1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning, 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: my series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: manage their time and how all of us can take 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: our days from great to awesome. So I am excited 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: to welcome Maya Gudka to Before Breakfast today. Maya is 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: an executive coach who also works in leadership development with 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: many big corporations. So Maya, welcome to the show. 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: Hi Laura, great to be here. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on. So tell our listeners 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and your work. 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah great. So, as you said, I'm an executive coach. 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: I started life as an economist and I've spent most 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: of my career inside organizations. In the last few years 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: have the opportunity to go independent and cricket and so 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: what I do right now is I have a really 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: wide range of clients. I work with everyone from charity, 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 3: so I work closely with a charity that supports social workers. 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,279 Speaker 3: Then with London Business School, I work with everybody from 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: those that have just graduated from their masters. So really 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: early on in their careers, all the way to senior 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: executives kind of at the top of their game. And 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: then it's super international as well. So I will be 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: coaching on any given day, I might be working with 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: somebody from Saudi Arabia, I might be working with somebody 27 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: from the Far East, somebody in China, so it's super 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: international from a global perspective. And then of course in London, 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: I will be heading into people's offices as well as 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: working from home, coaching brands that we know, such as 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: in the UK, Marks and Spencer or maybe Sony Music 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: might be familiar to your listeners. 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and so it sounds like if you're working 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: with lots of different people and lots of different places, 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: it might be hard to build any sort of routine. 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: But you do have a bit of a morning routine, 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: don't you. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I do, and I'm a before Breakfast listener, so 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: I have definitely read up on all sorts of listened 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: up on lots of great routines that I've heard here 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: and on Best of Both Worlds podcasts. So I really 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: enjoy that routine perspective, and right now what our routine 43 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: looks like because It's always shifting a little bit, isn't it. 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: But as we head into winter, I'm not really getting 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: up before seven, but that's the time that we do 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 3: need to be up. My daughter has to be up 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: at seven. She's out the door within half an hour. 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm not the default parent in the morning, though, so 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: sometimes I even get handed a coffee in bed by 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: my husband, which is high luxury, I know, but I 51 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: typically am able. 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: To enjoy my cup of coffee in the morning. 53 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: And then because I'm not the default parent, I'm not 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: rushing around, but I will have one eye on what's 55 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: going on with my two kids. I've got an eight 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: year old and a ten year old. But really what 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about at that point is what is my 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 3: hard stuff that I want to do today. So it's 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: really that swallow the frog stuff I'm not doing like 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: fancy journaling or anything like that. I really just want 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: to get the hard stuff out of the way, and 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: that can look really different on a day to day basis. 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: So I will probably ask myself the day before, what 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: are you putting off here? Like what's not happening right now? 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: What is either demanding some extra motivation from you, some extracognition, 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: so I then know that that's what I'm getting out 67 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: of the way first thing in the morning. And typically 68 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: once I've done that, I'm feeling pretty good and I've 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: got some momentum, and so I'll get a few other 70 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: things out of the way. Then once I'm feeling like 71 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: I've got that chunk out of the way, we're looking 72 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: at nine nine thirty, then I'm heading out the door 73 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: for a walk, could be a run, walk run. Sometimes 74 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: a friend will be dropping a kid off nearby and 75 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: they will join me, and then I'm back, have a 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: delicious coffee, get ready for my clients, and then from 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: eleven o'clock all the way up to four point thirty. 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: If I'm working from home, I will be working with 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: clients all day. That's on a Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: I then have a no meeting day on Mondays and 81 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: not today because we're talking, but often I give myself 82 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: Thursdays off, so I've been working towards that this year. 83 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: So yeah's excite. 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the idea of planning a day off, 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: especially if you have a busy schedule the rest of 86 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: the week. So maybe you could talk about why someone 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: decides to work with a career coach and what they 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: might plan to get out of that sort of experience. 89 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it can depend. 90 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 3: So if they've cut I'm often coming across people through 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: the corporate space, and so they might be either in 92 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: a leadership position, like a chunky leadership position, or they 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: might have missed out on one and that's why they 94 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: might have been recommended for coaching. 95 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: So they might be feeling a little. 96 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: Bit stuck in their career as well as wanting to 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: develop skills that are directly applicable in their current roles. 98 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: Because I also have a podcasting coach, I also have 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: people coming through that, and again, people are looking for clarity. 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: Often they have done the first era of their career. 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: They've done the kind of straightforward steps, maybe met other 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: people's expectations, done the obvious stuff, and now they're at 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: a point where that next stage looks a little bit murkier. 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: They can't necessarily find the exact role model or the 105 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: exact path, and they're struggling to identify what that might 106 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: look like as well as then having. 107 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: The self belief to take some of those steps forward. 108 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so one of the first things you do 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: with people when they come to you is some visioning 110 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: which might describe might sound a little bit ruud to people. 111 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: But so what is practically does it mean to be 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: visioning when it comes to your career? Like, if I'm 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: doing this, what am I sitting down and doing? 114 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, one thing you won't be doing, Laura, is 115 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: you won't be doing a vision board. So we're not 116 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: doing we're not doing the vision board. I would say 117 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: it's almost like the anti vision board because the thing 118 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: about my clients is that they're high achieving, they're quite practical, logical, analytical, 119 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 3: and so that whole vision board stuff just hasn't worked. 120 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: And in some ways that's good. In some ways that 121 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: is bad. What it does mean is they don't really 122 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: have that bigger picture of vision for their career because 123 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: they want to feel like it's a more robust approach. 124 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: So we look at their strengths, not just their strengths, 125 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: but their signature strengths. So when you combine a load 126 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: of strengths, you create some magic. What does that look like? 127 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: Where? 128 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: What does it feel like when they are using those 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: signature strengths tho zone of genius things which they feel 130 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: like they have an almost unfair advantage of using some 131 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: of cal Newbod's language. They're rare and valuable skills because 132 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: we also want those income generative lucrative skills a lot. 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: So we want to spend time identifying what this stuff 134 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: is and there is a little bit of manifestation in it. 135 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: I'm not going to not gonna lie, so we will also, 136 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: but I do that in a way that feels good 137 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: for my corporate clients who are very much not going 138 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: to be falling for the woo rooster. They're setting them 139 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: up for a series of exercises that make them feel 140 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: like when they are now constructing that vision, it's solid. 141 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: It's not just being plucked out of thin air. It's 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: not based on a few magazine cuttings. But then I 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: actually take them through a ideal mourning and I get 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: them to envision that. 145 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, and when you say, look at people's strengths 146 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and how are you determining, how might somebody determine what 147 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: their particular unique strengths are. 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a few different ways. There's some lovely 149 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: assessments out there. So there's a strengths finder, there's a 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: gallop Strengths finder, and there's another positive psychology tool that 151 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: is freely available. I can send a link for that one. 152 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: So there are some specific tools for those who want 153 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: that specificity, they want to feel like they're drawing from 154 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: an existing framework, but sometimes that's not necessary. Sometimes it's 155 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: just about asking a series of questions. Say, okay, where 156 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: are the areas where you get lit up? Where are 157 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: the areas that you find you're able to do things 158 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: more rapidly? You light up, you're energized by doing them 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: as well as often complemented. And one of the exercises 160 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: actually that I get people to do is go and 161 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: ask others what people think their strengths are. And I 162 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: will often have clients coming back to you saying, you 163 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: know what, that part was very useful because I probably 164 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: underestimated or took for granted some of my strength. So 165 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: having that outside perspective, often from people that are close 166 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: to you, that see you in a great light, but 167 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: a different light than you might see yourself, can be 168 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: really valuable as well. 169 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably fun to go about asking people, Hey, 170 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: what do you see as my strongest my strongest suits exactly. Well, 171 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick ad break and then 172 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Maya Guodca. Well, 173 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: we are back. This is one of the longer episodes 174 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: of Before Breakfast where I am interviewing career coach Maya Goudca. 175 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: She is also, you know, been working in lots of 176 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: big organizations for many years and Maya one of the 177 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: things we talked about before this is that there are 178 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: systematic steps people can take to elevate their careers within 179 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: an organization. So you know, sometimes people are like, well, Okay, 180 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to find out my strength and I'm going 181 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: to decide I have to go completely switch careers, I 182 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: have to completely go do something else, which seems like 183 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot of bother What can we do in the 184 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: next couple weeks or so to maybe take things to 185 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: the next level within what we're currently doing. 186 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would say that that north star that 187 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: you would get from giving it having your own vision 188 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: is going to be valuable even when you then start 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: doing these systematic steps, because it will give you a 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: sense of Okay, who are those pivotal people that are 191 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: going to be super aligned with that vision that I 192 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: have for the future. So let's take that that we 193 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: have a bit of that north star going on, which 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: is why it's. 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: The kind of the firstep in the process. 196 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: But once you've got some sense of that, then I 197 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: talk about building up support for yourself in a long 198 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: term way inside an organization. I have a bit of 199 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 3: a spiral for that. So the first bit is understanding 200 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: your unique influencings. So often my clients will tell me 201 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: things like I'm not see sweet material, or I don't 202 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: have that natural charismatic leadership style. Actually, what I see 203 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: now is that there are so many different leadership styles. 204 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: You've just got to own your own and feel comfortable 205 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: with it. So you might have received some feedback over 206 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: time telling you you're too challenging, you're too direct, or 207 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: you're too held back, or you're not the obvious party extravert, 208 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: and people will then feel like they have to put 209 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: a mask on. And what I say is, actually, no, 210 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: let's work with that style. Let's actually lean into your 211 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: original style and let's bring it out. Let's find ways 212 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: for you to use that inside the organization. You're going 213 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: to enjoy that more and it's going to feel more authentic, 214 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: be less exhausting for you. So we spend a bit 215 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: of time thinking about that. The next bit is then 216 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: having done a bit of vision work and thinking about 217 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: where you want to get to next, because you kind 218 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: of need to know that otherwise we're doing it at 219 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: a very tactical level. 220 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: The next bit is thinking about, Okay, who are those. 221 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: Pivotal people that are going to be really helpful unlocking 222 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: next steps in my career, in the success of my 223 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: team as well, so it's not just about you and 224 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: your career, but also like the success of the work 225 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: that you're doing inside the organization. And I get people 226 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: to jot down one to five such people, and I say, 227 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: don't worry. Even if the relationship is like a zero 228 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: out ten right now, if they barely know you, that's 229 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: fine because they're not rushing this. You can start to 230 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: find slow ways, little ways to interact with them. 231 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: So we build up this picture. 232 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: The next stage is then managing some of the more 233 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: tricky relationships, because as well as sometimes feeling like that 234 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: person might them not know them. Sometimes people feel like 235 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: I know somebody that could help me and not in 236 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: my career, but I don't have a good relationship with them. 237 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: In fact, like I think it's a little bit uncomfortable. 238 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: So we think about what we can do on that. 239 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: But because we know which are those important relationships, we 240 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 3: focus the energy on the right ones. I then take 241 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: people through how to make a good ask inside an 242 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: organization because we have a vision, because we know what 243 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: it is that we want to achieve, We know what 244 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: sorts of asks that we want to make, whether that's 245 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: a promotionless a comment, a tool project, a case that 246 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: we want to make for the way that something should 247 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: be done. And I really encourage people, once they've got 248 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: some of those relationships in place, to spend time understanding 249 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: the drivers for you of those key sponsors that they 250 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: are asking us, Like what is important for those sponsors 251 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: right now? How can we position your ask in a 252 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: way that is going to really play to the interest 253 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: of the individual and their commercial interests also their human interests, 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 3: and how can we head off objections that they might have. 255 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: So I go into a lot more detail with that process, 256 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: so I can if you want to ask me more 257 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: about that, we can do that. But the final stage 258 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: is you kind of know your personal style, You've warmed 259 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: up a lot of key relationships, you know how to 260 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: make a case of things. The final bit then is 261 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: some of those more high stakes situations, whether that's like 262 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: the board meeting, a big presentation, a panel interview. That's 263 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: often the point at which people think they need coaching. 264 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: But we've started a lot earlier, and at that stage 265 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: I take time with people to help them understand the 266 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: psychology of setting those up for success. How do you 267 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: contract at the beginning of one of those meetings? How 268 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: do you introduce yourself? And how do you if it's 269 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: something where you are going to know that there's going 270 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: to be quite a challenging discussion. 271 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: How can you contract for things? 272 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: When I say that, what I mean is set the 273 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: tone for how people are going to manage that conversation 274 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: and keep an eye on that during the conversation so 275 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: that you're not hit left field or if the conversation 276 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: seems like it's going to completely out of control, you 277 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: have a way to. 278 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: Bring that back. 279 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: And that's my relational spiral. That's quite a lot there, 280 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: I know I thrown at you. There may be things 281 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: that you want to dive into. 282 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about how you can start. You know, 283 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Let's say that somebody is someone you barely know and 284 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: you have identified them as a key stakeholder in raising 285 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: your profile within an organization, how might you are sent 286 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: to go about building that relationship? I mean, how can 287 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: you do that within the context of a big organization. 288 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: So the first thing is that clients will often realize, 289 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: once we've identified the person, that they do have some 290 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: opportunities to be in the orbit of that individual. It 291 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: could be an event, it could be after a big 292 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: meeting out, could be passing in the corridor, and so 293 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: actually just being aware of those opportunities and leaning into 294 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: them rather than perhaps sort of holding back, which is 295 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: what people can often do. So taking those opportunities, that 296 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: low hanging fruit to start to make the effort to 297 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: have those bigger conversations. So that's the first stage. I 298 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: always say, where are your opportunities, where's your low hanging fruit. 299 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: Then typically there's going to be some sort of a 300 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: project interaction or some sort of a work type interaction 301 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: that you can have with them. It could be that 302 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: you're doing a certain project that is of interest to them, 303 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: and actually then being able to say, by the way, 304 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: we should line up on that because I know you're 305 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: also considering X and Y, and so you can start 306 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: to build up the opportunity if it's not already there. 307 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: To have more meaty conversations, and then ultimately as you're 308 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: starting to have more of those interactions, I always encourage 309 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: people to linger at the start of the conversation, hate 310 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: the time to say, how are you what's exciting for 311 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: you right now? Is it super crazy? Are you going 312 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: to get a chance to have a rest soon? And 313 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: just don't be put off if that is initially met 314 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: with a little bit of oh okay, or it's battered back, 315 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: that's just an indication of that individual right that it's 316 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: not about you. You've not failed if you've leant into 317 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: a little bit more rapport building, and slowly people find 318 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: ways to build up those relationships. And then I always say, 319 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: at some point, if you're really struggling to get that 320 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: common ground and you've had a few small interactions, some 321 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: point you can say, I'd love to have a bit 322 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: of a mental conversation with you and have a coffee 323 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: and pick your brains about specific career things that I 324 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: think are you know one bish I could really get 325 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot of insight from you, so then, you know, 326 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't advise people do that straight away. 327 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to warm them up first before you 328 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: leap into the ask of course, of course, all right, 329 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Well we're going to take one more quick ad break 330 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and then we will be back with Maya Gudka. Well, 331 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: I am back. This is one of the longer episodes 332 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: of Before Breakfast. I am talking to Maya Gudka, who 333 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: is an executive coach. She has worked in leadership development 334 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: with many big corporations. So we've been talking about how 335 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: to build your profile within an organization, how you might 336 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: create a contact that would help you know you move 337 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: through how you get to that ask. And then Maya, 338 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: you were talking earlier about these sort of high stake 339 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,239 Speaker 1: situations like the big meeting where you're giving the big presentation, 340 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: and one of the things you do is work with 341 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: people about how to kind of enjoy that a bit more. 342 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if you can talk a little bit about that. 343 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So people will tell me that their worst fear 344 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: in those is being caught off God, is being are 345 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: something that they don't have an answer to. Is that 346 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: somebody else in the meeting is going to react in 347 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: a strange way and that's going to derail the whole thing. 348 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: So these are some of the fears that people have, 349 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: but being caught off God is one of the biggest ones. 350 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: So often once we can address that, then people can 351 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: relax into that setting a little bit more, And so 352 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: I help people have a bit of a toolkit around that. 353 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: So what are you going to say if somebody catches 354 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: you off? God like, you can just have a toolkit 355 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: for that, which could be something like that is a 356 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: great question. At the moment, I don't have all the 357 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: data on that. What I would say, based on what 358 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: we've already done is X, but let's we will come 359 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: back to you because I think there's a little bit 360 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: more to that one, and just knowing that you have 361 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 3: some ways to respond. And over the years, I remember 362 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: just seeing those who are very expert at this doing 363 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: this sort of thing, and those were often the people 364 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 3: had that real confidence because they weren't afraid of what 365 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: was being thrown at them, so they could really be 366 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 3: there to enjoy the discussion and enjoy the debate. So 367 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: that's one really key way that I work with people 368 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: to overcome some of that so that they can relax 369 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: into the meeting a bit more. 370 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Just anticipate what's going to happen, and have some pocket 371 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: phrases that can even buy them a little time. 372 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: For something, yes, and also take the pressure off of 373 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: this idea that they have to have all the answers. 374 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: I think it's really easy, and it's a real common 375 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: thing amongst my clients that perhaps at a certain stage 376 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: in their career they were relied on more for just 377 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: their knowledge, but they're now at stages where it's not 378 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: just about that, and it's often others that are going 379 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: to have the expertise. They no longer need to have 380 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: all the expertise, but they kind of need to be 381 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: able to marshal it and be able to have good, 382 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 3: live in the moment conversations, even if they're not going 383 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: to be all right or all wrong. 384 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, all, Eric, Well, let's pivot from that to some 385 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: of the strategies you are using to make yourself more productive. 386 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if you have you know, one or two 387 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: twos that have been working for you lately in terms 388 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: of getting more done. 389 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 390 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: This year, the biggest shift for me has come from 391 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: sorting my calendarly out. So I had a business coach 392 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: and she walked us through her week, her typical week, 393 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: and how she started her day a little bit later 394 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: when she was having those intense days, and I thought, 395 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: you know what, I've sort of been doing this subconsciously. 396 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: I've been angling for meetings to start at this time. 397 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: I've been creating space here. There's an automated tool that 398 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: does this. So if I've got a two hour coaching session, 399 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: it will schedule for me a fifteen minute break before 400 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: and office so I can quickly whizz around the block, 401 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 3: re energize and be ready for the next call. And 402 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 3: knowing that that Calendly has been set up in a 403 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: way that I'm really excited about gives me the space 404 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: has been super excited. I've never been one to want 405 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: to hand off my calendar to somebody else and have 406 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: somebody manage that, because in my view, your calendar is 407 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: your temple, and like you don't want to just open 408 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: it up. But knowing that I've been able to input 409 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: into that system and set it up in a way. 410 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, there are glitches sometimes, but I'd 411 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: much rather deal with those here and there, but know 412 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: that the. 413 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: Rough broad structure in a typical week is what it is. 414 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: So that's been great, and I think it's actually enabled 415 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: that day off as well. 416 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean just using Calendly in general, I'm 417 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: sure is helpful for when you have a ton of 418 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: different people trying to schedule time or yeah, worse, moving 419 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: time around. That's sort of the bane of my existence often. 420 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I'd always been using scheduling tool that it's 421 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 3: impossible to do what I do multiple conversations per week 422 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: without having a scheduling tool. But what I hadn't done 423 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: was take the time to look at those calendar settings 424 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 3: and really set them up in a way that was 425 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: going to work for me, make sure those days looked 426 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: good to me, and make sure that they were in 427 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: some ways I guess they're compressed, and that's been really 428 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: helpful as well, and also exactly as you say, then 429 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 3: making the rescheduling process super easy so that people can 430 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: go away and do that, so I will often now 431 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: not have to have any to do with that. It's 432 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: just happening and I can see somebody's rescheduled something, and 433 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 3: I know it's going to be fine because I know 434 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: it's within those parameters. 435 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: And the idea of taking a little bit of time 436 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: before and after an intense call, I mean, how can 437 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: you sort of what are you doing within that to 438 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: manage your energy so that you can then be on 439 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: for the next one. 440 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So my default is I've got a little loop 441 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: that I can walk around, and I know that it 442 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: takes me about twelve minutes, so that's my default. I 443 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: just go around the block, clear my head, and I'm 444 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: ready for another call. I typically don't have too many 445 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 3: two hour blocks in a day, but if I've got 446 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 3: one of those, I know I'm going to need some 447 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: space either before or after. If I've got more of 448 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: like one hour call, which is another frequent time timespan 449 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: that I would have, I'm kind of okay to go 450 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 3: for a couple of those back to back. But the 451 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: main thing for me is that I've got to get 452 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: a bit of fresh air and get away from it. 453 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: It just do something different for a bit, to take 454 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: a real yeah break and move. Yes, definitely good for 455 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: managing energy. I know if you could tell us. One 456 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: of the taglines of the show is you know, taking 457 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: our days from great to awesome. What is something you've 458 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: done recently to take a day from great to awesome? 459 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: Well, my Mondays have definitely gone from great to awesome 460 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: because I have found a local dance class and it's 461 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: in the evening. 462 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: I've always loved. 463 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: Dance, and this one is local at a super high standard, 464 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: and I think it's just kicks all the boxes. The 465 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: fact that it's down the road means that there's very 466 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: little chance of me missing it, and so I'm in 467 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: bed by ten o'clock. 468 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: But I feel like I've had a bit of. 469 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: A night out on a Monday, so that's been really good. 470 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of dance are you doing? 471 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: This is a Bollywood dance class, but the music that 472 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: she uses, she'll integrate lots of other types into. I 473 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: used to be in a professional dance troupe that was Bollywood, 474 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: which is this specific type of Indian dancing. But yeah, 475 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: it's brilliant. 476 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: And are you going to be performing anytime soon or 477 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: is it not working for that? 478 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: This one isn't This one is a routine per week 479 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: which we then perform to the cat to our own cameras, 480 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: which we can then film. But I have performed quite 481 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: a lot in the past. I've performed in the Olympics 482 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: opening ceremony, I've performed. 483 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: At various events. 484 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: So right now I'm kind of enjoying it for its 485 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: own sake, But who knows, now that I've got back 486 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: into it. 487 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: You never know. 488 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: I never know. Maybe the next Olympics you'll be performing 489 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: in that one. Yeah, exactly could happen, and this could happen. Yeah, 490 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: all right, well, Maya, why don't you let our listeners 491 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: know where they can find you. 492 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have the Executive Coach podcast. If you 493 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: just type in the Executive Coach podcast, you should be 494 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: able to find me. And then if you're interested in 495 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: the career stuff, I have a career blind spots checklist 496 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: that you can down overrom my website and that is Maya. 497 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: Ma Ya goodkagu DKA dot com. You can head over 498 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: there and get hold of that. 499 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: All right. Well, I'm sure we all have some career 500 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: blind spots that we should be aware of and would 501 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: be good to figure out. So Maya, thank you so 502 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: much for joining us, and thank you to everyone for listening. 503 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: I welcome feedback on these longer episodes or any ideas 504 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: or topics you would like to see me discuss on 505 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: before breakfast, and as always, you can reach me at 506 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. So in the meantime, 507 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's to making 508 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: the most of our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. 509 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: If you've got questions, ideas, or feedback, you can reach 510 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 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