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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmulk, coming to you from the Giants

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Speaker 1: Podcast Studio, presented by Hackensack and Meridian Health. Keep getting Better.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest friend of the program. You can see all

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Speaker 1: those work on NFL dot com. Chad Writer, Chad, what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 2: Man? Is good to talk to you again, buddy, Yeah, great.

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Speaker 3: Great to be on with you again. And I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: It's it's my time year man.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is draft time, and I invite everybody go to

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com Slash. I believe slash Tracker works. NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com Slash Draft Tracker also works, and it'll bring

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Speaker 1: you to the Draft Tracker, which is not just a

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Speaker 1: draft tracker, it's also a prospect tractor tracker, which has

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Speaker 1: all of lands Zer lines and we had Lance on

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Speaker 1: last week. All his grades on there, ranked by You

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Speaker 1: can go by position overall, and when you click on

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Speaker 1: each of those profiles, a lot of the work Chad

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Speaker 1: does for background are in a lot of those profiles, right, yep, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So make sure you guys, that's something that I accumul

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Speaker 3: the whole year starting in May. And because if you

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Speaker 3: wait till after the season to accumulate five years or

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Speaker 3: six years or seven years for some of these guys

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Speaker 3: worth of data year in the world to hurt. So

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Speaker 3: it's a twelve twelve month process.

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Speaker 1: Is that from building experience with like SID departments around

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Speaker 1: the country, How do you kind of build that database

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Speaker 1: of information in terms of background.

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Speaker 3: Well, most of it is pretty wildly available. It's just

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Speaker 3: you got to know where to look and you know,

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Speaker 3: making sure that I mean a lot of the research

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Speaker 3: is for the on air people when they when they

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Speaker 3: come to this because a lot of guys that cover

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Speaker 3: the draft come from the NFL season and not necessarily

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Speaker 3: real familiar with the college players. So I just scour

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Speaker 3: whatever I can find and talk to whoever I can

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Speaker 3: find to try to find important information on each guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, despite popular opinion, it is actually very difficult to

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Speaker 1: cover two leagues of football at the same time. There

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Speaker 1: are only so many hours of the day A cat

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Speaker 1: get really tough. Now, Chad, how many more mocks are

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Speaker 1: you going to have before the draft starts?

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Speaker 2: Two more?

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Speaker 3: You think I have two more? I have a five

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Speaker 3: round mock coming out next Friday, which I'm going to

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Speaker 3: look for the date here, it'd be April third, and

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Speaker 3: then I would have the seven round mock draft coming

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Speaker 3: out the friday before the draft, so I believe that's

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Speaker 3: the seventeenth. So those would be the two that are remaining.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you have a fourth, a four round mock

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Speaker 1: out right now, we're going to talk about that today.

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Speaker 1: How does this progress for you going from mock to

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Speaker 1: mock to mock. How do you try to change him up?

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Speaker 1: How do you keep him unique? How do you keep

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Speaker 1: him different? And does your process change at all in

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Speaker 1: terms of how you think about it as you get

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I try to keep my process the same.

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Speaker 3: It's just new data uppears, whether it's what I hear,

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Speaker 3: If necessary? And most of the time the answer is no.

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Speaker 3: But you have to think about because there are you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think of prospects they're a first

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Speaker 3: But overall my process, I try to keep it consistent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, drop, I think you had four trades, and

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Speaker 1: in this four round mock, you know, all sorts of

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Speaker 1: That's why it's fun. Right, So as important to as

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Speaker 1: a reason, right, that's right, predict So let's start with

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Speaker 1: your four round machiar, Chad, and you have the Giants

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Speaker 1: picking the number five, just so my fans know who's

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Speaker 1: And I think Giant fans would be doing cartwheels down

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Speaker 1: Is they be sitting there, they'd be choosing between all

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Speaker 1: Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs, Jeremiah Love, Monsur Delaine, Carnel Tait,

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Speaker 1: all those guys are still sitting there staring the Giants

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Speaker 1: for the Giants at five? And who'd you wind up with.

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Speaker 3: Well, in the end, I think you want the highest

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Speaker 3: just went through Saquon Barkley, how are you gonna do that? Well,

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Speaker 3: I think they saw Saquon Barkley play pretty well before

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Speaker 3: So I think you I think you know you have

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Speaker 2: Five other than Love.

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Speaker 1: Who are the other guys that you really had in

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you mentioned them on Sir Delaine. If

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Speaker 3: got to look at him. Caleb Downs is going to

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Speaker 3: know this year he played on such a strong defense

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Speaker 3: he's certainly capable of doing so when when stand up,

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Speaker 3: you know when you need them to. So I think

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Speaker 3: those two guys. Sunny styles is interesting. Certainly he's in

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Speaker 3: Rvel Reese is a little different because I think they're

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Speaker 3: Delaane and Downs would be the other two because look,

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Speaker 1: How highly do you consider Tate and the rest of

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Speaker 1: would you start considering wide receiver in this first round?

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Speaker 3: I think Tate when you look at his athletic profile,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, And the way I see him

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Speaker 1: He's a very polished player. But that's I think generally

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Speaker 1: This is not a normal draft where he would probably

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Speaker 3: I think that's I think, you know, my first mock

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Speaker 3: That's that's all I know in that. But I don't

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Speaker 3: You just don't see that in the top ten very often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, all right, and we will

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Speaker 1: touch on wide receivers a little bit later in the draft.

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Speaker 2: In a bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the second round here, and this is

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Speaker 1: a name that we've kind of banded abat a little

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Speaker 1: bit here, Chad. On our shows, you have the Giants

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Speaker 1: selecting Peter Woods, who before the year was considered a

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Speaker 1: consensus top ten selection. He did not have a good season.

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Speaker 1: You watch it, to watch it, there's just not a

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Speaker 1: lot of plays on tape. But he falls to the

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Speaker 1: Giants here in round two. What was your thought process

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Speaker 1: Avions Row was there, Chris Johnson was there, and Manuel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think while Keenan McDonald might in the end have

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Speaker 3: Well, And I think there'd be some run you know,

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Speaker 1: What other spots do you like, position wise where you

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Speaker 3: And I think those are the really really the hot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, I think that's an area too, Chad,

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Speaker 1: And Giant fan's been like, oh, can you know, can

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Speaker 3: And even if you don't get a third round, you

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Speaker 3: have their heart, you know, And teams have these conversations.

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Speaker 3: have these conversations well in advance of the draft, and

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Speaker 3: you know, move down for this? So they'll have a

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Speaker 3: lot of that stuff in place before the pick comes up. Well,

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Speaker 2: Question about it. I'm with you. Huddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 2: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 1: Great, how do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Bud Citizens?

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Speaker 1: Does it makes sense of your money with citizens Official

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Speaker 1: Then, no picking the third rent of the Giants, obviously,

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Speaker 1: But in the fourth round a guy that I'm a

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Speaker 1: in the fourth round, I would be the one doing

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Speaker 1: cartwheels down the hall. Here at the Quest Diagnostics Training

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Speaker 1: Center is Chris Brazel, the wide receiver out of Tennessee. Now,

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Speaker 1: are probably tired of hearing it. They have Jalen Hyatt

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that he's a complete receiver. And

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Speaker 3: I think the Tennessee thing is in play here too

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Speaker 3: He's kind of and he kind of gives me that

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Speaker 3: I don't think he'll go that long. But in terms

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Speaker 3: he's a consistent route runner. I don't know that he's

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Speaker 3: great off the line of scrimmage against press. You know,

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Speaker 3: just a guy that I you know, maybe he sneaks

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Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, So let's talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: other wide receivers, because, look, the Giants have a lot

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Speaker 1: of needs here, even if it's not short term leads.

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Speaker 1: They got a bunch of one year contracted wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: They have a one year contract at the other starting

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Speaker 1: Michael Schmid's heading into a free agency on the inside

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Speaker 1: a lot of needs here, Chad. They can't fill them

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Speaker 1: all with their first and second round picks. It's just

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Speaker 1: with the general consensus that this is a very deep

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think Brazlo. Jacoby Lane out of

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for speed, you got Tyler Bell from Connecticut,

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Speaker 3: Brendan Thompson from Mississippi State. There's gonna be some guys

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Speaker 3: some real value. Ted Hurst from Georgia State's a guy

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Speaker 3: And so I think you can there's some There's gonna

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to go through some of those names.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one by one here, Chad, give you

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Speaker 1: a little thumbnail on these guys, what typer receiver they are,

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Speaker 1: three guys are. Why don't we start with Jakobe Lane

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, big body again, not maybe the fastest

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Speaker 3: three four, three, three or four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see him the exact same way you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Skyler Bell at a Yukon had a really nice workout

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think people will will slot him as

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Speaker 3: I think if you can get him in round four,

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Speaker 1: Right you mentioned ted Hurst. I saw him up close

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Speaker 1: people probably aren't paying attention to Georgia State football, but

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Speaker 2: But what about ted Hurst?

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Speaker 1: Why why might he be a guy that that that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's got a really I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to be strong hands. I really

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to a much more miniature guy. Dean

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he's sub five nine, and it's tough

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Speaker 3: to really pick a guy really high at that at

438
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Speaker 3: that size, but you stick him in the slot and

439
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna be He's a two wave receiver, so you

440
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: you really got to be afraid of which way when

441
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Speaker 3: you're in the slot against him. You've really got to

442
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Speaker 3: be strong in your in your technique because he can

443
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 3: move one way or the other really fast and once

444
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Speaker 3: you and the other thing is he's really he's really

445
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Speaker 3: strong on deep routs, and again that's not something you

446
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 3: see from a five to eight plus receiver, So teams

447
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: really needing that slot guy. San Francisco, Minnesota, teams like

448
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: that could really use a guy like that, And I

449
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a fantastic playmaker.

450
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Speaker 2: Awesome, all right.

451
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Speaker 1: And then two other guys that I'm not sure they're

452
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: gonna get there either, similar to Burks. Elijah Surat is

453
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: some and you had going in the third round. Again,

454
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 1: I think teams people probably more familiar with him based

455
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: on the fact he went to Indiana and they won

456
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: the national championship. But to me, he is like your typical,

457
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: really solid, possession, big receiver and you can use him

458
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: in a bunch. I could even see him being almost

459
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: a possession receiver in the slot as a bigger guy.

460
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Speaker 3: Yes exactly. I think he would really fit in the

461
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: slot for some teams that used that position to move

462
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: the chains a lot, and I think he would fit

463
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Speaker 3: in really well in that spot. But he makes plays

464
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: on the sideline very well too. He's got good shoulder

465
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Speaker 3: and strength, so I think he could do a little

466
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Speaker 3: bit of everything. I think he's one of these receivers

467
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: that maybe doesn't wow in any particular category but just

468
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Speaker 3: turns out to be a really strong presence as a

469
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Speaker 3: two or three at the next level.

470
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Speaker 1: And then Bryce Lance, brother of Trey Lance, blew up

471
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Speaker 1: the combine. And it's rare you see a wide receiver

472
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Speaker 1: out of North Dakota State. Usually we're talking about off

473
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman from that program, Chad. But man, he blew

474
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Speaker 1: up the combine with his with his athleticism.

475
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it helps when your brother goes there

476
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 3: and looks like a stud quarterback and then they say, hey,

477
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: once you come once, come two? Right, But yes, I

478
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: think again he is a downfield threat. He can also

479
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: make moves after the catch. He's gonna be a very

480
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: interesting guy because while he ran fast at the combine,

481
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Speaker 3: he wasn't overly impressive in terms of his route running

482
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: and things like that. So we's still a little raw.

483
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Speaker 3: So maybe he ends up in day three. I think

484
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Speaker 3: he'll probably still be a date late to two guy, though,

485
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Speaker 3: because I think the tools are there, and the work

486
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 3: ethic is there and stuff, and I think teams will

487
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Speaker 3: love what they get with him. So I think he'll

488
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Speaker 3: end up in day two. But the end of day two,

489
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Speaker 3: when you get a guy who runs like that, who's

490
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Speaker 3: got potential, I think they'll probably he'll probably go late

491
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Speaker 3: later in day two.

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Speaker 1: com slash Giants. All right, staying in the same neighborhood, Chad,

498
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Speaker 1: I could see maybe not one center go in the

499
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: first two rounds of this draft. Then I could see

500
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Speaker 1: a half dozen centers go in rounds three and four

501
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: and five.

502
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: It's weird.

503
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: So depending on how you look at it, it's not

504
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: a great class. But then hold on a second. Maybe

505
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: I can find a bunch of guys that can start

506
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: for me down the road a little bit later.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I really like Logan

508
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: Jones from Iowa. I think he's worth the second round pick.

509
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: But in the end, he that may not happen. He

510
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: may end up going in around three, but he's just

511
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Speaker 3: gonna start for a decade. I mean, I just you know,

512
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 3: that's the thing about that position, sort of like running

513
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 3: back in terms of like, well, we don't have to

514
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: get him early, but we can find a lot of

515
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Speaker 3: guys that can contribute right away, just as you mentioned,

516
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Speaker 3: so I think between him and Counter Loeu out of Auburn,

517
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: really solid player, maybe not the most athletic, but just

518
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: a really sturdy past for two or. I really like

519
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: Sam Hecked from from Kansas State. He could be a

520
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: third round guy. Real easily, real athletic guy, but but

521
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: strong still is pretty good anchor, so I like him.

522
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: Brian Parker making the shift over from tackle to right

523
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: from right tackle into center, probably just because of his

524
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: lack of length, but smart guy, but he's probably gonna

525
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: work himself into the fourth round. You think he's going

526
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Speaker 3: to be a starter. Jake Slaughter out of Florida another

527
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: guy's taller guy, strong guy. Again, maybe not the quickest,

528
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: most sudden guy, but again in most situations you can

529
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Speaker 3: work around that if you have good guards on either

530
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: side of you. So there's there's a bunch of guys.

531
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Speaker 3: Jagger Burton from Kentucky's really worked out well after the season.

532
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Speaker 3: I did not expect him to work out as well

533
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Speaker 3: as he has. Show more athleticism then then maybe you

534
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: thought looking at film. So he's another guy that's going

535
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Speaker 3: to be in that fifth round conversation as a as

536
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Speaker 3: a you know, maybe a year one starter.

537
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Speaker 1: You listed all the guys ahead on my list and

538
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Speaker 1: one a guy out throwing there too. And I guess

539
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Speaker 1: you don't know for sure if he's going to be

540
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Speaker 1: a center, but tray Zoon, who going from tackle, I

541
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Speaker 1: could see him being one of the first guys taking

542
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Speaker 1: to someone with some versatility. I thought he looked pretty

543
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Speaker 1: good at tackle, just in his first day at the

544
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Speaker 1: Senior but before he got hurt, and I could see

545
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Speaker 1: him being highly looked at in terms of being a

546
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Speaker 1: center too.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, and yeah I have him as a guard,

548
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: but also you know, obviously he can move into center

549
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: as well, kind of an Ethan Pochik's kind of accomp

550
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: which is interesting. You usually don't get like a six

551
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 3: to sixth center, but it's possible with him because he

552
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: can play pretty low. He's not you know, he's not

553
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: awkward in terms of being able to get out of

554
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: his stance and things like that. So he couldn't make

555
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: that transition as well to guard or center. But he's

556
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: just been a really solid player for an M and

557
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: I think he's got the athleticism to stay outside if

558
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 3: you need him, he could play out there like elgind Jenkins.

559
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean, a guy that could play probably all five

560
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: physicians if you really needed him too.

561
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Speaker 1: I have not finished my my center stuff yet here, Chad,

562
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Speaker 1: So I'm starting to lead a little bit more towards

563
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I want to try to get a

564
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: bit of a bigger center. You know, we went through

565
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a period here. We got a bunch

566
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: of guys that are to ninety two ninety five, and

567
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's watching Dexter Lawrence just treat those guys like

568
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: their small children and tossing them around like rag dolls,

569
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: where I'm like, all right, you know, then I watched

570
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: the Giants with the Cowboys. I'm like, all right, Cooper

571
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: bebe like he's he's a bigger dude, right, So any

572
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: of these centers bigger dudes or are we looking more

573
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: at that, like, you know, two ninety to three hundred quicker, smaller,

574
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: more athletic types in this class.

575
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's a lot of

576
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: huge dudes, but it's it's gonna be interesting because a

577
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: guy like Vega Yoani from Penn State could Baltimore draft

578
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: him to be their future center. I mean that's possible.

579
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: And he played all five positions at Penn State too.

580
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: A little bit here and you know there, But you

581
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: wonder if some of these other guards maybe moved inside.

582
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: It would be interesting to see if that happens, to

583
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: try to, you know, get that get a little bit

584
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: more size inside. Billy Schroth from Notre Dame could be

585
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: another guy too, maybe not the biggest, greatest athlete, so

586
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: if you want to move him into center as well.

587
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: In terms of big size, Burton from Kentucky's probably the

588
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: only one that's in the three twenties. And and I

589
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: think you see enough guys make it at three hundred pounds.

590
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: But you're right, I mean, you do have to account

591
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: for that in your blocking scheme. If you've got a dexter,

592
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: if you're playing against Dester Lawrence, you do not want

593
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: your center taking him on one on one a whole lot.

594
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: You really got to help on him. So it really depends.

595
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing a lot of other huge centers in

596
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: this in this class that that uh you know, that

597
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: are really as you know, sturdy, as as BB and

598
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: some of the others. But you never know. It's funny

599
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: it's not easy for linemen to change positions. It's it's

600
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: not from left or right or whatever. But guys do it,

601
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: and when they can do it, it's it's really it

602
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: really turns out to be important for the for the

603
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: health of their offensive line.

604
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it helps you get the best five on

605
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: the field, right, If you guys that coul play multiple positions,

606
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: you can get the best five on the field and

607
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: it helps you. Let me go, you actually, you brought

608
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: me up to an interesting conversation. When people look at

609
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: Maui Nooah and Fano at the top of the draft,

610
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm always one to say let them fail at tackle first.

611
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, Fano, you know his good God bless the man.

612
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: He managed to have his arms grow three quarters of

613
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Speaker 1: an inch and in a month between the combin and

614
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Speaker 1: his Pro day.

615
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Well done.

616
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And then you know Mauio is right around

617
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: thirty three inches on his arms too. Do you see

618
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: both those guys as tackles. Do you think they'll both

619
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: be better at guard? I think Fano is more than

620
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: a good enough athlete to play tackle. His feet are tremendous,

621
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: maw we know what I mean, moves more like a

622
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: guard but again I will try and to tackle first.

623
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Speaker 2: How do you view those two guys towards the top

624
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: of the draft.

625
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think molinoia is is a tackle. I think

626
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: he'll I think he'll be good there. I think he

627
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: moves well enough to make it at the next level.

628
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: And I you know, it's interesting Panay suwell, when he

629
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: came out, he was in that same arm length conversation.

630
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: We talked about that and he came out and I saw,

631
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: I think Mona is going to be fine. I think

632
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna be fine there. And with final I and

633
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: my last mock, I had the Lions going up to

634
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 3: get him at thirteen and I think I think they

635
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: would try him at tackle, and I think if if nothing,

636
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: they could use him inside too. And he had center.

637
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: He took center snaps after the workout was over at

638
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: the combine. So I think teams see him as a

639
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: versatile player as well. And I think regardless of where

640
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: you play him, he's going to be in that you know,

641
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: thirteen to you know, fifteen area or whatever in this

642
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: draft because he's just too good of a player to

643
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: last much longer than that.

644
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fano gives me a little ver Shawn Slater vibes

645
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: a little bit er arms, but but a really good

646
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: athletic guy. We'll see if these things out a tackle

647
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Slater has I think Slater had a little bit of

648
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: longer arms.

649
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: I think he was over thirty three inches if I

650
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: remember correctly.

651
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that that that's kind of

652
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: how I see him, and I just think wherever he

653
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: winds up, I have no doubt that Fanal is going

654
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Speaker 1: to be a very good offense of.

655
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: One exactly exactly. And that's why again, typically a team

656
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't trade up for a guy like that, but you know, occasionally,

657
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: if you think he's a tackle, you make that. You

658
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: make that move for a guy like that, and I

659
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: won't be surprised if somebody does.

660
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: How how do you think Freeling is going to go?

661
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: As you know?

662
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the only guys here that people really

663
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: think is that you left tackle. Caleb Bloomo I guess

664
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: would be in that category as well. Right, How much

665
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: of those guys get pushed up for teams that really

666
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: want a left to tackle?

667
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think the Browns have to look

668
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: at him at six. I don't he wouldn't be in

669
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: my top ten players in this draft, but I think

670
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: in this in this class, he may end up going

671
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: that high, just because the Browns are desperate for a

672
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: tackle in the worst way, and with Dwan Jones not

673
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: being able to stay healthy and Conkling gone and all that.

674
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Titus Howard's fine. They probably overpaid him.

675
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 3: But but like you need, you need to look at

676
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: him at six. If that happens, in the City's another

677
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: team that I agree really could use a tackle, And

678
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: so if he doesn't go six, it's possible he goes

679
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: to Kansas City at nine. But I think in the end,

680
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: like to me, I value him more in the Taylor

681
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: Decker just a really solid tackle in the middle of

682
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: the first round, That's where I would take him. But

683
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: I think his ceiling is probably six with the Browns.

684
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think Fano could be a possibility for

685
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: the Chiefs at at nine too, right as they're trying

686
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: to find a right tackle of the future there.

687
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: I think that'll be interesting. If you want to know

688
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: how to manage two minutes of crunch time football, I'm

689
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: your man. But if you're wondering about a long term

690
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: financial plan, you should talk to citizens. Hey, I can

691
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: also talk long care. I'd like to learn about amliar team. Yes,

692
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: I knew I could help make sense of your money

693
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: with citizens. How about Vega Iowana.

694
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: You know some giant fans I think only because there's

695
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: such a needy guard for them, They're like, oh, you know,

696
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: he's like the best guard since Quentin Nelson. Can we

697
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: pick him at five? That to me seems a little

698
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: bit rich. I do think he's very good. He has

699
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: a first round greed for me, I'm just not sure.

700
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: I see the he's a maller, but I'm not sure

701
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I see the requisite athleticism that I saw with Quentin

702
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Nelson that would make me feel comfortable picking him that high.

703
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: No, I think his ceiling is probably eleven with the Dolphins,

704
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: depending on how things work. I think he's a pretty

705
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: solid mid round pick. Yeah, and then you're right, like,

706
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: he moves pretty well for a guy his size, but

707
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 3: he's not. Q is one of the favorite players that

708
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: I've ever scouted in the last twenty five years, So

709
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to put him in that category. But

710
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: certainly if if the Steelers, if he were to follow

711
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: the Steelers at twenty one, they would you don't really

712
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: run a card up anymore like he used to in

713
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: the old days, but they would run the virtual card

714
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: up and go get Yowani pretty quickly.

715
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

716
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: And if the Giants do want to do that, just

717
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: pick maw we NOA right, and then you can play

718
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: in the first couple of years at guard a lumin

719
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Or signed a three year deal.

720
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: He's in his thirties already, and then you just move.

721
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Now we know out to tackle once the lubnor retires

722
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: or moves on. So that's all I would or or

723
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: Fanno for that matter, And that's all I would look

724
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: at that if I were the Giants at least, yeah

725
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: I would.

726
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: I would do either of those things before I take

727
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: You want to that that early?

728
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that all right.

729
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: The other position that I think is pretty deep chat

730
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: and I love having you on because we can kind

731
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: of dive deep into these guys and in the later rounds,

732
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: and you are very well right into a lot of

733
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: these guys. And if you look at your mock round four,

734
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: especially filled with tight ends, there are tight ends all

735
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: out of place in round four of your draft. And again,

736
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: this is not a group where we're gonna get one

737
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: first round tight end, maybe one, maybe two seconds probably.

738
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: I'm thinking two tight ends in the second round, I think, and.

739
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Then there's gonna be a waterfall, right, and there's gonna

740
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: be a bunch of tight ends. So take take me

741
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: through the that that kind of those tiers of this class,

742
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: and who are some of the guys that stick out

743
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: to you from that really thick group that's gonna go

744
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: between rounds three and five.

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Eli star Wars from Vanderbilt's probably a

746
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: round two guy. I would be interested to see if

747
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: the Broncos would take him early or late in round one.

748
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: That's the one spot where I think like, if he

749
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: were to go in round one, maybe maybe he would

750
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: go to them.

751
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: But well, unfortunately the Broncos don't have that first round

752
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: pick anymore, was they sure?

753
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally forget that's right. That's why I didn't move

754
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: never mind. So but no, he's he's a round two

755
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: guy for the most part. So I don't think the

756
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: forty nine ers would take him at that point. Even

757
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: with Kittle's thing. I just think it's probably a little

758
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: too rich. But anyway, so he'll go round two and

759
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: a team will love his versatility and really he's a

760
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: stronger runner than you think forder quarterback. You weren't sure

761
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: how physical, you know, if how physically, he certainly is

762
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: as a runner after the catch. So Sam Roche from

763
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: Stanford is the surprise second round tight end I think

764
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: this year because he just got the size and the

765
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: athleticism that he proved at the combine and I think

766
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: took that step. So like I think I have Denver

767
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: and my next one, I think I'll undertaking him at

768
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: the end of round two. Is a really good two

769
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: way tight end, So I like that fit a lot.

770
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, you got a ton of good athletes at

771
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: this position. Michael Trigg from Baylor, Gillenberg from Wyoming. Just

772
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: guys that are like two hundred and forty pounds but

773
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: really athletic, and you're gonna be able to get down

774
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: the field with these guys, and I think teams are

775
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: gonna love their athleticism. Then you got the bigger guys down.

776
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: Bentley from Utah gives you some athleticism but also a

777
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: little bit of size, and I think teams will appreciate

778
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: that and their number two tight end and maybe he

779
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 3: works into a starting position at some point in the future.

780
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 3: Max Claire from Ohio State. He wasn't used that much

781
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: this year except for certain games, but he was a

782
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: little bit underutilized. I thought at Purdue you could see

783
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: the athleticism after the catch and things like that. But

784
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: he I think teams go back to that that previous

785
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: year tape and see a little bit more and think

786
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: that he could be a real special after the after

787
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: the catch guy. For a quarterback, I think you go

788
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: out Joey Royer from from Cincinnati, justin generally from from

789
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: North Carolina State. There's a bunch of guys that are

790
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: either none of them are first and second round picks.

791
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: They're either a little small or a little bit slow

792
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: or things like that. But in the end, all of

793
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: them are going to contribute. So like you said, it's

794
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: gonna be fourth round, fifth round, third on the you're

795
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: gonna see well, I think the combine twenty seven or

796
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: twenty eight tight ends. You never see that at the

797
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: combine and so that's how that's how deep this group is.

798
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: And Oscar Dealt from Georgia didn't have a great year

799
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: this year, but he blew up his Pro day and

800
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: teams are going to go back again, go back to

801
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: previous year's tapes, and he goes, yeah, this guy shows

802
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: a little something. When black Bauers wasn't available at Georgia,

803
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: he stepped in and did all right. So yeah, lots

804
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: of lots of guys to consider in the middle of

805
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: the draft.

806
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: And now teams always looking for these two way tight

807
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: ends to right with teams trying to play a lot

808
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: more twelve and thirteen personnel even and two guys.

809
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: I really like Eli Raritan at a Notre Dame.

810
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy that blocks, and he's got some

811
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: athleticsy he catches balls downfield. And then I like Lake

812
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: McCree out a USC he's a guy that can block.

813
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good shrine bowl. I

814
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: thought he had a really nice combine as well. I

815
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: thought his position drills were really good at the combine.

816
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a two way tight end,

817
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: there are plenty of those guys too. In addition to

818
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: that kind of f move guys you were talking about previously.

819
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're gonna be able to find like a

820
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: Will Coasmeric maybe in the sixth round, another guy out

821
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: of Ohio State and there's another guy who's a really

822
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: good blocker. So I think teams are looking for that,

823
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: but I don't think they're gonna spend an early pick

824
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: on it, if you know what I mean. I think

825
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: they appreciate it, but in the end, I think it's

826
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: the quicker and more athletic guys that will get picked earlier.

827
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: But again, some of these guys were talking about fifth,

828
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: sixth round guys. They're gonna be on the field as rookies.

829
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's do some Jeff Ciprol was quick heere

830
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye. What's one guy that you see

831
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: A bunch of people have going super high into their

832
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: draft and it could be any round, and you've watched

833
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: the tip and you're like, you know what, they could

834
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: be right about this.

835
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: I just don't see it.

836
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Caleblomu has some work to do in

837
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: getting stronger as a run blocker. I don't know that

838
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: I would take him late in the first round. Again,

839
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: we've talked about the lack of pure left tackles in

840
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: this draft, so maybe he goes there, but I don't

841
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: think I would be as willing to take him on

842
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: that early as others. You know, it's funny, Like I

843
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: don't there's not a lot of guys that stand out

844
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: to me as being completely overrated. Kenyon Sadik from Oregon

845
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: awesome athlete, not as reliable as a receiver as I

846
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: would like, and he may end up going You see

847
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: him now, even though he had a great combine, you're

848
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: not seeing him as a top ten pick. You're seeing

849
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: people put him into the twenties. Like Evan Ingraham for example,

850
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: was a pretty similar example. So I think I would

851
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: probably wait a little bit more on him than others

852
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: might be looking at him interesting.

853
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's probably a little bit more of

854
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: a physical player and probably a little bit better blocker

855
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: than Ingram was. But yeah, I mean in terms of

856
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: being an athlete, I think that's fair. All right, let's

857
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: flip it. Who's the guy that you're like, come on,

858
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: draft community, why aren't you higher on this guy?

859
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: I love this dude. Why don't you have him a

860
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: lot higher than you do?

861
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: You know what's funny, Ty Simpson is going to really

862
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: be an interesting case study because I think, well, now

863
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: people are trying to I should say that coming into

864
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: this last before is pro day. A lot of people

865
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: didn't even put him in the first round of their

866
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 3: Mick draft, right Like, people were like, he's not worth

867
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: a first round pick, He's not with her, And I'm like, no,

868
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: he's definitely worth a first round pick. He's got tools.

869
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Speaker 3: Now when people now see in his pro dain start

870
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Speaker 3: comparing him to Mendoz, it's gommently no, no, no, no, no, no,

871
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: we're not doing that. But I think he's a guy

872
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: that should be a mid first round pick, and I

873
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: think the Jets will take him there because he's got

874
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: all of the things you want in a quarterback, including

875
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: the mental intelligence and all this other stuff that everybody wants.

876
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: But his film isn't top ten worthy. It isn't. But

877
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Speaker 3: I think if you can get a guy like that

878
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: in the middle to late first round, you absolutely should

879
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: And so I think people should really appreciate him a

880
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: little bit more than they do. And I think maybe

881
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: another guy that I think people are starting to come

882
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: around on him now is Omar Cooper, the receiver from Indiana.

883
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: I think people are starting to get like, hey, it's

884
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: not going to be a surprise if this guy goes

885
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Speaker 3: at twelve to Dallas. It's not going to be a surprise.

886
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: You know, I have him going fifteen to the Rams

887
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: I think in my last seventeen to the Rams or

888
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: whatever it was, because he fits what they do. But

889
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: depending on how the draft changes out, he's a top

890
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: twelve talent, certainly some of the best body control we've

891
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: seen from a receiver this year. He's got the catch

892
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: of the year, he's proved a speed at the combine,

893
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Speaker 3: and when you add up all that stuff, I mean,

894
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Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be above some other guys that were

895
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: more highly rated coming in Jordan Tyson, maybe mkayle Lemon

896
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Speaker 3: because of his overall skill set.

897
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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

898
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Speaker 1: I'm actually a big fan of his too. I'm with you,

899
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: all right, and now give me the guy. You wake up,

900
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: you're cranky, you're just not a good mood. You're tired

901
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: of watching tape. But this guy, who might not be

902
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: a first round pick or maybe even a second round pick,

903
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: you just put on the tape and it makes you

904
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: happy and you just like watching him. And he's kind

905
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: of like your pet cat in the mid to late

906
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: rounds of this draft that you just think is gonna

907
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: be a good football player.

908
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: You know, It's funny because the other day I was

909
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: thinking about who do I really like watching. You know,

910
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: one of the things people talked about the combine, underwear

911
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: olymp all that stuff. But the guy I watched, probably

912
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: I liked watching the most was Chris Johnson, the corner

913
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: from San Diego State, because his on field work was

914
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: phenomenal and his footwork was the best of the class.

915
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: And that really makes me happy that I get to

916
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: sit there and watch these guys live and see this

917
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: kind of stuff happening and like doing the things that

918
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: people don't necessarily get to see on film as much

919
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: because you're asked to do different things, and so that

920
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: makes me happy just being able to get that. I

921
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: guess a couple other guys that I've put in my

922
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: second round that I like watching, even though maybe other

923
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: people aren't as familiar with them. Traydon Stukes from Arizona

924
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: Physical big Body Corner. Really like watching him play, and

925
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: the guy maybe I don't know. I don't know if

926
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: they call my draft crush, but I really love Jacob

927
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: Rodriguez from Texas techis man. He's just one of the

928
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: most fun guys to watch.

929
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: Honestly, he's either my him and him In Hill from

930
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Texas or kind of almost even with me, but I

931
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: have both of them rinked ahead of C. J.

932
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Speaker 2: Allen to be honest with you.

933
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think Rodriguez could go round one.

934
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: But he's just a fun watch no matter where he goes.

935
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: He's he's just a fun watch in terms of every

936
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: he knows where the ball is going, he can make

937
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: plays in the ball. You know, he's a former offensive

938
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: player with good athleticism. He's just a fun watch. And

939
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: it's hard not to love the mustache.

940
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: What does he play on offense?

941
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Well, when he was came into the he was a

942
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: like h to a threat quarterback coming in. He went

943
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: to sign his Virginia as one. That was his that

944
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: was his thing, and then he got moved over to

945
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: the other side of the ball.

946
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: So I remember that now.

947
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was he was something else in high school.

948
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, next level, they're gonna move him. But he again,

949
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: the athleticism translates.

950
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: And he ended up testing really well at the combine too.

951
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: With three cone drow was off the charts. It was

952
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: just absolutely phenomenal, which I thought was was good.

953
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: All right, final game here, Chad.

954
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: I like to give each draft person I have on

955
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: give him an option for a combination of picks for

956
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: the Giants and in rounds one and two. And you

957
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: know what, since since you did the draft, I'll throw

958
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: round four in here too, just for fun. So, so

959
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: three man combinations, which one of these two three man

960
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: combinations do you like the best?

961
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: I've kind of.

962
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Structured these similarly, where you're gonna have two defensive players

963
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: as the first two picks, and then you're gonna have

964
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: two offensive players as your uh as as your next two.

965
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give

966
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Speaker 1: you either Caleb Downs, CJ. Allen, and Jacry Lane, or

967
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Sonny Styles Avian Terrell. And let's

968
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: say I'm looking for guard in that round. To get you,

969
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: let's go DJ Campbell out of Texas. So I'll give

970
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: it to you again, Downs, C J. Allen, j Cory Lane, Styles,

971
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Avian Terrell, DJ Campbell.

972
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'd go with uh. I'd go with

973
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: Door A Bob. I think I think I like Downs

974
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: as a player a lot. I think Allen's a good

975
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: value in round two, and Lane's got some potential to

976
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: be a good dumfield big body receiver. I think I

977
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: would I would go with uh.

978
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: That that group interesting, Chad, This is great, man. Tell

979
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Speaker 1: the folks where they can find all your great work.

980
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: What's you up to and anything else you want them

981
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: to know about.

982
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, go to NFL dot com. My ugly mugs right

983
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: up there with the old four round mock draft and

984
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 3: a five round again coming out next Friday, April. Whatever

985
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: we said that was third, second, third, uh, and now

986
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: more mocks coming after that stuff and round her and

987
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: then the draft weekend. It's all about grades, baby, It's

988
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: all about grades. So you can find my pointless draft

989
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: grades after the event is over. And you know, I

990
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: say that because everybody says that, but I think they

991
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: are important. And I put this in the lead every

992
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: year because you have to have a snapshot at the

993
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: time of the draft, because otherwise you can go back

994
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: three years earlier. And everybody uses hindsight, you know, to

995
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: all this, guys, So you need to take a picture

996
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: at the point, say what did we think about what

997
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: happened after the draft, and then you can make a

998
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: little bit better decisions, you know, three years from now,

999
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: and what made sense and what didn't make sense at

1000
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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 2: Chad, You're the best.

1002
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: He is the brains behind the draft coverage on NFL

1003
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: dot Com and NFL Network. Chad, it was I was

1004
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: really disappointed. I guess she has to hang out with

1005
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: you at the combine this year. I got stuck in

1006
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: the snow here in New York with Yeah, I heard

1007
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: on the ground, but it is what it is. I

1008
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: missed you and we'd look forward to seeing you next year.

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Speaker 2: Man.

1010
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: Thanks, I really appreciate you having me on again.

1011
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Chad Ryder does a great job.

1012
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: You're lea guest for us here covering the NFL Draft

1013
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,720
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1014
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