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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contained spoilers for the.

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Speaker 2: Finale, A finale when things happen.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, no spoilers. Hello, it is Jason gets

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Speaker 1: up and I'm Rosey. Night and welcome back to x

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Speaker 1: Ravager of the podcast where we dive deep your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop cun company fire our podcast. We're you three

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Speaker 1: episodes a week.

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Speaker 3: What News, And in today's episode, I'm communing with the

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Speaker 3: z animorphs. Oh baby, as we recap the shocking finale

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Speaker 3: of Alien season one.

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Speaker 2: They are definitely getting a season two.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been an outs yet, but there's.

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Speaker 3: No way you would end like this if you did

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Speaker 3: not already season two. Then we will call in the

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Speaker 3: scream queens, Common and Joel and they will help us analyze.

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Speaker 1: Them like a pair of xenomorph Pokemons to save the day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I will say, well, I do have I am

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Speaker 3: interested to talk to you guys about the animals because

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Speaker 3: I actually did realize this episode that I think there

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Speaker 3: is a narrative way for them to explain why.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, yes, we'll see it. We'll see yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Let's go into it. Alien season where

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Speaker 1: finale the real monsters. We open on the beach. Crabs

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Speaker 1: are eating Arthur's hollowed out corpse that has now been

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Speaker 1: dead for maybe just around twenty four hours. Xenomorph comes

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Speaker 1: over to kind of check them out, has a brief

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Speaker 1: confrontation with a crab, and then SLINKs back into the

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Speaker 1: jungle to hunt. At the cemetery. Dame is outside for

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Speaker 1: some reason and decides to put flowers on the children's graves.

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Speaker 1: We see the children's real names, and as this is happening,

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Speaker 1: the Xenomorph closes in on her, sneaks up on her,

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Speaker 1: is about to hit her with the second mouth action,

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Speaker 1: but then the search and Rescue team Siberian Rashidi come

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Speaker 1: and they chase the alien away and save her life.

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Speaker 3: Okay in the facility, yes, please, First issue with this finale.

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Speaker 1: Did you think that.

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Speaker 3: Joe's real surname was Hermit and that Marsi's name was

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Speaker 3: also Hermit?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I thought that was like a code name,

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Speaker 1: a code name.

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Speaker 3: Because he was an interior doctor in the Special Forces.

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Speaker 2: You net and what?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: But no, his name is Joe Hermett and her name

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Speaker 3: is Marty Hermett. Maybe they have very literal names in

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Speaker 3: the future like they do in the past.

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Speaker 1: Could be yes, I was. I was surprised by that

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Speaker 1: reveal as well. We go inside the facility where Adam

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Speaker 1: is giving us and Boy Genius the latest over like zoom.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's happening on Prodigy Island. The island is completely

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Speaker 1: cut off. The data cable undersetat data table has been cut,

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Speaker 1: probably by Utani. They're the satellite connections are completely out.

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Speaker 1: The evacuations of non essential personnel are currently underway. This

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Speaker 1: table this for later, But it was surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: Prodigy does not seem like the kind of company where

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Speaker 1: they get the non important people off first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like non important people do you have on

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Speaker 3: your top secret.

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Speaker 1: Billionaire child Island?

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Speaker 3: I feel like any important people the important people on

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Speaker 1: The hybrids are currently imprisoned in a kind of like

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Speaker 1: holding pen that Adam says won't hold them if they signed.

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Speaker 1: They really want to get out, and the xenomorphs, both xenomorphs,

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Speaker 1: baby Xenomorph and adult genom are just gone. They're running

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Speaker 1: like do we trust them? Like no, well we know

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Speaker 1: but yes, then you have Curs, who's an important resource

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Speaker 1: for them. And Adam is like, well, shouldn't you think

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Speaker 1: about evacuating as well, Boy Genius, mister Broygenius Keler. Boy

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Speaker 1: And the sheep kind of like tips its head towards

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Speaker 1: the guard like, yeah, put me in this guy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And boy Genius is like, you know what, he's too

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Speaker 1: Wendy is still bothered about Joe's apparent betrayal. Curly is like,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, babe, just like you are not Like

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Speaker 3: this is like, really, I'm the favorite.

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Speaker 1: I should say it.

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Speaker 3: If you keep saying that, it's like you are definitely

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Speaker 3: not the favorite, you know what I mean? Like, come on,

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Speaker 3: NIBBs is like, maybe you're in here because you snitched

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Speaker 3: Like Nick now coming up as one of my fabes.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. Nibs is actured. I'm a supporter

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Speaker 1: It's a lot like my dog Donna. When Donna either

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Speaker 1: She's like, wait, you know what, I'm down for a

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Speaker 3: This is my personality now is I'm just good at fighting,

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Speaker 1: So the rest of the Sins are very upset at

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Speaker 1: this idea that Curly may have snitched. And then Wendy

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Speaker 1: like they killed us all. You think you're alive, you

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Speaker 1: body is in a graveyard that we found. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Isaac is dead in his android body and

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Speaker 1: who's now died twice. Wendy points out that in the

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Speaker 1: He realizes because he sees her lips moving a little bit,

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Speaker 1: And boy Genius is like, why don't you grow some

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Speaker 1: And Kursh then says, listen, with your severe case of ADHD,

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Speaker 1: And at this point I'm thinking maybe Adam. I know

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Speaker 3: is the implication that Atom maybe the first synth that

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Speaker 1: So she's sending Dame, you know, the original kind of

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Speaker 1: He tells Joe, Listen, I'm not interested in the past.

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Speaker 1: you how's your lung feels crazy? Right to have to

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Speaker 1: But isn't there always a price when a corporation gives

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Speaker 1: you something? For us? That price is gonna be going

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Speaker 1: to break ay for a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 2: Where we were at back after this, and we're back

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Speaker 2: with new lungs, with.

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Speaker 1: New lungs, I need them. So Search and Rescue continues

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Speaker 1: to creep around the facility. They're bickering about what they're

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Speaker 1: But then an elevator arrives without them calling it, and

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Speaker 2: Like they suck? Like everything's gone to ship on this island.

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Speaker 3: You could have just been stealing proprietary secrets, leaving, spraying

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Speaker 1: by the hour and floor because getting over time. This

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Speaker 1: is life.

436
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Speaker 2: My fucking leaf blowing?

437
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: Who's outside my house? Every I'm like, my guy, you

438
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: could just come.

439
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: The leaf blower is old.

440
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: I know it is not tracked by any kind of employer.

441
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: Don't have to turn it on. Just hang out outside,

442
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: there's no leaves to blow, but he wants that seven

443
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: am leaf blow and pay so I get it.

444
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Speaker 1: So they get just eaten up by the plant creature

445
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: because Siberian. Siberian is like gonna opens one of the bumppens.

446
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: Why would you do that?

447
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: There?

448
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Don't do that?

449
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: Very stupid and also as well, like interesting here that

450
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Speaker 3: this was the last creature we hadn't really seen because

451
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: this is the bulbous plant creature and it seems to

452
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: just kind of like suck her into it and then

453
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: it's just like.

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Speaker 1: It's just slobbering and blood's coming down and it's kind

455
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Speaker 1: of swimming on.

456
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Speaker 3: Sure, the other all the other aliens we saw, we

457
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: got to understand a bit more about, like their physiology.

458
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Speaker 1: And the way that they procreate and stuff.

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Speaker 3: This one, I feel like it was just a bit

460
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Speaker 3: of a weird, gory trap, but you know what.

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Speaker 1: It's still was a cool moment. Yeah, so Curly comes

462
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: in and knocks out Rashidi, so just.

463
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Speaker 3: With a fucking I also just need to say, like again,

464
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: we will talk about this with the girls, but the

465
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Speaker 3: the the inconsistent nature of the power of a sin,

466
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: because I feel like the control that Jane slash Curly

467
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: must have over her powers to not just take that

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Speaker 3: man's head off with a full like compressed air cam.

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Speaker 1: Wilton, we'll talk about this out on the beach. The

470
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: I finds Arthur's riding corpse and apparently that's enough okay,

471
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: and crawls without a heart. He's gotten there.

472
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: She literally has no chest. The organ is gone. He's

473
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Speaker 3: already had his x anymov pop out of him.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I mean, this is incredible, the power of this creature.

475
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: And you know, crawls into are the corpse and then

476
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: walks away. You Tany and her troops are in the

477
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: midst of launching the full scale invasion. You see the

478
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: chips coming in. Wendy has crossed loss one more time.

479
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Wendy has cursh and Boy Genius and Dame in the

481
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Speaker 1: holding pen that they were once in. Now I'll tie

482
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Speaker 1: up along with Adam and Morrow. Dame is like pleading

483
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: with Wendy, like, you know, come on, She's like, shut

484
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: the fuck up, you just chut a bunch.

485
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: Of kid motherfucker and she's right about bees.

486
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: She's right. Wendy then monologues and she roast Boy Genius

487
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Speaker 1: for being a mean angry little man.

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Speaker 3: And I like this, I will say, she says, she

489
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: says to him, and I thought this is maybe the

490
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: through line that the show was trying to get to,

491
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 3: that it didn't necessarily like put across. But she says, well,

492
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: you had never actually a kid like your adult brain,

493
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: the genius that gave it to you, never had to

494
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: approach life like a kid. You were actually able to

495
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Speaker 3: kill your parent figure replace him, be in charge.

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Speaker 2: You've always just been like an angry little man.

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Speaker 3: Though I will say he was six and had a

498
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: dad who beat him, So I do respect that he

499
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: created a scent to kill his dad.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

501
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: Other than that, not a supporter of of this man.

502
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: Also, he is insane.

503
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 3: Boy genius is like, oh yeah, bully insane, Like he

504
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: is like he doesn't know whether he's like bricked up,

505
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: because when he's like on a mission, he doesn't know

506
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: whether he's upset or scared.

507
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: He's just like smiling. Also, they did go a little

508
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: bit over the top.

509
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: He is essentially tied in like a christ position in there.

510
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, guys, a little on the nose. Also,

511
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: like why don't even bother time, like he's the weakest

512
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: guy in there.

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00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: All of them are irrelevant.

514
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: Now, like, yeah about it anyway, she's monologuing. She's like,

515
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: you're powerless now, and you don't like the feeling? How

516
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: does it feel?

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: Ha?

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00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Ha ha. Slightly and Curly come in and they're like,

519
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: the plant got away and the I got away. Oh.

520
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: And then Curly is like, so what do we do now?

521
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: And then you get this pull out of the camera

522
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: pulls out of the pen and you see the two

523
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: loyal Pokemon xenomorphs, the baby and the adults hanging on

524
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: the side awaiting their next orders from Wendy as she

525
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: looks at her gathered sense and says, now we rule,

526
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Speaker 1: and then cut to the music. Okay, season two, I

527
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: guess we're doing season two. All right, let's go to

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Speaker 1: ad break two and now when we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have the scream queens. Carmen and Joel come in

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about this frankly not landed episode.

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Speaker 2: Insane episode of television that feels like there are still

532
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Speaker 2: two episodes left.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll we'll be right back after this and

534
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: we're back. Okay, Carbon and Joel welcome, How are you

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00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: so here. Let me first just I'll give you know.

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Speaker 1: Let's here's what I think, not landed, kind of a mess,

537
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: no ending, a lot of stuff that we're like, that's

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00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And I think my biggest headline is

539
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: what's up with kersh Why don't we ever find it?

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00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: And also the aliens truly.

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00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Are pets right now, they are.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the season. I definitely think I think it

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00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: got worse as it went on. Agreed, Joel, Let's start

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00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: with you your thoughts.

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00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: Let's start with the good. The IPIS continues to be

546
00:29:52,600 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: our our king. The fact that it animated a dead

547
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 5: body in front of my eyes and then they gave

548
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 5: me nothing else to work with.

549
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: I was like, you bitches, bring him back like I need.

550
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: I know, I love I loved that the iapis Like

551
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: I think this is one of those classic situations like

552
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: it was with you know, Doug in the monster verse,

553
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: the Godzilla cong Monster verse, or it was with you know.

554
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Baby Grogu.

555
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Speaker 3: You never know, like when a character is gonna become

556
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: the mascot of your show. True true, And in this

557
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: you can tell from the way that they talk about

558
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: the iapis on the official podcast that they did not

559
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: necessarily think this was gonna be some character everyone's like

560
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: rooting for. But it's so sassly animated, Like when it

561
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: slides down the drain, I was like, yeah, go get it,

562
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: Like yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was so good in Our Sheep Dolly, Like it's

564
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Speaker 1: so funny. It seems to be one.

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Speaker 5: Of the most powerful and the most intelligent. It like

566
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 5: it's actively kind of rounding everybody up, like it's got

567
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 5: so much personality, and then when it chooses a different body,

568
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: it can gain a different type of like personality mask.

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Speaker 1: For a bit like cute evil sheep amazing.

570
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Speaker 5: I just think it's great, and I really hope they

571
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: focus on our iOpus in the next season. To wrap

572
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: up this very long thoughts section. I just I'm so

573
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: confused how these decisions were made, particularly you know, things.

574
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Like you pinged against Peter Pan really early. Jason.

575
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 5: You were like, I don't know, it's really heavy handed

576
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: it And I was so sure that, like this is

577
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: gonna iron itself out by the.

578
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool things you could pull from.

579
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Speaker 5: Peter Pan, and instead they were just blatantly like you're

580
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 5: not Peter Pan and then had an incredibly confusing statement

581
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Speaker 5: of like you were never a child, he is.

582
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Speaker 1: A clone? Or what's going on?

583
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: She just means like you didn't intelligence, he never really understand.

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Speaker 1: I understand.

585
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: But the contextually, when you're you're building out this narrative

586
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: like that should have things for people to like that

587
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: might be like, what does she mean by that?

588
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: It's weird?

589
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 5: And then two, I think you know what was most

590
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: disheartening for me is the final line, what are we

591
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: gonna do now? Rule?

592
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Why do these kids want to rule?

593
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: Rule over?

594
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I haven't say I shut them off.

595
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: We get it.

596
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: No, I we're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop.

597
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: Guys, I love them too, but they're not gonna stop

598
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: this stop.

599
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't think the.

600
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Speaker 3: Issue of them ruling wanting to rule narratively is the

601
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: issue for me, because I do think like kids, they've

602
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: been busted around, they've been now they want to be

603
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: in charge, right, Okay. The issue is I want to say, like,

604
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: what does that mean for the fucking alien cannon guy?

605
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Speaker 1: We'll get you, hold on, we'll get there. Let's carm

606
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: and your thoughts, yes, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I have to say, like I was probably like in

608
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Speaker 4: the beginning of this season, I was out of everyone

609
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: on the team, I was probably the most on board.

610
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: I was probably the most like willing to just set

611
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: aside all of the issues with the series. But with

612
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: this finale, I was pretty disappointed with the finale. It

613
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: did do some things for me that I enjoyed, So

614
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Speaker 4: just to focus on the things that I did like

615
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Speaker 4: about the episode. I did enjoy the whole like haunted

616
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: house vibe.

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: That was so.

618
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: I thought that was a fun, kind of like way

619
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Speaker 4: to do that.

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the ghost in the Machine was Yes, it was.

621
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: Quite literally like a ghost in the machine type of

622
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: plot and enjoyed that. I also enjoyed the fight between

623
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Speaker 4: Marrow and Kersh throughout the Yeah, throughout the series, they

624
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 4: were probably the most interesting part of the show for me.

625
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: Is Kirsh and Marrow and what are their motivations? And

626
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: then of course I'm glad that we finally finally got

627
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: to see what that plant thing was doing. I hate

628
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: that they killed our badass with the red dreads, but

629
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: you know, we got to see that cool like octopus

630
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: thing in action, and I enjoyed that. Aside from that,

631
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 4: I was disappointed about pretty much everything else the episode.

632
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay, Jason, let me ask you, and

633
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: then we'll go.

634
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: To the girls as well.

635
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: What were the three biggest things that you didn't get

636
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: from this episode?

637
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: Like what were your three.

638
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: Hanging kind of questions or round like things that you

639
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: just were expecting to thematically play out that didn't.

640
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's no real ending to the episode,

641
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: enclosure and anything. We're still in the same place that

642
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: we were two or three episodes ago, with the running

643
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: around with the invasion, the Italian invasion ongoing, not knowing

644
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: what Kush was changed are episode. That's quite wise, and

645
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: so so everything is kind of the same over the

646
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: course of the last back almost the back third of

647
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: the season. So that's I think upsetting again. I think

648
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: Kirsh not understanding what Kurs was in many ways the

649
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: most intriguing part, Like I was, I was thrilled when

650
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: in that moment in the chopper where they're coming back

651
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: and Kursh is watching like stuff go sideways in the

652
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: lab and he and boys like are you good? Like

653
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he's like, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah.

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: That was I'm like, oh man, this is interesting. And

655
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: for that to go nowhere and to Basically they're just like,

656
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: forget it, we may never go very confusing to me,

657
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I am sorry, but boy genius needed to die. Fashion

658
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: getting getting kicked in the face is not enough, Like

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: they needed to kill him now at least nibs at

660
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: least let nibs like kick him in the face so

661
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: he gets broke. And I think this is season two

662
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: itis where they're like, and he is such a great villain,

663
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: was such a wonderful villain, but the villain exists to

664
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: get defeated and I and to not defeat the villain

665
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: and let him hang on. I think is worse for

666
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: season two, although I think I have some ideas about

667
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: where it could be heading. But I think you could

668
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: still have killed him and get there, and then you

669
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: know those are that and then I think career, and

670
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: then I think, like the controllability of the aliens to me,

671
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: is against everything that we've ever seen or known from

672
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: an alien story. Like on some level they are uncontrollable. Yes,

673
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: you can point them in a direction and sometimes they'll

674
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: kill the thing that you're hoping it kills, but they're

675
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: not like a guided missile, which they are here like

676
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: they're just hanging out awaiting Wendy's next orders. That is

677
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: ten zeed away from like a couple of humans that

678
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: they could kill and they don't do it, and so

679
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: that I think those are not a big issue.

680
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say added to that, I think that

681
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: the only thing that I will say about the aliens

682
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: that I thought was kind of interesting. But again, this

683
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: is my read, not something they can inically put in

684
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: the show.

685
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: They look very like dry brown.

686
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I wonder probably I'm interested to know to be dripping.

687
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: Budgets.

688
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: Probably, I wonder.

689
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: I wonder if that could be explained away as like

690
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: a different.

691
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah no love comment. What were you? What were your three.

692
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: Things that you were like really shocked didn't get kind

693
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: of explored or answered or even just like meant.

694
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of them were like some

695
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: of the obvious ones that I, you know, I've been

696
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: talking about throughout the season.

697
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

698
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: I really thought that mold scrubber was going to be

699
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: a lot more important than that it turned out to be.

700
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: I was like, there's something going on with that mold scrubber.

701
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: I also felt like, yeah, once again I wanted to

702
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: see Boy Cavalier. That was a big thing for me.

703
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 4: Boy Cavalier should have died, he should have been consumed

704
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: by the eye something, you know. And the other big

705
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: thing I think I was disappointed with is also just

706
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 4: how kind of again, nothing really happened at the end.

707
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: We just have to wait until season two. And so

708
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: something I said in the group chat, which i'll say

709
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 4: here also is that this to me feels like a show.

710
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: And I obviously have no idea how season two is

711
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: going to turn out. It could turn out to be

712
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: total shit, but this is to me a show that

713
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: people will watch and be like, just get through season

714
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: one and then and then in season two, you know,

715
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: it gets better, hopefully.

716
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: One of those shows.

717
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: Well how about you, what were your big like, what

718
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: on earth are you doing here?

719
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: Guy? Moment?

720
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna go expan back and talk about like

721
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: the season as a whole.

722
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Yes, when this show started, I.

723
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: Really thought this was going to be Prestige TV space.

724
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: It isn't, which is a little disappointing, And it doesn't

725
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: mean it can't maybe hit that space in season two.

726
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: But when I think about Prestige TV with like cast

727
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: this large, particular, when we're looking at factions of people

728
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 5: who are trying to understand one another. You absolutely have

729
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 5: to spend time both like cloistered within the factions and

730
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: then crossing over the factions, and we don't have nearly

731
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: enough of that. I don't understand what the like social

732
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: structure is, you know what I mean, like mirubbers below right,

733
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: which is a really important element to the Alien franchise.

734
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: I mean, the first film is essentially based upon that

735
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: ethos of like class within a workspace, and so to

736
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: not really get like the culture of the island as

737
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: it exists, it's frustrating. And you can add to that

738
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: the fact that they're like we've evacuated all non essential personnel.

739
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: The island feels the exact same amount of population.

740
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: The first Yes, I think two, there is not enough

741
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: of an arc change or situational change for our heroes

742
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 5: or our villains, which's really a problem. Like Wendy goes

743
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 5: on what is a really cool journey I think of, like, oh,

744
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 5: I'm not a human, I'm also no longer a child,

745
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: Like what is my identity now? And I'm the first

746
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 5: of my kind, Like there's so much to explore under

747
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 5: that umbrella, and you don't get a lot of interpersonal

748
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: time with her and I think that's really frustrating, and

749
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: simultaneously you don't get enough with either of your villains. Finally,

750
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 5: the corporate structure outside of the island. I think Etani

751
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 5: is such an interesting game player. I've been saying it

752
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 5: from day one. Utanius who was really interested in I

753
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 5: think you've crafted a really specific, very interesting character, and

754
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 5: to not give us both Etani of it and the

755
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: true boy genius of it. If you're gonna call a

756
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 5: character boy genius, I need to see him doing some

757
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 5: genius shit that just blows my fucking mind, Like, Wow,

758
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 5: this guy is in his Machiavellian era and we get

759
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 5: a tiny dash of it, but not anywhere he's plotting

760
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: and scheming every single episode.

761
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the pod is really good in the universe

762
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: pod now.

763
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: I also I think that you guys have really summed

764
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: up a lot of the issues the finale has.

765
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I will also.

766
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: Say I think that for someone this is how I.

767
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: Know that this show didn't have the consistency of the juice,

768
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 3: because I am someone who genuarly the consistency.

769
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Of the juice.

770
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: Juice sometimes it's like a little watery juice that sometimes

771
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: it's a delicious full pulp orange juice, you know, like

772
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: I am someone who as listeners will know, as my

773
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: pals who I made this podcast, withe will know. Like

774
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: if there is a group of kids that I can

775
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: root for and I'm like, touch my kids, I will

776
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: usually be enamored and kind of riley.

777
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: That I didn't really make you care about that they didn't.

778
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: Make me care enough. And actually I cared more about Isaac,

779
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: whud they killed. I liked Nibs, but I would have

780
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: liked to have They.

781
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 5: Should have nerved Nibs. Nibs should have been down for

782
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 5: the count out, Like why bring Nibs back? So stupid?

783
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 5: She was done, It was good, it was perfectly what

784
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: happened to her, and we should have just moved on

785
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: from there. And and two we loves me would still

786
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 5: die first me, but what happened to me should have

787
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 5: changed me. Dramatic, yes, like haunted by what has happened.

788
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: His best friend betrayed him, and now he's like, y'all

789
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 5: go along with the plan.

790
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is not character accurate.

791
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 5: It's very frustrating.

792
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I must say that it's the inconsistencies, you know, the

793
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: inability to pick a direction, and kind of keep going there.

794
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we we highlighted the kind of wonky way this.

795
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I think this season obviously started very strong, but it

796
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: started in a way in my opinion, that didn't choose

797
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: to highlight the kids's characters. And I think only that

798
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: only became more of a problem as we went on.

799
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: And I think, listen, I know that I've been out

800
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: here on shut them down, and I think, sadly, I think, sadly,

801
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: like I want that's something I actually want to be

802
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: wrong about, right, What I is, what I want is

803
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: build me an emotional bridge with these kids so that

804
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want them to get shut down, right,

805
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: But sadly, you utrived at a place where NIBBs is

806
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: a murderous maniac who loves killing people. Me is and

807
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: slightly are like skipping around like after killing and maiming

808
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: people and like really enjoying it now. And Wendy is like,

809
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: why don't we just fucking rule? I know, I don't know, guys,

810
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you you're not beating the allegations that you

811
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: should be shut down.

812
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: I mean to buy it to that house because it's

813
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: that fat, to the island, because the truth is like

814
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: I also have a narrative issue and I did bring

815
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: this up, but like, where do you this is two

816
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: years before the.

817
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Events alien right, where does the season two go? What?

818
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: How do we see us since rule? Like do the

819
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: can the kids just go out and rule? They should

820
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: have had more conversation with Joe about the realities of

821
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: the world out that what they need to change, Like

822
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I guess here's.

823
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: My theory about how they do it, and let me

824
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: let me put it. Let me put a theory on there,

825
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: and I'd love to hear everybody else. First of all, Yeah,

826
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: as a quick aside, what is Joe's life now? Just

827
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: like he's below the Xenomorphs?

828
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, dude, he's like bro She's a speak

829
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: at you and he's just brock at the back.

830
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: I think what the plan is if I had to guess,

831
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: I never truly bought into like the curse is going

832
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: to take over for boy genius because I think you

833
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: need the stock price and everything we know about even

834
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: though we know so very little, everything we know about

835
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: corporations tells us that when you have a charismatic CEO figure,

836
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: you can't just like he can't just disappear or else

837
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: the company is gonna like lose all of its value.

838
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: So my thought was that, and which I've been saying

839
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: is like they have to impersonate him somehow. So my

840
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: thought is, since build a copy boy genius and then

841
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: they put somebody into it, and or build a synthetic

842
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: boy genius that they control. Or option two is they're like, hey,

843
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: I where are you come back? And just get in

844
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: this and you can be this guy. You have to

845
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: wear sunglasses all the time, and then you're in this

846
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: guy season.

847
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense, honestly, we

848
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: can then.

849
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: They run the company, and then they run the company

850
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: like from behind the scenes. They make a deal with you, Tani,

851
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: and then like they go away, and then they.

852
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: Do they even get out of that? Like do they

853
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: want to rule the world? Do they want to rule

854
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: the people? Do they want freedom?

855
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 2: I feel like we don't know enough.

856
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think like there certainly

857
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: would get to rule an island and and significant territory

858
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: on Earth. They certainly would get the prodigies research and

859
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: design resources at their behest in order to make them

860
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: better bodies, better energy sources, ET cetera. Multiro takes over.

861
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: He's the captain hook the.

862
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: Kids stay like that's why why is Marl live?

863
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Anyway?

864
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: Is amazing?

865
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your job? Let me get some pitches

866
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: on what happens in season two, Joel? Where does it go?

867
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: Like?

868
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: So some time jumping? If if it's me, I like

869
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 5: we we less time jumps. So something did happen while

870
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 5: we were gone? Great, so now you can come back fresh.

871
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: What I would like to.

872
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: See is the kids in a state of disarray and

873
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 5: then whatever brought governments back so that corporations had to

874
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: take a step back. So if you're out there, I

875
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: would make you tany a main focus so that what

876
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: we're really getting is a lot of good corporate espionage and.

877
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: Main focus is important for seasons.

878
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 5: Here island. Who cares? I don't care about.

879
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: But on the potential of the island.

880
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I think another thing that you just reminded me of, Joelle.

881
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: They did not deliver on the potential and calm, And

882
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: this is something we thought was so interesting early on

883
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: when we were really vibing on it. They did not

884
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: deliver on the potential of the idea of like bodily autonomy.

885
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: Those names were there, Those themes were there, but by

886
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: the time you get to nibs, like they just skipped

887
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: over the.

888
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: Kind of weird pregnancy part.

889
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: Now you know, there is no conversation about other people's autonomy,

890
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: moros autonomy, cashious autonomy.

891
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I feel like those conversations around this is an economy.

892
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: This is another like ideological issue kind of This is

893
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: like it plays up the class distinction, the US against them,

894
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, the kids versus adults, workers versus bosses. But

895
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: all it does is kind of repackage the existing hierarchy,

896
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: but with a new boss. Like basically Wendy is the

897
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: new boss and the alien is still the alien in

898
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: the same role as it would have been had boy

899
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: Genius been boss. Like nothing has changed, yea, or anyway

900
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: it was a weapon?

901
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I would also just say

902
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: as well, like what what does it?

903
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: This is the thing that blows my mind, Like what

904
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: does the season to even look like? I was kind

905
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: of of the mindset at this point where I'd seen

906
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: a lot of theories where people were going, look if

907
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: they'd go crazy with the finale, this could be an

908
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: anthology show and every season is a different situation in

909
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: the alien world.

910
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: On Earth, and I was like, wow, that's so clever.

911
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: You just burned down the thing.

912
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: All the sense of dead Jason dream comes true and

913
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: this animal continues.

914
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: No, Like I don't.

915
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: This is my funniest because I'm like, okay, so you're

916
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: telling me that while Sigourney Weaver Ripley's up there dealing

917
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 3: with the fallout of you know, Whalen not getting these aliens,

918
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: there are just some kids running around on Earth like

919
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: terminate it to like two kids hybrid, Like is it

920
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: T eight hundred? Is it?

921
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: John Connor? Like where is it going?

922
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: I just don't see how it fits in It's I

923
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: want to know.

924
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: I got to know, guys.

925
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: I just also, how long is it going to take?

926
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: Like three years?

927
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Is anyone going to care?

928
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Carmen, where do you think this goes?

929
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? I I honestly have no idea except for that.

930
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 4: I think you Tani comes in.

931
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: I think she.

932
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: Is somehow able to buy up Prodigy as a company

933
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: and basically make that company a part of you, Tanni.

934
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: And then I have the feeling that it'll be about you,

935
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: Tani trying to track down these six billion dollar robot kids.

936
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of imagining.

937
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: Like again, I said this in the last episode, but

938
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: it feels a lot like Westworld season one, Like I

939
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: wish they had kind of gone in a West World

940
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 4: season where it.

941
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 3: Kind of expands out of the one space that you've

942
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 3: been in.

943
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then then West World season two kind of

944
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: didn't deliver on that either, So.

945
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I just don't know how to make a story

946
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: about hybrid human robots.

947
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems struggling with I.

948
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: Like the anthology idea.

949
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: I think it should have just burned it. Yeah, I

950
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: think that could have been such a cool idea. It's you,

951
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you just touched on something interesting, Rosie, which

952
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: is like we've seen so many of these, like a,

953
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I come alive, robots are alive, we make life, and

954
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: then it's we have to grapple with it. And my

955
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: issue with all of them on some level, even the

956
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: ones I really like, is that like it's too much

957
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: like us, like whatever the synthetic life is, whatever, the

958
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: robot life like they are too radical. Imagination is not here.

959
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: They should be about to alien know, they should be

960
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: more unknowable, more scary, with with like intentions and ambitions

961
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: and fears that we can't even grasp because they are

962
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: this other thing and instead they just always end up

963
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: being like humans and they want to do human stuff.

964
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: You know what, I want to rule the world. Now,

965
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Why do they want that?

966
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: Why do they want that? They've been alive for like

967
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: ten minutes.

968
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: They don't even have like that history of why they

969
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: would want to do it.

970
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: And you know what, Jason, you actually touched on something

971
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: I think.

972
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: And this is going to be a crazy take coming

973
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: from me because Rosie from like you know, beginning of

974
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: this year, would never have thought I was going to

975
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: say this, but I have to say I think that's

976
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 3: why for me. And obviously you can listen to Boo

977
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: and Jason and me like kind of popping in and

978
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: out talking about this. But like I think Foundation season

979
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: three is like a much more imaginative, strange.

980
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: Like kind of unknowable.

981
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: I think so often about an episode of that would

982
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: leave me coming away feeling like I have never seen

983
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: that in a sci fi show before, or I did

984
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: not see that coming. I couldn't foresee how this unknowable

985
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: mindset of being someone who's like a constant clone of

986
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 3: yourself for ten thousand years, how does that change.

987
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: The way you interact.

988
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: I cannot perceive it or guess it because I have

989
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: never been in that situation, so I get genuine surprise.

990
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: I feel like this leaned a little bit more on

991
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: that idea, Like you said, Jason, these human motivations, like

992
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: Marcy cared so much about her brother Joe, but then

993
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: halfway through the season she just doesn't give a shit,

994
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: And I get it because honestly, I also.

995
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: Don't care about.

996
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: That was not for me, not an in character.

997
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: For one last question for the group, what was Kirsha's deal?

998
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know, but like, so what

999
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: we you know? We we had put forward the theory

1000
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: that maybe he was a spy, you tony spy. In

1001
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: our discord, people have been saying maybe he wanted to

1002
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: take over the company. What do we think? Let's car

1003
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: and start with you. What do you think?

1004
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 4: I just think Kersh is a highly intelligent robot. And

1005
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: when you give a highly intelligent I think it's twofold

1006
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 4: when you give something so intelligent, this ability to think

1007
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 4: so powerfully, but then you give them no ability of

1008
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: free will and no ability to choose their own destiny.

1009
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: I think that Kersh is just fed up with being

1010
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: surrounded by idiots, and I think that he just wants

1011
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 4: to just go and do his own thing, whatever that

1012
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: may be. I don't think he necessarily has to have

1013
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: a human motivation, but I just think that his motivation

1014
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 4: is to be free essentially.

1015
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I interested an intrigue and curious I like that

1016
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: read comment.

1017
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: I agree.

1018
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: I do think that they set up a feeling that

1019
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: Kersh's motivations were really important. I would also say I

1020
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: guess that other implication is like Kersh could have been

1021
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: the first since than atom right.

1022
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: And been there for a long time, you know.

1023
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: But at the same time, again, I just thought there

1024
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: was something so interesting. I'm gonna be real and I're

1025
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: gonna be shocking because I do love my children, and

1026
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: I thought Amilie versus the alien was very cute. Honestly,

1027
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 3: could the show have not just been about Kersh and Morrow?

1028
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: Could about two d necessarily hunting down this escaped alien

1029
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 3: they have Cursh has to get it for, boy genius,

1030
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: Morrow has to get it for, you know.

1031
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: And I love a kid.

1032
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 3: I love a funny short Bangs Hackert, I've got one

1033
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: going on right now. Like, there's many things about this

1034
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: show that I was I love their character plays Eyes

1035
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: that he played Jazz, The Active Places Isaac, he played

1036
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: Jasper and one of my favorite shows. I love the

1037
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: actress who plays Curly. She was in another favorite, a

1038
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: show that I loved. But ultimately I think that that

1039
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: is the thing, is like I need to know more,

1040
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: and I've ended the season by being like, oh, maybe

1041
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: the didn't need to be in it.

1042
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: Which is kind of a crazy way to feel. Joelle,

1043
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what might have been up to here's

1044
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: my head.

1045
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 5: Cannon, Kursh and Adam secretly lovers trying to get.

1046
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: Out of this.

1047
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: This is some Shenanigans. They're tired of boy Genius, but

1048
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 5: they know they can't kill him, both because of you know,

1049
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 5: I think they're under the same rebelic you can't really

1050
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: harm humans, Okay, cool uh? And I think that they've

1051
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 5: found a way. They're like, if we can bring this

1052
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: island to its knees, and in the craziness, one of

1053
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 5: the aliens happens to give a boy genius, you know,

1054
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 5: then we're free. Maybe we can help lean the company

1055
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 5: in the right direction. Maybe they want to be aligned

1056
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 5: with you, Tahani. I could see it for them, and

1057
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 5: then kersh. I think just wants to like be in

1058
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 5: his lab experience. I think he loves he's a little scientist.

1059
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 5: He's like, I just want to see what happens when

1060
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 5: with these two things together, and Adam is like, I

1061
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: don't feel like kids anymore. Right, Yeah, So hopefully we

1062
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: get their beautiful relationship in season two.

1063
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully season two up the energy from the first

1064
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: half of season one and give us some momentum towards

1065
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: the end of an actual story arc. Thank us for enjoyed.

1066
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed the season and you're talking about it

1067
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: with you guys. Thanks, joy us, thank you. On the

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00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: next episode of x ray Vision, we're diving into Marvel

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00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: Zombies Day. You may have canceled your Disney products, in

1070
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: which case we are happy to recap all four episodes

1071
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: of Marvel Zombies for you on the x ray Vision program.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye bye bye.

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