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Speaker 3: What News, And in today's episode, I'm communing with the
Speaker 3: z animorphs. Oh baby, as we recap the shocking finale
Speaker 3: of Alien season one.
Speaker 2: They are definitely getting a season two.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been an outs yet, but there's.
Speaker 3: No way you would end like this if you did
Speaker 3: not already season two. Then we will call in the
Speaker 3: scream queens, Common and Joel and they will help us analyze.
Speaker 1: Them like a pair of xenomorph Pokemons to save the day.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say, well, I do have I am
Speaker 3: interested to talk to you guys about the animals because
Speaker 3: I actually did realize this episode that I think there
Speaker 3: is a narrative way for them to explain why.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, yes, we'll see it. We'll see yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's go into it. Alien season where
Speaker 1: finale the real monsters. We open on the beach. Crabs
Speaker 1: are eating Arthur's hollowed out corpse that has now been
Speaker 1: dead for maybe just around twenty four hours. Xenomorph comes
Speaker 1: over to kind of check them out, has a brief
Speaker 1: confrontation with a crab, and then SLINKs back into the
Speaker 1: jungle to hunt. At the cemetery. Dame is outside for
Speaker 1: some reason and decides to put flowers on the children's graves.
Speaker 1: We see the children's real names, and as this is happening,
Speaker 1: the Xenomorph closes in on her, sneaks up on her,
Speaker 1: is about to hit her with the second mouth action,
Speaker 1: but then the search and Rescue team Siberian Rashidi come
Speaker 1: and they chase the alien away and save her life.
Speaker 3: Okay in the facility, yes, please, First issue with this finale.
Speaker 1: Did you think that.
Speaker 3: Joe's real surname was Hermit and that Marsi's name was
Speaker 3: also Hermit?
Speaker 1: I did not. I thought that was like a code name,
Speaker 1: a code name.
Speaker 3: Because he was an interior doctor in the Special Forces.
Speaker 2: You net and what?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: But no, his name is Joe Hermett and her name
Speaker 3: is Marty Hermett. Maybe they have very literal names in
Speaker 3: the future like they do in the past.
Speaker 1: Could be yes, I was. I was surprised by that
Speaker 1: reveal as well. We go inside the facility where Adam
Speaker 1: is giving us and Boy Genius the latest over like zoom.
Speaker 1: Here's what's happening on Prodigy Island. The island is completely
Speaker 1: cut off. The data cable undersetat data table has been cut,
Speaker 1: probably by Utani. They're the satellite connections are completely out.
Speaker 1: The evacuations of non essential personnel are currently underway. This
Speaker 1: table this for later, But it was surprising to me.
Speaker 1: Prodigy does not seem like the kind of company where
Speaker 1: they get the non important people off first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like non important people do you have on
Speaker 3: your top secret.
Speaker 1: Billionaire child Island?
Speaker 3: I feel like any important people the important people on
Speaker 3: the island, guys.
Speaker 1: The hybrids are currently imprisoned in a kind of like
Speaker 1: holding pen that Adam says won't hold them if they signed.
Speaker 1: They really want to get out, and the xenomorphs, both xenomorphs,
Speaker 1: baby Xenomorph and adult genom are just gone. They're running
Speaker 1: for you. The island, baby killing Prodigy patrols Willy Nilly
Speaker 1: cutting into pieces. Patrols are still going on but of
Speaker 1: course they're getting killed all the time by the alias.
Speaker 1: The rest of the creatures, the bugs, the weird plant,
Speaker 1: the eye all secure for now, but of course we're
Speaker 1: running out of staff to kind of do just like gosh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like do we trust them? Like no, well we know
Speaker 1: we shouldn't. And there's a lot to talk about there too,
Speaker 1: but yes, then you have Curs, who's an important resource
Speaker 1: for them. And Adam is like, well, shouldn't you think
Speaker 1: about evacuating as well, Boy Genius, mister Broygenius Keler. Boy
Speaker 1: Genius is listening to this while gazing at the sheep
Speaker 1: and watching replays of like all the synth experiments on
Speaker 1: like ten different screens, and he looks at the eye
Speaker 1: and says, you know, I wish I could hear your voice.
Speaker 1: And the sheep kind of like tips its head towards
Speaker 1: the guard like, yeah, put me in this guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go on. He's like, what about this guy over here?
Speaker 1: And boy Genius is like, you know what, he's too
Speaker 1: physically strong. I want to put you in someone weak,
Speaker 1: physically weak, just not to shoot a gun. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: in case it comes down to like me having a
Speaker 1: scrap with you. We go to the holding pen, where
Speaker 1: Wendy is still bothered about Joe's apparent betrayal. Curly is like,
Speaker 1: don't I shouldn't even be in here first of all,
Speaker 1: because I'm the favorite.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, babe, just like you are not Like
Speaker 3: this is like, really, I'm the favorite.
Speaker 1: I should say it.
Speaker 3: If you keep saying that, it's like you are definitely
Speaker 3: not the favorite, you know what I mean? Like, come on,
Speaker 3: NIBBs is like, maybe you're in here because you snitched
Speaker 3: on us, Like how do they find out him at us?
Speaker 3: Like Nick now coming up as one of my fabes.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. Nibs is actured. I'm a supporter
Speaker 3: of the attitude at this point.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like my dog Donna. When Donna either
Speaker 1: eats a bug or comes very close to catching a
Speaker 1: lizard or something, she NIBBs has killed a guy Torre's
Speaker 1: draw off, and now I think she's got that, like
Speaker 1: she's tasted blood, and she's always like she caught the squirrel.
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, you know what, I'm down for a
Speaker 1: fight with anybody.
Speaker 3: This is my personality now is I'm just good at fighting,
Speaker 3: and I support it.
Speaker 1: So the rest of the Sins are very upset at
Speaker 1: this idea that Curly may have snitched. And then Wendy
Speaker 1: chimes in, is like, you know what, they were dead,
Speaker 1: like they killed us all. You think you're alive, you
Speaker 1: think this is the best life you've ever lived. Your
Speaker 1: body is in a graveyard that we found. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Isaac is dead in his android body and
Speaker 1: his synth body. We thought that this would be some
Speaker 1: kind of forever after life. No, they just let him
Speaker 1: get melted and eaten by bugs, and he's dead. Smee
Speaker 1: and Slightly are upset about, you know, the death of Isaac,
Speaker 1: who's now died twice. Wendy points out that in the
Speaker 1: book I Eat Peter Pan ever heard of it? You
Speaker 1: might have? You might have had. Leny points out that
Speaker 1: in the book, actually I'm the favorite, and guess what
Speaker 1: happened to me? That's right, I get. I have to
Speaker 1: leave it because Peter gets mad at me. And by
Speaker 1: the way, then yeah, and by the way, we're all
Speaker 1: it currently in this holding pen right now. Because we're
Speaker 1: not kids, we're not humans. They won't let us be adults.
Speaker 1: We don't know what we are. The Nibs is like,
Speaker 1: we're like ghosts. That gives Wendy the idea that maybe
Speaker 1: we should go on the offensive. Boy Genius is watching
Speaker 1: them discuss all of this on his feed from his office.
Speaker 1: He realizes because he sees her lips moving a little bit,
Speaker 1: that Wendy is calling the alien. Then all his video
Speaker 1: feeds cut is very concerning curshes like down in the lab,
Speaker 1: and Cursh is like, I think we're fine, like gat
Speaker 1: Actually he's looking good cyborgs control. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're seeing, and obviously everything pretty good. And then he
Speaker 1: tells boy Genius, why don't you be smart and not mad?
Speaker 1: And boy Genius is like, why don't you grow some
Speaker 1: fucking balls, some fucking webbo sala verga, you fucking los her,
Speaker 1: And Kursh then says, listen, with your severe case of ADHD,
Speaker 1: you need to just kind of calm yourself, turn off
Speaker 1: the screens, calm yourself, and like listen to a reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just like chill out. Wendy then starts messing around
Speaker 1: with the video and audio connections. You know the way
Speaker 1: she does. She can control the the security system without
Speaker 1: even touching getting close to the screen. Now she's inside
Speaker 1: the pen and controlling it controlling a screen that is
Speaker 1: hacked into the system from across the room, and she
Speaker 1: causes his last video and audio connections to drop. Boy
Speaker 1: Genius then tells the guard go get Adam to restart
Speaker 1: the comps and confine me, and then says basically to
Speaker 1: the sheep like, I'm gonna feed you some I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna feed you this guy. I'm gonna feed you someone weak, Okay.
Speaker 1: And at this point I'm thinking maybe Adam. I know
Speaker 1: I was thinking that too. I will say atim, yes,
Speaker 1: But then we decide we kind of learned that Adam
Speaker 1: is a synth.
Speaker 3: No, this is a big I think a massive reveal
Speaker 3: is the implication that Atom maybe the first synth that
Speaker 3: Boy Genius have a built himself.
Speaker 1: This is all a mess, and let's and we'll unpack
Speaker 1: this when the group comes in, because I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot there. While this is a very interesting reveal,
Speaker 1: there's also like a lot of evidence that Adam is
Speaker 1: worried about himself in a way that a synth would
Speaker 1: not be, that a human would be. So it's very
Speaker 1: weird to me. Anyway, The search and rescue team returns
Speaker 1: with Dame. They are getting people together to evacuate the
Speaker 1: them off the island. Of course, Bory Genius is top
Speaker 1: of that listing.
Speaker 3: Hilarious, because uh, does that mean he's not important then,
Speaker 3: because I thought it was not important people first.
Speaker 1: So Wendy knows that they've picked him up and they've
Speaker 1: locked her back in her office, so she starts sending
Speaker 1: video clips to her office to play experience.
Speaker 3: Good wish that this show had committed to this idea
Speaker 3: of the kids almost being like ghosts in the system
Speaker 3: earlier on, because actually, like the way that Wendy is
Speaker 3: able to kind of haunt to Dame with these videos
Speaker 3: and these moments of vulnerability from the kids is like
Speaker 3: one of the better creepy things that they've introduced in
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: So she's sending Dame, you know, the original kind of
Speaker 1: like interview videos of the kids when they were kids,
Speaker 1: when they were still humans alive, and Dame can't turn
Speaker 1: off the videos and she crashes out in a different
Speaker 1: holding pen. Joe wakes up Morrow. They put a canister
Speaker 1: thing over more cyborg hands so he can't use the blade.
Speaker 1: He tells Joe, Listen, I'm not interested in the past.
Speaker 1: I want to figure out how we get passed, like,
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. I don't care about anything
Speaker 1: that happened yesterday, today, an hour ago. I'm moving on
Speaker 1: because I'm a survivor. And then he's like, what do
Speaker 1: you how's your lung feels crazy? Right to have to
Speaker 1: be more than a human, to be more than yourself.
Speaker 1: But isn't there always a price when a corporation gives
Speaker 1: you something? For us? That price is gonna be going
Speaker 1: to break ay for a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 2: Where we were at back after this, and we're back
Speaker 2: with new lungs, with.
Speaker 1: New lungs, I need them. So Search and Rescue continues
Speaker 1: to creep around the facility. They're bickering about what they're
Speaker 1: even doing here, about the tactics station use uh you know.
Speaker 1: Rishi is like, let's go get more guns from the armory.
Speaker 1: But then an elevator arrives without them calling it, and
Speaker 1: they don't even question it. They do question it a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't know what arrows are, Like, did
Speaker 2: you call it?
Speaker 1: I'm like. They get on and the elevator goes a
Speaker 1: couple of floors and then goes into self instruct mode.
Speaker 1: Of course, Wendy is doing all of this is the
Speaker 1: other since to look on Smee then asks Wendy if
Speaker 1: she's mad at her brother, and she's like, yeah, because
Speaker 1: he chose the humans over me. And since means like, well,
Speaker 1: let that go, Like he doesn't know any better. He's
Speaker 1: one of us, you know, he'll help us. Don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't be like that, just let it go. And then
Speaker 1: Wendy remembers a letter she wrote Joe when she was
Speaker 1: still alive, and this kind of like cements it, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going.
Speaker 3: To kill job.
Speaker 1: Wendy opened.
Speaker 3: I mean she was thinking about it. I definitely think
Speaker 3: so too. I think she was sick of his shit
Speaker 3: it he's annoying.
Speaker 1: Or at least leaving him to his fate. Certly, she
Speaker 1: has no qualms about like causing the deaths of his
Speaker 1: search and rescue buddies, who Joe was very close with
Speaker 1: up until it's probably still very close with honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wendy opens Morrow in Joe's pen, which they notice. Morrow
Speaker 1: takes out the guard and then tells Joe go save
Speaker 1: the kids because I'm going to burn this whole fucking
Speaker 1: place down.
Speaker 2: To the ground.
Speaker 1: Kursh is in the lab building, something building like little
Speaker 1: some kind of doing soldiering work on some electronic stuff.
Speaker 3: The door behind it own agenda, like he doesn't have
Speaker 3: anything going on anyone else on the stats with like
Speaker 3: he's just vibe.
Speaker 1: One of my big, big, big, big big issues with
Speaker 1: this episode is we never figure out what's happening with Kersh.
Speaker 1: They never tell us anyway, what's he on? What's the
Speaker 1: up to the door opens, someone's coming in. It's Morrow.
Speaker 1: They talk about, Well, they don't really they immediately get
Speaker 1: to it and start fighting and.
Speaker 3: They argue about like humans always it's basically like who
Speaker 3: is the who is the best model of of life?
Speaker 1: Like is it humans?
Speaker 4: Or it is?
Speaker 3: Because I'm also like Morrow, you're not just human, babe,
Speaker 3: but but most you say, you are like the highlight
Speaker 3: of this human serious acting.
Speaker 1: It's his human command and control, like he's got the
Speaker 1: human brain and it's really just like the limbs. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he does a crazy like.
Speaker 3: W W E backbreaker on across the across the lab
Speaker 3: table breaks Kirsch's back because she's like screaming out the
Speaker 3: white scynth milk blood, and that's how you know it's
Speaker 3: bad for a symthm the white milk blood.
Speaker 1: The white milk blood comes out, and Cush is about
Speaker 1: to get God is about to finish him off when
Speaker 1: the xenomorph young xenomorph baby Zeno worph comes out of
Speaker 1: its containment and distracts everybody, which gives Kersh the opportunity
Speaker 1: to like choke out Morrow and he passes out. When
Speaker 1: he calls the alien and it comes into the facility,
Speaker 1: big for reasons I don't understand that at all, comes
Speaker 1: to see the kids why in their holding pen why
Speaker 1: with one guard why, and opens the door to he
Speaker 1: doesn't open the door. Wey, yeah, But then he's like
Speaker 1: comes in and he's like, yeah, I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 1: you why this is.
Speaker 3: He's definitely not a genius, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: He then talks about his upbringing. He's like, I was
Speaker 1: a boy genius born to an alcoholic father at six
Speaker 1: years old. I was already had an adult genius's intellect.
Speaker 1: But nobody's gonna trust me to build a company, multi
Speaker 1: trillion dollar company on my own. So I killed my father,
Speaker 1: replaced him with a synth, and then used him as
Speaker 1: the figurehead to start the company. He then tries to
Speaker 1: explain that since you guys. You kids are just you're
Speaker 1: just like the floor models that we're gonna use to
Speaker 1: sell the product. Like, and you're fucking my ship up.
Speaker 1: You're fucking my ship up. Now just stop it. NIBBs
Speaker 1: then is like, I already killed it. I'll kill another
Speaker 1: guy right now. Yeah. So he's like, you think, guy
Speaker 1: fucking catches? I'm this guy did that crushes his face
Speaker 1: right in front of Boy Genius. Wendy is then like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You should run? Why are you
Speaker 1: like gonna stand here?
Speaker 2: We're gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: So Boy Genius runs away, and Wendy's like, let's play
Speaker 1: hide and seek. Smee and slightly go find cursing the
Speaker 1: cyborg curly, find the soldiers. I will find Boy Genius,
Speaker 1: and nobody killed Joe my brother. Everybody's like, great, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. Sure Adam finds Joe in the
Speaker 1: facility and he's like, listen, I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on right now, but uh, Boig just wants to
Speaker 1: see you, and I think you're gonna love what he
Speaker 1: has to say.
Speaker 3: I got a real Toney, got something good. Toney got
Speaker 3: a good offer for you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it seems like the whole place is
Speaker 1: falling apart, but like we want we're still doing deals,
Speaker 1: like there's still that level of eight deals. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Wendy is there, so you're gonna get to
Speaker 1: see her too. Meanwhile, like around the facility, everything is
Speaker 1: going to ship, like the alien's killing guys, nibs find Stame.
Speaker 1: It's just going bad, bad, bad bad bad.
Speaker 2: Nip such a good creepy smile when she finds Dame.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, it's like very very like
Speaker 3: yeah that shiit like Emily Rose, slash you, very creepy stuff.
Speaker 1: Cursh can't use his legs anymore, right, and Morrow is
Speaker 1: still unconscious, mean and slightly fine Kersh and Kersh is like, hey,
Speaker 1: grab this cable here and tie up Morrow before he
Speaker 1: wakes up. They're like, no, we're tiring you up. Yah,
Speaker 1: it's our time now. And Morrow wakes up and then
Speaker 1: it's just so slightly that listen, I didn't hurt your mom,
Speaker 1: by the way, she's fine slightly then bash him over
Speaker 1: the head with like a flower Potters.
Speaker 2: It's the thing that they put.
Speaker 1: They look like it is made of duct tape.
Speaker 2: Honestly, he's not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Adam is saying to Joe, like, listen, you're gonna this
Speaker 1: is gonna be great. It's great for you. Just right here,
Speaker 1: here's the office. Go outside. Joe goes inside. There's no
Speaker 1: one in there, and the sheep pen is open, and
Speaker 1: then I is there in the sheep and the eye
Speaker 1: pops out of the sheep and is like, I'm coming
Speaker 1: for you. Joe crawls into the container very smart. But
Speaker 1: then the eye finds a way in through the little
Speaker 1: hay hamper, and so Joe goes out, and then by
Speaker 1: the he's a he's fighting now, struggling with the eyes.
Speaker 1: It tries to crawl into his head. Wendy comes and
Speaker 1: saves the day, but then Adam is about to stop
Speaker 1: them before they can kill the eye, and he is
Speaker 1: truly a sense we see this now because he easily
Speaker 1: throws Wendy like across the.
Speaker 3: Way, which I feel like incredibly powerful, seeing as the
Speaker 3: hybrids are supposed to be the most powerful. So maybe
Speaker 3: this is like a maybe you know, he took very
Speaker 3: uneven power. I was gonna say, well, we can talk
Speaker 3: about that when the screen Queen's coming, because I've got
Speaker 3: some questions.
Speaker 1: He's monologuing and stuff in villain style, and then Wendy
Speaker 1: is like Wendy by the way, listen, I just came
Speaker 1: off of the weekend watching Premier League football, including Arsenal's
Speaker 1: dramatic one to one draw with Manchester City, so I
Speaker 1: have to shout out Wendy's incredible kick of the Eye
Speaker 1: off the volley the Eye across the room and then
Speaker 1: uses powers which she discovers right this very moment to
Speaker 1: freeze Adam.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I will say something I did like that
Speaker 3: I thought was one of the bits of this finale
Speaker 3: that kind of lived up to some of what we
Speaker 3: did want to know.
Speaker 2: I did love seeing how.
Speaker 3: The Eye would fight like a human being, Like, it
Speaker 3: was so interesting to see it kind of gripping onto
Speaker 3: Joe's face, trying to find these places that it could
Speaker 3: stick to.
Speaker 2: We've only seen it kind of.
Speaker 3: You know, fight the either a very ill or dead
Speaker 3: person or a sheep.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I thought they did a good job of making that
Speaker 3: kind of energetic. But yeah, I mean there's a lot
Speaker 3: of bozo behavior going on in this episode.
Speaker 1: Bozos. So Whendy gets Joe up just as Joe sees
Speaker 1: the eyeball like slithered down a little drain pipe.
Speaker 3: I know, I want to watch like I would watch
Speaker 3: like a whole if they did like an episode.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like where is our cleaner, like our
Speaker 3: walk cleaner?
Speaker 1: Now he's gone. He was he.
Speaker 3: Was important, and like I love that the eye is
Speaker 3: like it has such a character, like when it was
Speaker 3: just like Ellen, I'm just gonna slide.
Speaker 1: Down the stream bike. Joe then argue briefly argues with
Speaker 1: Wendy about the aliens and she's like, listen, I like
Speaker 1: them because they're honest, and she and He's like, but
Speaker 1: there were food to them. We are just like a
Speaker 1: warm husk for them to fertilize their embryos inside of.
Speaker 1: And Wendy's like, yeah, you are, just like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what our relationship is. It's I'm hoping it's like
Speaker 1: again something like Pokemon but in the Durastic Wild franchise
Speaker 1: something like that. But we I need to figure that out,
Speaker 1: and I need to figure out a lot about who
Speaker 1: I am and all that stuff. But like you're the food,
Speaker 1: so that's your problem. Basically, she says, boy genius with
Speaker 1: a ballistic vest on. He puts on a bulletproofvestive if
Speaker 1: that's going to protect him from the aliens and all
Speaker 1: the other ships and give me He puts on the
Speaker 1: bullet provest Radio's is guards like, I'm heading to the chopper.
Speaker 3: Come meet me into the chopper, meaning I'll give you
Speaker 3: a million dollars if million dollars is not even worth
Speaker 3: any money, and then I'll get by a little bit more, mate.
Speaker 1: First guy to get me out of here gets a million. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the alien is of course hunting him. Joe and Wendy
Speaker 1: arrive on the scene just in time to see Boy
Speaker 1: Genius like scared stiff by the Xenomorph. She then orders
Speaker 1: his guards show up, and she orders, like a pokemon,
Speaker 1: the Xenomorph to kill the guards and it does it.
Speaker 1: And then Boy Genius is like, oh my god, thank god,
Speaker 1: you guys got the million. Thank you, because he thinks
Speaker 1: Wendy and Joe are there to stop him. But then
Speaker 1: Joe is like, no, it kicks him right in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not happening for you, my guy.
Speaker 1: The search and rescue team find the lab with all
Speaker 1: the bugs in it, and it's bad. The plant is
Speaker 1: flying around now like.
Speaker 2: It's like a giant.
Speaker 3: It's I was gonna say, it's like it's it's like
Speaker 3: a flying man toray combined with like a starfish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like it folds up and then becomes this
Speaker 1: bulbous kind of plant creature starfish. And anyway, these guys,
Speaker 1: why are they still down here? I I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: I respect their dedication to first responding me to balls.
Speaker 3: At the same time, like, why do these guys even
Speaker 3: want to work for Prodigy?
Speaker 2: Like they suck? Like everything's gone to ship on this island.
Speaker 3: You could have just been stealing proprietary secrets, leaving, spraying
Speaker 3: the wall, doing some decontamination.
Speaker 1: As we said, the spring guy is why don't get
Speaker 1: the spring guy out of here? This spra Why is
Speaker 1: the spring guy is still working? He's That's the biggest question.
Speaker 1: Get no holy on this podcast. What was that man doing?
Speaker 1: You know that I works. You know that guy works
Speaker 1: by the hour and floor because getting over time. This
Speaker 1: is life.
Speaker 2: My fucking leaf blowing?
Speaker 3: Who's outside my house? Every I'm like, my guy, you
Speaker 3: could just come.
Speaker 1: The leaf blower is old.
Speaker 3: I know it is not tracked by any kind of employer.
Speaker 3: Don't have to turn it on. Just hang out outside,
Speaker 3: there's no leaves to blow, but he wants that seven
Speaker 3: am leaf blow and pay so I get it.
Speaker 1: So they get just eaten up by the plant creature
Speaker 1: because Siberian. Siberian is like gonna opens one of the bumppens.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: Don't do that?
Speaker 3: Very stupid and also as well, like interesting here that
Speaker 3: this was the last creature we hadn't really seen because
Speaker 3: this is the bulbous plant creature and it seems to
Speaker 3: just kind of like suck her into it and then
Speaker 3: it's just like.
Speaker 1: It's just slobbering and blood's coming down and it's kind
Speaker 1: of swimming on.
Speaker 3: Sure, the other all the other aliens we saw, we
Speaker 3: got to understand a bit more about, like their physiology.
Speaker 1: And the way that they procreate and stuff.
Speaker 3: This one, I feel like it was just a bit
Speaker 3: of a weird, gory trap, but you know what.
Speaker 1: It's still was a cool moment. Yeah, so Curly comes
Speaker 1: in and knocks out Rashidi, so just.
Speaker 3: With a fucking I also just need to say, like again,
Speaker 3: we will talk about this with the girls, but the
Speaker 3: the the inconsistent nature of the power of a sin,
Speaker 3: because I feel like the control that Jane slash Curly
Speaker 3: must have over her powers to not just take that
Speaker 3: man's head off with a full like compressed air cam.
Speaker 1: Wilton, we'll talk about this out on the beach. The
Speaker 1: I finds Arthur's riding corpse and apparently that's enough okay,
Speaker 1: and crawls without a heart. He's gotten there.
Speaker 3: She literally has no chest. The organ is gone. He's
Speaker 3: already had his x anymov pop out of him.
Speaker 1: Guys, I mean, this is incredible, the power of this creature.
Speaker 1: And you know, crawls into are the corpse and then
Speaker 1: walks away. You Tany and her troops are in the
Speaker 1: midst of launching the full scale invasion. You see the
Speaker 1: chips coming in. Wendy has crossed loss one more time.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Wendy has cursh and Boy Genius and Dame in the
Speaker 1: holding pen that they were once in. Now I'll tie
Speaker 1: up along with Adam and Morrow. Dame is like pleading
Speaker 1: with Wendy, like, you know, come on, She's like, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck up, you just chut a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of kid motherfucker and she's right about bees.
Speaker 1: She's right. Wendy then monologues and she roast Boy Genius
Speaker 1: for being a mean angry little man.
Speaker 3: And I like this, I will say, she says, she
Speaker 3: says to him, and I thought this is maybe the
Speaker 3: through line that the show was trying to get to,
Speaker 3: that it didn't necessarily like put across. But she says, well,
Speaker 3: you had never actually a kid like your adult brain,
Speaker 3: the genius that gave it to you, never had to
Speaker 3: approach life like a kid. You were actually able to
Speaker 3: kill your parent figure replace him, be in charge.
Speaker 2: You've always just been like an angry little man.
Speaker 3: Though I will say he was six and had a
Speaker 3: dad who beat him, So I do respect that he
Speaker 3: created a scent to kill his dad.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: Other than that, not a supporter of of this man.
Speaker 2: Also, he is insane.
Speaker 3: Boy genius is like, oh yeah, bully insane, Like he
Speaker 3: is like he doesn't know whether he's like bricked up,
Speaker 3: because when he's like on a mission, he doesn't know
Speaker 3: whether he's upset or scared.
Speaker 1: He's just like smiling. Also, they did go a little
Speaker 1: bit over the top.
Speaker 2: He is essentially tied in like a christ position in there.
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, guys, a little on the nose. Also,
Speaker 1: like why don't even bother time, like he's the weakest
Speaker 1: guy in there.
Speaker 2: All of them are irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Now, like, yeah about it anyway, she's monologuing. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're powerless now, and you don't like the feeling? How
Speaker 1: does it feel?
Speaker 3: Ha?
Speaker 1: Ha ha. Slightly and Curly come in and they're like,
Speaker 1: the plant got away and the I got away. Oh.
Speaker 1: And then Curly is like, so what do we do now?
Speaker 1: And then you get this pull out of the camera
Speaker 1: pulls out of the pen and you see the two
Speaker 1: loyal Pokemon xenomorphs, the baby and the adults hanging on
Speaker 1: the side awaiting their next orders from Wendy as she
Speaker 1: looks at her gathered sense and says, now we rule,
Speaker 1: and then cut to the music. Okay, season two, I
Speaker 1: guess we're doing season two. All right, let's go to
Speaker 1: ad break two and now when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have the scream queens. Carmen and Joel come in
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about this frankly not landed episode.
Speaker 2: Insane episode of television that feels like there are still
Speaker 2: two episodes left.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll we'll be right back after this and
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay, Carbon and Joel welcome, How are you
Speaker 1: so here. Let me first just I'll give you know.
Speaker 1: Let's here's what I think, not landed, kind of a mess,
Speaker 1: no ending, a lot of stuff that we're like, that's
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And I think my biggest headline is
Speaker 1: what's up with kersh Why don't we ever find it?
Speaker 1: And also the aliens truly.
Speaker 2: Are pets right now, they are.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the season. I definitely think I think it
Speaker 1: got worse as it went on. Agreed, Joel, Let's start
Speaker 1: with you your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Let's start with the good. The IPIS continues to be
Speaker 5: our our king. The fact that it animated a dead
Speaker 5: body in front of my eyes and then they gave
Speaker 5: me nothing else to work with.
Speaker 1: I was like, you bitches, bring him back like I need.
Speaker 3: I know, I love I loved that the iapis Like
Speaker 3: I think this is one of those classic situations like
Speaker 3: it was with you know, Doug in the monster verse,
Speaker 3: the Godzilla cong Monster verse, or it was with you know.
Speaker 1: Baby Grogu.
Speaker 3: You never know, like when a character is gonna become
Speaker 3: the mascot of your show. True true, And in this
Speaker 3: you can tell from the way that they talk about
Speaker 3: the iapis on the official podcast that they did not
Speaker 3: necessarily think this was gonna be some character everyone's like
Speaker 3: rooting for. But it's so sassly animated, Like when it
Speaker 3: slides down the drain, I was like, yeah, go get it,
Speaker 3: Like yeah.
Speaker 1: It was so good in Our Sheep Dolly, Like it's
Speaker 1: so funny. It seems to be one.
Speaker 5: Of the most powerful and the most intelligent. It like
Speaker 5: it's actively kind of rounding everybody up, like it's got
Speaker 5: so much personality, and then when it chooses a different body,
Speaker 5: it can gain a different type of like personality mask.
Speaker 1: For a bit like cute evil sheep amazing.
Speaker 5: I just think it's great, and I really hope they
Speaker 5: focus on our iOpus in the next season. To wrap
Speaker 5: up this very long thoughts section. I just I'm so
Speaker 5: confused how these decisions were made, particularly you know, things.
Speaker 1: Like you pinged against Peter Pan really early. Jason.
Speaker 5: You were like, I don't know, it's really heavy handed
Speaker 5: it And I was so sure that, like this is
Speaker 5: gonna iron itself out by the.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool things you could pull from.
Speaker 5: Peter Pan, and instead they were just blatantly like you're
Speaker 5: not Peter Pan and then had an incredibly confusing statement
Speaker 5: of like you were never a child, he is.
Speaker 1: A clone? Or what's going on?
Speaker 3: She just means like you didn't intelligence, he never really understand.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 5: But the contextually, when you're you're building out this narrative
Speaker 5: like that should have things for people to like that
Speaker 5: might be like, what does she mean by that?
Speaker 1: It's weird?
Speaker 5: And then two, I think you know what was most
Speaker 5: disheartening for me is the final line, what are we
Speaker 5: gonna do now? Rule?
Speaker 1: Why do these kids want to rule?
Speaker 4: Rule over?
Speaker 1: I haven't say I shut them off.
Speaker 3: We get it.
Speaker 1: No, I we're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop.
Speaker 3: Guys, I love them too, but they're not gonna stop
Speaker 3: this stop.
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't think the.
Speaker 3: Issue of them ruling wanting to rule narratively is the
Speaker 3: issue for me, because I do think like kids, they've
Speaker 3: been busted around, they've been now they want to be
Speaker 3: in charge, right, Okay. The issue is I want to say, like,
Speaker 3: what does that mean for the fucking alien cannon guy?
Speaker 1: We'll get you, hold on, we'll get there. Let's carm
Speaker 1: and your thoughts, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4: I have to say, like I was probably like in
Speaker 4: the beginning of this season, I was out of everyone
Speaker 4: on the team, I was probably the most on board.
Speaker 4: I was probably the most like willing to just set
Speaker 4: aside all of the issues with the series. But with
Speaker 4: this finale, I was pretty disappointed with the finale. It
Speaker 4: did do some things for me that I enjoyed, So
Speaker 4: just to focus on the things that I did like
Speaker 4: about the episode. I did enjoy the whole like haunted
Speaker 4: house vibe.
Speaker 1: That was so.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a fun, kind of like way
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ghost in the Machine was Yes, it was.
Speaker 4: Quite literally like a ghost in the machine type of
Speaker 4: plot and enjoyed that. I also enjoyed the fight between
Speaker 4: Marrow and Kersh throughout the Yeah, throughout the series, they
Speaker 4: were probably the most interesting part of the show for me.
Speaker 4: Is Kirsh and Marrow and what are their motivations? And
Speaker 4: then of course I'm glad that we finally finally got
Speaker 4: to see what that plant thing was doing. I hate
Speaker 4: that they killed our badass with the red dreads, but
Speaker 4: you know, we got to see that cool like octopus
Speaker 4: thing in action, and I enjoyed that. Aside from that,
Speaker 4: I was disappointed about pretty much everything else the episode.
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay, Jason, let me ask you, and
Speaker 3: then we'll go.
Speaker 2: To the girls as well.
Speaker 3: What were the three biggest things that you didn't get
Speaker 3: from this episode?
Speaker 1: Like what were your three.
Speaker 3: Hanging kind of questions or round like things that you
Speaker 3: just were expecting to thematically play out that didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's no real ending to the episode,
Speaker 1: enclosure and anything. We're still in the same place that
Speaker 1: we were two or three episodes ago, with the running
Speaker 1: around with the invasion, the Italian invasion ongoing, not knowing
Speaker 1: what Kush was changed are episode. That's quite wise, and
Speaker 1: so so everything is kind of the same over the
Speaker 1: course of the last back almost the back third of
Speaker 1: the season. So that's I think upsetting again. I think
Speaker 1: Kirsh not understanding what Kurs was in many ways the
Speaker 1: most intriguing part, Like I was, I was thrilled when
Speaker 1: in that moment in the chopper where they're coming back
Speaker 1: and Kursh is watching like stuff go sideways in the
Speaker 1: lab and he and boys like are you good? Like
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he's like, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was I'm like, oh man, this is interesting. And
Speaker 1: for that to go nowhere and to Basically they're just like,
Speaker 1: forget it, we may never go very confusing to me,
Speaker 1: I am sorry, but boy genius needed to die. Fashion
Speaker 1: getting getting kicked in the face is not enough, Like
Speaker 1: they needed to kill him now at least nibs at
Speaker 1: least let nibs like kick him in the face so
Speaker 1: he gets broke. And I think this is season two
Speaker 1: itis where they're like, and he is such a great villain,
Speaker 1: was such a wonderful villain, but the villain exists to
Speaker 1: get defeated and I and to not defeat the villain
Speaker 1: and let him hang on. I think is worse for
Speaker 1: season two, although I think I have some ideas about
Speaker 1: where it could be heading. But I think you could
Speaker 1: still have killed him and get there, and then you
Speaker 1: know those are that and then I think career, and
Speaker 1: then I think, like the controllability of the aliens to me,
Speaker 1: is against everything that we've ever seen or known from
Speaker 1: an alien story. Like on some level they are uncontrollable. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can point them in a direction and sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: kill the thing that you're hoping it kills, but they're
Speaker 1: not like a guided missile, which they are here like
Speaker 1: they're just hanging out awaiting Wendy's next orders. That is
Speaker 1: ten zeed away from like a couple of humans that
Speaker 1: they could kill and they don't do it, and so
Speaker 1: that I think those are not a big issue.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say added to that, I think that
Speaker 3: the only thing that I will say about the aliens
Speaker 3: that I thought was kind of interesting. But again, this
Speaker 3: is my read, not something they can inically put in
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: They look very like dry brown.
Speaker 1: I wonder probably I'm interested to know to be dripping.
Speaker 5: Budgets.
Speaker 1: Probably, I wonder.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that could be explained away as like
Speaker 3: a different.
Speaker 1: Yeah no love comment. What were you? What were your three.
Speaker 3: Things that you were like really shocked didn't get kind
Speaker 3: of explored or answered or even just like meant.
Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of them were like some
Speaker 4: of the obvious ones that I, you know, I've been
Speaker 4: talking about throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I really thought that mold scrubber was going to be
Speaker 4: a lot more important than that it turned out to be.
Speaker 4: I was like, there's something going on with that mold scrubber.
Speaker 4: I also felt like, yeah, once again I wanted to
Speaker 4: see Boy Cavalier. That was a big thing for me.
Speaker 4: Boy Cavalier should have died, he should have been consumed
Speaker 4: by the eye something, you know. And the other big
Speaker 4: thing I think I was disappointed with is also just
Speaker 4: how kind of again, nothing really happened at the end.
Speaker 4: We just have to wait until season two. And so
Speaker 4: something I said in the group chat, which i'll say
Speaker 4: here also is that this to me feels like a show.
Speaker 4: And I obviously have no idea how season two is
Speaker 4: going to turn out. It could turn out to be
Speaker 4: total shit, but this is to me a show that
Speaker 4: people will watch and be like, just get through season
Speaker 4: one and then and then in season two, you know,
Speaker 4: it gets better, hopefully.
Speaker 1: One of those shows.
Speaker 3: Well how about you, what were your big like, what
Speaker 3: on earth are you doing here?
Speaker 1: Guy? Moment?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna go expan back and talk about like
Speaker 5: the season as a whole.
Speaker 1: Yes, when this show started, I.
Speaker 5: Really thought this was going to be Prestige TV space.
Speaker 5: It isn't, which is a little disappointing, And it doesn't
Speaker 5: mean it can't maybe hit that space in season two.
Speaker 5: But when I think about Prestige TV with like cast
Speaker 5: this large, particular, when we're looking at factions of people
Speaker 5: who are trying to understand one another. You absolutely have
Speaker 5: to spend time both like cloistered within the factions and
Speaker 5: then crossing over the factions, and we don't have nearly
Speaker 5: enough of that. I don't understand what the like social
Speaker 5: structure is, you know what I mean, like mirubbers below right,
Speaker 5: which is a really important element to the Alien franchise.
Speaker 5: I mean, the first film is essentially based upon that
Speaker 5: ethos of like class within a workspace, and so to
Speaker 5: not really get like the culture of the island as
Speaker 5: it exists, it's frustrating. And you can add to that
Speaker 5: the fact that they're like we've evacuated all non essential personnel.
Speaker 1: The island feels the exact same amount of population.
Speaker 5: The first Yes, I think two, there is not enough
Speaker 5: of an arc change or situational change for our heroes
Speaker 5: or our villains, which's really a problem. Like Wendy goes
Speaker 5: on what is a really cool journey I think of, like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm not a human, I'm also no longer a child,
Speaker 5: Like what is my identity now? And I'm the first
Speaker 5: of my kind, Like there's so much to explore under
Speaker 5: that umbrella, and you don't get a lot of interpersonal
Speaker 5: time with her and I think that's really frustrating, and
Speaker 5: simultaneously you don't get enough with either of your villains. Finally,
Speaker 5: the corporate structure outside of the island. I think Etani
Speaker 5: is such an interesting game player. I've been saying it
Speaker 5: from day one. Utanius who was really interested in I
Speaker 5: think you've crafted a really specific, very interesting character, and
Speaker 5: to not give us both Etani of it and the
Speaker 5: true boy genius of it. If you're gonna call a
Speaker 5: character boy genius, I need to see him doing some
Speaker 5: genius shit that just blows my fucking mind, Like, Wow,
Speaker 5: this guy is in his Machiavellian era and we get
Speaker 5: a tiny dash of it, but not anywhere he's plotting
Speaker 5: and scheming every single episode.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the pod is really good in the universe
Speaker 1: pod now.
Speaker 3: I also I think that you guys have really summed
Speaker 3: up a lot of the issues the finale has.
Speaker 1: I will also.
Speaker 2: Say I think that for someone this is how I.
Speaker 3: Know that this show didn't have the consistency of the juice,
Speaker 3: because I am someone who genuarly the consistency.
Speaker 1: Of the juice.
Speaker 3: Juice sometimes it's like a little watery juice that sometimes
Speaker 3: it's a delicious full pulp orange juice, you know, like
Speaker 3: I am someone who as listeners will know, as my
Speaker 3: pals who I made this podcast, withe will know. Like
Speaker 3: if there is a group of kids that I can
Speaker 3: root for and I'm like, touch my kids, I will
Speaker 3: usually be enamored and kind of riley.
Speaker 1: That I didn't really make you care about that they didn't.
Speaker 3: Make me care enough. And actually I cared more about Isaac,
Speaker 3: whud they killed. I liked Nibs, but I would have
Speaker 3: liked to have They.
Speaker 5: Should have nerved Nibs. Nibs should have been down for
Speaker 5: the count out, Like why bring Nibs back? So stupid?
Speaker 5: She was done, It was good, it was perfectly what
Speaker 5: happened to her, and we should have just moved on
Speaker 5: from there. And and two we loves me would still
Speaker 5: die first me, but what happened to me should have
Speaker 5: changed me. Dramatic, yes, like haunted by what has happened.
Speaker 5: His best friend betrayed him, and now he's like, y'all
Speaker 5: go along with the plan.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is not character accurate.
Speaker 5: It's very frustrating.
Speaker 1: I must say that it's the inconsistencies, you know, the
Speaker 1: inability to pick a direction, and kind of keep going there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we highlighted the kind of wonky way this.
Speaker 1: I think this season obviously started very strong, but it
Speaker 1: started in a way in my opinion, that didn't choose
Speaker 1: to highlight the kids's characters. And I think only that
Speaker 1: only became more of a problem as we went on.
Speaker 1: And I think, listen, I know that I've been out
Speaker 1: here on shut them down, and I think, sadly, I think, sadly,
Speaker 1: like I want that's something I actually want to be
Speaker 1: wrong about, right, What I is, what I want is
Speaker 1: build me an emotional bridge with these kids so that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want them to get shut down, right,
Speaker 1: But sadly, you utrived at a place where NIBBs is
Speaker 1: a murderous maniac who loves killing people. Me is and
Speaker 1: slightly are like skipping around like after killing and maiming
Speaker 1: people and like really enjoying it now. And Wendy is like,
Speaker 1: why don't we just fucking rule? I know, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you you're not beating the allegations that you
Speaker 1: should be shut down.
Speaker 3: I mean to buy it to that house because it's
Speaker 3: that fat, to the island, because the truth is like
Speaker 3: I also have a narrative issue and I did bring
Speaker 3: this up, but like, where do you this is two
Speaker 3: years before the.
Speaker 1: Events alien right, where does the season two go? What?
Speaker 3: How do we see us since rule? Like do the
Speaker 3: can the kids just go out and rule? They should
Speaker 3: have had more conversation with Joe about the realities of
Speaker 3: the world out that what they need to change, Like
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I guess here's.
Speaker 1: My theory about how they do it, and let me
Speaker 1: let me put it. Let me put a theory on there,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to hear everybody else. First of all, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a quick aside, what is Joe's life now? Just
Speaker 1: like he's below the Xenomorphs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, dude, he's like bro She's a speak
Speaker 3: at you and he's just brock at the back.
Speaker 1: I think what the plan is if I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I never truly bought into like the curse is going
Speaker 1: to take over for boy genius because I think you
Speaker 1: need the stock price and everything we know about even
Speaker 1: though we know so very little, everything we know about
Speaker 1: corporations tells us that when you have a charismatic CEO figure,
Speaker 1: you can't just like he can't just disappear or else
Speaker 1: the company is gonna like lose all of its value.
Speaker 1: So my thought was that, and which I've been saying
Speaker 1: is like they have to impersonate him somehow. So my
Speaker 1: thought is, since build a copy boy genius and then
Speaker 1: they put somebody into it, and or build a synthetic
Speaker 1: boy genius that they control. Or option two is they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I where are you come back? And just get in
Speaker 1: this and you can be this guy. You have to
Speaker 1: wear sunglasses all the time, and then you're in this
Speaker 1: guy season.
Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense, honestly, we
Speaker 2: can then.
Speaker 1: They run the company, and then they run the company
Speaker 1: like from behind the scenes. They make a deal with you, Tani,
Speaker 1: and then like they go away, and then they.
Speaker 3: Do they even get out of that? Like do they
Speaker 3: want to rule the world? Do they want to rule
Speaker 3: the people? Do they want freedom?
Speaker 2: I feel like we don't know enough.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think like there certainly
Speaker 1: would get to rule an island and and significant territory
Speaker 1: on Earth. They certainly would get the prodigies research and
Speaker 1: design resources at their behest in order to make them
Speaker 1: better bodies, better energy sources, ET cetera. Multiro takes over.
Speaker 2: He's the captain hook the.
Speaker 3: Kids stay like that's why why is Marl live?
Speaker 1: Anyway?
Speaker 2: Is amazing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your job? Let me get some pitches
Speaker 1: on what happens in season two, Joel? Where does it go?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: So some time jumping? If if it's me, I like
Speaker 5: we we less time jumps. So something did happen while
Speaker 5: we were gone? Great, so now you can come back fresh.
Speaker 1: What I would like to.
Speaker 5: See is the kids in a state of disarray and
Speaker 5: then whatever brought governments back so that corporations had to
Speaker 5: take a step back. So if you're out there, I
Speaker 5: would make you tany a main focus so that what
Speaker 5: we're really getting is a lot of good corporate espionage and.
Speaker 1: Main focus is important for seasons.
Speaker 5: Here island. Who cares? I don't care about.
Speaker 2: But on the potential of the island.
Speaker 1: I think another thing that you just reminded me of, Joelle.
Speaker 3: They did not deliver on the potential and calm, And
Speaker 3: this is something we thought was so interesting early on
Speaker 3: when we were really vibing on it. They did not
Speaker 3: deliver on the potential of the idea of like bodily autonomy.
Speaker 3: Those names were there, Those themes were there, but by
Speaker 3: the time you get to nibs, like they just skipped
Speaker 3: over the.
Speaker 1: Kind of weird pregnancy part.
Speaker 3: Now you know, there is no conversation about other people's autonomy,
Speaker 3: moros autonomy, cashious autonomy.
Speaker 1: I feel like those conversations around this is an economy.
Speaker 1: This is another like ideological issue kind of This is
Speaker 1: like it plays up the class distinction, the US against them,
Speaker 1: you know, the kids versus adults, workers versus bosses. But
Speaker 1: all it does is kind of repackage the existing hierarchy,
Speaker 1: but with a new boss. Like basically Wendy is the
Speaker 1: new boss and the alien is still the alien in
Speaker 1: the same role as it would have been had boy
Speaker 1: Genius been boss. Like nothing has changed, yea, or anyway
Speaker 1: it was a weapon?
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I would also just say
Speaker 2: as well, like what what does it?
Speaker 3: This is the thing that blows my mind, Like what
Speaker 3: does the season to even look like? I was kind
Speaker 3: of of the mindset at this point where I'd seen
Speaker 3: a lot of theories where people were going, look if
Speaker 3: they'd go crazy with the finale, this could be an
Speaker 3: anthology show and every season is a different situation in
Speaker 3: the alien world.
Speaker 1: On Earth, and I was like, wow, that's so clever.
Speaker 1: You just burned down the thing.
Speaker 3: All the sense of dead Jason dream comes true and
Speaker 3: this animal continues.
Speaker 1: No, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: This is my funniest because I'm like, okay, so you're
Speaker 3: telling me that while Sigourney Weaver Ripley's up there dealing
Speaker 3: with the fallout of you know, Whalen not getting these aliens,
Speaker 3: there are just some kids running around on Earth like
Speaker 3: terminate it to like two kids hybrid, Like is it
Speaker 3: T eight hundred? Is it?
Speaker 1: John Connor? Like where is it going?
Speaker 3: I just don't see how it fits in It's I
Speaker 3: want to know.
Speaker 1: I got to know, guys.
Speaker 2: I just also, how long is it going to take?
Speaker 1: Like three years?
Speaker 2: Is anyone going to care?
Speaker 1: Carmen, where do you think this goes?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I I honestly have no idea except for that.
Speaker 4: I think you Tani comes in.
Speaker 1: I think she.
Speaker 4: Is somehow able to buy up Prodigy as a company
Speaker 4: and basically make that company a part of you, Tanni.
Speaker 4: And then I have the feeling that it'll be about you,
Speaker 4: Tani trying to track down these six billion dollar robot kids.
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of imagining.
Speaker 4: Like again, I said this in the last episode, but
Speaker 4: it feels a lot like Westworld season one, Like I
Speaker 4: wish they had kind of gone in a West World
Speaker 4: season where it.
Speaker 3: Kind of expands out of the one space that you've
Speaker 3: been in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then then West World season two kind of
Speaker 4: didn't deliver on that either, So.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just don't know how to make a story
Speaker 3: about hybrid human robots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems struggling with I.
Speaker 4: Like the anthology idea.
Speaker 1: I think it should have just burned it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that could have been such a cool idea. It's you,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just touched on something interesting, Rosie, which
Speaker 1: is like we've seen so many of these, like a,
Speaker 1: I come alive, robots are alive, we make life, and
Speaker 1: then it's we have to grapple with it. And my
Speaker 1: issue with all of them on some level, even the
Speaker 1: ones I really like, is that like it's too much
Speaker 1: like us, like whatever the synthetic life is, whatever, the
Speaker 1: robot life like they are too radical. Imagination is not here.
Speaker 1: They should be about to alien know, they should be
Speaker 1: more unknowable, more scary, with with like intentions and ambitions
Speaker 1: and fears that we can't even grasp because they are
Speaker 1: this other thing and instead they just always end up
Speaker 1: being like humans and they want to do human stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what, I want to rule the world. Now,
Speaker 1: Why do they want that?
Speaker 2: Why do they want that? They've been alive for like
Speaker 2: ten minutes.
Speaker 3: They don't even have like that history of why they
Speaker 3: would want to do it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Jason, you actually touched on something
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: And this is going to be a crazy take coming
Speaker 3: from me because Rosie from like you know, beginning of
Speaker 3: this year, would never have thought I was going to
Speaker 3: say this, but I have to say I think that's
Speaker 3: why for me. And obviously you can listen to Boo
Speaker 3: and Jason and me like kind of popping in and
Speaker 3: out talking about this. But like I think Foundation season
Speaker 3: three is like a much more imaginative, strange.
Speaker 2: Like kind of unknowable.
Speaker 3: I think so often about an episode of that would
Speaker 3: leave me coming away feeling like I have never seen
Speaker 3: that in a sci fi show before, or I did
Speaker 3: not see that coming. I couldn't foresee how this unknowable
Speaker 3: mindset of being someone who's like a constant clone of
Speaker 3: yourself for ten thousand years, how does that change.
Speaker 1: The way you interact.
Speaker 3: I cannot perceive it or guess it because I have
Speaker 3: never been in that situation, so I get genuine surprise.
Speaker 3: I feel like this leaned a little bit more on
Speaker 3: that idea, Like you said, Jason, these human motivations, like
Speaker 3: Marcy cared so much about her brother Joe, but then
Speaker 3: halfway through the season she just doesn't give a shit,
Speaker 3: And I get it because honestly, I also.
Speaker 1: Don't care about.
Speaker 2: That was not for me, not an in character.
Speaker 1: For one last question for the group, what was Kirsha's deal?
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know, but like, so what
Speaker 1: we you know? We we had put forward the theory
Speaker 1: that maybe he was a spy, you tony spy. In
Speaker 1: our discord, people have been saying maybe he wanted to
Speaker 1: take over the company. What do we think? Let's car
Speaker 1: and start with you. What do you think?
Speaker 4: I just think Kersh is a highly intelligent robot. And
Speaker 4: when you give a highly intelligent I think it's twofold
Speaker 4: when you give something so intelligent, this ability to think
Speaker 4: so powerfully, but then you give them no ability of
Speaker 4: free will and no ability to choose their own destiny.
Speaker 4: I think that Kersh is just fed up with being
Speaker 4: surrounded by idiots, and I think that he just wants
Speaker 4: to just go and do his own thing, whatever that
Speaker 4: may be. I don't think he necessarily has to have
Speaker 4: a human motivation, but I just think that his motivation
Speaker 4: is to be free essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I interested an intrigue and curious I like that
Speaker 3: read comment.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I do think that they set up a feeling that
Speaker 3: Kersh's motivations were really important. I would also say I
Speaker 3: guess that other implication is like Kersh could have been
Speaker 3: the first since than atom right.
Speaker 1: And been there for a long time, you know.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, again, I just thought there
Speaker 3: was something so interesting. I'm gonna be real and I're
Speaker 3: gonna be shocking because I do love my children, and
Speaker 3: I thought Amilie versus the alien was very cute. Honestly,
Speaker 3: could the show have not just been about Kersh and Morrow?
Speaker 3: Could about two d necessarily hunting down this escaped alien
Speaker 3: they have Cursh has to get it for, boy genius,
Speaker 3: Morrow has to get it for, you know.
Speaker 1: And I love a kid.
Speaker 3: I love a funny short Bangs Hackert, I've got one
Speaker 3: going on right now. Like, there's many things about this
Speaker 3: show that I was I love their character plays Eyes
Speaker 3: that he played Jazz, The Active Places Isaac, he played
Speaker 3: Jasper and one of my favorite shows. I love the
Speaker 3: actress who plays Curly. She was in another favorite, a
Speaker 3: show that I loved. But ultimately I think that that
Speaker 3: is the thing, is like I need to know more,
Speaker 3: and I've ended the season by being like, oh, maybe
Speaker 3: the didn't need to be in it.
Speaker 1: Which is kind of a crazy way to feel. Joelle,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what might have been up to here's
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 5: Cannon, Kursh and Adam secretly lovers trying to get.
Speaker 1: Out of this.
Speaker 5: This is some Shenanigans. They're tired of boy Genius, but
Speaker 5: they know they can't kill him, both because of you know,
Speaker 5: I think they're under the same rebelic you can't really
Speaker 5: harm humans, Okay, cool uh? And I think that they've
Speaker 5: found a way. They're like, if we can bring this
Speaker 5: island to its knees, and in the craziness, one of
Speaker 5: the aliens happens to give a boy genius, you know,
Speaker 5: then we're free. Maybe we can help lean the company
Speaker 5: in the right direction. Maybe they want to be aligned
Speaker 5: with you, Tahani. I could see it for them, and
Speaker 5: then kersh. I think just wants to like be in
Speaker 5: his lab experience. I think he loves he's a little scientist.
Speaker 5: He's like, I just want to see what happens when
Speaker 5: with these two things together, and Adam is like, I
Speaker 5: don't feel like kids anymore. Right, Yeah, So hopefully we
Speaker 5: get their beautiful relationship in season two.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully season two up the energy from the first
Speaker 1: half of season one and give us some momentum towards
Speaker 1: the end of an actual story arc. Thank us for enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed the season and you're talking about it
Speaker 1: with you guys. Thanks, joy us, thank you. On the
Speaker 1: next episode of x ray Vision, we're diving into Marvel
Speaker 1: Zombies Day. You may have canceled your Disney products, in
Speaker 1: which case we are happy to recap all four episodes
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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye bye bye.
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