WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Brain

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Jie McCormick. In today, it's all brains.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of brain content going on elsewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed this week,

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<v Speaker 2>so we figured, well, we got to do a brain film.

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<v Speaker 2>There have plenty to choose from. It was actually quite

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to decide on one, but we're we're also this

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of double purpose though, because we've been we've

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to hit some other countries in our Weird

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<v Speaker 2>House Cinema selections, and today's Weird House Cinema selection allows

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<v Speaker 2>us to check Canada off the list.

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<v Speaker 3>So our Canadian movie, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's our first Canadian film, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>you can taste the Canadian sensibilities in it, I feel yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, one thing to get out of the

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<v Speaker 3>way right at the beginning is that this is a

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<v Speaker 3>brain monster movie. And yes, you know who can deny

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<v Speaker 3>a good brain monster movie. You know you got Fiend

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<v Speaker 3>without a Face, you got the classics, and this one

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<v Speaker 3>is a sort of updated version of that fifties vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other way to look at The Brain nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty eight is that it is a pretty much perfect

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<v Speaker 3>mix of videodrome and final sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is kind of yeah, definitely with video drum.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back to that again and again. This is

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways, your discount video drome. This is your

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<v Speaker 2>your bottom shelf video drome selection.

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<v Speaker 4>This is your.

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<v Speaker 2>We have video drome at home, Timmy moments.

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<v Speaker 3>There's got plenty of Cronenberg back at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we got plenty chromeber back at home. None

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<v Speaker 2>of this is to say that this film is terrible

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<v Speaker 2>that you should watch it. I found this to be

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<v Speaker 2>very enjoyable. But no, get that sense.

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<v Speaker 3>This was very fun be horror. Yeah, thumbs up to

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<v Speaker 3>this one though, it absolutely is. It has very Cronenberg

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<v Speaker 3>ripoff vibes. Should we do the elevator pitch to help

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<v Speaker 3>ground us here? Yeah, let's do it, Okay, So the

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<v Speaker 3>elevator pitch for The Brain nineteen eighty eight is a

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<v Speaker 3>self help guru and a giant alien brain with pointy

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<v Speaker 3>teeth come together to create a cult of mindless psychic

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<v Speaker 3>thralls through the influence of a Canadian local access TV show,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is up to one extremely immature teen Rascal

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<v Speaker 3>and his girl Friday to defeat the teleneural conspiracy before

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<v Speaker 3>it takes over planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>YEP, that's absolutely accurate. Again, the video drone vibes are

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<v Speaker 2>strong and it definitely pays homage to pass Killer Brain films.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned, Feed with a Fiend Without a Face nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight, a horror film, one of the few horror films,

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<v Speaker 2>or a certain select number of horror films, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can find in the Criterion collection that one is about

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<v Speaker 2>brains and spinal columns being taken over by outside alien

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<v Speaker 2>minds and then coming alive and crawling out of people's bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>The other key film that it clearly was inspired by

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<v Speaker 2>is the nineteen fifty seven film The Brain from Planet Auros,

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<v Speaker 2>which features this big old alien brain with eyes floating around.

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<v Speaker 2>So in many ways, this film feels like a love

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<v Speaker 2>letter to those two films, and in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially Brain from Planet a Roosts, because it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>giant brain, like the Fiend without a Face has brains

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<v Speaker 3>that are normal sized brains coming out of people's bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they turn invisible somehow and they attack it,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're literally there are scenes of people like shooting it,

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<v Speaker 3>swarms of brains flying at them. But this one is

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<v Speaker 3>one giant brain. And it's very confusing because the giant

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<v Speaker 3>brain has a face. It has eyes, and it has

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<v Speaker 3>a nose, and it has a mouth with pointy teeth.

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<v Speaker 3>But a brain with a face is generally just a head.

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<v Speaker 3>So what this actually is is a head without a

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<v Speaker 3>skull or skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what it is is they probably saw a fiend

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<v Speaker 2>without a face, and you know, they're like, this is good,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know what, it's lacking face on it face.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of looks like a big gorilla face too,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the poster art for this film. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that years and years ago, and I got the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of a monster gorilla as opposed to a brain.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this movie is all about the brain. You

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<v Speaker 3>can tell that the director was in love with the

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<v Speaker 3>brain puppet they have created because it starts with the brain,

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<v Speaker 3>it ends with the brain. It's not like Jaws where

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<v Speaker 3>there's a long, slow build up to it. They're just

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<v Speaker 3>like instantly throwing the brain right at you and they

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<v Speaker 3>let you get a long, good look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, before you see a single human character. You see

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<v Speaker 2>the brain writhing around. I think it's preface at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a face yet, but writhing around and

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<v Speaker 2>its nutrient bay flog in its tentacles and or spinal

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<v Speaker 2>column around. Yeah, and then it just gets so much

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<v Speaker 2>screen time, so much screen time, and it looks good.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks it's definitely that, like you've made the distinction before.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks shlock monster movie good. There's never any doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that this is something that was lovingly created in somebody's garage.

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<v Speaker 2>But but it's always entertaining to look at.

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<v Speaker 3>I Like, one thing about the face of the brain

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<v Speaker 3>is that the brain grows a face right after it

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<v Speaker 3>eats a human, and so you kind of wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>like it learned how to do face by taking a

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<v Speaker 3>human inside of it. There's one part where it, like

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<v Speaker 3>the lobes of the brain kind of peel open like lips.

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<v Speaker 3>The two hemispheres open up along the fissure in the middle,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the cerebrum just gobbles up this lady. And

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<v Speaker 3>then right after that it just kind of poops a

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<v Speaker 3>face out of the front of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is a film that it doesn't help

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot. It doesn't give you a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>details to go on, which means there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, exposition to bog you down. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you like watching a weird film and trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out on your own what's happening, then this, this may

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<v Speaker 2>be the film for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, if you're thinking, I would like a Canadian horror

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<v Speaker 3>thriller with media and brainwashing vibes, something along the lines

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<v Speaker 3>of early eighties Cronenberg like Scanners or Videodrome, but less interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>less subversive, less depressing and dark and grimy and more

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of rubber monster and slime fun. This is

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<v Speaker 3>what you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's have just a sample of the audio here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that we even have a bit from

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<v Speaker 2>a trailer, because I was having a hard time finding

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<v Speaker 2>an actual English language trailer for this film, But we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to play something for you right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Your mediocre mind cannot begin to comprehend the importance of

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<v Speaker 5>my work. I suggest you look into your own neurotic behavior.

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<v Speaker 5>Then perhaps you will understand your continuing negativity.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to stop this insane research.

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<v Speaker 5>That thing isn't satisfied. Just controlling the minds of the

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<v Speaker 5>people who watch your TV show. It's apparent you and

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<v Speaker 5>I will no longer be able to work together. Fine

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<v Speaker 5>with me, but wait till I tell people what's really

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<v Speaker 5>going on around here. Now take that thing and bury

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<v Speaker 5>it where a.

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<v Speaker 3>Belongs, all right, So who made this thing?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start at the top with the director, ed

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<v Speaker 2>Hunt or Edward Hunt as I think they may be

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<v Speaker 2>actually excited on this. Raised in la but moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Canada in nineteen sixty nine and clearly brought the B

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<v Speaker 2>movie bug with.

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<v Speaker 4>Him in that move.

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<v Speaker 2>He made a film in nineteen seventy seven titled Starship Invasions,

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<v Speaker 2>which starred Robert Vaughan of Bullet and Lawyer commercial fame.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've actually, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, well no, did you know in our house

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<v Speaker 3>we've got a magnet on our fridge that's got Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Vaughan on it that's for some local personal injury lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>in Atlanta. And it doesn't identify like it's not. It

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<v Speaker 3>makes it look like this is a guy who works

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<v Speaker 3>for the law firm. He's like pointing a stern finger.

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<v Speaker 3>He kind of looks like pouy w nuts from the

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<v Speaker 3>sopranos like he's going to beat you up. He's dressed

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<v Speaker 3>in a suit and he looks like tough, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>fight for you. But then right underneath it, it says Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Vaughan spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Yeah. They used to air these on television

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta all the time. Maybe they still do, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't see them because I don't, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>because Robert Vaughn's dead doesn't mean you can't still, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be the spokesman for a law firm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they put fred as Stare in a vacuum commercial

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<v Speaker 3>after he died. They can put Lyndon Johnson and Forrest Gump.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not get Robert Vaughan to just make lawyer commercials

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<v Speaker 3>from beyond the Grave until a million years from now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Christopher Lee, his co star in that film, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I know, has not done lawyer commercials. But

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<v Speaker 2>that would be impressive if you had so. Anyway, ed Hunt,

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<v Speaker 2>he did a nineteen eighty one horror movie called Bloody

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday and the Brain was really the tail end of

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<v Speaker 2>his main period, his heyday of making films, as he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't direct another film until twenty fourteen's Halloween Hell, which

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<v Speaker 2>apparently starred Eric Roberts as Dracula, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>all you really need to know about that film. If

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<v Speaker 2>it starred Eric Roberts in the twenty first century, then.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, draw your own conclusions.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, but that would also count out the Christopher Nolan

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<v Speaker 3>Batman films.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't star Eric Roberts. But no, Eric Roberts. His

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<v Speaker 2>presence in a film is not necessarily a good sign.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's been in some things that I love, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was. He was probably in the best for my

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<v Speaker 2>money HP Lovecraft film. I forget what it was called, Callbough,

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<v Speaker 2>but he played like a wizard in it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, wait a minute, blind choice right now, two

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<v Speaker 3>movies you haven't seen, one in which Eric Roberts plays Dracula,

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<v Speaker 3>another in which post two thousands Rutger Hower plays Dracula.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one do you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>See? Those are both?

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<v Speaker 2>These are similar omens, right, because they were both in

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<v Speaker 2>some horrible films, But individually I like them both as

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<v Speaker 2>perform forms, as actors. I guess I'd go with rutger

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably suffer for it, but I would go with

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<v Speaker 2>rugger Hower.

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<v Speaker 3>Then what you are looking for. Is the Dario Argento

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<v Speaker 3>Dracula movie that I have never managed to watch more

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<v Speaker 3>than about thirty seconds off?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know that exists.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't look good. Okay, So here's the big question that

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<v Speaker 3>was just haunting me while I was watching this. I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to google it and I couldn't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But somehow you must have come across an information source

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<v Speaker 3>that I couldn't Where was this filmed? Because this movie

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<v Speaker 3>features some very familiar looking Canadian highways. You ever driven

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<v Speaker 3>around in Canada, you will see some familiar looking sort

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<v Speaker 3>of architecture, you know, residential architecture and highway signs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But also there's this big building in it that is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the brainwashing cult center in the movie. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering, what is this building? Is this some

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<v Speaker 3>like school with cool architecture? Were you able to figure

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<v Speaker 3>this out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is the headquarters or one of the headquarters

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<v Speaker 2>of a nefarious organization that wants to make exact copies

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<v Speaker 2>of things. It's that it's the Xerox Research Center of Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's in Ontario or outside of Ontario some way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in within Ontario. Sorry, okay, but yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I'm definitely the outsides. And I suspect the

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<v Speaker 2>interiors in this film as well, because there are some

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<v Speaker 2>fabulous factory interiors that look very authentic and in use.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but there are also these interesting a trio with

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<v Speaker 3>these very high ceilings and these terrorists is zigzagging walkways

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<v Speaker 3>with interesting looking railings. It's just a cool building.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That and some some suburbs that look like Freddy Krueger

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<v Speaker 2>should show.

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<v Speaker 4>Up in any moment, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like that, that that eighties level of XS

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<v Speaker 2>in housing.

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<v Speaker 5>Ye.

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<v Speaker 3>But now now that you say Ontario, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It does somehow look a little bit more eastern than

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<v Speaker 3>the areas I was thinking of, like in Alberta.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I can't remember the exact city in Ontario,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's in Ontario. Okay, you can go visit it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they want people to show up and ask

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<v Speaker 2>about the brain, right, you take the brain to her.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move on to the writer on this

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<v Speaker 2>one briefly, an individual by the name of the name

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<v Speaker 2>of Barry Pearson who wrote various things, but the one

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<v Speaker 2>that looked most interesting looking at the filmography is Iron

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<v Speaker 2>Road at two thousand and nine TV mini series directed

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<v Speaker 2>by David wu and starring Lee Soon, Sam Neil, and

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<v Speaker 2>Peter O'Toole. What Yeah, And this is the summary from

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<v Speaker 2>IMDb quote. A poor but feisty Chinese woman disguised as

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<v Speaker 2>a boy joins the railroad crew in the Rocky Mountains

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<v Speaker 2>to search for her long lost father and falls in

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<v Speaker 2>love with the son of the railroad tycoon. Sounds kind

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<v Speaker 2>of neat.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Sam Neil the son of the railroad tycoon? Or

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<v Speaker 3>is he the railroad tycoon?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he must be The two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 2>seems kind of late for Sam Neil to be playing

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<v Speaker 2>the love interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but who knows? And then who Puho's Peter o'tool play.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Let us place the train is he is the locomotive

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<v Speaker 3>Peter two.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's talk about some of the humans that

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<v Speaker 2>are acting in this film though, because, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>the really big one this is a film that has

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<v Speaker 2>a mad scientist type character in it. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of questions about their identity, but the actor playing

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<v Speaker 2>them is awesome. It is David Gayle, and the character

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<v Speaker 2>that David Gaale was playing is doctor Anthony either Blake

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<v Speaker 2>or Blakelee depending on who you're asking.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything on the internet said BLAKELYE like Blake l Why

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<v Speaker 3>but I watched this movie. I am certain they were

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<v Speaker 3>saying Blake unless they were just unless the l y

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<v Speaker 3>was silent. Did you ever hear anybody in the movie

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<v Speaker 3>say Blake Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>I never heard anyone say Blakely And in fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>fooled myself into thinking they were saying doctor Gail at

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<v Speaker 2>one point, just because the actor's name was doctor was

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<v Speaker 2>David Kale.

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<v Speaker 3>So David Gail is a tremendous villainous character actor. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know a lot of his work other than that

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<v Speaker 3>he was in Reanimator, but he was the villain and Reanimator,

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<v Speaker 3>and he has this excellent, conceited, smug, elderly patrician character energy.

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<v Speaker 3>He in some ways he by having a kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like elongated face and very upper crust yale mannerisms. He

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reminds me of John Kerry, former US Senator

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<v Speaker 3>and Secretary of State, but with a with a more

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<v Speaker 3>like nah, you know, like he's always like rubbing his

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<v Speaker 3>twiddling his mustache, though he doesn't have one. He's very

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<v Speaker 3>clean shaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he has his great presence because he has this

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<v Speaker 2>wonderfully expressive gaunt face. He has these piercing eyes, great voice,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has this smile that when he's he seems

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<v Speaker 2>like his natural smile is for one side to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sneer, like he has an anatomical sneer just built

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<v Speaker 2>into to his countenance, which I really like. And as

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<v Speaker 2>far as actress, he reminds me of there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of Christopher Lee there, I feel, and also

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of what's his name, Dan O'Herlihy was.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Dan O'Hurley, Yeah, the old man from RoboCop or

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<v Speaker 3>the villain from Halloween three.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Gail was younger than both of those actors I

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned. Gail lived nineteen thirty six through nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 2>so he sadly died way too young. He died due

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<v Speaker 2>to heart surgery complications. He managed to cubment himself as

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<v Speaker 2>a B movie icon before that, largely due to Reanimator,

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<v Speaker 2>in which he played Doctor Hill, and I think spends

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<v Speaker 2>most of the first movie and all of the second

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<v Speaker 2>movie as just a head in a pan like literally

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<v Speaker 2>chewing scenery. At times.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just imagine that, like, even after his head

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<v Speaker 3>is removed, he is getting immense pleasure from denying younger

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<v Speaker 3>scientists tenure. Yeah, you will never be accepted at this university.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's in the part of the tragedy is

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<v Speaker 2>like you look at his filmography prior to re Animator,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he did a fair amount of TV work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he worked in the New York stage before that,

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<v Speaker 2>British born, but sort of came up in the New

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<v Speaker 2>York stage. And after re Animator, you can see that

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<v Speaker 2>he's suddenly getting all these horror parts because now he's

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<v Speaker 2>branched off.

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<v Speaker 4>Into this new world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you see him show up in Pulse Pounders,

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<v Speaker 2>Tales from the dark Side. He was in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>The Guyver that we've mentioned before that was screaming mad

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<v Speaker 2>George's film. He was in a film called The Engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's like Sinn Engineer or something from nineteen ninety. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was really like cementing himself as this genre staple.

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<v Speaker 2>I even read that he was going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>villain in Kicks, that monster movie that we've both seen

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<v Speaker 2>about Killer Ticks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh we rented that from video Drome at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't remember who the villain in the movie was.

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember ticks.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at it, and I guess it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Clint Howard role. Though Clint Howard and David Gale

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<v Speaker 2>are two actors that are just miles apart, Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>both tremendous fun but I don't think of think of

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<v Speaker 2>them as competing for the same part, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Yeah, Gale didn't ultimately didn't have that many

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<v Speaker 2>horror B movie credits, that many weird roles, but the

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<v Speaker 2>ones he did have certainly stuck with us, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie's no exception, he really has quite a fun

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<v Speaker 2>presence in this.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say this movie is all about the villains

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<v Speaker 3>because we haven't even gotten to the young heroes yet,

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<v Speaker 3>the main characters, because they almost don't matter. This movie

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<v Speaker 3>is just about the villains. So you've got doctor Blake

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<v Speaker 3>played by David Gailee here is like the top villain

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<v Speaker 3>under the brain of course. Yeah, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the Henchman character, who I absolutely adored, is played by

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<v Speaker 3>this actor in to George Buza b u z A

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<v Speaker 3>maybe Buzza, but I guess it would be Buza, and

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<v Speaker 3>I had this this tickling mental experience where every time

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<v Speaker 3>Buza was on screen, I was like, he looks so familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>I must know him from seeing him in things throughout

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<v Speaker 3>the years, but I couldn't really figure out from.

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<v Speaker 2>What Buza is Like, you know, you hear about figures

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<v Speaker 2>that show up at all, like these pivotal moments in history,

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<v Speaker 2>but are largely unobserved. Like Buza is is that like

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<v Speaker 2>he's he has been in everything he and not only

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<v Speaker 2>is an actor, he's also done a ton of voice acting.

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<v Speaker 2>So for instance, one of his most well known roles

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<v Speaker 2>was voicing a beast on the nineties X Men cartoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, okay, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Also did he was in both Droids and and Ewoks,

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<v Speaker 2>both of the Star Wars animated series back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>the old ones before they were you know good uh so,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, he's just been in been all sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But the weird thing is, like watching this film, I

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<v Speaker 2>recognized him and yet could not place a single thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd actually seen him in.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the same mental experience here, but I also realized

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<v Speaker 3>that George Buza is a type we need to discuss this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very important category of older male character actor,

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<v Speaker 3>the Buza face. And so I know there are other

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<v Speaker 3>examples that aren't coming to mind, but a few that

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<v Speaker 3>do would be like George buck Flower, who's in you

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<v Speaker 3>all kind of like old Westerns and in They Live,

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<v Speaker 3>and then William Tokarski of Too Many Cooks fame. There

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<v Speaker 3>is something to do with like a like an older

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<v Speaker 3>male with like very strong facial hair and usually a

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<v Speaker 3>very heavy eyebrow line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the brow is key with this actor, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it should come as no surprise to anyone that he

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<v Speaker 2>had a bit part one of his early roles in

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<v Speaker 2>Jean Jacques Ennode's nineteen eighty one cave man picture The

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<v Speaker 2>Quest for Fire, alongside far far better known brow based

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<v Speaker 2>actors Ron Pearlman and Everett McGill.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've never put those guys together before on the

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<v Speaker 3>on the strong brow, but yes, you're right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean it's a caveman picture, so you know, that's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>on the brain. As far as his physicality, though, he

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<v Speaker 2>is a he's a big fella. Yeah, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's a bit rotun. But he is also very tall.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his height that was listened on the internet

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<v Speaker 2>is six four. So this guy's a monster.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know how some people love scenes in movies

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<v Speaker 3>where Tom Cruise runs. That's a particular cinematic fetish some

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<v Speaker 3>people have is the Tom Cruise running scene. And he

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<v Speaker 3>does it in most of his scenes. There's just extended

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<v Speaker 3>shots of him sprinting across flat spaces. I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that. But for George Buza. This movie

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<v Speaker 3>has several George Buza running scenes and I literally had

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<v Speaker 3>to rewind them. I just wanted to watch them over

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<v Speaker 3>and over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're so weird because he's Buzza's just booking it

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<v Speaker 2>and these scenes just straight out flat sprinting. In you

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<v Speaker 2>get the impression that maybe add the director didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to instruct people running, or there was some breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>in communication, because I feel like you don't really need

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<v Speaker 2>to run that fast to get the sense of chasing

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<v Speaker 2>after somebody in the film. But he's just booking it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's wearing all white, which doesn't help. It just

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<v Speaker 2>makes him look even larger and maybe even more like

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<v Speaker 2>he shouldn't be running that fast, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>get concerned for his health.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he's wearing like a nurse's scrubs, like this

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<v Speaker 3>all white outfit. His we should mention also his facial hair.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a goatee that is so thick and luxurious.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a mink stole. You know. It just looks

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely glossy and super thick and like the warm fur

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<v Speaker 3>code of a northern region's dwelling animal.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so all of that, all of that glory

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<v Speaker 3>at full sprint. Yeah, sometimes carrying an act. Yeah, yeah. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>his facial hair is glorious. And you know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>looking at his his tremendous filmography, and I noticed that

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<v Speaker 3>he he's voice Santa Claus before. But he also played

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<v Speaker 3>Santa in the twenty fifteen horror movie A Christmas Horror Story,

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<v Speaker 3>in which he fights Crampis. I haven't seen this, Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>I have watched this with my dad one year for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>We arrived at my parents' house and my dad, I

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<v Speaker 3>think he had just finished watching it and like backed

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<v Speaker 3>it up to the beginning. He was like, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to see this and George Buza as Santa Claus.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll have more to say about Buza as

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<v Speaker 2>we progress here, But I guess just to run through

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<v Speaker 2>a few other people. Let's see. Tom Bresnan plays Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim is our our hero. He's the main male kid.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's identified more in the movie by his last name.

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<v Speaker 3>His character is James Jim Magaluski or Magicvski, and everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>usually calling him Majielevski. And there is at least one

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<v Speaker 3>point in the movie where I caught the movie spelling

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<v Speaker 3>its own main character's name wrong, because so the evil

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<v Speaker 3>brain monster communicates through it through a computer screen to

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<v Speaker 3>its henchmen with words on the screen. And there's one

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<v Speaker 3>part where it spells his name and it's spelled wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>It spells it like Magio well Luski.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tom does a good job playing Jim. Nothing really

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<v Speaker 2>to write home about, but it's fine. Likewise, the actor

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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia Preston plays his love interest, Janet, and again perfectly fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing really to write home about here, but she is

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<v Speaker 2>a Canadian actress that's been in a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>including the recent Jack Ryan series on Amazon. She was

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenty thirteen Carrie remake, and she's popped up

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 2>on the TV series American Gods.

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<v Speaker 3>The main thing I remember about her is actually just

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 3>the color scheme of her sweater in the second half

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 3>of the movie, which is very Miami Vice. It's this

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 3>combination of like light blue and pink. Yeah, you know

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 3>that Miami Vice color scheme.

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, yeah, So yeah, her sweater does as good

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>a job as she does in this thing.

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I didn't mean to. I mean she's fine.

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>No, no, she's fine. I legitimately mean that both of

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>these actors do a good job, young actors getting it

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>done in a movie that's, you know, not meant for

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the top shelf, but you know it's fine.

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there's an actress in the film named Christine Cossack

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:33.119
<v Speaker 3>who has the distinct honor of being the first character

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 3>in the film to be eaten alive by the hemispheres

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 3>of the brain.

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 4>That's right.

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>She plays Vivian, who is the the brain crew's other

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>minion she pops up.

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 3>She seems to be like a real medical professional, like

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 3>she's just trying to do her job. Meanwhile her co

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 3>workers are trying to hypnotize people with brain poison.

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she didn't last too long. But while she's

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>on screen and then she pops up later is kind

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.919
<v Speaker 2>of a hallucination like an avatar taken on by the

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 2>brain when it's messing with Jim. While when she's in

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 2>the film, though, she she has this kind of like

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>solid B movie vixen vibe to her, so she's, you know,

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 2>she's entertaining, and then she's eaten by that brain. It

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 2>looks like the actor Cossack. She she wasn't in much

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>besides this. I think she has two other credits, and

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 2>if you look her up on IMDb, her IMDb photo

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>is her being eaten by the brain.

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Whether that was her choice or her agent's choice or well,

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who edits those IMDb pages, whoever made

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 3>that choice. It's a good one thumbs out. But she's

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 3>good at it, good sense of humor. Yeah, you know.

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 3>One thing I liked about this movie was the music.

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 3>The opening credits had some fun, had some fun, kind

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:55.679
<v Speaker 3>of kicking into high gear electronic music that was paired

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 3>with a red blade runner title style text that set

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 3>the pretty well.

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the music, and this one is actually quite good.

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>It's an electronic score by Paul Zaza, a Canadian musician

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 2>who's done a lot of film and TV work over

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the years. He composed the score for nineteen eighty one's

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 2>My Bloody Valentine, nineteen eighties prom night, and of course

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three is a Christmas story.

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Real a few.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he seems to be you know, diverse talent here.

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>He can do a lot of different types of scores,

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but this one in particular has a lot of like

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>glittering synth cascades and some spooky drum machine beats you know,

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 2>in the background, that.

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Kind of thing.

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So like, yeah, it's cheesy eighties movie music, but it's

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 3>it's the good version of that.

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So I actually listened to this all morning

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 2>while I was working on notes for this, and well

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>not all morning, but the period of the morning which

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I worked on notes for this, I played it because

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>it's on Spotify you can and pretty much anywhere you

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 2>get digital music these days. You can look up the

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 2>soundtrack by Paul Zaza for The Brain and it's al tremendous.

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 2>But then there's also this vocal track on there titled

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>right Now, and there's like a female vocalist singing and

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the full chorus is right now you better show me

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>your mind, which wait, great because it's the Brain.

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 3>So it's like a pop single for the film. Yeah,

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 3>that is a thing I miss is the It was

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 3>a big thing in the nineties to have a pop

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 3>song from the original motion picture soundtrack, So a will

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 3>Smith movie would have a track that went with it,

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 3>like Wild Wild West or something, or Men in Black,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 3>and I miss things like that. I like it when

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 3>there is an original pop song for the film.

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it gives you something to play immediately over the

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 2>end credits oftentimes.

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 4>I really like that too.

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Now, speaking of the sound in this movie, I just

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 2>have to say, this is one of those where I

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 2>had to put subtitles on just because there was so

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>many either low talkers or like the audio for the dialogue.

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Was just so much lower weird.

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so I not when Gail was talking, not

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>when people were screaming, but the rest of the time,

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.679
<v Speaker 2>like anytime a teenager is talking to another teen I

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't understand a word of it and had to

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's either turn up the volume to where

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the neighbors are complaining about the subsequent screams, or it's

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>just read stuff as it happens.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, their friend Willie, I don't think I heard

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 3>a word he said in the movie. Yeah, Okay, should

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 3>we do the full plot breakdown.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:26.959
<v Speaker 4>Let's do it.

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 3>So one of the first things we get in the

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 3>film is just a brain in a big dish with

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 3>green liquid bubbling all over the place. So they let

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 3>you know right from the beginning this is a brain

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 3>monster movie.

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 3>And then we cut to a standard Canadian suburban household

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 3>and there is a I guess a mom watching TV

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 3>while her sort of moody teen daughter is up in

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>her room, I think, putting on Emo makeup. And this

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 3>thing comes on TV and it's this guy played by

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 3>David Gail. He comes out and it shows a sign

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 3>displaying to the audience that says applaud more, smile more,

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 3>which was pretty good. And the title of this TV

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>show is Independent Thinkers. We get a voiceover that says,

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 3>here's your guide to independent thinking, doctor Anthony Blake, and

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Gail comes out and he's doing a self help guru routine.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 3>It is the kind of thing you might have seen

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 3>for I don't know, it's probably kind of like the

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Robins seminars of the nineteen eighties or something, right, Yeah,

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 3>But so he's this self help guru who runs this

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 3>place called the psychological Research Institute. It seems to be

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 3>some kind of combination of a psyche like an actual

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 3>psychiatric care facility, but it's also like the scientology celebrity center.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like both of those things together.

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, except in an enormous industrial complex.

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is actually here. This is the Xerox Center. Yeah.

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And so doctor Blake on TV said, is that

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 3>this is the biggest show in the metro area. They

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 3>don't say the name of the city, but it seems

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 3>like it's a local show, and they're saying, you know,

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 3>pretty soon we're going to go nationwide and worldwide. And

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 3>he's selling solutions to the problems faced by everyday households.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 3>He says, you know, we face problems in this nation

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 3>of teenage alienation, drugs, alcohol, suicide, and what's the answer. Well,

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 3>the answer seems to be watching his tapes and watching

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 3>his show. Was there another answer beside that he might

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 3>have said something, but I don't quite recall.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I kind of kind of left it as

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>if maybe if you were to watch the full show,

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, there would be more answers. But we're just

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>getting a glimpse of it because it's ultimately not important like,

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>we just assume that there's lots of additional content.

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Right well, I think it is absolutely authentic to self

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 3>help literature and self help and that includes video content

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 3>and stuff that at least half of the content of

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>self help literature is promises being made about how this

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 3>is going to help you, rather than the actual help content.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Right though, he's not selling vitamins or anything, no, that

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I could tell.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>One thing I liked in the screen was it had

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 3>that old thing where somebody's watching a TV screen and

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>it's clear that this is just really being filmed on

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 3>the TV because you get that flickering effect across the

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 3>screen in the film that I'm not positive, but I

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 3>believe that's a problem of synchronization between the shutter speed

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 3>of the film camera and the refresh rate of the TV.

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 3>So if they get synced up in a weird or

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 3>off way, you get these flickers or rolling lines and whatever.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I admired that as well.

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I always like to see it. But so anyway,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>it's clear that everybody watches the show. Everybody's parents are

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 3>tuning in to Independent Thinkers with doctor Anthony Blake, and

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 3>the main thing that seems to happen on Independent Thinkers

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 3>is everybody watches and then they just repeat verbatim whatever

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 3>doctor Anthony Blake said said to tell them to think

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 3>independently about. So the teen girl goes up to her

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 3>room and she's putting on makeup, and she's clearly, you know,

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I think she's experiencing some of this teenage alienation that

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.959
<v Speaker 3>is being talked about on the show. But then she

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 3>starts seeing crazy stuff in her room. Her teddy bear

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 3>starts weeping blood. And then these clawed hands burst out

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 3>of the TV set in her room and then out

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 3>of the closet door, and then there are wall tentacles

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 3>everywhere and they're all flopping around and I like that

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 3>there are these nice, slimy real puppets I'll just flopping

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 3>all over the place. Her mom, oh, Zul like Zeel,

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 3>like yes, yeah, no, Dana, only Zuel, only Zuel coming

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 3>out of the closet and the TV. And then her

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 3>mom comes up to her room and her and a

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 3>tentacle from out of the wall attacks her mom and

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 3>starts choking her mom. And the girl tries to help

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.959
<v Speaker 3>her mom by like stabbing at the tentacle with some scissors.

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>But then there's this like realization that actually this was

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>all a hallucination and actually she has just stabbed her

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 3>own mom. And then we see like the mirror that

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 3>she'd been putting on makeup in, there's a brain on

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 3>the other side of it, hammering at the glass, and

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 3>then she just jumps out the window. So I think

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 3>we're getting some kind of brainwashing and doctrination process that

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 3>is causing people to hallucinate tentacles and monsters all over

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 3>the place that will cause them to stab their parents.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>The what I got from it, and I think maybe

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 2>they flesh it out a bit later, is that the

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>mind control that's going on is that if you accept it,

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>if you give into the mind control, then you just control.

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>You're just like all the parents. You're like one of

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the zombies. But if you're a true freethinker, if you're

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>resisting the brainwashing, then that's when the hallucinations occur because

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>your mind is fighting back. So you know, she's an

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>emo teenager, she's not going with the script, and since

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.239
<v Speaker 2>that's not happening, the hallucinations kick in.

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 4>She's killed by the whole process.

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>Right because she's like, I don't want to watch doctor Blake.

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Mom I just want to listen to the curor, and

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 3>of course ends in tragedy. So then we cut to

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 3>our We meet our young hero, Jim Madilevski, and he

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 3>is a turbotwerp. He is very The way I would

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 3>describe him is that his personality he has two personality characteristics,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>and those are lust and pranks. I was watching with

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Rachel and she said he was radicalized by Mad magazine.

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does have that vibe to him. And yet

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, we're told that he is one

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 2>of the smartest children, one of the smartest teens in

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>this in the school, like he's brilliant. He's like, it's

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 2>almost like he's too brilliant to fire, even though he's

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>a complete pain in the butt.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. There's a point later on where one of the

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 3>vice principals is meeting with his parents because James has

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 3>been naughty at school again, and they're like, he has

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 3>one of the highest IQ's in the school, but he

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 3>is bad. And I'm like, wait a minute, you're comparing

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 3>all of the students IQ's in this school. I didn't

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 3>realize that was a common practice in high schools.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, maybe the Canadian school system I don't know.

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Maybe well, so anyway, when we first meet Jim Madgielevski,

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 3>he gets into his car in the morning to drive

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 3>to school, and I think he drives by the house

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.439
<v Speaker 3>where this horrible scene we just saw had taken place

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.800
<v Speaker 3>the night before, and their police everywhere, and the announcer

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 3>on the radio, the DJ is like, well, we just

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:29.240
<v Speaker 3>had three more murder suicides and now here's Joan Jet

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 3>and we get a rock song, And then I thought

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 3>this was funny. When Jim actually arrives at school, these

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 3>scenes are so quiet it is really unnerving. So you

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>see lots of students standing around, but there's no chatter

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 3>sound effects to fill out the environmental noise of the scene.

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 3>You could just hear a pin drop. So it's really

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 3>unsettling in a way that I'm not sure.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 4>It was supposed to be interesting. Yeah.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 3>But also, so we meet Jim Madgelevski's girlfriend, Janet, and

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:04.959
<v Speaker 3>and despite Mazhelevsky us being told that he is very

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 3>smart and an actual independent thinker, he is not smart

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 3>enough or at least not disciplined enough to do his

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 3>own homework and he has to copy his girlfriend's homework.

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's not a lot to love about this guy.

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>During the introduction.

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Here, yeah. Oh, and then also before he goes to class,

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 3>he goes into the bathroom and he gets out of

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 3>his pocket a container that is labeled like pure elemental

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 3>sodium so metallic sodium, which I'm sure we've talked about

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 3>this on the show before that if you combine pure

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 3>elemental sodium with water, there will be extremely I guess

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 3>you would call it an exothermic reaction. It will cause

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 3>it will basically explode, catch on fire, and it's really bad.

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.240
<v Speaker 3>He gets out this pure sodium tablet and just puts

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>it in the toilet and flushes it, which causes the

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 3>vice principle in the bathroom to become doused in water.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 3>And the vice principal suspects Majelewski of being responsible for this,

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 3>but he's just like, hey, what about innocent till proven guilty?

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>We should stress just like the movie itself stresses that

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>you should not try this at home.

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 3>The closing credits, it's the first thing you see, like

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 3>not even a before you see a single human credit.

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>There's a disclaimer at the end of the movie that

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 3>is like, do not put sodium in your plumbing, extreme

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:28.280
<v Speaker 3>injury could result.

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so seriously, don't do it.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's funny to imagine. So who is the

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 3>legal council for production of The Brain nineteen eighty eight

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 3>who told them they had to put that in there.

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm guessing just is another big brain

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.240
<v Speaker 2>in a tank. That's just like watching the film. It's like, nope, nope,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>disclaimer on that.

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 4>That's all right.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 3>But I guess it is actually the sodium in the

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 3>toilet sequence that leads to the parent teacher conference where

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 3>we find out that James has one of the highest

0:37:55.560 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 3>IQ's in the school, but he is very badly behaved,

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 3>and they tell him that it is your attitude that

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 3>is causing your anti social behavior. But fortunately the teachers

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 3>and administrators they've got an answer, and the answer is

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 3>he's got to watch doctor Blake's tapes.

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really it's it's it's a this was

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna work out great. We have the like a leading

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>figure in self help. It's based in the same city,

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.399
<v Speaker 2>and he has these tapes. He has this center. Let's

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 2>hook Jim up with some help.

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 3>At some point, somebody says doctor Blake wouldn't be on

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 3>TV if he wasn't good.

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:33.760
<v Speaker 4>Valid.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's perfect logic. Yeah, And so they send Majelevski

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 3>to the Psychological Research Institute. This is where we first

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.320
<v Speaker 3>get into this big, interesting building, and of course while

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 3>he's there, he's wandering around trying to get you know,

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 3>get processed, to get his paperwork done, to meet with

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 3>doctor Blake and I don't know, get diagnosed, or find

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 3>out how he can have better behavior at school. And

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 3>so we meet a few characters along the way. There.

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 3>We meet a person who is a patient at the

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 3>PRI who seems to be suffering from some kind of hallucination.

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 3>And then we also meet George Bouza, who what is

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 3>the character's name, Actually.

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>It is Verna, I believe, hmm.

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't remember that. I just thought of him

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 3>as Booza throughout the movie.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:19.959
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, Booze is better.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 3>We meet Bouza and then Magjelevsky goes in for his session,

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 3>and it's hard to describe exactly what happens here. So

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 3>he meets Christine Cossack, the nurse there, and they hook

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>electrodes up to his head and do you remember the

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 3>sequence of what exactly happens here. I'm a little fuzzy

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 3>on this.

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a weird sequence. It's it's actually pretty pretty

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 2>effective because, yeah, they're hooking him up. There's some she's

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 2>asking him questions and they're showing him a video, right,

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and then.

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know they're trying to brainwash him. Actually, they

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 3>hook him up to the electrodes that are secretly, unbeknownst

0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 3>to him in the other room, hooked up to the

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 3>giant killer brain. Though I guess we haven't seen the

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 3>brain kill anybody, and so I think what they're trying

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 3>to do is just like indoctrinate him into becoming a

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 3>psychic thrall of the giant brain creature. So they've got

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 3>the electrodes on him and they're showing him a video

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>of Vivian this lady like holding an apple. But then

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to make him see it as a baseball.

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 3>But I think the implication is that because Madgielewski thinks

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 3>for himself and doesn't just do what other people tell him,

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't see the baseball. He just sees the apple

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 3>in her hand. And then instead he starts having horny hallucinations.

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Right suddenly, she's topless, but then she's also stepping out

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>of the television into his physical space. And this is

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 2>definitely a moment where we get very videodromy you know,

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>definitely strong videodrone vibes in this sequence.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 3>And somehow he ends up meeting doctor Blake here and

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 3>it's clear that this kid is not going to be

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 3>effectively indoctrinated, and he gets creeped out and he leaves.

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 3>And then back in the brain room, we have doctor

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Blake and Vivian and Bouza and they're all hanging out

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 3>around the brain and it's green tub and talking about

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 3>what's what's just happened and why the indoctrination did not

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 3>take effect, and she gets frustrated. She's like starts complaining

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 3>about the working conditions in the brain lab and is like, well,

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 3>we can no longer work together. I'm leaving. And so

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 3>you're thinking, like, oh, good for her, she should go

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 3>get a job in a non you know, brain psychic

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 3>thrall center. But then the brain whoops, It opens up

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 3>its mouth, it's two hemispheres, and it just gobbles her

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 3>up and then grows a face.

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how it goes down pretty much cover it. Sorry, yeah,

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>no no, but it's it's it's a great sequence. Like

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a sequence where a monta rubber monster suit eats

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>a woman entirely, like with her legs, you know, kicking

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 2>out the back. It's very reminiscent of a lot of

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 2>old horror monster movies. So it's again a sequence where

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 2>you can really, you can really see how much love

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 2>they had for these older, like fifties and sixties monster films.

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Does the brain burp?

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it burps, but it well could have,

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and it would have been totally appropriate.

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So after this, we see Mandzelewski leaving and he

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 3>is driving his car and there is a steering wheel

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 3>tongue attack. I think what's happening here is that now

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 3>that he has resisted the brain's attempts to indoctrinate him

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>with the electrodes, now he's just gonna have continuous hallucinations

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 3>of the brain trying to kill him that will in

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 3>reality cause him to actually like wreck cars and stuff.

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 3>So the steering wheel comes off in his hands and

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>it starts spitting out a tentacle tongue at him, and

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 3>it causes him to wreck his car.

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty much's pretty much what's happening, which which

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 2>is a great I think it's a pretty great little premise,

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, tying into two actual issues of

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>like teen alienation, you know that we often see reflected

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.439
<v Speaker 2>in these horror films where teenagers are going up against

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 2>the adult system of their local town. You know, it's

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty you know, wisely put together.

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So Majeleowski goes to meet his friends. He goes

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 3>to meet Janet at the burger bar where she works,

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 3>and he's just the immediately hallucinating tentacles in the pickle

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 3>jar and stuff. And also their other friends are there.

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 3>They've got a couple of other friends, I think one

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 3>of them is named Willie, and he's freaking out in

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 3>the burger bar, but George Buza catches up to him,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 3>and Buza comes in and drugs him, takes him back

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to pri I.

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>This was a whole sequence where my wife was briefly

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>tolerating this film. I was watching it and I commented

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to her as like, I don't think Jim's gonna be

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>able to defeat this brain, Like Jim is losing hard

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to team Brain at this point.

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 3>But he's an independent thinker, so we can at least

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 3>count on him to come up with outside the box solutions,

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 3>but she does in the end sort of.

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.879
<v Speaker 3>So we're back at pri I again where we just were,

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 3>and this time Janet has to come to the rescue

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 3>with Willy to get him out, and so somehow he

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 3>escapes his room. I think he runs into the patient

0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 3>that he was talking to earlier, who sneaks into his

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 3>room and trades places with him, letting him out.

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 3>And then Janet and I think Willy are busting him out,

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 3>and then Willy gets eaten by the brain, right, Like,

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 3>the brain attacks them in the boiler room of this

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 3>place and it just gobbles him up.

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>The brain requires underlings, clearly, but yet is very confident

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>on its own if it needs to lash out at

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>somebody within the Xerox facilities here, right.

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 3>And then we get we get a part of the

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 3>movie that I thought was just maybe my favorite part,

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 3>which is just George Buza chasing Janet and Madgelevski for

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, solid fifteen minutes.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is that full bore running.

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, just running after them. And then they get in

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 3>the car and flee and he's chasing them in the car.

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 3>At one point, George Buza chops off a CoP's head

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 3>with an axe, and then another police car arrives on

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 3>the scene and he start Booza's flagging them down, but

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 3>he's got the axe in his hand.

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>You get the impression that David Gayle's character that the

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>doctor just told him like, look, we got it. This

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>town is brainwashed. You can do absolutely whatever you need

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to do. You need to chop the head off of

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.240
<v Speaker 2>a cop and brought daylight by the roadside, do it

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 2>because the brain has your back on this one.

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so he flags down the cops and seems

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 3>to get I think he's like, Jim did it. It

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 3>was Majielevski last. So they're on the run for a while.

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 3>They go into a house and they come across a

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 3>lady who is just happens to be watching Independent Thinkers

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 3>on TV. Again, it seems like all anybody in this

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>town does is just watch the show all day. And

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 3>it's David Gail, through the tear starts psychically communicating directly

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:06.720
<v Speaker 3>with her, saying like, how many times has your husband

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 3>refused to watch this show? If he wants you he

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 3>must watch me.

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I think this should be our next next time they

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>ask us to do a promo for the podcast, we

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>should do it like that. We should say how many

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 2>times has your spouse refused to listen to the Weird

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>House Cinema episodes?

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 4>Assertive?

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:29.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, we should enforce like cult separation policies on our listeners.

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Like fans, you either bring all of your friends and

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 3>family in as listeners themselves, or you cut them off.

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:36.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm just kidding.

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Don't please, don't do that.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Don't do that.

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 2>But but this is missus Woods and so did we

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 2>next see her go outside and try and convince mister Woods?

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this was the vice principal earlier that Madjelevski did

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 3>his Mad magazine sodium bomb on and was telling his

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 3>parents about his bad behavior. So now he's out building

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 3>a deck in his backyard and it turns out he

0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 3>won't watch this show with his wife, and then his

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 3>wife comes out and kills him by shoving a chainsaw

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 3>into like his stomach crotch area.

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he refused to listen because he's like, look,

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I told you, I just don't like it, and she's

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like all right, and then she kills them with a chainsaw.

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.399
<v Speaker 2>A fine little extra bit of connections on these two.

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>The actor playing mister Woods was in the two thousand

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 2>adaptation of The X Men. Oh, and he played like

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody attending the Magneto at some point. It's just some

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 2>bit part I believe. But Buza was also in that

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>as a truck driver. And I can't help but wonder

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>if they put Buza in it since he was, you know,

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the voice of Beast in the Cometoon. But then oh,

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, no, no, no, I was gonna say. The other

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 2>connection is that the actor playing Missus Woods here was

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.399
<v Speaker 2>actually in a David Cronenberg film. Really, she was in

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 2>The Fly and she played a nurse.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Interesting, well, I like how after she kills her

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 3>husband with the chainsaw, she starts like she flags down

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 3>a police car. I guess they're just driving by all

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 3>the time, and she's like, Madgielevski cut my husband in half.

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 3>So they're just blaming all crime on Magelevski. He's omnipresent.

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Everything that happens goes wrong in the city. It's like, oh,

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>light bulb burned out, must have been Majelevski.

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the brain really is controlling everything.

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 3>So they end up Janet and uh, what's his name?

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.319
<v Speaker 3>And Magjelevski end up going to their high school, which

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 3>should be empty because it's a Saturday, and there's a

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.280
<v Speaker 3>scene where Janet calls her dad on the on the phone,

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.919
<v Speaker 3>who is a fan of the Doctor Blake Show, and

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 3>she's like, Dad, we're on the run and he's been brainwashed.

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 3>He's just like that boy is dangerous. He's a psycho killer.

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Despite being on the run for their lives. In standard

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 3>movie logic, they decide to stop and have some romance

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 3>on the floor of the chemistry lab, and then there

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 3>is a brain attack, but it turns out it's just

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 3>a dream and Madgelevsky wakes up on the floor at

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the school. Unfortunately, when he goes looking for Janet, he

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 3>finds her watching Independent Thinkers on TV. I don't know

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 3>why she decided to do that, but she has now

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 3>been hypnotized and she thinks he's a murderer, so she

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 3>pulls the alarm summons the police, and then there's another

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 3>chase scene and this gives rise to I think the

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 3>weakest part of the movie, which is a long, padded

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 3>out car chase that you can tell it looks like

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 3>they shot additional footage for to make it even longer.

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 3>Magielewski grabs a car, I think from the auto shop

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 3>class and drives away, and then the cops are chasing

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.720
<v Speaker 3>him and they just drive for a long time.

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's easy to kind of tune out during this

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:35.959
<v Speaker 2>part of the film, but it's leading to something great.

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, well, he eventually drives his car off of

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what this cliff was supposed to be.

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.279
<v Speaker 3>He drives his car off of like a ten thousand

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 3>foot drap.

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we almost get that classic car exploding at the

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 2>bottom of a canyon scene. Tunes is the driving cat moment.

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm a little skeptical that there are drop offs this

0:49:55.719 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 3>far in Ontario, but of course this is a standard,

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, horror thriller structure, so you know what's gonna happen.

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 3>They've got to go back to pri and face the brain.

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 3>So Magic goes back and they're about to do a

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.760
<v Speaker 3>big broadcast at this place that will send the brain's

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 3>control signal out into millions of viewers and seemingly hypnotize

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>the whole world. And the brain is communicating with doctor

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Blake and Buza through these readoubts on a screen and

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:27.439
<v Speaker 3>it's like Madjaluvski is here, but it spells his name

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>wrong like I mentioned earlier, and I love how it

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 3>it's got this interesting syntax. The brain says things like

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 3>words are the tools of any fool. I want action.

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Three exclamation points.

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Really, those are the type of signals that your brain

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 2>is sending to your feet, your hands, in any part

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of your body at any point. It's just like fools move.

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:54.279
<v Speaker 3>For me, yeah, yeah, motor control. So the brain tries

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to do a few things. It tries to give Madjialuvski

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 3>more like Randy hallucinations in order to throw him off course,

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't work, and then he somehow Matjielevski runs

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.680
<v Speaker 3>into his parents. It looks like they're having a party

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 3>in this place, but they're fully brainwashed. Now they're just

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 3>like my son the psycho killer get him. And so

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 3>it all comes down to a big confrontation where finally,

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 3>in the end, how do you think, if you just

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 3>had to guess you the listener, how does Madjelevsky kill

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:27.720
<v Speaker 3>the brain In the end.

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.840
<v Speaker 2>If you guessed sodium, then you are absolutely correct.

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 3>So what does he do well?

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Well? For one of the first things that happened is

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 2>there's a big showdown on the set of an independent thing.

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I almost.

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Get to that.

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, No, what happens here?

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it's it's the big moment, right, this is

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the big broadcast. This is gonna be the one that

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 2>takes over the world. So Jim mage here. He gets

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:58.959
<v Speaker 2>on the stage and confronts him, and you know, Gail

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 2>tries to the doctor, tries to to, you know, to

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 2>win him over one last time with a small evil monologue,

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:07.760
<v Speaker 2>but he's not having any of it. So Jim punches

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:10.240
<v Speaker 2>him and it's a real humdinger of a punch because

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it punches his head completely off his body and there's

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 2>green goop everywhere, and then we realize that he's not

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>even human. Where we're not sure, because there's at least

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.919
<v Speaker 2>one point in the film where someone's saying, what would

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I told you if I told you that Doctor Blake

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>is an alien? So maybe he's an alien. Maybe he's

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>some sort of like flesh android made by the brain

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 2>or serving the brain. Or perhaps doctor Blake is an

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 2>alien and the brain is actually his brain. I don't know.

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>You work it out for yourselves. We're only we're only

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 2>given so many pieces to play with to try and

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 2>build this puzzle. But at any rate, his head is

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 2>punched off and it rolls over and it's in a

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.239
<v Speaker 2>puddle of green goop and reminds us all of Reanimator,

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.359
<v Speaker 2>in which David Gayla is often just a head as well.

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Wait, I can't remember what happens to Buza in the end.

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Does something It's eaten by the brain.

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, Yeah, so he wasn't whatever doctor Blake was.

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Buza was not like that. Buza was just an earth

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 3>human with red blood.

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was just an eager, perhaps brain washed underling.

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he ends up he's chasing him, chasing the kids,

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and the brain's after the kids, and for some reason

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>he runs into the brain and the brain is like,

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't take it any more. Your soda delicious. I'm

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 2>just gonna eat you, and he eats Buza.

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 3>So the elemental sodium goes into the brain's mouth and

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 3>it explodes.

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's a big, fiery like fireworks explosion.

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty great.

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh and of course he u Majaluski rescues his girlfriend

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Janet so they're okay in the end, but then we

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.280
<v Speaker 3>get a stinger after that when it seems like evil

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 3>has been conquered and everything's okay again, But then we

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 3>just get a stinger of it's like a it's like

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:55.640
<v Speaker 3>a triangle shaped wipe on the screen that just fills

0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:59.040
<v Speaker 3>the screen with the brain going like a right.

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, chasing it lungeon at y out of.

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 3>The dark, and I don't know what it's supposed to mean.

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.239
<v Speaker 3>This is like, wait, was it not killed? After all?

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not presented in the context of any scene or anything.

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 3>It just shows you the brain at the end.

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it was like it's kind of like

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a casting cause, like Ladies and Gentlemen one more time.

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:15.479
<v Speaker 4>The brain.

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 2>What an awesome wasn't it the best part of this film?

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 2>And everyone's like yeah, and then you're.

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Just roll credits really really good. But before it gets

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.319
<v Speaker 3>to the credits, of course, there's the warning about not

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 3>using sodium like you saw in this film. Yeah, especially

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 3>because the very ending of Videodrome, if you'll recall, is

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 3>that the main character dies by imitating an act of

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 3>violence that he saw on television.

0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 2>That's right, yeah, yeah, but Ben wil since I've seen

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Video Drome in full. I have a copy of it

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Criterion Collection in Facts.

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got that too. Okay, monster science.

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:52.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, you know, there's not a lot to

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 2>go on here. We've got a big old brain with tentacles,

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and as it grows it develops eyes and teeth as well,

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and so to a large extent. You know, again, it's

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>just a great schlocky monster suit. It's a manifestation of

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 2>humanity's terror at being a brain. But then the film

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.720
<v Speaker 2>does seem to be flirting with the idea of humans

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 2>versus brains as well, you know, you versus your own brain,

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.759
<v Speaker 2>you versus the brains of others, especially on the other

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 2>side of.

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 4>The media lens. Here.

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 2>So when considering a brain that grows eyes and teeth,

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I can't help but think of this little like rather

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>crude little bit of dialogue and william S Burrows make

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.959
<v Speaker 2>it lunch this applying to another part of the anatomy,

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>but here we could easily apply it to the brain.

0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Like the brain is getting to where it can eat,

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it can see, it can chew, it doesn't need the

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 2>rest of us anymore. Like we're seeing this brain evolve

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and in doing so, like the brain is kind of

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 2>becoming less dependent upon the on bodies, and so it's

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 2>like we're almost like we're watching the film not as

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 2>brains but as bodies.

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh what if the brain in this film is not

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 3>an alien from another planet, but it is just straightforwardly

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.239
<v Speaker 3>a human brain. It is a human brain that has

0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.879
<v Speaker 3>been freed of the constraints of the rest of its

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.840
<v Speaker 3>body and is thus as alien to us as a

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 3>creature from another planet would.

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Be righted, And you need, it's going to end up

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 2>going up against creatures that are more ruled by their body,

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like teens. You know, they're going to all those changes.

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're hard to control.

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:22.720
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.120
<v Speaker 3>I do like that the movie has decided there is

0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:31.280
<v Speaker 3>essentially an equivalence between actual independent thinking because Madjeleevsky resists

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the brainwashing that everybody else succumbs to, and like having

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 3>a mad magazine style sensibility, you know, being into pranks

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 3>and bad behavior.

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and in a way it is kind of well,

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of well done in the film that the

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.399
<v Speaker 2>idea of of some of someone being really upfront about

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.520
<v Speaker 2>being an independent thinker and encouraging you to be an

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 2>independent Thinker could conceivably be a way of trying you

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to think a very particular way that yeah, lines up

0:56:57.960 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 2>with the speaker's wishes.

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's so this movie is in many ways very dumb.

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 3>It is very dumb down Cronenberg in a way, I

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 3>would agree with that. But I think one aspect of

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>it that's actually pretty perceptive and good is the satirical

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 3>aspect about the TV show being called Independent Thinkers. It's

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 3>a show that is just straight brainwashing telling viewers that

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 3>they're practicing independent thought. And that kind of thing happens

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 3>in reality all the time. I think about how often

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 3>you run it. I just pick one example. On a

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:37.760
<v Speaker 3>certain issue, you often find people who are repeating totally

0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 3>false disinformation talking points, like against climate change, you know,

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.840
<v Speaker 3>saying climate change is not real. And you'll often find

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 3>that these people are repeating talking points verbatim that you've

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 3>read elsewhere, as if they're just copying and pasting them.

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 3>But it's all couched within. I'm the person who's practicing

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 3>independent critical thought, and all you people who believe in

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 3>climate change are just brainwashed to go with the mainstream,

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like if someone refers to other people as sheeple.

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<v Speaker 2>You can often guess exactly what the key bullet points

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<v Speaker 2>of their worldview are, right, and it's generally just a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of reversing other bullet points, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Yeah, I mean, of course, in reality, we are

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<v Speaker 3>big fans of independent critical thinking. I think that's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most important parts of having a good life.

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<v Speaker 3>But talking about the fact that you practice independent critical

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<v Speaker 3>thinking is no guaranteed that that's actually what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it means exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, I mean to a certain extent. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>like any term can become then used by a disinformation

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<v Speaker 2>campaign or being or used to sell something, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>So I absolutely by this satirical aspect of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>The world, especially today, is just full of people who

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<v Speaker 3>are constantly, almost mindlessly, repeating talking points that have been

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<v Speaker 3>prepared by other people without thinking about them critically, and

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<v Speaker 3>while doing so, they are congratulating themselves for being able

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<v Speaker 3>to think independently, unlike the people who disagree with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be interesting if they remade this today,

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody remade it and they, you know, they put

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<v Speaker 2>some thought into some of these themes, I wonder what

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<v Speaker 2>direction they could go in would doctor Blake have a podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god?

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe he'd be on YouTube. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one pretty dead dead on signal that you're dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with somebody who is not actually encouraging you to practice

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<v Speaker 3>independent thinking and may only be using the rhetoric of

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<v Speaker 3>independent thinking without that being the substance of their message.

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<v Speaker 3>Is someone who presents themselves as the answer to all

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<v Speaker 3>your problems, as doctor Blake does in the movie That's

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<v Speaker 3>Your your Number one red flag?

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, yeah, doctor Blake has all of the answers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so be afraid because there's probably a giant brain in

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<v Speaker 2>a vat somewhere just itching to gobble you up. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>So nineteen eighty eight's the brain. If you've listened to

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<v Speaker 2>all this and you're asking yourself, how can I see

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<v Speaker 2>this wonderful film? Well Shop Factory has a really nice

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<v Speaker 2>Blu ray of it out that's you know that. You

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<v Speaker 2>can order its imprint, seemingly complete with commentary tracks from

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<v Speaker 2>hunt Zaza Rebrisonean, plus some other interviews and features. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks really solid. It looks like a really jam packed

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<v Speaker 2>special edition Blu ray. You can also rent or buy

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<v Speaker 2>this one digitally wherever you get your movies. I rented

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<v Speaker 2>it on Amazon Prime, but yeah, you can find it

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anywhere you get that stuff these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth

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<v Speaker 3>Nicholas Johnson. If you would like to get in touch

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