WEBVTT - Post-Presidents Cup Mailbag 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.760 I miss the green. 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.480 For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:04.960 in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.000 And when I find my ball in a frid Egg, 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.120 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Friday Frida Egg, Frida Egg, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:11.960 Bride Egg. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.160 Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.960 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:47.440 Friday Egg Podcast. Today we have another mailbag episode with 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.400 Kyle Nathan Draws and Face. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.239 Kyle welcomes up. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:51.560 Andy. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.640 Yeah, thanks, excited to do it again. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.319 Yeah, man, I talked to you yesterday. You said your 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.680 your grinding on your game for a member guest. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:03.720 It is a sad state of affairs. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.200 I wish I was grinding for the mid Am this weekend, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.080 but unfortunately I didn't try to qualify it and hurt 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.920 all year. It's just kind of been a wasted year. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.440 But trying to grind for member guest is. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.080 A new low in my golf career and I just 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.560 have to accept that what are you doing to get ready? 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.319 How do you prepare for remember guests? I think that 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.319 people want to know. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.399 Well, you have to go to the ATM and get 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.000 some cash, that's usually really good at member guests, and 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.679 that's about it. Unfortunately, since I haven't played very much 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.440 just somewmer, my handicap is still in the range where 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.480 I actually have to try to play decent or I'll 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.080 let my partner down. And it's actually down in Houston 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.120 with my buddy John Hunter and at Carlton Woods, which 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.600 is a very difficult course. So I could shoot in 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.560 the eighties there in a hurry if I'm not careful. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:57.040 So that's really what my preventative defense is about. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:00.120 You know, the people. 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.920 Are coming at golfers like you this week, you know, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.160 lots of questions of regarding amateur status and the many 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.600 tour players former many tour players playing midim events now, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.840 so let's get you know, let's get right into it. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.280 I got two of them right off the bat. Thoughts 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.280 on amateur status rules and former pros competing with lifetime 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.440 ams in state and USGA events from Andy Roderick. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:32.320 Well, I mean, obviously it's not ideal. I you know, myself, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.679 I'm a reinstated AM and I think I probably have, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.000 you know, ten thousand dollars in career earning, so I 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.799 don't think maybe if that you know that might it's 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.799 not really geared toward me, and I get where a 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.640 lot of guys come from. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.720 You get some bigger names. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.000 I know Es Daily. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.679 Played well in the MIDAM a couple of years ago. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.000 And from what I understand, it's like thirty five forty 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.160 percent of the field, and the Midam is often reinstated. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.200 Former professionals. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.440 So the question would be how to combat that, And 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.080 you know, it's hard to do money. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:10.720 That's it's money is. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.840 The only logical thing to me that makes sense. But 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.400 it's hard to do that because in the but you know, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:20.160 pre Tiger, the persons were fairly low. So you know, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.440 if a guy's playing the Nike Tour, say and made 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.360 you know, he could have been playing for three years 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.840 and made forty grand, which is a lot different than 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.440 a guy playing six tour events and making eighty. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:31.640 You know. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.239 So it's just it's hard to put money into the 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.960 equation because the persons have gone up so dramatically. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.200 What if they did, like a cut of made cuts 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.800 on nationwide PGA tour. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.520 See that that would be something that's a good idea. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.840 I would be all for that because I think that 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.240 you know a guy that at twenty two, goes and 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.160 plays the Mini Tours for a couple of years, and 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.440 you know, then he's working for eleven years. I mean 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.120 that's that's an amateur really, and I think they should 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.880 be able to get their status back. But I agree, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.720 if someone makes eighteen cuts on the Nationwide Tour, should 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.680 they be allowed to get their amateur status back? 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.160 I mean maybe, I think they know. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.120 I think they should, but there should be some restriction 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.760 in some events. Whether it's the US Mid Am or not, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.560 I don't know, but there should be some restriction because 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.440 otherwise it just gets out of hand. Because I mean, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.360 could Tiger get his amateur status back if he wanted? 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.400 I mean technically, yeah, right. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.719 I think So that's the problem is, like you look 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.440 at the reps if you I mean, like Jess Daly's 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.640 a great example. I mean he played professional golf on 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.280 the PGA Tour, the then Nationwide Tour. I mean it 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.320 was what ten years, twelve years? Yeah, he played for 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.839 a long time, like me sitting in a desk chair 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.239 for ten years versus him playing on Web and PGA 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.920 Tour events for ten years. Like the reps, the PRAC 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.720 does the you know, I sound like Tiger with reps, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.599 but like that that stuff, like it's not we aren't 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.680 the same, Like Mike. Mike Muir is another good example, right, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.520 I mean, he's he made it over. I think he 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.200 made over a million dollars on the PGA Tour in 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.479 his career and he put he plays midam stuff. I 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.760 mean it just to me, there's got to be some 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.880 sort of dividing line. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:25.560 You know. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.279 It's one thing for a twenty two year old that 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.359 goes and tries and you know, might play a couple 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.400 of seasons on the Canadian Tour and make you know, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.440 twenty thousand dollars in their career and come back like that, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:39.200 that's one thing. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.640 But for guys that you know have made. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.919 You know a great deal of money on the on 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 the PGA Tour to the point where like you know, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.600 you're you're getting your amateur stats back. But your job 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.120 is hardly going to be that of a kid that 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.360 you know works for you know. I think one of 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.560 the toughest things with Midham golf is like early in 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.200 your Midham careers, learning. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.599 Like you're a low level employee, you know, Right, That's. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.520 The one thing a lot of people take for granted. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.159 I feel like there's a lot of guys. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.320 You know, they they get their status back, and we've 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.240 seen it in Illinois with some of the players, and 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.680 they automatically think they're gonna win every mid am or 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.160 am tournament they play, and it's not the case because 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.400 it's hard to balance golf and work. It's I mean, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.840 it's really hard, especially when you're starting a career like you. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.880 Said, yeah, but when you've made a million dollars on 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.880 the on the PGA tour, like. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.600 You're not starting your career right right. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.760 You're very You're probably doing quite well, and you you know, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.080 you've you've met people in your career that can obviously 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.240 put you in a position where you're not, you know, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.320 grinding for for paychecks. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:49.520 But I like the cuts made. That seems, you know, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.960 of all the options, that seems the best one. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:53.120 Yeah. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.000 It's uh, you know, we gotta get we gotta get 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.640 you out of out of mid am events. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.440 That's that's the goal. Had all the all the former 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.680 pros out, you know, I'd have it. I'd have a 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:04.560 fighting chance. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:06.520 Here's a mid am question. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.200 This is from Mike Wallace. He says, Okay, you're fred Ridley. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.840 You decide to give Jeff Knox an invite to the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.720 next five Masters. He obviously plays as an am. He 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.240 plays from the same tease as the pros. How many 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.600 cuts does he make? How many times does he win 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.160 low am? How many top tens does he contend in? 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.040 All five? Does he win one? 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.920 So I think, uh, I think Jeff Knox is like 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:39.640 the most overblown story in golf. It's like just overhyped. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.360 But he's really good. He's a really good midam. But 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.800 is he as good as like say Stuart Hagastad or 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.800 Scott Harvey, Like, No, he happens to play Augusta's his 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.560 home course, so that's a big advantage. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:57.280 I honestly think he would make one cut out of 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:58.640 five I have. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.000 That's exactly what I think. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.160 To one cut, maybe two, But I mean at the 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:10.600 absolute maximum, I'd say makes two cuts and maybe wins 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.600 low am one time. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.720 Yeah, zero top tens doesn't contend? 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.160 Yeah, yeah, I think he shoots a lot of like 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:20.200 seventy six. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.720 Is I'm in agreement. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:24.400 It's much easier to play when you can just pick 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.080 your ball up, you know, once you're out of the hole. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.640 Very his you know, beating. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.080 He also always plays with like the guy that just 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.280 shot like eighty on Saturday. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.040 Right is trying to get the hell out of there. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.640 So like that's the other thing. It's like, oh he 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.839 beat this guy, but like that guy didn't really care, Like. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.200 They don't Birdy two and three. It's get me out 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:47.480 of here. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:54.920 I'm in last place right now. So all right, let's see. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.240 We got a lot of questions. So do you have 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.360 any good putting games that you like to play? And 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.160 this is from Scott du Dick. He's got this game wide, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.240 but I'm not going to explain everything involved in it. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.040 We'll explain it. If you don't have any good putting games. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.360 What I do have is the card game. Have you 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:12.200 played the card game? 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.640 I have not played the card game. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.960 It's kind of fun. So, you know, if you have 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.080 a foursome. Sometimes it works better if you have a 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.480 couple of foursomes. But you know, say everybody puts twenty 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:26.240 dollars into the pot, and then and then after the round, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.440 you start with five cards, you know, out of a deck, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.400 and every time you get a one putt throughout the day, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.960 you get an extra card. Every time you three putt, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.319 you put you know, say five dollars in the pot 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.439 and you subtract a card. So it's it's a little 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.560 finicky because you know if you're on the fringe and 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.520 you you know, that's a one putt if you just 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.360 get it up and down whatever, But you know, you 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.560 wind up some guy. You know, it's not it's not 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.440 skill based really, but you know, some guys will have 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.280 nine cards and they'll have you know, four of a kind. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.720 Some guys will have four cards and they have no 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.079 chance to win. It's just kind of a nic, a 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.559 little side thing to do. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.760 You could end up with like a ton of card huh. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.760 Oh, yeah, totally, and someone else is pumping the pot 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:09.319 for you too. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.120 So what do you think about fringe and putting. I 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.760 feel like it should count as putts. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:15.800 It should. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.600 I honestly usually do count it as putts. When I 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.640 think about my round and I say, you know, if 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.320 I put three putts from the fringe or get down 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.560 in three from the fringe, I always I just to myself, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:26.760 I'm thinking that's a three putt. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.200 Yeah, Like if it's up against the collar and you 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.720 use putter, like I feel like that's a pass. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.679 It's more of a chip then. But if you're like, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.080 if you're like a foot on the fringe, like that's 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:38.560 a pot. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:40.520 I use my discretion. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.400 I mean sometimes I'll get the chili dips go on 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.920 and I'll put from nine yards off the green. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.200 I don't count that as a putt. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.440 But what uh do you do? 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.200 You always pull the pin when you when you've got 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.280 the h when you're on the fringe. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.320 Uh, yeah, I usually do, I mean almost always. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.920 I know they say, you know, there's no real research. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.000 I guess Pell said, right, but if you're downhill, if anything, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.839 if you're down, he'll leave it in. Up he'll take 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.320 it out. I almost always just take it out. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.720 My philosophy is like I make all my putts with 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.880 a pin out, So why would I keep the pin 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.520 in and like visually and psychologically have. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:25.400 A pin in there? Right? Yeah? All right? 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.439 With the youth movement on the PGA tour, This from 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.760 Andrew Vitt, friend of the Witch. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:33.679 Should the President's. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.000 Cup team reserve two spots for thirty five plus year 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.679 olds mid am or mid pros. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.160 The old mid pro. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.240 We had some other questions about the President's Cup, and 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.640 I know we talked, we didn't. We didn't spend too 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.160 much time watching it. I really, in my whole life, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.960 I'm not sure I've spent much time watching it. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.320 It just doesn't really appeal to me. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:02.160 It hasn't been competitive, you know, for what, you know, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.600 whatever that reason may be, whether the internationals, you know, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.480 they have their little two somes and three somes of 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.440 you know, countrymen, but other than that, they have no 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:13.000 greater you know, patriotism like we do, pull themselves together, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.720 and obviously for something like that, motivation is important. But 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.199 you know, I think they could make it a lot 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.880 more fun by making it co ed if you had 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.840 you know, six and six or even eight, eight tour 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.600 guys and four women. You know, I don't watch much 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.240 women's golf, but I would be interested in watching that 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.840 way more than the current state. And plus it would 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.679 be a lot more competitive because I think the international 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.400 women would have the advantage over the American women. And 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.599 there's some contrived co ed events, you know, like the 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.080 Templeton shootout and all that. But to me, that would 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.160 be I would watch that in a heartbeat, and I 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.360 currently don't watch it, so to me it would be appealing. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.199 Yeah, I think they need I think that. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.400 Originally, the idea of like making Ryder Cup points two 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:05.840 was a great one, but the execution and like the 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.800 results thus far have been pretty lackluster. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.040 So shake up something right, right, all right? 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.240 I want to get to our first overrated underrated. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.000 Yeah yeah we got you got tons of them. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.200 Joe Mayberry overrated underrated Opening and closing on opening or 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.679 closing around on a part three, So. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:28.840 I'm gonna say opening overright. I hate it. Yeah, it 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:30.840 hitting like especially if. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.439 It's a long iron, like so brutal. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.080 I had a Usam qualifier like last year, and I 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.840 was playing really good golf, but I I went into 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.559 it and I had to hit like a three iron 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.200 to like a small green on the tenth hole, and 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.079 that was it was just the worst way to start 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.880 my round. I hit a bad shot and just got 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:50.679 off flustered. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:51.880 I was like behind a tree. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.000 So I'm out on opening par threes and I just 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.040 like broke my cardinal rule of like using a personal. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.040 Experience in a tournament. But closing part three is I 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.320 actually kind of like them. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.599 I think they're cool, especially if if it's got a 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:12.040 if it's got a tough green like Glen Floor Country club. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.720 That that green is jacked. That's a good hole. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.480 I mean, like it's hard to make a it. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.680 I think it's a good test of golf because you know, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.040 with today's day and age, like it's very rare for 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.160 people to hit mid. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.240 And long irons in the game. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.000 And uh, I don't mind the closing part three because 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.920 it's like it's like the final test, like, hey, you 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.280 got to hit you gotta hit a really good golf 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.080 shot here with a mid iron, and then you got 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.920 to be in the right spot to make a putt, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.920 like if you make a birdie, you really earn earn 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:42.280 it on. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.840 You know. Part three's generally. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.120 I don't I don't really prefer either. Opening is difficult, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:50.480 you know. I feel like whenever you're playing in a 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.640 shotgun event and you see your first hole as a 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.560 four iron, you're like, oh God, what a brutal break. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.240 And closing, I don't know, I think, you know, East 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:05.360 Lake Greenbrier, there's some some out there on tour. I 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:10.480 think Congressional did the right thing by switching the finish. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.200 You know, eighteen is kind of a whatever Part three, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.280 and you know, now it's an awesome Part four, So 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.200 I'm out on both. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.880 John Hunter, your partner, You've got a question for you. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.680 What point should I go pro? 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.960 When my handicap finally gets to the zero or after 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.440 I win my club championship. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.920 I think you wait till after the club championship. You know, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.560 once you can consistently beat two and three handicaps under pressure, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.360 I think the game is sharp enough to turn pro. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.120 So as soon, maybe the Monday after the club championship, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.920 you go out that night and have a good time 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.880 and start your next page as a professional. The next Monday, I. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.000 Have a press conference. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.680 Yeah, for sure, at least a periscope is. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.040 A Friday will start to televised though. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.720 All right, Cody friend of the pod, Cody Sunberg wants 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.040 to know what is the average tour players handicap? 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.680 Do you think plus six plus seven? 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.360 I think about when I play with like Vince India 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.280 who's on the web, or like T. K. Kelly or 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.200 Zach Blair, like the times I've played with him, and 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:27.000 I need like five shots to make it competitive and 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.160 a lot of times I still lose. Like so I 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.520 would say, like I play around like plus one plus 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.360 two when I'm playing good golf, and. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.320 I would say at least plus seven. What do you think, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:40.720 like A. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:41.960 Yeah, I like that. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.840 I mean I think that's pretty pretty spot on six 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.880 to eight plus six to eight. Do you remember I'm 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.360 sure you know someone you guys can google this, but 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.440 there was someone wrote an article excuse me, on Tiger 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.680 Woods's two thousand and one season if you just you 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.000 know the rounds he played. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.960 Basically he equated like a plus eleven I think it 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.919 was or something that year. It was just insane golf. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.040 That's That's the other tough thing is like, you know, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:15.320 how do you measure like because we have like the 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.240 slope and rating stuff is so crazy because like you can't. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.119 It doesn't measure wind, It doesn't measure conditions like like 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.320 I think about it like tournaments all the time, Like 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.399 what's a PGA Tour set up? 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.760 Or like a US Open shooting sixty three in the 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:36.919 US Open? Right? I mean, is that is that? Like 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.879 what's the slope and rating of that event? 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:39.560 You know? 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.639 Is that like a plus twenty differential? Right? 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.280 I I agree. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.160 I The weather has I mean there's some I hate. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.080 I don't really like the handicap system. I don't know 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.960 if anyone has a good logical fix for it. But 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.199 you know, there's so many things. You play in a 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.600 thirty five mile hour wind on a course that's rated 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.160 seventy two and you shoot seventy four. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.800 I mean that's not that bad of a round, but. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:02.280 Not good. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.679 You know, the course one of the courses I played 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.000 this weekend, bally Neil, I loved it, doesn't even have 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.800 slope and rating. Can euners score from there in the handicap? 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.560 Really? Yeah, I don't know that I've ever heard of that. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.600 Well, they don't have T boxes, they don't have T markers. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.040 They have T boxes, no T markers. You just pick 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.280 where you want to play every hole. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.760 That sounds like a fantasy land for you, Oh, spectacular 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:27.960 with for days. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.920 Well, it's like when we played this winner, like it 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.080 was windy and with a couple holes, like you know, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.720 a couple holes we wanted to play par five's up, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.080 so they were so they're gettable, Like play them up 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.440 doesn't matter, right, Like why why do we got to 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.040 be constricted by by entering a score? 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.199 I like that approach. My dad to this day like 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:51.800 has never kept scores. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.760 Played probably I don't know, six maybe a thousand rounds 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.040 and he just doesn't keep scores like I would have. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.600 You know, I would want to torture myself. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.359 That's amazing. I care less and less about a score. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.000 It's been so much more enjoyable. I think score is overrated. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:09.720 Score overrated. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.040 I'm with you here, here's one Benjamin McIntyre lunch at 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.960 the Turn overrated, underrated. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.240 I'm uh, I'm split on this. It depends on your 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:26.560 on your time. Sometimes I'm cool with literally stopping and 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.720 letting like four groups go through and having like a 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.879 nice luxurious lunch and a couple of beers and you know, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.959 having a good time, maybe watching some TV and literally 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.200 like an hour long lunch, And I'm I love that sometimes. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.360 But sometimes you just want to get out of there. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.360 And so I think it's solely dependent on the time 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:44.719 you have. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:46.080 What do you think? 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.960