1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: It's that time. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Time time, time, luck and load. The Michael Verie Show 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: is on the air. It is time we revisit COVID. 4 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: There are people trying to bring it back. 5 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: It's like bell bottoms and wings and beads. There are 6 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: just things people keep trying to bring back. Mary Tally 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Bowden is a reminder as to why we should not. 8 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: We still don't have all the information. We still have 9 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: not revealed all the misinformation. We still have not cast blame, 10 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: and of course, most importantly, we still have not punished 11 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: those who deserve to be punished. Mary Tally Boden has 12 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: a new book out. Oh, I did not realize. Did 13 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: you see the name of the book, How Michael Barry 14 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: Changed My Life? Wow? That is really nice. Mary Tally, 15 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: welcome to the program. 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 17 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael. 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: She did threaten that I should probably read it before 19 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: she published it because I wouldn't like some of it. 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: the first time you were on. You told Ramon it 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: was August of twenty one, It was not It was 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a big deal yet. 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: And I had you on because I saw a video 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker, 28 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: and I said, any attractive woman, doctor who can go 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: by that name, that's that's I like her already. And 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: then I had you on and we'd never met, and 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me afterwards 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: that everybody said I was mean to you. Does any 33 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: of that jog your memory? 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 5: Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I well, 35 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 5: I I mean, I honestly had no idea who you were. 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: I ever listened to. 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: the fact that I was not political at all. Like 39 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: I had never turned on an AM radio talk show 40 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: in my life, and I did not realize what I was. 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 3: Getting myself into when I talked to you and then. 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight. 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 4: It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on 44 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: for three hours and I had actually never done an 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 4: interview like that. I'd never done a live interview. Uh, 46 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: And I was not political, so I didn't know what 47 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 4: I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael. 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: to you, Oh, no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people. 50 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: He really likes. That just means he really likes you. 51 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: And it is oh, okay, if that's what that means, all right. Uh, 52 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about your journey. So you went from being 53 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: a very successful doctor with your own what was it, 54 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? What is it called. 55 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: Total laryngology? 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word. 57 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be 58 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because 59 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a 60 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: person with a successful practice in a great location, a beautiful, 61 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kid, everything going for you 62 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what 64 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: has to still seem crazy to you. You did what 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little 67 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: bit about that story, because that gets us to why 68 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: you wrote the book and all the horrible things that 69 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: happened to you and are still happening. 70 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 71 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: So, I mean I had a very quiet practice earnis 72 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 4: and throat, and you know, we're used to treating resiratory infections, 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients 74 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what 75 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of 76 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 4: used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have 77 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 4: the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared 78 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: of getting sick, so I just let people in. And first, 79 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: you know, I was pretty mainstream. I used monoclonal antibodies 80 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: and those worked great and they weren't controversial. But then 81 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: the government took away distribution of monoclon antibodies. It became 82 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: harder and harder to get and so that's when I 83 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: turned to ivermectin, and I was very diligent about making 84 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: sure it was safe before using it because of all 85 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 4: the controversy. 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: And what I found is I was still able to 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: keep people out of the hospital using ivermectin. At the 89 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: same time, I was seeing that these COVID shots were 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: not working. And at the time I had a collegial 91 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: relationship with Houston Methodists. I had privileges there, but only 92 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: as a backstop as ear nose and throat. I do 93 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: outpatient surgery, never use the hospital, and I was actually 94 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: collaborating with. 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Them on research. 96 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: But when I saw that these shots weren't working, and 97 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: as Methodists was the first hospital in the country to 98 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: mandate the shots, and that was five months before for Biden, 99 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: so they paved the way for the rest of the country. 100 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 4: It was a big deal. So I started seeing that 101 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: these shots weren't working because I was testing people and 102 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: I saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated 103 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: were just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out 104 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: to them, I said, hey, what's going on. They gas 105 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 4: lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers of severity. Well, 106 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: I started speaking out on social media and that was 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: my fatal mistake, and they came after me very publicly, 108 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: very harshly. They suspended my privileges and I found out 109 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 4: about it from the media. I found out about it 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle so it just 111 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: upended my life very quickly. I had people from CNN 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: watching them posts, I had people screaming at me from 113 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 4: Australia and calling me all sorts of names, and I 114 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 4: just decided to fight back. And I'm grateful to you 115 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: because you really you were the first to give me 116 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: a voice and help me in that fight. 117 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility 118 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your 119 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: patient knew nothing about your body of work, began to 120 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: say and do horrible things related to you. What sustained 121 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: you through that period. 122 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: Well the truth. I mean, when you're standing by the truth, 123 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: it's not so hard. And seeing the patient's firsthand and 124 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: witness everything that I have stood by is what I 125 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: have witness firsthand. And when you treat albums of patients 126 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: with the same disease in a very short period of time, 127 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: you quickly become an expert. 128 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: That's how you learn as a doctor. 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan. 130 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: And so I was very confident in what I was doing. 131 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of 132 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: the hospital, and I was telling the truth. 133 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 6: And when you have the truth. It's very easy to 134 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 6: keep fighting. 135 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty, 136 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: but they've put you through. Are we going to talk 137 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: about what we have learned from all of this? The 138 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatments and the Lies. 139 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Mary tallybode Doctor Mary Talibut our guests coming out the 140 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Michael Berry Show. Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest. 141 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: Her book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. 142 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: Looking back now, with the body of knowledge you have, 143 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: you've there are probably five people in the country who've 144 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: treated the most COVID patients, and you would be one 145 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: of those five. You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan 146 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: and most everywhere else talking about what happened and what 147 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: happened to you. Start with what happened. You talked about 148 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies which you were unable to get, which was 149 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: an effective treatment. You talked about ivermectin. Going back and 150 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: knowing what we know now you are king for a 151 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: day and you get to announce this is what we're 152 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: going to do to treat COVID. What would you do? 153 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying 154 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country. 155 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: I'll get it and give it to small babies. 156 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: A monocla antivizer, an option ivermectin worked very well, and 157 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: you know a lot of times you'd have to use 158 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 4: it in combination with other medications for more severe cases. 159 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: Breathing treatments that was a big one. I mean, the 160 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: hospitals would not even allow patients to get breathing treatments. 161 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: I talked to somebody yesterday who was in the hospital 162 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: and he would sneak into his bathroom while he was 163 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 4: in the hospital and give himself breathing treatments and tell 164 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: the nurses he was taking a shower. 165 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: I mean, how absurd is that? 166 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people 167 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: in the front lines of people actually treating COVID patients. 168 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 6: More say in the matter. 169 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: I mean, they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls. 170 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: You know, government officials who had no first hand experience 171 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: actually treating these patients. 172 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: There are so many things I want to uncover here. 173 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen 174 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned 175 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: or adapted. 176 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at 177 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 4: common lab abnormality I find is a low vitamin D 178 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: and the lab will tell you it needs to be 179 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: above thirty, but optimally you want it to be above fifty. 180 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: And people that are even taking supplements are often under fifty. 181 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: So that I would say that's sort of the most 182 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: the biggest thing in terms of keeping your immune system healthy. 183 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: That's the answer the vitamin The reason for the vitamin 184 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: D is to strengthen your immune system, right right. 185 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: I'm also and you know I knew this before, but 186 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: you know sugar. You know, infections love sugar. So like 187 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 4: managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan 188 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 4: of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't 189 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 4: have to do it for the rest of your life, 190 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: but it really it helps you break down fat. And 191 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: you know, the low the carbohydrates, the sugar infections just 192 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 4: feed on that. So keeping your weight under control and 193 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: limiting your sugar intake is big. 194 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, and I guess this 195 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: would also be true of you. It would be because 196 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the 197 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day. 198 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: Does it still work? Okay? Do you know? Can you 199 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: still do it? 200 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the 201 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that 202 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 4: there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication 203 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: that costs twelve hundred dollars a month. 204 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 6: So that's my past. 205 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 4: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel 206 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda. 207 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life. 208 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you 209 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, You've 210 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a 211 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: fitness buff. You've done a lot of things. Most people, 212 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: if we're being honest, most people don't have your level 213 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed 214 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: the weight or not willing, let me say that, not 215 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: willing to shed the weight, the ozembic semaglutide category has 216 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: been a godsend to them because, sure, what you're doing 217 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most 218 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: people are not going to do that. 219 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 220 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I 221 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: mean it's a bit hard at first because the sugar 222 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: cravings are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly 223 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 4: and you're you know, I would bring bacon to or 224 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: I would eat bacon. 225 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: All day and eat steak and eggs. 226 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: And it was shocking to me because that just sort 227 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: of goes against what we've been told this whole time. 228 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 6: That you know fat is bad for you. 229 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: You actually use fat as. 230 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: Energy instead of sugar, and it's amazing. It's very good 231 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 4: for your brain too. You can focus better. They're using 232 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: it now for mental illness to treat mental illness, so 233 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: use it for or treating seizures. 234 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 6: So I don't know. I think it's work. It doesn't 235 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 6: hurt to try it, you know. 236 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: And what I was just I was shocked by the 237 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: results and so I was able to maintain it. I 238 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: was very strict for six months. I'm not strict about now, 239 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: because I got to the point where I had to 240 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: keep buying new clothes and I was it was I 241 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: didn't want to lose any more weight, so I'm not 242 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: strict about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty impressive. 243 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: For somebody that does want to try it. Was there 244 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: a particular book or site that you used as a guideline. 245 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry. 246 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually 247 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: interviewed him to he has a lot of great information. 248 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: How important when you look at now how you've changed 249 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: and how you advise patients to change. How important in 250 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: all of that is diet And what are the other 251 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: aspects of diet that you now are advising that are 252 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: not within your original core competency. 253 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 4: Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number 254 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 4: one thing you can do for your health, because if 255 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high 256 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So. 257 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: It's fundamental. 258 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach 259 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 4: is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and 260 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. I 261 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 4: think is the best thing you can do for your 262 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: mental health, and you never regret exercising. When you do it, 263 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: you never want to do it, but when you're done, 264 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: you're you're so glad you did it right. You just 265 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: have to remember that every time you're not wanting to exercise, 266 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: But I think it's the best thing you can do 267 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: for your mental health and relieving stress and sleeping better. 268 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 6: It's very basic, and. 269 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly, 270 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes 271 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: from life lessons more than anything. 272 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors, 273 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: many not. And the consistency of cholesterol is not your 274 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: enemy and meets not your enemy. Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, 275 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: The Treatment, and the Lives. Mary Tally Boden is our guest, 276 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: will continue our conversation coming up. I'm ting must be right. 277 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: You are listening to Michael Berry. Mary Tally Boden is 278 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: our guest, doctor Mary Tally Boden of the new book 279 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. Let's 280 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: talk about what happened to you personally. When did you 281 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: first realize that simply practicing medicine trying to heal people, 282 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be your calling, was subjecting you 283 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: to professional and personal problems. Real, I don't recall anybody 284 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: attacked like this. Maybe Jack of Orkian doctor death that 285 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: that may be the only person I've ever seen attacked 286 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: in this manner to the extent that you were. 287 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there 288 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: getting attacked, believe me. 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm actually getting ready. 290 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 4: The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity 291 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 4: that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state 292 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 4: medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know, saying. 293 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: The things that I was saying. 294 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 4: And initially I was fairly conservative in what I said 295 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 4: compared to what I say now. I mean, I said 296 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: vaccine mandates are wrong and iver metion works, and that's 297 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: that's I said that online. And that's what really got 298 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 4: got me in trouble. So yeah, it's uh, you know 299 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 4: it basically, yeah, I treated a lot of COVID patients, 300 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: but in the grand scheme of things, I was nothing. 301 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: It was, you know, I was just this, I really 302 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: make a dent and things. But Houston Methodists went after 303 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: me so publicly that it just launched me into the 304 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 4: public eye. And then at that point I felt like 305 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 4: I had no choice but to fight back very. 306 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many 307 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: people know exactly how bad it got for you, and 308 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: there were moments there where you thought you would lose 309 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: your ability to practice medicine. 310 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. The 311 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: Medical Board has been after me for four years now 312 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: and involves a patient, Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father 313 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: of six. He was dying in the hospital Texas Hugley 314 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital because 315 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 4: they refused to allow him to try ivermectin as a 316 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 4: last ditch effort. 317 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 3: They were talking hospice. 318 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: I testified. 319 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and we won 320 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: the case. The court was ordered to emergency temporary privileges. 321 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 6: We show up. 322 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: A nurse shows up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. 323 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 4: She's greeted by the police and they turned me into 324 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 4: the Medical Board saying that I sent a nurse into 325 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: the hospital without privileges. The patient never was allowed to 326 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: get the ivermectin. He did make it out of the hospital, 327 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 4: but he was never able to fully recover. And he 328 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: passed away. And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks 329 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: like Texas is going to make ivermectin over the counter, 330 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 4: which is bittersweet for me because yes, it should be 331 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: over the counter. 332 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: But you know, there's so many people that he had. 333 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 4: This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the 334 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 4: hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to 335 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened. 336 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: And that's a story that many people can relate to, 337 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 4: not just some Texas but across the country. So the 338 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 4: medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us 339 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: out as long as they possibly can, and you know, 340 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 4: I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing 341 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: once I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they determined 342 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: that I was guilty because I set up nurse to 343 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now I'm 344 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 4: waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point I 345 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: will have to appeal further. 346 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but 347 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago. 348 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: I get this question a lot since since the spike 349 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to 350 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates 351 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: far above we've seen in history, and the belief being 352 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: that the mr NA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is 353 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: the reason for it. And you've talked a lot about 354 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: spike proteins, can you explain what is going on there? 355 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus, 356 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: and for some reason they decided to create a injection 357 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 4: that would where your body could produce spike protein on 358 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: its own indefinitely with no stop button. 359 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 6: So the COVID. 360 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 4: Shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way 361 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 4: to measure spike protein in the body, at least the 362 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: one that's available to the public. 363 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: So what I've been looking at. 364 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 4: Is spike protein at a body levels and it's a 365 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is very concerning 366 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: because in patients that have gotten the COVID shots, and 367 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 4: this is just my patients, it's almost two hundred patients 368 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: I've looked at, the average level is ten times higher 369 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: the antibody level than patients that did not get never 370 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: got the COVID shot. And this is four years after 371 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: the fact, and most of these people got two, maybe 372 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: three shots, and many of these patients the level is 373 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: so high that it exceeds the upper limit of a test, 374 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 4: which is twenty five thousand. So this average that I'm seeing, 375 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 4: and what i'm seeing is about thirteen thousand in the 376 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: patients that got the shot is actually an underestimation because 377 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: we don't know how high some of these patients are going. 378 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 4: And then patients that did not get the shots, the 379 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 4: average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred. 380 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: It's just not. 381 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: Normal, and we definitely need more research, and we need 382 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 4: the NIH to help us with the research because there's 383 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: just not enough people willing to even acknowledge that there 384 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: might be a problem. 385 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: How many times you think you used the term spike 386 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: protein before COVID. 387 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: Never? Absolutely, yeah, never. 388 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. My 389 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: brother had to take the shot to continue being a 390 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: police officer. He did not want to take the shot, 391 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: and he dies shortly thereafter, And obviously I'm very bitter 392 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: about that. Reading about Jason Jones, I saw a post 393 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously, 394 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, 395 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and he died, and now ivermectin's going to be over 396 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very, 397 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not by neglect, 398 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: but by will because people refused to allow the treatments 399 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: that were being proven to work. And that makes me anger, angry, 400 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: and bitter on a level that is not healthy I 401 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: can relate. 402 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 6: It's basically politics. 403 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: Or science, and it's bizarre to me that. I mean, 404 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 4: it's great to see that more and more states are 405 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 4: making ivermectin over the counter, but they're treating it like 406 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibramectin. If 407 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly, 408 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 4: we need the FDA just to make make the drug 409 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 4: over the. 410 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: Counter because it is. It is incredibly safe. 411 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 4: It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer than tylanalu, and patients 412 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 4: are going to the feed store to get their medication, 413 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: which I at this point I think it must be 414 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: safe because you would be hearing otherwise. But this is America. 415 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 4: We should not be going we should not have to 416 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 4: go to the feed store to get our medications. 417 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 3: Uh so, I. 418 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: Really hope that the FDA will put science over politics 419 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: and just make it. 420 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: Over the counter. 421 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: The fact that they don't is a wake up call 422 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: to every American. I mean, a lot of a lot 423 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: of dirty things were revealed out of all of this 424 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment, and the lies. Mary 425 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: Taly Boden is our guest. Damn it all right? This 426 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: is Mark Chestnut and jar Bizar of Talk Radio card. 427 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: We've gone from Mary Jane to Maria. Derivations of the data, 428 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: Oh Spanish, No, I had no idea. That's just weird. 429 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: That's just weird. You could have done doctor, doctor. You 430 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: could have done all the doctor stuff. You could have 431 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: done all sorts of other stuff, and you choose to 432 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: focus on the first name and and derivations of the 433 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: first name. That's weird, very weird. Ramon not normal behavior. 434 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: Who Rogan wouldn't have done that? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, 435 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, 436 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: the doctor author, a celebrity guest of huge programs. Tucker Carlson, 437 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, you tell us something about those appearances because 438 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people they think we're 439 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: like big buddies. They they send message, oh my god, 440 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: your girl Mary Kelly Boten is on Tucker Carlson and 441 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: she's doing great. I don't know if they thought you 442 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: were gonna flop or what. Talk about that. How was 443 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: that experience? 444 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 4: Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication 445 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 4: is given to my kids because people are now saying. 446 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: Oh, your mom was on Joe Rogan. 447 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: So that that has been nice for the kids because 448 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: they they had to sort of hide who their mother 449 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: was for a few years. 450 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 6: And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson. 451 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 4: Is very authentic and very candid. He told me things 452 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: I couldn't believe he was telling me off air. And 453 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting Joe Rogan, you 454 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 4: would have no idea where his studio is. It's in 455 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: this like non descript sort of warehouse looking. 456 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 6: Thing in Austen. 457 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to H Tucker, 458 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 4: and I brought another kid to Rogan and now I 459 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 4: got to get two more kids to two other shows. 460 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: But you know, the best part of it was the 461 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: kids and having them have some pride in their mother 462 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: because what they're hearing from other people. 463 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: It also caused your social media presence where you talk 464 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: a lot about what you're going through, and you talk 465 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the 466 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really 467 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: amplified your message dramatically. 468 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: I guess. I mean I didn't see my follower count 469 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 4: explode or anything like that. I mean it just, you know, 470 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: it's been going up very steadily. I didn't see some 471 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: sort of huge explosion. 472 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I. 473 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: Guess is there any regret you have through all of this, 474 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: going back to the day before you got involved. 475 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 6: I mean, it has taken as tall. 476 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: I am exhausted, and if you. 477 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 4: Know, I've been given and if I had been given 478 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 4: a choice, I don't know that I would have chosen us. 479 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 4: But I mean I've learned a lot and I'm a 480 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 4: lot stronger. I mean I used to hate public speaking, 481 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been forced to 482 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 4: use my voice, and yeah, I feel like I can 483 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: help people by speaking out and so, you know, it 484 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it 485 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: at this point. 486 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: I think we all have purpose in life, and some 487 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that 488 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: purpose changes with each season in life. But I think 489 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: you met your moment, and I think maybe you never 490 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: expected to be in the situations where you ended up, 491 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and yet you rose to the occasion in a way 492 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: you probably never could have guessed you would summon that 493 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: level of strength, and that has to be has to 494 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: be a pretty cool experience to look back on that. 495 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, things came together in a way that 496 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 4: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems 497 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 4: sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path. 498 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah. 499 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 6: It's like I said, it's. 500 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: Strengthened me in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I 501 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: would just encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you 502 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: speak the truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing, 503 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 4: it's it's difficult. But after going through a very low point, 504 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm going, you know, I'm rising now. 505 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 4: I'm still in survival mode, but I do have I 506 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: have one win I did. 507 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 6: I sued the FDA in. 508 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 4: One but we have we still have so much more 509 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 4: fighting to do. So yeah, I want I want my 510 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: story to be a triumph, not just survival. 511 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: Well, and that brings us to the next thing and 512 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: what your life looks like and where you see that 513 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: going forward in the near and long term. Obviously you've 514 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: moved your clinic, you have they change. I get emails 515 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: from folks who say they can't get an appointment with you, 516 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: and I say, she's not taking new patients. She has 517 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: her political side and she has her medical side. What 518 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: does that look like for you in the near and 519 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: long term? 520 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I 521 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try. 522 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 4: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than 523 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 4: I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to you know, 524 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: I mean conten us at practice. I think that's key 525 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: because it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's 526 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 4: going on. 527 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: I am going to. 528 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 6: Do a weekly podcast. 529 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 4: I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming 530 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 4: on after her show. It's going to be called on 531 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: Call with doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus 532 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 4: on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate my 533 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: dms on social media. 534 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: Are just flooded with people with. 535 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 4: Questions and requests and I just can't keep up with it. 536 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 4: So I see this as a way, okay, I can. 537 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 4: I can answer the questions that the most people have 538 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 4: and get it all done once a week and give 539 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,239 Speaker 4: people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on 540 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, and 541 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 4: I find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave 542 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: me a voice and it really was helpful. And so 543 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 4: I like giving other people a voice when they've been 544 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 4: you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a 545 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: chance to share their story. 546 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: I find that very gratifying. 547 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: And when will that begin? 548 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: In September, first week of September. It will be on Wednesdays. 549 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: Is it on call? C a l L or c 550 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: a w L because that's the national dish of Wales. 551 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I 552 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: think it would be awesome if you did it as 553 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: on call and people tune in and they think they're 554 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about 555 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that would 556 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: be very Norm McDonald. 557 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 3: That that is the first I've heard. 558 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Of that, so give it some thought, give it some thoughts. 559 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: I could see you being big and Cardiff, and it's 560 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: a whole new audience for you. You know, there's have 561 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: you been to Wales? It's really beautiful. 562 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 3: No, I haven't Wales. 563 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry, no business, 564 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: no hardly anything, just a little resort shop there where 565 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: you hire some guide to go for a hike. And 566 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: I could see that being I could see that being 567 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. There's 568 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: all these different guys out there doing the medical thing. 569 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically but never 570 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: never acknowledge it. That's that would be the memory of 571 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Boden. I am so 572 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: proud to call you my friend. You are really and 573 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: I know you don't take well to compliments. You're like 574 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What you 575 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: have done, the people you have saved, and the voice 576 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: you have found, and your willingness to continue to fight 577 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: and show people to fight the way Trump did after 578 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: he got shot in the head. It's incredibly inspiring. The 579 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: book is dangerous misinformation by it today, the virus, the 580 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: treatment and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you 581 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: for spending an hour with us. 582 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael Yon. 583 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: Do you know what that would cost If we had 584 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: gone into her clinic, It have been on our show 585 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: and they would have been needles involved. Thank you, and 586 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: good night.