1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senater Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: you and Senator it is a rock star week. I 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: gotta say for you on Capitol Hill. You got feisty 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: during some hearings and it's gone viral. What just happened 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: with one of the radical nominees put up by the 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Biden administration. 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. Joe Biden has nominated a lot 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 3: of extreme radicals to the bench. This week, we had 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: a hearing with a district court nominee who sent a 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: serial child rapist who is a man who decided that 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: he was a woman, sent him into a woman's prison, 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: disregarded the rights of the women. It is outrageous. I 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: cross examined this nominee. We're going to get into that. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: We're also going to get into what happened at the 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 3: Trump trial this week. We're going to get into, in particular, 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: the bombshell news that Michael Cohen testified about a crime. 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: We finally found a crime at the Trump trial. It 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: just happened to be Michael Cohen was the criminal. He 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: testified and admitted that he stole tens of thousands of 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: dollars from the Trump organization that might well be relevant 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: for charging him, but it doesn't prove any crime on 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: the part of Donald Trump. 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, very important there, and it's shocking to find out 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: those details will have for you in a moment. 26 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question real quick. 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: If you knew that you were giving money to a 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: company that was supporting hardcore lefties running for office, if 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: you knew you were giving money to a company that 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: was supporting planned parenthood, if you knew that you were 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: giving money to a company that was giving money to 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: take away your First and Second Amendment rights, would you 33 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: keep doing it and do it every single month? 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And then all of a sudden, 80 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: you showed up on CNN yesterday for an interview. Are 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: you trying to save the network, sir? Because it's going 82 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: Are you going to help them? 83 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, look, once Ben Ferguson left CNN, they were in 84 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: a downward spiral. 85 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: And I'm glad you remember that. That was about four 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: years ago as well, thank you, And. 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: The company's been hurting ever since. So you know, I 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: want to do what I can for a poor, struggling, drowning, 89 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: fake journalistic network. 90 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: In all fairness, you actually went on there to talk 91 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: about the important piece of legislation that you've been pushing 92 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: that deals with IVF, and they gave you a platform 93 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: to talk about that for a moment before they didn't 94 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: try to come after you. 95 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And Kaitlyn, Kaitlyn Collins, we 96 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: actually had the first segment. It's kind of funny. My 97 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: team said this. I was going to be on for 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: two segments. My team said, the first segment, they'll play nice, 99 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: they'll actually let you talk about what you're here to 100 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: talk about, and you'll have a reasonable conversation. And the 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: second segment, she'll get all nasty and she'll perform for 102 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: all of their left wing stakeholders. And that's exactly what 103 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: she did. And she was snarky and interrupted me and 104 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: didn't want me to answer, and you know, played the 105 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: same gotcha game that we're seeing the media do. Their 106 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: favorite thing right now to do to Republicans is say 107 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 3: will you swear on a stack of Bibles? Actually, they 108 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: don't say a stack of bibles because lefties don't believe 109 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: in bibles. But if they did. They would say, will 110 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: you swear on a stack of Bibles that, no matter what, 111 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: you will fully accept the election results in twenty twenty four, 112 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: And you know I laugh and say, well, no, who 113 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: on earth would do that. Of course I will accept 114 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: them if they're legitimate. But we have in every state 115 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: we have laws in place to challenge voter fraud when 116 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: they are regularities. We have elections that are challenged all 117 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: the time, and the courts overturn election results when they're fraud. 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: Like what imbecile would say, even if something's illegitimate, I'll 119 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: accept it anyway. I'll accept it if it's fair, if 120 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: it follows the law, absolutely, but I'm going to fight 121 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: to uphold the law. And they don't accept that answer, 122 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: and so so Caitlin Collins had kind of a meltdown 123 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: when I gave that answer. 124 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: Over under, you're going to be back in the next 125 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: four years. That's what I really want to know. 126 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: Oh well probably, you know, if nothing else. I sort 127 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: of enjoy going round a round, you know, it gets 128 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: the blood flowing. 129 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: There you go, it's hey, something to do on a 130 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: random Thursday, right, you gotta love it all. Right, let's 131 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: get to the bigger issue here, and that comes up 132 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: with the Biden nominee. You had one heck of a 133 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: time with this Biden radical nominee, Sarah Netbourne. I want 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: you to set the stage for this nominee that was 135 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: coming before you guys in the Senate. It's a nominee 136 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: for the judge for the Southern District of New York. 137 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: Obviously that's gonna be someone that's pretty liberal, but this 138 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: went off the charts radical and is now putting women's 139 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: lives at risk in prison because of decisions that this 140 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: judge is made in the past. 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. So we had a hearing this 142 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: week with a total of five Biden District Court nominees, 143 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: and all five of them were quite left wing. And 144 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: in fact, what Dick Durbin, who's the chairman of the 145 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: Judiciary Committee, did is he stacked them all together because 146 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: this one, in particular was so egregious that I think 147 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: Durbin knew that she would draw all the fire and 148 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 3: the other four would would basically skate by because you 149 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: only have a limited number time to cross examine, and 150 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 3: so this one's record was so bad that the others 151 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: got very little scrutiny. But this particular judicial nominee is 152 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: a woman named Sarah Netburn, and she is a She's 153 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: a magistrate judge in New York. That Biden's nominated to 154 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: be a federal district judge in New York, And that 155 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: means she's the pick of Chuck Schumer. And I got 156 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: to say, even for Biden nominees, and Biden nominees have 157 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: been hard left, they've been much more radical than Obama 158 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: nominees ever were. Even for Biden nominees, this nominee was 159 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: wildly outside the mainstream. And well, look, rather than relive it, 160 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: we should just just just play the cross examination. 161 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gone viral on social media. More than thirty 162 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: eight million have watched this on act so far. 163 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen, Well, Judge that Burn. 164 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna can tinue on this line of questioning in 165 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: your court, what matters more the rights of individuals or 166 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: your political ideology? 167 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: I apply the law to the facts. 168 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: I asked a question which matters more. 169 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: Well, my political ideology doesn't matter at all. 170 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: Okay, So I don't believe you, and I think this 171 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: case demonstrates that you are willing to subjugate the rights 172 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: of individuals to satisfy your political ideology. This case involves 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: a male defendant who raped a nine year old boy? 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: Was he guilty of that? 175 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: Yes, the petitioner pled guilty to that. 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So he raped a nine year old boy. He 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: also raped a seventeen year old girl. Was he guilty 178 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: of that? 179 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: He pled guilty. The petitioner pled guilty of that crime 180 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: as well. 181 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: So was he guilty? 182 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: I hope so because she pled guilty to it? 183 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: He was a he when he did this, that's correct, 184 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: and also criminal deviant conduct, which the record doesn't disclose 185 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: what that it was exactly. Then, after serving in prison, 186 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: mister mclan was released for parole, but then violated the 187 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: terms of parole by having Internet and was sent back 188 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: to prison. One year after being released again, he was 189 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: convicted of having child pornography. Is that correct? 190 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: I'm unclear on exactly the timeframe that you're at, but 191 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: the petitioner was convicted of distributing child pornography. 192 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: Child pornography that was images of adults violently raping children. 193 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 4: Abhorrent conduct, okay, for which there are real victims. 194 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: And this individual six foot two biologically a man A 195 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: minute ago, you said that when this man decided that 196 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: he was a she, you said, this individual was quote 197 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: I wrote it down, sober and entirely a female. That 198 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 3: phrase struck me as remarkable. Did this individual have male genitalia? 199 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 4: I think what I said, or at least. 200 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: That is a verbatim quote entirely a female? 201 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, what I meant to say was hormonally a female. 202 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: Okay, but that's not entirely. Did this individual have male genitalia? 203 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: Yes? 204 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: So you took a six foot two serial rapist, serial 205 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: child rapist with male genitalia, and he said, you know, 206 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: I'd like to be in a women's prison, and your 207 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: answer was that sounds great to me. Let me ask 208 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: you something. The other women in that prison? Do they 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: have any rights? 210 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 4: Is that a question? 211 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: Yes? The other women in that prison? Do they have 212 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: any rights? 213 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: Of course? 214 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: Do they have the right not to have a six 215 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: foot two man who is a repeat serial rapist put 216 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: in as their cellmate? 217 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: Senator Cruz, I considered the facts presented to me, and 218 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 4: I reached a decision. 219 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 3: I asked you a question a lot. I asked you 220 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: a question. Do they have a right not to have 221 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: a six foot two man who is a serial rapist 222 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: put in as their cellmate. Do those women have a 223 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: right to that. 224 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: Every person who's incarcerated has the right to be safe 225 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: in their space. 226 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: But you didn't think so. You didn't think so. And 227 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: in fact, I'm gonna give some quotes from your order 228 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: because Senator Kennedy is right. This is not a judge's order. 229 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: This is a political activist. By the way, the beginning 230 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: of your order says, at birth, people are typically assigned agender. 231 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: I gotta say that would astonish a lot of Americans. 232 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: A lot of Americans think, you go to the hospital, 233 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: baby is born, and congratulations, you have a little boy, 234 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: a little girl the assigned agender. I know you went 235 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: to Brown, but it sounds like it's in a college 236 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: faculty lounge with no bearing on reality. The Bureau of 237 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: Prison argued what I'm saying right now, that if you 238 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 3: put this person in a female prison, there will be 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: a risk of sexual assault to the women. And you 240 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: know what you did. You said you didn't care about 241 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: the women. I'm gonna quote what you wrote. You wrote 242 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 3: quote the Bureau of Prisons claim penological interest in protecting 243 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: female prisoners from sexual violence and trauma. This interest is legitimate. 244 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: That's kind of you to say, But there are no 245 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: signs that petitioner is at risk of reoffending. The record 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: is devoid of evidence of incidents of violence or assault 247 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: during petitioners incarceration when she was the perpetrator. Only the victim. 248 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: A theoretical risk of sexual assault by the prisoner without 249 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: more cannot support the BOP's position. No evidence theoretical have 250 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: you dealt in what universe is someone who is a serial, 251 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: repeat child rapist not at a risk of reoffending? 252 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: Senator? As I do in every case? 253 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: Okay, I know you've been told to repeat the line, 254 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: I follow the law. I asked a question, in what 255 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: universe is someone who is a serial, repeat child rapist 256 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: not at risk of reoffending? 257 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 5: Sir? 258 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: I looked at the facts that were before me in 259 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: this case, all of the evidence, including the statements of 260 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: every warden who had supervised this petition. 261 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: You also wrote, the BOP also posits the permitting petitioner 262 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: to live among women will be traumatizing and possibly dangerous 263 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: to them. This concern is overblown. I have to say, 264 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: if I were the father of one of those women, 265 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: and you decided that my daughter's cellmate was going to 266 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: be a six foot two man who over and over 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: and over again committed violent sexual assault. I would say 268 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: the entire justice system is absurd, and it is clear 269 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: on your record your political ideology matters a heck of 270 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: a lot more than the rights of those women that 271 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: you endangered. I think you're a radical, and I think 272 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: you have no business being a judge. 273 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Senator. 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: I want to take a moment and explain to people 275 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: the strategy when there is a judge that is nominated 276 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: in this scenario. One of the first questions that the 277 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: team that is supposed to be helping here right on 278 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: the Biden side would say, is okay, hey, let's look 279 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: at a record. Are there any liabilities out there? Are 280 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: there any cases that you can't explain? Are there going 281 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: to be things they're gonna embarrass us or hold us up? 282 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: Is that now like completely gone for the nomination process 283 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: if you're on the on the on the left, on 284 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: the Democratic side, where hey, it doesn't matter how radical 285 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: you are, if we like you and we think you're 286 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: one of us, we'll just nominate you no matter what 287 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: you've done in your past. 288 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: So Ben, I'll say, it's worse than that the more 289 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: radical you are, the more of a plus it is. 290 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: They're deliberately looking for people who do things like this. 291 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: The fact that this woman is a left wing radical 292 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: who sees this, this transgender six foot two men who 293 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: claims he's a woman and wants to be in a 294 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: women's prison and says great, puts ideology above the law. 295 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: Puts ideology above the rights of women. By the way, 296 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: today's radical leftist that that there's a hierarchy of whose 297 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: rights matters, and and and to the left, transgender people 298 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: rights matter more than women's rights, and so the women's 299 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: rights just don't matter at all. And you know, it's 300 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: very easy for a privileged life just to say this 301 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: because you know what, this judge, she didn't have a 302 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: cell mate who was a serial rapist. She was just 303 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: subjecting other people to that, and so it made her 304 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: ideology feel very good. 305 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: But qualified her is what you're saying. This is what 306 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: qualities might. 307 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: Seek out people like this. This is who they're looking for. 308 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: And i'll tell you for a district judge, in all likelihood, 309 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: this person was selected by Chuck Schumer. The way it 310 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: works for district judges is the home state senators have 311 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: enormous ways. So to give you a sense, for the 312 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: past twelve years that I've been in the Senate, practically 313 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: every district court nominee from the state of Texas, John 314 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: Cornyn and I have submitted to the White House one 315 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: name for each vacancy. And that's been true under Democrat 316 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: and Republican presidents. As a practical matter, the Senators typically 317 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: pick the district judges. 318 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: So they look at her or she looks at these 319 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: cases and says, hey, I want to move up the ranks. 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: I got to do something that signals to them that 321 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: I'm an activist, I'm an extremist, and that gets me 322 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: to the front of the line. Because if you're normal, 323 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: insane and you would say, of course, I'm not going 324 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: to put a serial rapist in a women's prison who's 325 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: a six foot two dude, then you may get passed 326 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: up by the entire Democratic administration. 327 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: Look, it's one of the striking things under Biden. The 328 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: judicial nominees under Biden have been much, much, much more 329 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: radical than they were under Obama. Listen, I was not 330 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: a fan of Obama's nominees. To put it mildly, they 331 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: were all quite left wing, but Biden has made them 332 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: look positively middle of the road. They are seeking out radicals, 333 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: They're seeking out people who are extreme. We had one another, 334 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: actually New York District Court nominee, who described himself in 335 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: his own words as a quote wild eyed liberal who 336 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: said every morning he wakes up motivated by hatred for conservatives. Well, 337 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: apparently that's how you get selected by Chuck Schumer. He 338 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: got nominated, and I and others made the point, Look, 339 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: there are actually some Republicans, some conservatives in the state 340 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: of New York. If God forbid, you find yourself in 341 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: this judge's court, how are you supposed to believe you 342 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: can get a fair treatment and equal justice under the 343 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: law from a judge who told you he woke up 344 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 3: that morning motivated by his hatred for you. Well it 345 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: didn't matter. The Democrats all voted party line. They got 346 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: behind him. He's now a judge in New York. He 347 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: was confirmed by this Democrat Senate. There was another judge 348 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: nominated in Connecticut, so the Connecticut senators decided they wanted 349 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: this judge. She was a law professor. She signed a 350 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: letter to the Governor of Connecticut arguing during COVID that 351 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 3: he should release every single prisoner from pre trial to 352 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 3: atention with no qualification. So that included murderers, that included rapists, 353 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: that included child molesters, all of them should be released 354 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: from prison because of COVID. 355 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: That's just nuts that. 356 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: There was another judiciale from the Central District of California who, 357 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: again in a law review article, argued that the laws 358 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: restricting where sexual predators can live should be struck down 359 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: and and pedophiles should be able to live next to 360 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: daycare centers and kindergartens. Listen, I urged the Democrats and 361 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: the Judiciary Committee. I said, I get that it's a 362 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: Democrat president. You're Democrats. You're going to confirm most of 363 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: the nominees. You know, when Trump was president, we confirm 364 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: most of the nominees. But you know what we did 365 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: when Trump was president. We rejected several of them because 366 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: the Constitution gives the Senate the responsibility to to to 367 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: advise and consent, and there were some of the nominees 368 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: the Trump White House missed on and even though he 369 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 3: was a Republican, we said, no, this is not going 370 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 3: to do and they withdrew those nominees. 371 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: The Senate, you'ee right, Yes. 372 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: We got much better nominees that that's actually the constitutional 373 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: process that's doing our job. The Democrats are just like 374 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: the polit girl. And on this judge that said that 375 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: you should not restrict where sexual predators live, I said, 376 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: I don't care how blue a state you live in, 377 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: whether New York or Connecticut or New Jersey or WII 378 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: or Vermont, whatever state you're in. I promise you gather 379 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: fifty one hundred year constituents, get them together and ask them, hey, 380 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 3: do you think pedophiles should live next to a kindergarten. 381 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: They're all going to say no. No, normal rational person 382 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: answers yes to that. But in this Biden White House, 383 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: with this Chuck Schumer Democrat Senate, those are the kind 384 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: of radicals they want to be federal judges. 385 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, and it's sad that these 386 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: are the people getting these jobs and then they get 387 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: sit there for years on end, affecting people's lives in 388 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: a major way. And we're going to talk about the 389 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: Trump trial in a minute. It's a perfect example of that. 390 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: Want to talk to you real quick about something we 391 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: started talking about about a year ago. I told you 392 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: about a year ago about chalk. 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We know that the federal 428 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: government seven eight years ago said no to even taking 429 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: this case on. 430 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: They thought it was ridiculous. 431 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: They chose not to move forward with it because they 432 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: didn't think there was anything there. And then you've got 433 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: an activist judge or activist da and Alvin Bragg who says, hey, hey, 434 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: vote for me and I'll go after Trump. And then 435 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: he finds the perfect judge, the perfect place in Manhattan 436 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: where ninety percent of the people vote against Donald Trump. 437 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: Last time, you go to trial and all of a 438 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: sudden we find a crime that's been committed. Now, but 439 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: it wasn't Donald Trump that committed that crime. It's the 440 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: key witness for the government who had to admit in 441 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: court that he took money, stole money from the Trump organization. 442 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: How is this trial not at that point just immediately canceled, saying, hey, 443 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: we're gonna have it, miss trial, it's over. 444 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Well, listen, this has been a partisan circus from day one. 445 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: As you noted, the district attorney is a hard left 446 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 3: wing Democrat partisan. He was elected with money from George Soros. 447 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: He came in with an agenda, an agenda to get 448 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and it didn't matter what the charge was, 449 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: he was going to try to take Trump down. So 450 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 3: that they got particularly creative in this case to create 451 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: a prosecution where there was no crime. Now, we all 452 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: know about the alleged affair with Stormy Daniels and the 453 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: hush money, and that is salacious, but it's not in 454 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 3: fact criminal. So here's their argument, and it's it's a 455 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: bootstrap on top of a bootstrap. They argue, first of all, 456 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: that paying Stormy Daniels to keep quiet and not tell 457 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: her story that constituted a illegal campaign contribution under federal 458 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: campaign finance laws. Now, if that were the case, it's 459 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: not the Manhattan DA that prosecutes violations of federal campaign 460 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: finance laws, it's the federal government. The federal government looked 461 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: at this and concluded, Nope, we're not going to bring 462 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: a case here. So that's a problem. Their predicate crime 463 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 3: they don't have the jurisdiction to prosecute. So they then 464 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: have a different New York statue that makes it a 465 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 3: crime to keep fake fraudulent books. And the problem is 466 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: that that crime is ordinarily a misdemeanor, but in this 467 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 3: case they elevated to being a felony howe by saying, well, 468 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: the fraudulent books are in furtherance of a crime in 469 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 3: this case, the federal crime that the federal government declined 470 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: to bring. And so it is literally a non crime 471 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: on top of a non crime. Because the payment to 472 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: the lawyers that allegedly went out to Stormy Daniels were 473 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: labeled as legal expenses, and that's what they're claiming is 474 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: the crime of covering up the non crime of the 475 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: campaign finance offense. Now their star witness is Michael Cohen. 476 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: This is a lawyer who has lied over and over 477 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: and over again. He lied during the trial. He got 478 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: caught lying during the trial. He's someone who has a 479 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: long history of lying. But even with that long history 480 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: of lying, I really didn't think he would sit on 481 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: the stand and admit himself to being a felon, to 482 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: having stolen from Trump. And I'll tell you what to 483 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: listen to what CNN's legal expert Eli Hannig said on this. 484 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 6: I think the revelation though this morning about the theft 485 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 6: of thirty thousand dollars, which was doubled because they covered 486 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 6: his taxes, so sixty thousand dollars, it came out in 487 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 6: a glancing, unclear way on direct It came out like 488 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 6: a bomb earlier today. I don't know how much they 489 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 6: can do to fix that. It just at a certain point, 490 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 6: it is the fact Michael Cohen did steal this money. 491 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 6: And what makes that really so important, Wolf is it's 492 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: not as if Michael Cohen was just stealing on the side, 493 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 6: that'd be bad enough. The problem is he was stealing 494 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 6: from the exact reimbursement at issue in this case. So 495 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 6: the prosecution's core argument is Donald Trump knew what that 496 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 6: four hundred and twenty five dollars was all about. He 497 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 6: was totally read in on. 498 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: It turns out. 499 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 6: Michael Cohen was stealing from him within that four hundred 500 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 6: twenty thousand. 501 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 7: Does Michael Cohen's acknowledgment admission that he stole tens of 502 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 7: thousands of dollars from the Trump organization potentially opening him 503 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 7: up opened him up to further criminal criminal process. 504 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: It's a great question. 505 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 6: The answer is not anymore because the statutal limitations has 506 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 6: run out. But it's a very fair question to ask 507 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 6: j folks of the jury. They gave him a free pass. 508 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 6: He committed larceny. It's a higher degree of felony than 509 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 6: what Donald Trump is charged with. Yet they gave Michael 510 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 6: Cohen a free pass, even though he's now admitted that 511 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 6: he stole what amounts to sixty thousand dollars. It goes 512 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 6: to his credibility, it goes to his relationship with the DA. 513 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: You look at his quote and it's it's just obviously 514 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: he knows he's got to get out a jail free 515 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: card because it was a simple question. So you stole 516 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: from the Trump organization, question Mark Cohen, Yes, sir. 517 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: It's almost like he's proud of it. 518 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I was stealing from the guy. And 519 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: by the way, this is the one he admits, we 520 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: have no idea what else you may have done that 521 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: we don't know about. 522 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but look, the DA has an objective here, and 523 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: it's not actually to prosecute crimes. It's not actually to 524 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: enforce the law. It's to get Donald Trump. So the 525 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: DA is quite happy with he stole from Donald Trump 526 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: because they're objective. The radical left has decided Donald Trump 527 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: is the devil and they will do anything, anything, anything 528 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 3: possible to get him. And by the way, the media 529 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: is in terror. We at a prior pod covered Anderson 530 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: Cooper freaking out how badly the trial's going. Take a 531 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 3: listen to what Jake Tapper and Laura Coach said about 532 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: about this, this Michael Cohen testimony. 533 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's fascinating stuff. 534 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 8: And I have to say I'm still kind of reeling 535 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 8: from the revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the 536 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 8: Trump organization, and that wasn't, at least to my knowledge, 537 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 8: that the prosecution didn't get that get that out earlier, 538 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 8: because it's not as though the prosecution is going to 539 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 8: be helped by further evidence that Michael Cohen is a 540 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 8: shady carearacter. I mean, let's I'll get to the newest 541 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 8: stuff in a second, but like, I mean, what's just 542 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 8: what's your reaction to that news? 543 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: Because that was just kind of stunning. 544 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 9: I'm shocked that we are hearing it for the first 545 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 9: time on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen, 546 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 9: that the prosecution did not take the sting out, did 547 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 9: not front it, because it goes to the heart of 548 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 9: the actual case. It's not just about establishing him as 549 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 9: a liar. They've done that. The prosecution fronted that. We 550 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 9: knew that he has convictions, but going to the heart 551 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 9: of what you were telling your employer about what money 552 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 9: you were owed and the extent of it. We're talking 553 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 9: about four hundred and twenty thousand dollars. We've already seen 554 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 9: the paper. This is like a fifteen bucks, not afteen bucks, 555 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 9: and we I mean, if you think are the tablet, 556 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 9: you can break down what was already known. We've known 557 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 9: about what the breakdown of the money is. One hundred 558 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 9: and thirty thousand dollars to Daniels and her attorney. You 559 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 9: got fifty thousand dollars. That's Redfinch. 560 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: This is important here. 561 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 9: This was mentioned today that he only gave Redfinch twenty 562 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 9: thousand dollars and handed them. 563 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: In a brown paper bag. 564 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 9: By the way, just thinking about how that is. 565 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: One quick note. 566 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 8: Redfinch is this political organization that apparently, according to Michael Cohen, 567 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 8: helped them goose these bogus internet polls about which candidate 568 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 8: is in the lead, et cetera, et cetera, and also, 569 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 8: according to Lanny Davis, provided adoring fans for Trump's announcement 570 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 8: of his candidacy in June twenty fifteenth. 571 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 9: Sorry, really important point to add. Why this is they 572 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 9: only got twenty thousand of it though the bill was 573 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 9: for fifty thousand dollars, and you have one hundred and 574 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 9: eighty thousand dollars, which is again the double of these 575 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 9: two combinations. And then a bonus for Cohen. Remember all 576 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 9: that we have so far to link Donald Trump to 577 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 9: these payments, in part is the statement that quote unquote 578 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 9: he approved it. 579 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: We also know we have. 580 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 9: Information about where the checks were, how it was signed. 581 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 9: But remember mcconnie, that was one of the comptrollers of 582 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 9: the Trump organization taking notes from Alan Weiselberg about the 583 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 9: money payment. So this is part of what we're talking about. 584 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 9: Why this is so important here is because the heart 585 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 9: of the matter is that Donald Trump was complicit, caused 586 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 9: to have this happen and knew about the money that 587 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 9: was going and why if they can establish Michael Cowen 588 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 9: as somebody who is not to be trusted about the 589 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 9: amount of money as well, then they might be able 590 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 9: to suggest that Donald Trump had no idea what he 591 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 9: was trying. 592 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: So, by the way, I think it's pretty clear Donald 593 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: Trump had no idea what was paying. Otherwise, why would 594 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: you be giving this money to a guy that is 595 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, a bunch of the money's disappearing, 596 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: like blows the case. 597 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: Out of the water. 598 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: The prosecution's argument is Michael Cohen is a liar, but 599 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: he's a thief too. Like that that's kind of a problem. 600 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: But you know what, the corporate media is so corrupt 601 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: they're trying to defend him. Listen to Laurence o'donald from 602 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: MSNBC trying to explain that the fact that that Cohen 603 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: was stealing from Trump, it's really not a problem. 604 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 4: It's okay inside the core room, even there, almost every 605 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 4: day you have the strength of of. 606 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Beyond mortal men. But what was worth it to you today? 607 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: What did you see? 608 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: What did you hear? 609 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 5: Well, you know, the courtroom is where I began as 610 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: a writer and a reporter a long time ago. So 611 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 5: this is a homecoming for me in terms of a workplace. 612 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: The shocking thing at the. 613 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 5: End of that cross examination, and I just can't tell 614 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 5: you how just how stunning it was, because it's the 615 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 5: thing that I was waiting for. I saw everything Todd Blanche. 616 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 5: I've seen every minute of cross examination. I've seen every 617 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 5: single question he's asked. And he sat down and ended 618 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 5: his cross examination without asking a single question about the 619 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars that appears on the 620 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: Alan Weiselberg notes about how they were structuring the payment 621 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 5: to Michael Cohen. He asked about the fifty thousand dollars 622 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 5: that's irrelevant to the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, 623 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 5: and that's where he very effectively got Michael Cohen to 624 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: say to agree that yes, he stole thirty thousand dollars. Later, 625 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 5: when Cohen was asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, 626 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 5: it didn't really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars. It 627 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 5: sounded a lot like Michael Cohen doing the little that 628 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 5: he could within that calculation to rebalance the bonus he 629 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 5: thought he deserves, and it still came out as less 630 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 5: than the bonus he thought he deserved and the bonus 631 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 5: you've gotten the year before. 632 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I love how he's like justifying the stealing 633 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: because he thought he'd. 634 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: Deserved trying to rebalance the bonus. You know, if you 635 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: steal from your employer, you're just trying to rebalance what 636 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: they're paying you because you know you're worth more, so 637 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: steal away. That is MSNBC's defense. 638 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's not a big deal to pay people 639 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: in brown paper bags for work, right, That's also very 640 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: normal apparently in the minds of him an NBC as well, 641 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: So we'll completely overlook that as well. Final question on this, 642 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, You're right not going to take the stand 643 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: that I think is obviously a smart decision. 644 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: As you described it. 645 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: I think it was in the last podcast the one 646 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: before that he's not going to. 647 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: Ye, which is what we predicted on this podcast before 648 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: that decision was made. I said on this podcast the 649 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: chances that Donald Trump will go on the stand or 650 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: zero point zero zero percent. Well that was proven right. 651 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: He's not going on the stand because his lawyers are 652 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: not incompetent in committing malpractice. 653 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: So when you're looking at this now, what do you 654 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: think is going to happen? 655 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: What's your gut? 656 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. I remain worried. Listen on the merits. 657 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: This case is frivolous. And I will point out also 658 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 3: that the judge one of the things he did is 659 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: he blocked the Trump campaign from putting on the witness 660 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: stand the former chairman of the FEC, Brad Smith. Brad 661 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: Smith is a law professor, is one of the most 662 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: well respet did campaign finance experts in the country. Campaign 663 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: finance law is famously complicated, and Bratt Smith was prepared 664 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: to testify that that paying hush money does not constitute 665 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: a campaign expense. If that's correct, the entire case goes 666 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: out the window. And it's interesting. So after the judge 667 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: blocked him from testifying, Smith did an interview did an 668 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: interview with The Washington Examiner where he described what he 669 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 3: would have testified to and Smith said, here's what Smith said. Quote, 670 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 3: judges instruct the juries on the law, and they don't 671 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: want a battle of competing experts saying here's what the 672 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 3: law is. They feel it's their province to make that determination. 673 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: The problem, of course, is that campaign finance law is 674 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 3: extremely complex, and just reading the statute to people isn't 675 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: really going to help them very much. The goal of 676 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: his testimony, Smith said was quote to lay out the 677 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: ways the laws has been interpreted in ways that might 678 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: not be obvious. As an example, Smith cited the phrase 679 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 3: quote for the purpose of influencing an election, which has 680 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 3: been heard during much analysis of the trial. Quote you 681 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 3: read the law and it says that anything intended for 682 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: the purpose of influencing an election is a contribution or 683 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: an expenditure, Smith explained. But that's not, in fact the 684 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: entirety of the law. There is the obscure and separate 685 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: from the definitional part idea personal use, which is a 686 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 3: separate part of the law that says you can't divert 687 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: campaign funds to personal use that has a number of 688 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 3: specific prohibitions, like you can't buy a country club membership, 689 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 3: you can't normally pay yourself a salary or living expenses, 690 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 3: you can't go on vacation, all those kinds of things. 691 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 3: And then it includes a broader general prohibition that says 692 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 3: you can't divert campaign funds to any obligation that would 693 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: exist even if you were not running for office. What's 694 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: the point of that quote? We would have liked to 695 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: flag that exception for the jury and to talk a 696 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 3: little bit about what it means. And also we would 697 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 3: have talked about quote for the purpose of influence in 698 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: an election is not a subjective test like what was 699 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: my intention? It's an objective test. So hiring campaign staff 700 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 3: is for the purpose of influencing an election, Renting space 701 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 3: for your campaign office, buying ads, maybe doing polling, printing 702 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: up bumper stickers, travel to campaign rallies, renting venues for 703 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: campaign rallies. All those things exist only because you're running 704 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 3: for office. But under the personal use rules, a lot 705 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: of things candidates do running for office are not considered 706 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 3: campaign expenditures. Things like paying for a weight loss program 707 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 3: or a gym membership, nicer clothes, teeth whitening, or all 708 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. It may be true that you 709 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 3: do those things in part to help get yourself elected, 710 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 3: and you might not do them otherwise because but they 711 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 3: are not obligations that exist simply because you're running for office. 712 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 3: Lots of people do those things. And what he argued 713 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 3: is that in this instance, I can tell you it 714 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 3: is my personal belief is that clearly paying hush money 715 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 3: or paying for a non disclosure agreement does not constitute 716 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 3: a campaign expense. That's what the former FEC chairman would 717 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 3: have testified to quote. To use an example I've often used, 718 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 3: it's not a campaign expense. If a business person is 719 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: running for office and his businesses are getting sued, and 720 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: he goes to his company's lawyers and say, I wish 721 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 3: to settle these lawsuits against us. We've got some wage 722 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 3: employment lawsuits and a woman is alleging sexual harassment. We've 723 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 3: got thirty six thousand employees. What we've got to make 724 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: these three complaints and the press will make a big 725 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: deal about them, So I want you to settle these. 726 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 3: And the company lawyers say, no, these are great cases, 727 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 3: we should win. We shouldn't settle them. He says, I 728 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 3: don't care. I'm running for office. I don't want press 729 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 3: stories on it. I want them you to settle them quietly. Well, 730 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 3: he cannot use campaign funds to pay that settlement, even 731 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 3: though he's clearly doing it for the purpose of influencing 732 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: his campaign. It's kind of similar to what went on here. 733 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: Smith continued quote. So my personal belief is that this 734 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 3: clearly would not have been a campaign expenditure, never had 735 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: to be reported, and therefore was not misreported. And you 736 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 3: know what the judge said. The jury can't hear a 737 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: word of that because it demonstrates he didn't say this part, 738 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 3: but because it demonstrates that the prosecutor's case is utter, incomplete. 739 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: Garbage, unbelievable bias in this case. And it's another example 740 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: of that. I want to tell you real quick about 741 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: an amazing organization that I want you to know about, 742 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: and it is an organization called it preborn. 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Lastly, 771 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: on this issue center, the war on truth is really, 772 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 2: I think incredible. You can see it. And you mentioned 773 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: this earlier. In the media's coverage of the Trump case, 774 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 2: you had MSNBC. You and I were texting back and 775 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: forth on this because it was it was a headline 776 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: that was so laughable, and the headline was how Michael 777 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 2: Cohen's pass lie make him a more credible witness. And 778 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 2: they weren't the only ones to try to pull this, 779 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, Jedi mind trick on people. The New York 780 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: Times had a headline it says, when Michael Cohen's lies 781 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 2: help the case against Trump? What world are we living 782 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 2: in where this is what the media comes up with afterwards? 783 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 3: A spinnet Well listen. Number one, The media unfortunately regularly lies, 784 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: They engage in lies. They view their role as propagandists. 785 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: It's not they're not interested in the truth. They're not 786 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: interested in reporting both sides. They're not interested in facts. 787 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 3: They frame their mission as saving democracy, which means pushing 788 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 3: this country to the left, and as it concerns Donald Trump, 789 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 3: it means doing everything you can to destroy Trump and 790 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 3: make sure, no matter what, that he's not re elected 791 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 3: president of the United States. The spins are rather pitiful. 792 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: The idea that, well, you know what, Cohen lies so 793 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 3: much that he's really a believable witness, Like that's just weird. 794 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 3: And I got to say, the media lies about Cohen's 795 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: lies making them more credible are so absurd. It just 796 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 3: shows they're really bad liars. 797 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're going to continue to do this to 798 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: push this case. Like you said, there's still reason to 799 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: be very concerned. We're going to keep covering it that 800 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: we promise you don't forget. We do this show Monday, Wednesday, 801 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 2: and Friday. We have a week in review of things 802 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 2: you may have missed during the week on Saturdays as well. 803 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 2: Hit that subscribe or auto download button, and on those 804 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 2: in between days make sure you grab my podcast. 805 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: I'll keep you up to date. 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