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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Edo State

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Speaker 1: is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dan, the calendar is just about to hit July.

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Speaker 2: We're about a week and a half, ten days ish

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Speaker 2: away from July, and that's what I consider the college

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Speaker 2: football preseason to be underway. July is the preseason kicks off. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the cutoff for me is the end of June, the

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Speaker 2: start of July. That's when the preseason hits. And we thought,

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Speaker 2: with the preseason being so close now we can almost

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Speaker 2: taste it. Yeah, we needed to make sure we worked

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Speaker 2: this episode into our arsenal. This is our college football

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Speaker 2: fan therapy episode. We last did this back in February

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Speaker 2: of last year, twenty twenty three. That episode was way

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Speaker 2: more generalized, right, so we talked about our favorite things

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Speaker 1: Of course, what.

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Speaker 2: Have you our least favorite things, the high points, the

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Speaker 2: low points as fans. For this episode, though, we ask

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Speaker 2: people for their moments from last season that we're most

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Speaker 2: traumatizing to them as fans of their teams. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: we were inundated with response anytime you appeal to emotion

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Speaker 2: all corners, and email, all corners of the internet. And

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Speaker 2: today we're going to talk through those traumatic moments. See

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Speaker 2: if we you'll work some stuff out and then plod

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Speaker 2: forward into the preseason if that's okay with you, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the same thing as like you go through a

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Speaker 1: work through what you're going through, and whether that's sitting

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: You got to do some work on yourself, You got

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Speaker 1: And so college football is it's a community sport. We're

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Speaker 1: So let's all bathe in the digital, peaceful jacuzzi together.

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Speaker 2: Got a little bit of the sound as we often do,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're here to be what we're here to be. Therapists.

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Speaker 2: We are, we're trying, we're doing our best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: a quick rhyme pun here Ty, We're here to be

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Speaker 2: I can do better. You can do you matter. I know,

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Speaker 2: I can think about it. Go back to the lab.

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Speaker 1: You picked Ty, You put together this beautiful documentary documentary,

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Speaker 2: You know how high I am on Utah. We have

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Speaker 1: Be back, and the good news is you know, you

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Speaker 2: Hopefully here is a different kind of trauma. Please that

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Speaker 2: is this season to get over that hump, is bringing

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Speaker 2: in a new offensive coordinator, is changing up the way

437
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Speaker 2: that this team hopefully plays offense. Penn State in that

438
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Speaker 2: game was four or fourteen on third downs. They converted

439
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Speaker 2: a couple fourth downs, but by and large it was

440
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Speaker 2: a problem with their offense not being able to move

441
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Speaker 2: the ball that put them in that position. If Penn

442
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Speaker 2: State's offense had been a little bit more capable, Michigan

443
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Speaker 2: might not have had the luxury of running at thirty

444
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Speaker 2: three straight times. So hopefully this year, still got your

445
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Speaker 2: hot shot quarterback, still got your dynamic duo tandem in

446
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Speaker 2: the backfield. Hopefully they can figure something out out wide.

447
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Speaker 2: But I think the promise of maybe a new style

448
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Speaker 2: of offense could help mitigate some of that.

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Speaker 1: I would add externally, Michigan is not going to be

450
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Speaker 1: as good this year, and I don't believe Penn State

451
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Speaker 1: doesn't play Michigan. Right, they do not. So that's a

452
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Speaker 1: great reason Penn State cannot lose to Michigan during the

453
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Speaker 1: regular season this year. Fairpoint. Do they play Ohio State?

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Speaker 2: They do play Ohio State.

455
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Speaker 1: Ohio State bringing back a quarterback, no no, so quarterback

456
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Speaker 1: sort of experience, so that backup quarterbacks that were there

457
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Speaker 1: last year. But if Will Howard is indeed the starter officially,

458
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Speaker 1: Will Howard has had some low moments as a starting

459
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Speaker 1: quarterback major college football program.

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Speaker 2: He has. We got somebody.

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Speaker 1: Somebody wrote, I'm sure I can find this here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super operator, says Will Howard's performance versus Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So in terms of you can internally say, oh,

464
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Speaker 1: Drew Aller getting the full off season as the starter,

465
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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator who might gel better with the receivers,

466
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Speaker 1: might be in a better place. You know, the defense

467
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Speaker 1: is still going to be quite strong, which will keep

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Speaker 1: Penn State or win Penn State games. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a good reason to assume an uptick in Penn State

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Speaker 1: football this year. There's good reason to drink that hopium.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we've covered the confusing, frustrating impatience that

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Speaker 2: comes along with of course, waiting for somebody to heal

473
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Speaker 2: from injury. We've covered the air of inevitability thirty three

474
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Speaker 2: straight runs. Let's talk about the unforeseen, the unpredictable collapse.

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Speaker 2: M Brad writes in to say undefeated Louisville losing to

476
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Speaker 2: pit Heath says Louisville's absolute collapse in their last three games. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 2: the last two to backup quarterbacks. And kind of in

478
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Speaker 2: the same vein. We got other ones that I think

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Speaker 2: fall into this category. Mason writes in about Oklahoma following

480
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Speaker 2: the program's biggest win in five plus years and a

481
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Speaker 2: bye week. Mind you, they escaped at home against three

482
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Speaker 2: and three. UCF lost to Kansas for the first time

483
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Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety seven, then lost to Oklahoma State in

484
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Speaker 2: the final bedroom game at least four now, and in

485
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Speaker 2: those two losses six turnovers and nineteen penalties for one

486
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five yards. Thank you for doing so

487
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Speaker 2: much research for us, Mason. It saved us a little

488
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Speaker 2: bit of work here. But this is another class on

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Speaker 2: its own right. This is I think something that the

490
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Speaker 2: vast majority of college football fans have to deal with,

491
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Speaker 2: and frankly, it's what separates or what has separated the

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Speaker 2: Nick saban led Alabama's and the Georgias, to some extent,

493
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Speaker 2: the Ohio States from the rest of college football in

494
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Speaker 2: that they don't really have those types of games everybody

495
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Speaker 2: else does. Everybody else has had that situation where it

496
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Speaker 2: feels like, man, we're on top of the world, and

497
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Speaker 2: then what the hell happened?

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Speaker 1: In the case of Louisville last year, I suspect many

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Speaker 1: Louisville fans looked at their schedule, looked at how they

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Speaker 1: were performing, looked at the health of their opponents at times,

501
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Speaker 1: looked at the manner in which they were winning games,

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Speaker 1: and look, the Duke game was impressive. I think Riley

503
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Speaker 1: Leonard either was injured in that game or was beat

504
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Speaker 1: up in that game, so they weren't at one hundred

505
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Speaker 1: percent and the good beat him twenty three nil. I

506
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Speaker 1: believe you look at Louisville against Notre Dame, that's a

507
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Speaker 1: no doubt or great performance from Louisville, and I would

508
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Speaker 1: understand why people would be enthusiastic and hopeful for the

509
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Speaker 1: rest of the season about Louisville. But like you see

510
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Speaker 1: other moments and barely beating NC State, coming back to

511
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Speaker 1: be Georgia Tech. I think to start the season like

512
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Speaker 1: it was a good Louisville team. But the difference between

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Speaker 1: good and great, as every fan knows, is the little

514
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Speaker 1: things is pulling out, you know, the clunker performances, and

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Speaker 1: Louisville wasn't good last year to do that. I don't

516
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Speaker 1: think anybody truly believed that Jack Plumber was the strongest

517
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the world and had fully turned a corner

518
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Speaker 1: from where he was at Purdue or cal There was

519
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Speaker 1: a decent quarterback and so this is the difference between teams.

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Speaker 1: And again I think Louisville fans know this that you

521
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: know have been recruiting a roster and building a roster

522
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Speaker 1: for years on end and doing their best in year

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Speaker 1: one to build something competitive, which is what Louisville tried

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Speaker 1: to do last year. But when you get to the

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Speaker 1: end of the season and you're dealing with injuries, and

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with depth concerns, and you're dealing with, you know,

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Speaker 1: a defense as strong as Florida States or a wild

528
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Speaker 1: card team like Kentucky in the rivalry game, or Louisville

529
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Speaker 1: played wet USC in the Bowl game. Yep, another wild

530
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Speaker 1: card situation. You don't know what to expect out of Miller.

531
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Speaker 1: Moss that there were, you know, strong elements to the

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Speaker 1: Louisville defense, but also some pretty suspect ones that that

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Speaker 1: it all happened at the same time. It's tough, man,

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Speaker 1: I get it that you feel like you're reading one

535
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Speaker 1: of those stor that like, you know, the dam in

536
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: Minnesota or whatever it's standing now, but experts are saying, right,

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Speaker 1: it won't be there by twenty thirty one. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're most teams you have that feel as a fan.

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, they won, but they're not going to

540
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: be able to win many more if they play like this.

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Speaker 1: And so the good news for Louisville is it's here too.

542
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Speaker 1: A lot of roster turnover, but the more a coach

543
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: has his fingerprints on a program, the less they're going

544
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Speaker 1: to lose in repeated ways. Hopefully right that if you're

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Speaker 1: a Penn State fan, you might be piping up and

546
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: be like a ah ah. But the good news for

547
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Speaker 1: Louisville is the AEC remains a wild card. They have

548
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Speaker 1: another quarterback with at least a high ceiling we'll see

549
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: in Tyler Shuck and that Jeff Brum has found talent,

550
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: has been able to win big games, and it should

551
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: be easier to do a Louisville than he was able

552
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: to do it Purdue, and that the ACC is sort

553
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 1: of a moving target right now in who's actually going

554
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: to be in the conference long term. Louisville's pretty well

555
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: positioned as a major program. Also, the basketball team might

556
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Speaker 1: be good again soon, so does that well.

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Speaker 2: And on Mason's comment about Oklahoma, Yeah, it is such

558
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: a story of highs and lows. Yes, when you've got

559
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: a team of Oklahoma's caliber, right like Brent Vannibles comes

560
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: in succeeds pretty much right away, I would say like it.

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Speaker 2: It obviously was a bit of an open question asked,

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Speaker 2: all right, what's the defense going to look like?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: With Ted roll.

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Speaker 1: Tape of the twenty twenty two TCU game. If you're

566
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Speaker 1: saying succeeded right away, well.

567
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Speaker 2: What I mean by that is Lincoln Riley was very

568
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Speaker 2: successful there. To bring in a new coach, even one

569
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Speaker 2: who's got a lot of familiarity with it, you don't

570
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: know what you're.

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Speaker 1: Going to get.

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Speaker 2: It is a bit of a coin flip, and I

573
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Speaker 2: think by a large the talent acquisition model has still

574
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: been pretty strong. I get that Oklahoma maybe isn't winning

575
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: as many titles or as many big games as they

576
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Speaker 2: want to start, but I think by and large, now

577
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: as we enter year three with Venables, we can feel

578
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: pretty confident that he's going to be okay. This program

579
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Speaker 2: is not on the verge of bottoming out or anything.

580
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Speaker 2: The issue that I think Mason and other Oklahoma fans

581
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: are going to have this year is with moving to

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Speaker 2: the new conference. In the SEC. Schedule is brutal. The

583
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Speaker 2: schedule is brutal. They are exciting players on that. I'm

584
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: like pumped to see Jackson Arnold in the full season,

585
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: maybe more so than any other new quarterback this year.

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Speaker 2: We've heard so much about him, we saw him in

587
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: limited time last year. I really want to see what

588
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: he can do full SEC season. But that schedule really

589
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: gives you nowhere to hide. And so if anything is

590
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Speaker 2: going to distract you from some of the disappointment and

591
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: the trauma from a year ago, I think just kind

592
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Speaker 2: of put it in the back of your mind that

593
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Speaker 2: we've got a really tough schedule in front of us

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Speaker 2: this year, and keep your expectations somewhat realistic, and if

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Speaker 2: you are able to exceed those expectations, you'll feel like

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: you won the national championship.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the other good news if you're an Oklahoma fan. One,

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Speaker 1: the defense got way better last year, and we'll continue

599
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: to get better because of recruiting, because of you know,

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Speaker 1: year three in a system, and Oklahoma is going to

601
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: win more games because of defense than any of us

602
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: can remember from the modern era. Yes, that's a great

603
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: starting point, given how they've recruited, given the star power returning.

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Speaker 1: I think I think of Peyton Bowen at safety all

605
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: over the place. The other good news is the ceiling

606
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: of Jackson ARDLD. If we're talking about quarterback and defense

607
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: being the playoff combo, jacksonardled at his best. That's what

608
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Looks like I know you're saying it. The

609
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: other great thing about this move to the SEC. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this, And I'm

611
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: not saying Oklahoma overlooked anybody. They certainly don't overlook Oklahoma

612
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Speaker 1: State in a Bedlam game as they lost last year. Close,

613
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Speaker 1: But you play Kansas, you play uc in their first

614
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: year as a major conference team, and maybe there's an assumption.

615
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing here, just full guess, an assumption behind

616
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Speaker 1: the scenes that like, yeah, of course we're gonna win

617
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: this game, and of course we're gonna win this game comfortably,

618
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: and the way in which they lost to Kansas in

619
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Speaker 1: the rain, Jeff Levy's gone by the way criticism of

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Speaker 1: Jeff Levy as an offensive mind among a lot of

621
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma fans. So if that was what you saw, perceived

622
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Speaker 1: to be a solution to Oklahoma's problems, he's gone. And

623
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Speaker 1: while the offensive line is a question, there's still something

624
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Speaker 1: about when you are amongst people who are great at

625
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: what they do, and if you believe that to be

626
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Speaker 1: the case with SEC teams, that the SEC will have

627
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma's full attention in a new way. So like if

628
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Speaker 1: I stuck you on the court with a bunch of

629
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Speaker 1: basketball players who are clearly better than you, you wouldn't

630
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Speaker 1: be going through the motions. You'd be so locked in

631
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: to be like, yep I gotta set more screens, yep

632
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Speaker 1: I got a box out, yep I got to pick

633
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Speaker 1: my spots in a smart way, you'd be That's just

634
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: when you're when you're paired with high level whatever, you

635
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: lock in a little bit iron sharpens iron sharpens iron,

636
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Speaker 1: and so I just don't think Oklahoma is going to

637
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Speaker 1: see itself as like, oh yeah, of course we're gonna

638
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: be ECF comfortably, like of course we're going to be

639
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Tennessee or Alabama or whoever comfortable, because they're not going to

640
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: think that there's going to be extra attention. I feel

641
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: like with these new teams entering new conferences that are

642
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: perceived to be better or deeper or whatever, and so

643
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Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma is going to be more locked in

644
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Speaker 1: this year.

645
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Well they better be, because the final five games of

646
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Speaker 2: the season are at all Atmazoo, they're home against Bama,

647
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: they're at LSU. There's a game in there against the

648
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Speaker 2: vaunted Black Bears of Mean and they're terrifying bear mascot,

649
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: but not a whole lot of breaks in there. You

650
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: couldn't look past any of those teams even if you wanted.

651
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Speaker 2: So we'll see, all right, new class of trauma, Dan, Okay,

652
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Speaker 2: this is the gambling trauma. Yeah, you ever lose a

653
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: bad bet. You're not much of a betting man. Now,

654
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: surely you've made a bet at some point in your

655
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: life and you lost via a bad break or two. Yeah,

656
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: you've been there.

657
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you lose because of a botched extra point

658
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: snap or something just totally random. Yeah, the bad beats

659
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: are the worst.

660
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: I made a bet yesterday or two days ago on

661
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: the French Euro Soccer game. Lost, bad break France. Felt

662
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: like they beat him five nil. Couldn't score, couldn't convert,

663
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: couldn't play well on the game. I forget who they played,

664
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. They killed they It felt like they

665
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: killed him. Score wasn't that big of a disparity, but

666
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: Daniel writes in he says, prior to the season, I

667
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: put twenty bucks on Bonicks to win the Heisman at sixteen.

668
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: To one, one nil over Austria.

669
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: Continued Osha, Aushia is not a bad team. Actually, Bill

670
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: Connolly liked them on the Bonus Show that I did

671
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: last nice twenty dollars bet at sixteen to one on

672
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Boto in the Heisman.

673
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Great.

674
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: Then months later I celebrated my birthday as a huge

675
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: Orgon fan with an early dinner reservation so I could

676
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: get home. Cue the music up, thank you, Yeah, We're

677
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: here with you. Yeah, so I could get home to

678
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: be able to watch the PAC twelve Championship game. Here's

679
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: a quick recap. My team lost the final conference championship

680
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: game of the conference to a bit of rival as

681
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: multiple score favorites losing to said rival three times in

682
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: a calendar year, lost our shot at a playoff, lost

683
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: our chance, lost a chance too in said playoff play

684
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: and what could have been the last quote real Rose

685
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: Bowl Big ten winner against Pac twelve winner hey Bo

686
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: lost a shot at the Heisman. I quote unquote lose

687
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: three hundred bucks and had planned on celebrating my win

688
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: by buying a bow jersey, my first named player jersey.

689
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: Oh on my m fing birthday. Oh so yeah. It

690
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: was a traumatic evening for the Orgon Ducks and me

691
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: on to next season. He says, by the way, hot

692
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: and spicy McChicken small fry ooh, and a mcdouble. So

693
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: we got that one. On the betting front, we also

694
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: got one from David, who says, does losing a bet

695
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: in horrific manner?

696
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: Count?

697
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: Of course it does. If so, it's Oregon's forty five

698
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: yard interception return with about thirty seconds left versus Texas

699
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: Tech for a thirty eight thirty final. I had Texas

700
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: Tech plus five or the LSU seventeen yard interception return

701
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: with about thirty seconds left against Miszoo for the forty

702
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: nine to thirty nine final. I had Miszoo plus five

703
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: and a half. I think I had Miszoo in that

704
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: one too. We also got a text message from our

705
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: friend Tim Murray, who also lamented the way that Oregon

706
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Texas Tech game shook out.

707
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: That's a real bad beat. Yeah, that was a super

708
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: mazy poona. I think was the Oregon pick six a.

709
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: Super bad beat. And you've got one of those deals

710
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: where it's like inside a one score, feels like you

711
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: got it, and then suddenly air out of the balloon.

712
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: That's a bad beat. I've been there, man, more times

713
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: than I care to admit. Mace Funa was Washington State?

714
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: Excuse me it was? I think it was Jeff bassa

715
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: Basa linebacker. Oh that's tough. I don't feel that bad though.

716
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the myself. Yeah, here's another one.

717
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: We got a bunch of these from from from Zachary

718
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: who else? Here? Let me see from Caleb the soul

719
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: crushing end of game loss. And this takes on a

720
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: couple different forms. This is the Hail Mary losses Virginia

721
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: losing forty one to thirty nine at the Gun to Houston.

722
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: There is also the thing that happened in Miami with

723
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: the we should an yield. Alex tweeted us a picture,

724
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: just a picture still frame of the end of the

725
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: Miami Georgia Tech game. He referred to it as Spain,

726
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: but without the s. Yeah, let's work through the soul

727
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: crushing loss, the stomach punch loss at the end of

728
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: a game.

729
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Okay, So it depends on the manner. So if you

730
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: lose a game on a hail Mary, it's pretty horrific,

731
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: But it's also a freak play. Mathematically, it's a freak occurrence.

732
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: And so at least hypothetically, I'm not gonna say I would,

733
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: but at least you could tell yourself that, like if

734
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: that's how they had to win in like a crazy

735
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: prayer way, you can just say it's just a bad luck,

736
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: bad beat. Now, that's a rational part of your brain

737
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: saying that. Right when you watch it, in that moment,

738
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: you want to throw yourself through a plate glass wall.

739
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: So I get how horrific that is and how that lingers.

740
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: The thing that I think should linger even more is

741
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: when it's a situation that never should have happened, either

742
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: because of a bad call or because of a series

743
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: of events that leading up to that never should have happened,

744
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: or you know, a penalty like I I genuinely like

745
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: as happy as I was in the moment when if

746
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: you remember when Oregon beat Oklahoma on the on side kick,

747
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: I want to say two thousand and six, that didn't

748
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: look like it went ten yards and Oregon still had

749
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: to drive down the field to win that game. Like

750
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: when you lose a game that never should have played

751
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: out in the way it did, that stuff that lingers

752
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: to me. That's and maybe it was you know, Michael

753
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: Michael Dyer's arm being down or not being down or whatever.

754
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: That's the come up in so that the universe gave

755
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: to Oregon fans because of the the onside kick against

756
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma all those years later. But when you have the

757
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: no call, when you have clearly off sides, when you

758
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: have you know, didn't call the time out until after

759
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: the field goal, it was snapped. The field goal play

760
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: was snapped, Like just weird occurrences like that that it

761
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 1: never should have happened. That's that's the sleepless night right there. Yeah,

762
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: you always whatever.

763
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: You always sort of roll your eyes a little bit

764
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: when you lose on a hail Mary or when you

765
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: lose on a freak play. I mean I would, I

766
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: would categorize what happened in Miami as kind of a

767
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: freak situation. Yeah, and in that except it had happened

768
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: previously with Mark, and there was certainly a way to

769
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: mitigate that. But you always sort of roll your eyes.

770
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: It's a very unsettling feeling too, when your team loses

771
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: in that manner, knowing that your team was good enough

772
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: to win and should have won, but through some strange

773
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: quirk of the universe did not.

774
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: What helps me during games, maybe it doesn't help you,

775
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. But if I'm rooting for a team, pro, college, whatever,

776
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and they're down ten to three, fourteen six or something,

777
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: but the other team has needed weird you know, like

778
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: a scoop and score to score one of those touchdowns,

779
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: or a trick play to score one of those touchdowns.

780
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: And isn't just like rolling out a running back getting

781
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: seven and a half yards of carry where like this,

782
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: If this is what a team needs to get to

783
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: this point, it's not necessarily a sustainable strategy So that's

784
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: a way to sort of stay within yourself a little

785
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: bit on the couch that you're like, yes, I know

786
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: we're down fourteen to three early, but it was like

787
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: a weird tipped pick six and like a short field

788
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: thing on a fumbled kickoff return that got them there.

789
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: That's not something that can sustain over four quarters for

790
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: them to win this game. So I don't panic as

791
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: much knowing that, like, they can't win like this. Probably

792
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: sometimes they do, but that helps in those situations that

793
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: we're like West Virginia is not going to lose on

794
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: a hail Mary three straight weeks now. It's just not

795
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: going to happen mathematically, So that helps. It doesn't really

796
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: make you feel all the way better, but losing on

797
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: a hail Mary, it's gutting, but you're like, it's a

798
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: just it's a freak, one in a million moment, that's all.

799
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: It is.

800
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: Another class of disappointment of trauma. Let's go to Patreon,

801
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: Zach and Janey. Yeah, Zach rides in to say the one,

802
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: am Meil Tucker.

803
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: News drop oh man. Yeah.

804
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: The rest of the season that followed was obviously traumatic.

805
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: I barely slept a wink that Saturday night, and then

806
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: Janey writes in to say about the whole Northwestern hazing

807
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: scandal the worst, and she says a shameless attempt to

808
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: slide it all under the rug with an off season

809
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: announcement late on a Friday. The way they handled initial

810
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: communications was very poor. The subsequent firing of Pat Fitzgerald,

811
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: the sad performance of everyone but then the interim coach

812
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: at Big Ten media days, and finally the complete lack

813
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: of accountability by the administration to take any blame for

814
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: what unfolded. Kudos to David Brawn for a more positive

815
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: season than I expected. I'm looking forward to sailgating at

816
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: the lacrosse field next season. Of course, so there is

817
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: this whole other feeling of the rug being pulled out

818
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: from under you that is completely unrelated to football.

819
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

820
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: It's when it feels like the administration, the coaching staff,

821
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: the port system that in most cases is very well

822
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: paid around the team lets the team down. Now, I

823
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: hope this one, in both cases, is easier to recover from.

824
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: Anytime you've got a scandal, it's dicey. Yeah, I've been there, Janie,

825
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: I know what that is like. But moving past hopefully

826
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: the people that were in the wrong and towards a

827
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: new regime at least gives you a fresh start. So

828
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: from a football standpoint, I can't speak to like the

829
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: machinations of the administration and how they handle Situa handled terribly.

830
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, we're not gonna laud it the

831
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: way that anybody handled that, But hopefully from a football standpoint,

832
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: which is what we cover most on this show, moving

833
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: forward with a new coach, with new people in charge

834
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: should give you a breath of fresh air. Now, I

835
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: think what Northwestern did by again, I'm not going to

836
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: speak to the whole communication misfiring with respect to Pat Fitzgerald,

837
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: but keeping David broughn On I thought was a really

838
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: savvy move, and I think hiring Jonathan Smith was a

839
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: savvy move on the Michigan State side of things as well.

840
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: So I think you look at those two scenarios moving

841
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: forward into twenty twenty four to the extent that you

842
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: can put the bad stuff behind you now having two

843
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: new coaches that seemingly are are pretty capable and kind

844
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: of know the lay of the land now, given where

845
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: things have come from there, I'm hopeful that that will

846
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: be a little bit easier to recover from from a

847
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: fans standpoint. From a fan standpoint, yeah, I get the

848
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: sort of Pat Fitzgerald and the Meltucker thing independent of

849
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: each other because they were very different. Although it was

850
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: you know, under the broader mbrella of a scandal. The

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: Meltucker thing is just like, I mean, they're both kind

852
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: of out of nowhere. You wake up to the news

853
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: with Meltucker right because it was the middle of the

854
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: night thing, the suspension and then obviously the dismissal and

855
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: the manner and the reasoning for everything. But it's also

856
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: Meltucker had provided a good amount of hope up early

857
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: on the recruiting the transfer stuff. At the same time,

858
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: like Ohio State continues to rise, Michigan continues to rise,

859
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: Penn State solid, and Michigan State got a taste of it.

860
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: Mel Tucker was the guy who's going to get them

861
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: that taste back from the what early twenty teens with

862
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: his recruiting, with his pedigree both as you know, a

863
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: brief head coach and a Georgia coordinator Alabama position coach,

864
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: that Michigan State was again going to rise up. The

865
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: Northwestern thing is just like nobody know. Nobody knew in

866
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: that moment what a Northwestern football program was going to

867
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: be like without Pat Fitzgerald because he had been there

868
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: for so long, you know, modern era Northwestern football program.

869
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: It was royalty at North Ristern.

870
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: And so for as many people that criticized his inability

871
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: to ever figure out offense and sort of squander all

872
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: those good I think it was Mike Hankins was the

873
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: long time successful defensive coordinator squander what we're consistently like,

874
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: really really strong Northwestern defense. It certainly out performing expectations.

875
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: It seemed every year. It didn't seem like there was

876
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: like a call for Northwestern to fire Pat Fitzgerald because

877
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: he was wasting one side of the ball so often

878
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: that you have the old What was it like responding

879
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: to criticism of his offense? What was You can send

880
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: me an email or tweet me at like what was

881
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: the please look it up right now? It was like,

882
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't It was like something at I don'tcare dot com.

883
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: There was a great Pat Fitzgerald like non answer. Anyway.

884
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: My email address is hashtag I don't care.

885
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes like three different platforms. It's great. My

886
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: email address is hashtag I don't care dot com. So

887
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: I get it because you also then are like scrambling

888
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: for information for updates and who's the interim or who,

889
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: And if you're a Michigan State fan, you've been looking

890
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: forward to the season all off season long, and then

891
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: you're like, Oh, I guess we're just gonna be bad

892
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: all year. We're not going to have a head coach.

893
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: People are gonna bail, Like the coaching situation isn't going

894
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: to be resolved for a long time, you know, in

895
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: football term, football speak, calendar whatever, and you're just like, so,

896
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: there's just not much to look forward to and enjoy

897
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: in this limited amount of time. I get the trauma

898
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: that you're probably still feeling from that. But you know,

899
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith, I think the upside there and what he

900
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: did turning around Oregon State and Aidan Childs certainly is

901
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: a bright spot and his ceiling like it's not going

902
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: to be this here likely, but you'll get to have

903
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: fun watching the building blocks hopefully.

904
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Dan. I believe you have a little bit more sentimental music,

905
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: something a little bit stronger that we could play right now.

906
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Right here. Stronger, I mean, I have a babbling brook.

907
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I can add the music and over.

908
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: It there's a little bit of Augusta National.

909
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: It is a little bit.

910
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to make wide of this, but I'm

911
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. These are the scenarios that

912
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: I think unitus as fans, Okay, and any of the

913
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: ones that we've discussed, I think if you're a rival fan,

914
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: it'd be easy to sort of, am I detecting a

915
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Japanese flute?

916
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: What is that something? Yeah, it's a would wind of

917
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: some kind.

918
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: Of wood wind of some kind of reed instrument.

919
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: If you will, I'm letting it go, ty, you better

920
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: keep it together, just bring it down just a little bit, Okay,

921
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: thank you.

922
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing that unites us all,

923
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: even if you're a fan of a rival team.

924
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: The devastating injury, oh yeah. My earliest recollection of this

926
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: was the Willis McGahee injury in the National Championship game,

927
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: when it was very clear with the replays that Willis

928
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: mcgahee's knee was not going to be put back together

929
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: in the same way. Certainly, and we've seen this on

930
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: occasion in the high level sports. It just is the

931
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: nature of the beast. But Jordan Travis breaking his leg

932
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: last season, as Stony writes in as as Mike tweeted

933
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: a picture of the final playoff field. I understand where

934
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: they're going with this. The level of disappointment that goes

935
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: along with losing your star player to a devastating injury

936
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: that you know is going to have a drastic impact

937
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: on the remainder of your season. That sucks. There is

938
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: nowhere to hide. And I would say it's even harder

939
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: if your team, like Florida State last year, is having

940
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: a really good campaign, is on the verge of playing

941
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: for a national championship or in our world, playing to

942
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: get into the playoff. Florida State won the acc Florida

943
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: State left out of the playoff. It was all basically

944
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: because of the Jordan Travis thing with him breaking his leg.

945
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: And I think, like I said, it is one of

946
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: those deals where unless you're a real sicko, unless you're

947
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: a real sicko and you just don't care about humanity,

948
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: that type of thing is like really really the hardest,

949
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: the hardest among all of these to try and reconcile.

950
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: It's impossible to watch that.

951
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: Well because it's also you sort of feel that the short,

952
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: medium and long term ramifications, and it doesn't all happen

953
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: at the same time. At first, you're like, oh no,

954
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with this game? Oh No, what's gonna

955
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: happen with his career? Oh No, what's gonna happen with

956
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: the a SEC Championship game, what's gonna happen with the playoff?

957
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: Hits you in waves, It hits you in waves.

958
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all not all at the same time, but yeah,

959
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: you start processing multiple things. Yeah, it's tough, man, absolutely brutal,

960
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: absolutely brutal, Dan, you help Jordan Travis's is on the road, recovery,

961
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: has an NFL career of some kind, makes a bunch

962
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: of money. I hope, man, I hope. And then you

963
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: start you're like, if you're a Florida State fan of

964
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: that moment, then you have to pivot to, well, they

965
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: can't hold this against us because we still haven't lost,

966
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: we still haven't lost. Well, how they leave us out?

967
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: Like there is still something honorable about including us an

968
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: undefeated power conference program and even if it's going to

969
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong once we play Michigan or whoever in

970
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: the playoff, like we should be honored. Of course, it

971
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: was a double whammie right then you get to experience

972
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: it further down the road.

973
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: One of the most acute sources of trauma in our

974
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: world is that sense of being left behind or being

975
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: lapped by a rival. And course, and and that I

976
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: guess feeling of being left out obviously applies to a

977
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: playoff team that gets left out. Now hopefully won't be

978
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: as much of a deal now that they've expanded the

979
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: playoff field.

980
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, you're not gonna be Yeah, you're not gonna be

981
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: a Power conference champion and not in the playoff.

982
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Hopefully some of that has been resolved now

983
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: as we've expanded the playoff, But that doesn't do much

984
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: for Flora's date last season. They still got to deal

985
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: with that and the frankly traumatic nature by which they

986
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: were left out of the playoff.

987
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: That sucks. And Buddy, I watched Dennis Dixon's Yeah give

988
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: Out in the turf Tucson, Arizona, like there is just

989
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: watching watching hopes dissolve into the turf. It's first from

990
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: a like feeling bad for the player perspective, and then

991
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: feeling bad for the team, and then of course, most importantly,

992
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: feeling bad for yourself. And all of the emotional weight

993
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: you've put into the season. The thing about catastrophic sports injuries,

994
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: as fans, you remember where you were when you saw

995
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: it happen. Everybody's got a handful of those moments in

996
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: their lives. But I remember where I've been when some

997
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: of these injuries have occurred.

998
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: I remember bad Curtis. Yeah, I was at my friend's

999
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: house watching the Willis mcgahey thing. Yeah, who is the

1000
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 2: dude from Louisville? The Kevin I can't think Kevin where.

1001
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: The yeah basketball basketball player?

1002
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, had had the horrible injury of it, Like I

1003
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: remem Bo Jackson's solid white will not watch basketball with

1004
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: me ever again because of that Kevin Waer injury. Like

1005
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: I know players' names who weren't consequential players but because

1006
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: of their injury, Like Ryan Podrell was a fullback for

1007
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: USC and like two thousand and eight or something who

1008
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: had a terrible like ankle break in the middle of

1009
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: a game. Brutal, Yeah, brutal, absolutely brutal. All right, let's

1010
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: go rapid fire through a few of these other ones

1011
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: that we got. We got so many that came in.

1012
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: I want to try and get to his many. Please

1013
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: please please remember our good friend Robert from over at

1014
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: a Lioneyboard, dot com or eye. Of course, of course

1015
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: he calls out the fin He was on our show

1016
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: a couple times. Calls out the final six Illinois games.

1017
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: One twenty seven to twenty four at Maryland on the

1018
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: last second field goal, lost to Wisconsin on a touchdown

1019
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: pass to an offensive lineman twenty seven seconds left, and

1020
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: eighty five yard touchdown drive in the final minute to

1021
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: beat Minnesota by one, an overtime touchdown to Indiana, lost

1022
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: fifteen thirteen at Iowa, and forty five forty three to

1023
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: Northwestern when a two point conversion failed. That, my friends,

1024
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: is a full life. That is a full life the

1025
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: final back half of the season. Robert, thank you for

1026
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: sending that up.

1027
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Well, just it can't happen two years in a row,

1028
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: like a string of unfortunate events for anybody, right that

1029
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: there's just not going to be a stretch like that

1030
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: two years in a row. That like, maybe Illinois will

1031
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: just lose every game by fourteen, hopefully not if you're

1032
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: an Illinois fan. But the universe evens out boring an

1033
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: excitement and you'll probably have a less eventful year this year. Now,

1034
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: the hope for Illinois fans is, of course that like

1035
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: offensive line improves, that the defense improves that you know,

1036
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: I think it's Terrence Brooks, the Texas corner who's coming over,

1037
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: and Zakari Franklin the Ole miss and Utsa receiver. He's

1038
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: reunited with a coordinator maybe more Luke Altmeyer experience is

1039
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: helpful like that. There is a little bit of like

1040
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: that mix of stability in fresh faces for Illinois that

1041
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: they sort of are what they are, and that means

1042
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: they win type games and lose to more talented teams.

1043
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: And they returned to where they were on defense under

1044
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Walters a couple of years ago, and more of

1045
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: the like Bela ma Ball on offense, you know, beefy

1046
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: successful football that they're just not going to have that

1047
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: dramatic stretch. They're not going to be drama queens this year.

1048
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: All right, some other ones here, Andrew rides in to say,

1049
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: air Force going zero to four in November. I'm glad

1050
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: somebody called out air Force because I recall vividly you

1051
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: and I talking about air Force basically bottoming out, and

1052
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: that's quarterback health. Quarterback got hurt, right as a result,

1053
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: it kind of threw everything into a bit of a tailspin.

1054
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 2: But there was this sense of, you know, like many

1055
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 2: people out at forballers dot Com, we talk about these

1056
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: games and what's going on across all college football, not

1057
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: just the power conferences, on a weekend, week out basis.

1058
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: And air Force. Air Forces a team that people are

1059
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: interested in because they run a cool offense and because

1060
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: they've got this record for being I think, a pretty

1061
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: reliable team. And when suddenly it felt like it was

1062
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: going off the skids, it was like, Hm, what's going

1063
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: on here? What's going on here? So we talked a

1064
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: lot about Air Force and I share in the frustration, Andrew,

1065
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

1066
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, by the way, I really enjoyed the

1067
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: way Bill Connolly phrased it in his Mountain West preview

1068
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: and saying we take air Force for granted too much

1069
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: because they have been so solidly good that, especially in

1070
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: a conference like the Mountain West that has seen turbulence

1071
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: with San Diego State and Boise State and Fresno State,

1072
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: that Air Force, like, you root for a team that

1073
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: is consistently strong, it seems, or at least in the

1074
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: last few years, you take away the twenty twenty COVID year.

1075
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: They're like, there's a bedrock element to Air Force football,

1076
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: which hopefully you can lean on.

1077
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: Drew rides into say Mississippi State seven, Arkansas three, and

1078
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm a Mississippi State fan.

1079
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well day, Jeff Levy. On the plus side, you know,

1080
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Speaker 1: offense should be better.

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Speaker 2: A very ugly win is definitely its own class of trauma,

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Speaker 2: maybe not as traumatic as some of the ones we

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Speaker 2: described here, because you can always lose ugly.

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Speaker 1: If you're winning ugly, it's always on the table that

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Speaker 1: you lose ugly too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also a shout out to Drew here, who has my

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Speaker 2: jam when it comes to fast food menu. Oh item,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Chick fil a spicy chicken sandwich guy. You

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Speaker 2: know this spout? Yeah, and I like the version of

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Speaker 2: it now with the pepper jack cheese and the tomatoes

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Speaker 2: and the lettuce on it. He goes no pickle, I

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Speaker 2: go pickle, but I also go fries just like him.

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Speaker 2: I don't go I don't go with the t but

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Speaker 2: that is my go to order of the spicy chicken sandwich.

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Speaker 1: What is yours at Chick fil A? No?

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Speaker 2: Just in general, my go to fast food, go to

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Speaker 2: fast food order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm getting fast food, I'm just in the

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Speaker 1: mood for something greasy and fast here. Yeah, it probably

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Speaker 1: is Chick fil A. It's pretty close by, and I'll

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Speaker 1: probably just go a spicy chicken sandwich, extra pickle fry,

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Speaker 1: honey mustard, and barbecue sauce. I think Chick fil a

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Speaker 1: sauce is fine. I don't dislike it, but it's not

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Speaker 1: my go to, and I will pick off a few

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00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: nuggets that my kids don't eat. In addition, I think

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Speaker 1: it's I think the Chick fil A spicy chicken sandwich

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Speaker 1: is kind of a perfect food.

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Speaker 2: We've got a tweet here from mel Brooks needs the

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Speaker 2: Presidential Medal of Freedom. Hey why not? Okay, Bama's centers

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Speaker 2: now Ohio State Center, by the way. Yeah, McLaughlin his

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00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: inability to shotgun of football against Maryland or Maryland Michigan,

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00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: excuse me, Michigan a bit of a different scenario. Yeah,

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00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: the inexplicable mistake is one of those deals, and obviously

1114
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: a bad snap, especially after there had been many other

1115
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: bad snaps, is very frustrating. I would group in with

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Speaker 2: this the weird scenarios that punt returners, kick returners, gunners

1117
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: find themselves in where it's very easy to muff a punt,

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Speaker 2: to commit kick catch.

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Speaker 1: In her favorite, it's sort of the routine fundamental error

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Speaker 1: right where you're like, this is the basic thing that

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00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: we should be doing correct, right that like you're dropping

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00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: an open pass in which you're not even running right,

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Speaker 1: you run a hitch route three yards past the first

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00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: down sticks and you just drop it. It just goes through

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Speaker 1: your butter fingers, and you know, please, let me be

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Speaker 1: the first to say I would one hundred percent if

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00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: I were a college football player, if I were an

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Speaker 1: NFL player, I would be making the routine fundamental errors.

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Speaker 1: But it's the bad hold, it's the bad snap, it's

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Speaker 1: the have a quarterback wrapped up but you can't bring

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00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: them down, slips out of your grasp, like the routine

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Speaker 1: fundamental like nine out of ten times, ninety five out

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: of one hundred times non issue, and in a crucial

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00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: moment or a crucial game becomes an issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's not exactly the same. But we

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00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: got the hunting from Tiger Chant who said that it

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Speaker 2: hurt really badly, and it included a video way back

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Speaker 2: in like Week three. I want to say the early

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: part of the season last year when Clemson lost to

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Speaker 2: Florida State. Yeah, and he included the video of Kate

1141
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: club Nick getting sacked, he fumbles, Florida State scoops and

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01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: scores and they end up going up to touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: It was like thirty one no, no, no, it was Clemson

1144
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: could have gone up two touchdowns, didn't lead until winning

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Speaker 1: the game.

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01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's right.

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: So they were driving up a touchdown, could have gone

1148
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: up to Florida State, has the scoop and score to

1149
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Speaker 1: tie the game.

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Speaker 2: It's right in front of you. I'm misreading you. Excuse me,

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01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: Tiger Chant. My apologies. Yeah, you're right. The scoop and

1152
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: score kind of out of nowhere when it feels like

1153
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: momentum is going in your direction. Nice little whipsaw there right, nice,

1154
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: like like.

1155
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: Being thrown into a tub of cold water. It's a

1156
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: fourteen point swing, yeah, big swing. It's and you know

1157
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: what else it is. It's this is what I say

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01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: out loud to nobody in particular. When this happens to

1159
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: my team or any team, you can rationalize, oh, look,

1160
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: my team's getting pushed around, or that this team is

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01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: getting pushed around, and it's clear that, like they're just

1162
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: not going to be able to sustain for four quarters

1163
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: and they lose a game by you know, they lose

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Speaker 1: a game thirty seven to twenty, and like, yep, that's

1165
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: probably what should have happened, given the rhythms of that game.

1166
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: But when it's a scoop and score, when it's a

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: tipped pass that should have been intercepted but then the

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: receiver catches it and runs it in, it's like, well

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01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Ricardo Lewis for Auburn all those years ago. It's to

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Speaker 1: nobody in particular, I just lean back on my couch

1171
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and I say, not like this, guys, not like not.

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Speaker 1: It's okay to lose if you just yeah, we're not

1173
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: as good, but don't lose like this. Don't not like this.

1174
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Speaker 1: Not like this. That's what I.

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Speaker 2: Feel, speaking of going from highs to Low's. Yeah, Bennett

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: rides in with a really good one. I don't mean

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Speaker 2: the laugh, but this one is so true. Talk about

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Speaker 2: being on top of the world, having college game Day

1179
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: come to your campus. I'm talking about James Madison. Yeah,

1180
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: do you remember the hype around JMU getting game? Of

1181
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: course in advance of that app State game. You know,

1182
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: app State had ups and downs. App State. I don't

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: mean any ill will towards app State. App State. I

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: don't think is Azam wasn't a better place last year. Yeah,

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01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: JMU was in better place. App State is not as

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Speaker 2: bulletproof as they've been. I think in our time of

1187
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: doing this podcast, right, they've had plenty of changes, people

1188
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: have come and gone. Still a very good program. Yeah,

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01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: but JMU wasn't a better place last year. Host a

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Speaker 2: game day, app State comes to town, app State beats

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Speaker 2: him in overtime, beat him in overtime. Talk about an

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: absolute all time stomach punch in the middle of a

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: great season and then on top of it, you lose

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: the coach or a bunch of outgoing transfers. JMU is

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: now at this FBS level because they've had a lot

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: of success at the FCS ranks, and my hunch is

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: that they will be just fine. They kind of know

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01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: what they're doing there. But the tandem of things that

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: went down with losing that game, with game day in town,

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: and then with losing your coach and a bunch of players,

1201
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: that's just a dagger an absolute dagger man awful. Yeah,

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01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: absolute dagger, Daniel. We have so many more of these.

1203
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: We can save some of them for a bonus episode,

1204
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: which you'll drop out on Patreon on Thursday. Yes, I

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: want to thank everybody for writing in. Again, far too

1206
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: many of these for us to get through in one episode.

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it would take forever to go through all

1208
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 2: of these. And we've got all sorts of good ones

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: that I want to discuss with you, and all of

1210
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: them valid but very vow like. Of course you're going

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: to have some like me. Had some Michigan people write in.

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Speaker 2: They gloated a little bit.

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01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: If they felt no trauma, felt no trauma, right, It

1214
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: probably was on a certain level dealing with the off

1215
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: field stuff, I mean, and losing Jim Harbaugh, and I

1216
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: understand that you probably have some moments, some dips, but

1217
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a good year.

1218
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: It was a good year. We had some other ones

1219
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: writing in about like what if the transfer goes south?

1220
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: The whole Jeff Simms experienced Slater right said with Jeff Simms,

1221
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah understand the trauma there, Slater completely, So many really

1222
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: really valid ones. We appreciate people opening up. Dan, give

1223
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 2: me some music if you could. Oh, of course, being vulnerable,

1224
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 2: being willing to work through the tough times, getting ready

1225
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: to build towards the twenty twenty four season, or hopes

1226
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: brings eternal.

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01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing, Yeah, thank you your innermost feelings,

1228
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: and it's meaningful to us that you were able to

1229
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: open up and we were able to work through it. Again,

1230
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: everything you said valid, Everything you said was true in

1231
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: our eyes as being traumatizing. And so may these heaps

1232
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: of emotional disasters be thrown upon all of your enemies

1233
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and flip it around for you

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01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: as you coast into the sunny horizon.

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: That was beautiful, Dan, Yeah, that was beautiful. For that,

1236
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: Go there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: Hilda Brand, thanks for tuning in here, for working through

1238
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: all this stuff with us. Tune in next week for

1239
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: more college football content as ever in the meantime, for

1240
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: Ballers dot com is where you can go for our

1241
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: Patreon ad free episodes, bonus content, Join the Discord community

1242
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: talk through some of these points and much much more. Uh,

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: you know the deal, Stay solid, Peace,