Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,
Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of
Speaker 1: my series where I interview fascinating people about how they
Speaker 1: manage their time and how all of us can take
Speaker 1: our days from great to awesome. So I am excited
Speaker 1: to welcome Maya Gudka to Before Breakfast today. Maya is
Speaker 1: an executive coach who also works in leadership development with
Speaker 1: many big corporations. So Maya, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi Laura, great to be here.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. So tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and your work.
Speaker 3: Yeah great. So, as you said, I'm an executive coach.
Speaker 3: I started life as an economist and I've spent most
Speaker 3: of my career inside organizations. In the last few years
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to go independent and cricket and so
Speaker 3: what I do right now is I have a really
Speaker 3: wide range of clients. I work with everyone from charity,
Speaker 3: so I work closely with a charity that supports social workers.
Speaker 3: Then with London Business School, I work with everybody from
Speaker 3: those that have just graduated from their masters. So really
Speaker 3: early on in their careers, all the way to senior
Speaker 3: executives kind of at the top of their game. And
Speaker 3: then it's super international as well. So I will be
Speaker 3: coaching on any given day, I might be working with
Speaker 3: somebody from Saudi Arabia, I might be working with somebody
Speaker 3: from the Far East, somebody in China, so it's super
Speaker 3: international from a global perspective. And then of course in London,
Speaker 3: I will be heading into people's offices as well as
Speaker 3: working from home, coaching brands that we know, such as
Speaker 3: in the UK, Marks and Spencer or maybe Sony Music
Speaker 3: might be familiar to your listeners.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and so it sounds like if you're working
Speaker 1: with lots of different people and lots of different places,
Speaker 1: it might be hard to build any sort of routine.
Speaker 1: But you do have a bit of a morning routine,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do, and I'm a before Breakfast listener, so
Speaker 3: I have definitely read up on all sorts of listened
Speaker 3: up on lots of great routines that I've heard here
Speaker 3: and on Best of Both Worlds podcasts. So I really
Speaker 3: enjoy that routine perspective, and right now what our routine
Speaker 3: looks like because It's always shifting a little bit, isn't it.
Speaker 3: But as we head into winter, I'm not really getting
Speaker 3: up before seven, but that's the time that we do
Speaker 3: need to be up. My daughter has to be up
Speaker 3: at seven. She's out the door within half an hour.
Speaker 3: I'm not the default parent in the morning, though, so
Speaker 3: sometimes I even get handed a coffee in bed by
Speaker 3: my husband, which is high luxury, I know, but I
Speaker 3: typically am able.
Speaker 2: To enjoy my cup of coffee in the morning.
Speaker 3: And then because I'm not the default parent, I'm not
Speaker 3: rushing around, but I will have one eye on what's
Speaker 3: going on with my two kids. I've got an eight
Speaker 3: year old and a ten year old. But really what
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about at that point is what is my
Speaker 3: hard stuff that I want to do today. So it's
Speaker 3: really that swallow the frog stuff I'm not doing like
Speaker 3: fancy journaling or anything like that. I really just want
Speaker 3: to get the hard stuff out of the way, and
Speaker 3: that can look really different on a day to day basis.
Speaker 3: So I will probably ask myself the day before, what
Speaker 3: are you putting off here? Like what's not happening right now?
Speaker 3: What is either demanding some extra motivation from you, some extracognition,
Speaker 3: so I then know that that's what I'm getting out
Speaker 3: of the way first thing in the morning. And typically
Speaker 3: once I've done that, I'm feeling pretty good and I've
Speaker 3: got some momentum, and so I'll get a few other
Speaker 3: things out of the way. Then once I'm feeling like
Speaker 3: I've got that chunk out of the way, we're looking
Speaker 3: at nine nine thirty, then I'm heading out the door
Speaker 3: for a walk, could be a run, walk run. Sometimes
Speaker 3: a friend will be dropping a kid off nearby and
Speaker 3: they will join me, and then I'm back, have a
Speaker 3: delicious coffee, get ready for my clients, and then from
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock all the way up to four point thirty.
Speaker 3: If I'm working from home, I will be working with
Speaker 3: clients all day. That's on a Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Speaker 3: I then have a no meeting day on Mondays and
Speaker 3: not today because we're talking, but often I give myself
Speaker 3: Thursdays off, so I've been working towards that this year.
Speaker 2: So yeah's excite.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the idea of planning a day off,
Speaker 1: especially if you have a busy schedule the rest of
Speaker 1: the week. So maybe you could talk about why someone
Speaker 1: decides to work with a career coach and what they
Speaker 1: might plan to get out of that sort of experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it can depend.
Speaker 3: So if they've cut I'm often coming across people through
Speaker 3: the corporate space, and so they might be either in
Speaker 3: a leadership position, like a chunky leadership position, or they
Speaker 3: might have missed out on one and that's why they
Speaker 3: might have been recommended for coaching.
Speaker 2: So they might be feeling a little.
Speaker 3: Bit stuck in their career as well as wanting to
Speaker 3: develop skills that are directly applicable in their current roles.
Speaker 3: Because I also have a podcasting coach, I also have
Speaker 3: people coming through that, and again, people are looking for clarity.
Speaker 3: Often they have done the first era of their career.
Speaker 3: They've done the kind of straightforward steps, maybe met other
Speaker 3: people's expectations, done the obvious stuff, and now they're at
Speaker 3: a point where that next stage looks a little bit murkier.
Speaker 3: They can't necessarily find the exact role model or the
Speaker 3: exact path, and they're struggling to identify what that might
Speaker 3: look like as well as then having.
Speaker 2: The self belief to take some of those steps forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so one of the first things you do
Speaker 1: with people when they come to you is some visioning
Speaker 1: which might describe might sound a little bit ruud to people.
Speaker 1: But so what is practically does it mean to be
Speaker 1: visioning when it comes to your career? Like, if I'm
Speaker 1: doing this, what am I sitting down and doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, one thing you won't be doing, Laura, is
Speaker 3: you won't be doing a vision board. So we're not
Speaker 3: doing we're not doing the vision board. I would say
Speaker 3: it's almost like the anti vision board because the thing
Speaker 3: about my clients is that they're high achieving, they're quite practical, logical, analytical,
Speaker 3: and so that whole vision board stuff just hasn't worked.
Speaker 3: And in some ways that's good. In some ways that
Speaker 3: is bad. What it does mean is they don't really
Speaker 3: have that bigger picture of vision for their career because
Speaker 3: they want to feel like it's a more robust approach.
Speaker 3: So we look at their strengths, not just their strengths,
Speaker 3: but their signature strengths. So when you combine a load
Speaker 3: of strengths, you create some magic. What does that look like?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 3: What does it feel like when they are using those
Speaker 3: signature strengths tho zone of genius things which they feel
Speaker 3: like they have an almost unfair advantage of using some
Speaker 3: of cal Newbod's language. They're rare and valuable skills because
Speaker 3: we also want those income generative lucrative skills a lot.
Speaker 3: So we want to spend time identifying what this stuff
Speaker 3: is and there is a little bit of manifestation in it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to not gonna lie, so we will also,
Speaker 3: but I do that in a way that feels good
Speaker 3: for my corporate clients who are very much not going
Speaker 3: to be falling for the woo rooster. They're setting them
Speaker 3: up for a series of exercises that make them feel
Speaker 3: like when they are now constructing that vision, it's solid.
Speaker 3: It's not just being plucked out of thin air. It's
Speaker 3: not based on a few magazine cuttings. But then I
Speaker 3: actually take them through a ideal mourning and I get
Speaker 3: them to envision that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and when you say, look at people's strengths
Speaker 1: and how are you determining, how might somebody determine what
Speaker 1: their particular unique strengths are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a few different ways. There's some lovely
Speaker 3: assessments out there. So there's a strengths finder, there's a
Speaker 3: gallop Strengths finder, and there's another positive psychology tool that
Speaker 3: is freely available. I can send a link for that one.
Speaker 3: So there are some specific tools for those who want
Speaker 3: that specificity, they want to feel like they're drawing from
Speaker 3: an existing framework, but sometimes that's not necessary. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: just about asking a series of questions. Say, okay, where
Speaker 3: are the areas where you get lit up? Where are
Speaker 3: the areas that you find you're able to do things
Speaker 3: more rapidly? You light up, you're energized by doing them
Speaker 3: as well as often complemented. And one of the exercises
Speaker 3: actually that I get people to do is go and
Speaker 3: ask others what people think their strengths are. And I
Speaker 3: will often have clients coming back to you saying, you
Speaker 3: know what, that part was very useful because I probably
Speaker 3: underestimated or took for granted some of my strength. So
Speaker 3: having that outside perspective, often from people that are close
Speaker 3: to you, that see you in a great light, but
Speaker 3: a different light than you might see yourself, can be
Speaker 3: really valuable as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably fun to go about asking people, Hey,
Speaker 1: what do you see as my strongest my strongest suits exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick ad break and then
Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Maya Guodca. Well,
Speaker 1: we are back. This is one of the longer episodes
Speaker 1: of Before Breakfast where I am interviewing career coach Maya Goudca.
Speaker 1: She is also, you know, been working in lots of
Speaker 1: big organizations for many years and Maya one of the
Speaker 1: things we talked about before this is that there are
Speaker 1: systematic steps people can take to elevate their careers within
Speaker 1: an organization. So you know, sometimes people are like, well, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to find out my strength and I'm going
Speaker 1: to decide I have to go completely switch careers, I
Speaker 1: have to completely go do something else, which seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of bother What can we do in the
Speaker 1: next couple weeks or so to maybe take things to
Speaker 1: the next level within what we're currently doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would say that that north star that
Speaker 3: you would get from giving it having your own vision
Speaker 3: is going to be valuable even when you then start
Speaker 3: doing these systematic steps, because it will give you a
Speaker 3: sense of Okay, who are those pivotal people that are
Speaker 3: going to be super aligned with that vision that I
Speaker 3: have for the future. So let's take that that we
Speaker 3: have a bit of that north star going on, which
Speaker 3: is why it's.
Speaker 2: The kind of the firstep in the process.
Speaker 3: But once you've got some sense of that, then I
Speaker 3: talk about building up support for yourself in a long
Speaker 3: term way inside an organization. I have a bit of
Speaker 3: a spiral for that. So the first bit is understanding
Speaker 3: your unique influencings. So often my clients will tell me
Speaker 3: things like I'm not see sweet material, or I don't
Speaker 3: have that natural charismatic leadership style. Actually, what I see
Speaker 3: now is that there are so many different leadership styles.
Speaker 3: You've just got to own your own and feel comfortable
Speaker 3: with it. So you might have received some feedback over
Speaker 3: time telling you you're too challenging, you're too direct, or
Speaker 3: you're too held back, or you're not the obvious party extravert,
Speaker 3: and people will then feel like they have to put
Speaker 3: a mask on. And what I say is, actually, no,
Speaker 3: let's work with that style. Let's actually lean into your
Speaker 3: original style and let's bring it out. Let's find ways
Speaker 3: for you to use that inside the organization. You're going
Speaker 3: to enjoy that more and it's going to feel more authentic,
Speaker 3: be less exhausting for you. So we spend a bit
Speaker 3: of time thinking about that. The next bit is then
Speaker 3: having done a bit of vision work and thinking about
Speaker 3: where you want to get to next, because you kind
Speaker 3: of need to know that otherwise we're doing it at
Speaker 3: a very tactical level.
Speaker 2: The next bit is thinking about, Okay, who are those.
Speaker 3: Pivotal people that are going to be really helpful unlocking
Speaker 3: next steps in my career, in the success of my
Speaker 3: team as well, so it's not just about you and
Speaker 3: your career, but also like the success of the work
Speaker 3: that you're doing inside the organization. And I get people
Speaker 3: to jot down one to five such people, and I say,
Speaker 3: don't worry. Even if the relationship is like a zero
Speaker 3: out ten right now, if they barely know you, that's
Speaker 3: fine because they're not rushing this. You can start to
Speaker 3: find slow ways, little ways to interact with them.
Speaker 2: So we build up this picture.
Speaker 3: The next stage is then managing some of the more
Speaker 3: tricky relationships, because as well as sometimes feeling like that
Speaker 3: person might them not know them. Sometimes people feel like
Speaker 3: I know somebody that could help me and not in
Speaker 3: my career, but I don't have a good relationship with them.
Speaker 3: In fact, like I think it's a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: So we think about what we can do on that.
Speaker 3: But because we know which are those important relationships, we
Speaker 3: focus the energy on the right ones. I then take
Speaker 3: people through how to make a good ask inside an
Speaker 3: organization because we have a vision, because we know what
Speaker 3: it is that we want to achieve, We know what
Speaker 3: sorts of asks that we want to make, whether that's
Speaker 3: a promotionless a comment, a tool project, a case that
Speaker 3: we want to make for the way that something should
Speaker 3: be done. And I really encourage people, once they've got
Speaker 3: some of those relationships in place, to spend time understanding
Speaker 3: the drivers for you of those key sponsors that they
Speaker 3: are asking us, Like what is important for those sponsors
Speaker 3: right now? How can we position your ask in a
Speaker 3: way that is going to really play to the interest
Speaker 3: of the individual and their commercial interests also their human interests,
Speaker 3: and how can we head off objections that they might have.
Speaker 3: So I go into a lot more detail with that process,
Speaker 3: so I can if you want to ask me more
Speaker 3: about that, we can do that. But the final stage
Speaker 3: is you kind of know your personal style, You've warmed
Speaker 3: up a lot of key relationships, you know how to
Speaker 3: make a case of things. The final bit then is
Speaker 3: some of those more high stakes situations, whether that's like
Speaker 3: the board meeting, a big presentation, a panel interview. That's
Speaker 3: often the point at which people think they need coaching.
Speaker 3: But we've started a lot earlier, and at that stage
Speaker 3: I take time with people to help them understand the
Speaker 3: psychology of setting those up for success. How do you
Speaker 3: contract at the beginning of one of those meetings? How
Speaker 3: do you introduce yourself? And how do you if it's
Speaker 3: something where you are going to know that there's going
Speaker 3: to be quite a challenging discussion.
Speaker 2: How can you contract for things?
Speaker 3: When I say that, what I mean is set the
Speaker 3: tone for how people are going to manage that conversation
Speaker 3: and keep an eye on that during the conversation so
Speaker 3: that you're not hit left field or if the conversation
Speaker 3: seems like it's going to completely out of control, you
Speaker 3: have a way to.
Speaker 2: Bring that back.
Speaker 3: And that's my relational spiral. That's quite a lot there,
Speaker 3: I know I thrown at you. There may be things
Speaker 3: that you want to dive into.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about how you can start. You know,
Speaker 1: Let's say that somebody is someone you barely know and
Speaker 1: you have identified them as a key stakeholder in raising
Speaker 1: your profile within an organization, how might you are sent
Speaker 1: to go about building that relationship? I mean, how can
Speaker 1: you do that within the context of a big organization.
Speaker 3: So the first thing is that clients will often realize,
Speaker 3: once we've identified the person, that they do have some
Speaker 3: opportunities to be in the orbit of that individual. It
Speaker 3: could be an event, it could be after a big
Speaker 3: meeting out, could be passing in the corridor, and so
Speaker 3: actually just being aware of those opportunities and leaning into
Speaker 3: them rather than perhaps sort of holding back, which is
Speaker 3: what people can often do. So taking those opportunities, that
Speaker 3: low hanging fruit to start to make the effort to
Speaker 3: have those bigger conversations. So that's the first stage. I
Speaker 3: always say, where are your opportunities, where's your low hanging fruit.
Speaker 3: Then typically there's going to be some sort of a
Speaker 3: project interaction or some sort of a work type interaction
Speaker 3: that you can have with them. It could be that
Speaker 3: you're doing a certain project that is of interest to them,
Speaker 3: and actually then being able to say, by the way,
Speaker 3: we should line up on that because I know you're
Speaker 3: also considering X and Y, and so you can start
Speaker 3: to build up the opportunity if it's not already there.
Speaker 3: To have more meaty conversations, and then ultimately as you're
Speaker 3: starting to have more of those interactions, I always encourage
Speaker 3: people to linger at the start of the conversation, hate
Speaker 3: the time to say, how are you what's exciting for
Speaker 3: you right now? Is it super crazy? Are you going
Speaker 3: to get a chance to have a rest soon? And
Speaker 3: just don't be put off if that is initially met
Speaker 3: with a little bit of oh okay, or it's battered back,
Speaker 3: that's just an indication of that individual right that it's
Speaker 3: not about you. You've not failed if you've leant into
Speaker 3: a little bit more rapport building, and slowly people find
Speaker 3: ways to build up those relationships. And then I always say,
Speaker 3: at some point, if you're really struggling to get that
Speaker 3: common ground and you've had a few small interactions, some
Speaker 3: point you can say, I'd love to have a bit
Speaker 3: of a mental conversation with you and have a coffee
Speaker 3: and pick your brains about specific career things that I
Speaker 3: think are you know one bish I could really get
Speaker 3: a lot of insight from you, so then, you know,
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't advise people do that straight away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to warm them up first before you
Speaker 1: leap into the ask of course, of course, all right,
Speaker 1: Well we're going to take one more quick ad break
Speaker 1: and then we will be back with Maya Gudka. Well,
Speaker 1: I am back. This is one of the longer episodes
Speaker 1: of Before Breakfast. I am talking to Maya Gudka, who
Speaker 1: is an executive coach. She has worked in leadership development
Speaker 1: with many big corporations. So we've been talking about how
Speaker 1: to build your profile within an organization, how you might
Speaker 1: create a contact that would help you know you move
Speaker 1: through how you get to that ask. And then Maya,
Speaker 1: you were talking earlier about these sort of high stake
Speaker 1: situations like the big meeting where you're giving the big presentation,
Speaker 1: and one of the things you do is work with
Speaker 1: people about how to kind of enjoy that a bit more.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you can talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So people will tell me that their worst fear
Speaker 3: in those is being caught off God, is being are
Speaker 3: something that they don't have an answer to. Is that
Speaker 3: somebody else in the meeting is going to react in
Speaker 3: a strange way and that's going to derail the whole thing.
Speaker 3: So these are some of the fears that people have,
Speaker 3: but being caught off God is one of the biggest ones.
Speaker 3: So often once we can address that, then people can
Speaker 3: relax into that setting a little bit more, And so
Speaker 3: I help people have a bit of a toolkit around that.
Speaker 3: So what are you going to say if somebody catches
Speaker 3: you off? God like, you can just have a toolkit
Speaker 3: for that, which could be something like that is a
Speaker 3: great question. At the moment, I don't have all the
Speaker 3: data on that. What I would say, based on what
Speaker 3: we've already done is X, but let's we will come
Speaker 3: back to you because I think there's a little bit
Speaker 3: more to that one, and just knowing that you have
Speaker 3: some ways to respond. And over the years, I remember
Speaker 3: just seeing those who are very expert at this doing
Speaker 3: this sort of thing, and those were often the people
Speaker 3: had that real confidence because they weren't afraid of what
Speaker 3: was being thrown at them, so they could really be
Speaker 3: there to enjoy the discussion and enjoy the debate. So
Speaker 3: that's one really key way that I work with people
Speaker 3: to overcome some of that so that they can relax
Speaker 3: into the meeting a bit more.
Speaker 1: Just anticipate what's going to happen, and have some pocket
Speaker 1: phrases that can even buy them a little time.
Speaker 3: For something, yes, and also take the pressure off of
Speaker 3: this idea that they have to have all the answers.
Speaker 3: I think it's really easy, and it's a real common
Speaker 3: thing amongst my clients that perhaps at a certain stage
Speaker 3: in their career they were relied on more for just
Speaker 3: their knowledge, but they're now at stages where it's not
Speaker 3: just about that, and it's often others that are going
Speaker 3: to have the expertise. They no longer need to have
Speaker 3: all the expertise, but they kind of need to be
Speaker 3: able to marshal it and be able to have good,
Speaker 3: live in the moment conversations, even if they're not going
Speaker 3: to be all right or all wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all, Eric, Well, let's pivot from that to some
Speaker 1: of the strategies you are using to make yourself more productive.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you have you know, one or two
Speaker 1: twos that have been working for you lately in terms
Speaker 1: of getting more done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This year, the biggest shift for me has come from
Speaker 3: sorting my calendarly out. So I had a business coach
Speaker 3: and she walked us through her week, her typical week,
Speaker 3: and how she started her day a little bit later
Speaker 3: when she was having those intense days, and I thought,
Speaker 3: you know what, I've sort of been doing this subconsciously.
Speaker 3: I've been angling for meetings to start at this time.
Speaker 3: I've been creating space here. There's an automated tool that
Speaker 3: does this. So if I've got a two hour coaching session,
Speaker 3: it will schedule for me a fifteen minute break before
Speaker 3: and office so I can quickly whizz around the block,
Speaker 3: re energize and be ready for the next call. And
Speaker 3: knowing that that Calendly has been set up in a
Speaker 3: way that I'm really excited about gives me the space
Speaker 3: has been super excited. I've never been one to want
Speaker 3: to hand off my calendar to somebody else and have
Speaker 3: somebody manage that, because in my view, your calendar is
Speaker 3: your temple, and like you don't want to just open
Speaker 3: it up. But knowing that I've been able to input
Speaker 3: into that system and set it up in a way.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, there are glitches sometimes, but I'd
Speaker 3: much rather deal with those here and there, but know
Speaker 3: that the.
Speaker 2: Rough broad structure in a typical week is what it is.
Speaker 3: So that's been great, and I think it's actually enabled
Speaker 3: that day off as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean just using Calendly in general, I'm
Speaker 1: sure is helpful for when you have a ton of
Speaker 1: different people trying to schedule time or yeah, worse, moving
Speaker 1: time around. That's sort of the bane of my existence often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I'd always been using scheduling tool that it's
Speaker 3: impossible to do what I do multiple conversations per week
Speaker 3: without having a scheduling tool. But what I hadn't done
Speaker 3: was take the time to look at those calendar settings
Speaker 3: and really set them up in a way that was
Speaker 3: going to work for me, make sure those days looked
Speaker 3: good to me, and make sure that they were in
Speaker 3: some ways I guess they're compressed, and that's been really
Speaker 3: helpful as well, and also exactly as you say, then
Speaker 3: making the rescheduling process super easy so that people can
Speaker 3: go away and do that, so I will often now
Speaker 3: not have to have any to do with that. It's
Speaker 3: just happening and I can see somebody's rescheduled something, and
Speaker 3: I know it's going to be fine because I know
Speaker 3: it's within those parameters.
Speaker 1: And the idea of taking a little bit of time
Speaker 1: before and after an intense call, I mean, how can
Speaker 1: you sort of what are you doing within that to
Speaker 1: manage your energy so that you can then be on
Speaker 1: for the next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my default is I've got a little loop
Speaker 3: that I can walk around, and I know that it
Speaker 3: takes me about twelve minutes, so that's my default. I
Speaker 3: just go around the block, clear my head, and I'm
Speaker 3: ready for another call. I typically don't have too many
Speaker 3: two hour blocks in a day, but if I've got
Speaker 3: one of those, I know I'm going to need some
Speaker 3: space either before or after. If I've got more of
Speaker 3: like one hour call, which is another frequent time timespan
Speaker 3: that I would have, I'm kind of okay to go
Speaker 3: for a couple of those back to back. But the
Speaker 3: main thing for me is that I've got to get
Speaker 3: a bit of fresh air and get away from it.
Speaker 1: It just do something different for a bit, to take
Speaker 1: a real yeah break and move. Yes, definitely good for
Speaker 1: managing energy. I know if you could tell us. One
Speaker 1: of the taglines of the show is you know, taking
Speaker 1: our days from great to awesome. What is something you've
Speaker 1: done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
Speaker 3: Well, my Mondays have definitely gone from great to awesome
Speaker 3: because I have found a local dance class and it's
Speaker 3: in the evening.
Speaker 2: I've always loved.
Speaker 3: Dance, and this one is local at a super high standard,
Speaker 3: and I think it's just kicks all the boxes. The
Speaker 3: fact that it's down the road means that there's very
Speaker 3: little chance of me missing it, and so I'm in
Speaker 3: bed by ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I've had a bit of.
Speaker 3: A night out on a Monday, so that's been really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of dance are you doing?
Speaker 3: This is a Bollywood dance class, but the music that
Speaker 3: she uses, she'll integrate lots of other types into. I
Speaker 3: used to be in a professional dance troupe that was Bollywood,
Speaker 3: which is this specific type of Indian dancing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: And are you going to be performing anytime soon or
Speaker 1: is it not working for that?
Speaker 3: This one isn't This one is a routine per week
Speaker 3: which we then perform to the cat to our own cameras,
Speaker 3: which we can then film. But I have performed quite
Speaker 3: a lot in the past. I've performed in the Olympics
Speaker 3: opening ceremony, I've performed.
Speaker 2: At various events.
Speaker 3: So right now I'm kind of enjoying it for its
Speaker 3: own sake, But who knows, now that I've got back
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 1: I never know. Maybe the next Olympics you'll be performing
Speaker 1: in that one. Yeah, exactly could happen, and this could happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well, Maya, why don't you let our listeners
Speaker 1: know where they can find you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have the Executive Coach podcast. If you
Speaker 3: just type in the Executive Coach podcast, you should be
Speaker 3: able to find me. And then if you're interested in
Speaker 3: the career stuff, I have a career blind spots checklist
Speaker 3: that you can down overrom my website and that is Maya.
Speaker 3: Ma Ya goodkagu DKA dot com. You can head over
Speaker 3: there and get hold of that.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, I'm sure we all have some career
Speaker 1: blind spots that we should be aware of and would
Speaker 1: be good to figure out. So Maya, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us, and thank you to everyone for listening.
Speaker 1: I welcome feedback on these longer episodes or any ideas
Speaker 1: or topics you would like to see me discuss on
Speaker 1: before breakfast, and as always, you can reach me at
Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. So in the meantime,
Speaker 1: this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's to making
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