1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Mike d producer of the Bobby Cast, 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of you guys have been asking, so 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: here it is the full, unedited version of our interview 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: with Keith Urban in its entirety, and in case you 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: missed it, it's all right here for you. And also, 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: if you want to watch the interview, it's up on 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel. Just search Bobby Cast on YouTube. I've 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: also linked it in the episode description so you can 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: watch the Keith Urban interview and then click around and 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: watch some of the other interviews from this year. But 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: here it is Keith Urban and its entirety here on 12 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast alright, and with Keith Urban, which is 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Caitlin sends her best my wife. She just said, Keiths 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: coming over. I said, yeah, she said, tell him, first 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: of all, thank you for the wedding gift you send. 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: It's the nicest sheets we've ever owned in our entire life. 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: You should stay in more often, you know. I She 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: got onto me a little bit because you probably don't 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: do this, but I still have two. At times I 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: have to spray tan yeah, okay, And I got into 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: the sheets and spray tan one and she reminded me 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: how nice of sheets they were, and then I should 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: never do that again. And then you reminded her how 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: much expensive tanning was and it didn't work. The tanning 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: does not really hold a candle to the she but 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: they weren't destroyed and they all came out wonderfully. But 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: she said, tell him thank you, And she had even asked, 28 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: and you tell me because we had written you and 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: your lovely wife and thank you card, but we thought 30 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: we would just mail it instead of handing it to you, 31 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: which would have been more awkward to hand it to 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: you in person, or just to get it in like 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: a normal in the mail both of mine. Yeah, and 34 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: you could have even not send it, but tell me 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: that you did what they counts. I said that to 36 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: to people, and I said, hey, what if I just 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: send people a message for a wedding gift like a 38 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: video message? Felt human and that, And I said, but 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: everybody just roasted me like it was the dumbest thing 40 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: they had ever heard, because they just loved the tradition 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: of the hand. If someone sent to me a thank 42 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: you card for something I expected thank you card for, 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it means as much if I 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: get a thank you card for something I don't expect 45 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: to thank you. Absolutely, that's awesome, I hear you. Yeah, 46 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a complicated etiquette, isn't it? Is this back home? 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Is it so? Etiquette back in like Australia New Zealand 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: is a dumb American thing where we have this, you know? 49 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Is this? Is this the thing there with after if 50 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: someone gets married. Back in New Zealand, I had to 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: learn the whole thing about thank you gods and because 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with any of that, and I 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: think my family was not that etiquette at all. Etiquette 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: they were not at all. I I had to learn 55 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: the hard way here that you're right thank you notes 56 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: to people. That was that was completely foreign to me. 57 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I remember once you were kind enough to invite me 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: over to your place. It was a Christmas and we 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: were in Australia and you said, hey, you should come over, 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,279 Speaker 1: and I was talking to you about music in Australia 61 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: New Zealand and country music in particular. I was like, 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: what is country music like here? And you you had 63 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: kind of expressed to me that country music there is 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of am like it's a different kind of homebred 65 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: folksy country in Australia. That's some of the the American 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: version is getting over there, but it's hard to find 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: country music on the radio in Australia. Well, the struggle 68 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: for Australian country artists is there isn't the big mainstream 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: infrastructure that there is here in America. You know, here 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: we have FM country stations everywhere, satellite radio, you've got 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: multiple video platforms. This is even preceding YouTube, with CMT 72 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: and and g a C. None of that existed in Australia. 73 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of country out us wanting 74 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: to make more mainstream sounding country music, but there wasn't 75 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: the platforms for it. And to some degree that's still 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a struggle there. So how growing up there did you 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: attach yourself to the thought of country music and that 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: that's the kind of music you wanted to make, or 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: were you naturally just making it and it was the 80 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: most organic place for you to fit musically here? It well, 81 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean Nashville was just the destination because why why 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: why was it the destination? It was written on the 83 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: back of all the records that my dad had, um 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Don Williams mostly and Glenn Campbell, Charlie Pride, Merle Haggard. 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: All of those records all sat on the back of 86 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: them recorded Nashville, Tennessee. So as a kid, I'm like, oh, 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: that's where you go to make records period. I just 88 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: thought that's where you go if you want to make 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: a record. But how did your dad get so involved 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: in music from Nashville? Because not not at all was 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: from Nashville. You're talking about country music, like other than 92 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Nashville Skyline, you know, there's there weren't a 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: lot of I don't know if pop would be the 94 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: word or Nashville wasn't big unless it was country American. 95 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: How did your dad get involved in that scene? Musically? So, 96 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: in the fifties he was playing in a band. In 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: the fifties he was a drummer and he played in 98 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: band called the Ricochets in New Zealand and in the fifties. 99 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Rock and roll happened in the mid fifties right, so 100 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: made its way down to New Zealand. My dad got 101 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with rock and roll and consequently American these American cars. 102 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: We always had American cars growing up, which is crazy 103 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: in Australia. And he was just in love with America, 104 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: and he loved rock and roll in the fifties, all 105 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: through the sixties, and then in the late sixties when 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: rock and roll kind of went in a in a bigger, 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: kind of different direction than I mean, the origins of 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: rock and roll is really rockabilly, you know, there was 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: there was a country element in early rock and roll. 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: So when rock then became more rock as we knew 111 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: it through the sixties seventies, my dad went, that's kind 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: of a little too hard for me. And here's the connection. 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: There was a group called O Poso Sako Singers, which 114 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: was a folk group in the sixties, and one of 115 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: the members of that group was a guy called Donald Williams. 116 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: And then he broke away from that group, dropped that 117 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: Donald became domn Williams and went country, and my dad 118 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: just followed him. That was really it. And so you 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: growing up listening to that music, that was your music 120 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: in the house. Yeah, yeah, Well, and my mom loved 121 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Neil Diamond Everly Brothers. My brother was into E l 122 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: O and Super Tramp and Eagles and Fleet with Mac 123 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: so that was old of fusion. How proficient was your 124 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: dad with a guitar? Terrible with guitar great with drums, 125 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: but terrible anguitar. So for you, was it drums at 126 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: first or were other people playing a guitar around you 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, think that that's it for me? No, 128 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: they said that Mom and dad brought me a ukulele 129 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: when I was five, and I guess it's a toy, 130 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and and my dad said I could strum 131 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: it in time with songs on the radio. Wasn't playing 132 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: any chords, but the rhythm was there, so um rhythm, 133 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: which I mean possibly from him, definitely. Yeah, And my 134 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: grandfather played piano, so all of my dad's brother's role musical, trumpet, piano, guitar, drums, 135 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: four brothers, so it was all musical. And and I 136 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: just took the guitar, I guess because of the ukulele. 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Was he the dad that wanted you to follow in 138 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: his few footsteps of Hey, if I'm musical, I think 139 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: it's called that your musical, or like so many people 140 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: in the creative world, that's I've seen what a beast 141 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: this can be. Like I would like to push you 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: away from it, unless you push so hard back that 143 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: you want to get in it. Yeah, that that was it. 144 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Definitely because I I heded, I wasn't very disciplined as 145 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: a kid. I don't know if you can relate to that, Bobby, 146 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: But were you disciplined as a kid, because as now, yes, 147 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: because of the addiction that my mom had and my 148 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: dad left, you know, because I was by myself with 149 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: my dad bailing out when I was six, my mom 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: being a drug addict her entire life. I was so 151 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: disciplined that I couldn't go down that path or I 152 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: was going to just go down the path and live 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: in that path. Um. So you know, even today, I've 154 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: never had a drink of alcohol because I feel the 155 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: addict in me with other things I do. So I 156 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: am extremely disciplined until i'm not, and then I'm off 157 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: the end and I have to find and I don't 158 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: know if you have to do this at times. Well, 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: I have to find my healthy addictions. And I don't 160 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: know if that's a if that's a safe thing to say, 161 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: but I need to be addicted to something, So I 162 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: have to find the healthiest thing for me to be 163 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: addicted to, because my natural gravity is to go to 164 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: something and and and invest myself all the way in it, 165 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: so much so that it is unhealthy. So I gotta 166 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: find the healthiest version of that, because it's just in 167 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: me intrinsically. Like I I yes, I am so disciplined 168 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: to a fault because I know I had one instance 169 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: where I really felt it and I do want to 170 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: get back to, you know, talking about your your parents. 171 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: But at one instance one now I was um, I 172 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: got jumped and got a gun to my head and 173 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of like trauma in that way 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: where I got held at gun point. I had UM, 175 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: I have my house broken into. It was like a 176 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: lot of things happening when my career was just starting 177 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: to take off and I didn't take it seriously yet, 178 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: and I was having some some threats from the outside 179 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: and I couldn't sleep, and so my doctor was like, hey, 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: you should if you can't sleep and you're sick, you 181 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: should take sleeping pills. Took them, had trouble with them, 182 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: couldn't get off of them, and I was like, oh 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: my god, I can even staying up doing that side 184 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: of them. Well, yeah, I don't remember, I don't run, 185 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember. And so I would take these sleeping 186 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: pills and I remember the day where I went, oh, 187 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm stuck. I'm stuck. And it was the only time 188 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: because I remember my mom being because you couldn't sleep 189 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: without couldn't sleep, couldn't sleep without them. I felt like 190 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: they were tethered to me. Anywhere I went at any point, 191 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: I had to have them with me because if I 192 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: needed to sleep, that was the only way I could go. 193 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh, I'm I can't I can't 194 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: beat this right now, like this has got a hold 195 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: of me. And it was the only time that I 196 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: ever related to my mom because she had been in 197 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: rehabit and out and I always thought, why can't you 198 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: just beat it? But I just had a smidgen of it, 199 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh God, this is it. And 200 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: So because of that and how I grew up, I 201 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: am extremely disciplined. So did to answer your easy question 202 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: about life and music? You know, I do have that 203 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: discipline in me from I gotta be or I'm gonna 204 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: go off. Yeah that makes sense and not be completely Yeah, 205 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: So I was disciplined as a child. You were not disciplined, No, 206 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: I wasn't. Um. I think just being an artist comes 207 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: with a sense of being able to create, and there's 208 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: so there's a sense of just freedom and liberation. Also 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as the youngest, you know, I had an older brother, 210 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's not uncommon for the youngest sibling 211 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: two potentially be a little more like, well, everyone else 212 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: takes care of everything. I'm fine, I'm just floating along. 213 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: So if your older brother played music, how come you 214 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: even get stuck with the bass. Yeah, he didn't play. 215 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: We started playing guitar at the exact same time. I 216 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: was six, he was eight, and he started on a 217 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: steel string acoustic and I started on one with nylon 218 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: strings and he he just couldn't hack it and gave 219 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: up pretty quick. And to your point about my dad, 220 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: I went into my dad one time and said these strengths, 221 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: these hate playing guitar, and my dad is all right, 222 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: but then don't do it. And I was like, ah, 223 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: that's not what I wanted. I wanted him to tell 224 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: me I have to do it and get into a fight. 225 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: So it's kind of reverse psychology that worked really well. 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: What was the relationship like with your dad and you 227 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: as you became twelve, fourteen, sixteen years old? My dad's 228 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: alcoholic was, um, he's not here anymore, um, but he 229 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: was alcoholic. His whole life and never just never dealt 230 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: with it. You know. So my brother and I classic 231 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: adult children of alcoholic raised and uh, I got the 232 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: same genetic disposition as my dad, and my brother didn't 233 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: have that. Really it doesn't have it. It's wild because 234 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: I feel it. I have it, and luckily I saw 235 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: it early. But it's crazy that you would have it 236 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: and your brother doesn't. Yeah, but then he has no 237 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: hair and I have hair, so it's a fair trade. 238 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Did you feel like as you tried to achieve musically 239 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: you were doing it for you or you were doing 240 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: it somewhat to create a bond to your dad? Maybe 241 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: wasn't there because of other circumstances, probably both you both, 242 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I think um in the song we 243 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: Have Wild Hearts that you know, there's a song about 244 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: it opens with Johnny Cash, you know, sort of man 245 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: in Black, because when I was five, dad, mom and 246 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: dad took us to see Johnny Cash, and I remember 247 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: so much about that concert. But the thing I think 248 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: that is subconsciously in me. I was really taken by 249 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: how my dad was staring at this guy on stage 250 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: and probably thinking how do I get my dad to 251 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: look at me like that? Right, isn't that wild? Yeah, 252 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know if I saw it. 253 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: It's hard to know, right was that that Did I 254 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: recognize in that person on stage with the guitar? Did 255 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: I recognize something that I was going to do or 256 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do, or something that I 257 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: should do? I don't know. It doesn't really matter in 258 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: the end. When did it start to be And I'm 259 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: not gonna say the word easy, I don't think that's 260 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: fair to you, But when did it start to be 261 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: that you had an understanding that you could actually create 262 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: and manipulate with that inst it Tuesday? This week? This week, 263 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: it's a great you've been missing, You've been missing a lot. 264 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: You've been doing pretty good up until Tuesday. You had 265 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: us all fold Was it? Was it fourteen fifteen? Was 266 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: it earlier than that where you're like, Okay, I can 267 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: actually do this at a higher level than like my 268 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: peers who are doing this. Uh. I don't know if 269 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: I've ever felt that way. No, because you know, in Australia, 270 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: because I've always been around people way better than me always, 271 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: and in Australia there's like the local guy playing in 272 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the cover band because people go, who your influences? I'm 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: like the guy in the local cover band Barried Clough 274 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: and then Dallas Seldom and then Ridge Grant and all 275 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: these guys playing in cover bands. I'm twelve years old, 276 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: thirteen years old watching them going, I wish you could 277 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: play that good, and then at some point you play 278 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: that good, and so you're already looking to the next guy. 279 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: I wish you could play as good as him, and 280 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: you just your your influences, keep moving. Who was it 281 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: for you that was your favorite? Your first favorite artist 282 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: where you really clicked and you're like, that's my favorite 283 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: your own good question? Gosh, I don't know. For me. 284 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: I'll vamp a bit as you think about that so 285 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: you can have a good answer for me. You know, 286 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: it was it was John Mayer whenever he was starting, 287 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: because I felt someone writing the things that I was thinking, 288 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: and I never had had experienced that before. He's a 289 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: couple of years older than I am, but I was like, wow, 290 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: this guy one. I liked his tone, I liked the style, 291 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: but he was saying things. It was like a really 292 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: good comedian, you know how you go? Oh, I always 293 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: thought that I just didn't know what to say it 294 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: like that. It was the first time I've ever heard 295 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: that in song, and I thought, wow, he's he's kind 296 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: of speaking for me musically. Is the first time that 297 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: had ever happened. So he became my first ever like, 298 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: that's my favorite artist. There have been others that that 299 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: since I've done that, I'm a big Counting Crows guy too, 300 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, Um, but John Mayor was it for me? 301 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Now that I've given you a little time, who do 302 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: you think it is? Well, what I actually think about 303 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: is John Mellencamp is the is the guy that's coming 304 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: to mind. Um. The reason is I up playing list 305 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: country music, right, going to all these talent quests and 306 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: different competitions playing country music. But then I got to 307 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: be twelve fourteen. I left school at fifteen. I was 308 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: playing in a cover band at fifteen. So we're just 309 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: doing top forty and I'm playing in all the pubs 310 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: in Australia. And the pubs are rough places, you know, 311 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: just concrete floor, hose it out the end of the night, 312 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: rough crowd, no holes barred. If you suck, that will 313 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: let you know you suck. And I grew up playing 314 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: in that very rock environment and so I loved country, 315 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: I loved rock, I love Top forty. I'm like, what 316 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: the hell do I do? Who am I musically? And 317 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: then John put out Loans from Jubilee, which is an 318 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: album that had songs like paper and Fire. Check it out, 319 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Cherry Bomb, Da YadA YadA, and it was rock but 320 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: it had like fiddle and it had accordion and everything. 321 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: So we went to see him in concert on that tour. 322 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I was playing in a cover band. The band got tickets. 323 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: We went to see him and and was way up 324 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: in the nose bleeds in this arena. Him and the 325 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: band comes out and they play, and it was it 326 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: was so insanely great and it was rack country something 327 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: whatever the hell was going on. It was literally an epiphany. 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: And I saw what John was doing and I went, oh, 329 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: that's the answer. You don't think about labels. Just take 330 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: all the things you love, figure out how to put 331 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: them together and make it be like this. And I 332 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: was very lucky to meet John many many years later 333 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: and telling that story, and he said, it's so great 334 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: that that's what you took away from that concert, because 335 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: most people leave the concert and go, I'm going to 336 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: do that. I'm going to have fiddle in my bed 337 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and you know, and just rip off Joe Mellencamp. But 338 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: what I took from it was just do your own thing, 339 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: take all the things you love and the original and 340 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: John Mellencamp, obviously a Middle America guy who had country 341 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: and rock roots at the same time, incorporated the mall. 342 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: How do you see that affecting your show that you 343 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: do now? Like, what are the surroundings that you've taken 344 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: from your life because you have a different kind of show? Yeah, 345 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: of really anyone? I mean, And I say that in 346 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: the most complimentary way. And I've told you this off 347 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: on microphone too, Like you do the best live show 348 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I've ever seen you. I've seen a lot of live shows. 349 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm jaded at this point too. I'm extremely jaded. That's compliment. 350 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, it is. I've seen it all and 351 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't care to see anymore because it's just part 352 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: of the life we live right until. But when you're moved, 353 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: you're moved so hard when you're jaded, and to watch 354 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: you perform, I I leave and I'm like, god, dang, 355 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: I just I thought i'd seen it all. So because 356 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: of that, your it is so so what do you 357 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: take what are your influences that have created what is 358 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: your project? In the same way that he had taken 359 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: fiddle and he had taken you know, a different kind 360 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: of percussion. Yeah, um, and the different services of me 361 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: as I play guitar, So that becomes a strong point 362 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: of of the of what I do. I love guitar riffs, 363 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: I love catchy songs, you know, unapologetically energy too, and 364 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: energy yeah, and fiercely in the moment presence, absolutely really 365 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: giving a ship, like really really like this is the 366 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: last gig I'll ever play. Every gig is the last 367 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: gig you'll ever play. That's what I think I want 368 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: to talk about your shows is not only is it 369 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: musically wonderful and sonically just the greatest, but there's so 370 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: much energy there that doesn't feel forced energy. It feels 371 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: like pure energy. And there's a difference. Sometimes you go 372 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: out and you really don't, like, I'm gonna really work 373 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: for this show, but it doesn't feel like work. It 374 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: feels like that's who you are as an artist, Like 375 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: that's the most genuine version of you. And again, if 376 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: you if you haven't seen Keith's show, and honestly, this 377 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: wasn't leading up to the promo of your tour yet, 378 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: but your tickets are until today, which works in great 379 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: into this um and it's the it's the greatest live 380 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: show I think I've seen because and I don't know 381 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: why you keep going into the audience. You may not 382 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: not do that with COVID, now what I've just seen 383 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: you do it so many times, like stop, like I'm 384 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: worried for your own hell yeah, like people, Um, we 385 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: were talking to Jerry uh Flower Yeah, yeah, yeah, and 386 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: he was talking Jerry Flower. Jerry Clowers one of my 387 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: favorites too, by the way, Jerry Jerry Clowers only one 388 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: time and he is just a pistol. Yeah. So but 389 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: the other Jerry, who you were in the ranch with 390 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: and who is your musical leader, band director, I don't know. 391 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: He said that you guys were doing a private function 392 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: and you ran into the crowd and they were so 393 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: high they started biting you. Yeah it's like wait, what, 394 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: Like I knew that was going to happen, but it's 395 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: already happened. Like they pulled your shirt off and they 396 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: were biting you, and you kind of give off that door, 397 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: like you you accept that. So we try and feed 398 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: people before this same now and very passionate, very passionate. 399 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: Let me say this. The new American tour, The Speed 400 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: of Now World to fifty three shows between June sevent 401 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: and November five of two. There is a full list 402 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: of dates and tickets right now at keith Urban dot com. 403 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: Let's go back whenever you're playing in these cover bands, 404 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: what was the ceiling for you as far as for 405 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: your career when you're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old? What's 406 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the ceiling in your mind? How far you can get 407 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: in your career. I never thought of. I don't know, 408 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: it's so weird. I was never one of these kids 409 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: with a plan at all, none, just let's try and 410 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: get better. I was playing in this cover band that 411 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: I talked about so well Mally can't ya ya? Yeah? 412 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: And I wasn't the lead singer. Was it's top playing 413 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: and uh we well, well it was for a cover band. 414 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: We were doing a couple of thousand people on a 415 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: on a Sunday afternoon, which was a lot of people 416 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: to come and see this cover band. But it was 417 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: a really good band. What was your role in the 418 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: cover band guitar and lead singer? Uh? Well, we had 419 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: a lead singer that wasn't you, It wasn't me um. 420 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: And the only reason I joined this band was I 421 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: had a manager who was also managing this band. It's 422 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: a long story, but I had been in I've done jos, 423 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: I've done bands. I've always had my own thing, right. 424 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: It was always me was whatever. I was always doing 425 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: my thing. My manager thought, I really need some frontman experience, 426 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: how to handle a crowd, how to put a set 427 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: list together, how to put on a show, how to 428 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: just lead. And so he said, I've got this band. 429 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: I think you should join the band and watch this 430 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: front man because he's amazing and you'll learn so much. 431 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: So I was with that band for about a year 432 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: and he was right. I learned so much from that 433 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: lead singer. But but one of the things was I 434 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: wanted to do some original songs. We're doing all these covers, 435 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: and so I started writing a song and he loved it, 436 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: and the band learned it and he was going to 437 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: even sing it and it would be on the set list. 438 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: And I'll be looking at the guys in the band, 439 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, here comes that song. He comes a song 440 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to do a song and he would 441 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: bail on it every time. He'd be like, no, skip 442 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: that one, Let's do money money, and I'm like yeah. 443 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: And after a while of that, I just went and 444 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm not this is going nowhere. What are you gonna 445 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: do with covers? I want to want to play original music. 446 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: So I left the band and the drummer and bass 447 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: play quit at the same time, came and joined me, 448 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: and so then what do you do? Is it a 449 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: new name band? Is it are you? It was just me? 450 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: It was just solo um. But then of course I 451 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: couldn't get any work playing original songs, and so we 452 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: resorted to being another cover band, but slipping in my 453 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: own songs in between the covers at least. And so 454 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: as you're doing your own music, are you in Australia 455 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: at this point? Yeah, that's all in Australia. Was the 456 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: plan to get to the States at some point? Yeah, 457 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't know how when nothing knew nothing about that? 458 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: Then how did you? So nine my manager got some 459 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: tickets for us to come over to America, and we 460 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: came to Nashville and spent lips played down at the Shownees, 461 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: which was on to mon Brian and pitched my crappy 462 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: demo to all the labels, met with complete silence. Is 463 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: it now? It was met with complete silence because it's 464 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: your big, famous and successful or was it really met 465 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: with complete silence? Oh? No, it was terrible. But first 466 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: of all, it was a terrible demo, which, of course, 467 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: when you come from if you're not from here, you 468 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: think it's pretty pretty good, because it's pretty good from 469 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: where you come from, but it's pretty crap when you 470 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: get here compared to everything else. And I was just 471 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: out of out of step, out of place, out of step. 472 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: My music didn't fit at all. So what made you 473 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: think that you could stay and thrive? Because Nashville was 474 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: like sixteenth and sevent have and I got here and 475 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: I went, this is it? Is this it this is 476 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: the legendary iconic music row, Like that's it, My god, 477 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: this is this is fantastic. It's not New York City. 478 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: It's not like this is I'm at home. I love 479 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it here, it's great, and I didn't want to leave. 480 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: And I also foolishly thought we'll get I'll get here 481 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: and I'll start writing songs and I'll record and boom, 482 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: we'll be often running in no time, and man, the 483 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: years just went by and by what were you doing? 484 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: And could you make money? Though? At the time, Like 485 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: if you're coming from Australia and you is it ining? 486 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: Were you able to make money? So I signed a 487 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: publishing deal with a company in Australia that had an 488 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: office in Nashville. It's very small, little wage to where 489 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: it's not even a wage. What is it like money 490 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to pay them back? Right? So 491 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: I'd come over for a couple of weeks on my own, 492 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: stay with crash of somebody at their house, gonna write 493 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: songs every day with whoever they've put me with. You 494 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: know that thing that we do here in Nashville professional songwriters. 495 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: Whenever the new kid in town is, they throw them 496 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: in with the pro songwriters and see if something happens. 497 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: Was that weird for you, by the way, because that 498 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: was the culture and you've been writing probably by yourself. Yeah, 499 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was really difficult. I also was no 500 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 1: when you're good enough yet? And so I'm getting with 501 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: really great pro writers and I just I sucked. I 502 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: just had so much to learn that was excruciating. And 503 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: are you learning or are you overwhelmed. I think I 504 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: also frustrated the way in which I would write with 505 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: my drum machine and my bass or a banjo or something, 506 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: and always with a groove. Always. I would never sit 507 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: with a guitar in a legal pad in a windowless room. 508 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: So were you an early track guy? Because if yeah, definitely, 509 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: because I like I like them well, because I write 510 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: from the music out. The music is trying to tell 511 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: a story, and then I extrapolate the story from the music. 512 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: Will you write songs with melody first? Uh? Just straight melody? 513 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: Will you write a melody and that's what you have? 514 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: Then you create around the melody. Are you more prone 515 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: to do that when writing if you're starting from scratch 516 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: or an idea a lyric like where do you like 517 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: to start? If you get to choose, If I get 518 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: to choose, I like a groove. Beat doesn't have to 519 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: be fast, just any kind of beat that I can 520 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: then play along with, whether it's bass, guitar, guitar, piano, something, banjo, 521 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: whatever the matter, just something that you pick up and 522 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: just respond to. And then a melody comes, a melody 523 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: comes of some sort, and then you I think the 524 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: music has an emotion about it's trying to say something 525 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: thing I make somebody like you. You know. That song 526 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: started from flying out to l A meeting this guy 527 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: John Shanks, So I didn't know. Um, I was so 528 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: nervous to meet with some l A guy, you know, 529 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do I know? I've showed up 530 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: with my banjo and everything. And before I went to 531 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: the session, I went to this Irish pub and I 532 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: had a pint of guinness and it was like ten 533 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: in the morning and it was really good. Sad another 534 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: one and that was a really good so I had 535 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: like a third one. I get in my car, drive 536 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: over to the studio where he is, and by and 537 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: by then I walked in and I felt pretty pretty 538 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: just not bulletproof, but I felt very relaxed, very confident, 539 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: you know. And he had this little drum machine and 540 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: it was going, that's all it was doing. And I 541 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: pulled my banjo out of the case and dang, the dang, 542 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: the dawn and the dang and dang and dang, and 543 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: no idea why, just it just came out and we're like, oh, 544 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: it feels good. What do we do with that? You know? 545 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: It's and then there's and done nothing, some done down 546 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: and so does something. Gotta find some words and that's 547 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: that's it, and then you just the rest comes. You're 548 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: creating that vocal melody to without putting the words on it. 549 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so blah blah blah. So that that that, 550 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: and then you'll go would you record that? You go 551 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: back over and go, okay, you know what's down here? Yeah? 552 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: Well A lot of times it Gibberish is actually trying 553 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: to say something like you listen to the type which 554 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: way had a tight then and it would be and 555 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, there's a never there was that 556 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: a new win something right there down never never known 557 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: sounds like it's like screw, it's all in there. I 558 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: think Mick Jagger calls at making foul movements great. So 559 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: as you're here and you're learning to write, when does 560 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: the ranch start to be a thing? Uh? Well? Um 561 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: this three piece band that I mentioned, I had drummer 562 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: bass playoff that I took from this cover band. I thought, 563 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: let's let's head over to Nashville and do some shows. 564 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, all I can bring is bass play and drums. 565 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: I got no money, I can't afford anything. Um By 566 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: right around that time, I actually had built out a 567 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: five piece band. I signed a record deal in Australia, 568 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: did a did an album, put two more guys in 569 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: my band, keyboard and guitar, drums, bass, keyboard, guitar, and me, 570 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: and we're touring around playing these songs off my album. 571 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: So it was starting to happen in today. It was popping, 572 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: had a song on the radio and I was like, 573 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: here we go. It's great, you know, but all I 574 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: wanted to do is come to Nashville. I couldn't bring 575 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: the whole band, so I could bring bass and drums 576 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: at least I could bring and make a sound out 577 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: of it. My bass play Drama were the two guys 578 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: that didn't sing, so I had no harmony, no nothing. 579 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: So my bass player went back to Australia and I 580 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: found a singing bass player from Florida and we played 581 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: for a year or so, and then he went back 582 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: to Florida and we found Jerry who came in and 583 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: took over. So we were free piece because of no money. 584 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: It was not my preference. That just couldn't afford anymore players, 585 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: and that eventually became the ranch. What's interesting about that, 586 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: if we were playing back some of the Ranch stuff 587 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: with Jerry, and it feels like it was just ahead 588 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: of its time, like that, that music, and we were 589 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: listening to some demos and some old some old you know, 590 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: Ranch cuts. It feels like seven years later that probably hits. 591 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was a bit advanced musically 592 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: and that's why it didn't work at the time. Yeah, 593 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: it certainly didn't sound like anything on radio, and that 594 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: that's always the thing, you know, with the record we 595 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: made in just didn't sound like anything on the radio. 596 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: It was hell making that record because we were signed 597 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: to Warner Brothers and we went in with every quarter 598 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: pointed producer in town. Ah, every one of those situations 599 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: didn't work because what happens is we would be the 600 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: sound like us, which didn't sound like the radio, or 601 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: we would sound like something that could go on already 602 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: of it didn't sound like us, and we were just 603 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: in hell and just no matter what we did, we 604 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: just couldn't make it, couldn't make it work. Was there 605 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: someone that was betting on you? Though? As Keith Urban like, Okay, 606 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: the Ranch didn't work, but we still have faith in you. 607 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: And so many times in this town, once you don't 608 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: make it. People are like, well, you're just not gonna 609 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: make it. I see it all the time, like, well 610 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: you didn't make it, probably not for you. Was there 611 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: anyone that was like, hey, I know that didn't work 612 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: and maybe it was just you. Was there anyone that 613 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you have that star, like, let's keep 614 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: going and try to figure out who Keith Urban is 615 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: instead of this three piece? I think that was me. 616 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean I just had that burning belief. I know 617 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: wise because I was I'd grown up on oldest music. 618 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: I knew how to make the music, but I didn't 619 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: know how to make it with this band. This band 620 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: had a unique sound about it, and the band wasn't 621 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to get the band signed, you know. 622 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: The van wasn't in the plan originally it morphed into that. 623 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: So it was originally you. It was me. It was 624 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: me and my player drummer. We didn't have a name. 625 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: It was just my name, um. But we got messed 626 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: around with so much by the record company, and the 627 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: tipping point was over at that label at Warner Brothers 628 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: at the time. They just signed me, not the other 629 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: two guys, and we made the record and they said, oh, 630 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna send you guys out, maybe to play some 631 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: of these songs. But actually we're not sending you guys out. 632 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: We're just going to put a house band together, and 633 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to send out you Keith and about four 634 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: other artists on our label, and you guys will all 635 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: share the same band. And I went, no, I won't 636 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: you Like, what do you mean? I go, I'm not, 637 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not playing with just I got a band, 638 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: take my band with me. And they're like, yeah, but 639 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: we didn't sign your band, and I go, no, I know, 640 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: but I mean, they're my band. It doesn't make sense 641 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: when I play with someone else. And uh. When we 642 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: got dropped from that label and went over to Capital, 643 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: I said, you have to sign everybody. And I'm I'm 644 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: going to get rid of my name. To the hell 645 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: with it, getting rid of my name. We're doing it, 646 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: you know. And I had so many people around me saying, 647 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: don't do that, don't don't drop your name and just 648 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: lose yourself in the band. But that's what I did. 649 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: When you became Keithnone rolled through some number one here 650 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, your first number one. But for 651 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: the grace of God. That's here a little bit. It 652 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: is after the years of struggle on a label to 653 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: have a hit, did it feel like a relief or 654 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: did it feel like this is amazing because there's a difference. 655 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: Was it like, oh my god, thank you? Was like whoa, 656 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about? It only above. It was 657 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: surreal to have a number one song in America was 658 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: just crazy. Remember that like it was yesterday. Really, oh 659 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: my god, twenty years ago, you still remember it like 660 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: that your first Yeah, I remember exactly the house I 661 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: was at, what I was doing, Who told me everything? 662 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Like detail because it was too surreal. I was like 663 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: number one, like the number one most played on country 664 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: radio in America? Truly? Really did your life change after that? 665 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: After you had a number one? Since you could say it, um, 666 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: I felt like, okay, now we got a chance to 667 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: get some more music going. And the next single after that, 668 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: I think was Where the Black Top Bands, which is 669 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: weird because it peaked at I was looking at numbers. 670 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't a number one, but that, to me is 671 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: one of the songs I think of when I think 672 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: of you and your catalog is Where the Black Top Ends. 673 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't even number one, which shows you not all 674 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: number one or career songs, and not all career songs 675 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: or number one songs even in two thousand one two 676 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: two did that song feel big like a number one song? 677 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: Where the black Top ends. I can't remember that when 678 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: you can't remember now, I can't remember that. I mean 679 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I remember making that a whole album with Matt Rawlings, 680 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: and it was the first time where I was in 681 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: a studio and having gone through all of the famous 682 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: producers and realizing none of it works. From me, I 683 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna do. Um. There was a 684 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: guy running Capital Records at the time called Pat Quigley, 685 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: and he was the president, and I used every proper 686 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: famous producer and none of it was working. And I 687 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: went into Patt and I said, can I just I 688 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: had just done a session with Matt Rowlings for somebody else. 689 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: The two of us were playing on it, and I 690 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: clicked with him and I really liked him a light, 691 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: and I said, could I just go and record some 692 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: songs with this guy? Because I think he can put 693 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: a good band together and we can just make a 694 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: record that sounds good. And he went, yeah, whatever it 695 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: was very much that case of like, go do whatever 696 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: you want to do. We're not that interest. You could 697 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: tell it was whatever it's going to. So we went 698 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: and cut up the Grace God and like four or 699 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: five songs, and I took him in and played for 700 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: him and he goes, that sounds good and just finished 701 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: the record out. It was no big deal. And we 702 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: handed in the record and it had It's a love 703 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: thing and I want to be her everything. All the 704 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: singles that came out, Grace God, Blacktop, all that stuff um, 705 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: and they put out Love It's a love Thing, and 706 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: I think I went to the number eighteen or something like, No, 707 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: it's okay, pretty good. They put out another song, I 708 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: want to Be Everything, and I got to top five 709 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: or close to it, and it wasn't It was okay. 710 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Everything was okay. And then the label really focused on 711 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: me and they put out Grace of God and it 712 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: did that and I could feel everything changed after that. 713 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,959 Speaker 1: Whenever somebody like You comes out two thousand two, there's 714 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: a little clip, do you remember this one is vivid 715 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: at your second number one? You do everything about it 716 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: recording it first time, I'd work with Dan half Um 717 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: working out at sound kitchen and Franklin and the putting them, 718 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: putting the band together, and the set, the whole session. 719 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: I remember it so vividly because it got magical. Does 720 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: a guy like Dan half challenge you? So? Uh? I 721 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: was going to do the next record on my own 722 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: um Golden Road, and I had already done six six 723 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: sides of that record, including who who were wanting me. 724 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: I put the band together, I chose the studio, I 725 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: chose the engineer. I put it all together. And then 726 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: someone said, you know, you should try and work with 727 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: Dan Huff and I went, no, I don't want to 728 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: work with him because and they went, well, he's a 729 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: guitar player. I mean, I'm so not going to work 730 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: with a guitar player who's gonna tell me what to play, 731 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: you know. I don't want that. I've been down this 732 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: road before. And they're like, we'll just give it a shot, 733 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: you know. And I met with Dan, and this is 734 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: a true story, and I was really a compliment to Dan. 735 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: I met with Dan. I said, Okay, I've got this 736 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: one song it's called Somebody Like You, that that'd be 737 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: a good one for us to start on. And I've 738 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: already been in the studio for two weeks with this band. 739 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: We'd cut half the record. It's already done, and Dan says, Okay, 740 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: this song feels great. Um, I think we should use 741 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: this drummer. And I got already got the drummer. Well, 742 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: I think we should use this space. But I got 743 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: the whole band, Dan, I got the whole band, all right, Well, 744 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: I like to work at this studio, I said, I'm 745 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: already at the studio. We're gonna be at sound kitchen. Okay, Well, 746 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: the engineer I like to use is when I already 747 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: got the engineer. His name is Justin Ebank, and he goes, 748 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: what do I do? When I go, you just show up. 749 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: That's all you're gonna do. Show up, because I want 750 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: to see what you do. I'm sick of these producers 751 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: that say they're a producer, but really they have great engineer, 752 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: great players, they don't do anything. I saw it again 753 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: and again and again, and I'm like, just show up. 754 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: What the hell can you possibly bring to this session? 755 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: I want to see? And he walked into that session. 756 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: I've been with this band for two weeks. He walks 757 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: in and I literally could feel all the musicianship go 758 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: up a whole of the level just with him being 759 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: in the room. He sat in the room, the band's 760 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: playing a bit of Somebody Like You, and he goes, hey, Chris, 761 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: just change that snare a little bit there. Okay, Yeah, 762 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: leave that base part out right there, and you play 763 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: that bit over there, and he I watched him arrange 764 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: this thing and the whole track is to elevate, and 765 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: I like, well, damn, this guy is the real deal. 766 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,959 Speaker 1: He's so good. When did the town start to treat 767 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: you differently? Tuesday? Um? I was already getting support from 768 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: the town very early on. I think because of all 769 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: those writing sessions, you know, and when you write with 770 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: people where it gets out whether you can really sing, 771 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: really play, whether you know about country music, if you're 772 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: legit or just some poser really so, I think those 773 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: sort of guitar pool sessions of people's houses going to 774 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: the Bluebird, people knew I was for real. I was 775 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: watching some of your performance with her, I guess all 776 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: of it with for Tina Turner for the Rock and 777 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Um, how did how do you do? 778 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: How do you get called in to do that? I 779 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen any of that yet, do you haven't Um, 780 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: what do you mean you haven't seen it? You don't 781 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: watch Do you watch your stuff? Well? I haven't seen 782 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: that generally, will you go and watch your stuff? It depends. 783 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: Are you one of the guys that after a live 784 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: show you want to go on criticket? I probably should 785 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: do it more than I do. Yeah. Yeah, it's always 786 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: better when I in there and care. How how does 787 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame invite come with 788 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: Tina for Tina Turner? Uh? Because Brian Adams couldn't make it, 789 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: and they just called me out and they go, would 790 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: you come and fill in for Brian? Day before the Yeah, 791 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: it was it was Thursday and Nick and I will 792 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: go into the Bahamas and my manager calls me and 793 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: he goes, hey, can you come fill in for Brian? 794 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: And bla bla blah blaha, And I'm like, you were 795 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: going to the Bahamas on Friday. He's like, you didn't 796 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: hear what I said? And I was like, no, I 797 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: heard you. We're heading off to the Bahamas and Nix 798 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: in the car and Nicks like, oh, I think we 799 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: should do that. That sounds fun. But in my think, 800 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like this sounds overwhelming. I've got 801 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: to learn a song in record time, a song I've 802 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: never played. It's not really my kind of song. It's 803 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: not my vocal range, it's not in my key. I'm 804 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: so in over my head, you know. I was terrified. 805 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: You still get terrified, Yeah, wild dear, Yeah do you well? 806 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Did any thing musically would intimidate you? Yeah, to be 807 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: thrown into something that's not really my zone, especially in 808 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: that place. I'm like maybe standing up on stage in 809 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: front of my cartney and the food fighters and they're 810 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: all you know, I pictured them are like arms crossed, 811 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: like okay, what do you do? What's your thing? And 812 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's not this, It's not this is 813 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: not it. So I could picture in my head when 814 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: it comes to collaborations, as far as your career is concerned, 815 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: what do you look back at and go, Man, that 816 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: one right there, we nailed it. You and who collaboration 817 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: and so many I mean John doing Crossroads at John 818 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: Maya to this day, I just loved that whole experience 819 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: with him playing. I learned a lot from him. Really, 820 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: you learn from him? Yeah? Yeah, what do you learn 821 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: from John mayer Um to make the song your own? 822 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta remember I still came from cover 823 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: band land, which John did not, And so John approaches 824 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: it as a pure artist and makes the song on 825 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: his own because I remember saying him the first didn't 826 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: go like that, and he's like, yeah, but that's how 827 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sing it right on? Of course. Yeah. Is 828 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: there a gamesmanship when you have two people that are 829 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: so again, I'll just talk about the instrument for a second, 830 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: so to be old, they're so proficient at their instrument. 831 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: Are you guys do you feel each other out at first? 832 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: Are you like, is he really as good as I've heard? 833 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: Or is it you know, because you've you've heard for yourself, 834 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: like on a record or on YouTube and not John specifically, 835 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: but anyone. You know when you kind of cross path 836 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: because I had room for squares and we played that 837 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: record to death on that too a us um so 838 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: as I was a fan right from the beginning. Um, 839 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: I love the conversation, the musical conversation that happens, and 840 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: the most important thing for me is spontaneity. It's just 841 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,479 Speaker 1: you know, you can rehearse, yeah yeah, yeah, but being 842 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: in the moment and having that musical conversation with each other. 843 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: This is everything. You ever meet someone, you're like, man, 844 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome, and you're like, man, that's not 845 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: really right really as good as that's hot or as 846 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: as you know, I don't want you to say. Some 847 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: people don't have a collaborative heart. That's what it is. 848 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: They don't have a collaborative heart for whatever reason. They 849 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: just don't um collaborate that kind of They have that 850 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: thing of well, this is what I do, so you 851 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: do your thing, I'll do my thing, and I'm like, well, 852 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: let's do our thing. That's what I'm here for. On 853 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: the opposite side of that, whoever you collaborated with it, 854 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I didn't expect it to be as 855 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: warm and as a just a friendly collaboration, but holy crap, 856 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: we're in We're in it and it's rocking. Pink. I 857 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: think was that when we did one too many? Why? 858 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: Why do you think you guys hit it off? Um? 859 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: I think our voices go together really well, and I 860 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: hope they would, but you never know until you hear it. 861 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: But she was just unbelievably um giving with that whole project, 862 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, for a song that she didn't write to 863 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: be giving so much of her time and her effort 864 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: to the You know, we shot a video as well, 865 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: and then we shot footage which we can use in concerts, 866 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: so we have her projected on the screening concert. That's old, 867 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: time consuming and she was just amazing. Is it an 868 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: issue whenever you're with an artist like that, because they 869 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: also have their own music and their own singles and calendars, 870 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: and when they want to put out their own to 871 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: get pink on a song, do you go, Okay, well, 872 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe we can release to the single, maybe not, depending 873 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: on what your schedule is, right, I mean? Is that something? 874 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: Is that an issue that you deal with other artists? 875 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: Is something you have to consider? Yeah, for sure, because 876 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: sometimes it's at the time he's not gonna work. You know. Yeah, 877 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: it's great, this single sounds really great, but we're not 878 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: going to release it at the right time. I was 879 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: reading on the internet that you bowl? Are you some 880 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,240 Speaker 1: of the stuff I didn't know and could be crap. 881 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: Are you a bowler? Yeah? Are you a good bowler? 882 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm okay? How do I not know that? We've never 883 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: talked about it or been bowling? True? But where did 884 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: where do you? Where do you bowl? I haven't bowled 885 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: in a long time. It's just one of those things 886 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: that I happened to be not bad at, sort of 887 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: out of the gate, just that I hand coordination that 888 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: guitar players have. You know your highest game? Is that 889 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: what you call it a game? Yeah? No, I don't know. 890 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: Um uh, you know to have an average? Yeah, it's 891 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: not grab me at three hundreds of perfect game right, 892 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: definitely could crack no, but definitely could crack two hundred. 893 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: You play pool, yeah, you go to that. I think 894 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: this mandatory when you're from Australia, you got to play pool? 895 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Very much like all the pubs 896 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: all had pool tables? A sign of a misspent youth. 897 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: We'll think about that. Though you're you're good at bowling, 898 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: you're good at pool. I mean, is that you're obviously 899 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: good at guitar? Which one made you good at which 900 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: because you do have the hand eye coordination there. It's right, 901 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: it's not like coincidence. Those are very hand eye coordinated. 902 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: Do you think being a good guitar player helps you 903 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: be a good bowler? I suck at base but basketball 904 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: I cannot get that thing in the hoop. So there 905 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: goes that theory you true or false? You were once 906 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: a road guitars for a bit for Brooks and Done. No, 907 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,479 Speaker 1: never one of the many things on Wikipedia. It's not true. 908 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,959 Speaker 1: I didn't think the bowling was tru I'll be honest 909 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: with you, I expect. So where did that story come from? 910 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: Do you know? Yeah, we toured with Brooks and Done 911 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one and I came out and 912 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: played one song with them as a guitarist, and I 913 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: think that then from then on, yeah, I was like 914 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: a guy in the band. Well, what happened was we 915 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: were going to pull a prank on them, and they 916 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: had a guitar player in the band, Charlie. I'vegotten his 917 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: last name, Charlie. And he had his hat down, really 918 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: had wore hat worked down super low, had this like 919 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,479 Speaker 1: leopard print shirt and everything. And during the tourist thinking 920 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: I could probably masqueraders. I could probably pretend to be 921 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: him and the boys wouldn't even know. And so during 922 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: one of the shows, Charlie slipped out the back while 923 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: he was playing. I already had the same clothes on, 924 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: slipped right out and reclaimed his spot on the stage 925 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: and played an entire song and in the middle of 926 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: the when the solo happened, Kicks goes, Charlie and I 927 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: ran down the front was shredding right in between kicks 928 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: and running, and it took a bait for them to 929 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: realize I wasn't, but they realize. So I think that 930 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: was where this room and got started. It's like a 931 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: Tuesday at your house, like and I asked that because 932 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: you and your wife exclusively are superstars. When you're together, 933 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: I feel like you're kind of normal. It's it's it's 934 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: a weird situation, like when I see you two, if 935 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: we're an event or something. I felt like as a couple, 936 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: you're quite approachable. Individually, it's different because I feel like 937 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: I know you and I could just come up to you. 938 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: But individually I would say you're superstar Keith Urban and 939 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: she is superstar Nicole Kidman. But together it's almost like 940 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: a normal husband and wife. And I've not seen that 941 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: vibe with any other couple. Usually it's different. It's like 942 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: they're much more uh, they're much less approachable together because 943 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: there's so much more power there. But it feels like 944 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: you're a normal, normal married couple at home. Is that true? 945 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: You'd be doing a house it's like super normal. I 946 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: saw her tell you once that she was gonna stop 947 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: and get some milk, and I was like, you do that? 948 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: What do you mean you're gonna get milk? Should it? Someone? 949 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: You flying that in and like flying the cow in 950 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: the rock and roll? And how how how do you 951 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: guys maintain what do you focus on to try to 952 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: have normalcy in a life that is abnormal? I mean, 953 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: look love, genuine love and and genuine gratitude for what 954 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: we get to do. Nick has it. I have it, 955 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: and I think it's we were both raised a similar 956 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: thing to Australia's. Really, Australia has a thing called a 957 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: tall poppy syndrome. Every as he knows about this, and 958 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: it's if you get too big in the in the South, 959 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,919 Speaker 1: they'd say when you get above you raisin right, they 960 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: cut you down. You get cut down. The poppy seed 961 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: plan is another one that's all poppy gets. So that's it. 962 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: So it's the it's the toll poppy syndrome where you 963 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: you don't last very long. If you're strutting around with 964 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: this crazy ego. In Australia, you could cut down so fast, 965 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: so you just are always down to Earth. You read 966 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: the down to Earth, you're out of work. It's one 967 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: of the two, and it's it's put us in a 968 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: really good place to have a good life because of it. 969 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,320 Speaker 1: What are you grateful for with her as a person? 970 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: How does she make you better? I'm sure? And I 971 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: asked this from a personal, just personal place, because I've 972 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: never been married. I've never I've never even told anyone 973 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: I hadn't either, right like I never there was no 974 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to love until now because I 975 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: think you know, you talk about the trauma from your 976 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: I struggle with a lot of that trauma until now 977 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: and still am, but have found someone. But what is 978 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: it about her as a human that you appreciate so 979 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: much that brings a different side of you out that 980 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: hadn't been exposed yet? Um? She really loves, genuinely loves 981 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: and as real empathy, compassion, caring and love like I've 982 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,439 Speaker 1: never never experienced before. Do you ever watch her act 983 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: and go, holy crap, that's so good or do you 984 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,800 Speaker 1: see it all the time where you just expected to 985 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: be great? She's so good And I don't know anything 986 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: about acting. Sometimes people say ye, bad actor. I'm like, 987 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: I all look the same to me. However, I was 988 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: watching on Hulu with Nine Strangers the whole thing. She's 989 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: she's so good in that that you then go, okay, 990 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: that's good acting like and she is nailing these series. 991 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: Is if she's in a series, I'll watch it. It's 992 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: just to that point now where if your wife is 993 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: in a series, even if I don't know what it's about, 994 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: the history of poop, I'm going to I'm going to 995 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: watch it because she has showed that she's awesome in 996 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,839 Speaker 1: these things. Do you do you talk about projects with her? 997 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: Does she talk about projects with you and them together 998 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: and like should we do this? Yeah? Yeah, because we 999 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: have to talk about scheduling and where it is and 1000 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: as this gonna work? And then of course I'll that 1001 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: I was reading scripts with her. You know, this is 1002 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: the being the Riccardos, which is the Lucille Ball film 1003 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: that's coming out. Aaron Sulkin wrote most amazing scripts, and 1004 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: just getting to read these scripts is something that is 1005 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: It's surreal you read with her sometimes, Yeah, do you 1006 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: ever want to do that? Especially? No, I have zero 1007 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: interest in acting, like none zero? Does she ever hear 1008 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: a song of yours and go, yeah? She doesn't have to. 1009 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you can here's the thing that's more important, 1010 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: and you may be able to relate to this. I 1011 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 1: realized that whoever I play a song for, and I've 1012 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: had you at the house and I've played you things before, 1013 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: what how you react that song? Tells me a lot 1014 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: about the song, But what tells me more is how 1015 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: I feel planet for you. I've learned so much about 1016 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: how I feel about playing somebody a song, whether it's 1017 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: you or whether it's Nick. Because you know, she may 1018 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: go I love that, and inside I'm thinking I did 1019 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: until I played it, and I'm not feeling so good 1020 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: about it now. So I want to figure out what's 1021 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: going on? What is your relationship with singles, EPs, albums? 1022 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: Because it's a new land out there, it's at tension, 1023 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: spans are different. Sorry what exactly, but it is getting 1024 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: that way right? Yeah? So how are you feeling these 1025 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: days about track albums? Why are do you see you changing? 1026 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 1: How you're just you know, doing Keith Urban distribution of music. 1027 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: I I still like to think it comes down to quality, 1028 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: the quality of something because people go, oh, people want shorter, 1029 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: the shorter that, And I'm like, only because a lot 1030 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,959 Speaker 1: of what's out there. It's just not great. It's okay, 1031 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: it's not great, and it's not great because it's having 1032 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: to be churned out at such a fast right now, 1033 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: because it's content content, content content quick. You have it 1034 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: with your show, and you you're trying to maintain a 1035 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: level of excellence with this often unrealistic demand for the 1036 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 1: amount of it. You're trying to walk a line, how 1037 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: can I give you the best most exactly? That's exactly it? 1038 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 1: And I miss a lot because sometimes I do mo 1039 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: and sometimes I do best, but I often don't get 1040 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,839 Speaker 1: it right at the same time. And I think we're 1041 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: in this a lot in our society right now. The 1042 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: speed of everything and the and the demand for more 1043 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,240 Speaker 1: and more and more and more quality takes time. Not always, 1044 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: but most of the time it takes. It takes a beat. 1045 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,959 Speaker 1: Do you feel pressure from at this stage of your career, 1046 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: labels managers like hey, let's go, we need another something 1047 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: from you, or are you now like, guys, you'll get 1048 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: it when you get it. Yeah, I've never felt that. 1049 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 1: I've never felt I will say my record company Capital Record, 1050 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: so I've been with a long time. I've never ever 1051 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: felt anything but support for for what I do. They've 1052 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: never given me like dragging the record out of my hand, 1053 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: demanding this song with that song. Ever, they've been amazingly supportive. 1054 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: Do you need a teleprompter ever? For lyrics? You've got 1055 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: so many number one songs? Do you ever need a 1056 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: reminder of words? Do you have to refresh or are 1057 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: you just there? Yeah, refresh it if it's gonna be 1058 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: an old song. But it's I have a sick memory 1059 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: for lyrics of songs. It's crazy you bring up I 1060 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: I brought it up. But we talked about it with 1061 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: Ronnie don who I've oddly become friends with and we're 1062 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: opposite in many ways, but we were. We were texting 1063 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: last night like that's He's there's a big picture when 1064 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: you walked into this guest house. He sent over to 1065 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 1: the house with like a bowl or something that was 1066 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: laying on the counter. But Ronnie has and I don't 1067 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: think he would care if I shared this. He has 1068 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 1: someone in his ear the whole time on a microphone 1069 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: side stage telling him every lyric to every song. He's 1070 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: had it for a long time. He's just like, I 1071 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: don't want to forget and I don't have I don't 1072 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: have a good memory, so they're like out in the country, 1073 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: out in the country. I mean they're right in there, excellent, 1074 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean voice of an angel, but holy crap, we 1075 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 1: can't remember word high fresh gig for the guy in 1076 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: the ear and it's and it's a yeah, very much so. 1077 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 1: But you have it all there for the most part. Boy, 1078 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: he'd want to be on good terms of that guy, 1079 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't he. It's like Ron, Ronnie, don't you ron Burgundy 1080 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: burg You could get Burgen San Diego real quick prompt there. 1081 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the new single that I do want 1082 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: to get back to the tour. But the current single 1083 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: is Wild Hearts. Let me play a little bit of 1084 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: this for you. I kind of have a relationship with 1085 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: every songwriter on this song, which is pretty cool. Eric 1086 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: Passley is a dear friend of mine. Um Jen Wayne Same, 1087 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: she's in now, she's in a group herself away June 1088 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: there it is Brad Tercy from Old Dominion. How does 1089 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: this room come together? Or was it a room that 1090 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: came together? It didn't come together. I got sent this 1091 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: song as a finished song two verses, chorus done, and uh, 1092 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: I got pitched this song from Roxy King and I 1093 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: heard it and I was like, mmmmm, I don't know, 1094 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,359 Speaker 1: it's just I like the chorus, don't really the rest 1095 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: of us not pulling me in. And so I passed 1096 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: on the song. And then about two weeks later, I 1097 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: woke up one morning singing this chorus in my head 1098 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,319 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is that? What's that Wildhart song? 1099 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: It's really special chorus. I listened to the song again 1100 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: and I went, Man, that chorus is so freaking good. 1101 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: But the verses don't say anything to me. And so 1102 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: I called the writers and I said would I said, 1103 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: would you mind if I rewrote the verses just to 1104 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: make it more personal, because it's such a personal song. It's, 1105 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, following your dreams, and like, well what about what? 1106 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: You know? What was my dream journey from Australia to 1107 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,320 Speaker 1: hear And they sent me the track without anything in 1108 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: the verses, and I just rewrote the verses. That's pretty cool. 1109 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: One day will go yes, And I said to them, 1110 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: I said, I'm a writer, so I get this first 1111 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,920 Speaker 1: of all, and but I'm not one of these guys. 1112 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: It's going to be like I added the word the 1113 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: right give me. I've never been that guy um, and 1114 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: I said, you guys have written a top song. It's 1115 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: top to bottom. It's finished, right. If you can pitch 1116 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: it and someone wants to cut it as is, please 1117 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: do that. I'm not asking to dismantle your song if 1118 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: someone else wants to record it, but if you are okay, 1119 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,799 Speaker 1: If and I can rewrite these verses and they come 1120 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: up the way I think they will, I'm definitely recording 1121 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: this song. And God bless him, they let me do that. 1122 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: The North American Tour The Speed of Now World War Two. Uh, 1123 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: the tickets are on still now Keith urban dot com. 1124 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 1: How long do you think you have another ten years 1125 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: of doing these really high energy shows in you? I 1126 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: don't even think about that. I mean just the next year, 1127 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: the next show. I mean, I'm injured. My my whole 1128 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 1: body is still injured from my nat g O show. Yeah. Beat. 1129 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: So now I think about things in terms like could 1130 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: I do another three seasons of that show? And I can't. 1131 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 1: I now understand, I can't mash her rist her shoulder 1132 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,399 Speaker 1: heard Everything. Tour is not that show, but your tour. 1133 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you things that you're mad. Your tour is 1134 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,720 Speaker 1: again is the most energetic show I have ever seen 1135 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: from a superstar who doesn't have to be that energetic 1136 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,920 Speaker 1: because he's already a superstar. And I mean that the 1137 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,439 Speaker 1: most complimentary way. You could go out and just put 1138 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 1: on a solid show and be Keith and people will 1139 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: be blown away, but you don't. Your hair is on 1140 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: fire for no other reason than you live that your 1141 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: art is your hair being on fire during a show. Yeah, yeah, well, 1142 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: I only know one volume to get out there and 1143 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: play at there is I mean, if it's real passion 1144 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: and the audience knows it, They're like, that's legit. That's 1145 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: a guy surfing on the wave of not thinking about it, 1146 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: but it's really happening and I can feel it. It's 1147 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: it's true, it's in the moment. Do you lose yourself 1148 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,479 Speaker 1: in shows? Definitely? Yeah, It's it's a perfect balance of 1149 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: being completely present and completely lost in the moment all simultaneously. 1150 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: Do you ever Sometimes I'll drive and I'll get somewhere 1151 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: and I'll be like, holy crap, I don't know how 1152 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: I got here, Like subconscious has completely taken over, and 1153 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: then I feel unsafe and I'm like, you're telling me 1154 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: people are driving, And then I start thinking about other 1155 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: idiots who are doing what I did, not thinking and 1156 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 1: driving places. But does that ever happen in the show 1157 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: where your three songs later and you're like, dear god, 1158 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: how does that even get here? No? No? I mean 1159 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 1: maybe no, not really, not even a moment. I was 1160 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: thinking about a moment and a song. Um no, because 1161 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just super present, but I'm also thinking. 1162 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking a multi multiprocessing right, which I think you 1163 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: do it extremely well on your show. You're listening to me, 1164 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: you're checking that out, you're thinking about other things. You're 1165 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: probably thinking about some other things you gotta do, and 1166 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: it's all multi processing all at once, and you you 1167 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: totally here as well. I feel like I'm completely present, 1168 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: But I think I'm good at being present will while 1169 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 1: also delegating my mind to do other things. The same 1170 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 1: good way to put it, Yeah, what do you say 1171 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: on that microphone when you walk over that nobody hears you? 1172 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: Know the microphone? We're talking to it all right, do 1173 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: you have one of those? What do you? What do 1174 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: you when you walk back? Puts four songs in and 1175 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: only your guys on stage can hear you. Because for 1176 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: those that don't note. Some of my friends that have 1177 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: them call them, Uh, we'll call it a b mike. 1178 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: Right with the word rich. We like, we're talking to 1179 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: the rich mike. If you're going to that microphone, what 1180 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: are you saying in the middle of a show. Why 1181 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: would it might be called that? But I have no idea, 1182 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: but that's what That's the only thing I know it has. Right, Oh, 1183 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: that's weird. I've never heard that expression. Oh you haven't. No, 1184 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: I never heard that. Well I don't say it, but 1185 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: that's crazy. So we stole it from Kenny Chesney when 1186 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: I was on two with him and I saw he 1187 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 1: had one, and I'm like, well, that's perfect because everyone's 1188 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: got in ears and you can actually talk to everyone 1189 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,960 Speaker 1: going to get out over the top. You're not at 1190 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 1: all not that mike. What do you say? Is it like, 1191 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: hey guys, we're gonna switch songs or we're gonna play 1192 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: in a different or on my throat? Her like what? 1193 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: It could be something to my guitar, tech, could be 1194 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: something to the monitor guy, could be something to the band. 1195 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: It could be something to security. It could just be 1196 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: really like you see something out there. For sure, security 1197 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: has ears in and they can hear that, I know 1198 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: that it's going to get to where it's got to 1199 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: get to. If maybe not directly, someone will relay the message. 1200 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, if I feel like this just heavy handed 1201 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,680 Speaker 1: security at a place, not letting people have fun or 1202 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 1: anything like that, make sure it gets taken care of. Definitely, 1203 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: of all the things that you do. As we wrap 1204 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: this up, one of my favorites is when you and 1205 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while because you haven't 1206 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,400 Speaker 1: been on the road as normal no one has. Right 1207 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,439 Speaker 1: when you do those videos with the police escort behind 1208 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,440 Speaker 1: you and you're like, thank you guys, great, Like I 1209 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: love the blue light video at the end of the show, Right, 1210 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 1: that's funny so much so that there have been a 1211 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of times where you know, we did a we've 1212 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 1: done a couple of shows. We did a festival and 1213 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,200 Speaker 1: I throw a festival in Texas and we had like 1214 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: four or five thousand people and we had to get 1215 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:40,920 Speaker 1: out and I was like, Hey, I'm gonna get that 1216 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,720 Speaker 1: blue light like either because I gotta get that shot. 1217 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: So you're inspiring me in ways you had no idea. 1218 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: It's much better having in front of you than behind you. 1219 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Let me tell you I would agree with that. I've 1220 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 1: spent way more years with the opposite. So this is nice, Mike. 1221 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: Anything that I have missed that we need to address 1222 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: with Keith before he leaves, I think that's everything. It's 1223 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: a daylight savings time just about so it's getting darker 1224 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: now and it feels like it's midnight. A little tired, 1225 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,960 Speaker 1: kind of run through it here. Anything you'd like to say, Read, 1226 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: you're a massive Keith fan. Read is my video guy. 1227 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: He's been looking for people looking forward to this, so read. 1228 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,600 Speaker 1: This is your one shot with Keith. Is there anything 1229 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: take a deep breath alright that you'd like to ask Keith? Alright, Keith, 1230 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. All I'm thinking about is uh. When 1231 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 1: I first started learning guitar, my dad got me your 1232 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Golden Road DVD that had all the music videos on it, 1233 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: and I would stand in front of the TV and 1234 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to mimic and try to learn learn 1235 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,960 Speaker 1: the songs. And it was god awful. But I remember 1236 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: that moment. And then I got the pleasure of going 1237 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: to your show. I think it was in Dallas like 1238 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,160 Speaker 1: three no, maybe like two years ago, and my girlfriend 1239 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: got me the tickets and and of course you're out 1240 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 1: in the crowd running around and you came up to 1241 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,040 Speaker 1: us and I can just remember my my girlfriend just 1242 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:02,560 Speaker 1: going Keith, Keith, but that was probably me at but yeah, 1243 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: so those are just the moments that came up to me. 1244 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: But I was a huge fan. Man, Thank you so much. 1245 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 1: How's the plane coming along? Oh it's it's good. Yeah 1246 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: you're still playing, yeah, sir. Yeah, I love songwriting. Uh. 1247 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of playing shows or anything, 1248 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,360 Speaker 1: but um I love to produce my music as well 1249 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: and and write songs. So right, yes, sir, Yeah, there 1250 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: we have an emotional emotional moment here. I'll mention this 1251 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: before you go to I. As we were walking out 1252 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: of our wedding, we played God Whispered your Name. The 1253 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: writers or one of the writers saw me out. I 1254 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 1: was getting some ice cream with Caitlin and he was like, 1255 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: you guys played go when God Whispered your Name at 1256 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,280 Speaker 1: your wedding and I was like, first time I keeps 1257 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: singing that song, I was like, that's it, Like I 1258 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: felt that's that's one of those rare songs in my 1259 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 1: life where I was like because when I heard it 1260 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the first time, I thought if I can ever have 1261 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: this in my life. That's it. And then when I 1262 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 1: met my wife, now I went, this is that song? 1263 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,560 Speaker 1: M like. It was the songwriting, it was the delivery, 1264 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: it was the texture, all of those things together in 1265 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: that song. I remember thinking, man, if I ever find 1266 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: this because I heard a song before I knew her, 1267 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,720 Speaker 1: But when I met her and I was like, oh, 1268 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: this is when God whispered your name. Wow. And it's 1269 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: one of those few moments where a song that you're 1270 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: super romantic punches you in the gut. Yeah, okay, maybe 1271 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 1: you got you got married and you love that kind 1272 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: of song and yeah yeah, Dan and Shid play at 1273 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: winning yes and they The funny part about that was 1274 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: my wife and Abby Smires are really close friends. Dan 1275 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and I have been buddies for a long time, and 1276 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look you get because they're like, 1277 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: whatever you want, we'll play. Like Dan was like, well 1278 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 1: you didn't even ask us, Like we'll play whatever you want. 1279 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: And I think they expected us to pick one of 1280 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: their songs because they have a hundred love songs the best, 1281 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,280 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I picked the Beach Boys song. What 1282 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,720 Speaker 1: song did you pick? Forever? I don't know, and everyone. 1283 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 1: I said, make you laugh, I talk forever. Um. Dennis 1284 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Wilson wrote it. I didn't know that song. Jesse and 1285 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the Rippers later did it on Full House. Dennis Wilson 1286 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: wrote it and the drummer well, and they crushed it 1287 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: and for and they did, so they put it on. 1288 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,560 Speaker 1: They give us the file. They recorded it as well 1289 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: as a wedding gift ties and gave it to us. 1290 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,919 Speaker 1: It was awesome, amazing, And what was cool was even 1291 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Ronnie was like, hey, you don't want anything for your wedding, 1292 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Like I can't get you anything. What do you mean 1293 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: to sing? And I was like, that's the greatest gift ever. 1294 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: So he's saying, Neon Moon. It was awesome. Goodness is awesome. 1295 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: How did he remember the words? I worried too. I said, 1296 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: do we need to get that mike for you over 1297 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: on the side. We didn't. He knew the words though 1298 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,240 Speaker 1: at the cell phone here the whole time. All right, 1299 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: get tickets through on sale today. Keith Urban the Speed 1300 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,919 Speaker 1: of Now World to two. They're up. Go see him 1301 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,520 Speaker 1: this podcast. This show has heard in all kinds of countries, 1302 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: so obviously North America, but all over the world. Um, 1303 01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. I don't know 1304 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,600 Speaker 1: how you do it. It mains time is you. I 1305 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,520 Speaker 1: love what I do. I love what I get to do. 1306 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 1: And truly it's a game. You know. People go, oh, 1307 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,680 Speaker 1: it's a gift every day. It really is. And I'll 1308 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,880 Speaker 1: finish with this because I think it's what is what 1309 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: it's all about is I went like born with the 1310 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 1: addictive gene. I went to three rehabs in the span 1311 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 1: of three years. In the span of eight years, the 1312 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 1: first three, second one was two thousand and three, and 1313 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,960 Speaker 1: my third one was two thousand and six. And it 1314 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,560 Speaker 1: took what it took for me to finally get sober um. 1315 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: And that journey brought the deepest, deepest level of gratitude 1316 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,440 Speaker 1: for what I get to do that I don't know 1317 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640 Speaker 1: if I ever would have gotten that gratitude level without 1318 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 1: that journey. I think when you come close to losing 1319 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,760 Speaker 1: all of that and then it gets given back to 1320 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: you through grace. In my case getting back to me, 1321 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm never going to take this for 1322 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,000 Speaker 1: granted ever again. Does it make you a more giving 1323 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: person going? Because for me, I have found that growing 1324 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,680 Speaker 1: up a poverty kid and someone who's been through those 1325 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,240 Speaker 1: struggles with addiction. Secondary that affects me and how I 1326 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: treat other people. Do you think you were two different 1327 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 1: people before and after your final run, your your final 1328 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,280 Speaker 1: time and rehab. Very much? Yeah, and yes, I separate 1329 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: the person from the addiction. You are known as one 1330 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,720 Speaker 1: of the nicer guys in town, just generally by people 1331 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,520 Speaker 1: like Keith urban Is the nicest guy. Were you known 1332 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: early in your career? Is that guy? Were you always 1333 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 1: just completely dialed into the human aspect of people, because 1334 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: now you are and you're known for that. I like people, 1335 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: and then I like collaborating. I love Yeah, I love people. 1336 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 1: I've always loved people. You've always been a nice guy. 1337 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,760 Speaker 1: I've always I think I've always been um bridge builder. 1338 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm a bridge builder. I'm in entertaina. You know. I 1339 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,960 Speaker 1: think I was the that was the it was the 1340 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,840 Speaker 1: piece person. You know, if you have an identity in 1341 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: your home. I was the bridge building between my brother 1342 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and my father are always trying to kill each other. 1343 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the 1344 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,760 Speaker 1: one that keeps the peace here. And I think I've 1345 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: carried that into my life. All right, go to a show, 1346 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,040 Speaker 1: Listen to the music. Keith Urban. Thank you always good 1347 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,680 Speaker 1: to talk. Good to talk to you too. There he 1348 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: is Keith Urban.