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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, September twenty ninth, twenty twenty, season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number thirty three. Welcome to another edition of The Break,

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Speaker 1: Real Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the

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Speaker 1: Star Guy Amber at the Star Days at his home,

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Speaker 1: and we got a good forty five minutes of Cowboys

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Speaker 1: to talk here with you guys to day. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: so it's Big Picture Day. And I had one whole

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Speaker 1: set of things that we were going to talk about today,

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Speaker 1: and then Jerry got on the radio and completely change that.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of stuff that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about here, at least in the first segment, maybe

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Speaker 1: into the second segment that came from Jerry's interview this

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Speaker 1: morning with our partner Station one or five out three

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Speaker 1: the fan here locally, and then a little later in

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Speaker 1: the show we're gonna follow up on some stuff we

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Speaker 1: wanted to get to yesterday, some performance reviews, a couple

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Speaker 1: of players that we didn't get a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: about specifically that I want us to dive into a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and then we'll get into the final segment.

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Speaker 1: We'll get some fan questions from you guys. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: guys ask some questions or some comments about some different

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Speaker 1: things around this team that I can then post to

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Speaker 1: this group to be able to answer. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Jerry. He's on the fan this morning, and there

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Speaker 1: were a few things he talked about that I thought

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Speaker 1: stood out. Let's start first with the one that's that's

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Speaker 1: more tactical. He was talking about Lyle Collins and his injury,

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Speaker 1: and he said, we don't know. I don't know, the

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Speaker 1: doctors don't know. We're trying to work through some structure issues.

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Speaker 1: So structure issues. The longer you go, the less optimistic

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Speaker 1: you get, sounding more and more And we heard the

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Speaker 1: same thing from from coach McCarthy yesterday, sounding more and

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Speaker 1: more like surgery is an option here. What did you

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Speaker 1: now with regards to where Lyle stands, We'll go with you, Dave.

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Speaker 1: What I'm thinking is that I'm pretty worried about Lyle

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Speaker 1: Collins's long term availability. How could you not be based

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Speaker 1: on what you've been here in the last twenty four

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this counts, is behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: but you just kind of learn how to read between

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Speaker 1: the lines once you've done this job for a long

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Speaker 1: is surgery something you're considering for Lyle Collins basically out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere? Which Todd Archer's very good at his job,

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Speaker 1: And when somebody who's very good at their job asks

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Speaker 1: a question like that, it's probably because he's gotten an

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Speaker 1: inkling from one direction or another that maybe that's something

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Speaker 1: it down at all. He said it's something they have

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Speaker 1: to weigh. Jerry Jones said the same thing. He actually,

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Speaker 1: he said, we don't know. The doctors don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. You know, we're playing it by year. The

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Speaker 1: a hip problem. That's about as much as anybody's been

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Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't sound like Lyle Collins's return is imminent

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Speaker 1: Do you see this as if Lyle should have to

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Speaker 1: It's a big problem, A problem, A problem. I was

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Speaker 1: What worries me, even though I think Dak Prescott has

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much it's going to start affecting Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: like out of shape, like like this is all happening

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Speaker 1: be clear, he honestly could have. Lyle Collins might have

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Speaker 1: come to camp out of shape, but you don't miss

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. If all Lyle Collins was was out of shape,

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Speaker 1: it's just frustrating that. I understand that teams want to

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Speaker 1: which just makes it frustrating. Yeah, real quick, Nick, what's

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Well, when I'm talking to Connor Williams about

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Speaker 1: that period, I remember him talking about how difficult it

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Speaker 1: is to change and make drastic improvement in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the season. So how much change can you actually

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Speaker 1: see when these guys are having to prepare week by

432
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Speaker 1: week for the next oppintent. How much are these guys

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Speaker 1: able to personally each guys get the help that they

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Speaker 1: specifically need as far as improving their game on the

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Speaker 1: field and all that communication. So I just don't see

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Speaker 1: it changing in a short term. I think it's going

437
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: to take a longer period for us to see something

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Speaker 1: good enough for us to say, Okay, they really are

439
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Speaker 1: making this happen. Ye, Nick, I kind of forgot what

440
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Speaker 1: the what is your questioning? Should you do you agree

441
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Speaker 1: or disagree that that they can actually just get better

442
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Speaker 1: with the guys that they have without having to bring

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Speaker 1: someone else in. No, I don't. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they're going to get better at safety that means that

445
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: the pass rush is going to get better to help them.

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00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: I just don't think those guys are going to just

447
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Speaker 1: magically get better. But I will say the second question

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00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: he asked about he answered about Old Thomas. I think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting as well, because he says there are ways

450
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Speaker 1: you can get better. There are prices you pay to

451
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: get to an acquire talent, there are progress stoppers if

452
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Speaker 1: you have a different plan. So it almost sounds like

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Speaker 1: he's calling Earl Thomas or one of those veterans a

454
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: progress stopper, but I mean, whose progress are stopping? Donovan Wilson.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand whose progress for stopping. But

456
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: I think Amber said it right. If they wanted Earl Timents,

457
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: they would have gotten him. They don't. They don't want him.

458
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: They've they've looked into it, they know it, and the

459
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: player you see with the All Pros and the Pro

460
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Bowls and all that stuff, they don't think he's that player.

461
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Speaker 1: And again, like I said before, I don't believe that

462
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Speaker 1: they think he is healthy, so they don't want him.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. Do you guys think

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Speaker 1: that at other times in their career, Let's go back

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Speaker 1: to last season, that Darian Thompson and Xavier Woods played

466
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Speaker 1: better than they're playing right now. I guess. I mean,

467
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Speaker 1: I just just we didn't see him, these guys just

468
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: running through them like that. I mean, we just didn't

469
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Speaker 1: see the I mean, it's also I guess, a different

470
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Speaker 1: a different scheme. And that's that's kind of the reason

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Speaker 1: why I'm asking the question. Is if we think that

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Speaker 1: they've been better in their career here than what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing right now, it does maybe suggest that maybe there's

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Speaker 1: an issue here with communication, with scheme, with them figuring

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Speaker 1: out their role in certain situations. Maybe again, one thing

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Speaker 1: that we know kind of as a big picture thing

477
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: is the story on the defense that they ran last

478
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: year was that it's a much more simplified defense. They

479
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, kind of played this a pretty

480
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Speaker 1: simple scheme. This year, the idea is that it's not

481
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Speaker 1: as simple as scheme. If that's all true, then maybe

482
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Speaker 1: there is some credence to the fact that that these

483
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Speaker 1: guys aren't playing up to their best because they're not

484
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Speaker 1: as prepared or and I want to don't want to

485
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: say it like that, because that makes it seem like

486
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: they're not working hard. They're just not communicating and doing

487
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: their jobs as well because they are having issues kind

488
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Speaker 1: of fitting into this game and understanding what their roles

489
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Speaker 1: are on each and every play. Can you guys buy

490
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Speaker 1: into that at all? Couple thoughts One one, Yes, I do,

491
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Speaker 1: like I understand given all of the circumstances, they probably

492
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Speaker 1: just don't have it completely nailed down to where this

493
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Speaker 1: scheme is. Muscle memory Number one. Yes, I think Xavier

494
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Speaker 1: Woods has played better at times during his career than

495
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Speaker 1: he is right now. Darian Thompson. I don't think there

496
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Speaker 1: was ever a large enough sample size to know how

497
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Speaker 1: good he was. I think, you know, he spots started

498
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: three times because of injuries last year. I don't remember

499
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Speaker 1: him being awful. I don't remember him being great. The

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00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: other thing, they had an all pro cornerback who they

501
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about his side of the field

502
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Speaker 1: nearly as often as they probably do now with Treyvon

503
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Speaker 1: Diggs a rookie and a grab bag of journeyman veterans

504
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: trying to handle the rest of it. So he might

505
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: not get interceptions. But I think Byron Jones probably made

506
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: these guys lives easier in the past, and that's not

507
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Speaker 1: something you can forget about either. It does feel like

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Speaker 1: to me, though they're putting they're kind of leaving Digs

509
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Speaker 1: out there on an island quite a bit, like there

510
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Speaker 1: have been times we've seen him over these last two

511
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Speaker 1: weeks especially, well, they've left him out there with some

512
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Speaker 1: really good receivers and he didn't have help. He was

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Speaker 1: out there just kind of having to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that they necessarily are too worried

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Speaker 1: about throwing him out there. They seem to be very

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Speaker 1: comfortable with throwing him out there in the same way

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Speaker 1: they did with Bob, results not yielding the same results. No,

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Speaker 1: I no, I get that. But your point, at your

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Speaker 1: point was that the safety didn't have as much to

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Speaker 1: worry about. Well, it doesn't seem like they're worrying about

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Speaker 1: that too much either, because they're still leaving Digs on

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Speaker 1: an island at at least a part of the game.

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Speaker 1: He We're seeing him out there by himself and not

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Speaker 1: really having that safety help. Yeah, I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that the cornerback position is affecting safety. I

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Speaker 1: really believe that. But I also think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe this coaching staff, with how good they are, how

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Speaker 1: good they've been as far as you know, veteran coaches

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Speaker 1: that have been there, as some of these guys have

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Speaker 1: been head coaches, I think they came in here and

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00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: they thought, you know, they'd have a plan and everything

532
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: would be great. But there's a reason why they have

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Speaker 1: all these OTAs in the mini camps and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: In the version, there's no way of virtual meeting, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is the same as just being in here, just

536
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Speaker 1: like a virtual you know, podcast isn't the same when

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Speaker 1: everyone's in here, and so that has to be factor in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know. I have to go look.

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a new coaching staff out there,

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Speaker 1: first year coach that is they're doing, that's doing really

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Speaker 1: well this year. I don't know. There might be, but

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Speaker 1: I just think the continuity of staffs and schemes and

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Speaker 1: systems is probably helping teams through this you know, weird time.

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Speaker 1: And that's not an excuse, it's just reality. It's you.

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00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: You're implementing a new scheme. Yeah, there's gonna be more

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Speaker 1: bust than their word before. Yeah, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back, I want

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Speaker 1: to jump into some of the performance reviews or a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys I want to point out from this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Get your opinions on how you think they played and why.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some performance reviews. We're gonna talk about a

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Speaker 1: few players from Sunday's game and some of the things

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Speaker 1: that they did. And I have some questions for you

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00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: on those guys. We did talk about Dak yesterday obviously

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: and what he was able to do in that game.

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: He was thirty five or fifty seven, sixty five percent

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Speaker 1: two interceptions, a ninety three point six passer rating by

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Speaker 1: all accounts, really really great day. He gets tons of

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Speaker 1: credit obviously for out playing, outstanding outstandingly throughout the game.

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Speaker 1: How much blame do you guys to him for coming

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00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: up short in that final play Let's start with you,

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00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: nick Um, the final play of the final drive, not

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Speaker 1: being able to actually get his team across the finish

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Speaker 1: line to finish that game. I mean, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he's on him. I mean he's he's he's the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the one that, uh, you know, he

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00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: gets the loss. You know, so that's that's the way

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Speaker 1: that it goes. I think he you know, I think

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Speaker 1: he played well throughout the game. I mean, given the circumstances,

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Speaker 1: I think he played really well. But you know, as

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Speaker 1: I've said before, I just think they're trying. He's they're

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Speaker 1: putting too much on him. He doesn't need to be

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a quarterback that should be throwing

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Speaker 1: at fifty seven times. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: any quarterback really is, but I don't think that's really

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Speaker 1: his game. Um, and if being really honest, I mean,

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Speaker 1: as great as he's playing that, Seattle's Seattle is letting

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Speaker 1: him do it. I mean it's very clear they don't.

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Speaker 1: They'll let Dak, you know, get his yards and get

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Speaker 1: all that. At the end of the day, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: make him one dimensional as long as they stop Zeke.

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00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: That was their focus. They stopped Zeke and they were

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: able to win. So, um, you know, Dak's still gonna

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Speaker 1: get his money and all this stuff. But I mean

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Speaker 1: there are teams out there that are saying, we'll let

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Speaker 1: Dak beat this. We're not gonna let Zeke be this amber.

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Speaker 1: How much blame do you give Dak Um. I know

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people blaming him a lot,

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Speaker 1: but me personally, I think he's been he's been playing well,

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Speaker 1: and you don't play football is not a solo game.

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00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: You need a whole team to play football. So he's

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00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: just he's not the only one out there. I just

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Speaker 1: the way I see it, I don't think this should

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Speaker 1: and for him to make that throw and miss and

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Speaker 1: get it intercepted. Yes, he made mistakes, but at the

639
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Speaker 1: end of the day, it is a collective effort from everyone,

640
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: and he's been doing his part. I think, so everyone

641
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: else just needs to step it up as well and

642
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: give him some help. He's carrying a lot of weight

643
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: I think this year, Dave. I just, I mean, all right,

644
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: let's start with what the question actually was. I mean,

645
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: obviously you prefer he makes that much on him for

646
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: trying to pull something out of nothing. Twenty nine of

647
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: thirty two quarterbacks in this league gets sacked on that

648
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: play and the game ends. Dak was he was trying

649
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: to make something out of nothing. Yeah, he probably could

650
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: have scrambled, gotten some yards and gotten out of bounds.

651
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: He probably could have thrown it away. But I've never

652
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: played quarterback at any kind of level, let alone the NFL.

653
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: You're probably more focused with looking downfield to see if

654
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you have a throw than looking at the clock to

655
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: see just how much time you have. So I don't

656
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: blame him there. The interception before halftime was a backbreaker,

657
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: especially because he had a Mari, he had the throw

658
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: he just waited too long. And not only does that

659
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: give Seattle a chance to score right before halftime time,

660
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: but it just it kills your ability to score about

661
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: four halftime and it takes away the impact of being

662
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: able to try to score on the first drive of

663
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the third quarter. I thought, like, you can't screw that

664
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: throw up and you're gonna throw picks. Absolutely, but that

665
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: was just it was horrendous timing on Dak's part. As

666
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: for everything else, I loved it because I've seen I've

667
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: seen the Cowboys stubbornly try to run Zeke into a

668
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: brick wall when the pass is working. It was the

669
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: Vikings game last year. Coaching staff was obsessed with trying

670
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: to put the game in Zeke's hands and that didn't

671
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: work either, even though Dak was throwing the ball all

672
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: over the field. So if you're gonna pay a quarterback

673
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that kind of money, he has to be able to

674
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: put the team on his back in that situation, and

675
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: that's what Dak did. I think they get run out

676
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: of that building on Sunday if Dak doesn't throw for

677
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: three hundred yards in the second half and basically say

678
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: all right, the running game's not working. I got this

679
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. That doesn't mean Dak played poorly.

680
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he was great. And I hope

681
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: the coaching staff keeps that same because they're probably gonna

682
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: need it, because I do agree on Nick with one thing,

683
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: which is that opponents are still going to commit to

684
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: stopping Zeke because if you don't, then you just make

685
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: it even easier. So Dak's probably gonna have to do

686
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: that a few more times, and I hope the coaching

687
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: staff is receptive to letting him do it. Yeah, I

688
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: would just go back to that drive to reiterate what

689
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, Dave. I'd go back to that drive. I

690
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: can't remember what the score was, but it was at

691
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: the point in the game. I remember I said to

692
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: you guys, I was like, this must be the end,

693
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: because I don't think they're coming back on a Seattle

694
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: team like they did at Atlanta. And Cowboys get the

695
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: ball and literally in three plays, bop bop, touchdown, and

696
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: that's where I was like, Okay, this is a little

697
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: different offense. This offense has the ability to quick strike you,

698
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: and they can get back into games really quickly and

699
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: score points really quickly. So I think that's all about Dack.

700
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: You know where I think Dack and the offense can

701
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: be better. And if you look at some of the

702
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks that they have success is I think I

703
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: have to go look at the stats, but I just

704
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of one yard touchdown passes, two

705
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: yard touchdown passes. I mean, I know they have Zeke,

706
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: they try to they go jumbo tight ends and antswan

707
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: woods and all that, but I mean you look at

708
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson throwing touchdowns to Tyler Lockett for one yard,

709
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean still being able to spread out your offense

710
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: and trusting the quarterback to make those plays and all that.

711
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys got a little bit more

712
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: dynamic in that play calling, where play actions and things

713
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: like that that are open and throw the ball a

714
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: little bit more, then it would open up runs even more.

715
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why they commit so much to the

716
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: jumbo packages and all that. Are you talking about justin

717
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: red zone, situational line and red zone I think that

718
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, you see other quarterbacks throw it more. Now

719
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Dak also runs runs it more, so that that's a

720
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: weapon that they don't have. But I think if they

721
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: tried a little bit more passing and just run base

722
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: offense out of the one or two yard line, I

723
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: still think it would have opened up things for Zeke.

724
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: And I think it would open I mean the receivers,

725
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: you still have better matchups out there. But do you

726
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: think that's been a problem area for them running or

727
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: getting in the end zone when they're around the one

728
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: or two yard line. I mean, I think I think

729
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: red zone probably red zone issues have been Yeah. I

730
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: think I think they do have problems that running And

731
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: because they tried to go they think that because te

732
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: is next to your name, that means you're a good blocker,

733
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: and that's not the case. That's not the case. That

734
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: they go these jumbo tight ends and jumbo packages strength

735
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: on strength, and that doesn't work. And so it took

736
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: every inch they could just get the ball in the

737
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: other day Sunday, Okay, let's move walk to the next one.

738
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: We were talking about Zeke. He had fourteen carries for

739
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: thirty four yards two point four average, not great for him,

740
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: one touchdown, but he had six receptions and here's the

741
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: interesting party had twelve targets for twenty four yards. Cowboys

742
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: were very clearly they thought they saw something coming into

743
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: the game where they thought they could take advantage of

744
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense with screens and that kind of stuff,

745
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, it just did not work. Seattle bottled

746
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: it up the whole day. What do you think was

747
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: going wrong there? Was that an issue of that deep

748
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: It is just really really good. Do you think the

749
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys are having a hard time blocking it up? What

750
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: do you think went wrong there? Let's start first with you,

751
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: Dave defense. Credit the defense if you want to. I

752
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: think the cow or the Seahawks have one of the smartest, best,

753
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: most experienced linebacker cores in the NFL, and that's that's

754
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: who stopped screens more often than not. Throw Jamal Adams

755
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: in there before he got hurt, and you've got three

756
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: guys who are really great at diagnosing that and getting

757
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: guys on the ground. Bobby Wagner, kJ right, Jamal Adams.

758
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: So maybe they saw something montap but Seattle self scouted

759
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: and figured it out because that wasn't happening. And then

760
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: the one time they really did draw it up the

761
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: right way, Zeke dropped it. You know, Zeke dropped one.

762
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't remember right now when it was, but he

763
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: had open field in front of him, it's at least twelve,

764
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: if not twenty or more yards and just dropped it.

765
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: I think PFF gave him three drops on the day.

766
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: It could be as many as five. It's just a

767
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: brutal day for Ezekiel La. And one complaint for the

768
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: coaching staff is they were still trying that stuff deep

769
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: into the game, and I'm like, come on, guys, you

770
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: got favorable matchups on the outside all day. Enough with

771
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: this stuff. All right, we're gonna I want to get

772
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: to a couple other players. We're gonna jump to the

773
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: next player, Amber. I want to ask you about Sergric Wilson,

774
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: who was five or seven targets. He had five perceptions,

775
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: seven targets, one hundred and seven yards, two touchdowns. And

776
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I told David as we were watching the game, it

777
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: was nice to see a guy that we talked about

778
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: glowingly during training camp actually show up, because usually when

779
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: you talk about a guy during training CAVI, it seems like,

780
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, regular season gets here and you don't

781
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: hear from him again. But he showed up and showed

782
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: up in a really, really big way, I did notice

783
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys were using a lot more ten personnel

784
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: in this game than they had been in previous weeks,

785
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: which is one running back, no tight ends, four wide receivers. Amber.

786
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: My question is for you, do you want to see

787
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: more of that? And maybe you know, take Scholts off

788
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: the field, which, by the way, this is no slide

789
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: on Sholtz. I think he's been as good as they

790
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: could have expected when they lost Lake Darwin. But do

791
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: you want to see more of this ten person now?

792
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Were you getting four wide receivers involved? I don't know

793
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: why you're asking me that question, because I think you

794
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: know my answer. I am not. I mean to be

795
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: fair credit to Schultz. He did a nice job, but

796
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: but I am still not fully convinced. So yes, when

797
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: they get a chance to do that, go for it.

798
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: I am not in love with the tight end position

799
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: right now, so I'm all love for it. And Cedric

800
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Wilson completely impressed me. It wasn't necessarily a surprise because

801
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: we've seen what he has and the talent that he has,

802
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: but it was a surprise to see him play as

803
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: much as he did and be able to perform the

804
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: way that he did. As far as taking an advantage

805
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: of those opportunities, because sometimes we get very used to

806
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: seeing just you know, Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper and now

807
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: see the lamp. So the fact that that the Cowboys

808
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: were able to provide him more opportunities even after he

809
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: made the two thumbs up for that, go for it,

810
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: all right, Nick, We'll go to the final question with you.

811
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith had four tackles, three sacks, four quarterback hits,

812
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: one pass defense. Obviously, right now he's leading the NFL

813
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: in sacks, but I think the Cowboys are getting far

814
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: more production than they even could have imagined when they

815
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: made the signing from a guy that hadn't played in

816
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: five years. That all being said, I'm gonna take you

817
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: to the other side. How concerned are you that Griffin

818
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: and Lawrence together combined only had three tackles and one

819
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: quarterback hit during next Yeah, it's concerning because the way

820
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: they tried to play that game. That's why you have

821
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: to play it with Russell Wilson, is that you have

822
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: those four guys have to get home and they really

823
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: weren't at all. And you know that that's something I

824
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: don't think the secondary we're talking about a lot with

825
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: the secondary is you don't how many times in that

826
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: game they were covering for four or five six seconds.

827
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean that I think is the biggest issue. And

828
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: so and some of those sacks were actually coverage. Se

829
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: the guys on the back end, we're doing a better jobs,

830
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: I think. You know, d Laws is, Uh, he's banged

831
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: up because he didn't even finish the game. Um, that's

832
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: what McCarthy said that yesterday. Griffin still, you know, he

833
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: said it himself. I mean he's trying to work himself

834
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: back into shape. I mean or not shape, but I

835
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: mean work himself, you know. And with the new scheme

836
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. It's still early in the season,

837
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: but you know, you can we can say that all

838
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: day about how early it is. But but the games

839
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: are counting on the standings, I mean they counts. What

840
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: do you think is the issue there, Dave and Amber?

841
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: I love you guys, jump in here. What do you

842
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: think is the biggest issue with regards to the Cowboys

843
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: pass rush? Right now? I'll start with you, Dave, Geezum,

844
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: the biggest issue with the Cowboys pass rush? Is it

845
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: a hot take to say that, Like, I don't think

846
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: that they were terrible on Sunday, Like, am I stupid

847
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: for saying that? Well? Alton Smith, obviously, I mean very

848
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: very well, but I guess let's let me let me

849
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: limit that down. Do you think you're getting enough pass

850
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: rush productivity from guys like Tank and Griffin? And if not,

851
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: why clearly not? I mean, obviously I do, like I think,

852
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Speaker 1: especially if he's dealing with a knee injury. I thought

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Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, and I guess, let me stop myself because

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Speaker 1: he's on a twenty million dollars salary, so you can

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Speaker 1: always ask for more. But this was the best of

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Speaker 1: his three games. I thought he was active, thought he

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Speaker 1: was disruptive. He helped Alvin Smith on a couple of

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Speaker 1: those sacks. Obviously you want more. The guy doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a sack through three games. But I was encouraged. And again,

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Speaker 1: you know, the unique mobility of this quarterback makes it

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Speaker 1: even tougher to gauge of pass rush in Everson. You know,

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Speaker 1: Everson Griffin laid it out pretty eloquently. It's always cool

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Speaker 1: when NFL players actually speak about it as you know,

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Speaker 1: well he did. It was week two. Now it's week

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Speaker 1: three of a new season, and a new scheme without

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Speaker 1: having a real training camp. It's it's an excuse and

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Speaker 1: like said, like the games counting the standings, but I

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Speaker 1: do believe that. I think it was Also it was

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Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy love having him on Twitter too. He basically said,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to see the team that it will

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Speaker 1: eventually become until about week five. Like week five is

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Speaker 1: when it sort of comes together into the product that

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Speaker 1: you're going to see pushing into November and December. And

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Speaker 1: that's during a regular NFL season, let alone this one.

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Speaker 1: So I do buy it. I do buy it. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't blame anybody for not

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Speaker 1: wanting to hear it. Because the games count. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter that you didn't have a training camp. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Abra? I agree, But I mean you're about

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Speaker 1: to head into week four, so at one point that

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Speaker 1: has to stop being the excuse as far as like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have a training camp together. It takes time

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Speaker 1: to build the whole dynamic between the lines, so at

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Speaker 1: one point you get to get past that. I do

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Speaker 1: agree with Dave in the fact that I think they

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Speaker 1: did play better this past weekend, just in the you

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Speaker 1: were able to see Russell Wilson not have complete comfort.

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Speaker 1: He did get some pressure, so there was some disruption there.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily at the level that we all expected

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Speaker 1: to see it. And thank god they do have Alderman Smith,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think anyone really I mean, we thought

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Speaker 1: he was gonna be a good player, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think we thought that he was going to have such

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Speaker 1: a great impact as he's had so far. So what

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Speaker 1: exactly is the problem or the solution here? I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but I don't really have an answer. I don't really

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Speaker 1: know what the what the real problem is there? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I guess if anybody did, they'd probably figure it

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Speaker 1: out and they would get it corrected. This is one

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Speaker 1: of those things where I think Day's answer is probably

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Speaker 1: the best I've heard so far, as that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just might take some time, and if they're still

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Speaker 1: doing these things and this is the production when you

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Speaker 1: get to mid season, then guess what, this is what

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Speaker 1: you probably can't rely on for the rest of the year, right,

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Speaker 1: and that it's just a weird year. It's just a

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Speaker 1: weird year. What about Randy Gregory, I mean, what if

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Speaker 1: he comes back the way Aldon Smith came back. Well.

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Speaker 1: The difference is when Alden Smith left, Aldon Smith was

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Speaker 1: probably one of the best, if not the best, pass

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Speaker 1: rusher in the NFL. I don't think Gregory ever got

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Speaker 1: there before he left. So he's coming back on a

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Speaker 1: little different trajector. He comes back as a guy that

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Speaker 1: can get six sacks, you know, like he did last

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Speaker 1: when he was when he left him he was a

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Speaker 1: productive player. He was he was a you know, a

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Speaker 1: penalty problem at times. So we'll see if good penalties.

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Speaker 1: We don't need any more of that. Sure, we get

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Speaker 1: plenty of those right now. All right, we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Join us. We're back tomorrow. Tomorrow we're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Browns. We're gonna have a Bucky joining us

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Speaker 1: as usual. He'll talk about that Browns offense versus the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. Toll Then for Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Ambergarcia.

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Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live

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