1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: am your host. Movie Mike have a very special episode 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: for you today. We're gonna be talking about the First Omen. 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: I will give you my thoughts on the movie, and 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: then we're gonna have an interview with the director Akashias 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Stevenson and star of the movie Nel Tiger Free, talking 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: all about the behind the scenes and making of the 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: movie and what goes into making a horror movie. So chilling, 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: but even if you're not into horror, I think you 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: will find it fascinating the dynamic between a female director 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: and a female lead. So thank you for being here, 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: thank you for being subscribed, and now let's talk movies. 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast, 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: never before in a movie podcast. A man with so 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: much movie knowledge, he's basically like a walking IMTV with glasses. 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: From the Nashville Podcast. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: Network, This is movie Mike's Movie Podcast. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this pisode on Wednesday, May twenty ninth, 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: The First Omen is available now on digital. It'll be 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: on Hulu tomorrow on May thirtieth, and then on DVD 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: and Blu Ray on July thirtieth, And myself personally, I 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: need to be in a very specific environment when I 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: sit down to watch a horror movie at home. I 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: have to wait for it to be nighttime just to 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: give me that feeling of darkness, because it's really hard 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: for me to be scared at this point. So far 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: this year, a horror movie has not evoked that emotion 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: in me, and The First Omen was the first movie 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: to do that this year. Because that's how I had 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: to take it in. I have to emulate that same 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: feeling that I get while going to see a movie 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: in theaters where it's completely pitch black. All distractions are 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: taken away because if you even stop paying attention to 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: a horror movie for just a second, you might miss 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: the scary moment. So that is very important for me. 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: But depending on how you take it in, I guess 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: it has to do with your level of wanting to 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: be scared. I want to go all in. I want 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: to experience all those things that I think. The First 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Omen is a great movie to do that, So I 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: would recommend turn off all the lights and turn the 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: audio up, because not only does this movie look great. 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: It sounds fantastic, and you may think, what do I 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: care about sound? But for me, this movie took that 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: next level of not only trying to scare you visually, 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: which there are some pretty interesting visual aspects that we're 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: going to get into the interview later. 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: That I haven't really seen to this. 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Degree in a horror movie, much less one owned by Disney. 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: And I was wondering, due to the fact that this 52 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: is a Disney owned movie, that maybe they would keep 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: away from showing some things even though it's rated R. 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: Maybe they'd be like, Okay, we don't want to have 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: that image in this movie. But it seems to me 56 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: that there were really no restrictions. The only goal was 57 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: to make the best Omen movie possible, and I think 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: that is something that the franchise needs right now. The 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: first one came out back in nineteen seventy six, so 60 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: it lands in that category of how do you bring 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air into a franchise that has 62 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: been around forever, that already has this format associated with 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: it and has this big legacy to live up to. 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 3: It's a really hard thing to do. 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: And what I found while watching this movie is it 66 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: had a very distinct style and a very distinct voice, 67 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: and I think that is all due to director Arkasia 68 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: Stephenson's vision. So what this movie is about. You have 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: a character named Margaret played by Nail Tiger Free. She 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: moves to Rome to begin a life of service to 71 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: the church, and once she gets there, she realizes something 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: is kind of up. So it's a prequel to the 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: original Omen, which is all focused on Damien. This is 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: how Damien's life came to be. So all these weird 75 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: things start happening. These authority figures are very, very sketchy, 76 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: and she discovers this darkn sspiracy to bring about the 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: birth of the Antichrist. So it's all about her character 78 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: trying to find answers, trying to stop these people from 79 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: doing these vicious things, while at the same time trying 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: to distinguish between what is actually happening in the real 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: world in Rome and what is happening all inside her 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: mind or these demonic presences messing with her brain. 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: And when I ended up really loving. 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: About the movie and had me invested in it is 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the story really allowed the tension to build. With every 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: sinister event that happens, you get a little bit more 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: anxious as it goes along. So it's like you are 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: right there in the perspective of Margaret, experiencing all these 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: things right there with her, and I thought that was 90 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: really well done. Nelle Tiger Free did a fantastic job 91 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: of showing a character's descent into madness from moving to Rome, 92 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: thinking your life is going to completely change for the better, 93 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and then realizing that there is something really awful going 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: on here. And the more you try to get answers 95 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: from people, the more they push back. There's this girl, 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: she has a relationship who is being tormented by all 97 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: of these people at the church, and it's her relationship 98 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: with that kid that really shows you how good of 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: a person she is, and what really has you invested 100 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: in her as a character, and what really has you 101 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: rooting for her, because at the inner core of her being, 102 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: she is just a good person who got put into 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: a really, really awful situation. So this movie hits you 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: on an emotional level, and then you have all the 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: scary elements that come along with that, which are more dark, 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: demonic presences, but nothing too gruesome that's gonna make your 107 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: stomach churn. It's more about creating this sinister environment and 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: having these really shocking images that will literally be burned 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: into your brain. And what I really love is at 110 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: the forefront of this movie is a strong female character 111 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: backed by a strong female So that is why I'm 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: excited to talk to director Arkasha Stevenson and Neil tiger Free, 113 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: who plays Margaret. You'll hear two people in this interview. 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: Arkashia Stevenson, the director doesn't have an accent, so you'll 115 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: hear two people in this interview, and to be able 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: to tell them apart. Arkasha Stevenson, the director doesn't have 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: an accent. Nell tiger Free, who plays Margaret, has an 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: English accent, so you'll be able to tell both of 119 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: them apart. And remember, the first Omen is available now 120 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: on digital drops on Hulu tomorrow, and it'll be available 121 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: on DVD and Blu Ray on July thirtieth. But right now, 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: here's my interview with the director and star of the movie. 123 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: I just watched. 124 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: The movie and I loved it, and I'm glad to 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: be able to talk to you both together because i 126 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: think the dynamic of actor and director is really special. 127 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: I haven't done an interview like this before, so I'm 128 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: really excited to dive into this movie before we get 129 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: into just everything I loved about it. My wife hates 130 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: horror movies, and it's really hard for me to convince 131 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: her to watch a horror movie. She doesn't like anything 132 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: that evokes any kind of anxiety. How would you get 133 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't want to watch a horror movie to 134 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: watch the first omen M? 135 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: Bribe them? Well, you know, I think the vagina shot 136 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: is a big draw. You know, that's a first I 137 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: think in horror films, at least for Disney horror films, 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: depending on well, actually, I know that might scare her 139 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: off even more so. Well, the thing is, you know, 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: I'm very proud of how pretty I think our film is, 141 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: you know, and I think that that's that's a draw 142 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: because we do get to shoot in Rome, and I 143 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: think that you you really get a sense of the 144 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: city and you get a real sense of the period. 145 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: Am I selling your wife? Yet? I can't tell she 146 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: loves Rome. 147 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: I could convince her that with the imagery. 148 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: Okay, room. 149 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: Sells a romance story. 150 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: Feat vagina. 151 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: Yes, So when I try. 152 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: To find a movie right now with a strong female lead, 153 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: I always find myself going back to the horror genre. 154 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: I think in the last three years, that is where 155 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: I've gone to you to find a true hero story 156 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: that's female led. It is just a genre that is 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: kind of dominating right that right now, And that is 158 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: what I got from the first omen And I think 159 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot of that comes across ouse screen probably had 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: to do with your relationship as director and actor. So 161 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: how much of that relationship and what was that first 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: true test of like, Okay, we trust each other. We're 163 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: gonna do some crazy things in this movie, but it's 164 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: gonna be working. 165 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 5: I mean, trust is super important, really important, especially with 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: the like material that we were handling and you know, 167 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 5: some sensitive stuff that we were diving into together. But 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 5: to be honest, I don't know if this says more 169 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 5: about me than anything, but I trusted Gosh pretty much 170 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: straight away. I Mean we had such a like cool, beautiful, 171 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 5: like first meeting, which was my Zoom audition, and even 172 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: though we had like a screen and an ocean separating 173 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 5: our technically at the time, like I just felt so 174 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 5: connected to her and safe and yeah, I felt like 175 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 5: I trusted her straight away. 176 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 4: And it only thank you for saying that because I 177 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: felt the same thing. It's you know, Nell, it's on 178 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 4: set every single day. She's in almost every single scene 179 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 4: of this movie, and so so much pressure was on you, 180 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: and so much was writing on you. And what was 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: so magical is that she approached that with absolute zero fear, 182 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: which I think is really rare to find somebody who's 183 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: willing to get down and dirty. It's a very physical 184 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 4: role in extremely emotionally taxing and there was not a 185 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: single obstacle that you weren't down to tackle. And it 186 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 4: was really special because in this in this our first meeting, 187 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: Nell read you were gracious enough to read for us, 188 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: and she read the most intense scene, which is in 189 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: Brennan's apartment. Actually I won't spoil anything, but it's a 190 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: very intense scene. And she did that on the spot 191 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: on zoom and I started crying and we were everybody 192 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 4: was just kind of frozen, and we're like, Okay, this 193 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 4: is this is our partner, you know, so we just 194 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: knew right away. 195 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: You were mentioning some of the hard things that, you know, Neil, 196 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: you had to do. I really loved how your character 197 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of evolves throughout the movie of the sinister thing 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: continue to happen. She kind of just grows and gets 199 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more kind of demented in a way. 200 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: Was that something that you looked at when you first 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: got the Scriptles Gay, How am I going to kind 202 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: of play out this character and show that she's evolving, 203 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: that she's starting to become a little bit more hesitant 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: about what is real what is not real? 205 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, And well Cash describes it so well, is that 206 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 5: it's like, you know, it's it's like the descent into Hell. 207 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 5: And I feel like visually there was something that Cash 208 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 5: did too in the movie where it's like, you know, 209 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 5: we start in this picturesque, beautiful place and then we 210 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 5: kind of end in like an inferno, we end in Hell, 211 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 5: And I felt like that was kind of what Margaret's 212 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 5: trajectory had to be. She had to get broken down 213 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: so much and beaten so much that she kind of rose. 214 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 5: And I felt like that's I had these markers for Margaret, 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 5: you know Margaret when we meet Margaret in the middle 216 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 5: of Margaret at the end, and just trying to piece 217 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 5: piece that journey together. But you know, a lot of 218 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 5: it was on the page, and it was just about 219 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: kind of finding the nuance and making it feel real 220 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: and you know, we didn't want it. It wasn't like 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 5: a like a torture born thing like enjoy watching all 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 5: these awful things happen. 223 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: It was like, you know, she had to. 224 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 5: Go go through all of this to come out the 225 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 5: other side. 226 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 4: And what was really actually I just thought about this 227 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: and what was really interesting is because a lot of 228 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: the horror comes from if you took this supernatural element 229 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: out of this film, it's still I think a very 230 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: terrifying horror film because you're dealing with, you know, repressed 231 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 4: trauma and repressed intuition. And as these things start to 232 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 4: resurface in Margaret, she doesn't know what's supernatural, what is 233 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: a past trauma that is now she's now remembering and 234 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: experiencing in real life again. And what was so interesting 235 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: about the way you performed is Nel never said, Okay, 236 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: what is this? Is this real? Is this not real? 237 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 4: Is this a memory? And I loved that about you 238 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 4: because that was what the character was experiencing, this real 239 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: ambiguity as to what her reality was. 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: I think it's also sometimes in just the Omen franchise, 241 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: it's not always the deep dark, sinister monster villain. It's 242 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: also the authoritative figures in the movie, and I think 243 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: that was also a big part of this, of Margaret 244 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: rebelling against the authority there. 245 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. I mean, Margaret had been told not to 246 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 5: trust what she saw for her whole life. You know, 247 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 5: it's like she's been gas lit by the people who 248 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 5: are supposed to take care of her. And that's just 249 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 5: a terrifying concept in itself. I think that's so pertinent 250 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: and so true what Carsha says that even if you 251 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: do take the supernatural element out of it and that 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 5: part of the horror away from it, it's still very 253 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 5: much would be a horror film because it's you know, 254 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 5: an abused woman and a woman who is going through 255 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 5: traumas that women have to go through all the time, 256 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 5: and it's you know, that's why that was also why 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 5: it felt like such a pertinent story to me, because 258 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: it's like, you know, even if this wasn't a part 259 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 5: of the Omen franchise and Damien wasn't the result at 260 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 5: the end of it, and it was something else, it 261 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 5: would still be on the page and off it hopefully 262 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: it would still feel like, like true, a true horror film. 263 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: So yeah, I just saw what you said. 264 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 4: No, I love it. I mean it's true. Yeah, it's it. 265 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 4: Margaret's a character who was bred to breed. Yeah, you know, 266 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: and that's that's not a foreign Yeah. I came up 267 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 4: with that just I know, thank you, But that's not 268 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: foreign for Yeah, that's not a foreign experience for women. 269 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: And so I think, yeah, you could have the same 270 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: effect even without the demonic elements. 271 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: I think to fully like buy into doing a horror movie, 272 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: you probably have to become really invested in the source 273 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: material and also believe it yourself. You're living in it, 274 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing it every day. You're having to experience that. 275 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: Do you ever lean into it a little bit too 276 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: much to where it starts affecting your mental state? Because 277 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: I'll watch a horror movie, I'll go to sleep and 278 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: I'll have a nightmare. But you are working, you both 279 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: are working in this every single day. Does it ever 280 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: just start to affect your personal life? 281 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: No, not at all. 282 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 5: We are absolutely just completely normal, good, right fully functioning. 283 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: You know, we live we live underground in caves. 284 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 285 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you have to you have to learn 286 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 5: to separate from it because if you take too much 287 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: of it in I mean, nobody was living in the 288 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 5: world more than Cash. I mean, it was your every 289 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: waking moment for so much longer than anybody else was 290 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 5: involved in it, because you know, you were there at 291 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: its inception and they're right until the bitter end. And 292 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 5: I came in for a couple of months and did 293 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 5: my part and left, and you know, Cash is still 294 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 5: there in that world. But yeah, for me, it's just 295 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 5: luckily I have things that can very definitively separate me 296 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 5: from Margaret, like you know, my even something as small 297 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: as having a different accent to the character, it can 298 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: separate you from them straight away. And yeah, I mean 299 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 5: I think when I was younger, I used to hold 300 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: my characters much closer in my real life. But that's actually, 301 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 5: I think a hindrance because you have to be able 302 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: to kind of be a chameleon and shed your skin 303 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: and then go back in and do it again. But yeah, 304 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: I try not to let too much of it in 305 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: otherwise I think I'd be alone. 306 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: A big debate online right now is the discussion of 307 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: v effects versus practical effects in this movie. What's the Percentagejohn? 308 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: What was things that you actually made for the movie 309 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: that you could actually interact with and things that happened 310 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: in post production. 311 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing that isn't a practical effect is 312 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: the jackal at the end, at the very end, So 313 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: I'd say it's ninety percent practical, ten percent CG. I think, 314 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: you know, something that was really important to us is that, 315 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: to the best of our ability to use a practical approach, 316 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: just because I think when you're trying to embody the 317 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: spirit of nineteen seventies filmmaking, you know that that people 318 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: are looking for something very tactile and textured, and I 319 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: think also when it comes to horror, it's bringing that 320 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: reality into set for something for you to see. The 321 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: seal I think has a huge effect on everybody. So 322 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: we you know, we really wanted to as much as 323 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: possible rely on our makeup, effects and SFX team. 324 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: Another thing I think kind of doesn't get talked about 325 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: enough in horror movies is the sound. Which I found 326 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: it to be really haunting in this movie, and a 327 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: lot of the jump scares that happened as a result 328 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: of the sound, the quick whispers, the quick just out 329 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: of nowhere in your face moments. What was the idea 330 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: behind some of the sound design. 331 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know what I was really excited about 332 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: both our score and the sound design, because I think 333 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: that there wasn't really a defined line between the two 334 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: in this project, because a lot of our sound design, 335 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: if you listen very closely, is Nell breathing, or Nell screaming, 336 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: or Nell praying, And so a lot of that whispering 337 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: is Nell and some of the other women in the film, 338 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: you know, muttering prayers almost manically, and a lot of 339 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: you know, in a lot of the very intense set 340 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 4: pieces like the birth clinic scene, a lot of that 341 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 4: sound design is is just female breath. And then a 342 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: lot of the score was female breath layered with a 343 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: lot of female vocals, even female you know screams. So 344 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 4: just this constant paranoia and reminder that there's there's humans 345 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: involved in all of this violence was really important to us, 346 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 4: if that makes sense. 347 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about the human part there. The other 348 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: part that I found kind of enjoyable that I haven't 349 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: really seen in a horror movie is there's what I 350 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: feel is kind of a win for Margaret's character of 351 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: just having a little small moment of levity whenever she 352 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: goes out for that night, even though she's reluctant to go. 353 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: It's like oh, here are all these crazy things happening, 354 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: but then she goes gets to go out and have 355 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: fun and dance. What was the idea behind that scene? 356 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: Margaret is I would say a very sheltered character, but 357 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 4: she's not stupid, you know, and that it was really 358 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: important for us to create a really three dimensional, dynamic 359 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 4: character who felt very grounded. And so if this conspiracy, 360 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 4: she was going to fall into this conspiracy, she had 361 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 4: to be seduced into it, and I think in a 362 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: really relatable way. And so having Nell's character at the 363 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 4: disco was not only I think one of my favorite 364 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 4: scenes just because you're so endearing and delightful, but you 365 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: actually start to root for her and Paolo and their romance, 366 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: which I think you need to do that to not 367 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: undermine the credibility of Margaret. But yeah, how did you feel? 368 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 5: No, I mean that's exactly it like that. It was. 369 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 5: It was it was when you see it went watching 370 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 5: shooting it. Certainly it was a beautiful thing to shoot, 371 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 5: and there was so much levity there in those moments 372 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 5: with me and Andrea, who's fantastic, and it makes it 373 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 5: all that more heartbreaking when you find out, you know 374 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 5: the truth behind his character and the true behind the 375 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 5: intent of the disco. You know, that is probably the 376 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 5: scene with the most levity, but then it also leads 377 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: to the most grueling elements of the film. And she 378 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 5: it's kind of it's sober, so sweet because she's given 379 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 5: this moment of freedom and experience and youth, and it's 380 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 5: all it's all there to manipulate her, and it's all 381 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 5: there to suck her in and yeah, seduce her into this, 382 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 5: into this world. So she's just being manipulated or left 383 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 5: right center. 384 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: And if you're not in love with Margaret at that 385 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 4: point when she dances onto the dance floor, you definitely 386 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 4: are just how I dance melksher at the club. 387 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we mentioned this about being a Disney well, 388 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: a Disney owned film. If you could go back now 389 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: and star in the horror remake of a Disney classic, 390 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: what would you want to be in Disney classic? They're 391 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: going to do a R rated horror aducation. What would 392 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: you want to start in? 393 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 5: I know this, I would want to do like the 394 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 5: Hands Christian and version of The Little Mermaid where me 395 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 5: become knives, like the ground becomes knives and she becomes 396 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 5: foam on the water and it's like, it's very dark. 397 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 5: The original fairy tale is very very dark. So if 398 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 5: they made that version, I would. 399 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: Love to tell it. 400 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: And then how would you direct that version? 401 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, well, you know it's so lovely? Is 402 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 4: I grew up on that version? Yeah, and I actually 403 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: have a mermaid tattoo because of that. That's so crazy 404 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: that you bring that up. 405 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 5: I had the original storybook and it was so I 406 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 5: feel like it could be easily a horror God, why 407 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 5: has nobody made this? 408 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: I think we just found the next film. 409 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: It's your idea about. 410 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: You give me a small part in it and we're 411 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: all good. 412 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the time. 413 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: I hope everybody goes and watches the movie because I 414 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. It has made me want to go 415 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: back and revisit all the omen movies and me I 416 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: feel like it's the biggest breadth of fresh air in 417 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: the franchise. And just congratulations on the movie. 418 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 4: Oh you. 419 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. 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