Speaker 1: I miss the green.
Speaker 2: For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball
Speaker 2: in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 3: And when I find my ball in a frid Egg,
Speaker 3: Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Friday Frida Egg, Frida Egg,
Speaker 3: Bride Egg.
Speaker 2: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Friday Egg Podcast. Today we have another mailbag episode with
Speaker 1: Kyle Nathan Draws and Face.
Speaker 2: Kyle welcomes up.
Speaker 1: Andy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, excited to do it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I talked to you yesterday. You said your
Speaker 1: your grinding on your game for a member guest.
Speaker 3: It is a sad state of affairs.
Speaker 4: I wish I was grinding for the mid Am this weekend,
Speaker 4: but unfortunately I didn't try to qualify it and hurt
Speaker 4: all year. It's just kind of been a wasted year.
Speaker 3: But trying to grind for member guest is.
Speaker 4: A new low in my golf career and I just
Speaker 4: have to accept that what are you doing to get ready?
Speaker 2: How do you prepare for remember guests? I think that
Speaker 2: people want to know.
Speaker 4: Well, you have to go to the ATM and get
Speaker 4: some cash, that's usually really good at member guests, and
Speaker 4: that's about it. Unfortunately, since I haven't played very much
Speaker 4: just somewmer, my handicap is still in the range where
Speaker 4: I actually have to try to play decent or I'll
Speaker 4: let my partner down. And it's actually down in Houston
Speaker 4: with my buddy John Hunter and at Carlton Woods, which
Speaker 4: is a very difficult course. So I could shoot in
Speaker 4: the eighties there in a hurry if I'm not careful.
Speaker 4: So that's really what my preventative defense is about.
Speaker 2: You know, the people.
Speaker 1: Are coming at golfers like you this week, you know,
Speaker 1: lots of questions of regarding amateur status and the many
Speaker 1: tour players former many tour players playing midim events now,
Speaker 1: so let's get you know, let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: I got two of them right off the bat. Thoughts
Speaker 1: on amateur status rules and former pros competing with lifetime
Speaker 1: ams in state and USGA events from Andy Roderick.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously it's not ideal. I you know, myself,
Speaker 4: I'm a reinstated AM and I think I probably have,
Speaker 4: you know, ten thousand dollars in career earning, so I
Speaker 4: don't think maybe if that you know that might it's
Speaker 4: not really geared toward me, and I get where a
Speaker 4: lot of guys come from.
Speaker 3: You get some bigger names.
Speaker 2: I know Es Daily.
Speaker 3: Played well in the MIDAM a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: And from what I understand, it's like thirty five forty
Speaker 4: percent of the field, and the Midam is often reinstated.
Speaker 3: Former professionals.
Speaker 4: So the question would be how to combat that, And
Speaker 4: you know, it's hard to do money.
Speaker 3: That's it's money is.
Speaker 4: The only logical thing to me that makes sense. But
Speaker 4: it's hard to do that because in the but you know,
Speaker 4: pre Tiger, the persons were fairly low. So you know,
Speaker 4: if a guy's playing the Nike Tour, say and made
Speaker 4: you know, he could have been playing for three years
Speaker 4: and made forty grand, which is a lot different than
Speaker 4: a guy playing six tour events and making eighty.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's hard to put money into the
Speaker 4: equation because the persons have gone up so dramatically.
Speaker 1: What if they did, like a cut of made cuts
Speaker 1: on nationwide PGA tour.
Speaker 3: See that that would be something that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: I would be all for that because I think that
Speaker 4: you know a guy that at twenty two, goes and
Speaker 4: plays the Mini Tours for a couple of years, and
Speaker 4: you know, then he's working for eleven years. I mean
Speaker 4: that's that's an amateur really, and I think they should
Speaker 4: be able to get their status back. But I agree,
Speaker 4: if someone makes eighteen cuts on the Nationwide Tour, should
Speaker 4: they be allowed to get their amateur status back?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, I think they know.
Speaker 4: I think they should, but there should be some restriction
Speaker 4: in some events. Whether it's the US Mid Am or not,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but there should be some restriction because
Speaker 4: otherwise it just gets out of hand. Because I mean,
Speaker 4: could Tiger get his amateur status back if he wanted?
Speaker 3: I mean technically, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I think So that's the problem is, like you look
Speaker 1: at the reps if you I mean, like Jess Daly's
Speaker 1: a great example. I mean he played professional golf on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, the then Nationwide Tour. I mean it
Speaker 1: was what ten years, twelve years? Yeah, he played for
Speaker 1: a long time, like me sitting in a desk chair
Speaker 1: for ten years versus him playing on Web and PGA
Speaker 1: Tour events for ten years. Like the reps, the PRAC
Speaker 1: does the you know, I sound like Tiger with reps,
Speaker 1: but like that that stuff, like it's not we aren't
Speaker 1: the same, Like Mike. Mike Muir is another good example, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he made it over. I think he
Speaker 1: made over a million dollars on the PGA Tour in
Speaker 1: his career and he put he plays midam stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean it just to me, there's got to be some
Speaker 1: sort of dividing line.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's one thing for a twenty two year old that
Speaker 1: goes and tries and you know, might play a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons on the Canadian Tour and make you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars in their career and come back like that,
Speaker 1: that's one thing.
Speaker 2: But for guys that you know have made.
Speaker 1: You know a great deal of money on the on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour to the point where like you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're getting your amateur stats back. But your job
Speaker 1: is hardly going to be that of a kid that
Speaker 1: you know works for you know. I think one of
Speaker 1: the toughest things with Midham golf is like early in
Speaker 1: your Midham careers, learning.
Speaker 2: Like you're a low level employee, you know, Right, That's.
Speaker 3: The one thing a lot of people take for granted.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 4: You know, they they get their status back, and we've
Speaker 4: seen it in Illinois with some of the players, and
Speaker 4: they automatically think they're gonna win every mid am or
Speaker 4: am tournament they play, and it's not the case because
Speaker 4: it's hard to balance golf and work. It's I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really hard, especially when you're starting a career like you.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, but when you've made a million dollars on
Speaker 1: the on the PGA tour, like.
Speaker 2: You're not starting your career right right.
Speaker 1: You're very You're probably doing quite well, and you you know,
Speaker 1: you've you've met people in your career that can obviously
Speaker 1: put you in a position where you're not, you know,
Speaker 1: grinding for for paychecks.
Speaker 4: But I like the cuts made. That seems, you know,
Speaker 4: of all the options, that seems the best one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, we gotta get we gotta get
Speaker 1: you out of out of mid am events.
Speaker 2: That's that's the goal. Had all the all the former
Speaker 2: pros out, you know, I'd have it. I'd have a
Speaker 2: fighting chance.
Speaker 3: Here's a mid am question.
Speaker 4: This is from Mike Wallace. He says, Okay, you're fred Ridley.
Speaker 4: You decide to give Jeff Knox an invite to the
Speaker 4: next five Masters. He obviously plays as an am. He
Speaker 4: plays from the same tease as the pros. How many
Speaker 4: cuts does he make? How many times does he win
Speaker 4: low am? How many top tens does he contend in?
Speaker 3: All five? Does he win one?
Speaker 1: So I think, uh, I think Jeff Knox is like
Speaker 1: the most overblown story in golf. It's like just overhyped.
Speaker 1: But he's really good. He's a really good midam. But
Speaker 1: is he as good as like say Stuart Hagastad or
Speaker 1: Scott Harvey, Like, No, he happens to play Augusta's his
Speaker 1: home course, so that's a big advantage.
Speaker 2: I honestly think he would make one cut out of
Speaker 2: five I have.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I think.
Speaker 4: To one cut, maybe two, But I mean at the
Speaker 4: absolute maximum, I'd say makes two cuts and maybe wins
Speaker 4: low am one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, zero top tens doesn't contend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he shoots a lot of like
Speaker 2: seventy six.
Speaker 3: Is I'm in agreement.
Speaker 4: It's much easier to play when you can just pick
Speaker 4: your ball up, you know, once you're out of the hole.
Speaker 2: Very his you know, beating.
Speaker 1: He also always plays with like the guy that just
Speaker 1: shot like eighty on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Right is trying to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2: So like that's the other thing. It's like, oh he
Speaker 2: beat this guy, but like that guy didn't really care, Like.
Speaker 3: They don't Birdy two and three. It's get me out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 2: I'm in last place right now. So all right, let's see.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of questions. So do you have
Speaker 1: any good putting games that you like to play? And
Speaker 1: this is from Scott du Dick. He's got this game wide,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to explain everything involved in it.
Speaker 2: We'll explain it. If you don't have any good putting games.
Speaker 3: What I do have is the card game. Have you
Speaker 3: played the card game?
Speaker 2: I have not played the card game.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fun. So, you know, if you have
Speaker 4: a foursome. Sometimes it works better if you have a
Speaker 4: couple of foursomes. But you know, say everybody puts twenty
Speaker 4: dollars into the pot, and then and then after the round,
Speaker 4: you start with five cards, you know, out of a deck,
Speaker 4: and every time you get a one putt throughout the day,
Speaker 4: you get an extra card. Every time you three putt,
Speaker 4: you put you know, say five dollars in the pot
Speaker 4: and you subtract a card. So it's it's a little
Speaker 4: finicky because you know if you're on the fringe and
Speaker 4: you you know, that's a one putt if you just
Speaker 4: get it up and down whatever, But you know, you
Speaker 4: wind up some guy. You know, it's not it's not
Speaker 4: skill based really, but you know, some guys will have
Speaker 4: nine cards and they'll have you know, four of a kind.
Speaker 4: Some guys will have four cards and they have no
Speaker 4: chance to win. It's just kind of a nic, a
Speaker 4: little side thing to do.
Speaker 2: You could end up with like a ton of card huh.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, totally, and someone else is pumping the pot
Speaker 3: for you too.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about fringe and putting. I
Speaker 1: feel like it should count as putts.
Speaker 2: It should.
Speaker 4: I honestly usually do count it as putts. When I
Speaker 4: think about my round and I say, you know, if
Speaker 4: I put three putts from the fringe or get down
Speaker 4: in three from the fringe, I always I just to myself,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that's a three putt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if it's up against the collar and you
Speaker 1: use putter, like I feel like that's a pass.
Speaker 2: It's more of a chip then. But if you're like,
Speaker 2: if you're like a foot on the fringe, like that's
Speaker 2: a pot.
Speaker 3: I use my discretion.
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes I'll get the chili dips go on
Speaker 4: and I'll put from nine yards off the green.
Speaker 3: I don't count that as a putt.
Speaker 2: But what uh do you do?
Speaker 1: You always pull the pin when you when you've got
Speaker 1: the h when you're on the fringe.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I usually do, I mean almost always.
Speaker 4: I know they say, you know, there's no real research.
Speaker 4: I guess Pell said, right, but if you're downhill, if anything,
Speaker 4: if you're down, he'll leave it in. Up he'll take
Speaker 4: it out. I almost always just take it out.
Speaker 1: My philosophy is like I make all my putts with
Speaker 1: a pin out, So why would I keep the pin
Speaker 1: in and like visually and psychologically have.
Speaker 2: A pin in there? Right? Yeah? All right?
Speaker 1: With the youth movement on the PGA tour, This from
Speaker 1: Andrew Vitt, friend of the Witch.
Speaker 2: Should the President's.
Speaker 1: Cup team reserve two spots for thirty five plus year
Speaker 1: olds mid am or mid pros.
Speaker 3: The old mid pro. Yeah, it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4: We had some other questions about the President's Cup, and
Speaker 4: I know we talked, we didn't. We didn't spend too
Speaker 4: much time watching it. I really, in my whole life,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I've spent much time watching it.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't really appeal to me.
Speaker 4: It hasn't been competitive, you know, for what, you know,
Speaker 4: whatever that reason may be, whether the internationals, you know,
Speaker 4: they have their little two somes and three somes of
Speaker 4: you know, countrymen, but other than that, they have no
Speaker 4: greater you know, patriotism like we do, pull themselves together,
Speaker 4: and obviously for something like that, motivation is important. But
Speaker 4: you know, I think they could make it a lot
Speaker 4: more fun by making it co ed if you had
Speaker 4: you know, six and six or even eight, eight tour
Speaker 4: guys and four women. You know, I don't watch much
Speaker 4: women's golf, but I would be interested in watching that
Speaker 4: way more than the current state. And plus it would
Speaker 4: be a lot more competitive because I think the international
Speaker 4: women would have the advantage over the American women. And
Speaker 4: there's some contrived co ed events, you know, like the
Speaker 4: Templeton shootout and all that. But to me, that would
Speaker 4: be I would watch that in a heartbeat, and I
Speaker 4: currently don't watch it, so to me it would be appealing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they need I think that.
Speaker 1: Originally, the idea of like making Ryder Cup points two
Speaker 1: was a great one, but the execution and like the
Speaker 1: results thus far have been pretty lackluster.
Speaker 2: So shake up something right, right, all right?
Speaker 3: I want to get to our first overrated underrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah we got you got tons of them.
Speaker 4: Joe Mayberry overrated underrated Opening and closing on opening or
Speaker 4: closing around on a part three, So.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say opening overright. I hate it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: hitting like especially if.
Speaker 2: It's a long iron, like so brutal.
Speaker 1: I had a Usam qualifier like last year, and I
Speaker 1: was playing really good golf, but I I went into
Speaker 1: it and I had to hit like a three iron
Speaker 1: to like a small green on the tenth hole, and
Speaker 1: that was it was just the worst way to start
Speaker 1: my round. I hit a bad shot and just got
Speaker 1: off flustered.
Speaker 2: I was like behind a tree.
Speaker 1: So I'm out on opening par threes and I just
Speaker 1: like broke my cardinal rule of like using a personal.
Speaker 2: Experience in a tournament. But closing part three is I
Speaker 2: actually kind of like them.
Speaker 1: I think they're cool, especially if if it's got a
Speaker 1: if it's got a tough green like Glen Floor Country club.
Speaker 3: That that green is jacked. That's a good hole.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's hard to make a it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good test of golf because you know,
Speaker 1: with today's day and age, like it's very rare for
Speaker 1: people to hit mid.
Speaker 2: And long irons in the game.
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't mind the closing part three because
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the final test, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: got to hit you gotta hit a really good golf
Speaker 1: shot here with a mid iron, and then you got
Speaker 1: to be in the right spot to make a putt,
Speaker 1: like if you make a birdie, you really earn earn
Speaker 1: it on.
Speaker 2: You know. Part three's generally.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't really prefer either. Opening is difficult,
Speaker 4: you know. I feel like whenever you're playing in a
Speaker 4: shotgun event and you see your first hole as a
Speaker 4: four iron, you're like, oh God, what a brutal break.
Speaker 4: And closing, I don't know, I think, you know, East
Speaker 4: Lake Greenbrier, there's some some out there on tour. I
Speaker 4: think Congressional did the right thing by switching the finish.
Speaker 4: You know, eighteen is kind of a whatever Part three,
Speaker 4: and you know, now it's an awesome Part four, So
Speaker 4: I'm out on both.
Speaker 2: John Hunter, your partner, You've got a question for you.
Speaker 2: What point should I go pro?
Speaker 1: When my handicap finally gets to the zero or after
Speaker 1: I win my club championship.
Speaker 4: I think you wait till after the club championship. You know,
Speaker 4: once you can consistently beat two and three handicaps under pressure,
Speaker 4: I think the game is sharp enough to turn pro.
Speaker 4: So as soon, maybe the Monday after the club championship,
Speaker 4: you go out that night and have a good time
Speaker 4: and start your next page as a professional. The next Monday, I.
Speaker 2: Have a press conference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, at least a periscope is.
Speaker 2: A Friday will start to televised though.
Speaker 4: All right, Cody friend of the pod, Cody Sunberg wants
Speaker 4: to know what is the average tour players handicap?
Speaker 3: Do you think plus six plus seven?
Speaker 1: I think about when I play with like Vince India
Speaker 1: who's on the web, or like T. K. Kelly or
Speaker 1: Zach Blair, like the times I've played with him, and
Speaker 1: I need like five shots to make it competitive and
Speaker 1: a lot of times I still lose. Like so I
Speaker 1: would say, like I play around like plus one plus
Speaker 1: two when I'm playing good golf, and.
Speaker 2: I would say at least plus seven. What do you think,
Speaker 2: like A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4: I mean I think that's pretty pretty spot on six
Speaker 4: to eight plus six to eight. Do you remember I'm
Speaker 4: sure you know someone you guys can google this, but
Speaker 4: there was someone wrote an article excuse me, on Tiger
Speaker 4: Woods's two thousand and one season if you just you
Speaker 4: know the rounds he played.
Speaker 3: Basically he equated like a plus eleven I think it
Speaker 3: was or something that year. It was just insane golf.
Speaker 1: That's That's the other tough thing is like, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you measure like because we have like the
Speaker 1: slope and rating stuff is so crazy because like you can't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't measure wind, It doesn't measure conditions like like
Speaker 1: I think about it like tournaments all the time, Like
Speaker 1: what's a PGA Tour set up?
Speaker 2: Or like a US Open shooting sixty three in the
Speaker 2: US Open? Right? I mean, is that is that? Like
Speaker 2: what's the slope and rating of that event?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Is that like a plus twenty differential? Right?
Speaker 3: I I agree.
Speaker 4: I The weather has I mean there's some I hate.
Speaker 4: I don't really like the handicap system. I don't know
Speaker 4: if anyone has a good logical fix for it. But
Speaker 4: you know, there's so many things. You play in a
Speaker 4: thirty five mile hour wind on a course that's rated
Speaker 4: seventy two and you shoot seventy four.
Speaker 3: I mean that's not that bad of a round, but.
Speaker 4: Not good.
Speaker 1: You know, the course one of the courses I played
Speaker 1: this weekend, bally Neil, I loved it, doesn't even have
Speaker 1: slope and rating. Can euners score from there in the handicap?
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, I don't know that I've ever heard of that.
Speaker 1: Well, they don't have T boxes, they don't have T markers.
Speaker 1: They have T boxes, no T markers. You just pick
Speaker 1: where you want to play every hole.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a fantasy land for you, Oh, spectacular
Speaker 3: with for days.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like when we played this winner, like it
Speaker 1: was windy and with a couple holes, like you know,
Speaker 1: a couple holes we wanted to play par five's up,
Speaker 1: so they were so they're gettable, Like play them up
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, Like why why do we got to
Speaker 1: be constricted by by entering a score?
Speaker 3: I like that approach. My dad to this day like
Speaker 3: has never kept scores.
Speaker 4: Played probably I don't know, six maybe a thousand rounds
Speaker 4: and he just doesn't keep scores like I would have.
Speaker 3: You know, I would want to torture myself.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I care less and less about a score.
Speaker 2: It's been so much more enjoyable. I think score is overrated.
Speaker 3: Score overrated.
Speaker 1: I'm with you here, here's one Benjamin McIntyre lunch at
Speaker 1: the Turn overrated, underrated.
Speaker 4: I'm uh, I'm split on this. It depends on your
Speaker 4: on your time. Sometimes I'm cool with literally stopping and
Speaker 4: letting like four groups go through and having like a
Speaker 4: nice luxurious lunch and a couple of beers and you know,
Speaker 4: having a good time, maybe watching some TV and literally
Speaker 4: like an hour long lunch, And I'm I love that sometimes.
Speaker 4: But sometimes you just want to get out of there.
Speaker 4: And so I think it's solely dependent on the time
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 2: So I think it's all based on the time of tioff.
Speaker 1: So like if you t off at ten o'clock on
Speaker 1: a day like, let's let's be real, you're not going
Speaker 1: to really do anything that day. You know your day's
Speaker 1: gone because you know, you tea off at ten. If
Speaker 1: you play a fast round, you're done it. You know,
Speaker 1: if assuming the course is busy, you're gonna be done
Speaker 1: at like two or two thirty, so you're right by
Speaker 1: the time you get home it's like four. I mean
Speaker 1: the days over so on. At ten o'clock tea off time,
Speaker 1: like yeah, Jill, have lunch. You know you just are
Speaker 1: getting home at dinner time, right, just just pushing back
Speaker 1: when you get home.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say underrated, underrated, next one, overrated underrated. General
Speaker 4: thoughts on driving range versus just playing for practice and improvement.
Speaker 1: I have I've practiced like once this whole year, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go the driving range is overrated.
Speaker 2: I just go out and hit shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know where I stand. It's overrated
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: I think that, at least from my own personal experiences,
Speaker 4: I've played the best golf when I'm barely hitting balls
Speaker 4: on the range and just playing as much as I
Speaker 4: humanly can, because I think that you know, that helps
Speaker 4: you get sharp under pressure, and you know, you get
Speaker 4: so many different shots you'd never hit on the range.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of playing to improve.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, one of my pet peeves is seeing
Speaker 1: like twenty handicaps just beating balls on a range.
Speaker 2: It's like your swing is not.
Speaker 1: Like good, So you're just ingraining bad habits Dal, I
Speaker 1: think it's Duval, Yeah it.
Speaker 3: Dovall used to say he never hit.
Speaker 4: A lot of balls because when he was hitting the
Speaker 4: ball well, he knew he was swinging it well. He
Speaker 4: didn't need to keep hitting balls his swing was grooved.
Speaker 4: If he was hitting it bad, he didn't want to keep,
Speaker 4: you know, grinding the bad swing over and over again.
Speaker 4: So he just said he didn't hit very many balls.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of guys like that. I
Speaker 4: know Rich Beam said he basically hit wedges and drivers
Speaker 4: and that was about it.
Speaker 3: On the range.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this, I think practicing your wedges is underrated and.
Speaker 2: And hitting balls in general is way overrated. Free completely
Speaker 2: with Duval.
Speaker 1: I think using like going out and playing with like
Speaker 1: seven clubs is this way underrated too, because, like I agree,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have to hit like seven
Speaker 1: iron punch shots from one forty and like, you hit
Speaker 1: those shots and then the next round you play, you
Speaker 1: get into the trees and you have you see, you've
Speaker 1: seen this low shot, you know, right, so then you
Speaker 1: go out and you can hit that shot. So I
Speaker 1: would say that's a better way to practice than going
Speaker 1: to the range.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Sam Snead had a quote. I think
Speaker 4: he said, if he'd had to do it all over again,
Speaker 4: he would only hit.
Speaker 3: Under one hundred yard shots and drivers. That's all he
Speaker 3: would ever practice. And you could probably get pretty good,
Speaker 3: especially in today's day and age, just doing that.
Speaker 2: So here's a question I really liked why it is
Speaker 2: from Andrew Allen.
Speaker 1: Why isn't there more focused on the rookie Reshuffle showcase
Speaker 1: that in the All in Spring instead of the FedEx
Speaker 1: Cup standings.
Speaker 3: I'll defer this thist to you because I want to
Speaker 3: know why too.
Speaker 4: And I think that you know, your newsletter does such
Speaker 4: a good job of, you know, previewing the younger guys
Speaker 4: that for some reason, nobody talks about.
Speaker 2: So I think so much of it has to do
Speaker 2: with marketing. I mean, like FedEx Cup. FedEx pays for
Speaker 2: the FedEx Cup, but you know.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's kind of like, oh, they paid
Speaker 1: for this, so we have to do it versus bringing
Speaker 1: them an alternative option.
Speaker 2: Be like, we know this is important, but we.
Speaker 1: Clearly see that it's it's pretty stupid to do here,
Speaker 1: And why don't we say, like this FedEx Cup up
Speaker 1: like this FedEx update of the Rookie reshuffle and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you know, like the clear
Speaker 1: reason why you just get FedEx cups shoved down your
Speaker 1: throat is because FedEx pays the tour ginormous sum of money.
Speaker 1: But why don't you just take some of the money
Speaker 1: they paid for that and say like, hey, like we
Speaker 1: have gotten feedback that this is dumb, so we're going
Speaker 1: to do something different, Like what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: Like cause, like I think rookie reshuffle in the priority
Speaker 1: ranking is like the most under MISSI like not understood
Speaker 1: thing for for golf fans. Like a guy could be playing,
Speaker 1: he could be in fiftieth place, but he could be
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth hole at a certain event based off
Speaker 1: of like the reshuffle when it happens and needs a
Speaker 1: birdie to get into the next three events. Like that
Speaker 1: that is great drama that's in like at the you know,
Speaker 1: like Xander Shaffle is a perfect example. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a good status coming in to last year, but he
Speaker 1: finished t fifth at Sanderson and that got him into
Speaker 1: all the events in the in the in early twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and it allowed him to play and everything.
Speaker 2: But like you see it so much, is that a rookie.
Speaker 1: That doesn't play well in the fall pretty much has
Speaker 1: no chance of keeping his car because like the next
Speaker 1: start he gets is at Sony. If he doesn't play
Speaker 1: well there, then the next start he's going to get
Speaker 1: is at Pebble Beach, and he might get a terrible
Speaker 1: pro am partner, you know, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred and eighty fifth and fedec Cup points
Speaker 1: when he's making these starts and he's like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I got to play well. Yeah.
Speaker 3: To me, that's much more appealing to follow than you know,
Speaker 3: the event itself.
Speaker 4: Basically, I think that's in every sport. We you know,
Speaker 4: obsess over rookies, like we are with Trubisky coming up
Speaker 4: here in Chicago. But you know, there's a focus on
Speaker 4: rookies where I think the tour kind of lacks that
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 1: But I think I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: they got I think the Internet has allowed for, Like
Speaker 1: the tour is still stuck behind what the Internet is
Speaker 1: and what it can do. Like you know, like Xander
Speaker 1: Schoffley has become like an overnight star. Wes Bryan came
Speaker 1: in with like you know starting like, people know who
Speaker 1: these guys are more so they did fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: because of the Internet. Like so they're still stuck in like, oh,
Speaker 1: we need to hype Jim Furick because he sea.
Speaker 2: Like when you could you could make a name for.
Speaker 1: These guys at a much earlier stage, absolutely because of
Speaker 1: the Internet. But they still think it takes ten years
Speaker 1: for somebody to become a big name.
Speaker 3: So you brought up Xander speak.
Speaker 4: We got a cup, We got a couple of questions
Speaker 4: on you know who from this President's Cup team won't
Speaker 4: be on the Ryder Cup next year? Who you know
Speaker 4: who will be on the Ryder Cup. He was the
Speaker 4: first name that came to mind that could make the
Speaker 4: jump to the Ryder Cup next year, you know, not
Speaker 4: looking at the points, just going from the eye test,
Speaker 4: But what do you think?
Speaker 2: So I would say that.
Speaker 1: You got Chapel, Hoffman Kiszner are kind of three guys
Speaker 1: Like I don't think all three of those guys aren't
Speaker 1: going to be on the team. You know, like one
Speaker 1: of one or two of those guys isn't gonna be
Speaker 1: on the team next year.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree with that? Yes? I would?
Speaker 4: I mean I I we could throw Phil in there too, Phil,
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 2: I don't think Phil. I mean that's a that's a
Speaker 2: great question.
Speaker 1: Is is Phil going to be on the team if
Speaker 1: he has a year like he had this year next year?
Speaker 4: I think probably, but you know I don't. It's by
Speaker 4: no means a lock.
Speaker 1: And you know, then you look at so like Xander Schaffle,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what he does this year.
Speaker 1: You've got Ali Schneider jans.
Speaker 2: Had like I think he had like four or five
Speaker 2: top tens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was real, he was consistent.
Speaker 1: So like you look at a guy that's probably gonna
Speaker 1: win this year, I think he's gonna Like I always
Speaker 1: look at guys, is that if I'm gonna look for
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna break out, is like find a guy
Speaker 1: that was in contention like four or five times the
Speaker 1: year before but didn't win, and they'll probably win the
Speaker 1: next year, right Like I Adam Hadwin was a perfect
Speaker 1: example of that last year to this year. So like
Speaker 1: Ali Schneider Dance, I think is gonna win a tournament
Speaker 1: this year, So he's one that would be in there.
Speaker 1: And then you've got all these older guys like you know,
Speaker 1: Snyder Kerr has been injured, but like if he comes
Speaker 1: back and wins an event or two, like he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 2: In mm hmm. Then you've got I mean, Jim Jimmy
Speaker 2: Walker's down forty seventh in the world.
Speaker 1: Which is kind of crazy, but wow, you've got You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of young guys.
Speaker 2: Peter Euline. I don't think he'll get up there this year.
Speaker 1: But I would say that Patrick Cantley's got a good
Speaker 1: chance of getting on that team. And it's really you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get hot Tony final.
Speaker 4: Right, if history's been in the indicator, there's gonna be
Speaker 4: one out of left field that you know, wins two
Speaker 4: or three events next year and gets a spot.
Speaker 2: There's yeah, I mean, there's gonna be. There's gonna be.
Speaker 2: I think there's two.
Speaker 1: There's three spots that are interchangeable, those three Kissner, Chapel,
Speaker 1: Phil and Hoffin. So there's probably eight guys that are
Speaker 1: gonna be on you. I mean like Dustin Johnson, Speeth,
Speaker 1: Ricky J. T. Brooks, Coocher read or locks. Right, So
Speaker 1: how many players of that that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven,
Speaker 1: So you got seven locks and there's five spots up
Speaker 1: for grabs, and you could put probably twenty five guys
Speaker 1: in those five spots and wouldn't be surprised if any
Speaker 1: of them made it right.
Speaker 3: That should be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what the euro team. I
Speaker 1: think that's almost more interesting what the euro team will
Speaker 1: look like. Like Westwood's getting old and you've got Fleetwood.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of young guys. Like everybody bags
Speaker 1: on the young talent in Europe, but like Paul Dunn
Speaker 1: won a tournament. They got this Italian kid, Bernardo put
Speaker 1: perr Tory who won. He's twenty years old last year.
Speaker 3: So Paul Dun is a player.
Speaker 1: He is, He's really good. He that's uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: sixty one to win is pretty good.
Speaker 3: He's been in contention to a couple of times and
Speaker 3: obviously played well in the open.
Speaker 1: You've got d Tree to the other Belgian kid that
Speaker 1: went to Illinois, who's young.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of young talent over there.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's say you just got back from you know,
Speaker 3: sand Hills and bally Neil. How would you split ten
Speaker 3: rounds between the two.
Speaker 1: So I've thought about this a lot, and this is
Speaker 1: like no, no, nothing on bally Neil. I think it's
Speaker 1: like a world class golf course and a spectacular golf course.
Speaker 1: But sand Hills is like a whole nother lie level
Speaker 1: of golf that I've probably never experienced before playing there.
Speaker 1: It would be either eight to two or nine to one.
Speaker 2: Wow. So I really love bally Neil though it's really
Speaker 2: really great.
Speaker 1: It's just it's more of a testament to sand Hills
Speaker 1: than anything else. Like sand Hills is my my like
Speaker 1: kind of Nirvana. It's it's got a lot of width,
Speaker 1: it's all about angles, tons of strategy. Every hole, you know,
Speaker 1: you can change the pin and that the whole drastically
Speaker 1: changes you change.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of holes, like I played sixty three
Speaker 1: holes out there, and there's a lot of holes where
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure what the right play is, you know,
Speaker 1: And I've played it like six different ways, dropping balls
Speaker 1: like in later rounds and trying different shots.
Speaker 2: So it's it's that place is a spectacular.
Speaker 1: Place that everybody should if they get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go out there.
Speaker 3: Awesome all right, Overrated, underrated range balls, pre recreational round.
Speaker 1: I think overrated. I don't have a lot of range balls.
Speaker 1: I usually just scrambling to get to the course on time.
Speaker 2: What about you, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna say underrated.
Speaker 4: I actually play a ton of rounds without hitting range balls,
Speaker 4: and I always get pissed off on like the third
Speaker 4: hole when I'm two over, I'm like, why the hell
Speaker 4: didn't I hit balls?
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say underrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't really care about my score and recreational rounds either,
Speaker 1: so that's that's part of why I think it's overrated.
Speaker 2: What do you think on overrated? Underrated? On trees in
Speaker 2: the fairway.
Speaker 3: Way overrated?
Speaker 4: I trees in the fairway are I mean, I know
Speaker 4: how you feel about trees in general, but trees in
Speaker 4: the fairway are terrible. There's a golf course. What's the
Speaker 4: it's in, dear Briarwood. Is it Briarwood in Deerfield Green, Well,
Speaker 4: briar Wood both of those Revene Green too, but Briarwood.
Speaker 4: It's like seventeen great holes, and then you get to
Speaker 4: the eighteenth hole and it's a dog leg left with
Speaker 4: a tree in the middle of the fairway, and you're like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is the worst wall I've ever played. This course sucks.
Speaker 4: Even though the seventeen holes were good. It just it's
Speaker 4: frustrating to Uh, it's just it's not fair. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's beyond domb.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I you can occasionally pull off a tree in the
Speaker 1: fairway like that. It's okay every once in a while,
Speaker 1: but it has to be the right spot.
Speaker 3: But like where you got an example, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like swings Cove has one that I don't mind.
Speaker 1: It's like by the green and it's like a short
Speaker 1: par five. So like if you're not going like if
Speaker 1: you're going for the green, it acts like you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're.
Speaker 2: Probably coming in and the ball is gonna roll up there,
Speaker 2: you know. But if you.
Speaker 1: Don't, then you have to hit to a certain side
Speaker 1: of the fairway that's like eighty five yards wide to
Speaker 1: set up your angle into the green.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It just like emphasizes like they're kind of emphasizes like that, Okay,
Speaker 1: this fairway is eighty yards wide. The worst place I
Speaker 1: can be is in the middle of the fairway because
Speaker 1: I have no chance to get around this tree.
Speaker 2: So it pushes people to play.
Speaker 1: To the edges of the fairway where there are bunkers
Speaker 1: and you know, there's the property lines on the left.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, that's okay.
Speaker 1: But like it's eighty yards wide versus like something that's
Speaker 1: like twenty five yards wide and you have a tree
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 2: Like, that's not acceptable.
Speaker 3: Agreed, all right?
Speaker 2: Here, what's your most helpful putting tools or drills that
Speaker 2: you use from Luke Smith?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have too many dramatic drills. I kind
Speaker 4: of stick the two t's in the ground, you know,
Speaker 4: put between them. I saw most of the guys do
Speaker 4: that the last time I was the Masters, and I
Speaker 4: was like, well, if they're doing it, I might as
Speaker 4: well do it too, So I I do that quite
Speaker 4: a bit. That's probably the only I guess drill I do.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 2: I carry a yard stick around with me. I have
Speaker 2: like this. It's called the perfect putting aid.
Speaker 1: If it's not like a real yardstick, but you can
Speaker 1: just go to home depot and get like a metal
Speaker 1: yard stick and I just put down a yard stick
Speaker 1: if you can put it, I think like a yard
Speaker 1: without it rolling off either side. You're hitting, You're rolling
Speaker 1: the ball perfectly.
Speaker 4: It is amazing how hard it is to do that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like it's amazing. You're like, what the hell I can't
Speaker 4: hit a putt a foot, you know, without rolling.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like when I'm putting really well, like I if
Speaker 1: I use it a lot, I start putting really well.
Speaker 2: But I've used it.
Speaker 1: Like twice this whole year, so that's probably why I'm
Speaker 1: putted well all year. But like I try and do
Speaker 1: like ten or twenty in a row, and like it's
Speaker 1: really hard. The last couple You're like, You're like, please, please,
Speaker 1: just you know, and it puts a little pressure on it,
Speaker 1: which is good.
Speaker 2: And uh Luke Smith.
Speaker 1: Also, do you have any recks for Fort Myers or Naples?
Speaker 4: You know, not, not really, I'm not sure. What's uh
Speaker 4: is a corkscrew?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I think that's public.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's not good golf there really that's public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure corkscrew is public.
Speaker 4: Other than that, you know, someone else asked us what's
Speaker 4: the best way to get on private courses? And you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes you can just call and say, you know, you're
Speaker 4: in from out of town and you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: I mean it probably works less than forty percent of
Speaker 4: the time, but you can't hurt to try or have
Speaker 4: your pro call at.
Speaker 3: Your local golf court. You know, I I think cork.
Speaker 2: Screws public a good way.
Speaker 1: If you like you're if you're authentic, like I've I
Speaker 1: know that a letter sometimes works.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So if you're very.
Speaker 1: Authentic and you like explain why you want to see
Speaker 1: the golf course, like it would help if like you
Speaker 1: knew some stuff about the golf course that was why
Speaker 1: you wanted to see it, Like, you know, I love architecture, Like,
Speaker 1: don't make it about your personal quest to play the
Speaker 1: top one hundred courses, but you know, I love architecture.
Speaker 1: I you know, I understand that this course is so
Speaker 1: and so, like I'd love to see it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's a good way to get out to some
Speaker 2: of these places.
Speaker 1: And it probably won't work all the time and everywhere,
Speaker 1: but if people people are looking to help you, if
Speaker 1: you if you do things the right way, and if
Speaker 1: that happens, like sending a nice thank you note that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, like.
Speaker 2: It'll help you. Let's see.
Speaker 1: God, Hey, so this is going back to like President's Cup,
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup. Which player that wasn't on the President's Cup
Speaker 1: would you be most excited to see in the Ryder.
Speaker 4: Cup Xander going back to him, I just you know,
Speaker 4: the way he played in in big events at Aaron
Speaker 4: Hills and then in Atlanta, was was pretty cool to see.
Speaker 3: I I'm I would be very excited to see him play.
Speaker 4: You're in on ax I am x going and give
Speaker 4: it to you.
Speaker 1: You've you've You've pushed all your chips and this is
Speaker 1: why we need the stock market.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think in the previous podcast I mentioned I would
Speaker 4: buy I would be all in on uh Xander stay.
Speaker 1: In Florida, and this is we could go, you know,
Speaker 1: without public or private, so we could do private and
Speaker 1: public here.
Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite courses in Florida? Hersh
Speaker 2: from Hers.
Speaker 3: I like lob Lolly.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 3: The TPC Stadium course. It's so far north, it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like it's in Florida.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Public. I like World Woods. That's always a fun place
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think you can play thirty six holes for like
Speaker 4: one hundred bucks and it's really it's really good. Trying
Speaker 4: to think where else Jupiter Hills. I haven't played Seminole,
Speaker 4: but obviously that would be at the top of any list.
Speaker 2: John's Island, Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, John's Island's amazing. Forgot about that too, And then
Speaker 4: there's another one there. There's a couple of courses in
Speaker 4: Zero Orchid Island is good.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good courses. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: really good courses. Not a lot of great courses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a stream song. Courses are good. They're they're expensive,
Speaker 1: but they're really good. Winter Park is super cool. You
Speaker 1: played Winter Park?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not gonna be hard, like
Speaker 1: it is kind of hard though for how it's short.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty what twenty six or twenty four hundred
Speaker 1: yard nine hall course.
Speaker 2: It's just weird.
Speaker 3: It's so it's it's one of a kind. You're not
Speaker 3: used to hitting.
Speaker 4: You know, the greens are big and undulating or not,
Speaker 4: you know, not so big, but they have big undulations
Speaker 4: in them, and you know, the bunkers are well manicured,
Speaker 4: and it looks like you're playing you know, you know,
Speaker 4: major golf course and you know.
Speaker 3: You're hit it's two sixty. You're like, wow, what a weird.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's it's a lot of fun though.
Speaker 3: I love that place. I plan on playing there again too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I that's like a it's such a cool spot.
Speaker 2: I played.
Speaker 1: Atlantic Beach Country Club up in Jacksonville's cool, cool little spot.
Speaker 2: They did the same kind of idea.
Speaker 1: It's that you know nothing property and they and they
Speaker 1: had the Web finals there last week.
Speaker 2: But they made it wall the wall fairway. It was cool.
Speaker 1: A place that I didn't get a check out was
Speaker 1: which I turned Tron and DJ onto is called Hyde
Speaker 1: Park and it's a in Jacksonville. It's a originally a
Speaker 1: Stanley Thompson design that they think is a a they
Speaker 1: say is Donald Ross, but like supposed to be really good.
Speaker 1: I go, I gotta see it next time I'm down there.
Speaker 1: Mountain Lake's awesome, awesome course. I played this place called
Speaker 1: Shingle Creek that just got redone by Arnold Palmer's guy,
Speaker 1: Thad Layton, and he did a really good job basically
Speaker 1: just kind of redid all the greens and he had
Speaker 1: budget to basically do everything inside one hundred yards, so
Speaker 1: you see, really cool green complex is really cool bunkering.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure on the price.
Speaker 1: The price kind of fluctuates there some times it is
Speaker 1: pretty pricey, which kind of turns it off. But you know,
Speaker 1: Orlando doesn't have a ton of great options. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's decent and they did a really good job with
Speaker 1: what they had.
Speaker 2: To work with there.
Speaker 1: I don't think Tampa lost that. Bellevue builtmore the Donald
Speaker 1: Ross course there. I guess some guy bought it from
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened. They bought it from
Speaker 1: the municipality, and.
Speaker 3: He's Commisia and Tampa's really cool.
Speaker 1: And then of course I want to go see tim
Speaker 1: Iquana another one.
Speaker 3: There's a there's not a ton of Maurial we left
Speaker 3: off that list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the Memorial is a good one too that
Speaker 2: I haven't seen. Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, not great. Lots of lots of courses though,
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Let's see how.
Speaker 3: About this one.
Speaker 4: Speeth was so wrong on the penalty he was given
Speaker 4: on Saturday at twelve. He acted like a spoiled little millennial.
Speaker 4: Does this bother you? That's from Bill who is at
Speaker 4: dj D Johnson Swag.
Speaker 1: So I think you just didn't under I mean it's
Speaker 1: like the perfect example of like the the rule is
Speaker 1: the ruling was right, but the situation, like the ball
Speaker 1: wasn't going like picking up the ball in motion you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do, but like the given the circumstance, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, Yeah, it's tricky. No, No, I've been a lot.
Speaker 4: I've been critical, as you know about on speech at
Speaker 4: times for carrying on and this and that. But I
Speaker 4: don't think he was in the wrong with his questioning
Speaker 4: and you know, hands in the air, and I probably
Speaker 4: would have been the same way because yeah, it didn't
Speaker 4: affect the whole one bit whatsoever. I get that, you know,
Speaker 4: it could hit a meteor and bounce back and.
Speaker 3: Go on the hole.
Speaker 4: I guess I get why they called it. It's just
Speaker 4: one of those things you have to deal with, I
Speaker 4: guess sometimes in golf, just you know, it is what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: It's it's a bizarre It was bizarre, and you know
Speaker 3: that's why you saw kind of the exasperated looks of
Speaker 3: Tiger and Jordan, where you know they there's not much
Speaker 3: you can do. It's just kind of a it's just
Speaker 3: up to.
Speaker 4: The rules official and you know you got to play it,
Speaker 4: call the rules the way they are, and just unfortunate,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of like in the NBA when guys go for
Speaker 1: the intentional foul and the guy just like shucks up
Speaker 1: a shot.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that, like, you know, the guy
Speaker 1: isn't going to make that shot, but if like you
Speaker 1: just can't do it, you know, right, it's.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Another interesting question we got was from Brendan Porath regarding
Speaker 1: Stymy's if they should be back into match Bay. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a great, great question. I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of am in on Steymy's.
Speaker 4: I think I'm When I first read the question, I
Speaker 4: was like, absolutely not, and then I started thinking about
Speaker 4: it more, and it would just be you'd have to
Speaker 4: develop a whole new skill, right, because it would be
Speaker 4: it wouldn't just be you wouldn't be playing the same
Speaker 4: way and just being like, oh shit, there's a ball
Speaker 4: in my way, you know, but you'd really you'd have
Speaker 4: to really playing your way around and come up with
Speaker 4: some spinning putts and whatnot. But you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: fine with maybe one one event a year if they
Speaker 4: really wanted to do it, but no more than that.
Speaker 4: I mean, they you know, I'm cool with one event.
Speaker 4: I'd like to see it. It doesn't even have to
Speaker 4: be a sanctioned tour event, maybe one of the silly
Speaker 4: season events, but sure.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things is, like you'd golf
Speaker 1: like stroke play that's beaten down your throat. Is like
Speaker 1: you're not playing the field, you're playing the golf course.
Speaker 1: But match play, you aren't playing the golf course. You're
Speaker 1: just playing the man. You know they're your opponent.
Speaker 2: So the idea of you know, hey, I hit this out.
Speaker 1: Abounds and now I can kind of like I'm not
Speaker 1: out of it because I could stymy this guy.
Speaker 2: I guess you'd still be kind of screwed.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine being like, I don't know, six inches
Speaker 4: out of someone's line on a putt and just kind
Speaker 4: of going up there and one handed tapping your ball
Speaker 4: right in the middle of his line, Like what a
Speaker 4: disrespectful move.
Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing, though, Okay, it.
Speaker 3: Adds some drama. Now the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 1: Then you could make the putt and they'd have to
Speaker 1: play away from the hole, and maybe instead of having
Speaker 1: like a foot they have like three feet, Like it
Speaker 1: would eliminate the ability to just like cozy the ball
Speaker 1: down into the hole.
Speaker 4: I just picture a golfer literally, you know, just going
Speaker 4: through his pre shot routine, tapping it like a foot
Speaker 4: and then taunting the other guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Stimeys are. We might have
Speaker 1: to get Stems into something we just tested.
Speaker 3: Right mm yeah, I think one silly season event.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite PGA Tour event that's not played in
Speaker 1: the States.
Speaker 3: I get is, do you count the British Open?
Speaker 2: Uh, let's go go No on that. I guess there's
Speaker 2: not that many. Yeah, I don't. I'm I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not really in on any of the Asian events.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't really watched much of them. I know
Speaker 4: Malaysia has has a lot of good golf courses, you know,
Speaker 4: and obviously Shin's in, But yeah, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: not not all in on them either.
Speaker 1: Remember last year the Hero when Tiger came back and
Speaker 1: looked really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like almost holding out, spinning the club
Speaker 4: and everything.
Speaker 2: He was back. That's like depressed.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that was not even a year ago.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 1: He looks so good that week, that damn flight, it
Speaker 1: had to be that flight. But I guess you know
Speaker 1: if if that was the case, it would never have
Speaker 1: held up.
Speaker 3: And right through the riggers of the season.
Speaker 2: Do you use the plumb bob? This was a question
Speaker 2: from Jeff W.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I've never understood it.
Speaker 3: I uh, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I guess I know how to do it, and I'm
Speaker 4: not really sure. I guess if I'm really either putting
Speaker 4: horribly or completely stumped.
Speaker 3: I've tried it, but I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: make a good stroke generally if I'm putting on a
Speaker 3: plumb bob reed, because I have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I's that's a great point. It's like, if you
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, you're not going to hit
Speaker 1: a good putt. That happens to me a lots why
Speaker 1: I hit a lot of bad putts.
Speaker 3: Here's one for you.
Speaker 4: You've been to La recently, favorite public course in LA
Speaker 4: and overrated, underrated off season for golf in La.
Speaker 2: So I lived in LA for a little bit, so
Speaker 2: I identify with this. I played a lot.
Speaker 1: Less golf than I play in Chicago. I completely agree
Speaker 1: with what sal Hutton said here. He said since living
Speaker 1: in La, I golf way less than in Canada. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, like you all of a
Speaker 1: sudden do more stuff. You're used to the weather being nice,
Speaker 1: so you kind of play it less.
Speaker 2: Favorite public course, Rustic Canyon, is really good.
Speaker 1: It's a course that Jeff Shackelford and Gil Hans designed together.
Speaker 2: It's like it's about an hour away. It's cheap.
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's like sixty bucks to walk
Speaker 1: on the weekends. It's walkable, which is rare out there
Speaker 1: in the city.
Speaker 2: I like, I have. I love Rancho Park. I used
Speaker 2: to live.
Speaker 1: Like like a four blocks from it, so I'd play
Speaker 1: there all the time. It's slow, it takes forever to play.
Speaker 1: It's in bad condition, but it's cheap and it has
Speaker 1: like a ton of potential. It's got like you have
Speaker 1: to hit really good golf shots there because.
Speaker 2: It's got, you know, good land. It used to host
Speaker 2: the LA Open. It's a really good If that that's
Speaker 2: to be my one course.
Speaker 1: I think we had another question about what course you'd
Speaker 1: want to Oh, that was in Chicago. That's a good
Speaker 1: question too. We'll get to that one next. But Rancho
Speaker 1: Park I really love too. But I would say Rustic
Speaker 1: Canyon is the best one in the Greater LA area.
Speaker 1: So I I'm not a big fan of oak Meadow.
Speaker 1: So just it's in Chicago that just went underwent a renovation. So, Kyle,
Speaker 1: of all the courses in Chicago public courses, which one
Speaker 1: would you like to see get a renovation done?
Speaker 2: And then we can also expand it out to the country.
Speaker 2: So two answers, Okay, Chicago.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go a little far from Chicago and say
Speaker 4: the General at Eagle Ridge in Galina. I think the
Speaker 4: topography is pretty cool out there, and that golf course
Speaker 4: is just bad, and I feel like it shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: So they have the land, they have the you know,
Speaker 4: rolling hills and all that, and water. I mean, they
Speaker 4: literally have everything you need to build a good golf course,
Speaker 4: but not the golf course. So that would be my
Speaker 4: Chicago pick, even though it's probably what two and a
Speaker 4: half hours outside of Chicago nationally, i'd have let me
Speaker 4: think about that.
Speaker 3: Why don't you go?
Speaker 2: So I would say, in Chicago, there's a course called Big.
Speaker 3: Run that Oh yeah, I love Big Run.
Speaker 2: I like love playing there. It's so fun.
Speaker 3: Fun, it's a really fun layouts.
Speaker 1: It's on like a crazy piece of land for Chicago,
Speaker 1: and the course is always in just horrendous condition, but
Speaker 1: it's so much fun to play. There's way too many trees,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you need to do that much
Speaker 1: there to make it really good.
Speaker 2: And so i'd say Big Run.
Speaker 1: Would be my place that I would I would go
Speaker 1: in and take a knife too, if I had, you know,
Speaker 1: five million bucks, and then or even ravslow. I just
Speaker 1: it's done a renovation, but I just like chopped down
Speaker 1: a ton of trees. I take down every tree and
Speaker 1: make it really firm and fast, And I think that
Speaker 1: place would be crazy fun. But then across the country
Speaker 1: it'd be between Sleepy Hollow in Cleveland and and and jeezus,
Speaker 1: I'm getting old. I can't believe I just Rancho Park
Speaker 1: in la I can't believe I almost just forgot that.
Speaker 2: So those would be my two.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I really have one for the country.
Speaker 3: I guess you know somewhere in Florida, I'm sure are somewhere.
Speaker 4: What about the course that you live on, oh right,
Speaker 4: right right, Hare and Bay, Yeah, that would actually be
Speaker 4: a good one. It's a the lands flat, but you
Speaker 4: know they used to have the Honda here, and it
Speaker 4: is a huge golf course. I mean it's like seventy
Speaker 4: three hundred or you know, I play as long, it
Speaker 4: might even be seventy four hundred. And it's just in
Speaker 4: the shittiest of shape, like I mean, real bad. And
Speaker 4: it's a nice community. They just they stopped caring about
Speaker 4: the golf course. I think they're planning on getting rid
Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, you could build I mean you
Speaker 4: already have the course. I mean you could literally build
Speaker 4: a tour event course out there. I just don't know
Speaker 4: if they're interested in doing that, but yeah, there you
Speaker 4: go right down the road.
Speaker 2: What what do you think do you think? Here's from
Speaker 2: Neil Smith.
Speaker 1: Overrated Underrated at golf pencils with erasers.
Speaker 4: Underrated because when I'm when I'm keeping track of Scotch,
Speaker 4: I sometimes make mathematical errors and then you add it
Speaker 4: up and you realize it doesn't equal zero, and then
Speaker 4: you have to go back and you know you're already
Speaker 4: keeping score and money.
Speaker 3: So it's you need an eraser in case you make
Speaker 3: an error.
Speaker 1: Which I'm I'm I'm pretty absent minded, and I like
Speaker 1: forget I like keep score for three holes and then
Speaker 1: I forget to write down scores for five holes, and
Speaker 1: I need an eraser because then a lot of times
Speaker 1: write my score in the wrong spot.
Speaker 2: I have flip flop scores with other players.
Speaker 1: You don't want me keeping score, Yeah Jesus not a
Speaker 1: good scorekeeper, But so I need I need a pencil
Speaker 1: with an eraser.
Speaker 2: Here's a.
Speaker 4: How about this one? What's the best caddie you've ever heard?
Speaker 4: Who's the best, what's the best caddy.
Speaker 3: You've ever had? Or who.
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I've got my cousin caddies for me a lot, like
Speaker 1: in the summer, if I'm like in the stadium, and
Speaker 1: he's a high school baseball coach and he used to
Speaker 1: be a he.
Speaker 2: Played like pro baseball for a lot while he's.
Speaker 1: A pitcher, and I think pitchers like get golf because
Speaker 1: it's it's not like every other sport is reactionary for
Speaker 1: the most part. In golf is the only place where
Speaker 1: you have to think about it and a picture has
Speaker 1: to think about it too, and so he kind of
Speaker 1: gets the mental process of it.
Speaker 2: And he knows, you know, he's he's a coach, so.
Speaker 1: He knows how to like talk to people, talk to
Speaker 1: you in moments I think that is the and he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't try and tell me what to do. Like
Speaker 1: I don't like when caddies read putts for me unless
Speaker 1: I ask, because like, how do you know how hard
Speaker 1: I'm going to hit the ball?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know? Like so much of reading a putt is
Speaker 1: dictated on how you're going to hit it in a situation.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's three there's three different reads for every putt, right.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 1: So I think like a caddies that, I think the
Speaker 1: best caddies are the ones that understand how to communicate
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I agree with what you said? This made me think
Speaker 4: of my worst caddy experience ever. So I was playing
Speaker 4: in the Western Junior. I was probably seventeen years old,
Speaker 4: maybe sixteen. It was a it was at Sea Island.
Speaker 4: I got randomly assigned a caddy and you know, I
Speaker 4: meet him on the first t the first round and
Speaker 4: he seems like an okay guy, you know, cool guy,
Speaker 4: probably twenty five, enjoying the uh, enjoying the walk for
Speaker 4: the first holes we get to, Uh, I forget the hole.
Speaker 4: It's the dog leg right with the marsh on the left.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm like hey, can you give me the
Speaker 4: five wood? And he's like, no, man, don't be a
Speaker 4: pussy hit driver. And I was like, I was already
Speaker 4: like two or three over and I was already flushed
Speaker 4: in the face, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, okay, give me the driver.
Speaker 4: So I hit driver, snap hook at in the marsh,
Speaker 4: make double on the hole, and I'm like, Okay, that
Speaker 4: sucked with an asshole. And a few holes later he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: so Chicago, huh. I'm like, yeah, Chicago. He's like, ah, man.
Speaker 4: One of my best times I've ever had I was
Speaker 4: on a bunch of acid at Wrigley Field.
Speaker 3: It was awesome. I was like, oh god, I just
Speaker 3: fucking listened to this guy. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: So be careful listening to Caddy's advice is what I
Speaker 4: would say, you make the final decision.
Speaker 1: I had a great Caddy in in the in the
Speaker 1: Radics Cup this year. He didn't say much. He was
Speaker 1: he was quiet and he just delivered. Like the best
Speaker 1: moment of maybe my gulf of the of the summer
Speaker 1: was you know, we were I think we were one
Speaker 1: down in our match and we were on this or
Speaker 1: two down. We were two down and we were on
Speaker 1: the fifteenth hole, and you know, I busted a drive
Speaker 1: and I knew I need it was a short part five.
Speaker 2: I knew I needed like a BIRDI er an eagle,
Speaker 2: probably an eagle, you know.
Speaker 1: So I turned to him and I go, all right,
Speaker 1: we need to make a big bird here. And he
Speaker 1: looks back at me and he was real quiet, kid,
Speaker 1: and he goes, not big bird, jumbo bird like albatross.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I only made a regular bird. But it
Speaker 2: was good enough to But it was I mean, like
Speaker 2: I just burst out laughing.
Speaker 3: It was like gave all the looseness you needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's you know, a good cat. He
Speaker 2: does it. It's like you got to pick your spots.
Speaker 1: You can't talk too much, but like when you talk,
Speaker 1: you know, make make sure it's worthwhile, don't you know,
Speaker 1: don't talk my ear off. But you have some good
Speaker 1: have some good clips, you know.
Speaker 3: All right, here's another question. Can you explain again why
Speaker 3: par is just a number and how that may or
Speaker 3: may not make a golf hole a bad long part
Speaker 3: of three versus a great short part four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I mean, the perfect example of this
Speaker 1: is like Riviera, where the first hole is five hundred
Speaker 1: yards downhill par five, and the second one is like
Speaker 1: four eighty par four coming back up the hill.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so like one of them is a
Speaker 2: par five and one is a part four.
Speaker 1: But like in reality, like a lot of the second
Speaker 1: hole a lot of times plays tougher than the first hole,
Speaker 1: so like it, you know, it goes part five, part four,
Speaker 1: but really in actuality it doesn't really like if you
Speaker 1: get make nine on the two holes, like you haven't
Speaker 1: lost anything on the field. Really, you know eight is
Speaker 1: a good score, but you think about it longer, like
Speaker 1: on certain days and conditions, like you know, a par
Speaker 1: five could be playing like a par four or like
Speaker 1: the perfect example is like Sandhills where I played this
Speaker 1: this week, Like there's this great short par five on
Speaker 1: the back nine. It's like the fourteenth hole, and earlier
Speaker 1: with the wind we played it was hard off the left,
Speaker 1: so it played short. I hit like nine iron and
Speaker 1: a wedge into it the couple times I played it.
Speaker 1: But then on the front nine there's a four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five yard par four the fourth hole that
Speaker 1: played dead into the wind to like a tiny green,
Speaker 1: and I was hitting three iron and four wood into
Speaker 1: it like that, you know, like par doesn't matter, Like
Speaker 1: if you make a four on both of them, like
Speaker 1: you've done well. But like if you make a five
Speaker 1: on the par four, it's not really a bogie.
Speaker 2: Everybody's gonna be bogie in that hole. Does that make
Speaker 2: sense to me? It does?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely I follow and agree, I think.
Speaker 1: And also like when we look at like the US Open,
Speaker 1: like this is I think where most people were clapping
Speaker 1: at me when I said par doesn't matter, and everybody's
Speaker 1: like I don't get it, Like the game's fundamentally changed
Speaker 1: with like equipment, So like why are we holding on?
Speaker 2: Like why don't you just make the par sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Right, Like don't put associate pars to holes and just
Speaker 1: say this is a par sixty eight. You know, like
Speaker 1: this course of bally Neil has no has no slopan
Speaker 1: rating and they unfortunate. I was kind of disappointed that
Speaker 1: they had par, but like why not just take par
Speaker 1: off golf courses?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it literally means nothing. It means you don't need
Speaker 4: it to play in a handicap match. I mean you
Speaker 4: just need a handicap for that or handicap poles, I
Speaker 4: should say, but I mean, it literally bears nothing on.
Speaker 1: The day because you could play great and shoot even par,
Speaker 1: and you could also play great and shoot four over par.
Speaker 1: But that day, clearly the par wasn't even par, right,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't seventy two, seventy six.
Speaker 2: Like that's like the thing that I think is the
Speaker 2: problem with it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's you're you're associating a number that doesn't
Speaker 1: tell the whole story, like that number doesn't apply every day.
Speaker 1: And it kind of goes to this greens keeper revenge question.
Speaker 1: We got what do you think about like hard course
Speaker 1: days and days where you you know, the greenskeeper gets
Speaker 1: to put pins in crazy places.
Speaker 3: I think they're fun. I always enjoy playing in them.
Speaker 3: It's amazing how hard they actually are. You think like, oh,
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be that bad, you know, shamble or scramble,
Speaker 3: whatever format you decide to play.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, it won't be that bad, and then
Speaker 4: you get out there and you're like, holy shit, this
Speaker 4: is impossibly hard. So I think it's cool to just
Speaker 4: just to see how hard a golf course could play
Speaker 4: if you could put the pin anywhere and you know,
Speaker 4: tease back all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I kind of like, I like a Big
Speaker 1: Cup days with Crazy Pinned.
Speaker 4: If you have you ever played the Big Cup at
Speaker 4: glen Woody, I haven't. Oh god, that is the most
Speaker 4: insane thing. I mean literally, we you can.
Speaker 3: It's a big cup which is the size of a sprinkler,
Speaker 3: and you know we had I've played with really good
Speaker 3: teams where we had four guys that were you know,
Speaker 3: plus three plus four and you.
Speaker 4: Make doubles on holes. You put it right in the water,
Speaker 4: right in the bunker, right in the water.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 2: Then scramble too, right, it's a four man scramble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, it is crazy. It's it's cool experience
Speaker 4: if you if you're around there. It's in October in Chicago,
Speaker 4: glen Woodie, go play it, just to be like, what
Speaker 4: the hell?
Speaker 3: How do we just make triple and a four man scramble?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the I think just alternative formats.
Speaker 1: I'm all, I know.
Speaker 2: I think golf should just you know, you should do
Speaker 2: different ship with it. I don't know. This is about
Speaker 2: it for me.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: You got any other questions you should do?
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh you're gonna watch any of this? This
Speaker 1: tournament this week Silverado.
Speaker 3: I actually probably will you know.
Speaker 4: I've been to Silverado a bunch of my my parents
Speaker 4: are big NAPA fans, as they're big wine fans, and
Speaker 4: we used to always go to Silverado.
Speaker 3: And I love the golf course.
Speaker 4: I was shocked a few years ago when it got
Speaker 4: a tour event because I always thought of it as
Speaker 4: a extremely fun golf course, but I didn't really realize
Speaker 4: it was going to be a tour event golf course.
Speaker 2: So it's cool.
Speaker 3: I like the golf course a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I get more excited about these fall
Speaker 1: events than I do about like the FedEx Cup playoffs.
Speaker 3: Which is yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: I like I like the I like the fresh blood.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like what we talked about earlier. I
Speaker 1: like seeing the new guys. I like seeing you know,
Speaker 1: it's a fresh slate, like a lot of guys that struggle,
Speaker 1: like you get you survive, you get the new season
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, if you're like new life. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the fall events and so
Speaker 1: but yeah, well we'll talk in a week or two.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all the questions, Yep, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: All Right, bye,