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Speaker 1: Well, the Cubs are acting like a small market team,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get right into it, Patrick, Let's find out

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Speaker 1: what the fans want to know about Kevin McNamee wants

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Speaker 1: to has a question, assuming the Cubs aren't pursuing top

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Patrick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Seattle makes a ton of sense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: elements that impacted his second half along with just like

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Speaker 1: you know, the randomness of baseball. He was a good

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Speaker 1: player on the road. Do they get credit for this? Look,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a good trade at the time,

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Speaker 1: Like and I think, you know, we'll see what Ty

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Speaker 1: Johnson turns into. We'll see if Christopher Morrell is better

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Speaker 1: I don't think you worry about those things. I saw

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Speaker 1: a great point made on Twitter. Go look at all

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Speaker 1: the trades they've made over the last few months, over

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Speaker 1: the last year and a half, and all the players

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Speaker 1: that they got that they traded, a lot of them

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Speaker 1: were from the draft, and many of them were from

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Speaker 1: like the third, fourth, fifth round, on tenth round, eleventh round,

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Speaker 1: twelfth round that didn't happen before that did not happen.

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Speaker 1: That was a big issue. Why couldn't they be in

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Speaker 1: on Paul Goldschmid. Why couldn't they be in on Raley

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Speaker 1: Nolan Arronado unless they were trading Chris Brant. They had

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Speaker 1: no prospects to trade. Nobody wanted their depth pieces because

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Speaker 1: they weren't interesting. Right now, they do have those guys.

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Speaker 1: They have guys that people are interested in. That they've

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Speaker 1: drafted in the fifth round, in the tenth round, in

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Speaker 1: the twelfth round. That's that I think is a good

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Speaker 1: sign for the way things are going. Escoch Paratis needs

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Speaker 1: to perform that contract. Yes, I would not I the

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Speaker 1: projection for Alex Regman. If you're comparing those two, I say,

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Speaker 1: take Paradis in the t's right. That's what I That's

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Speaker 1: my personal opinion. Maybe maybe Bregmant will prove me wrong

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Speaker 1: and go on to put up you know, multiple more

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Speaker 1: All Star MVP caliber seasons and Paratus is on the

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Speaker 1: downswing at twenty something. But you know that that would

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Speaker 1: that would be a misevaluation I guess on their part.

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Speaker 2: I mean one thing, I will say, obviously, that farm system,

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Speaker 2: you know, by twenty nineteen heading into twenty twenty, was

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Speaker 2: one of the worst in the game. But they did

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Speaker 2: use guys. They drafted to get Nick Castillanos, to get

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Speaker 2: Cole Hamils, like they used those pieces and the different

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Speaker 2: The big thing that was, like those guys performed at Wrigley.

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Speaker 2: They were dudes. They captivated fans, They brought a lot

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Speaker 2: of energy. They you know, I mean Cole Hamil's kind

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Speaker 2: of rejuvenated his career, like he looked almost done. He

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Speaker 2: made you know, made a lot more money off of that.

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Speaker 2: N Castillanos obviously caught fire in Chicago. So like Parade's

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Speaker 2: is if he's the player of the Cups think he is,

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Speaker 2: it's fine. I think it's just the issue of, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be a lot more chances for

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Speaker 2: Bregman for that contract to look bad, right because it's

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Speaker 2: just longer. Predos has this wind is window here where

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Speaker 2: he has to be you know, an every day above

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Speaker 2: average third basement for the Cubs offensive impact and and

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Speaker 2: to clean up the defense too. We realized he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to be you know, Nolan aeronauto over there, like

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Speaker 2: Brooks Robinson. But there was a lot of like really

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Speaker 2: like yeah, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: It was worse than it looked when he was with

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Speaker 1: the Rays. I also think, you know, like I think

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Speaker 1: Paradis is a placeholder in the sense like he's an

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Speaker 1: impact potentially impactful placeholder. But I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be with the Cubs for the next six years. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to extend him, right. I wouldn't be shocked

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Speaker 1: if if Cam Smith has like this awesome season, if

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Speaker 1: if you know the Cubs are looking to trade Paradis

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Speaker 1: in a year and a half or something like that,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I have no information on that. I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard them say that. But that's how this front office

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Speaker 1: is going to look to roll, right, if you have

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Speaker 1: a guy that can take over, like there's a reason

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Speaker 1: Nico Horner. May you know we're hearing Nico Horner's name

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Speaker 1: on the trade market right because they have a guy

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Speaker 1: that they think can maybe impact the team and they

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Speaker 1: can do different things now. And that's that's how it's

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Speaker 1: going to be going forward. I think with this front office,

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll look to make moves with established players or prospects,

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Speaker 1: depending on what you know, what what type of moves

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Speaker 1: they're where they are in their contention cycle and what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do what's the goal. Right, It's like

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Speaker 1: we talked about with when we wrote the Big Story.

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Speaker 1: It's like the model. The model doesn't dictate strategy, right.

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Speaker 1: The model model may give you value, but now you

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Speaker 1: you now you see what the value is. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: all agree, we agree with the model. This is the value. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's the strategy? How do we maximize that value? And

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Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of how I think you should

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Speaker 1: look at all of these players and pretists. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's like a lifetime cub, don't don't expect him

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Speaker 1: to be around forever. But but yes, I think it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they deserve some credit if he turns out to be

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Speaker 1: the type of player he has been for the last

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Speaker 1: few years, because that's that's good value. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: type of player you should be aggressively pursuing when those

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Speaker 1: opportunities arise. All right, thanks so much for listening, Happy

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