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Speaker 1: d P Show. Now that the dust is settling, the
Speaker 1: NFL scouting com line is over, there's a flood of
Speaker 1: mock drafts hitting the internet. As usual, quarterbacks are moving
Speaker 1: up the board fast. Todd McShay had his mock draft
Speaker 1: that just came out. You could have, you know, five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks taken in the first round. You could have maybe
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks taken in the top ten. You know who
Speaker 1: doesn't get blamed when you miss out on the next
Speaker 1: great quarterback. The GMS get less of a hard time
Speaker 1: for passing on players at other positions. Aaron Donald is
Speaker 1: arguably the best defensive player in the league. Do you
Speaker 1: know how many teams passed up on him? Twelve Rams
Speaker 1: got him in thirteen. People don't call out teams that
Speaker 1: passed on him or other defensive players. But boy, if
Speaker 1: you missed a quarterback, what were you thinking on missing
Speaker 1: out on Patrick Mahomes? You're just Shaun Watson and I
Speaker 1: agree with that. So now we're seeing names like Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, and Jacob Easton in mock drafts. You got
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, you got two of five quarterbacks first round.
Speaker 1: Won't be a surprise. It almost seems like that's the
Speaker 1: norm these days because it feels like everybody is spitting
Speaker 1: that wheel hoping it lands on a franchise quarterback. So
Speaker 1: get ready, it's draft time and here come the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know, it happens every year. It is time tested.
Speaker 1: You know. Now, Jacob Ethan is a guy who people
Speaker 1: are looking at, going with a minute here, he's a riser.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Hey, keep in mind he lost all of
Speaker 1: his offensive weapons. They very injury prone team, and you know,
Speaker 1: but people like Jordan Love. Last year he was just
Speaker 1: a disappointment and as my sore said yesterday, he just
Speaker 1: wilted in big games, big moments there. But they love him.
Speaker 1: They love what they think you can do instead of
Speaker 1: what they see. That's why Deshaun Watson fell because I
Speaker 1: think we saw everything. He saw him play, he saw
Speaker 1: him win a national championship. You saw him in a
Speaker 1: big moment and then you go, okay, wh yeah, but
Speaker 1: what else does he have? Like is that his ceiling there.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people watch Patrick Mahomes, but
Speaker 1: Mahomes you watched and you went, yeah, but he's a
Speaker 1: Brett far of like he takes too many chances here,
Speaker 1: but you got to see him and people passed on
Speaker 1: him as well, Mitchell Trubisky, who was watching Mitchell Trubisky,
Speaker 1: who was watching Daniel Jones. But the potential was there
Speaker 1: and Jordan love Boy the potentially big arm. He could
Speaker 1: be like Mahomes. Okay, maybe he is. Joe Burrow could
Speaker 1: be the next Tom Brady. When Rick new Heisl came on,
Speaker 1: he said, you know he's he could be the next
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. More athletic two is like Drew Brees or
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Okay, every year that justin Herbert Man he is.
Speaker 1: He looks like a quarterback here. Okay, it's just every year.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to look like a quarterback. Can he
Speaker 1: play like a quarterback? But that's what you have this
Speaker 1: time of the year, mock drafts as we try to
Speaker 1: handicap this, and somebody is going to go crazy over
Speaker 1: a quarterback and move up. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: Washington's doing it too. I mean, I'm still a little
Speaker 1: skeptical on that that the story was broken by a
Speaker 1: newspaper in Miami, not in Washington, about that they're interested
Speaker 1: in two. It felt like it was maybe one of
Speaker 1: those planted articles there. But is somebody going to go
Speaker 1: up and get him to the Redskins? And I understand
Speaker 1: what the Redskins are doing, Like, if you want to
Speaker 1: give the impression, hey, you want to get him, you
Speaker 1: got to come up here and get him at two
Speaker 1: and then maybe you can still get your guy if
Speaker 1: you still want to chase Young. But this is what
Speaker 1: happens when you're trying to find a quarterback, because every
Speaker 1: one of these gams and owners knows the following I
Speaker 1: get my quarterback, I build around that quarterback, and now
Speaker 1: I have a five year window to win a championship.
Speaker 1: But you know, used to be if you were signing
Speaker 1: a guy, he could be fifty million dollars before he
Speaker 1: played a game. Now you know, there's the Bears could
Speaker 1: cut Mitchell Trubisky and it cost him nine million dollars probably.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in a different era, it would
Speaker 1: have been it's going to cost you twenty five million,
Speaker 1: thirty million. You know, you had to guys like JaMarcus
Speaker 1: Russell and Sam Bradford. They were making a lot of
Speaker 1: money that would paralyze your team. But now that's not
Speaker 1: the case, and you don't wait. You know, if Washington says,
Speaker 1: we've seen it up with Dwayne Haskins, and the owner
Speaker 1: wanted Dwayne Haskins, but you bring in Ron Rivera, and
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera says, I want to ah good. He's got
Speaker 1: to find his quarterback because if he doesn't, then he'll
Speaker 1: stay in Washington. Will be brief. Everybody wants to find
Speaker 1: that quarterback. The question is we love the quarterback that
Speaker 1: we don't know that much about. It's like players who
Speaker 1: play in Europe Man, that guy, he's got potential. If
Speaker 1: Luca done Chick played at Duke, would we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: thought as much of him as we did. The mystery
Speaker 1: of him playing in the European League. Now it's a
Speaker 1: teenager playing with grown ups, man, and I'd watch his
Speaker 1: highlights that's why they're called highlights. It's rare when they
Speaker 1: show you traveling, double dribbling, you know, missing a defensive assignment,
Speaker 1: missing a layup. Like they show great things on there,
Speaker 1: but that potential, that mystery, that's what we love. And
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna do that again. They're gonna go Jordan Love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a good year this year. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get him into a discounted rad here.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, point it's such a craft shoot because
Speaker 1: that's how Bears fans were sold Trabisky, like, well, he
Speaker 1: didn't do a lot in North Carolina. He didn't really
Speaker 1: make them relevant and stats weren't that good. He didn't
Speaker 1: play a lot, but we know this guy has something
Speaker 1: and it didn't come true. I saw comparison, Yes, say
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is compared to Patrick Mahomes. They said, well,
Speaker 1: his team didn't do a lot in college, but he
Speaker 1: was a great player. Jordan Love led the league, led
Speaker 1: the antate interceptions last year. The last year Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: Mahomes had forty one touchdowns and ten picks. Their steps
Speaker 1: are way different. Yeah, but they talk about this big arm. Oh,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's got a big arm. I want to know
Speaker 1: if it's accurate. Josh Allen has a big arm. I
Speaker 1: want to know if he can get more accurate. And
Speaker 1: what the scout told me yesterday, there are certain players
Speaker 1: who throw a player open, justin Herbert does not yet
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Does you throw the player open in college?
Speaker 1: Watch a college game now and just notice how many
Speaker 1: times the wide receiver is wide open. The emphasis on
Speaker 1: wide receiver is wide open in college. In the pros,
Speaker 1: it's a whole lot different. They're putting their hands on
Speaker 1: you all the way down the field and you have
Speaker 1: to throw a receiver open. And that's the big challenge
Speaker 1: for a lot of these quarterbacks, no matter how big
Speaker 1: your arm is. Yeah, mclub, I don't understand how you
Speaker 1: value a quarterback to it because like who has amazing
Speaker 1: receivers Joe Burrow and had amazing resiers to Oklahoma quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who all one number one had Ceedee Lamb and amazing receivers.
Speaker 1: So how I mean, if you're a team, how do
Speaker 1: you distinguish what's what this is? Where the scouts where
Speaker 1: it comes. I don't I don't see what they see.
Speaker 1: I only tell you what I'm told from these scouts.
Speaker 1: And you know, my friend said, hey, there are certain
Speaker 1: guys who throw somebody open. There are plays where you
Speaker 1: have to make a great play in college and that
Speaker 1: is throwing a player open, and that's what they're looking for.
Speaker 1: There are guys who are wide those Alabama wide receivers,
Speaker 1: somebody was going to be wide open because they all
Speaker 1: run four three forties LSU, you had NFL wide receivers
Speaker 1: there at the skill positions. I mean, somebody's going to
Speaker 1: be open there. It's when you need to make a
Speaker 1: tough throw. Can you make a tough throw? And what
Speaker 1: they do is they take those highlights or those plays
Speaker 1: and put them together. That helps them more than hey,
Speaker 1: I hit somebody who was five yards you know, head
Speaker 1: of the defense there, you get those ones where you
Speaker 1: got to you got to fit it in a tight
Speaker 1: under durest. You know, they want to show that and
Speaker 1: they want to show how can you fitted into a
Speaker 1: tight window there? But it's not easy to do that
Speaker 1: really isn't. But that's what they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: a couple other things here. Tom Brady situation is still
Speaker 1: full steam ahead, but you know Tom Curran is kind
Speaker 1: of tamping this down a little bit. Tom Curran is
Speaker 1: a buzzkill. He covers the Patriots NBC Sports Boston and
Speaker 1: basically saying, Hey, you know, ease up on this because
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of time. It's fifteen days in counting
Speaker 1: that the clock is ticking. Understand a couple of things
Speaker 1: with Brady and the Patriots. Let's say that he signs
Speaker 1: with a new team. The Patriots take a thirteen and
Speaker 1: a half million dollar cap hit if Brady decides to leave.
Speaker 1: Mike Florio had something in on Pro Football Talk today.
Speaker 1: I'll read you a portion of the end of his column,
Speaker 1: considering that the Patriots of the past two decades have
Speaker 1: achieved a success rate in that regard. Unlike any franchise
Speaker 1: in lead kissed, he won't take lightly a decision to
Speaker 1: abandon the familiarity of success for a fresh start, no
Speaker 1: matter how tempting it might seem before the moment he
Speaker 1: signs a new contract and settled into the reality of it,
Speaker 1: dramatically altered reality that could cause him to pull his
Speaker 1: maybox into the parking lot of a new facility and
Speaker 1: then go, oh my god, what have I done? If
Speaker 1: I'm Brady, I want to know the following because he
Speaker 1: hasn't always taken the biggest contract here. You'd say, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you two years guaranteed. And if I'm
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I want to know the following. What are
Speaker 1: we doing with you? The draft skill position players and
Speaker 1: our offensive line. That's where I start, and maybe not
Speaker 1: in that order, but I need to know do we
Speaker 1: have our skill position players set? And what can we add?
Speaker 1: Are we moving up in the draft? Is there somebody
Speaker 1: that we're looking at? You know, I would just say,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do this with you, I need
Speaker 1: to know I have to have assurances here. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the game that's being played. I mean, I
Speaker 1: still think Brady goes back to the Patriots, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know that we had Jeff Darlington on from the
Speaker 1: Mothership and he said, hey, don't rule out Tampa. I
Speaker 1: just saw where Tampa's now hot on Teddy Bridgewater. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't rule out the Raider. Okay. I just read something
Speaker 1: where the Raiders are interested in Tuah. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to start ruling some teams out. I think we got
Speaker 1: to be fair to the process here because I can't
Speaker 1: keep track of all the rumors and whispers and I'm
Speaker 1: here and junk. Who is really involved in this? I
Speaker 1: think the Titans are. I think the Titans are involved
Speaker 1: in this. But if I'm Paulie, I'd feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about your five hundred dollars bet with Jeff Darlington. It's
Speaker 1: all charity, of course, it's always for the kids. Pretty
Speaker 1: good about it. Yeah, did you see where melk Keiper
Speaker 1: and Todd McShay had a five thousand dollars bet toppers
Speaker 1: on Jordan Love going higher than Justin Herbert? Are they
Speaker 1: allowed to bet my that on the mothership? They are?
Speaker 1: They are also doing it for the v nation. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, well that's good. Kiper was fired up. Mel
Speaker 1: doesn't joke, Mel has Mel has a sense of humor,
Speaker 1: but not during draft time. He was upset that mshay
Speaker 1: was saying he was let's go, man, let's go. Mel's
Speaker 1: hair is all up in the who's hired? Who has? Who?
Speaker 1: McShay has Jordan Love picked before Justin Herbert? That's the
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars bet. Once again, everybody loves Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: He's the new guy. Don't know not that much about him,
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden it's like, hey, that's
Speaker 1: that's the shiny new object here with these guys, and
Speaker 1: he'll probably move up a little bit higher. There are
Speaker 1: already people saying Jordan Love will be better than Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna say Joe bon Tanna? Well no, not yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard Joe's yeah. One year then they'll probably say yes.
Speaker 1: I mean, do people even know what conference Utah States in?
Speaker 1: It's it's a Utah State quarterback we're talking. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what people are you know, talking about
Speaker 1: with Jordan lungs Now, it's a Luca Dante. What we
Speaker 1: don't see? We're fascinated. I watched a full game last
Speaker 1: year because I thought, okay, let me just see how
Speaker 1: good he is now. During the broadcast they did say, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a you know, his offense is banged up,
Speaker 1: and I went, okay, but you're still looking for things
Speaker 1: with a quarterback. I just didn't see enough in that
Speaker 1: full game. But you know, they loved him the previous year,
Speaker 1: and they certainly are falling in love falling back in
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Speaker 1: the Sports Business Journal, does a great job covering the
Speaker 1: scoofy business. He reports ESPN has reached out to Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning's camp to see whether or not he's interested in
Speaker 1: the lead analyst job for Monday Night Football. This is
Speaker 1: where I have a problem with the story. Now, Peyton
Speaker 1: had said before he didn't want to be in the
Speaker 1: booth when his brother was still playing, so Eli retired.
Speaker 1: Now that CBS has paid Romo eighteen million dollars per year, Wow,
Speaker 1: I thought it was seventeen. He just got a raise,
Speaker 1: So he's now eighteen million, and Peyton Manning was offered
Speaker 1: something in the range of ten to twelve million dollars.
Speaker 1: If I want to get Peyton Manning's attention, you have
Speaker 1: to give him what you're giving Tony Romo. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the starting point here. Do you think Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: out of pride is going to go? Yeah? I know
Speaker 1: that it's a four letter word, not a three letter network,
Speaker 1: but still, you guys make a lot of money. I
Speaker 1: would like to dispel any perception that Tony Romo is
Speaker 1: somehow more valuable or desirable than me ten to twelve minute.
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of money, but if Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning to me, Peyton Manning would be better than Tony Romo,
Speaker 1: he would because he actually did it and was successful.
Speaker 1: You know, Tony says, I see all these things. Peyton
Speaker 1: saw all those things before everybody else did and actually
Speaker 1: was really successful. Tony had a nice career, he wasn't
Speaker 1: successful at seeing everything in front of him. Peyton was.
Speaker 1: I think Peyton telling you what he sees now I do.
Speaker 1: I think Romo's great. And if you want to pay
Speaker 1: him seventeen or eighteen million, good for you. It's a
Speaker 1: TV show. You're paying one of your lead actors. I
Speaker 1: have no problem with that. I love his enthusiasm. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's there's a boyish charm to Romo when
Speaker 1: he's doing this. But if you want to have somebody
Speaker 1: go to the line of scrimmage and teach you something,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning will teach you something. Peyton will say. And
Speaker 1: I still maintain if I had him on Monday night,
Speaker 1: I would have that camera that follows right behind the quarterback.
Speaker 1: If you're allowed to do that, and I want Peyton
Speaker 1: telling you in real time as he walks to the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage via the camera and he's gonna say,
Speaker 1: you got a blitz coming here, strong side blitz here,
Speaker 1: I'm looking My checkdown is going to be right here.
Speaker 1: And then the play is called and then you're going
Speaker 1: to see what happens in real time. And I don't
Speaker 1: want every analyst to feel like they have to predict
Speaker 1: a play because Romo did this, and there'll be you know,
Speaker 1: guys who were going to try to do the same thing, impersonators.
Speaker 1: I don't need that. Romo is very skilled at doing this.
Speaker 1: Jim Nance is skilled at, you know, kind of taking
Speaker 1: what Tony says and then putting it right back in,
Speaker 1: you know, to the games stream. But if you want
Speaker 1: to pay Peyton Manning and you're gonna put Monday Night
Speaker 1: football on ABC, which is the rumor, and now you
Speaker 1: want to attract the Super Bowl and those kind of things,
Speaker 1: I'd go in with a pretty strong hand with those
Speaker 1: negotiations to say, we now have Peyton Manning, what games
Speaker 1: do you want to feature on Monday Night. There's a
Speaker 1: lot involved in this. But if I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: Peyton's attention. I might start at his number, his jersey number.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, my number's eighteen. We're starting there. I
Speaker 1: don't mind going to Johnny Unitis. You can go up
Speaker 1: to Doug Flutie's number in college. If you want two
Speaker 1: twenty two, we can go to John Hadel at twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. Yeah, Paul, if you're ESPN, would
Speaker 1: you ever consider hiring both Manning brothers in the booth
Speaker 1: double down? Or is that overkill and take away from
Speaker 1: the game. Well, they seem to love these three man booths.
Speaker 1: I don't need a three man booth because then everybody's
Speaker 1: going well, I didn't get to say anything in theory.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have to develop chemistry between your two color analysts.
Speaker 1: They both know football, they both know each other. They're
Speaker 1: not going to battle each other for the MIC. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to go all in, go
Speaker 1: all in. It's a lot of money, yeah, because if
Speaker 1: I pay Peyton eighteen or nineteen, Eli is gonna want seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine something like that. That's a lot of money. Well,
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of money, and the bigger
Speaker 1: picture probably not, Yes, love, but Eli has been quiet
Speaker 1: for fifteen to twenty years. In you. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: been the biggest market in the world. Hasn't said that
Speaker 1: thing is Romo. Yeah, that's true Romo. We were shocked
Speaker 1: when we heard Romo because we had never heard Romo
Speaker 1: like that. But I would just stick with Peyton and
Speaker 1: I would just say to Peyton, it's your broadcast. And
Speaker 1: then he's gonna pick his play by play partner. And
Speaker 1: then you just say, Peyton, Peyton will produce it for you.
Speaker 1: He will. He'll he'll do play by play, he'll produce it,
Speaker 1: he'll direct it, he'll do everything. Peyton will do that.
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee talks about that because I said, how would
Speaker 1: he be as an analyst? He go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he'd drive you crazy, but in a good way. He
Speaker 1: drive you crazy. All right, let me take a break.
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Speaker 1: Who would you want to a tongue of Valoa or
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins If you're a Redskins fan, we like the newness,
Speaker 1: I would go with TA. If I'm Washington and Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera as much as I like Chashun, keep in mind
Speaker 1: Washington had a good pass rush I think they were
Speaker 1: tenth in sacks last year, so they already have a
Speaker 1: decent pass rushing front. But if I get tah and
Speaker 1: two is healthy, see that's the king. If you tell
Speaker 1: me that he's healthy, then I would take Tah. But
Speaker 1: I'm not privy to the medicals, and nobody I know is.
Speaker 1: But you know, until we know that, then I wouldn't
Speaker 1: co sign on that. But I do like Tah as
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise. The one concern I hear
Speaker 1: about Tah is the involvement of his father. That that
Speaker 1: is going to be a big deal. I don't know
Speaker 1: to what degree, but I was told that at the
Speaker 1: combine his father was front row when he met with
Speaker 1: the media, his son did. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: how involved he's going to be, but I was told
Speaker 1: that that is something that at least keep an eye on. Yeah, paint,
Speaker 1: So didn't they take the Redskins take Montest Sweat Last year?
Speaker 1: They got Ryan Carrigan, so they got good defensive rush guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you had Chase Young and now they're off the chart.
Speaker 1: If you go back, remember when Jadevian Clowney was a
Speaker 1: number one pick and the Texans needed a quarterback but
Speaker 1: they couldn't pass on Clowney. Would you rather have had
Speaker 1: Jadevian Clowney or Deshaun Watson DeShawn wants It's not even
Speaker 1: really close. So Jadvin Clowney, who was a really good player,
Speaker 1: is even close to as important as Watson. So if
Speaker 1: you look back, that's what the Redskins should do. If
Speaker 1: you know now, Chase Young could be an All Pro
Speaker 1: for ten years, could be a Hall of Famer. But
Speaker 1: you have to find your quarterback. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what they think of Dwayne Haskins. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera thinks of Duwayne Haskins. Like that would be
Speaker 1: the key, like truly thinks to them, here's the problem.
Speaker 1: The owner told the coach and GM to draft d
Speaker 1: Wayne Haskins. So you got that factor here, you know,
Speaker 1: And if Daniel Snyder is going to continue to get involved,
Speaker 1: this isn't going to go well. If Ron Rivera gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity to coach and pick the players he wants,
Speaker 1: then you got a chance at success. But I don't
Speaker 1: need this draconian figure Daniel Sneider saying I want this
Speaker 1: guy because that's not going to help when you play favorites,
Speaker 1: when you're drafting somebody that's not going to help your team.
Speaker 1: You got to make business decisions, yes, mcclem, but they're
Speaker 1: so bad at so many positions, if you bring in
Speaker 1: Tah he's hurt for a year or not a full strength,
Speaker 1: they'll never win a Super Bowl in that five year window.
Speaker 1: At Tuah, well they I mean, I'm not sure they're
Speaker 1: built for Tuah. They didn't so they're terrible at most
Speaker 1: spots on the field. Okay, But then you're going to
Speaker 1: draft a defensive end where you already have a good
Speaker 1: past rushing defensive unit. Yeah, I mean you assume Ryan
Speaker 1: Karagould be gone. Then he's kind of older. Now yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I totally I agree with that, But it feels like,
Speaker 1: can you know you always say about these these five
Speaker 1: year DALs, you gotta win the first five years, but
Speaker 1: you gotta have the pieces around you, right, But you'll
Speaker 1: get a chance to build it, and that's what you want.
Speaker 1: You want to have momentum. There's no momentum in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC with Dwayne Haskins. If Tua comes in and is
Speaker 1: able to play, now, I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to be there at five. Todd mcshay's mont
Speaker 1: Draft has the Dolphins that I just don't. I think
Speaker 1: somebody's going up to get somebody, and is it Ta?
Speaker 1: Is that Jordan Love some team is moving up. Happens
Speaker 1: every year, and somebody it feels like it never goes
Speaker 1: as scripted. You know, we thought we've had tshe Young
Speaker 1: in every single mock draft going to Washington until we
Speaker 1: had the combine. And now the whispers start and then
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera gets there and he's probably saying, am I
Speaker 1: sold on Dwayne Haskins? Have I seen enough to know
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm getting? And if those reports are true,
Speaker 1: then you take Chase on or you might trade out
Speaker 1: of that spot. If you need all that help, then
Speaker 1: trade out, get three draft second round draft picks, and
Speaker 1: you know a couple of first round picks. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: funny how fast things changed. You can find articles and
Speaker 1: mocked drafts from a month ago where I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: Miami in the five spot two is going to drop
Speaker 1: to them, and they're gonna get a great quarterback who
Speaker 1: would have been the number one overall pick if he
Speaker 1: was healthy at the five spot. Now Miami's gonna be thinking,
Speaker 1: we gotta make a move here, or we're going to
Speaker 1: take the third or fourth guy. And I think that
Speaker 1: the perception and we laugh at this. The quarterback in
Speaker 1: class next year is pretty impressive, but it's always next
Speaker 1: year is always better. It never fails. You know, it
Speaker 1: was tank for Tua. Now all of a sudden, Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow comes out of nowhere, and then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence next year. That somebody's gonna be tanking for
Speaker 1: Trevor and where does he end up? If you're Washington,
Speaker 1: do you say, let's see another year with Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 1: We're probably not going to be very good, and maybe
Speaker 1: we get a chance at Trevor Lawrence. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what their logic is, and sometimes they defy logic.
Speaker 1: But if you're sold on to or not sold on
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, then great, take him. But if not, Jase
Speaker 1: Young seems like a pretty good fallback plan where you
Speaker 1: go all else fails, we take that guy. What else
Speaker 1: do we have a poll? Question wise? Well, then I
Speaker 1: did have the same question Herbert or Love. But I
Speaker 1: guess the ESPN a sort of quartered the quarterback question.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to you answer that either. I
Speaker 1: don't know either. I saw them both and I saw
Speaker 1: glimpses of greatness, but I also saw inconsistency, you know,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert was great in the Rose Bowl. But he
Speaker 1: was great running the ball in the Rose Bowl. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about him for two years now, where this guy,
Speaker 1: if he had come out, he was going to be
Speaker 1: the number one quarterback? Was that two years ago when
Speaker 1: we talked about that with Justin Herbert and I watched
Speaker 1: him and there are times when you go, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and then there are times when you say oh my
Speaker 1: gosh for a different reason with it and trying to
Speaker 1: get that consistency. I mean, Josh Allen and Buffalo will
Speaker 1: continue to be that kind of quarterback. He'll be in
Speaker 1: oh my gosh and then a oh my gosh kind
Speaker 1: of quarterback. Jameis Winston is the poster child for oh
Speaker 1: my gosh too, oh my gosh. And now it feels
Speaker 1: like he's on the way out now Teddy Bridgewater's coming in.
Speaker 1: But then Chicago Bears fans would hope that they say
Speaker 1: Biden Mitchell Trubisky and bring in Teddy Bridgewater two Gloves,
Speaker 1: Cold Town. Yeah, yeah, So wait where the Jamus go?
Speaker 1: I annoy I saw where somebody saying possible landing spots
Speaker 1: for Jameis Winston, who one was the Patriots. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you that is that to build
Speaker 1: out like fix Davis. I don't think that Bill would
Speaker 1: like somebody who's that hareless with the football. Having worked
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady for twenty years, I'm gonna guess that
Speaker 1: you don't want to bring somebody in who wants to
Speaker 1: be a gun slinger. Doesn't seem like that's Bill's type. Yeap,
Speaker 1: What Bill does like to buy low and sell high.
Speaker 1: He likes to take damage good Toller, Haynesworth, Corey Dillon,
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and say hey, I'm the one who can
Speaker 1: make that into something shiny. I would take Mariota if
Speaker 1: I want to take something buy low, cell high, and
Speaker 1: Mariota would be who I would bring in before I'd
Speaker 1: bring in Jameis Winston because I still think Mariota. And
Speaker 1: once again, when you see these guys and it's one
Speaker 1: year and it's magical and you win the Heisman, and
Speaker 1: you need a larger sample size with these quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get it. Mariota regressed, even though I
Speaker 1: don't think he was ever coached properly. Where you go,
Speaker 1: we want to put some pressure on the defense, it
Speaker 1: felt like he was really hesitant. He wasn't confident and
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it at all, And maybe that's the
Speaker 1: guy you could get by low cell n Yeah, McLevin,
Speaker 1: what if he had a choice between Ryan Tannehill and Mariota?
Speaker 1: Is there one of those two that would if you're
Speaker 1: in New England say that Brady went to Tennessee. Well,
Speaker 1: Tannehill is going to cost me more based off this
Speaker 1: success this year, But I don't want to pay that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Tennessee, I thank Ryan Tannehill and
Speaker 1: give him, you know, some parting gifts really, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: a full start over. Yeah, Now are you putting Brady
Speaker 1: in that spot or just well, if you get Brady
Speaker 1: then you're saying goodbody to Tannehill. It feels like if
Speaker 1: I'm the Titans, I want Derrick Henry back, but if
Speaker 1: I don't get Tom Brady, then I keep Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: But to me, he didn't really have much success in
Speaker 1: the playoffs Tennessee, did He didn't? And I know he
Speaker 1: made a couple of plays, made a couple of plays
Speaker 1: with his legs. But as you move forward, here is
Speaker 1: that the quarterback you want that you think can help
Speaker 1: you win the NFC? Yeah? I think the Titans could
Speaker 1: franchise tag Derrick Henry for I think eleven million or less. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that. You get one year, you
Speaker 1: don't have to pay him anything down the road. Yeah yeah, mclovin.
Speaker 1: But all these franchise tag guys, we do not know
Speaker 1: if they'll show up. I mean they're they're gonna be mad,
Speaker 1: especially if there's a new TBA. I don't think Henry
Speaker 1: shows up. I don't think, yeah, you're I mean it
Speaker 1: could be. You could have the situation that we had
Speaker 1: with Clay Bound Bell. Yeah, Dak Prescott, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he shows up, Well, Dak's gonna get paid. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get that exclusive franchise tag for thirty
Speaker 1: three million dollars. And that way, nobody can come in and,
Speaker 1: you know, offer you or take him away from you.
Speaker 1: If you do the franchise tag and somebody says, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a two number ones for him, then
Speaker 1: they can steal him from you. You do the exclusive,
Speaker 1: you give him thirty three million dollars. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: less than what he wants, but you're still giving him
Speaker 1: thirty three million dollars. I still think that there's seeds
Speaker 1: of doubt about how great that can be in Dallas.
Speaker 1: That's always been my impression here, and that's why I
Speaker 1: would go, let me see another year here, let me
Speaker 1: see another year here, and you know, maybe we can
Speaker 1: work in a long term deal and then you'll get
Speaker 1: Dak betting on himself again. But instead of you know,
Speaker 1: that exclusive tag, it's I think it's thirty three million.
Speaker 1: If they franchise him, just franchise him, then it's twenty
Speaker 1: eight million, and then somebody can come in and offer
Speaker 1: you something and then take him from you. But you know,
Speaker 1: that is still fascinating to see what's going to happen
Speaker 1: in Dallas with that long term deal and what he
Speaker 1: thinks he's worth and what the Cowboys are willing to
Speaker 1: pay him. Jim and Colorado joins us Hi, Jim, when
Speaker 1: you have for me today, Hey, I got a question.
Speaker 1: I would like to know why you guys don't talk
Speaker 1: about draft and TWA, I don't think you should draft him.
Speaker 1: How many lefty lefty quarterbacks have been successful in the
Speaker 1: NFL and how many lefty quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl? Well,
Speaker 1: Steve Younge, and the odds are the odds are don't
Speaker 1: draft the lefty quarterback because they don't are not very successful.
Speaker 1: I'd just like to hear your comments. Great shows. You
Speaker 1: guys are awesome. Thank thank you, thank you. Jim. How
Speaker 1: many left handed quarterbacks are there? To begin with? How
Speaker 1: many elite left handed quarterbacks are there? Steve Young wont
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl? I know that two A one, A
Speaker 1: national title. Michael Vick was pretty good for a while.
Speaker 1: You know, Tibo was never a great passing quarterback. But
Speaker 1: you know, Jared Lorenzen through for a lot of yards,
Speaker 1: and like you said, Tibo may have been right handed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could have been. He's like the Ben Simmons I
Speaker 1: think of quarterbacks throwing. Wait, how do you throw for
Speaker 1: that many yards? Because everybody was wide open on that
Speaker 1: Florida offense. Yeah yeah, Like, how could you be one
Speaker 1: of the greatest college football players of all time and
Speaker 1: not work in the NFL? Kenny Stabler left handed, Mark
Speaker 1: Brunell had a pretty good career. Jim Zorn had a
Speaker 1: really good career. Boomer sized and won a league, MVP
Speaker 1: went to a Super Bowl. I'm actually looking at the
Speaker 1: draft record of these lefties. None of them were very
Speaker 1: few of them are overdrafted. Only cave mcdown with the Bears,
Speaker 1: I mean everybody of course draft market. Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: the Bears did that liner was overdrafted. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I know that teams were always built with
Speaker 1: your left tackle protecting the blind side of your quarterback,
Speaker 1: your right handed quarterback. I think you know. Times you've changed,
Speaker 1: and I know that teams are right handed and they're
Speaker 1: considered right handed. Well, okay, if you got a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess you can be left handed or run,
Speaker 1: you know, run everything to the left side. Yeah, MC didn't.
Speaker 1: Defenses figure that out and put their best pass rush
Speaker 1: are against the right tackle anyway, So it's ridiculous. Yes,
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor always was going up against Jojo Kobe with
Speaker 1: the Redskins. When those two teams went together, you know,
Speaker 1: faced each other with an important game on the line,
Speaker 1: it was Lawrence Taylor versus jo Ja Kobe. It was
Speaker 1: left tackle. You and everybody spent all this money on
Speaker 1: their left tackles because you're trying to protect your quarterbacks mindset,
Speaker 1: you just spend a lot of money on your right
Speaker 1: tackle instead. And then you got Quentin Nelson, who's a
Speaker 1: guard who's dominating, you know, like and now those guys
Speaker 1: are important. It's hard to keep tracking th things. I
Speaker 1: just you know, you can talk yourself out of things.
Speaker 1: Or you can't take a left handed quarterback. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: your philosophy is or you know, your your team or
Speaker 1: somebody you know had an issue with a left handed
Speaker 1: quarterback somewhere in their previous coaching career. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would have no issues taking two if he's healthy. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you really can't have a left handed catcher in baseball, right,
Speaker 1: isn't that. I know we did this topic, but like
Speaker 1: he'll hit the batter too much, so he can't. So
Speaker 1: left catchers never throw left handed. Yeah, because there's so
Speaker 1: many right handed batters. There's more right handed batters. And
Speaker 1: if you're throwing to second base, or you know you're
Speaker 1: throwing to third, then you're going to have that player
Speaker 1: who's going to block you, or it's going to be
Speaker 1: even more awkward to be able to throw to those bases. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a little left turn by me. Take it. Thank you, dude.
Speaker 1: Fritzie's are all there, Thank you, mclovin, thank you, well done.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break. Play of the day, we'll settle
Speaker 1: on our poll question. Got a stat of the day
Speaker 1: as well. Reggie Miller will join us in the final
Speaker 1: hour the program, and Chris Simms on loan from an
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Speaker 1: we have a comment from Mike Hushevsky after last night's game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Duke had lost three of the last four, and a
Speaker 1: reporter asked about losing three of the last four and
Speaker 1: coach K want to scoreboard? Would you lose? Then we've lost.
Speaker 1: So the world is going to end and a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure is put on even social media, Like it's
Speaker 1: amazing what people put out. You know, really, if you're
Speaker 1: our fans, don't do that, you know, come on, man,
Speaker 1: these kids are eighteen and nineteen years old. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can question my coaching and what the hell? And
Speaker 1: then when you do question it, by the way, just
Speaker 1: come into Cameron and look up in the sailing, all right,
Speaker 1: and then then find out if you should question that,
Speaker 1: you know, but don't don't do anything with our players. Oh,
Speaker 1: just support them. Man. You know, you get these older
Speaker 1: coaches and when they start to lose many they have
Speaker 1: some like Jim Beheim. These guys are entertaining. I know
Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen very often where they say these things.
Speaker 1: But man, when you go scoreboard and your coach K,
Speaker 1: I like that. He didn't go scoreboard, he went banners.
Speaker 1: Do you want raptors? Yeah? Go ahead, just look up
Speaker 1: there now you want to question me. It's just not
Speaker 1: a good dude. You know, it's not a formidable dude team,
Speaker 1: that's all. Yeah, mclen Yeah, that's a serious low. And
Speaker 1: our play the day is an alley oop to be.
Speaker 1: I mean that used to be like they wouldn't even
Speaker 1: talk about be the NCY State. Well didn't they lose
Speaker 1: the NC State? And now it's a big I will
Speaker 1: say that it felt like the play by play an analysts,
Speaker 1: they went a little to excitement level and you got
Speaker 1: to act like you've been there before. And if you're
Speaker 1: the Duke play by playboys, so I'm gonna guess you've
Speaker 1: been there before. Yeah. The Duke students, they don't rush
Speaker 1: the court, do they. When was the last time a
Speaker 1: Duke had a court rushing? I don't know if it, uh,
Speaker 1: if it was a North Carolina game, maybe, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many games because they don't lose
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah see, but they aren't kids who strike
Speaker 1: me as like acting like they've been there before. The
Speaker 1: Duke fans Yeah yeah, Oh, I was talking about the
Speaker 1: play by playboys that you gotta act like you've been there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you won by twenty might have been in
Speaker 1: a really nice play. But I mean, come on, can
Speaker 1: we play that again? Do we have the capability of
Speaker 1: playing that again? Oh my god, play of the day
Speaker 1: day more ahead of the other way lost? Oh see,
Speaker 1: and I think you have that voice in you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make Coach K even matter, but something,
Speaker 1: but you gave a bunch here somethay. We're gonna look
Speaker 1: back and say you had Zion, RJ Barrett and cameras
Speaker 1: and you didn't make the final four in two thou twenty.
Speaker 1: That's what people will say because those guys RJ Barrett
Speaker 1: after last night, I'm convinced he's he's the real deal.
Speaker 1: And Zion is obviously super sorry when Coach K calls
Speaker 1: in next time, you know, oh wait, hey, look up
Speaker 1: in the sky. I'm just saying what band are saying.
Speaker 1: People are saying they don't look at that team and
Speaker 1: be like, wait, that team john Shire, what a title
Speaker 1: and Zaiah and r J Barrett couldn't do it and
Speaker 1: he only had them for four months. That's very true.
Speaker 1: I like how you you hadn't even watched RJ Barrett
Speaker 1: this year and then oh I've watched a ton of
Speaker 1: r J. Barrett. I am not in on RJ. Barrett. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a good game last night because I was
Speaker 1: watching all I was watching some bad basketball last night,
Speaker 1: as as I've been prone to. And then I saw
Speaker 1: where the Knicks were leading the Rockets, and I go,
Speaker 1: let me see how they can blow this. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they held on to beat the Rockets.
Speaker 1: I guess small ball just doesn't work. Yes, mc got
Speaker 1: a rebounded something like, oh, they got crushed on the boards. There.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have these moments. They're gonna be teams that
Speaker 1: will give them pits. The Knicks lead the league in
Speaker 1: one category, power forwards. I think their entire roster is
Speaker 1: just power forwards and paid former players and coaches. They
Speaker 1: were able to just dominate the boards with the pockets
Speaker 1: on the club. So are we allowed to make this
Speaker 1: Spike League when in the wrong door story into something
Speaker 1: more than it is? More chaos in the garden or
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact details. I don't you're carry Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. You're not ready for more Nick's trauma. No,
Speaker 1: I don't need anyone. I don't need anyone. And I
Speaker 1: liked R J. Barrett. I thought he had a chance
Speaker 1: to lead all the rookies in scoring this year. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break, Chris Simms will join us on
Speaker 1: the other side, and Reggie Miller will stop by final
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