 don't have it. Yeah, we can look at brain scans 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.959 and say like, hey, this is lighting up. But it's like, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.440 it's also really hard to study and get a consensus 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.760 on because a lot of it is self reported as 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.440 far as when people do it, and why people do it, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.920 and what function it could serve or doesn't serve, and 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.920 if you don't have one, what does that mean. So 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.440 there's just a lot of different avenues and it's tough 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.160 to kind of make this a real tidy package. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.760 Yeah, and it's really impressive that people are figuring out 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.639 how to research this at all. It's a definitely developing field. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.600 It's not established quite yet, so it's kind of the 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.040 wild West in a lot of ways as far as 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.600 you know psychology goes. But one of the reasons why 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.600 it's fairly new is because people forever just thought like 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.480 there are such things as inner voices, will never be 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.880 able to study them because they are the definition of 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.520 subjective and like you said, self reported tests are how 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.400 they had studied them before, and that's just not super reliable. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.840 William James, the father of American psychology, he had to 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.520 quote a paraphrase, I mean basically said, like trying to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.320 study something like inner speech is like turning up the 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.480 lights to get a good look at what the dark 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.080 looks like. You can't do it, was the end of 0:02:59.120 --> 0:02:59.680 his speech. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.520 Yeah, oh boy, that makes a lot of sense, it does. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.239 I've heard another one too that I love. Studying consciousness 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.280 is like trying to use a flashlight to find the shadows. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.760 Oh, I got one too. Okay, youth is wasted on 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:15.160 the young. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.640 Oh that's a good one. That's a good one too. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.600 What was spuds? Mackenzie? Party? Animal? Two words? That's all 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:24.200 you need to know. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.920 Yeah, this is just a tough one because there's so 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.079 many little nuggets to uncover. Like after I had done 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.000 all the research and I was kind of like, all right, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.120 let's go do this, I was like, wait, wait a minute, though, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.920 Like when my grandfather had a stroke when I was 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.240 a kid, he had a phasia, which is some stroke 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.720 patients you know, can't you know they're talking, but they're 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.080 not saying the words that you. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.000 Understand, right. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:47.600 It was like, I wonder what's going on in their 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.600 head and what that has to do with your inner voice. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.160 And I saw some things that said like, nope, your 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.560 are it completely disturbs your inner voice as well, and 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.200 then another other studies it said, no, your inner speech 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.560 can be preserve herbed relative to the spoken language if 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.000 you have a phasia. So it's just it can be frustrating, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.720 but it's also I shouldn't look at it that way 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.279 and just think of it as like just super fascinating 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.960 and maybe you know, we don't always have all the answers. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.960 Yeah, that's a great way put I think. Another way 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.479 to say it is we don't understand it, so those 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.200 listening to this episode aren't going to understand it by 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:22.040 the end of it either. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:22.920 Well. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.880 Yeah, and just in the case of the stroke thing 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.839 with my grandfather, I remember very specifically being a kid 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.200 and seeing the frustration and thinking as a ten year 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.320 old like he in his head, he's saying what he's 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.680 trying to say, right, Like I can tell because he's 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.480 getting really frustrated that it's coming out as something that 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.240 is unintelligible to us. But you know, all these years later, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:44.880 I got two answers. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.800 Yeah, there you go, full circle, I guess in that sense. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.800 Yes, not a very satisfying one. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.480 But yeah, so so, like we said, inner monologue is 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.760 a little too limiting, we don't want to use that. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.520 Inner speech is way better. And inner speech is actually 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.000 a little limiting, as we'll see too. But it turns 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.400 out there's a lot of things that our inner speech does. Besides, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:12.080 like you demonstrated beating yourself up, it can be used 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.480 to motivate. It's a good one. You kind of did 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:15.360 that at first. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.160 Right, Yeah, I think that was That was good, Chuck. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:25.680 Right. We use it for memorizing things, problem solving, We 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.560 used it to regulate ourselves, like, okay, Chuck, don't be 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.960 mean to yourself all down. Yeah, that kind of stuff. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.560 But again not out loud, and then even more not 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.880 me saying it, because dude, if your voice in your 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.960 head was my voice, oh man, I would be so 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:42.960 sorry for you. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.320 I dream as you. Is that weird? 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.800 That's a little weird. I'd like to hear more about 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:49.760 that though later on. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.360 Now I'm just joking. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.320 There have been plenty of people that have studied this, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.240 so and you know, we're going to talk about some 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.880 of these people here and there. That was a pair 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:04.960 of researchers in twenty eleven, Simon McCarthy Jones and Charles 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:06.080 Fernie Howe. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.880 Maybe Fernie Hoe is what I saw. I heard, Yeah, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.240 like Tally Ho exactly, but Fernie right. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.360 They developed to survey and where they kind of categorize 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.919 different varieties of inner speech, and their survey was called 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.039 the VISC the Varieties of Inner Speech Questionnaire y I SQ. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.599 And they also, along with others, have other categories and 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.240 we're kind of just gonna go through these now. But 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.760 one can be dialogic, which means you're like you're having 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.799 a back and forth with yourself. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.120 Or others. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.839 I asked Emily if I could talk about this because 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:49.400 she talks out loud, which I guess isn't quite the 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.520 same thing, but she'll I'll see her talking to herself 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.560 sometimes having a conversation with someone much more common when 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.560 she was having frustrations with her business, talking like out loud. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.680 To people, but it would be in her head. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.680 But then I would also see her talking out loud, 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.400 and I'll walk into her room and say are you 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.880 talking to and she'd tell me in but that's dialogic 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.119 because there's some someone else involved, even if that someone 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.000 else is another you. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.160 Right, what you can't see is the giant, furry purple 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.280 monster with googly eyes and a tiki drink. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:20.960 Oh man, that'd be great. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:27.440 So, yeah, dialogic seems to be fairly fairly common too. Yeah, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:33.480 there's also condensed inner speech. That's it's kind of like 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.840 a different form of so this. Okay, here's one of 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.520 the things that I had trouble with, Chuck. Let me 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.680 just be forth right here these there's not any neat 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.840 package of this kind, this kind, and this kind, and 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.640 then there's this sub kind of this kind and this 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.880 kind and this kind. No one's put it together like that, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.280 so it's a little confusing. So, for example, dialogic inner speech, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.280 you'd think that the next thing would be monologic or 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.559 something like that. That's not here. Instead, we're talking about 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:06.960 condensed inner speech, which is using like abbreviations or like 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.960 just words rather than full sentences. And that this is 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.920 a way that you speak to yourself in a very 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.960 private manner that you would probably never use to speak 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.520 out loud. It's just the kind of shorthand that you 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.720 use for yourself doesn't fit this list at all, and 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:23.800 yet here we are. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:24.920 Yeah. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.280 And as example for that is, you know you're leaving 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.800 the house and you know phone, keys, wallet in your head, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:30.640 that kind of thing. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.640 Right, But at the same time, you could be having 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.640 a conversation with somebody about your own case, wallet, so 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.520 it would be dialogic condensed inner speech drives me nuts. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.120 Yeah, I see your point other people as another one. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.040 That's when your voice, not when you're speaking to someone else, 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.760 but when it takes on the voice of someone else. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.840 It could be Abraham Lincoln, it could be Josh Clark. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.640 And that's when you're imagining a conversation with someone else, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.319 where your own inner voice sounds like someone else. Is 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.880 different than like Emily having a conversation with another person. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.000 Right for sure, Like you're the bystander. Basically there's two 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.720 people talking. There's a did you see that Guardian article 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.480 about the that included the woman whose inner voice was 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:23.280 a like a stereotypical Italian couple fighting arguing, so interesting 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.520 and that's how she works stuff out. Like the wife 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.360 would be like, no, she needs to quit her job 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.840 and follow her dreams, and the husband would be like no, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.120 she's got a good job. She needs to keep her 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.959 feet on the ground, and like eventually one would win 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.000 the argument and then that's what she would do. That's 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.600 what that lady's inner voice is. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:46.480 Like, Yeah, it's very fascinating. One can be motivational or 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.640 a value to either you know, am I doing a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:49.280 good job here? 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.360 Or do a good job? 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.480 They found that, you know, with like sports performance and 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.200 any kind of like public speaking or any kind of 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.640 performative thing. You know, that inner voice pumping you up 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.280 can lead to real results, usually good. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.439 Yeah, and I saw that that was kind of expanded 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.080 or changed. You're kind of cutt into sub categories later 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:14.160 on or at some point. There's evaluative critical, which is 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.280 basically like you know, did I do a good job 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.040 or why didn't you get one hundred percent? That kind 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.800 of thing. Yeah, there's also positive regulatory, which kind of 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.840 ties into what you were just saying, Like if you 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:33.000 imagine yourself, you know, doing really well practicing shooting baskets, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.920 there's some part of you that could be like keep 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.640 up the hard work and you'll be in the MBA 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.200 in no time. Where you did a great job, like 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.320 those would fall under positive regulatory. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.280 When I play basketball, all I hear in my head 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.080 is what I hear on the court, which is swish. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.400 Oh nice, I was gonna say. I was waiting for 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.120 you to say brick, because that's what I hear. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.000 Ruby expressed interest in playing basketball the other day, and 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.720 I had a hard time containing myself. I was like, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.600 you know, that's the only sport I was actually pretty 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.360 good at. Like I can actually teach you something here. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:05.360 That's awesome, man. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.880 But I didn't want to say it too positively because 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.559 then she'd be like, yeah, maybe not. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:11.960 Very smart boy. You know what you're doing. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.600 Don't to I'm working on it. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:19.160 Another is prompted no, no, no, I'm sorry expanded speech, which 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.480 is like if you have to have a tough conversation 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.040 with someone and you're literally kind of just rehearsing that 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.560 in your head as one or both. That is like 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.679 when you're speaking not in any kind of abbreviate, abbreviated way. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.760 Yeah, it's the opposite of condensed speech, like you're thinking 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.760 in or hearing in your inner voice the exact words, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.640 with the phonetics and the grammar and everything that you 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:44.680 would say out. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.439 Loud, right, Which that got me on a side track 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.080 of like, Oh, that's like, why do people when you 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:53.800 hear your voice played on a recording? 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.680 Why does that sound different? It's just has anything to 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:56.080 do with that. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.280 And I just had to park that because that gets 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.280 into a whole other thing, which should probably. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.480 Be a shorty, the efference copy. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.079 No, no, no, like when I listen to a podcast 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.000 of us, like, why does your voice never match when 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.720 you hear it out loud as it does in your 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:12.160 own brain? 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.880 I think your efference copy probably no. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.480 It has to do with like the way your skull reverberates. Oh, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 really actual physical stuff. But I think that could be 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:20.960 a shorty. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.920 Reverberating Skull is a great album name. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.760 It is, and we'll get to efference copy later on it. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.040 I clearly can't wait. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:29.320 Yeah, it's good stuff. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.600 There's now we reach a point of the list where 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.520 coherence starts to emerge. We've got like basically like a 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.640 one and then the opposite. I don't know why I 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.679 just put it so confusingly, So let's just start. There's 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:46.360 elicited or prompted, which is inner speech that's basically triggered 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.400 by some external factor. Someone comes along and says, here's 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:55.280 some pictures of different stuff, pick out the ones who's 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.320 named rhyme. So you've got to write a boot and 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.280 then I don't know, a foot or something like that. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.360 Like you would pick out the boot and the foot, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:08.440 and depending on how liberally they were with their their judgments, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.800 they would say, yes, that rhymes. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.040 Yeah, but it's a prompt from an outside source, right, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.839 whereas the next one, which logically follows thankfully pristine or spontaneous. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.679 That was Russell hurl Bert, kind of a mouthful researcher 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:28.240 that coined this one. That is that's just unprompted, spontaneous, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.800 and it's a part of what makes us us. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.880 Yes, Like that is your genuine true inner voice. Sometimes 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.200 it just comes out of nowhere, sometimes when you just 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.559 are talking to yourself and don't even realize you're talking 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.320 to yourself in your head. Like that's what Herbert Herlbert 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.920 calls pristine. And there's this really great Aon article about 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.760 your inner voice that was written by Phil Jacole j A. E. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:56.560 K L. And Phil points out, I'm hopefully hoping I can. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.200 We're on first name basis, me and Phil. But he 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.240 points out that this is leading psychologists to be like, oh, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.000 my god, oh my god. If we can study pristine 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:12.040 inner voices, like that's essentially like the external, the exterior 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.120 of the unconscious, and we would be tapping into people's 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.320 unconscious and other people are like, I think Fernio is like, whoa, whoa. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.040 Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, Let's just kind 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.760 of take this one step at a time. Old Ferniho, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.120 that's what he's known nas. They call him the breaks. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.240 That's right and well, except when he gets excited about 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:35.720 something then he yells out Fernie hoo. Maybe before we break, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.800 we should talk about these other four because that visc 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.920 is still they've been revising it over the years and 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.680 it's still in use for some researchers. But in twenty 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.880 fifteen there was another researcher name what a great name, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:57.000 mal Gorzada a Polchaska wasl wasil wasel. Maybe they were like, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.880 all right, let's categorize it by emotional types, and these 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.360 are the faithful friend, which has a nice ring to it. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.120 That's like your personal strength, positive feelings about yourself. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:08.000 You're a neighborer. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:09.240 Yeah. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.520 The ambivalent parent, which is awful otherwise known as gen 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.720 X parent, associated with strength and love and caring criticism. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.080 So wait a minute, is it the parent of a 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.640 gen xer or a gen x er as a parent. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:24.360 I'm confused. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.160 I would say the parent. I mean, weren't most of 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.920 our parents fairly ambivalent about us? 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.120 Yeah? I would think so. Sure, It's like, oh, this. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.120 Is weird because associated with strength, love and caring criticism, right, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:37.200 that's not ambivalent. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.640 So here is another problem with this field. People are 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.960 naming stuff just way off. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.680 Yeah, wily way off. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.640 That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And it's hard to 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.280 remember and understand this stuff if the pieces don't fit 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.280 together because they're dripping, you know what I mean. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.560 That's gross. Yeah, but it's true. I know. What about 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.440 the others emotionally ticking proud rival? 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.520 Okay, And then there's one that was initially called calm optivist, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.960 but Pulchasca Waizl did a follow up study testing to 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.400 see if her initial results were confirmed, and faithful friend, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.360 ambivalent parent, and proud rival were all there again in 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.360 the second one, but optimist didn't show up, so she 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.440 ended up replacing that with something called helpless child, which 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.400 apparently is probably the worst of the worst. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.280 All right, that's a lot. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.880 It is, It was a lot. Do you understand this anymore? 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.440 Sort of okay, good, well, we're making headway, Chuck. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.400 All right, well we'll take a break and see if 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.720 we can rain this puppy in right after this. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.000 Uh okay, Chuck. So, one of the things we're talking 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:10.359 about with inner speech is it's easy to kind of 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.399 confuse it with like say, private speech, where you're actually 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.920 talking out loud yourself somebody could hear it. But one 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.280 of the big differences with inner speech and verbal speech 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.760 is that it's just faster. I guess allegedly for some people. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.159 It's not for me. Mine goes very slow and actually 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.760 slows me down. It's like it goes slow. Yeah, the 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.960 part of me that has to process the words slows 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.560 down the speed that I could conceivably go at. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:38.280 Okay, it's just. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.320 Yeah, it's it's like old erniho. It just kind of 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.320 puts the brake on everything. But normally, if you compare 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.199 the two, it should be much faster, just because a 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.959 lot of times you're using condensed speech, which you know 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.359 again is you're just using shorthand that you can understand. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.000 I think that's where I get tripped up. I don't 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.600 really do that. And then like physical physiologically, it's just 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.760 you can think a lot faster than you can speak 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.200 because you're not moving your mouth, You're not like taking 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.439 a breath or anything like that. It's just supposedly faster. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:11.359 Is yours faster? 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:12.960 Yeah? For sure. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.800 There was one person, a researcher who actually endeavored to 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.080 find out how fast that can get. This is in 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.720 nineteen ninety and they found that some participants in the 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.879 study could think more than four thousand words a minute. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.480 And you know, just for context, the world record for 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.080 fastest out loud talker as a Canadian guy who went 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.359 to six hundred and fifty five words per minute. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:37.560 So this is wow. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.480 Basically you can think up to six times faster than 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.120 the fastest talker on the planet. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.000 Yeah, that's at least twice as much. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.880 Yeah, I actually did the math. It's roughly six. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.480 Was that the guy from the uh dunkin Donuts commercials 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:52.600 or the FedEx commercials in. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:53.359 They at now? 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.280 It's unfortunately just some I mean, hey, I love this guy. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.000 It's been a knock him down. His name is Sean Shannon. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.720 He's a Canadian guy who who did the to be 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.399 or not to be soliloqually in twenty three point eight seconds. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.119 Wow, well it goes sean. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.520 You can't understand anything he's saying, but he can't have 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.720 judges you know that are like, yeah, he's still saying 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.400 those words. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.440 So I guess then we reach another question, how does 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.280 inner speech develop? Which apparently when they started figuring this 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.399 out thanks to a guy named Lev by Gotsky who 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.280 will meet in a second, it completely changed our understanding 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.040 of children, because up to this point it was like, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.400 do kids learn first and then or does their brain 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.800 develop and then they learn first? Or do they learn 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.320 first by did they develop their brain by learning? Clearly 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.760 I did neither at some point. Right, you can kind 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.639 of get the gist of what I was saying. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.760 Yeah, I thought this was super interesting. Child development is 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.520 just fascinating to me, like going through it now, like 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.560 more than ever obviously, but for most kids. And by 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.600 the way, this Lev that got Ski he said we 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.080 would meet you know what, let's just spring them and 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:03.760 come on in love. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.119 Hey I'm dead, yeah exactly. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.600 This is in the nineteen thirties, so he has left 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.600 us earthwise, but a lot of this has been born 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.080 out in modern research. But in the thirties he was 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:22.000 looking at like, basically, it starts out as private speech, 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.560 like kids saying things out loud to themselves. And you know, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.399 first they start talking just to communicate like I'm hungry, 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.600 I need to whatever, go to sleep. Actually kids never 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.080 say that, I want to stay up right, and you know, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.680 that's just social communication. But then as they get older, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.199 they start sort of privately talking to themselves as an 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:48.320 internal motivator. And then eventually that I think around that's 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.480 between like three and four, and then around six or 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.840 seven is when kids take that private voice inside their 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.240 head and that's when the inner monologue kicks off more or. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.879