WEBVTT - #391 - Isaac Pelayo 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.880 My name is Isaac Palau. Check me out on the 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:03.640 Botlet kV podcast. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.119 Yo Boutlet cav podcast. Man special guests in here. My 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:14.440 guy Isaac Paleo is in the building. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.120 Thanks for having me. For people who don't know, this 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:21.640 guy is an incredible artist, incredible painter. You've seen his works. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.800 If you are a fan of Griselda, would you say 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.960 that your because you have like a signature style, it's 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.800 like it is it realism with your own twist, because 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.960 I don't I know that there's like, you know, words 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.479 for certain styles of painting. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.920 Well, the foundation of my work is definitely realism. It's 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:46.199 a figurative, but in the last like I don't know, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:51.080 four or five years of it, introducing more street contemporary 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:56.279 modern stuff towards you know, mixing it with the realism. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.800 Like you'll have like a real like like some realism 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:00.800 and then like the smiley face. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's part of like you know, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.240 that's a spin of contemporary mixing with the classical realism 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.959 that I do. I do a lot of Renaissance type 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.399 of imagery or religious iconography, and I'll mix out with 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.600 some street shit, you know, it's mixing it with maybe 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.800 some spray paint, oil pastels, kind of introducing a new 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.600 element to it, giving some layered depth and texture. That's 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.640 that's been in recent years though, But the foundation of 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.920 my work is definitely realism. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.959 How long have you been a full time artist? 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.600 I would say since since the beginning of twenty twenty. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.200 That's when you were like, all in, Yeah, there was there, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.480 you are you're making money before twenty twenty. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.640 Though, yeah, for sure, but twenty twenty was like that 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.760 was the pivoting moment. That's when things really cracked off. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.920 Was that because because obviously for people who don't know you, uh, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.960 if you have seen any of these paintings that you've done, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.280 there's like the third eye and yeah, it's kind of 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.880 like a signature Isaac thing, right, And we were just 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.799 talking you just dropped the Tupac print. How long would 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:13.400 you do that painting? 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.800 I did that painting January of twenty seventeen. That was 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.880 the first piece that I did incorporating a third eye, 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.680 and it kind of like started. I ended up doing 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.839 a whole series based off of it because it became 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.760 really copy and then so I did a whole show 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.080 a whole body of work surrounding that didn't think it 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:35.880 was going to take off as much as it did. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:41.680 But you know, when West picked up the concept, it 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.079 really blew up Westside Gun. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.000 For people who don't know, ye yeah, yeah, the Westside 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.560 Gun saw that painting and then just contacted you. And 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.280 you know, he's got this condo in Phoenix that's just 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.080 like a little art museum. It's got so many of 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.320 your pieces in it. Yeah. Man, I've been at Buffalo 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.760 to the store and your stuff's in there. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.280 Yeah, he's got a gang of my shift. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.000 For how many paintings has he got off you? 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.640 Probably worth of thirty now, damn, yeah, he's probably he's 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.960 got a lot. He's got a few sculptures, a couple 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.160 of small pieces, a ton of prints for. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.440 You, Like uh, you know, like I feel like when 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:16.960 you when you do something like the Third I think 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:18.760 you didn't know obviously that it was going to change 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.880 change things for you. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.040 No, not at all. It's funny because I get I 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.400 talk about that situation quite a bit, and still to 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.880 this day, I had no idea. I was just so 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.960 The story the way it goes is, I was in 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.839 college in Vegas and I dropped out to UNLV. Yeah, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.760 I was going to UNLV. I was technically studying art, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.560 but you know I lived right by UNLV. Their art 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.040 programs are assa. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.800 I lived off of a damn like right by the 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.200 Blueberry Hill restaurant off of Trop Okay, I was on 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.240 that was on Flamingo and it was over there somewhere 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:59.200 shout outs of Vegas. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.960 You're you're more like northern, You're like more northern, right 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:03.920 north northeast. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:05.760 I was not. I was like right behind you and LV. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.440 So I was like Flamingo, like right by Blueberryhill, that restaurant. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:10.080 It's like I was. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.840 I was. I was living in south though, like like 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:16.559 Moore Henderson. Okay, I lived on Eastern and Sunset Okay. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.400 It was right across the Straight from mccaren. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:19.640 Yeah. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.240 When it was mccaren, I think they call it something else. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.640 Now I think it's still mccaron no, because I try 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.000 to look it up really and it's like some other name. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.800 Yeah, you were going to school for art, which is 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.680 a weird thing. I feel like when people say I 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.320 go to school for. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.400 Art, I'm like, really, I was majoring in fine art, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.520 but when I got there, I quickly realized that their 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.520 art programs aren't really shit, you know, they got it. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.680 Was like a hustle, yeah, not a purposeful hustle. But 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.000 there's certain people when they say that they like this 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.720 is their major. I'm like, I mean, do you want 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.159 to be an artist? Because are they going to teach 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.599 you how to be? Like like I might teach you 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.760 like technique or like history or something, but like I 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.599 feel like you either got the sauce or you don't. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.320 Yeah, you know, I I wasn't even planning on going 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.839 to school. I wanted to go to Pasady and Art Center. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.840 That's where most people aspire to go to when they 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.919 want to learn, you know, more contemporary stuff kind of 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:17.560 further and expand their horizons. But I went to please 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.919 you know, my excess parents, my parents, and it was 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.880 just I just sort of fell into it. I was like, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.200 all right, fuck it, I guess I'm going to go 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.320 to school. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.320 You know, I could my schoolt everybody up still kind 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:29.880 of do what I want. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.080 Got the little college experience. But you know, when I 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.239 got to when I when I started going to school, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:41.200 I was already really proficient in drawing. My portraits in 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.320 pencil were already pretty realistic. And I already had a 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:49.479 sense of a backstory to my work. And you know, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.120 I had taken art history in high school, and I 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.600 already I felt like I was already I had already 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.120 built a solid foundation as as an you know, young art. Ye, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.400 I already had a style. I was already drawing pretty good. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.560 I'd already been exhibiting my work. I mean, I started 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.159 exhibiting my work when I was ten, So by the 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.919 time I was eighteen, you were already great. Yeah, I 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.599 mean I wouldn't say great. I just already had almost 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.679 a ten year head start. So I felt like school 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.520 was just kind of unnecessary. I already knew what I wanted. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:27.680 I already knew where I was for the most part headed. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.240 I just figured, you know, ifuck it, maybe i'll, I 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.719 don't know, maybe I'll learned the business side. I should 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.320 have studied business management or maybe even you know, theater, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.640 because you know, I was doing acting too, so I 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.320 probably would have benefited. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:41.440 More from that. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.560 But yeah, I was there for about two years. I 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.120 dropped out, and when I dropped out, I started painting. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.920 I wasn't painting, yeah, because that's always you'll see people 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.240 who are really get at drawing and then they end 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.560 up getting into painting or tattooing. Yeah, and I'm always like, yo, 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.440 that feels like such a far thing to be good 0:06:59.440 --> 0:06:59.680 at that. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.040 And then like, cause it's different tools, Like. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.120 Yeah, it's a different way of making art, that's for sure. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:10.360 But you know, my dad's a pretty well known artist 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.400 too in the LA community, and his work is some 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.120 of the real the most incredible pencil realism I've seen. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.840 Would I would argue he's one of the best pencil 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.960 artists that I've ever seen. Yeah, So by the time 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.080 I was eighteen, I was already drawing pretty close to 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.240 that level where we would exhibit our work together side 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.320 by side, and people would mistake my work for his work, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.520 and I would kind of fall into the shadows. And 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.760 so I already knew then that I wanted to veer 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.400 off and do you know something different that made me 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.320 stand out so that I had my own identity, And 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.720 then painting seemed like the right fit. And luckily, you know, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.680 I did. Because it was the right fit. It was 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:59.200 able to create big work, work that people responded to. People. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.040 It's so hard to sell pencil drawings. People respond more 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.280 to paintings, the detection. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.800 If someone's gonna spend money on something, Yeah, spend money 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:09.320 on painting. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:15.200 There aren't pencil drawings that, you know, are as coveted 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.240 as paintings are. You know, if you look at the 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.240 history of of the auction houses and all the pieces 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.080 of art that has ever sold for the most amount 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.320 of money, it's all paintings or sculptures. Drawings they fall 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.400 short of it. You know. There's some drawings, I mean, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.559 if you're fucking da Vincian, you got like one. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.880 If you're if you're that name and you're this is 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.160 a da Vinci hand hand drawn thing. People are gonna 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.120 spend money on that. Yeah, too many? You know, that's priceless. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.119 But yeah, pencil drawings aren't. They're really hard. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.840 To sell in the in the in our world. So 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.600 I knew, you know, painting was definitely my calling when 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.800 I and I honestly it was pretty natural. I started painting, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.520 picked up a bunch of cheap tools from fucking Michaels 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.200 I think, and just started painting my I painted it 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.800 every day for a whole fucking year. Wow, And that 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:08.080 was like my four year college experience on my own. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.800 Right now, I painted every day with Bob Ross playing 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.320 in the background, and that was like I had like 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.960 it was like a you know, eight ten years practice 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:23.600 smashed into one one year. So after one full year, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.440 I painted all every day of twenty sixteen, and then 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.880 January twenty seventeen, I decided to paint the Poc portrait. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.880 I had always wanted to do a portrait of Tupac. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.000 That's one of my idols growing up, one of my 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.280 inspirations because I do music too, so as someone that was, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.280 you know, a lyricist enthusiast, That's someone that I've always admired, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.520 and I wanted to do a portrait of him that 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.720 was different from everything else that I'd seen. My dad had, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.920 you know, had done a few portrait of Tupac that 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.000 I felt were fucking beautiful. I was like, I wanted 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.920 to do something that competed. And it didn't dawn on 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.040 me right away to do a third eye. That just 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.040 happened midway. I was already halfway into painting it, and 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.880 I was at the time I was going through it 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.800 through a lot of shit with my parents, with my ex, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.240 I was struggling, dropped out of college. I was, you know, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.400 doing tattoos on the side to pay rent selling a 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:19.680 couple of. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:20.959 So you were doing tattoos too. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.920 I've been doing tattoos since I was fifteen. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.479 Oh shit, okay, yeah. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.360 So, and I started doing that when I lived in Texas. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.120 I just picked that shit up randomly, So you know, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:34.000 I was doing that as a side hustle and selling drawings, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.160 doing commissions on the side, and working, you know, some 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.600 part time jobs fucking asked doing like maintenance or hustling. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.040 That's work, fucking retail. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:43.000 Yeah. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.760 So dude, at one point, I had, like I got 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.000 hired on it, like three different retail places at once. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.920 It was like fucking bed Bath and Beyond Cohle's and 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.520 fucking guess work. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.079 Did you work all three at the same time or 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:56.800 did you just pick like a ship, which one do 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:57.120 I go to? 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.079 Well, I did the training for each one, and I think. 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:01.520 I get paid off the training, right, Yeah. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.560 I just collected like two three fucking weeks of pay 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.200 and I just was like, all right, I'm out, Like 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.560 they were all like what the fuck? Like, Yeah, so 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:09.600 I did that before. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.800 Yeah, call centers. I used to do that, call centers. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.520 I get the call center job and just do the 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:13.960 training and. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:15.920 Quick, yeah, it was just onto the next one. It 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.920 was pretty easy for me to get hired. I would 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.640 I would apply to like thirty fucking places at once 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.320 get Pick, which you know, all backs, and then I 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.360 worked at Guests and Steve Madden for a cool minute 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.040 and then and then left that ship too. So yeah, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.559 you know, I was I was doing a bunch of 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.040 side hustles just to pay rent and to support my 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.679 my you know, and like my painting journey, because that 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.120 shit ain't cheap. You know, can. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.920 Imagine supplies, paint brushes, canvases are not canvases are what 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.240 like twenty five bucks? 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.880 Oh no, dude, they go for yeah, I mean if 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.240 you're buying small canvases. But my yeah, my large canvases 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.920 are like two hundred bucks, especially when it's quality stuff. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:54.719 And right, I. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.800 Paint on wood panels, so it's a little more. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.080 Because like you could probably get like a cheap canvas 0:11:59.120 --> 0:11:59.839 at Michael's and. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.040 Yeah, but you could tell the difference. In art, it's 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:08.040 important to use good ship. Like I'm always impressed by 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.360 people trying to make good art with cheap equipment, you know, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.640 cheap brushes, cheap paint, that stuff matters, you know. I 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.000 remember I was, I was using that stuff, and then 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.040 when I started buying more expensive brushes, more expensive paint. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.120 I really noticed the difference. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.080 Oh dude, it's like the comparison I suppose is like 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:33.800 microphone exactly, you know, using analog equipment versus like you 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.160 know this, doallshit and then and then having like good 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.840 like good good quality ship and then you you really 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.560 can see it in the work. So yeah, for a year, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.360 you know, I painted every day, was using a bunch 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.040 of cheap shit, started you know, immediately selling work. It 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.160 was crazy because I had started selling paintings right away, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:55.560 like way quickly. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.120 How much were they going for your first ones? 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.520 I want to say. The first painting that I had 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:07.559 exhibited was a portrait of a skull with a sombrero, 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.679 and I had shown it at one of my dad's events, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.000 a Day of the Dead events. Sold it for like 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.320 five hundred bucks, and that was like the most I 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.440 had ever sold a piece for in a gallery setting. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.439 Because before you're doing the pencil stuff. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.679 I was doing pencil stuff that was going for you know, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.080 two three hundred dollars and it was easy, it was 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.800 it was easy to move those because they were so affordable. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.160 But then the paintings completely switched it up for me 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.079 because you know, it was it was quickly seeing how 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.280 they were going. And within art, you know, it's people 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.800 always ask me like, how do you a praise a work? 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.959 How do you determine what work costs? I mean, I've 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.840 been exhibiting my work since I was ten, so you know, 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.640 I built my work up to what it is now 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.520 at a very like early short priced stage. Yeah, where 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.839 my work was going for you know, one hundred, two hundred, 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.240 and every year it just goes up. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.600 Well, it's also just like whatever someone's willing to pay, 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.120 right that. Sometimes you see a piece of art. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.079 And you're like, I mean, yeah, at the end of 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.520 the day, art is really worth nothing, but to some 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.720 people it's worth everything. So yeah, it's worth what anybody's 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.199 willing to pay. But I'm talking about you know, in 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.080 in the gallery setting on a secondary market. You know, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.800 someone buys your work and resells it. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.880 So do people do that a lot with your stuff? 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:25.640 They'll buy and flip. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.360 Yeah, mostly with the prince, not not so with your 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:29.800 Well you. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.960 Know what, I see that too, because those Griselda fans, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.880 they love buying and flipping ship Man. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.680 The Prey for Paris Joint that I did. You know 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.120 that print went for one hundred bucks and it's sunny 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.000 eBay for like three grandjeesu. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.560 So you know, it's how many prints did you do? Well? 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.160 Whenever I do ship with Wes, it's you know, it's 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.760 really up to him. I mean, well, it's it's really 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.200 his choice. I have very say, like very little say 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.960 in what he does. You know, at the first you 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.080 ship that we did together, it was it was an 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.720 addition of one hundred and then he quickly started doing 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.120 editions of one eighty seven makes sense on brand, so 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.800 you know, and I think it only recently he started 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.640 doing like two hundred and fifty, you know with the 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.600 with the Virgil stuff and the roll out with and 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.920 then you pray for me. But yeah, I mean that 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.840 that that piece was extremely popular and you know it's 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.360 going for you know, I mean so much more than 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.200 what it actually. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.120 I wondered like when you and like because obviously Westside 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.000 Guns got so much to do with like giving you exposure. Yeah, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.080 do you like charge him if he wants a piece? Yeah? 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.800 For Thomas bro pays. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.240 Okay, Okay, you know, I don't know. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.160 Yeah, big broke. He pays. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:49.200 You know. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.880 I think my relationship with Wes Is is a unique one. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:59.200 And I think after the first year, you know, we 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.480 we did stuff to other. I think it quickly became 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.960 more family base than anything. It became tighter than I 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.160 had expected. And you know, whenever we do shit, it's 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.280 I don't we don't even talk numbers, you know. He 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.520 He'll text me, you know, and I ney this by yesterday. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.680 I'm like, all right, I'm on it, and the numbers 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.720 will be you know, we'll figure out the numbers later. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.720 With everybody, with anybody else's it's different, you know what 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.160 I'm saying, because obviously Wes's you know, my doctor Gray. 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.800 I mean, like that's my you know, he put me 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.480 on for sure. And I'll always keep that relationship like 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.400 that because I feel like I owe it to him 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.560 to just you know, I mean, whatever he needs, he 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.800 knows I'm there. So but yeah, I mean, it's crazy 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.560 how that that relationship even you know, came about. Like 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.880 I said, after that first year of painting, I did 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.080 that portrait of Park third, I think cracked off. And 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.680 then some of my homeboys who grew up with Diddy's 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.560 kids hit me up and they're like, yo, you should 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.480 do a portrait of Biggie and we'll move it to Puff. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.040 So I did a portrait of big I was at 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.320 the time, I was living in Vegas. I fucking drove 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.720 four hours just to drop that shit off in Homby 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:10.560 Hills at Diddy's crib. So that was, you know, a 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:11.879 stamp of approval. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:13.680 So Diddy bought the Biggie painting. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.720 It's a little trickier than that, you know, I'm saying. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.800 I actually never even met Diddy. A lot of people 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.560 think it was like that. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.119 Is it hung up at his house somewhere? 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.520 Yeah, No, for sure, it's it's it's hung in his 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.000 studio in Hombie Hills. What the crazy shit is that? 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.119 You know? I never met Diddy, but he has posted 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.679 that fucking painting so many times. I mean that that 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.280 painting is hung in the recording studio in his house. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.640 A lot of people have recorded in there. 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:40.760 So many people in the background. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.760 So many people have posted my painting on Instagram. I 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.800 remember Joey Badass was like raving about it. You know, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.879 this one was kind of this kind of sentimental. But 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.479 when Nipsey was working on Victory Lap. There's a picture 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.960 he posted with him and Puffs side by side and 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.280 you see my Biggie portrait in the background, and I 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.720 was like, damn. I was like, I felt like my 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.040 spirit was there a little bit during that process. And 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.800 I never got to meet dude, and I would have 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.359 loved to because you know that was one of my Well. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.840 That's going to be one of your paintings. Eventually you 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.880 got to do the nip one man. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.280 Oh well, I did a Nipsey portrait a while back 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.080 for the Real Street Fest. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.639 Oh I was posting that, Yeah, I was. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.959 I it was it was like I had a friend 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.520 who knew the people over at A was it fifteen 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.040 hundred sound? Is that what it is or fifteen hundred 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:30.680 sound Academy? 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.359 Oh yeah, fifteen dred nothing guys. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.320 Yeah yeah, and it's like George Pine. Yeah yeah. So 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.239 they had a thing going on with like Fender, and 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.760 I had did a portrait nip to put on display 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.840 at their booth. So I had that. That was the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.680 only portrait I did of them. But you know, I'm 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:52.639 not really big into doing like dead celebrities. I really 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.359 only do that shit if it's if it at the 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.320 opportunity makes sense if someone's commissioning it, I won't just 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.040 I did that already. I did that so much early 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.119 on that I realized I didn't want to base my 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.320 identity off of painting dead celebrities. It's not I'm not. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.600 You've got you've done like shit, Josh Allen. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.760 Yeah, you know that's that's on West. You know, that's 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.000 like Wes's curation and what he wants. But I won't 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.600 do that consciously. I've only done it a couple of times, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.240 and and if I do it, that's because it really 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:22.720 means a lot to me to do it. You know, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.639 I wanted to build my career off of my own ship. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.439 I wanted to build my my art career off of 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.600 an original style of work versus being you know that 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.560