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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. We're gonna go to Tyler Dunn, who

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Speaker 1: covers the Green Bay Packers in about fifteen minutes. So

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Speaker 1: I've got three things I really want to address. Number one,

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Speaker 1: the Rams pretty much dominating Tom Brady and the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: There are games throughout the course of a season which

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Speaker 1: are really difficult games to win. Instance, we always know

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Speaker 1: that road teams on Thursday Night football, that's a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: You know, if a team was opening a stadium, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bears playing the Rams at SOFI first time with fans,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough spot. I thought Tampa Bay really just

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Speaker 1: didn't bring the energy the Rams did. That game felt

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Speaker 1: so big in Los Angeles, Sean McVay, Matt Stafford facing

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champions and that is not a knock

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Speaker 1: on the Buccaneers, Bruce Arians and Tom Brady. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL. There are upsets. There are certain games, like

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Speaker 1: the Bills and the Steelers Week one, you just have

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Speaker 1: to pretend it never happened. If they met again, the

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Speaker 1: Bills would win by three touchdowns. Last year, the Jags

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Speaker 1: beat the Colts in Week one. The Jags never won

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Speaker 1: another game. In September, crazy shit happens. Teams aren't ready.

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Speaker 1: They go into Florida, the sun, and they're just they

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Speaker 1: just evaporate. I thought the Buccaneers just stepped into a

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Speaker 1: hornet's nest Sofi Stadium. I had several friends there. It

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Speaker 1: it just to me, it felt so much more important

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Speaker 1: I don't think Tampa ever matched the urgency I felt

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Speaker 1: and I think they match up with Tampa, and not

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Speaker 1: everybody does. But they have a superstar corner and Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 1: and you can put him on Mike Evans and basically

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Speaker 1: take Mike Evans out of a game. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: When you face Tampa, you've got to have a star receiver.

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Speaker 1: They also create a pass rush, an interior pass rush

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald. Tom Brady has always struggled with an

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Speaker 1: interior pass rush. They're also a team that will test

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Speaker 1: your corners. Matt Stafford loves to go over the top,

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Speaker 1: and that's arguably the weakness of the Buccaneers. So I

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Speaker 1: think the Rams have a lot of components that are

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Speaker 1: going to challenge the Buccaneers if they met again, an

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Speaker 1: elite show stopping to take out Mike Evans, mostly the

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Speaker 1: ability to score quickly on Tampa's corners, the weakness I

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Speaker 1: think of their team, and an interior pressure component in

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, which can frustrate Tom Brady. But I thought

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Speaker 1: that game was all about intensity and urgency, and I

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Speaker 1: find myself fascinated watching McVay and Matt Stafford's relationship with

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Speaker 1: McVeigh running down the sidelines. I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 1: more interests than in the Rams or that relationship. At

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Speaker 1: some point, I think Jared Goff's got to be watching

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Speaker 1: interesting so much about this league as health and an

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Speaker 1: interesting player for the Rams is DeShawn Jackson, and I

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Speaker 1: was talking to less Sneed during the offseason about this,

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Speaker 1: need a three run jack and I think DeShawn Jackson.

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Speaker 1: His health is always a concern, but you can see

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the Raiders later. The other

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Speaker 1: Life is a resume. So Matt Nage gets Mitch Trubisky

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Speaker 1: But look at what the rookie quarterbacks did you yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Think about this with Belichick. So Belichick is largely perceived

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Speaker 1: Matt and I like him, but he saved Trubisky. Trubisky

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Speaker 1: Kid isn't read. He is not close to ready. Holds

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Speaker 1: game in San Francisco, needing an Eric Stokes. So, I

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Speaker 1: think the upgrade from Kevin Kevin king in a big

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Speaker 1: way there. And I mean, yeah, there were penalties that

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Speaker 1: kind of mundy the game up a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: I think defensively, after what you saw against the Saints

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Speaker 1: and really that that first half against the Lions was

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Speaker 1: just as ugly. That's about as good as Green Bass

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Speaker 1: looking a long long time. You know, the Rams really

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Speaker 1: match up with Tampa, well, Tyler, because they have a

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Speaker 1: great corner in Jalen Ramsey, as do the Packers, So

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Speaker 1: you can kind of take Mike Evans out and force

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Speaker 1: Tom to go to second third options. The second thing

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Speaker 1: of which the Packers had tonight, Kenny Clark creates an

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Speaker 1: interior pass rush. Aaron Donald creates a rush on Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady's feet. That's the way to kind of make Tom move.

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Speaker 1: And those are two big things. I think the Packers

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Speaker 1: have an elite corner they can get sometimes they can

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Speaker 1: get that interior rush, which is big. You know, we

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Speaker 1: forget that Green Bay had Tampa in real trouble. When

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Speaker 1: I watched this game tonight, I don't know if I've

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Speaker 1: felt this way about the Packers in two years. I

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Speaker 1: thought they kind of physically took it to the Niners.

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Speaker 1: I really did a lot on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good point, you know, just that that physicality. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, every time they go up with Santa Clara,

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Speaker 1: it's like and you know, throwing seattle too that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going back a few years, but those legion of

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Speaker 1: Boom teams and then it kind of spilled into San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's it's kind of year to year coach to coach,

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Speaker 1: Eric to Er, the Packers just look soft against the

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Speaker 1: big teams, yea, and they get their butts kicked. And

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: even if they would have lost that game, you're right

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Speaker 1: up front, they were pushing people around, and they're pushing

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Speaker 1: people around about some of their big bodies in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're missing a lot of their big men

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Speaker 1: that do a lot of that stuff. So offensively and defensively,

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that you know, San Francisco didn't

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Speaker 1: just play downhill the whole game and run for two

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Speaker 1: hundred yards says a lot about your progress as a

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Speaker 1: defensive It says a lot about Brian Gutikins, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the GM that the quarterback himself put

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Speaker 1: under fire for six months, and that was a team

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Speaker 1: with a roster ready for this moment right right, ready

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Speaker 1: to kind of beat a team that's pushed them around

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Speaker 1: year to year. I think that top to bottom the rosters,

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Speaker 1: it's strong, and it's strong with that kind of player,

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Speaker 1: with that kind of mentality that Green Bay has been

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Speaker 1: lacking most of Aaron Rodders' career. Yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 1: a Marie Rogers or Randall Cobb. Probably Randall cobbed in

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Speaker 1: the next month, but Amari Rodgers probably beyond. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know how it's going at practice, and I don't

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Speaker 1: get the inside stuff on this. I think he has

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Speaker 1: to emerge at some point this season? Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: The Clemson kid. I just when I watch Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: my one big push is listen, man, you face you face.

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Speaker 1: Like let's say the Packers face the Rams and Jalen

482
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Speaker 1: Ramsey takes Davante to some degree out of it, Like

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Speaker 1: you've got to have a second and a third weapon. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say this, Green Bay has done a great

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Speaker 1: job to develop some young tight ends over the years,

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Speaker 1: and they've got another one. But I just feel like

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Speaker 1: they've got to They've got to develop a second I

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Speaker 1: mean because now you look at the Rams. If you

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Speaker 1: get into a shootout with the Rams, I got Cooper Cup,

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Speaker 1: I go Robert Woods. They use their tight ends. I

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Speaker 1: have Deshan Jackson, I have Van Jefferson. Like gy is

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Speaker 1: not going to be as you know you can. You

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Speaker 1: can just throw the ball on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the field. You When I look at the it's really

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Speaker 1: funny title. I look at the AFC, I really like Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and you cover the entire league. I think the Chargers

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Speaker 1: are for real. Kansas City will be fine, Baltimore is

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Speaker 1: a tough out, so it is Cleveland. When I look

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Speaker 1: at the NFC, I really i'm Tampa Rams. How do

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Speaker 1: you think the Packers match up with the Rams? Because

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Speaker 1: I think they match up with Tampa I do. I

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Speaker 1: think I think Alexander can take Evans out. They'll get

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Speaker 1: a bullrush. I don't know if they match up with

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Speaker 1: the Rams. The Rams, I mean they just dragged Tampa

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Speaker 1: and it was shootout. Tampa couldn't keep up, couldn't keep out.

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Speaker 1: That score doesn't really do that game, just as I

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Speaker 1: think anybody watching that drive for drive it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: they just slapping around. It was ugly. So I think

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Speaker 1: right now the Rams, we'll see if they keep this

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Speaker 1: up right. I mean, eventually, you gotta think some smart coaches,

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Speaker 1: smart coordinators are gonna throw something at John McVeigh similar

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Speaker 1: I mean Bill Belichick and that Super Bowl. He made

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay look like a you know, high school coach.

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Speaker 1: He had no answers. For anything. So at some point

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Speaker 1: in that can they figure this out? Right now? They can't.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Rams are scoring at will. Every game

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a shootout. I mean, Matt Stafford looks

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Speaker 1: like a robot back there. I mean, just picking and

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Speaker 1: choosing whoever he wants, whenever he wants. And if you're

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, You're probably gonna play that type of game.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: win in the thirties and never have to win with

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Speaker 1: somebody else stepping up, because in their defense, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the standard. I mean, teams are copying what the

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Speaker 1: Rams have done with Jalen Ramsey. And you know, you

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Speaker 1: have one corner, you let him take somebody away, and

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Speaker 1: you kind of bring a safe, another safety over there

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Speaker 1: to the other side. You brack it two back there.

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Speaker 1: If you need to force teams to go the long way,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're gonna have to score to keep up.

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Speaker 1: And I come kind of like rationalizing and conditioning everything

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Speaker 1: I say, because I do like Marquis Valda Scandaling. I

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Speaker 1: think that there's a lot to love there. His size

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Speaker 1: and speed, there's so much good And then you know

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Speaker 1: he might have a drop, he might fall down at

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Speaker 1: the top of a route. He'll have that one mistake

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: that kind of drives fans nuts. The fumble against Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: last year. They're relying on him, so one way or another,

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Speaker 1: the season could come down to valda scandal. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I you know what's funny about this, Tyler. I'm watching

541
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: and all the rookie quarterbacks are completely over their skis.

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00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: They were just terrible. Mac Jones was awful justin fields,

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Speaker 1: you know, like all of them. He's struggling to read

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Speaker 1: the field. He holds the ball too long. Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: had a terrible pick six, Zach Wilson. You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I said this before. This is one of the moments

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Speaker 1: of I think I kind of nailed it. I said,

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Speaker 1: if Robert sala is average, he'll be the fourth best

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Speaker 1: coach in this division. And he looks. You know that

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00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: A Vision's got so many good coaches, and you look

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of this league right now. I don't,

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Speaker 1: I really do. I think Green Bay is one of

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Speaker 1: five teams. I think the top is really good, but Tyler,

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Speaker 1: I think the bottom is vast. I mean, we're not

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Speaker 1: even mentioning Houston. That's awful because one of their wins

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Speaker 1: is over the Jags. I mean the Lions, the Jets,

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Speaker 1: the Jacks, the Texans. Right now, the Bears are a

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Speaker 1: bad football team. God, who am I missing? The Vikings?

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Speaker 1: I know they're one and two, but they could be

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Speaker 1: three and oh, I mean, at what point do we see?

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Speaker 1: Do you? I? You know it's funny. I can't take

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Speaker 1: them seriously in the big conversation. I just can't. If you,

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Speaker 1: if you make Green Bay will make Kirk Cousins uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: and that and to me, the San Francisco will make

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Speaker 1: them uncomfortable. The Rams defense will make them uncomfortable. Like

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Speaker 1: I never I just don't trust Kirk Cousins in big spaces.

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Speaker 1: I was told us a couple of years ago from

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Speaker 1: somebody within the organization that he just gets really tight.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's mentals, it's he's a guy that just

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Speaker 1: gets really tight in big spots. He gets nervous, he

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Speaker 1: gets anxious. They have to talk him off the ledge.

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Speaker 1: So I don't see the Vikings as a threat do

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Speaker 1: you at all? In that division. I've heard the same

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Speaker 1: thing that you have, Colin. You know coaches that have

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Speaker 1: been around him that that Monday Night football record that

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00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: gets thrown around and kind of mocked because it's thrown

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Speaker 1: out so much. There's something too that the bright lights,

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: prime time getting tight in moments. You know some quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: they just their their heart rate reaches a level in

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Speaker 1: that moment that is not conducive to success some quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and just calm everything down, like you saw from Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers tonight, and just make the play when you have

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Speaker 1: to make it with everything on the line. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm kind of cautious than Kirk Cousins too. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, he's thrown for one nine

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Speaker 1: hundred yards and no picks and I think he's only

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00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: been sacked like four or five times. He's doing a

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Speaker 1: good job with his mobility. You know, he's not oble,

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Speaker 1: but like kind of fading off and avoiding that rush,

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Speaker 1: avoiding that pressure to deliver, you know, to all the

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00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: weapons they have there. There's a lot to love right now.

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Speaker 1: I just think you know how it's gonna end right

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00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: exactly before and it's right, It's going to be a tease.

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Speaker 1: And you know this is why Green Bay, I guess

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00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: was okay kind of you know, being taken to the

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Speaker 1: woodshed by Aaron Rodgers for six months like they were.

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Speaker 1: They were okay being embarrassed because they knew, like you

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Speaker 1: just said, there's what five or six teams that can

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. You know, it's worth it for

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Speaker 1: one more year, you know, if even if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to trade them anyways, even though this could be it,

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Speaker 1: in their mind it was worth it. I still don't

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Speaker 1: think it was. I still think you you take we

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Speaker 1: look out good Denver's young players. Are there three? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'd take about three four those starters and three four

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Speaker 1: first round picks and rebuild if this is it for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. But I can see the logic because there

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Speaker 1: aren't a lot of teams that can realistically win it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if Aaron Rodgers is locked in what he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do and he just beat a team that's kind

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Speaker 1: of owned him in recent years, that's a big step

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Speaker 1: in the right direction, all right. He's the founder of

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Speaker 1: golongtd dot com. Great newsletter. Read it. If you love

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Speaker 1: the Packers, you gotta be all in. But he covers

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Speaker 1: the entire league. I trust him. He's well sourced. It's

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Speaker 1: Tyler done on our Sunday night. You're listening to this

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Speaker 1: on a Monday morning. It's late. I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: cocktail hang out. Good seeing Anyboddy, Great seeing you Colin.

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