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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast Wednesday. Everybody is here.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show gets started right now.

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Speaker 1: Much discussed.

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Speaker 2: We have some updates on the Israel Hamas war. The

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Speaker 2: IDF has entered the largest hospital in Gaza, the Al

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Speaker 2: Shifa Hospital, because it has terrorists and terror tunnel networks

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Speaker 2: underneath it.

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Speaker 1: That will bring you updates on that as we can.

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Speaker 2: Plus, a massive march yesterday almost three hundred thousand people

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Speaker 2: was the estimate that I see that I've seen, and

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Speaker 2: that happened in support of the Jewish people in condemnation

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Speaker 2: of anti Semitism. We shall discuss that head. The FBI

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Speaker 2: is down on Capitol Hill talking about threats of the

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Speaker 2: homeland with DHS's majorcus as well, so you get the

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Speaker 2: FBI boss, the DHS boss. They're getting grilled. Will bring

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Speaker 2: you the most important moments from those exchanges. We talked

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Speaker 2: to you yesterday about the just absolutely horrific beating of

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Speaker 2: a seventeen year old to death in Las Vegas. There

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Speaker 2: have been eight arrests now for murder, so we have

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Speaker 2: an update for you on that one. Clann I will

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Speaker 2: talk to you. More about that later on in the program. Plus,

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Speaker 2: on the legal front, some updates on the Georgia case

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Speaker 2: against Trump, as well as the Michigan effort, or the

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Speaker 2: effort in the state of Michigan to take Trump off

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Speaker 2: the ballot. We've got new stories on those fronts as well.

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Speaker 2: But what's really making a lot of waves right now,

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Speaker 2: taking us into the GOP primary here for a moment,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley, whom we have invited on the show and

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Speaker 2: are hoping to get on in the days ahead, hopefully

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Speaker 2: not weeks, but days ahead. We have asked our team

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Speaker 2: for to come on. We've got a lot of things

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Speaker 2: we want to ask her. Might even keep her for

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Speaker 2: two segments. I mean, there's a bunch of areas to

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Speaker 2: hit with her. But Clay, she made more news than

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Speaker 2: I think she intended when she said that every person

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Speaker 2: on social media should be verified by name. I want

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Speaker 2: everyone to hear this sound by play sixteen.

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Speaker 3: When I get into office. The first thing we have

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Speaker 3: to do social media accounts, social media companies. They have

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Speaker 3: to show America their algorithms, let us see why they're

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Speaker 3: pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person

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Speaker 3: on social media should.

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Speaker 1: Be verified by their name.

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Speaker 3: That's first of all, it's a national security threat when

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Speaker 3: you do that, all of a sudden, people have to

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Speaker 3: stand by what they say, and it gets rid of

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Speaker 3: the Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots,

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Speaker 3: and then you're going to get some civility when people

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Speaker 3: know their name is next to what they say and

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Speaker 3: they know their pastor and their family members going to

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Speaker 3: see it. It's going to help our kids and it's

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Speaker 2: Country, all right, Clay, there are two sides to that

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Speaker 2: coin at a minimum, and there's a lot of backlash.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to her walk back already. But what's your

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Speaker 2: first reaction to this? Because this has been dominating the

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Speaker 2: online discussion for about the last I don't know, eighteen

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Speaker 1: So first, the online algorithms and being able to understand

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Speaker 1: what's being pushed, I think makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: On the social media front, walk through me with this

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Speaker 1: if you will. My understanding is you basically have to

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Speaker 1: be a real person to get a Facebook account, right,

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Speaker 1: that is the intent. I understand that people set up

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Speaker 1: Facebook fake accounts. On Facebook, I think it's also true

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Speaker 1: on Instagram that you and again people out there can

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Speaker 1: Instagram accounts have to be connected, at least in theory,

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Speaker 1: to real people. In other words, I understand people game

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Speaker 1: the system and they're faked and everything else, but Twitter

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Speaker 1: and TikTok do not in theory require real identities, right,

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Speaker 1: Is that your understanding? Buck For people out there who

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Speaker 1: Instagram to others, in Twitter and in uh and in

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Speaker 1: TikTok don't necessarily require you to be a real person.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, yes, because on Twitter when Patriots seventeen seventy

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Speaker 1: Which it is, by the way, I can't. I don't

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like his name is you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But but the the there are two things.

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Speaker 2: this primary as a throwback to the GOP circa two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three, two thousand and four, that she wants

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Speaker 2: major military intervention abroad, endless funding of military adventurism or interventionism,

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Speaker 2: hawkish on foreign policy, and she also is haukished on

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Speaker 2: just a national security state in general. And people on

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Speaker 2: will one what happened in the long term in i

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Speaker 2: Rocket Afghanistan. They also see the expansion of the surveillance

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Speaker 2: state that was supposed to be used against al Qaeda Clay.

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Speaker 2: As we've seen in recent years, that same surveillance state

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Speaker 2: is used against you know, J six protesters, or it's

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Speaker 2: used against parents at school board meetings. There's been an

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Speaker 2: effort to turn the government against domestic extremists, and by

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Speaker 2: that they mean people with right wing views that they

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Speaker 2: don't like. But all the different people that are paid

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Speaker 2: monitoring and collecting and analyzing data that is used now

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Speaker 2: for a lot more than just trying to find bidden

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Speaker 2: laden a co conspirators.

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Speaker 1: Well as a guy who's now got his second irs. Notice,

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Speaker 1: I am very sympathetic to anybody out there who believes

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Speaker 1: that your political beliefs will lead to you being targeted

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Speaker 1: in some way. I think personally that the algorithms should

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Speaker 1: favor real people, that is, people with verified identities and

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Speaker 1: real names. I think that's probably the best way to

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Speaker 1: handle this. I understand that people decide that they want

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Speaker 1: and you know this, buck, you, I think have to

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Speaker 1: be somewhat psychotic to have like ten or twenty or

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Speaker 1: it to go after advertisers and try to create this

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Speaker 1: I think that occurs all the time on social media.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sympathetic to what Nicki Haley is trying to address.

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Speaker 1: I think the idea of doing away with anonymous accounts

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Speaker 1: one that is effective or likely to lead to a

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Speaker 1: truer or more honest marketplace of ideas, which is ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think what we need more than anything.

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Speaker 2: Ron de Santis pointed out on Twitter Governor Florida that

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Speaker 2: the Federalist papers were written on I know Poublius. There

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Speaker 2: wasn't some guy Publius who was hanging out at the

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Speaker 2: that was particularly useful for Madison, Hamilton and Jays.

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, back in the day, I hope

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Speaker 1: we don't go back to these times. You could be

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Speaker 1: thrown in prison for what you wrote, so hen't forget this.

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Speaker 2: Even after the adoption of the First Amendment, even after

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Speaker 2: Alien and Sedition Acts of roughly what's eighteen one hundred

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Speaker 1: I think when that was put in place.

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Speaker 2: They wanted people. I mean, some of the founders, including Jefferson,

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Speaker 2: were like, whoa, you can't say that about our war

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Speaker 1: We might throw you in prison.

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Speaker 2: And then again in the twentieth century, the fire in

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Speaker 2: a crowded theater line that ever always uses that was

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Speaker 2: used in justification of throwing a socialist who was against

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Speaker 2: intervention into the First World War. He was handing out

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Speaker 2: pamphlets and the Supreme Court said, well, that's basically like

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Speaker 2: shouting fire in a crowded theater. It was the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court's version.

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Speaker 1: Of your words hurt me.

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Speaker 2: So there's been some big l's, some big losses for

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Speaker 2: free speech over the course of this country's history, even

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Speaker 2: So I think people get a little concerned Clay about

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Speaker 2: a person who is rightly wrong, and we will ask

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Speaker 2: her about this when she comes on, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: she will soon viewed as the military industrial complex candidate

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Speaker 1: Right now, if you disagree with that, can.

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Speaker 2: I also put out this call if you are a

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Speaker 2: Please call and tell us why. Eight hundred two eight

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Speaker 2: you and end that call. We want Nicky Haley all in.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else can get it done. I want to know

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Speaker 2: a great call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to hear from the two buck.

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Speaker 1: This is where're doing starting off My career in college

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Speaker 1: football is perfect for what's going on right now. If

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Speaker 1: you there are such zelots and diehards in college football

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Speaker 1: Michigan is the greatest school that's ever existed in the

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Speaker 1: history of mankind, and their athletic programs are far superior

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Speaker 1: to everyone else who has ever existed in the history

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Speaker 1: of college sports. Anything short of that, Michigan people, and

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Speaker 1: in that place right now, Buck, where people are so

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Speaker 1: is unaffiliated with any particular candidate says anything other than

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Speaker 1: their favored candidate is the greatest human that has ever

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Speaker 1: existed in the history of mankind, You're a hater. I've

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Speaker 1: done I've seen this for twenty some odd years. It's

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Speaker 1: actually less toxic I think in politics than it is

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Speaker 1: in college football, which crazy in and of itself, probably

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Speaker 1: why college football coaches get held to higher job standards

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Speaker 1: than politicians, honestly, but that's where we are right now,

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Speaker 1: where everybody is looking for a fence, and if you

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Speaker 1: then they are out for one. Well, it's really kind

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Speaker 2: The timeline is also now such that people take this

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Speaker 3: We need our social media companies to verify everybody so

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Speaker 3: Same reason why I think doxing like, you know, you

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Speaker 2: I think people act like lunatics on social media, regardless

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Team Haley lighting up the lines over here.

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Speaker 1: See I knew it.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's at something like twelve or twelve or

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Speaker 1: Some of them have called in.

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Speaker 2: We asked for you Team Haley to call and make

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Speaker 2: So, Keith, you think it's about electability effectively for you? Right,

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think part of that is she's undefined

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Nicky Haley. I think she's got a

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Speaker 5: No? I think she wants to be president. But I

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Speaker 2: make me think that Trump wouldn't bring her back into

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Speaker 2: the fold.

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Speaker 1: So to speak down the line, has she she has it?

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Speaker 1: Like Ron DeSantis, I would say, has burned the boats

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Speaker 1: and made it. He's he's not a Trump guy.

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Speaker 2: He said that Trump has basically not fulfilled promises and

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Speaker 2: broken faith with the base like he's he has said that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Chris Christie has certainly more than burned the burned

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Speaker 1: the boats, right. Uh, Nicky Haley, I would say is

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Speaker 1: more on the Tim Scott side than she is the

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis or Chris Christie's.

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Speaker 2: Fun fact that burn the boats comes from hernand Cortes

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Speaker 2: and the invasion of the Aztec Empire, and not one.

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Speaker 1: To know but where it came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's generally you know, you know, he burned

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Speaker 2: his ship so that the men couldn't leave. I believe

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Speaker 2: historians now think he actually scuttled the ships, but then

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Speaker 2: the legend became that they were burned, but that they

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Speaker 2: just sort of sunk them instead of trying to burn them.

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Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this also yesterday because you

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Speaker 2: mentioned to burn the boat's thing, and we had people

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Speaker 2: writing in about my claim that Napole no, that Hannibal

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Speaker 2: was one of the five greatest generals of all time.

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Speaker 2: I also mentioned Napoleon and someone wrote in Genghis Khan,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, there there's some there's some

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Speaker 2: strong feelings out there about most impressive military commander. In

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Speaker 2: the case of the Khan of the Khanate and Genghis

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Speaker 2: Khan in particularly, you're talking about, I mean mass destruction

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Speaker 2: of not just armies but civilians on a scale that

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Speaker 2: had never been seen before in human history. So that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a tough one, but incredible military machine.

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Speaker 1: The Mongol Khan, like, there's some insane percentage of his

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Speaker 1: DNA that exists in much of that region of the

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Speaker 1: world still is as much as like one in sixteen

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Speaker 1: people are descended from Ginghis Khan in some way. This

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Speaker 1: I do not know. I've heard something along those lines. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: look that up. You probably weren't expecting Gingis khan genealogy,

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Speaker 1: but it's some unbelievable number of children that he individually

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Speaker 1: and his family obviously that his heirs have fathered throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of that region. I think it was like

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Speaker 1: one in sixteen in some parts of the world can

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Speaker 1: directly trace their descent to Ginghis Khan, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of unbelievable to think about it.

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Speaker 2: I also think if you're talking about the greatest generals

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Speaker 2: of all time, you do have to make a separation

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Speaker 2: into those who were four deployed combatants themselves versus those

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Speaker 2: who are strategic geniuses. A little bit, you know, you

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Speaker 2: start to get into like Alexander the Great was part

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Speaker 2: of cavalry charges, right, he would actually get into it.

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Speaker 1: Napoleon.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Actually you got me thinking now too, like who is

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Speaker 1: the greatest American general of all time?

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Speaker 2: Oh, this audience gets we'll get our VIPs on email

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Speaker 2: because we'll not have time for the calls on this.

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Speaker 2: Send us your the greatest American general of all that,

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Speaker 2: you argue, I think you'd get a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who would say, based on results, Douglas MacArthur has to

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Speaker 2: be high on the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think people would argue that. Now others would say

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Speaker 2: that that's crazy. But there are definitely gonna be some

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Speaker 2: Douglas MacArthur people in the audience. On a skills basis,

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Speaker 2: you're going to get some people who say that for

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Speaker 2: outcome on the battlefield, Robert E. Lee was an incredible

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Speaker 2: strategic mind for his time. That is just that is

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Speaker 2: a fact of military history. They will say that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you could no one's saying here, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're just talking about how good someone is at generalship.

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Speaker 2: Who comes to mind for you from the American side.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be even more controversial because I think

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Speaker 1: the most and again also the possibility is are you

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Speaker 1: talking about commanding general or someone who had a core

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Speaker 1: or someone who had a division or so I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a couple from the Civil War. Nathan Bedford Forest,

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Speaker 1: to me is probably the greatest cavalry general that ever

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Speaker 1: existed in maybe the world. And there's some interesting stories

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Speaker 1: buck again just talking military genius. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the way that Forrest fought his battles, they're incredible. And

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Speaker 1: one of the people who was most impressed by Forrest

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Speaker 1: reportedly was Rommel, who traveled pre World War Two. You know,

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Speaker 1: you study military history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to bring up that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Rammel wasn't you know, Nazi fighting World War Two. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of military strategic and tactical prowess, a lot

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Speaker 2: of military historians would say Rammel was one of the

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Speaker 2: great military tacticians of all time and that he came

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Speaker 2: here and studied and walked the battlefields of Nathan Bedford

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Speaker 2: Forest to try to understand the strategies that he deployed.

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Speaker 2: Because if you see the topography, if you are a

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Speaker 2: military historian, anybody who studies history, the topography of a

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Speaker 2: battlefield was hugely important, uh, historically to who won and

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Speaker 2: who lost. And I mentioned Harnan Cortes at the beginning

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Speaker 2: and the conquest of the Aztec Empire. I mean he

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Speaker 2: arrived with hundreds of men and managed to defeat an

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Speaker 2: empire that was had a human sacrifice in slavery by

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Speaker 2: the way, but the Aztec Empire, massive slave empire.

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Speaker 1: Actually you don't hear about that.

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Speaker 2: But defeated them and it was I think they asked

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Speaker 2: him in a couple of million people he managed to

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Speaker 2: just you know.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible story.

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Speaker 2: You could make an amazing television series about Cortes and

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Speaker 2: the Aztecs, but it would be very controversial. He was

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Speaker 2: a he was a rough dude, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 2: We've got some geinghis con updates. Let me also give

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Speaker 2: you a couple more Civil War generals, because people are.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be like Clay Travis praises, you know, Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton praise Roberty Lee. You're oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: said Robert. I was gonna say, you're on your own.

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Speaker 1: Nathan bed Forrest, who had a checkered at best passed.

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Speaker 1: After the Civil War, I would say George Thomas, who

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Speaker 1: was a Virginian who stayed loyal to the North. If

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Speaker 1: you look at what he did in the Western theater, Uh,

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Speaker 1: save the the Union army at Chickamauga and then later

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Speaker 1: basically wiped out Hood in the Battle of Nashville. One

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Speaker 1: of the most successful Union generals. That's probably under the radar.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one I would point to, and

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Speaker 1: again it goes to not only the strategic genius, but

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Speaker 1: being ford thinking enough to even try it. Sherman. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The idea when Sherman decided to begin his march to

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Speaker 1: the Sea that his fam that his army could forage

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Speaker 1: off of the land without supply chains was a revolutionary idea.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh. And obviously Sherman's ability to basically fight

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Speaker 1: the will of the Southern people to continue that war.

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Speaker 1: You know who's not a great general?

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Speaker 2: If you actually and I'm gonna get people fired out here,

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Speaker 2: you are you throwing Grant under the bus here?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I actually think Grant. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: George Washington. If you look at George Washington's act.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Harry, George kept the army together during very tough times.

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Speaker 1: He bite your tongue with that George talk. You go

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Speaker 1: look at George Washington on the battlefield as opposed to uh.

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Speaker 1: Certainly he was a genius at managing and maintaining the revolution,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of his on the battlefield performance, not

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Speaker 1: that good of it.

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Speaker 2: But he was an insurgent, and insurgents just have to

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Speaker 2: outlast the will of the enemy, which is what which

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Speaker 2: is what he did. So okay, we have some Genghis updates.

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Speaker 2: And also if you want to say, okay, if you

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Speaker 2: want to wait and now we started the greatest generals,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of news to get to. I

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Speaker 2: promise we'll get to that too. But eight hundred two

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Speaker 2: two two a A two. We got the military historians,

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Speaker 2: some of them, especially Clay. With your civil war takes,

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Speaker 2: someone's gonna gell at us. I'm sure we're leaving people out.

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Speaker 1: Some civil war takes are gonna be respected by civil

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Speaker 1: war people. But it's going to be a headline on

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Speaker 1: one of these left wing sites that I said something

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Speaker 1: positive about a Confederate general. How dare I I'll.

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Speaker 2: Balance it for the left by saying that Zookov in

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Speaker 2: the second you know, Soviet Zukov in the Second World

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Speaker 2: War was a very effective general and tactician in the

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Speaker 2: Soviet sense, which means, you know, lose as many lives

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Speaker 2: as you have to get the job done.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Stonewall Jackson genius. I should have

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Speaker 1: obviously mentioned him, but he obviously is very well known. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm fired up here, Yeah, right there, he's fired up folks.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two eight a two. We'll get

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Speaker 1: not far off from my on my ginghis Khan. Take

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Speaker 1: Ali again, something she probably wasn't expecting to look up.

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Speaker 1: Historians long known that he had a ton of kids,

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Speaker 1: of the world's male population is a descent of Ginghis Khan.

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Speaker 1: Eight percent of all men living in his former territory

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Speaker 1: can trace through the Y chromosome, one in every two

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Speaker 1: hundred men is a descendant of ginghis Khan and one

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Speaker 1: in every what is that? One in sixteen of every

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Speaker 1: men in the world area in which he conquered. That

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Now, they said they knew he had a

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Speaker 1: lot of kids, six wives, untold number of concubines. But

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Speaker 1: and it could be I guess his sons as well, right,

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Speaker 1: I imagine that Genghis Khan had a lot of sons,

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Speaker 1: and that would obviously have continued as well, and they

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Speaker 1: were probably powerful and had a lot of It makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Because when people, for example, are having a speakerphone conversation

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Speaker 2: at the coffee shop next to me, I go full

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Speaker 2: Genghis Khan on that, so that I might have some gangs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, makes makes perfect sense. And yes, the the amount

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Speaker 1: of emails that are rolling in right now, I can't

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Speaker 1: I look at you.

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Speaker 2: You just that was just you were just starting the

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Speaker 2: fire there. You were throwing you were throwing an M

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Speaker 2: eighty into a bucket of gasoline with your well, I

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Speaker 2: guess that would actually put it out, But you know what.

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Speaker 1: I mean, George, George Washington, Washington take yeah, my George,

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Speaker 1: which is accurate Historically, military historians, they're nodding all the

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Speaker 1: rest of you are ready to tar and feather me

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Speaker 1: and throw me in the I'm just gonna say, I

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Speaker 1: sit here.

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Speaker 2: I have total solidarity with George Washington on this issue.

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Speaker 2: I think that he had a very tough hand that

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Speaker 2: he had to deal with militarily.

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Speaker 1: So militarily he was a poor general. Now in terms

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Speaker 1: of holding I mean on the battlefield, in terms of

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Speaker 1: holding together the revolution and the men in material the

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Speaker 1: armada aspect of the battle, he was very impressive. But

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Speaker 1: you got him on the field, right, you got him

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Speaker 1: in the ring. I don't think gw took a great

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Speaker 1: threw a great punch, or took a great punch. He

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Speaker 1: just wasn't that good actually in combat leading troops. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's Benn Nick Arnold talk over here. It's all I

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Speaker 1: can tell you. It's crazy. Meanwhile, Stonewall Jackson, the Valley

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Speaker 1: Campaign I was I was talking about Nathan Bedford Forrest.

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Speaker 1: Probably the greatest strategic UH military campaign in a in

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Speaker 1: in our history is what Stonewall Jackson did in the

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Speaker 1: Shenandoah Valley UH, with the with the with his army there.

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Speaker 1: It's still unprecedented to this day.

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Speaker 2: What he accomplished incredibly brutal. But Julius Caesar would be

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Speaker 2: somebody you should also think of as a as a

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Speaker 2: a phenomenally accomplished military commander. We think of him in

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Speaker 2: a much more sort of theatrical sense in getting stabbed

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Speaker 2: and all that. Steve in New York wants to throw

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Speaker 2: a name in the mix that we haven't talked about yet.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Steve?

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Speaker 4: How about General George Pattens.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that was one of that Yeah, one of the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Maybe the greatest military movie

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Speaker 1: ever made.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's a whole dude, that's it. You

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Speaker 2: can't just throw these you can't just drop these bombs.

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Speaker 2: Clay military movie, I know I wouldn't go that far.

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Speaker 1: What would you say? Is the best military movie ever?

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Speaker 2: Ah, most realistic, most realistic for modern combat, black Hawk down,

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Speaker 2: best military.

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Speaker 1: Movie ever made.

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Speaker 2: And dude, you can't put me on the spot like that.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. I mean, there's so many.

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Speaker 1: Patton is so good, so good, I mean, Braveheart, Gladiator,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, I mean again, you can.

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Speaker 2: Kind of get into those. I was thinking more like

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Speaker 2: military combat. I mean, Saving Private Ryan is a phenomenal

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Speaker 2: movie that holds up incredibly well, incredibly well made, So

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Speaker 2: that has to be on my list.

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Speaker 1: And there's lots of tell like Band of Brothers obviously

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Speaker 1: that are television series that are incredibly well done. But

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Speaker 1: Patten that opening scene of Pattern when he walks out

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Speaker 1: in front of the American flag, I think is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest scenes that's ever been filmed in American history.

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Speaker 1: People are shouting out Apocalypse.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of movies you I see. I'm not

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Speaker 2: a person, but we could talk.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about that