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Speaker 1: Yo yo yo. We live on location. Me and the

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Speaker 1: blackest one here in Orlando. We local man today. We

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Speaker 1: got the Atlanta Hawks legend in time, we got top

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Speaker 1: seventy five all time Hall of Fame going leader. He

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Speaker 1: got a lot of whole fuckers, but listen. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: he is known as the human highlight. Filmy today. Oh

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Speaker 1: aka twenty one, we got Meek Antique Meek in the bill,

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Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, o G. I appreciate it. I should

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Speaker 2: have never told you that I like that. Nigga's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's good. First off, like, thank you, like

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Speaker 2: you the first twenty one twenty one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right man, all right, you the first twenty one,

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Speaker 3: the first of all us that we looked up to

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Speaker 3: getting them buckets dunking the way you're dunking.

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Speaker 2: So it's definitely an honor and a privilege to thank you, man.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for having me. I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: Paris friends. I never knew you were born in Paris,

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Speaker 3: fresh Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My dad was in the military, like I think my

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Speaker 4: dad twenty six years army and my sister and I

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Speaker 4: was born there and we moved to the States I

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Speaker 4: think I was five or six. My actually my sister

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Speaker 4: spoke fluent French, you know at that time. But and

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Speaker 4: I used to go back, you know, once a year,

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Speaker 4: you know, because I had a nanny actually, who gave

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Speaker 4: me the name Dominique.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah. So what was the first place you

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Speaker 2: moved to? Baltimore, Maryland.

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Speaker 4: That's where I grew up at rough Baltimore, be Moore, Moore.

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Speaker 2: Until I was sixteen.

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Speaker 4: I left home when I was sixteen, Okay, to Baltimore

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Speaker 4: was rough Man, and I saw a friend of mine,

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Speaker 4: you know, die, and I remember telling my mom, I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm leaving.

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Speaker 2: I can't live in this city anymore.

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Speaker 4: And I left home when I was sixteen when North

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Speaker 4: Carolina got discovered on the playground the next morning, and

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Speaker 4: I remember this older guy, he said, hey, son, you

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Speaker 4: He said, well where you're going you leave here? I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. So he looked at me and he said,

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Speaker 4: you can have all this, you just have to play

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Speaker 4: for my high school team. He was a high school

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Speaker 3: When you picked up the ball? So you picked up

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Who introduced you to it? Where was the playground legend

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Speaker 4: to the Boy's club every day because it wasn't the

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Speaker 4: boys and girls music, and then it was Big Harold,

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Speaker 4: so all we knew him was Big Harol. And I

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Speaker 4: work out with him. And he's teaching me the game

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Speaker 4: He said. You're going to owe me, he said, but

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Speaker 4: you know, it's funny to the old guys used to

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Speaker 4: That's the way it was, man. But I owe a

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Speaker 4: he gave you the fundamentals yet right here and spend move.

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Speaker 4: And the crazy thing I didn't see him for had

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Speaker 4: Man, we had emotional moment, brought him out in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell my kids to accept the help with

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Speaker 4: Different now, because you know, help is good if you're

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Speaker 2: But you've got a lot of kids that I don't

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Speaker 4: I want to receive it, so you know, we're here

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Speaker 4: willing to receive that that gift because that's what it is,

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Speaker 2: So it's changed a lot. Now.

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Speaker 1: Had you had you played ball before you left Baltimore

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Speaker 4: We played playground basketball, right, I didn't play organized basketball

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Speaker 4: But on the playground that she was all right. I

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Speaker 2: What was it? Hops? Like early hops was like yeah

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Speaker 4: My first dunk was at twelve and a half thirteen

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Speaker 3: Y'all was jumping on my instance, like we were jumping

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Speaker 4: My dad was a very athletic guy too, so we

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Speaker 4: You weren't gonna ask you my kind of questions. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was just I was almost confused. No, I just

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Speaker 4: I'm still into this. So you went to North Carolina.

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Speaker 4: And when you went to North Carolina, you went to

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Speaker 4: Everybody is, but you know, I grew uprom Baltimore, man,

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Speaker 4: But the craziest thing is three of our starting five

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So we went six eight, six eight and a half

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Speaker 2: That was our starting lineup in high school. That's crazy, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Was big man, It was big and man, when I

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Speaker 4: But we won the championship. Actually, we won I think

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Speaker 3: So you graduated, and you guys now so that when

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Speaker 2: I think it was a street Smiths, but yeah, we

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Speaker 4: And the colleges started yeah, yeah, and I think it

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Speaker 4: was the second annual McDonald's game, because magic within the first.

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Speaker 4: So I came out with James Worthy and Isaiah Thomas

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Speaker 4: years back at the greatest high school senior class ever.

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Speaker 2: Man, it was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you've seen your name as as

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Speaker 2: Back then, you didn't get a visual of them. No,

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Speaker 3: Person in black and white that name is might be

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Speaker 3: above yours, But how was that? Just to see your name,

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Speaker 3: your family's name Wilkins on that list and to be one.

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Speaker 4: Of the a great feeling. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to know who was ranked ahead of men.

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Speaker 4: I needed to play against this brother, because you know,

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Speaker 4: cause James Worth, myself and a guy named Derek Hord.

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Speaker 4: So we was known that the best small fortune of

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Speaker 4: and I said, we want to play against this guy, Derrek,

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Speaker 4: we wouldn't see what he's about. Yeah, And so we

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Speaker 4: took turns of getting that him. Yes, sir, he was

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Speaker 4: the high pitch. Yeah yeah, but that ranking changed very quickly,

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Speaker 4: you know. But that's that was our mentality. But just

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Speaker 4: to see your name amongst the best in the country, man,

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Speaker 4: that's an unbelievable feeling.

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Speaker 3: Now you get hit with the McDonald's game like you've

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Speaker 3: man down the list, make this McDonalds game. It was

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Speaker 4: If you made the McDonald's game, you arrived basically because

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Speaker 2: Intense was how was the? Game? Like how was the

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Speaker 4: Winning AND i remember they gave THE mvp To Clark

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Speaker 4: kellogg and you know the gentleman that he, is you,

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Speaker 4: know and he, said, look you had a great. Game

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Speaker 4: you were in this more THAN i. Did and he

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Speaker 4: had the trophy to me at the McDonald's. Game but it,

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Speaker 4: yeah that was, man that was a great. Moment but

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Speaker 3: Was it'sprainly, because LIKE i, know when we went to

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Speaker 2: Weekend it was a, ceremony it was a ring.

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Speaker 3: Giving it was all that the second annual was was

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Speaker 4: That no, More you'll just show by time we got

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Speaker 4: that BECAUSE i never heard, nobody you, KNOW i mean

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Speaker 4: we got all rings and all that. Stuff but it

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Speaker 4: wasn't like two three day. Events, OKAY i, mean of

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Speaker 2: For like we.

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Speaker 4: Practiced the first day we got there and we played

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Speaker 4: BUT i remember going to the first BECAUSE i got

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Speaker 4: there a little late And James worthy was all And

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Speaker 4: i'm WATCHING i come, In James worthy is working.

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Speaker 2: On i'm, Like i'm, like, damn That's James, worthy.

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Speaker 4: You, know because we never these guys first time saying

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Speaker 4: Grade, yeah but he was working SO i had getting,

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Speaker 4: that had to make a statement because you, know you,

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Speaker 4: know he was the household name, there. Right SO i

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Speaker 2: Across i'm looking at rim and it got.

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Speaker 4: Quiet five second Later Edie, ruptor that's that skinny kid From,

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Speaker 4: best in state, Too So James worth and not the

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Speaker 4: only thing we have. Regretted we talked about it from

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Speaker 4: play against one another in high school because he's From,

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Speaker 4: Gatstonia North, carolina and we often joke. It but you

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Speaker 4: can still see the little tension, yea you, know but

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Speaker 4: it's just people.

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Speaker 3: In the state that everybody was talking. About you got

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Speaker 3: Boy so that's that's.

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Speaker 2: What that's what deferred your decision not to go To North.

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Speaker 4: Carolina the, state it's a lot of stuff to go

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Speaker 4: in To.

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Speaker 2: Waiie you could have been anybody else But.

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Speaker 4: Georgia ACTUALLY i signed a letter of intent With North Carolina,

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Speaker 4: state Oh wittenburg and loaded the. Year, yeah the second

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Speaker 4: year they won the national Champions, yeah And. Georgia you,

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Speaker 4: know they came in and painted a wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Picture AND i leave it at. That, yeah wear it,

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Speaker 2: up leave it at.

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Speaker 4: That but it, was, hey look these guys are getting

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Speaker 4: there do now and what they are getting in college

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Speaker 4: and stuff like that to support.

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Speaker 2: Themselves, Yeah i'm all for.

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Speaker 3: It, yeah, Yeah oh, NO i think that our idea

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Speaker 3: is are it's a game.

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Speaker 2: Changer it should have been done long time.

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Speaker 3: Ago it was a lot of money that was just

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Speaker 3: going and going and, going and we risked our careers

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Speaker 3: in freedom for whatever we had to go through to

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Speaker 2: We needed to get.

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Speaker 4: To, man they a lot of money college, sports and

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Speaker 4: back then when you couldn't buy a kid a. Hamburger,

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Speaker 4: yeah when you were get in, trouble it's. Ridiculous, yeah you,

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Speaker 4: know So i'm for whatever these guys get mobile to.

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Speaker 2: Them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah how was it when you actually got to, school

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Speaker 1: after you commit and you go through the process and

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Speaker 1: you get, there what was that, like going from from

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Speaker 1: high school to?

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Speaker 2: College, man it, was it was it.

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Speaker 4: Was it was nerve wrecking really because in them days

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Speaker 4: when you got recruited by, everybody you, KNOW i got

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Speaker 4: recruited by finding some schools and so he had to

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Speaker 4: narrow it down to like five, five you, know and

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Speaker 4: that was a tough process because back, then if you

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Speaker 4: were a great player in the state Of North, carolina

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Speaker 2: Saying it was almost like how they get.

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Speaker 4: YOU i was the one of the first ones to

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Speaker 4: buck the, system you, know and WHEN i decided to

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Speaker 4: go To. Georgia it's like all hell bro. Blows they

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Speaker 4: went from loving me to hate.

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Speaker 2: Me that's WHAT i. Like you, know they gave me

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Speaker 2: all fum.

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Speaker 4: Transcript they pour paint on the mom's car AND i

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Speaker 4: had a cross burning in my.

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Speaker 2: Yard what, yeah yeah that. Was that.

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Speaker 4: Was that was a scary moment Because i've seen this

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Speaker 4: big light out side of my living room window and

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Speaker 4: decide to see what it.

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Speaker 2: Is it's a.

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Speaker 4: CROSS i got death. Threats DEATH i mean, MALE i

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Speaker 4: MEAN i had a box full of death. Threats it

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Speaker 4: blasphemy for the top player Now North carolina man back

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Speaker 4: then MANY i tell you crazy BECAUSE i got to

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Speaker 4: it was gonna arrest me and put me in the

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Speaker 4: police cause so they SAID i stole something out of

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Speaker 4: this apartment. Store at the, TIME i had three thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars in my pocket the, tape this tape was like four,

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Speaker 4: bucks you, know, really and so they called the. Police

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Speaker 4: stay taking me to the police. Station and my, uncle

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Speaker 4: who was a police, officer he, said you no, What

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Speaker 4: i'm not gonna take you to the police.

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Speaker 2: States we're gonna take you. Home we're gonna pack.

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Speaker 4: Y'all so we're getting you out of the, state and

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Speaker 4: so my whole family moved AND i didn't go back

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Speaker 4: for thirty. Years, yeah moved To georgia till they put

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Speaker 4: my statue up In. Atlanta moved To. Atlanta your brothers and, everybody, everybody,

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Speaker 4: Man that's WHY i love The state Of georgia and

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Speaker 4: the university because they took care of my, family you,

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Speaker 4: know going through that tough.

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Speaker 2: Time. Yeah, yeah you're a great player in the state

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Speaker 2: doing them. Days you don't leave THE.

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Speaker 3: Sec we'll talk about The Bucket star of twenty one

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Speaker 3: and five or whatever you you was giving. OUT i

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Speaker 3: was like the play because you, know like it's another level.

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Speaker 3: Up you don't see these guys and so forth. On

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Speaker 3: but now you're in college and everybody.

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Speaker 2: Grow. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: YEAH i mean WHEN i got to, college, man it

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Speaker 4: was like it was LIKE i was already seen in my.

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Speaker 4: MIND i was already ready to play on elite. Level

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Speaker 4: SO i kind of stood out the first day we started.

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Speaker 4: Practice at that, Time georgia has never been to AN

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Speaker 4: Nc DOUBLE a tournament since nineteen thirty, four and we

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Speaker 4: went to a tournament the first year we got. There

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Speaker 4: it was five of us that came there together high

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Speaker 4: school All americans THAT i was the First fab. Five

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Speaker 4: it was nothing but, ATHLETES i, mean and so we

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Speaker 4: kind of, set you, know the. Tone we were kind

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Speaker 4: of standing the bearers of what they ultimately became because

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Speaker 4: they went TO nc double a twenty more times after,

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Speaker 4: that you, know so and you, KNOW i got a

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Speaker 4: lot of. Flak you, know you pass Up North, Carolina

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Speaker 4: duke And North carolina they.

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Speaker 2: Wake far as to go To.

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Speaker 4: Georgia, yeah AND i, said you know, what if you

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Speaker 4: can play They discovery In, alaska it don't. Matter and

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Speaker 4: that was just my. Mentality, well you want to play

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Speaker 4: of The. Year how did that feel? Feel it was

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Speaker 4: great because it's been a long time since anybody At

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Speaker 4: university Of georgia has ever gotten that. Award so that

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Speaker 4: was special for me because THE sec at that time

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Speaker 4: and there had some, talent you, know the, LSU's The,

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Speaker 4: kentucky's Man, alabama they had. Talent so to be recognized

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Speaker 4: as when the best, conference, yeah, Man kentucky was a.

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Speaker 2: Monster.

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Speaker 1: Man at what point did you know, like all, Right

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Speaker 1: i'm going to THE, Nba like as far as like

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Speaker 1: when you were in, college like as far As i'm,

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Speaker 1: Scoring i'm, scoring AND i knew.

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Speaker 4: IT i knew in high. SCHOOL i just. KNEW i

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Speaker 4: mean in high. SCHOOL i averaged thirty and sixteen in high,

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Speaker 4: school you. Know SO i was, like IF i can

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Speaker 4: put up these kinds the numbers, HERE i ain't got

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Speaker 4: no problem going to the next. Level, again when that's your,

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Speaker 4: mentality that's the way you. Think, man you kind of

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Speaker 4: you stay ahead of the next. Guy that was my

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Speaker 4: that's in my, opinion and because you prepared yourself to

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Speaker 4: get to that. Level so, Coming but funny thing coming

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Speaker 4: in THE, NBA i was already prepared BECAUSE i played

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Speaker 4: all the greatest players in the league in the summer,

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Speaker 4: league you. Know so we would travel around the country With,

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Speaker 4: Magic DOCTOR J. Bird all of a, sudden you was already.

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Speaker 4: Playing So i'm already playing with. Them so when the seasons,

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Speaker 4: Started i'm, like ain't no big. Deal, yeah because when

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Speaker 4: you're playing With magic and you're going To doc and

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Speaker 4: burn out king all them, guys who else better in

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Speaker 4: the league than them?

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Speaker 3: Guys so tell us about some of them, runs some

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Speaker 3: of them summer, runs like where they was, at what

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Speaker 3: city they were.

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Speaker 4: Saying and we had teams in different, Cities LIKE i

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Speaker 4: had a team In. Atlanta moses had a team In.

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Speaker 4: Houston then you had magic. Teams so we used to travel.

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Speaker 4: Around and When i'm saying them, games, man we going at.

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Speaker 4: It it ain't no let you, SCORE i. Score it was, competing,

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Speaker 4: man it was. Competition were trying to blow. Y'all y'all

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Speaker 4: come through in the, gyms be.

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Speaker 2: Packed.

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Speaker 4: Man we would go at like the au sent it

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Speaker 4: like over the clock and spell man the schools and,

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Speaker 4: uh we would have games over, there and then we

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Speaker 4: would go To.

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00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 2: Houston we would go To la and places like just

438
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: play pick. Up people used to come and watch y'all

439
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 2: and it was sold out every. Game every.

440
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 4: Man you look all the great players you got playing

441
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: in those. Games you, know people wanted to people wanted

442
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 4: to see.

443
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: That how was your process of declaring and saying, like all,

444
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 1: Right i'm gonna go to the.

445
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: League and it Wasn't David stern, yet? Right? Uh, yeah,

446
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 2: no no it.

447
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 4: Wasn't it Wasn't. Stern David stern came maybe three four years.

448
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: After so how was y'all process that y'all get? Drafted?

449
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: Now so was it like in a room or did

450
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: you walk across the stage and say we're, saying, yeah

451
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: we did. It we were, Yeah and ACTUALLY i THOUGHT

452
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: i was going to The, lakers the number one.

453
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 4: Pack we know this, story we know, this but WHAT

454
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: i was WHAT i was told this cup check got.

455
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 4: Hurt so they wanted to go with the forward to

456
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 4: play both. Forwards so they, went we're, worthy AND i

457
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 4: know IF i didn't go, ONE i would go, three which,

458
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 4: okay you couldn't have went wrong with anywhere you. Went

459
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 4: as the thing, is we had so we had big.

460
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: Game james on this is about what about a month,

461
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: ago and he was telling us the. Story he was

462
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: like the thing that he was surprised that he was

463
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna go, there but he was like because he, said

464
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: he was, LIKE i, Mean dominic was the better player coming.

465
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 2: Out he was, like he was the better, scorer he

466
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: averaged more.

467
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: Points but he was like he felt like The lakers

468
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to get that, pick and so they didn't

469
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: want somebody as good as. You they felt like you

470
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: were too. Talent they needed somebody who could.

471
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 4: Like Jerry west wanted, Me Jerry bust wanted that was

472
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 4: that was the. Thing but and then you, KNOW i

473
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: think maybe a week or so they tried to get us.

474
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: Both But atlanta wasn't going for, that and we're not

475
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: making this trade but going for The. Gusto imagine what

476
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 4: that team would have. Been that would have been treating

477
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 4: like imagine to throw it. Anyway it wouldn't have. Mattered,

478
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 4: man how was it.

479
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: When you was about to get drafted and the team?

480
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: Workouts did you have to workout? For we didn't do

481
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 3: workouts do like you number?

482
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: Third WHEN i, came we came in the, league no.

483
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: Workouts it wouldn't work. Out you didn't tip, five we'll

484
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: go through that. Ship we. Didn't we didn't do none of.

485
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: That ye do none of them? Workouts you know who we?

486
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: Are? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you know twenty one and

487
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: like you, know, hey third, pick we'll see you the.

488
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: Draft we know what you get picked number, Three, Utah

489
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: i'm a number three pick you cause you, KNOW.

490
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: I. DON'T i don't.

491
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: KNOW i had a couple of number threes this season

492
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: three parts.

493
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: Cold but To, UTAH i was. CLUELESS i never knew. That,

494
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: YEAH i never knew. THAT i thought it was Always.

495
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 4: Atlanta just To Steve france as, well because this is

496
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 4: what they said to me when they, drafted and they

497
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 4: Said Adrian danny gonna play small for it and you're

498
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 4: gonna play power. FOR i, said, well y'all always trade me.

499
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 4: Today i'm not playing power For But i'm too. Ten

500
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 4: i'm not playing. Crazy trade me. TODAY i ain't coming

501
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 4: and Uh unluckily for. Me you, Know atlanta made that.

502
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 4: Trade AND i think the biggest reason why BECAUSE i

503
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 4: used to travel around With. Magic we should play all these,

504
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: games and they saw me up close and personal all these.

505
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: Games they're, like, yeah we need to make this. Trade

506
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: and then The magic had a lot to do with. That,

507
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: Man atlanta was perfect for. You i'm, TALKING i don't

508
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: see you in no other. Way BUT i didn't know

509
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 4: That utah actually. DRAGGED i thought Always atlanta. Was so

510
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 4: they traded at that. Time you, know two players and

511
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: a million dollars back the.

512
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Two, Players and that's What i'm. Saying that's the word most.

513
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: History LIKE i had to read the name no. Disrespect

514
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: i've never heard those.

515
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: Two but you look who came a year after it

516
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: was stocking them alone came To.

517
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: Utah, yeah so they got that right.

518
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 4: Up so you know they got good in a, hurry you.

519
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 4: Know but, man that, again you just think about the

520
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: guys you could have played. With, yeah crazy when you

521
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: first got to the. League who was the first person

522
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: to bush Rus DOCTOR. J.

523
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Doctor, Yeah i'm gonna tell. You.

524
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: So WHEN i first played against Doctor, MAN i, Said,

525
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 4: MAN i grew up wanted to be like, YOU i

526
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: mean all because that's you, Know and he had like

527
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: thirty something against.

528
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Me, MAN i wasn't. Upset that's the, doc the dial Get.

529
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 4: But you KNOW i had a good game against, him

530
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 4: BUT i WAS i was proud to be on the

531
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 4: floor of the, doc but over the like, okay, now,

532
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: okay after that is now you saying it was On you,

533
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: know we had great games against one.

534
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: Another BUT i had a lot of respect for.

535
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 4: Doctors but my first eight, games, man it's LIKE i

536
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: played against Eight hall Of Famous back then you had

537
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: to guard each. Other, yes, no ain't no. Hiding, yeah

538
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: you know because my friend Got larry at six, Ten Bernard,

539
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: KING i Got Larry nancy six, ELEVEN i Got DOCTOR,

540
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: J Marcael, Guire Marcus johns and all these guys getting

541
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: over twenty five and the bucket gives. Us, yeah you,

542
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: know tell me about tell me about the first time

543
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: you Played bird and how that rivalry Began bird's. Funny

544
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: so you know, AGAIN i, mean we're in The Boston.

545
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: Garden i'm in awe because, this you, know this is you,

546
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 4: know mystique of The Boston. Garden AND i remember the

547
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: first we was at the jump circle AND i go

548
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 4: Shake Larry bird's. Hand he put both hands behind his,

549
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: back you, know, Like i'm, like you know, what maybe

550
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: just getting into the. Game you, Know i'm trying to

551
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 4: give it the benefit down the first play the game

552
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: guard and he, SAID i don't know why they got

553
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 4: you guarding me homes and.

554
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: Three AND i.

555
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: Wasn't mad he made the. THREE i said, something it's

556
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: just called me. Homes oh, MAN i was so. Mad

557
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 4: So i'm coming down the left side AND i go

558
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: up in the fast making and he comes out to my.

559
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: Gun i'm pumping it behind my head and he. JUMPS i,

560
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: SAID i got. Him.

561
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: Boom he's sitting down on the. Ground i'm pointing like,

562
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: this he, Said Hey, Brook i'm like what he. SAID

563
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 4: i like you we got, Balls But i'm still getting

564
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: forty on your?

565
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: Ass what about thirty? Eight SO i had to pay my.

566
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: Dude it was you know what was?

567
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: It because you played them over the, Years, like what

568
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: was it About bird that was so? Special because these

569
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: guys See luke and they be, like, man he's not

570
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: the fast that he don't jump the.

571
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: Highs, Man, LISTEN i hate when they compare people To. Larry,

572
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: Yeah larry. Was he was a. PHENOMENON i ain't never

573
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: seen anybody like him that not super, athletic but he

574
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: beat you in so so small As SO i Remember

575
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: kevin McHale got fifty. SIX i forget who it, was

576
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: And larry, Said i'm gonna break your record Against atlanta

577
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: public he said, Publicly i'm, like, shit, no, no not against.

578
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: Us.

579
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: Crazy he had sixty the next, night. Damn and he

580
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: was so. High he was shooting threes with his left

581
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: And i'm, like and that.

582
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: Was the game that everybody was just jumping, off.

583
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: Was, celebrating you, know and didn't even talk about forty

584
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: SOMETHING i had and they said he had.

585
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: Sixty.

586
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: Bro SO i remember we go back To atlanta and

587
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: Said i'm gonna return to favor AND i tried to get.

588
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: SIXTY i had another fifty four of that, game but

589
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 4: but he was something. Else, Man he's like six, TEN i,

590
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: mean great, passer great, rebounder unbelievable score and just just

591
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 4: super smart.

592
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 2: Basketball but he had the heart of A he had

593
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: the heart of a line.

594
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: Man, yeah and so WHAT i hit people compare it

595
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 4: TO i, Laugh i'm, like, yeah. Okay you, know so

596
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: from that one first jump ball where he went behind

597
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: the back and, said no, five, y'all never ever shook

598
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: up again your. Career but we had The but the

599
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 4: thing is that we had the utmost, respect mutual respect,

600
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 4: fees you, know because he often, times you, know say

601
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: great things about, men and you don't know that he

602
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: feel that. Way because we were. Competitors we couldn't Let

603
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: but you know, what we never after that one one,

604
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: moment we never talked trast each.

605
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: Other never he had. Them that's the respect right.

606
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 4: Now some, guys he would, say look this next, play

607
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: we come, Out i'm gonna win the game on this,

608
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 4: spot And i'm gonna bush you right in your. Face

609
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: you come out that, spot shoot game. Over now you

610
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: in the.

611
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: League now you you're getting your feet with and you,

612
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: KNOW i know you was playing all summer With magic and.

613
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Everybody but now this this team. Ball you know What i'm.

614
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: Saying you on the, team you got other, Players Kevin

615
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: willis and all these other.

616
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: Guys that's on the on the.

617
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Team, yeah and you you want to make your niche

618
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: in this. League you want to make noise in the whole,

619
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: league to, know all right now when you play The Atlanta,

620
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: hawks now it's me over.

621
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: Here, well you couldn't be like that back, then even

622
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 4: though you KNOW i was leading or but it was

623
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: it came organically in a, flow you. Know AND i

624
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: was always the one who wanted to finish the. PLAY

625
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: i didn't want to start to, play you. Know so

626
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: we get the, Rebound i'm hitting it to the guard

627
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 4: And i'm hitting the, lane and so people looking at

628
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: you know when you look at all the, points BUT

629
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: i didn't dominate the ball at. All you, know, again

630
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: you wanted to get to them guards and let them

631
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: make the, decision you, know how they run the offense

632
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: who they get it, to because they knew IF i

633
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: got on the, break they of course they trying to

634
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: find me on the. Break BUT i also let my,

635
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: teammates you, know if they're having a great, night you

636
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: let them have their. Night you. KNOW i didn't care

637
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: IF i was the leading scorer at. All but because

638
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: of the way our team was our makeup of our.

639
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: Team IF i didn't get thirty at, night it was

640
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: hard for us to win in The east because we.

641
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: DIDN'T i never had another great player in their. Prime

642
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: when you play in The East, wind you got two

643
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: or three teams and got two or Three hall Of

644
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: famers on them, teams and where you're going against one

645
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: on our. Team so every NIGHT i had to bring

646
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: it every, night especially in The Eastern, conference.

647
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: Especially in the. Evening, yeah, school after, school you. Know

648
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: AND i never feared anybody.

649
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: Play, yeah but it's one guy that made me nervous

650
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: WHEN i, played and that Was Bernard. King, yeah because

651
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: he getting. Forty ain't nothing you can do about, it you.

652
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: SAID i, said, LOOK i know this guy gonna get.

653
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: FORTY i, said So i'm gonna get. Forty we just

654
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: gonna call it a. Wash it ain't killing myself trying

655
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: to say him.

656
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: The only way you could ask, HIM i was getting forty.

657
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: With playing BECAUSE i obviously we, know but these young

658
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: people do not know About bernard and she have a

659
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: three point. Line at, first when he first started getting

660
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: bucket bro he.

661
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: Got sixty sixty back to back, nights then shoot a single.

662
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: Three he had average fifty on The West coast. Trip that's.

663
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Crazy and he had a bum. Knee, yeah eastern dragon.

664
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: Knee my coach used to, Say mike For teller, Said,

665
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: nick when you play Against, bernard meet him at the half,

666
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: court like, MAN i ain't meeting him at half. COURT

667
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: i found out very quickly what he, meant because if

668
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: you didn't meet him at half, court you were like,

669
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: this he was gone and you look. Up if they

670
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: had thirty thirty five and he was another guy didn't

671
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: shake your. Hand he would look at you like he

672
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: was looking through. GLASS i used to turn around like,

673
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: SHIT i KNOW i got to play. Tonight he's. Coming

674
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: but he was one of the most feared small foys

675
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: in THE, nba no question about. It you Asked, iceman

676
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: you Asked english And dantley About Bernark. King, yes buried

677
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: him about and doctor j About Bernard. King he was

678
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: for real bro, physical too, physical you. Know and LIKE i,

679
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: said how we had to guard each other man BECAUSE

680
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: i didn't want to guard the power for. It that's

681
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: like you said, before that's another weight.

682
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Class you.

683
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: KNOW i didn't want to guard a shooting card BECAUSE

684
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: i didn't want to chase him.

685
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: Guy so exactly guard your.

686
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: Guy how was it when you first heard that you

687
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: was making your First All star?

688
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: Game? Man, man how did you feel LIKE.

689
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: I died when the you, know because that back then

690
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: you're talking about the honor and the privilege to make

691
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: An All star. Team you, KNOW i think about, second third,

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: Year i'm asked in twenty seven and we win, it

693
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: AND i couldn't make. IT i got to beat Out

694
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: DOCTOR j who's, Established Bernard king who's, Established Larry bird who,

695
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: established And Marcus johnson who. Established he ain't making in

696
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: front of, them, guys, man you, know because they picked

697
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: all start against by position back. Then so ONCE i

698
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: made my first, ONE i made nine. Straight that was

699
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: they let me. IN i, said y'ain't get me out?

700
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: Now oh, Yeah i'm just. DONE i, SAID i don't.

701
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: Care, yeah, man that was great, man to play with

702
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: all those greats on one.

703
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: Team.

704
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: Unbelievable all, Right as you guys, know we've been giving

705
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: away digital collectibles on each. Episode the secret word for

706
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: this episode is human highlight real all lower, case no.

707
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: SPACES i want to talk about the dunk. Contest when

708
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: did you, decide, like, Yeah i'm gonna do. THIS i

709
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: could win, it and, like when did you feel like

710
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: you became a dunk?

711
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: King did you take pride in?

712
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: That and knowing like That DOCTOR j was the guy

713
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: from A ba and all of those, things like how

714
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: was that for you the first?

715
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: Time, well the first time it WAS i even looked

716
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: at the dunk. Contest it Was DOCTOR j And David,

717
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: thompson Heights man and all, them so you, know you

718
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: wanted to try to follow in their. Footsteps so the

719
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: first TIME i got in the dunk, CONTEST i was

720
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: in awe because Doctor i'm going to Get Doctor jay,

721
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: Right and SO i really didn't do that well because

722
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: Again i'm It's DOCTOR.

723
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: J you, Know i'm still, There i'm still a.

724
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: Fan but that second contest that next, YEAR i was,

725
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: Like i'm not going to, Participate i'm going to. Win

726
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: and SO i won that first one that next, YEAR

727
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: i think it was In. Indiana we enjoyed doing it

728
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: for the. Fans it wasn't about, us it was about

729
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: the fans doing it for the. Fans and the only

730
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: way you measure your greatness play against and compete against the,

731
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: greatest in my, opinion and so being in The, duncon

732
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: you had the greatest athletes in the league going at,

733
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: it and so for, Me i'm, LIKE i want to

734
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: be a part of.

735
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: That tell me the difference like or if you see

736
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't because like what we grew up, on like

737
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: what you're talking, about it was the best of the,

738
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: best You, michael like you, said DOCTOR. J David, thompson it.

739
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Was it wasn't just like the Best. Dunkles it was

740
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: like y'all was the superstars in the league, Too like

741
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: what do you what do you see that is different

742
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: than our superstars now don't really want to participate in,

743
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: it and like they got the skills in the bounce

744
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and the hospit do?

745
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: It like what do you see is the?

746
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: Difference because that was always like a staple the superstars

747
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: made The All star events and participated in, them.

748
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: You know what for, Us like, again it was about the.

749
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: Fans it wasn't about.

750
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: Us BUT.

751
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if guys really want to know who

752
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: the best is that's why they don't do. It and

753
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: maybe they so many different things going, on you, know

754
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 4: in their, lives you, know in The All star weekends

755
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: because it's so, much so much bigger than it was

756
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: when we were. Playing But we wanted to know who

757
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: the best. Was why do we compete Against. Mike we

758
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: wanted to know who the best, was, period you, Know

759
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: so we went told to told and the fact that

760
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: they talk about our slam dunk contests thirty some years.

761
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: Later let you, know the the greatest contest ever and

762
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: it was special.

763
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 2: And we were mad if we didn't.

764
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: Win we were you, know, look we had mad respect

765
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: for on, it but we wanted to, win. Period but

766
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 4: WHEN i look, back it doesn't really matter who, won

767
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 4: and because the fans got their moneys.

768
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: Forth but that's WHY i still talked about thirty years,

769
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: later because y'all two was Too titans and you know

770
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: What i'm, Saying it wasn't like.

771
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Not to say.

772
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: That it's no disrespect to anybody that's competing in these

773
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: dunk context because the, DUDES i got super. Respect these

774
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: dudes are coming up with stuff that we couldn't even think.

775
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Of but like the thing that makes that, last in my,

776
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: opinion makes it last. Third it is just like you

777
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: Was Dominique, Wilkinson That's Michael, jordan that was doctor.

778
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: J that Was David thompson and those.

779
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: NAMES i got that type of significance within the, league

780
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: not just in the dunkin sense like they are, superstar.

781
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 4: Right but you, KNOW i give a guy Like Aaron

782
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 4: going a lot of credit respect because he's a guy

783
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: who got more fifties than anybody in the history Of

784
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 4: Dunk contest and hasn't.

785
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Won, LISTEN i have to figure that last that was. Crazy.

786
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: LISTEN ag was local, here we Know, ag and that's

787
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: still was like crazy that he didn't. Win he still

788
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: gets all type of fam, popularity probably more than anybody

789
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: who didn't, win because everybody know he should have won.

790
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: A couple of. Times that's. Crazy AND i was there In.

791
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: TORONTO i wasn't There like that was Literally i've never

792
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: seen but him And Zach levin they were. GOING i was, Like,

793
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: okay what are they gonna? Do like they've done, Everything.

794
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: And what they did is at that, time they brought

795
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 4: The Dunk contest back in amaze.

796
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 2: HUGE i was. GLUE i didn't make That All star.

797
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: Game too cold In toronto it was freeze, freezing it was, freezing.

798
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 4: But, MAN i was glued to the like these dudes

799
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: or putting on the.

800
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: SHOW i was in all the whole arena going crazy

801
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: like the, peers the.

802
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: Players everybody was the.

803
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: SPOT i was, like, yeah they they did that, thing

804
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: me did that.

805
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: Thing that was that was fun to. Watch it was

806
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: fun to.

807
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: WATCH i want to ask about the back to back

808
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: dunk contests with HM j, because like we, said it

809
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: was one of the most. Legendary BUT i want to

810
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: talk about like you were the first one then you come,

811
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: back like how was it going into each of? Them

812
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: like knowing that y'all the two top, dogs y'all supposed

813
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: to be meeting in the, Final, like how was the you,

814
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: know the, talk how did you feel just going into?

815
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: Them we didn't talk about not one, thing not one.

816
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 4: Time we didn't say. Anything we never even worked on

817
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: the dunks before the dunk, contest neither one of.

818
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: Us it was. Dunks we were doing the, game so

819
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: we didn't have, to you.

820
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: Know and so it's like AND i Know mike and practicals,

821
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: dunks and but we didn't talk, much you. Know and

822
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: even doing the, contest we showed each other, respect shook

823
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: his hand after a great, dunk but we didn't. Talk

824
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: and even the winds and lost dunk, contest never talked about,

825
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: it not. Once last year was the first time That

826
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: MICHAEL i saw him and his wife at the hotel

827
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: and at The All Star, game And i'm walking over

828
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: to say hello to him and his, wife and AS

829
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: i get to the, tape he, said, Yeah, Nick, yeah

830
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: you won the dunk. Contest AND i, said, well how

831
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: are you, Doing, Mike and you, know cause we joke about,

832
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: it AND i, said, well you, know let me let

833
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: me get that check then that they gave you with me,

834
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: know call it even he ain't never paid. Me but

835
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: but you, Know mike AND, i, man we have so

836
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 4: much respect for, it you, know because the Two North carolina,

837
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: guys you, know that competed on the highest level and

838
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: for us it was just a pleasure going against one.

839
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 4: Another and, uh but we never talked about, it never

840
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: talked about the dunk. Contest that was it was kind

841
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: of an unspoken thing between, us you, know but we

842
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: knew what we, brought you, know to that, contest and

843
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: LIKE i, said the, dunks we never worked on.

844
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: It, now now let me ask you, this BECAUSE i

845
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: KNOW i saw something ON. Tv but When spud replaced

846
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: you in the dunk contest and he went out there,

847
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: one did you know that he had all of that

848
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: in his?

849
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: Bag or did you know he had held back a

850
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: couple of. THINGS i didn't, know.

851
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: RIGHT i, THOUGHT i saw that you didn't.

852
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 4: KNOW i, Said, man you, LIED i, SAID i said

853
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: some of that STUFF i ain't know you could.

854
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: Do Because i'm looking at your reactions when it was happening,

855
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: there it's looking like you didn't know You you was

856
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of.

857
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: Like and then then he's From dallas, Too so the

858
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: fans got behind, him And i'm, like, Hell i'm in.

859
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: Trouble he was making every dunk, yeah, yeah and forgot

860
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: that little to.

861
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: Make now for a big, guy they be. Routine, YEAH i, know.

862
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: Y'all brother said he on duck like that in practice

863
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: all the time and rarely ever dunked.

864
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: IN i don't remember him the dunks. Before that's why

865
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: What i'm, Saying how does that like how we could?

866
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: Fly you?

867
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: Know?

868
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah but to do?

869
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: Something all his dunks was taming and he hit the

870
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: mark every single, time even though all my dunks was

871
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 4: timing to AND i you, KNOW i made it our,

872
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: Strength but THEN i could have ripped the backboard.

873
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: OUT i want to. Win that little man running away

874
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: with the.

875
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: Moment, well the fans really got behind, them and this

876
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: dunks was really really great dunks AND i could have

877
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 4: win either. WAY i probably won, four BUT i got

878
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: credit for. Two but that's. Good but for, HIM i

879
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 4: was happy for him because spund and nine best, friends

880
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: and for him when he, WON i was happy for.

881
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: HIM i really wasn't, upset you. KNOW i, said you,

882
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 4: know we're keeping it in the, family you. Know so

883
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: it was great for him AND i was happy to see.

884
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 3: Him can you tell us about the playoff series y'all

885
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: had Against boston always leading up to that game seven

886
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: where you And bird was back to back.

887
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: Buckets you know.

888
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: What we Won game five In, boston and we was

889
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: not supposed to win that, game the critics. Say so

890
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: we knew going to game six and, said, man we

891
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: could advance and we can beat these. Guys and we

892
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 4: blew our. Opportunity and at the end of the, game

893
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: we drew up a play and it was turned into

894
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: a broken play And Cliff's livingston went to the basket

895
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: left and running. HOOK i was mad because the play

896
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 4: was supposed to come to, me And i'm, like what

897
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 4: do you don't break the, play Bro and so we

898
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 4: end up losing that. Game and after The game, Six

899
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: barrett made a. Prediction he, Said atlanta blew day. Opportunity

900
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 4: i'm guaranteeing to win In, boston and we had to

901
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: look at that, right big. Headlines SO i remember we

902
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: get To boston and we walked out of the locker

903
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: room AND i. STOPPED i, said we're gonna win this bleep.

904
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: Game if you ain't ready to, fight you ain't ready

905
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: to go to, war don't come out. HERE i, say

906
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: whoever guarding me to, night gonna have a long. Night,

907
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 4: Unfortunately bird was saying the same thing in the other

908
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: locker room to his. Teammates so the set up on

909
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: the greatest shootouts ever in the seventh, game AND i

910
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: remember he only had twelve points going the fourth quarter

911
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 4: And kevin it Was, so it Was Kevin.

912
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: Willis it was me And.

913
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 4: Larry we'd run down the court And kevin reached across

914
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: me and put his hands And bert says, said don't

915
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: let This so And so score.

916
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: Anyone, Now i'm, like what you? Doing woke? There you'll

917
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: wake up of sleeping. Giant and his eyes got that big.

918
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 4: MAN i remember they took me out for a blow

919
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: And kevin And Cliff livingson came in the game and

920
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: he got, hot and coach.

921
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: And nick go out, there Stop. Hi i'm, like stop.

922
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: Him he, Hot now he forget.

923
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: That that's the only THING i can do is try

924
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: to match him bucket for.

925
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: Bucket and it was a shootout in the fourth.

926
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: Quarter it came down to the last, shot and it

927
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: was smart player By Danny ains because he tackled me

928
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: at half court and fear THAT i would hit a

929
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: three from half court to win the. Game you, Know

930
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: bird had TWENTY i think twenty twenty two going into that.

931
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: QUARTER i actually had twenty twenty twenty two in that

932
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: quarter because LIKE i, SAID i think he ended up

933
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: with thirty four for the. Game, yeah for all of.

934
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: These, Thirties, like, Man i've seen a lot of thirty

935
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: point seasons and stuff like.

936
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: That you want use the run up THE.

937
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: MVP i think in eighty, six, like do you feel

938
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: like one of those years you should have got? One

939
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: AND i looking at the, years it was crazy good

940
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: players that.

941
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: Year belore was going one.

942
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: YEAR i THINK i averaged thirty point seven that, year

943
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: BUT i Chased Michael jorge AND i can't run up

944
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: to him for.

945
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: Six.

946
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah after, that FINALLY i, said, MAN i ain't trying

947
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: to chase this dude no more because he would get

948
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: me by a point tenth of a, point you, know

949
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: stuff like that every. Year man AND, I i, say

950
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: you know, What i'm just going to just do my.

951
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 4: Thing i'm not worry about What michael was doing. There

952
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: but it was just a, fun you know race that

953
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: he AND i had for a long. Time you, know

954
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 4: someone told me not long ago that he AND i

955
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: our careers against one. Another we averaged thirty points a

956
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 4: game against one another through our.

957
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Career how was that having that parallel like you, know

958
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: y'all too was a lot of people's favorite, players like

959
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: you know What i'm, saying especially.

960
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: In that time period where y'all going at each other

961
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: in the dunk.

962
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: Contest but you, Know jordan was a giant back then

963
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: and even bigger. Now you, know he was a giant,

964
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: man but he Was he was fun to play, against

965
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: and we had friendly, rivalries but we were trying to

966
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: go at each other's, throat you. Know and With, mike

967
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: if you lost the game against, him you can still

968
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: hold your head OF i, knowing and you gave everything

969
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: because they had a great team and uh and he

970
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: was the engine that made them, run but he was

971
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: you never see another guy LIKE i think the closest

972
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: thing to him Was.

973
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: KOBE i, listen see WHAT i say all the, TIME

974
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: i swear LIKE i. Listen that's HOW i. Feel people

975
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: could say what they want to say in my, book my. Opinion,

976
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: man It's mike and then It's, kobe and then they

977
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: say all of the other. Stuff but LIKE i feel,

978
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: LIKE i feel Like kobe gets slighted when they get

979
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: to talking about people.

980
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: Who play Against.

981
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: Kobe thank, you thank, You like that's WHAT i, Say,

982
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: LIKE i feel LIKE i see.

983
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Here to, ME i don't get into the base no

984
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: more because it's. Useless everybody got an opinion in the

985
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: voice and, this that and the. Third but anytime somebody

986
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: try and go crazy with, ME i throw my trump

987
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: caught on the. TABLE i, say, well LOOK i didn't

988
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: guarded both of, them AND i didn't score on both of.

989
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Them and whoever else you bring into the, CONVERSATION i

990
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: did that with them, too SO i got a bigger

991
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: opinion than.

992
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: You, yeah well, see if you haven't played against either

993
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: one of them, guys you don't realize how good they really.

994
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: Were and you, know it's easy for people especially when

995
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: you have different social media, feeds when they you, know

996
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: get with these, comparisons who's who was the, greatest who's not?

997
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: THEM i don't buy into all, that but if when

998
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: you play against guys like that and you know firsthand

999
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: what they bring to the, table both of them was

1000
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: lethal and they didn't care anything about you when they

1001
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: got on that. Floor they were trying to they were

1002
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: trying to cut your, throat you. Know and it was

1003
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: the same. Way you, know a lot of people don't.

1004
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 4: Mind that's WHY i had the man, Man, look, MAN

1005
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 4: i ain't trying to play with. You i'm trying to

1006
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: bust your. Ass that was every night TIME i. See,

1007
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah and that was our, mentality. Man but those two

1008
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: and that's fine for. Me And michael said it. BEST

1009
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: i can't Say i'm the greatest BECAUSE i didn't play Against,

1010
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: WILL i didn't play Against. RUSSELL i didn't play against

1011
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: the oscarb you. Know he, said y'all see them the

1012
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: great you, know and and that's.

1013
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: Cool but those, guys you, know that's what we flow out.

1014
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: Of it's those.

1015
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: Guys and so a lot of, times, man them guys

1016
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 4: don't get the. Props and these guys won championships after,

1017
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: championship like doctor.

1018
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: J how often do people talk about Doctor? Jack give

1019
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: so like y'all understand who this guy? Was?

1020
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: Kareem, yeah every favorite players favorite, player though you talk

1021
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 4: about the.

1022
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Dot but you know a lot of, times you, know

1023
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: when you got people who.

1024
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: See the, game enjoy the, game the fans the, game

1025
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 4: but don't know the, game that's what you. Have what you,

1026
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: have you, know you look at the fans back and.

1027
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: Play the average fan knew the. Game they knew the.

1028
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Game you.

1029
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 4: KNOW i had an analytic guy to tell me, said

1030
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: A may two is not as good as a.

1031
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Mystery i'm, like, HUH.

1032
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: I don't even make how much since that made come,

1033
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: on a made possession where we put points on the,

1034
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: board that's still not a good.

1035
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: Shot appolled to just missed? Three what? Like man, like,

1036
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: man get out of my. Face that is the.

1037
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: LEVEL i don't generalize in some of these front, off

1038
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: not every but that is the type of common sense

1039
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: that you have to. Encounter, Bro like you just, said what?

1040
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Like BUT i just want sometimes as good as a

1041
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: none bucket in what? REALM i don't care what you're

1042
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: trying to.

1043
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: Say WHAT i? SCORED i didn't when they make a

1044
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: comment like, this are you even qualified to talk?

1045
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: Back you, know that's, real that's real. STUFF i want

1046
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: to ask you about just the city Of. Atlanta you,

1047
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: know a lot OF nba teams in, cities but none

1048
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: of them is like a city Of. Atlanta the city

1049
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: Of atlanta is more of A i feel like that's the.

1050
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Black the city Of atlanta was our six.

1051
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: Man, yeah because the opposing teams come. There atlanta have

1052
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: a way of really new in. Yeah, yeah so it

1053
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: gave us a little.

1054
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 3: Advantage, yeah just being from just being In, atlanta because

1055
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 3: LIKE i, said it's not like every other.

1056
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: City it's it's more more.

1057
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: Black you see more rich black, people you see a

1058
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: different dynamic when you go in the.

1059
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: Area atlanta has a lot of. History you.

1060
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: Know that's the backyard At Martin Luther. King, yeah that's

1061
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: where it starts with, him and he just helped pave

1062
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: the way for black excellence in the state and the

1063
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: city Of. ATLANTA i used to spend time with his,

1064
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 4: Sons Dexter king And Marty king back in the, day

1065
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: AND i learned so, much you, know just from being

1066
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: around those guys And Julian bonds and you, know made

1067
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: Of jackson And Andrew. Young they made the city what

1068
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 4: it is. Today you, know like it's talk about bringing

1069
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: black excellent, opportunity jobs and equality to that. City it's

1070
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: a city that it's one in a, million you, know

1071
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: and there's no city like.

1072
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: It and that's why he never. Left. Man WHEN i

1073
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: came back for.

1074
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 3: You seeing it from when you first claim to seeing

1075
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: it now they calling it like the Black. Hollywood now

1076
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: you see how it's more, buildings a lot more. Everything

1077
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: the city is getting, builder a lot more people are

1078
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: moving to.

1079
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: It where it Is.

1080
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: Hollywood you see all the productions that's going on in

1081
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 4: all the, movies.

1082
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: Just to see what the city that because this, is

1083
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 3: LIKE i, said out of all the cities THAT nba teams,

1084
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: are this is considered the black.

1085
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: City you know What i'm. Saying, yeah it's you, know

1086
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 4: a city of an, opportunity you, know for people of. Color.

1087
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 4: Either why it's so special for me is that WHEN

1088
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 4: i was going through that tough time coming out of high,

1089
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: school they embraced. Me they made me kind of their

1090
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: native son In atlanta and the state Of georgia took

1091
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 4: care of. Me so that's Why i've never.

1092
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Left you.

1093
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Know with that being, said how much pride do you?

1094
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Take and being, like you know how certain cities they

1095
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: have like people that when you come to the, city

1096
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: they're like kind of like unofficial governors or whatever may

1097
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: you like the mayor Of, atlanta like you wanted the,

1098
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: fixtures you, know like.

1099
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: When you you, know you wanted.

1100
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: Them people that win when they think About atlanta us

1101
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: about like when you think, basketball you got a statue

1102
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: like playing in the house youth synonymous with a. Team

1103
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: like how much pride you? Like then you, say like

1104
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: you From Martin Luther king's you know his, Kids you've

1105
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: had businesses, There you've not things you put back in the,

1106
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: Community like how much pride are you?

1107
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Taking? That oh? Man a lot of.

1108
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: Pride and the city has again just embraced me in

1109
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 4: so many different. Ways and it's because of the city

1110
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 4: that statue is setting out front, there it's because of

1111
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: the city that street is. Renamed so the things that

1112
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 4: the city has done for me and the organization and

1113
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 4: still being a part of the, ORGANIZATION i thought all these,

1114
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: years not a lot of guys can say that that

1115
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 4: they stayed in one organization their whole professional. Life so for, me,

1116
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: man it's it's like being, home that's. What BECAUSE i

1117
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: never really had a home growing up and moved all

1118
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: these different, places And atlanta was really my first.

1119
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 2: Home and that's Why i'm still.

1120
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: There tell me this right in ninety one ninety, two

1121
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: you tell your achilles but you already averaging like twenty.

1122
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: Eight you get the day after you do, it you

1123
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: get announced as the you know all. Star but then

1124
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: you come, back you known as like you like the

1125
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: standard every time somebody do something like you was the

1126
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: first one to come back from An achilles' injury and,

1127
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: like come BACK nba, player you averaging thirty still looking

1128
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: like how you? Like what was your? Approach like how

1129
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: did you feel when it? Happened when you was it

1130
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: told like this about to be the end of your?

1131
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: Career and like it BECAUSE i was Told know What i'm,

1132
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: saying BECAUSE i know back then that was like.

1133
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: Catastrophics so that's why you liked the standard for like

1134
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 4: even back then it was unheard of somebody coming back

1135
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: the way you don't win it, happened you, KNOW i

1136
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: felt like someone hit me with a baseball. BAT i

1137
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: wasn't even REALLY i was trotting down the. Court SO

1138
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: i remember they taking me in the hospital and an

1139
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 4: ambulance and As i'm going to, hospital ask them bringing me.

1140
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: Back so they brought me, back AND i came back

1141
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: and shut them be BECAUSE i thought it was SOMETHING

1142
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 4: i could still do to help the team. Win and

1143
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: to this, DAY i can't tell you WHY i. Did

1144
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: but WHEN i tore, IT i heard all the, Critics,

1145
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: oh he's probably done it at that.

1146
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: Age and it you come back like a has.

1147
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 4: Been and you, KNOW i heard all the Negative i've

1148
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 4: had all them articles in my gym. Wall AND i

1149
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 4: remember the doctor that did my surgery came out of

1150
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: retirement to do my surgery Into Houston clinic and he,

1151
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 4: said you're gonna come.

1152
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: Back you're gonna be better than.

1153
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: Ever AND i would say that to, People i'll be,

1154
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: back and they would give me that sarcastic pat on the.

1155
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: Back, yeah good. Luck BUT i worked twice a day

1156
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: every day for nine.

1157
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 4: MONTHS i was determined not just to come, back to

1158
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: be better THAN i was BEFORE i. Left AND i

1159
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 4: remember the first TIME i was able to, compete AND

1160
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 4: i remember hit the. Floor it was training. CAMP i

1161
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: hit the floor really. Hard and the first time they

1162
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 4: had grabbed my, ankle BUT i ain't had no, pain

1163
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 4: AND i, said, no what if the thing gonna, pop

1164
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: it's gonna pop on my. Turns i'm going all. Out

1165
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: AND i remember my first game a couple of weeks.

1166
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: Later it was against The New York, knicks AND i

1167
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: dropped thirty on.

1168
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: THEM i, Said i'm, Bad i'm. Bad i'm, Back i'm.

1169
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: Back you know how good did that field? Up? Man?

1170
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: Like you, know you got to hit all those benchmarks

1171
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: to get clear for this clear for that that first,

1172
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: game and then you hit Thirty like what was?

1173
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: That?

1174
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 3: No?

1175
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 4: Average twenty nine for The, YEAH i mean Twenty that

1176
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 4: seemed a aviad twenty nine point nine, right?

1177
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Ye right at thirty Offul that.

1178
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 4: Insane so WHAT i learned is how to play the

1179
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 4: game on the ground as well as in THE ab

1180
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: became even more fundamentally.

1181
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: Sound AND i talk people all the.

1182
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 4: Time it, said it's very difficult to score for twenty

1183
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: Six douland points on. DOGS i was created school a

1184
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: lot of things the guys do. Today for at the mid,

1185
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: range get to the, basket AND i shot. THREE i

1186
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: did all THAT i was doing that back.

1187
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: Then tell them about, that because like you came in

1188
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: as a pure.

1189
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: Athlete everybody.

1190
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: Was you, know your first couple of, years you didn't

1191
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: shoot many jump shots threes at, All like how did you?

1192
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Like you just took those Like, okay this is what

1193
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: people are SAYING i need to improve on.

1194
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: Here in my first two, YEARS i had to go

1195
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: to a pay respect thing because of the VETS i.

1196
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: Had you, KNOW i could do all those, things but the,

1197
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: vets you, know they were the guys who they were

1198
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 4: the guy they were the. Control, yeah they were the,

1199
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 4: guys and so, they like you, said they controlled the

1200
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 4: game until they gave me their blessing and gave me

1201
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: my respect to do. ME i went from seventeen to twenty, seven,

1202
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: right WHAT i did and HOW i got a well

1203
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 4: rounded game as. WELL i took a tape of a great,

1204
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 4: player AND i took one or two things that he did,

1205
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 4: great AND i practiced over and over and over AND

1206
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 4: i did that for my first four. Years so BASICALLY

1207
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: i was trying to do is build an. Arsenal, well

1208
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: one guy wasn't gonna baby guard. ME i ain't give

1209
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 4: a damn old. Weapons you've got the Most, YEAH i don't.

1210
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: CARE i care who you. Are what kind of defense

1211
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: player you don't need, help you.

1212
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: Know and SO i worked on those, things, man and

1213
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: scoring was, easy you. Know mid range, MAN i was

1214
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 4: a mid range nightmare for a lot of.

1215
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: Guys. Man that's WHY i made my living in the

1216
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: mid range off the, jump you.

1217
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: Know and you KNOW i had a game WHERE i

1218
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: scored fifty seven and three and a half. QUARTERS i

1219
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 4: had eight minutes to go in the, game you. Know

1220
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 4: and if you look at that, GAME i had maybe

1221
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 4: three four dunks in that. Game BUT i got him

1222
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: every way, possible you, know finger rolls in the, lane

1223
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: on the, post getting to the free throw.

1224
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: Line post. Player you, know it's real. Ballers, no it

1225
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: wasn't just. Dunk that was that's the icing on.

1226
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: It and that era them big guys ain't just let.

1227
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: You and it's seven foot. Exactly that. Era power was

1228
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: just like blood and. Small you couldn't just go.

1229
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: Down, HEY i got. HIT i got hit By Darryl

1230
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 4: dawkins one. TIME i dunked on him play before And i'm,

1231
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 4: yeah you, know talking. Trash right next, play almost identical.

1232
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 4: PLAYER i go up and he put his elbow in

1233
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 4: the middle of my. Chest he slammed me to the

1234
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: four and stand over me And i'm hot And i'm,

1235
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 4: mad BUT i just laid, there you, know to you,

1236
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: know it felt like he wanted to.

1237
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: Move and then he went like, that do we ever

1238
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: try that ship? Again get on? Throws you know WHAT i?

1239
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: DID i got, up brushed myself off shot throw to

1240
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety. Pounds, Well i'm gonna try to fight.

1241
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: Him i'm gonna.

1242
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: Do how was it for you in ninety four go

1243
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: to The clippers you had eleven and a half years

1244
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: and then even before that in high school going To.

1245
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: Georgia you know What i'm, Saying you've been In you've

1246
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: been In. Georgia fish come off a.

1247
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: Comeback you feel like you've proven yourself to be back

1248
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: with you and Then.

1249
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Atlanta, first first all it was about. Money it wasn't

1250
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: about my.

1251
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: Talent you, know they promised me at that, time you

1252
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 4: know a lot of. Money and so the way that

1253
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 4: nigg doing it is to trade, me AND i, LIKE

1254
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 4: i felt LIKE i went from the penthouse to the,

1255
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: outhouse you, know clip and when The clippers and anybody

1256
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: know anything but The clippers Under, sterling it we got

1257
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: we we got. Dragged was understand we have one day US.

1258
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: La one practice AT, usc one practice AT. Ymc like

1259
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: what going on outside of THE?

1260
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: Ymc depending on WHAT ymca you was, at y'all was

1261
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: better than we was At Southwest Junior college in south CENTRAL.

1262
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: La that was where we practiced at for first two.

1263
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: Years every. Day it was a College juco college. Campus you,

1264
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: KNOW i KNEW i was in. Trouble and one of

1265
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: my Almost, Spencer you Remember.

1266
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 4: Spencer, yeah he had a band and he drove the

1267
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: practice one day in reverse because his transmission was.

1268
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Messed hold, on, man hold on, man this man travel

1269
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: a car bike was to THE.

1270
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 4: I, Like i'm, like, Man i'm in. Trouble so this

1271
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: was this was. Crazy so WHEN i get traded.

1272
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: There you, Know i'm Mad i'm.

1273
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 4: Traded So i'm in the locker room and a ball

1274
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: boy had a pair Of clipper shows on and they

1275
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 4: had a LONG t shirt on AND i, said, hey ball,

1276
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: boy go get me some. Socks he, said, man ain't

1277
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: no ball, BOY i play on this. Team i'm, like,

1278
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: oops what it Was Randy? Wood but like like The

1279
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: hawks was The hawks was number one. Team they was

1280
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: the number one, team and they traded.

1281
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: You you made The All star team they traded you

1282
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: right after The All star, like and it was that

1283
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: was the.

1284
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: Money For they didn't, money and it wasn't about my.

1285
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 3: Said that was craziest. Trade now you have you and

1286
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: two of the craziest.

1287
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: Trades and now when they made that, trade we was

1288
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: leading The Eastern, conference, lead first, place first.

1289
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 4: Place they're the only team in history to do, that

1290
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: the only team to be in first placed a. Start

1291
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 4: BUT i thought we won the championship that, year the

1292
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: team in.

1293
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: History to this date to do, that to be in

1294
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: first place in, trade.

1295
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 4: They leading score after the that's never had to all about.

1296
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: Money that's, crazy you.

1297
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 4: Know And i'm tell you the franchise suffered for a

1298
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: long time after that because people was not happy because

1299
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: that was our.

1300
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: CHANCE i want a chance to hit a.

1301
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 4: Blow, yeah and, man that was that was a rough.

1302
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 4: ONE i, mean it took me a, long long long

1303
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 4: time to get over.

1304
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: That. Yeah how crazy was it that you after?

1305
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: That you went to The Boston celtics right AFTER i

1306
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: left The, Clippers, like BUT i.

1307
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: LEFT i left the last game of the.

1308
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 4: SEASON i Remember sterling, came actually our coach came lock

1309
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: and he, said you, guys don't be, upset But i've

1310
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 4: been told to take y'all out after the first five

1311
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: minutes of the game Because sterling wanted to See David

1312
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 4: robinson keep the scoring title in The, west because he

1313
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 4: didn't want to kill O'Neil to get the scoring title

1314
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 4: when he hit sixty or, seventy had that game was.

1315
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,479
Speaker 1: Fixed he told y'all that y'all not gonna play because

1316
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: he won't took us.

1317
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: Out and if you go back and watch the, game

1318
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: we didn't play after. THAT i Remember.

1319
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: DAVE i remember walking, off BUT i don't know the

1320
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 4: end of the, game AND i was, Like i'm.

1321
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: Out they can't off me. Enough i'm. Done backstory on the.

1322
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: HISTORY i remember that SEVENTY i remember that Being.

1323
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: Man jackson And Ron.

1324
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 4: Harper they tell, You, wow, Yeah Donald, sterling windmill.

1325
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: Dunks you, know it's a certain way you win mill, go.

1326
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: You. Know and if you ain't win middling it Like,

1327
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: dominick you're not wind, milling you're right wiping your.

1328
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: Whole some people.

1329
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: They wind it a little, bit don't really you know

1330
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: What i'm. Saying some people jump off one leg and

1331
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 3: try to wind and they really don't understand that you

1332
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 3: ain't wiping your ass and they're standing.

1333
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: That allen like, me there ain't that's a dunk that.

1334
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: Going off for two.

1335
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 4: Feet, yeah that's what makes it look dramatic because you're

1336
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: getting hype and then you bringing it down to your

1337
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: kneecaps and you bringing it around and when you can

1338
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 4: throw it with the, power the, power and our guys

1339
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 4: can't do that at. All they, can't you, know get

1340
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: that little chicken wing a little, bit.

1341
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: You.

1342
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,479
Speaker 4: Know and and then the WINDMILL i did one time

1343
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: in practice and then it kind of stuck with.

1344
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: Me you.

1345
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 4: KNOW i used to be a one for the jumper

1346
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 4: WHEN i got into THE. Nba, MAN i remember getting together. Yourself,

1347
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 4: YEAH i Remember milwaukee AND i come baseline and bobble

1348
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: and there covered the rim like, this AND i turned

1349
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: and he was going.

1350
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: Up WHEN i came back, around he was coming.

1351
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 4: DOWN i was still going, up AND i, said know,

1352
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 4: What i'm gonna start jumping off two feet because it

1353
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 4: got More you have more control even if you get.

1354
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: Hit, yeah you got control. Everything what was what was

1355
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: some of the?

1356
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Like because like you got you you easily known as

1357
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: one of the top end game dunkers ever all. Time

1358
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: like when you really exploded onto the scene and like you,

1359
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: said like IT'S i haven't seen some damn, highlights, bro

1360
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: when you twisted you reverse and doing like what what

1361
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: the response like when you really burst onto the scene

1362
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: like that that.

1363
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 4: Exploded it was just a tool for intimidation. Exactly that's

1364
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: all it was to back big guys, up to keep

1365
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 4: them from challenge in your.

1366
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: Shot and that's why you always dunk. Hard that's WHY

1367
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: i always.

1368
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 4: DUNK i try to dunk as hard as and if

1369
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: you want to put your hand up, here if you,

1370
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 4: want you.

1371
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 3: Know kim told me WHEN i got To Li keimp was, like,

1372
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: yeah you, know, fuck keep on dunking hard because they'll stop,

1373
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 3: jumping they'll start, waving and.

1374
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: They start, waving they start swiping waving. It you.

1375
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 4: Know and when you can do it in, traffic you,

1376
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: Know Sean kemp was one of. Them guys can do

1377
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: it in. Traffic uh you look at today's Game. Zion, yeah, Man,

1378
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 4: YEAH i ain't a lot of guys can do it in,

1379
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 4: traffic you, know BECAUSE i used to get in and

1380
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 4: get one bounce off the post AND i catch you back.

1381
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 4: Pedaling you, know that's what people. Understanding you get a

1382
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 4: guy back, pedaling it's. Over you can't. Challenge you, KNOW

1383
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: i don't care you can't, jump BECAUSE i don't care

1384
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: what type of shot blocker you. Are IF i get you,

1385
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 4: BACKPEDALING I, god you're gonna be on that. Port you're

1386
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: gonna be ON. Cnn. Ye and that's the thing that.

1387
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 4: Was that was a going thing when he said who's

1388
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 4: gonna be on c and then tonight you, know because

1389
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: we that's around the. League you, know somebody's gonna be

1390
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 4: getting thrown down On and we had team full of,

1391
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 4: athletes man With cliff And antoine And Doc, kevin we

1392
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 4: had a lot of.

1393
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 3: Athletes, man the number twenty. ONE kg said he would

1394
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 3: because of. YOU i would because OF. KG a lot

1395
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: of guys would because of all. Us, like what did

1396
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: twenty one mean to? You asley? Producer she was the

1397
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: twenty one? Disciple but what what the what the twenty?

1398
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: One the number twenty one means to?

1399
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 4: You, Well i'm gonna tell you the reason WHY i

1400
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 4: got twenty one and what it meant to. Me WHEN

1401
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 4: i came to high, SCHOOL i wanted number. Six there

1402
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 4: was no more jerseys left but twenty, one SO i

1403
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 4: had no choice but to take the last number they,

1404
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 4: had and that's HOW i got twenty. One it was

1405
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 4: no NUMBER i, selected but that was the last that's

1406
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 4: the only number. Left that's what everybody, know you, yeah,

1407
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 4: Right and so twenty. One, YEAH i wanted. SIX i

1408
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: WANTED i wanted docks, number and coach, said, Well, dominic

1409
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 4: the only number we had. Left BECAUSE i was a

1410
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 4: new guy coming in from From, baltimore that was the

1411
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: only number that was.

1412
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 3: LEFT i couldn't wait for my number change because you,

1413
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: know being a big, man and you know every team

1414
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: your number got to be fifty, four fifty, two, fifty you,

1415
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: know you gotta.

1416
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: Had the big man.

1417
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: Numbers and then WHEN i traded school WHERE i traded

1418
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: school our school, closed they asked me what was my jersey.

1419
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: NUMBER i was so proud to say twenty. One twenty

1420
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: one be my. Number but it's a lot of great

1421
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 3: twenty ones to play.

1422
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: A lot of great twenty.

1423
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: One to get announced to The Dream, team to play

1424
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: with The Dream, team after, all you went through with

1425
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 3: them years and they asked you to play.

1426
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: With, You how was that for you and your? Family

1427
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: to The Dream team was great, man you, know to you,

1428
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: know compete for your. Country it was.

1429
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,479
Speaker 4: Great you, KNOW i was disappointed on the First Dream

1430
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 4: team BECAUSE i was, hurt so they get a chance

1431
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 4: to get. Selected but the Second Dream team man With

1432
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: shack and all those man we man we had. All

1433
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 4: so let me ask you this because uh D c

1434
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 4: a couple of the guys we have had on from

1435
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 4: The Dream team. Too they claimed that they would have

1436
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 4: smacked Up Dream team, Won, like how do you feel about?

1437
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 4: That do you think it had been a great? Game,

1438
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 4: okay they had some monsters on that first. One let

1439
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 4: me tell you, listen AND i. WAS i was a

1440
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 4: statesman On Dream team. Too they used to call me a.

1441
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: Technique but.

1442
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 5: You'll have. Monsters we had D, C Shaq Young shaq,

1443
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 5: Yeah Sean, Kemp yeah we Had, yeah we had.

1444
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 4: Some we had some guys man and our backcourt was

1445
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: pretty good. Too he said it would have been a.

1446
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 4: Game ladies and gentlemen have been a game keeping It copo.

1447
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Static what about how did you feel going To boston

1448
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: because you have over seeing yourself going in a million?

1449
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: Years? Right? Like what was? That? Like it was?

1450
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 4: FUN i mean The boston fans treated me, great great level. Appreciation,

1451
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 4: yeah a different left preaching me because that's some of

1452
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 4: the most knowledgeable pans in the n B. A and

1453
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 4: SO i lived In boston five years even after, that you, Know,

1454
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 4: so how was.

1455
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: It to be the person that scored the final point

1456
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: in the Legendary Boston garden that.

1457
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: You, know.

1458
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: You hold the honor of scoring The celtics final point

1459
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: at the Old Boston gardens before it closed down in ninety.

1460
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: FIVE i never never knew.

1461
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: That see knuckleheads bring them up on games that you right,

1462
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: there that you you got the final.

1463
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: Bucket, yeah appreciate.

1464
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: You you you you a little trivia question at that

1465
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: somewhere in, yourself just laying, like who's it's a lot of.

1466
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: Buckets that's like to know, that you, like you're not

1467
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: even sposed to be, there but you got, That, like you,

1468
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: know that's.

1469
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 4: Crazy, well you, KNOW i look at like, this you,

1470
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: know that's the last. Bucket you, know it's it's that

1471
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: all them points that you scored in that building and

1472
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 4: to have the last shot made there and it's a

1473
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: special thing it. Is you, KNOW i didn't even know,

1474
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 4: that but you, know Bird, night we scored a lot

1475
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 4: of buckets in that. Building, boy that's. Crazy what he

1476
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 4: scored more than that BUILDING i. Did so you, know what.

1477
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: Was the thought process of doing the grease and.

1478
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: Play you, know we have we have egos in our

1479
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: head that that, like, MAN i ain't.

1480
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 2: Going, No, MAN i. DIDN'T i didn't want to go To.

1481
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 4: Europe but they made OFFER i could be, refused, like,

1482
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 4: Man i'm not trying to go over. There, MAN i

1483
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: don't care how much you'll. PAY i ain't trying to go.

1484
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 4: There i'm you, Know i'm finishing my career in THE.

1485
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 4: Nba and they, say you hadn't heard the. Offer, YEA i, said,

1486
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 4: no matter what you offer. Me they, said, well can

1487
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 4: you least look at the? Comments SO i went over.

1488
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 4: There SO i, said when y'all want me to come, back.

1489
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: LIKE i can be here next.

1490
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 3: Week one of the, nicest nicest. PLACES i had a.

1491
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 4: Ball you, know if you know any of The greek

1492
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 4: mythology and stuff like, that, man you, know just to

1493
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 4: go see all of that type of. Stuff but the,

1494
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 4: people they're the most fanatical fans in the. World greek

1495
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 4: fans are out of control and when it's like a

1496
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 4: war when you're playing against the other rival. Teams SO

1497
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 4: i played with a team Called Pantas Nite coast and

1498
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 4: the other big team With Olympia, coasts and they hated each,

1499
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 4: other and so every time we played, it you had

1500
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 4: police squad.

1501
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: Experience scared to. Death i've seen like the soccer. Stuff

1502
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: how it's, Like.

1503
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 4: MAN i was scared to death because my first, Game

1504
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 4: i'm in the layup. Line i'm going in for and

1505
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 4: they throw. COINS i mean for like three or four

1506
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 4: minutes they s Throwing clint coin hit and cut me

1507
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 4: over the eye AND i ran to the locker. ROOM

1508
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 4: i ain't coming back out with. That they, said, no,

1509
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: No dominicq's, okay it's, okay it's to. Audition i'm, like

1510
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 4: hell with the. Tradition, Man i'm, bleeding you. Know and so,

1511
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 4: ANYWAY i got comfortable came back, out and that's WHEN i,

1512
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 4: Said i'm in a different type of place because you

1513
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 4: have police accord full, right you. Know all we went

1514
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 4: and then they had these little shields behind. You they

1515
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: kind of go up and, out so when they throw the,

1516
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 4: coins it sounded like really hard, rain you. Know and

1517
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 4: that was every, game but you got used to.

1518
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: It you want a championship and THE mvp over.

1519
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 4: There, yeah, yeah In paris in my hometown actually stood.

1520
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: Up how dope was the crib they set you up.

1521
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: WITH i heard they had you living large over, there.

1522
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: BOWLING i had they had they had. ME i had

1523
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: a house over, YEAH i mean it.

1524
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 4: Was it was a four level all, marble fourteen carrigo,

1525
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 4: railing kitchen on. Everything you had, gold, yeah, man it.

1526
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 4: Was it was laid, Mankay greek.

1527
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: God.

1528
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: Man they got A greek god, now and that's why

1529
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: they treat.

1530
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: YOU i never heard nobody had no gold fourteen k

1531
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: gold back, yeah.

1532
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah nigga was A greek. God, hey, man the. House

1533
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: the house was, bad BUT i felt funny in that.

1534
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: HOUSE i felt like. Haunted it was. Haunted it was

1535
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 2: up in there with The Greek.

1536
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 4: God i'm gonna tell you something, happened And i'm not

1537
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 4: lying BECAUSE i had a guy who was my best.

1538
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: Friend he went over and stayed with me for about a.

1539
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 4: Year and we get home late from one night and

1540
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 4: felt it sounded like a party that is going on

1541
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 4: in my, basement you, Know god's.

1542
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: Party man, Listen AND i, said, man you got somebody?

1543
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: Here he, said, no you, got and so we go.

1544
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 4: Downstairs he said open the, Door like, no he opened

1545
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 4: and it sounded like a concert going on in my.

1546
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: Basement open the door and the music. Stop m. Hmm i'm,

1547
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: Like i'm going back to The. States something right with this?

1548
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: House keep the fourth? Thing, yeah going.

1549
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 4: BACK i don't, know maybe been next door or. SOMETHING

1550
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 4: i don't know what it, was, man but we both freaked. Out,

1551
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 4: Man but the house was bad.

1552
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: Bad how did The San Antonio spurs get you to come? Back?

1553
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: ACTUALLY i just wanted to come, back just wanted to

1554
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 4: make sure come back to THE. Nba and ACTUALLY i

1555
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 4: got to come Back player of The year WHEN i came.

1556
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: Back he was the last last bird of word twenty

1557
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: one Before.

1558
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: Duncan, YEAH i WANT i want to Ask duncan for

1559
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 4: a little that money that he made BECAUSE i gave

1560
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: up my number for. Him, no but Actually i'm gona

1561
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 4: tell you. That you, know he And David robinson was great.

1562
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: Guys you.

1563
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 4: KNOW i remember to Him doc and they told me they,

1564
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 4: said If nik decided to, Stay i'm not gonna take twenty. One,

1565
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 4: yeah you, Know so that's how that's. Respect. Man, again

1566
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 4: when you talk about good, guys and he And David

1567
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 4: robinson the best, Players timmy.

1568
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: Man he best. People. Good, Yeah he's always been a good.

1569
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 3: Guy that was the year they announced the top fifty

1570
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: greatest players up and last we thought you opposed to make.

1571
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: It but how did you feel just you, know seeing

1572
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: them because they're one of my iconic memories, slighted.

1573
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 4: SLIGHT i felt like because at the TIME i was

1574
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 4: seventh all the time leading scoring, history you still ahead

1575
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 4: of at that point and it was, like, oh, MAN i,

1576
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 4: mean DID i do something wrong to? Somebody it's something

1577
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 4: and but one THING i will in THE. Nba and

1578
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 4: that was some of THE nba personnel said to me last.

1579
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 4: Year it, said the seventy fifth you deserve everything and

1580
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 4: more that you're getting because it wasn't done right the first.

1581
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: Time, definitely so to.

1582
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 4: Be a part of seventy, five, man and LIKE i,

1583
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 4: said it's like you're, immortalized you, KNOW i, mean knowing

1584
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 4: it's one of the greatest players in the history of.

1585
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 4: Game seventy five greatest players speaks for. Yourself how was

1586
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 4: it to be in that room and that LIKE i

1587
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: can't even describe, it and.

1588
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: Be in that presence, emotion. Massure everybody in that room was,

1589
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: emotional and everybody in there.

1590
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: Like the, people everybody, certain everybody was in awe of each.

1591
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: Other it was like the guys meeting with each.

1592
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 4: Other, man that's to be there With, kareean doctor j

1593
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 4: and then the younger guys Like lebron and you, Know

1594
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 4: carmel and all those. Guys you, know funny thing Is

1595
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 4: carmelo AND i were standing in the. Circle you, know

1596
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 4: we're both From baltimore and we had to be standing

1597
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 4: with right beside one. Another we're, like, man it's along

1598
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 4: with From baltimore and, man he, said look how far

1599
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 4: we've come and look what we. ACCOMPLISHED i, said, yeah

1600
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 4: this is a real. Moment, man it's a special.

1601
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 3: Thing some people feel like some people got snubbed on this,

1602
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: one just like how they felt on. Them do you

1603
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 3: feel like the process should be a little bit. Different

1604
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: they should ask more players and more players should make

1605
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 3: that decision of the next twenty five to come in

1606
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 3: instead of it being. Writers Because i'm with, you like

1607
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 3: nothing against the writer or people who speaking on basketball

1608
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: and all that, stuff but it's a different type of

1609
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 3: feel when you have a, player players of, errors players

1610
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 3: of distance played against.

1611
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 4: Them they have a guy Like Dave, thompson yea not

1612
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 4: a part of. That something wrong THAT i mean, again

1613
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 4: you're talking about people don't know how good this guy.

1614
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: Was it's crazy that goes that's.

1615
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: What you, Said like you, said like when we were

1616
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: talking about The kobe. Things people that played against him,

1617
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: though and it's like it's unfortunate, that you, know because

1618
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: that person deserves. THAT i felt like that about as

1619
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: a teammate Of dwight no, way no, way shape or.

1620
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: Fashion he wasn't supposed to be in the TOP centi,

1621
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: like knock it. OFF i don't care who say, What

1622
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: LIKE i know first hand playing against playing with him

1623
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: and tout ship down for six to seven straight years he. Dominated, yeah, like,

1624
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: MAN i KNOW i feel, yeah.

1625
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1626
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: TALK i mean you look At Clay. Thompson, Yeah Clay,

1627
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: man come on, man champions and not like. That that's

1628
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: one thing you, say, boy the way he ain't get. Up,

1629
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: well he got a title with the n, late but

1630
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: Like clay titles multiple, times like stop playing with, him,

1631
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: Man like that's.

1632
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 3: Crazy, yeah playing with The, spurs and then you decided

1633
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: to go back, overseas like you had so much fun

1634
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 3: to us to go back over.

1635
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 4: Again maybe, OFF i couldn't refuse you. AGAIN i had

1636
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 4: a nice place over there, too, Boy BUT i mean

1637
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: they took care of. ME i mean one, thing if

1638
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 4: you're a great player coming from The United states going To,

1639
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 4: europe they take care of the. Players we had a

1640
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 4: chance to win over there as, well BUT i got. Hurt,

1641
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 4: yeah we came up, short but it was. Nice it

1642
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 4: was a nice When.

1643
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying these degrees and Then San, antonio then going

1644
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 3: overseas again and then coming back To. Orlando magic was

1645
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: them them years that you was, like, MAN i love,

1646
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: THIS i want to do, it But i'm just moving

1647
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: WITHCAUSE i don't really want to let it go because you,

1648
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: know some guys at the end of their, career LIKE

1649
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: i feel LIKE i spent two years THAT i shouldn't

1650
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: spent at the ear THAT i should have just started concentrating.

1651
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 2: On life after. Basket, yeah you know What i'm. Saying

1652
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: IF i had to do it over, AGAIN i don't.

1653
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 4: Know IF i would have went BECAUSE i loved THE

1654
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 4: nba that. Much those two extra years gave me seventeen years.

1655
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 4: Total THE nba.

1656
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,959
Speaker 2: Push you further up the scoring charge, Too.

1657
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah for, sure for, sure but it was a time

1658
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 4: that you know change was, needed and so that's WHAT i.

1659
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: Did how dope was it to get to come back

1660
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: To orlando and play with your bro just even you,

1661
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: know even if it was in a lesser.

1662
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: Capacity, well right at the, END i.

1663
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 4: Wanted to play one year with him and they say

1664
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 4: we played. Together it was special to see how hard

1665
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 4: he worked because he is a KID i thought at

1666
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 4: the time should have been the first, round maybe a

1667
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 4: low first round. Pick but he was the last person

1668
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 4: picking the second. Round AND i said to, HIM i,

1669
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 4: said so it's, cool it's. Okay now you gotta do

1670
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: it the hard. Way, YEAH i, Said and you go

1671
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 4: out there represent the name that's on your. BACK i,

1672
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 4: said you come out there and work. Hard you know

1673
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 4: you'll make. It you'll be. There and you, Know gerald

1674
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 4: was one kind of he was a go getter and

1675
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 4: so he played fourteen.

1676
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: Years yeah, great, yeah, yeah and he was key to

1677
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: Them calves teams and you know What i'm, Saying, yeah

1678
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: when its main RUN i think was in The New

1679
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 3: york Team York.

1680
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 2: Player.

1681
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, man they were hard, nosed, man they were good

1682
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: to And jerald's one of those. Guys he was working

1683
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 4: like so he gonna, defend get out in the, break good.

1684
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 4: Passing so he went to the right.

1685
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: Team, yeah this is something That i'm not even sure

1686
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: if you're aware Of but how is it to know

1687
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: that you one of ten players averaged twenty five points

1688
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: in ten consecutive Seasons And i'm gonna tell you the

1689
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: other players it's with you on this.

1690
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: List oh she was, great AND i Know Smarry.

1691
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: WEST, Mj Carl, Malone Shaq Iverson lebron and K d

1692
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: and then the Antique.

1693
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 4: Nique, yeah, yeah, man don't be telling anybody, all but,

1694
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 4: yeah that mean that's a hell of a group right.

1695
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: There, man they'll tell.

1696
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 4: You and if you look at that, too how efficient

1697
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 4: those guys?

1698
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: Were all of us we play with.

1699
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: Efficiency the one thing that you always, say you always

1700
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: talk about like having a you, know to have a

1701
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: nickname is cool and this that and the third to

1702
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: be known as.

1703
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: The human highlight.

1704
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: Reel like that in itself is like one of the dopest,

1705
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: nicknames just by meaning the way it sounds and.

1706
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 4: Everything like when did that first come? Back when you

1707
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 4: first got that name in eleventh? Grade most people THINK

1708
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 4: i got into.

1709
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: Pros.

1710
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: OH i definitely thought you got it in the eleventh.

1711
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 4: Grade and it was that five star basketball camp at the.

1712
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: Time Howard, garfinko who was Big camp AND i got

1713
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 4: it in An All star. GAME i scored forty one

1714
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 4: The All Star game and they couldn't tell how it's

1715
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 4: going to as an Unorthodox they, say you know, what

1716
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: we just gonna call them a human highlight.

1717
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: Film AND i hated the.

1718
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 4: Name but AS i got, old that's a hold, on

1719
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 4: wait a, MINUTE i can make a little money off this.

1720
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: Name so it. Stuck so that's how it came. ABOUT

1721
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: i like.

1722
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: That so if you had all of the teams that

1723
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: you done play with in THE, nba if you had

1724
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 3: four other players to make a, five who would be

1725
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 3: the four other players a teammate that you had in

1726
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 3: AN nba that you will make you complete with?

1727
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 4: You that's hard BECAUSE i would have to have several.

1728
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 4: Fives you, know if you you look at today's, game

1729
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 4: you look at back WHEN i. Play but IF i

1730
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 4: just strictly expect uh more with back WHEN i played

1731
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 4: m j mm, hmm magic H, Man kareem mhmm and

1732
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 4: power forward at that, TIME i would which you can

1733
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 4: go with one of you can go with A keem

1734
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 4: or call him?

1735
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: ALONE i, mean so Magic, jordan you call him?

1736
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 3: Along what's they called? Along And kareem. Dang, yeah that's a. Five,

1737
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 3: yeah that's a. Five that's a.

1738
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: Five and like the only reason why you don't hear

1739
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 4: like a doctor j Or bird or because we played

1740
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 4: the same.

1741
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 2: Position, yeah so be a conflict of. Interests.

1742
01:20:55,960 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh let me ask you this. Story bench, trade start.

1743
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: One you gotta bench. One you gotta trade. One T,

1744
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 3: Mac Kevin, Durant Larry, bird IF i had to, trade

1745
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 3: if you have to start, one you have to bench.

1746
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: One you gotta trade, one bench.

1747
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 4: One when you ain't Mentioning Kevin, Durant, yes for, sure

1748
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 4: and you said you ain't benching him, either you, know

1749
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 4: so unfortunately you gotta take the lesser now of three

1750
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 4: evils instead of. Two and you, know somebody canna always

1751
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 4: get left, out somebody always but them to the. Trade

1752
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 4: you're gonna, Trade, Burt you're gonna. Trade you're gonna Trade.

1753
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 4: Kevin you what your?

1754
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: Decays which one you're gonna get rid?

1755
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 4: Of, well you know, again somebody is gonna get left

1756
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 4: and somebody has to go. Fortune it's gonna be T.

1757
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 4: Mac AND i think he's, wonderful wonderful. Player but look

1758
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 4: at that established guys of what they do through their. Careers,

1759
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 4: man it's your team, though so it's what you.

1760
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: Want tell.

1761
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: Me it's a two part. Question is it true that

1762
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: you was on the cover of A hairstyle and haird. Box,

1763
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: yeah if, SO i MEAN i know. THAT i gotta

1764
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: FEEL i know how it happened because you was in

1765
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: the ad been like the first. TIME i can't NO

1766
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: atlt Exactly atlanta and In houston known for. THEM i

1767
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: mean WHEN i was in, college de probably wanted to

1768
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: Play Universe. Houston they was having a hair show in

1769
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: our hotel and SO i, know like, you you came

1770
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: up in that. Coach is that how that all? Happened

1771
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: you being in you being a fixture In atlanta and

1772
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: somebody came at you, like, man you got good.

1773
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: HAIR i want to you let the hairshow HOW i got?

1774
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: You did the hair? Show did the hair show time?

1775
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Out because first of, all y'all don't Know nique one

1776
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: to fly so geez that is he is suited And,

1777
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: buddhist SO i know they.

1778
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Can't, yeah, yeah before before.

1779
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 4: All, that you, know but, yeah, Man proline came to

1780
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 4: me and they found this beautiful girl to put on

1781
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: the box with me and we had these till out.

1782
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: There you, know getting him that angle has. WHIPPED i

1783
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: looked at him, like, MAN i REMEMBER i can see

1784
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 2: you on the. Box SUPPLY i could have hooked you.

1785
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: Up he had a line of product and yeah we Had,

1786
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: yeah but that was the. Times it was. Fun. Man but,

1787
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 2: man those hashows was off the. Chain, Man that's What

1788
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: i'm telling.

1789
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 4: You WHEN i went to the one In, HOUSTON i was,

1790
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 4: like wait a, MINUTE i didn't Think i'm interested in.

1791
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: That, yeah yeah it.

1792
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Was it was a lot of, fun people frequenting and

1793
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: things and. Participating you, know shows was. Different. Bro all,

1794
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: right so this was you, know you come from home

1795
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: Beginnings baltimore To North carolina living with your, coach you.

1796
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Know SO i want to, KNOW i don't want to

1797
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: hear those stories about we all took care of pop

1798
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: so mom and got them a. HOUSE i won't know

1799
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: when got the bad and you got comfortable with your?

1800
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 2: Money what? It what did young? Nik?

1801
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: Dude did you look back on like that was probably,

1802
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: crazy but you loved every moment of it when you

1803
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: was doing it when you was.

1804
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 4: Younger, uh you, know big purchase outside of, mom you,

1805
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 4: know for. Myself, YEAH i bought A Turbo Diesel. Mercedes

1806
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 4: that thing sound like a truck. Airplane you just Tho.

1807
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: Burguny and And babs. Interior oh it was hot made

1808
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 2: that thing would. Fly but you KNOW i look like.

1809
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 4: IT i was, like man, thing, yeah bro number deezel

1810
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 4: burning up the gas LIKE i, said you, know after

1811
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 4: that first it ain't gonna. WORK i traded that thing

1812
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 4: the next. Year but for us as young, men that's

1813
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 4: when you know you. Arrived you when you're able to

1814
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 4: make a purchase like that that you putting their regular.

1815
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 4: Version but, yeah that was that was you. Know AND

1816
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 4: i had myself a little small apartment BECAUSE i didn't

1817
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 4: want much back, then you, know BECAUSE i was concentrating on,

1818
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 4: basketball and so WHAT i got from my mom that's

1819
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 4: totally different from you.

1820
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Know WHAT i got for, myself because as long as

1821
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: she was, GOOD i was. Good yeah that's ALL i.

1822
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 3: WELL i love when the organization have the greats back

1823
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 3: in the organization where it's, commentating working and being in

1824
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 3: the front office or. Whatever since day one that we

1825
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 3: came into the, league we always seen. You you always

1826
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 3: were known as a HARD i always knew WHEN i

1827
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 3: come To atlanta or if we Play, atlanta we're gonna

1828
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 3: make sure we go and speak To nique and make

1829
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 3: sure we show our respects and play our. Respects SO

1830
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: i love always when the organization do. That what it

1831
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 3: means to you to be still be in the organization

1832
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 3: that you fell in love, with the city that you

1833
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 3: fell in love, with and how you there twenty thirty

1834
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 3: years now after and still making an impact on that.

1835
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 4: Organization and, man it's a wonderful. Feeling and you, know

1836
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 4: first of, all you stay, relevant still stay, relevant but more,

1837
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 4: Important and it's showing the appreciation of what you've done

1838
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 4: in that franchise and between franchise and the city has

1839
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 4: treated me better THAN i could have ever. Expected so

1840
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 4: to be a still partner and without new ownership And

1841
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 4: Tony wrestler and our ownership, group that's wonderful people and

1842
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 4: that's embraced me Like i'm part of their.

1843
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 2: Family, yeah that's THE.

1844
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: I want to uh one THING i do want to talk.

1845
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 3: ABOUT i want to talk about your. DAUGHTERS i don't

1846
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: want to pronounce it.

1847
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 4: Wrong the spine up bonne up Spina biffea my youngest. Daughter,

1848
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 4: yeah it's it's a tongue tire.

1849
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 2: Man BUT i want to uh you to just kind

1850
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: of give some type of awareness the people.

1851
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 4: Who, might, well my youngest, daughter have you, know since,

1852
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 4: birth she's dealt with spin of Beffi and what spin

1853
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 4: of beffi it. Is it's kind of a lesion in

1854
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 4: your back where it's opening your back where fluids get

1855
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 4: in and it does damage to your. Organs and so

1856
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 4: she had a surgery that was in you surgery that

1857
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 4: was a surgery that repaired that leads in the back

1858
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 4: to close it. Up but unfortunately it's already done damage

1859
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 4: on your low. Extremity so she's wheelchair bound and she's

1860
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 4: been through twenty seven. Surgeries, yeah atteen, fourteen how.

1861
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 3: Did you, like how did y'all kind of find out?

1862
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: It just the ultrasound shows, it so.

1863
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 2: You might not even, know you might just be walking.

1864
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: Around when they.

1865
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 4: DID, alti we saw how her back. Was the bone

1866
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 4: in the back was outward instead of, even and it

1867
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 4: says we got a. Problem so it had to go

1868
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 4: into a study for three months At. Vanderbilt whe had

1869
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 4: to stay In vanderbilt for three months until she was.

1870
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 4: Delivered so the only three hospitals in the world that

1871
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: did that type of, surgery and we had to qualify

1872
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 4: in the. Study but it just made me more aware

1873
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 4: of how we had to find different options for her

1874
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 4: to thrive in. Life and she's. Independent, man she's done it.

1875
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 4: All she's played will chair basketball. Already you know they

1876
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 4: were number two the between the country and wheelchair basket.

1877
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 4: BALL i told MY i told my, SON i, said you,

1878
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 4: know your little sister been played national. Basketball you haven't

1879
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 4: been out of state. YET i had to rub it.

1880
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 4: In but SO i do a lot with The spain

1881
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 4: of betf for. THAT i do a lot of stuff

1882
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 4: with autistm chairman of the board of a charity Called

1883
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 4: Culture city that deals with hitting, disabilities visible. Disabilities so

1884
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,560
Speaker 4: we our whole campaign is not leaving anybody. Behind you,

1885
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 4: know everybody lives. Matter so, yeah AND i don't want

1886
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 4: to shut Out Damion will that's my. Era you KNOW i, played,

1887
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 4: man you bought that's my. Guy you work with the

1888
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 4: n b P. A now you feel board make me

1889
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 4: feel a. Nephew he's retired to him Like i've been

1890
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 4: around a long. Time All, right this has been. Unbelievable.

1891
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 4: Man we're sitting here with a, legend with somebody.

1892
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: We looked up.

1893
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: To Man highlight twenty One Highlight field film topping it

1894
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: up with. Us, man It's Dominique. Wilkins, y'all, Man i'm

1895
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: just human. Now highlight's. Gone, yes that is.

1896
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 2: Good, OH i appreciate. It. Man all.

1897
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,439
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1898
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