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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jie McCormick. In today, it's all brains.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of brain content going on elsewhere

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Speaker 2: in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed this week,

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Speaker 2: so we figured, well, we got to do a brain film.

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Speaker 2: There have plenty to choose from. It was actually quite

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Speaker 2: difficult to decide on one, but we're we're also this

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Speaker 2: is kind of double purpose though, because we've been we've

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Speaker 2: been trying to hit some other countries in our Weird

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Speaker 2: House Cinema selections, and today's Weird House Cinema selection allows

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Speaker 2: us to check Canada off the list.

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Speaker 3: So our Canadian movie, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I believe it is.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's our first Canadian film, and you can

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Speaker 2: you can taste the Canadian sensibilities in it, I feel yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, one thing to get out of the

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Speaker 3: way right at the beginning is that this is a

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Speaker 3: brain monster movie. And yes, you know who can deny

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Speaker 3: a good brain monster movie. You know you got Fiend

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Speaker 3: without a Face, you got the classics, and this one

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Speaker 3: is a sort of updated version of that fifties vibe.

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Speaker 3: But the other way to look at The Brain nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty eight is that it is a pretty much perfect

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Speaker 3: mix of videodrome and final sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is kind of yeah, definitely with video drum.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back to that again and again. This is

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Speaker 2: in many ways, your discount video drome. This is your

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Speaker 2: your bottom shelf video drome selection.

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Speaker 4: This is your.

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Speaker 2: We have video drome at home, Timmy moments.

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Speaker 3: There's got plenty of Cronenberg back at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got plenty chromeber back at home. None

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Speaker 2: of this is to say that this film is terrible

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Speaker 2: that you should watch it. I found this to be

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Speaker 2: very enjoyable. But no, get that sense.

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Speaker 3: This was very fun be horror. Yeah, thumbs up to

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Speaker 3: this one though, it absolutely is. It has very Cronenberg

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Speaker 3: ripoff vibes. Should we do the elevator pitch to help

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Speaker 3: ground us here? Yeah, let's do it, Okay, So the

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Speaker 3: elevator pitch for The Brain nineteen eighty eight is a

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Speaker 3: self help guru and a giant alien brain with pointy

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Speaker 3: teeth come together to create a cult of mindless psychic

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Speaker 3: thralls through the influence of a Canadian local access TV show,

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Speaker 3: and it is up to one extremely immature teen Rascal

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Speaker 3: and his girl Friday to defeat the teleneural conspiracy before

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Speaker 3: it takes over planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: YEP, that's absolutely accurate. Again, the video drone vibes are

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Speaker 2: strong and it definitely pays homage to pass Killer Brain films.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned, Feed with a Fiend Without a Face nineteen

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Speaker 2: fifty eight, a horror film, one of the few horror films,

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Speaker 2: or a certain select number of horror films, so you

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Speaker 2: can find in the Criterion collection that one is about

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Speaker 2: brains and spinal columns being taken over by outside alien

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Speaker 2: The other key film that it clearly was inspired by

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Speaker 2: is the nineteen fifty seven film The Brain from Planet Auros,

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Speaker 2: which features this big old alien brain with eyes floating around.

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Speaker 2: So in many ways, this film feels like a love

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Speaker 2: letter to those two films, and in particular.

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Speaker 3: Especially Brain from Planet a Roosts, because it's just a

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Speaker 3: giant brain, like the Fiend without a Face has brains

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Speaker 3: I think they turn invisible somehow and they attack it,

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Speaker 3: so they're literally there are scenes of people like shooting it,

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Speaker 3: swarms of brains flying at them. But this one is

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Speaker 3: one giant brain. And it's very confusing because the giant

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Speaker 3: brain has a face. It has eyes, and it has

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Speaker 3: But a brain with a face is generally just a head.

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Speaker 3: So what this actually is is a head without a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what it is is they probably saw a fiend

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Speaker 2: but you know what, it's lacking face on it face.

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Speaker 2: It kind of looks like a big gorilla face too,

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Speaker 2: sense of a monster gorilla as opposed to a brain.

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Speaker 3: And then this movie is all about the brain. You

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Speaker 3: can tell that the director was in love with the

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Speaker 3: brain puppet they have created because it starts with the brain,

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Speaker 3: it ends with the brain. It's not like Jaws where

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Speaker 3: there's a long, slow build up to it. They're just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before you see a single human character. You see

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a face yet, but writhing around and

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Speaker 2: its nutrient bay flog in its tentacles and or spinal

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Speaker 2: It looks it's definitely that, like you've made the distinction before.

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Speaker 2: It looks shlock monster movie good. There's never any doubt

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Speaker 2: that this is something that was lovingly created in somebody's garage.

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Speaker 2: But but it's always entertaining to look at.

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Speaker 3: I Like, one thing about the face of the brain

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Speaker 3: eats a human, and so you kind of wonder if

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Speaker 3: like it learned how to do face by taking a

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Speaker 3: human inside of it. There's one part where it, like

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Speaker 3: the lobes of the brain kind of peel open like lips.

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Speaker 3: The two hemispheres open up along the fissure in the middle,

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Speaker 3: and then the cerebrum just gobbles up this lady. And

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Speaker 3: then right after that it just kind of poops a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a film that it doesn't help

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Speaker 2: of you know, exposition to bog you down. So if

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Speaker 2: out on your own what's happening, then this, this may

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Speaker 2: be the film for you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you're thinking, I would like a Canadian horror

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Speaker 3: thriller with media and brainwashing vibes, something along the lines

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Speaker 3: of early eighties Cronenberg like Scanners or Videodrome, but less interesting,

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Speaker 3: less subversive, less depressing and dark and grimy and more

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Speaker 3: just kind of rubber monster and slime fun. This is

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's have just a sample of the audio here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we even have a bit from

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Speaker 2: a trailer, because I was having a hard time finding

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Speaker 2: an actual English language trailer for this film, But we're

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Speaker 2: going to play something for you right now.

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Speaker 5: Your mediocre mind cannot begin to comprehend the importance of

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Speaker 5: my work. I suggest you look into your own neurotic behavior.

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Speaker 5: Then perhaps you will understand your continuing negativity.

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Speaker 4: You have to stop this insane research.

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Speaker 5: That thing isn't satisfied. Just controlling the minds of the

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Speaker 5: people who watch your TV show. It's apparent you and

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Speaker 5: I will no longer be able to work together. Fine

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Speaker 5: with me, but wait till I tell people what's really

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Speaker 5: going on around here. Now take that thing and bury

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Speaker 5: it where a.

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Speaker 3: Belongs, all right, So who made this thing?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 2: So let's start at the top with the director, ed

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Speaker 2: Hunt or Edward Hunt as I think they may be

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Speaker 4: Him in that move.

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Speaker 2: He made a film in nineteen seventy seven titled Starship Invasions,

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Speaker 2: which starred Robert Vaughan of Bullet and Lawyer commercial fame.

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Speaker 2: And you've actually, oh.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, well no, did you know in our house

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. They used to air these on television

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Speaker 2: because Robert Vaughn's dead doesn't mean you can't still, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they put fred as Stare in a vacuum commercial

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Speaker 3: Why not get Robert Vaughan to just make lawyer commercials

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Speaker 3: from beyond the Grave until a million years from now.

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Speaker 2: that would be impressive if you had so. Anyway, ed Hunt,

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Speaker 2: he did a nineteen eighty one horror movie called Bloody

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Speaker 2: apparently starred Eric Roberts as Dracula, which I think is

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Speaker 4: You know, draw your own conclusions.

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Speaker 3: Wait, but that would also count out the Christopher Nolan

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Speaker 2: That didn't star Eric Roberts. But no, Eric Roberts. His

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Speaker 2: But he's been in some things that I love, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, wait a minute, blind choice right now, two

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Speaker 3: another in which post two thousands Rutger Hower plays Dracula.

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Speaker 3: Which one do you?

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Speaker 4: See? Those are both?

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Speaker 2: These are similar omens, right, because they were both in

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Speaker 3: Then what you are looking for. Is the Dario Argento

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Speaker 3: Dracula movie that I have never managed to watch more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that exists.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't look good. Okay, So here's the big question that

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Speaker 3: that I couldn't Where was this filmed? Because this movie

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Speaker 3: features some very familiar looking Canadian highways. You ever driven

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Speaker 3: But also there's this big building in it that is

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Speaker 3: I was wondering, what is this building? Is this some

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is the headquarters or one of the headquarters

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Speaker 3: I would say this movie is all about the villains

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Speaker 3: Well, I've never put those guys together before on the

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Speaker 3: think he had just finished watching it and like backed

438
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 3: it up to the beginning. He was like, you've got

439
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: to see this and George Buza as Santa Claus.

440
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: All right, we'll have more to say about Buza as

441
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: we progress here, But I guess just to run through

442
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: a few other people. Let's see. Tom Bresnan plays Jim.

443
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: Jim is our our hero. He's the main male kid.

444
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 3: He's he's identified more in the movie by his last name.

445
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 3: His character is James Jim Magaluski or Magicvski, and everybody's

446
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: usually calling him Majielevski. And there is at least one

447
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: point in the movie where I caught the movie spelling

448
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: its own main character's name wrong, because so the evil

449
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: brain monster communicates through it through a computer screen to

450
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: its henchmen with words on the screen. And there's one

451
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: part where it spells his name and it's spelled wrong.

452
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: It spells it like Magio well Luski.

453
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 2: Well, Tom does a good job playing Jim. Nothing really

454
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: to write home about, but it's fine. Likewise, the actor

455
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: Cynthia Preston plays his love interest, Janet, and again perfectly fine.

456
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: Nothing really to write home about here, but she is

457
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: a Canadian actress that's been in a lot of things,

458
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: including the recent Jack Ryan series on Amazon. She was

459
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: in the twenty thirteen Carrie remake, and she's popped up

460
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: on the TV series American Gods.

461
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: The main thing I remember about her is actually just

462
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 3: the color scheme of her sweater in the second half

463
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: of the movie, which is very Miami Vice. It's this

464
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: combination of like light blue and pink. Yeah, you know

465
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: that Miami Vice color scheme.

466
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, So yeah, her sweater does as good

467
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: a job as she does in this thing.

468
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: Oh no, I didn't mean to. I mean she's fine.

469
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: No, no, she's fine. I legitimately mean that both of

470
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: these actors do a good job, young actors getting it

471
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: done in a movie that's, you know, not meant for

472
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: the top shelf, but you know it's fine.

473
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

474
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: Now, there's an actress in the film named Christine Cossack

475
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: who has the distinct honor of being the first character

476
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: in the film to be eaten alive by the hemispheres

477
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: of the brain.

478
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 4: That's right.

479
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: She plays Vivian, who is the the brain crew's other

480
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: minion she pops up.

481
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: She seems to be like a real medical professional, like

482
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: she's just trying to do her job. Meanwhile her co

483
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: workers are trying to hypnotize people with brain poison.

484
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

485
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she didn't last too long. But while she's

486
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: on screen and then she pops up later is kind

487
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: of a hallucination like an avatar taken on by the

488
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: brain when it's messing with Jim. While when she's in

489
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: the film, though, she she has this kind of like

490
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: solid B movie vixen vibe to her, so she's, you know,

491
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: she's entertaining, and then she's eaten by that brain. It

492
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: looks like the actor Cossack. She she wasn't in much

493
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: besides this. I think she has two other credits, and

494
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: if you look her up on IMDb, her IMDb photo

495
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: is her being eaten by the brain.

496
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: Whether that was her choice or her agent's choice or well,

497
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who edits those IMDb pages, whoever made

498
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: that choice. It's a good one thumbs out. But she's

499
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: good at it, good sense of humor. Yeah, you know.

500
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: One thing I liked about this movie was the music.

501
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: The opening credits had some fun, had some fun, kind

502
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: of kicking into high gear electronic music that was paired

503
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: with a red blade runner title style text that set

504
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: the pretty well.

505
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the music, and this one is actually quite good.

506
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: It's an electronic score by Paul Zaza, a Canadian musician

507
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: who's done a lot of film and TV work over

508
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: the years. He composed the score for nineteen eighty one's

509
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: My Bloody Valentine, nineteen eighties prom night, and of course

510
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three is a Christmas story.

511
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 4: Real a few.

512
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he seems to be you know, diverse talent here.

513
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: He can do a lot of different types of scores,

514
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: but this one in particular has a lot of like

515
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: glittering synth cascades and some spooky drum machine beats you know,

516
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: in the background, that.

517
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: Kind of thing.

518
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, it's cheesy eighties movie music, but it's

519
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: it's the good version of that.

520
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I actually listened to this all morning

521
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: while I was working on notes for this, and well

522
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: not all morning, but the period of the morning which

523
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: I worked on notes for this, I played it because

524
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: it's on Spotify you can and pretty much anywhere you

525
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: get digital music these days. You can look up the

526
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: soundtrack by Paul Zaza for The Brain and it's al tremendous.

527
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: But then there's also this vocal track on there titled

528
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: right Now, and there's like a female vocalist singing and

529
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: the full chorus is right now you better show me

530
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: your mind, which wait, great because it's the Brain.

531
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: So it's like a pop single for the film. Yeah,

532
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: that is a thing I miss is the It was

533
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: a big thing in the nineties to have a pop

534
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: song from the original motion picture soundtrack, So a will

535
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: Smith movie would have a track that went with it,

536
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: like Wild Wild West or something, or Men in Black,

537
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: and I miss things like that. I like it when

538
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: there is an original pop song for the film.

539
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives you something to play immediately over the

540
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: end credits oftentimes.

541
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: I really like that too.

542
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the sound in this movie, I just

543
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: have to say, this is one of those where I

544
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: had to put subtitles on just because there was so

545
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: many either low talkers or like the audio for the dialogue.

546
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: Was just so much lower weird.

547
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I not when Gail was talking, not

548
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: when people were screaming, but the rest of the time,

549
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: like anytime a teenager is talking to another teen I

550
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: just couldn't understand a word of it and had to

551
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's either turn up the volume to where

552
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: the neighbors are complaining about the subsequent screams, or it's

553
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: just read stuff as it happens.

554
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: So, yeah, their friend Willie, I don't think I heard

555
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: a word he said in the movie. Yeah, Okay, should

556
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: we do the full plot breakdown.

557
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

558
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: So one of the first things we get in the

559
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: film is just a brain in a big dish with

560
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: green liquid bubbling all over the place. So they let

561
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: you know right from the beginning this is a brain

562
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: monster movie.

563
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

564
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: And then we cut to a standard Canadian suburban household

565
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: and there is a I guess a mom watching TV

566
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: while her sort of moody teen daughter is up in

567
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: her room, I think, putting on Emo makeup. And this

568
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: thing comes on TV and it's this guy played by

569
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: David Gail. He comes out and it shows a sign

570
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: displaying to the audience that says applaud more, smile more,

571
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: which was pretty good. And the title of this TV

572
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: show is Independent Thinkers. We get a voiceover that says,

573
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: here's your guide to independent thinking, doctor Anthony Blake, and

574
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: Gail comes out and he's doing a self help guru routine.

575
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: It is the kind of thing you might have seen

576
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: for I don't know, it's probably kind of like the

577
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: Anthony Robins seminars of the nineteen eighties or something, right, Yeah,

578
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: But so he's this self help guru who runs this

579
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: place called the psychological Research Institute. It seems to be

580
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: some kind of combination of a psyche like an actual

581
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: psychiatric care facility, but it's also like the scientology celebrity center.

582
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: It's like both of those things together.

583
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, except in an enormous industrial complex.

584
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is actually here. This is the Xerox Center. Yeah.

585
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so doctor Blake on TV said, is that

586
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: this is the biggest show in the metro area. They

587
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: don't say the name of the city, but it seems

588
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: like it's a local show, and they're saying, you know,

589
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: pretty soon we're going to go nationwide and worldwide. And

590
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: he's selling solutions to the problems faced by everyday households.

591
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: He says, you know, we face problems in this nation

592
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: of teenage alienation, drugs, alcohol, suicide, and what's the answer. Well,

593
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: the answer seems to be watching his tapes and watching

594
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: his show. Was there another answer beside that he might

595
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: have said something, but I don't quite recall.

596
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of kind of left it as

597
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: if maybe if you were to watch the full show,

598
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, there would be more answers. But we're just

599
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: getting a glimpse of it because it's ultimately not important like,

600
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: we just assume that there's lots of additional content.

601
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: Right well, I think it is absolutely authentic to self

602
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: help literature and self help and that includes video content

603
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: and stuff that at least half of the content of

604
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: self help literature is promises being made about how this

605
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: is going to help you, rather than the actual help content.

606
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Right though, he's not selling vitamins or anything, no, that

607
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: I could tell.

608
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: One thing I liked in the screen was it had

609
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: that old thing where somebody's watching a TV screen and

610
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: it's clear that this is just really being filmed on

611
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: the TV because you get that flickering effect across the

612
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: screen in the film that I'm not positive, but I

613
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: believe that's a problem of synchronization between the shutter speed

614
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: of the film camera and the refresh rate of the TV.

615
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: So if they get synced up in a weird or

616
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: off way, you get these flickers or rolling lines and whatever.

617
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. I admired that as well.

618
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always like to see it. But so anyway,

619
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: it's clear that everybody watches the show. Everybody's parents are

620
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: tuning in to Independent Thinkers with doctor Anthony Blake, and

621
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: the main thing that seems to happen on Independent Thinkers

622
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: is everybody watches and then they just repeat verbatim whatever

623
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: doctor Anthony Blake said said to tell them to think

624
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: independently about. So the teen girl goes up to her

625
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: room and she's putting on makeup, and she's clearly, you know,

626
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: I think she's experiencing some of this teenage alienation that

627
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 3: is being talked about on the show. But then she

628
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: starts seeing crazy stuff in her room. Her teddy bear

629
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: starts weeping blood. And then these clawed hands burst out

630
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: of the TV set in her room and then out

631
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: of the closet door, and then there are wall tentacles

632
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: everywhere and they're all flopping around and I like that

633
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: there are these nice, slimy real puppets I'll just flopping

634
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: all over the place. Her mom, oh, Zul like Zeel,

635
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: like yes, yeah, no, Dana, only Zuel, only Zuel coming

636
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: out of the closet and the TV. And then her

637
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: mom comes up to her room and her and a

638
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: tentacle from out of the wall attacks her mom and

639
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: starts choking her mom. And the girl tries to help

640
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: her mom by like stabbing at the tentacle with some scissors.

641
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: But then there's this like realization that actually this was

642
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: all a hallucination and actually she has just stabbed her

643
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: own mom. And then we see like the mirror that

644
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: she'd been putting on makeup in, there's a brain on

645
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: the other side of it, hammering at the glass, and

646
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: then she just jumps out the window. So I think

647
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: we're getting some kind of brainwashing and doctrination process that

648
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: is causing people to hallucinate tentacles and monsters all over

649
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: the place that will cause them to stab their parents.

650
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

651
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: The what I got from it, and I think maybe

652
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: they flesh it out a bit later, is that the

653
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: mind control that's going on is that if you accept it,

654
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: if you give into the mind control, then you just control.

655
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: You're just like all the parents. You're like one of

656
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: the zombies. But if you're a true freethinker, if you're

657
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: resisting the brainwashing, then that's when the hallucinations occur because

658
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: your mind is fighting back. So you know, she's an

659
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: emo teenager, she's not going with the script, and since

660
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 2: that's not happening, the hallucinations kick in.

661
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: She's killed by the whole process.

662
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: Right because she's like, I don't want to watch doctor Blake.

663
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: Mom I just want to listen to the curor, and

664
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: of course ends in tragedy. So then we cut to

665
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: our We meet our young hero, Jim Madilevski, and he

666
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: is a turbotwerp. He is very The way I would

667
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: describe him is that his personality he has two personality characteristics,

668
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: and those are lust and pranks. I was watching with

669
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: Rachel and she said he was radicalized by Mad magazine.

670
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does have that vibe to him. And yet

671
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: at the same time, we're told that he is one

672
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: of the smartest children, one of the smartest teens in

673
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: this in the school, like he's brilliant. He's like, it's

674
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: almost like he's too brilliant to fire, even though he's

675
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: a complete pain in the butt.

676
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's a point later on where one of the

677
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: vice principals is meeting with his parents because James has

678
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: been naughty at school again, and they're like, he has

679
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: one of the highest IQ's in the school, but he

680
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: is bad. And I'm like, wait a minute, you're comparing

681
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: all of the students IQ's in this school. I didn't

682
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: realize that was a common practice in high schools.

683
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the Canadian school system I don't know.

684
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: Maybe well, so anyway, when we first meet Jim Madgielevski,

685
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: he gets into his car in the morning to drive

686
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: to school, and I think he drives by the house

687
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 3: where this horrible scene we just saw had taken place

688
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: the night before, and their police everywhere, and the announcer

689
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: on the radio, the DJ is like, well, we just

690
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: had three more murder suicides and now here's Joan Jet

691
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: and we get a rock song, And then I thought

692
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: this was funny. When Jim actually arrives at school, these

693
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: scenes are so quiet it is really unnerving. So you

694
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: see lots of students standing around, but there's no chatter

695
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: sound effects to fill out the environmental noise of the scene.

696
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: You could just hear a pin drop. So it's really

697
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: unsettling in a way that I'm not sure.

698
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be interesting. Yeah.

699
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: But also, so we meet Jim Madgelevski's girlfriend, Janet, and

700
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: and despite Mazhelevsky us being told that he is very

701
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: smart and an actual independent thinker, he is not smart

702
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: enough or at least not disciplined enough to do his

703
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: own homework and he has to copy his girlfriend's homework.

704
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 4: Right.

705
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's not a lot to love about this guy.

706
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: During the introduction.

707
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: Here, yeah. Oh, and then also before he goes to class,

708
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: he goes into the bathroom and he gets out of

709
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: his pocket a container that is labeled like pure elemental

710
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: sodium so metallic sodium, which I'm sure we've talked about

711
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: this on the show before that if you combine pure

712
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: elemental sodium with water, there will be extremely I guess

713
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: you would call it an exothermic reaction. It will cause

714
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: it will basically explode, catch on fire, and it's really bad.

715
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: He gets out this pure sodium tablet and just puts

716
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: it in the toilet and flushes it, which causes the

717
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: vice principle in the bathroom to become doused in water.

718
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: And the vice principal suspects Majelewski of being responsible for this,

719
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: but he's just like, hey, what about innocent till proven guilty?

720
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: We should stress just like the movie itself stresses that

721
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: you should not try this at home.

722
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: The closing credits, it's the first thing you see, like

724
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: not even a before you see a single human credit.

725
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: There's a disclaimer at the end of the movie that

726
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: is like, do not put sodium in your plumbing, extreme

727
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: injury could result.

728
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so seriously, don't do it.

729
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's funny to imagine. So who is the

730
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: legal council for production of The Brain nineteen eighty eight

731
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: who told them they had to put that in there.

732
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm guessing just is another big brain

733
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: in a tank. That's just like watching the film. It's like, nope, nope,

734
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: disclaimer on that.

735
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: That's all right.

736
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: But I guess it is actually the sodium in the

737
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: toilet sequence that leads to the parent teacher conference where

738
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: we find out that James has one of the highest

739
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: IQ's in the school, but he is very badly behaved,

740
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: and they tell him that it is your attitude that

741
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: is causing your anti social behavior. But fortunately the teachers

742
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: and administrators they've got an answer, and the answer is

743
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 3: he's got to watch doctor Blake's tapes.

744
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

745
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really it's it's it's a this was

746
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: gonna work out great. We have the like a leading

747
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: figure in self help. It's based in the same city,

748
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: and he has these tapes. He has this center. Let's

749
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: hook Jim up with some help.

750
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: At some point, somebody says doctor Blake wouldn't be on

751
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: TV if he wasn't good.

752
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: Valid.

753
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's perfect logic. Yeah, And so they send Majelevski

754
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: to the Psychological Research Institute. This is where we first

755
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: get into this big, interesting building, and of course while

756
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: he's there, he's wandering around trying to get you know,

757
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: get processed, to get his paperwork done, to meet with

758
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: doctor Blake and I don't know, get diagnosed, or find

759
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: out how he can have better behavior at school. And

760
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 3: so we meet a few characters along the way. There.

761
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: We meet a person who is a patient at the

762
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: PRI who seems to be suffering from some kind of hallucination.

763
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: And then we also meet George Bouza, who what is

764
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: the character's name, Actually.

765
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: It is Verna, I believe, hmm.

766
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't remember that. I just thought of him

767
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: as Booza throughout the movie.

768
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 4: But yeah, Booze is better.

769
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: We meet Bouza and then Magjelevsky goes in for his session,

770
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: and it's hard to describe exactly what happens here. So

771
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: he meets Christine Cossack, the nurse there, and they hook

772
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: electrodes up to his head and do you remember the

773
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: sequence of what exactly happens here. I'm a little fuzzy

774
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: on this.

775
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird sequence. It's it's actually pretty pretty

776
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: effective because, yeah, they're hooking him up. There's some she's

777
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: asking him questions and they're showing him a video, right,

778
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: and then.

779
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I know they're trying to brainwash him. Actually, they

780
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: hook him up to the electrodes that are secretly, unbeknownst

781
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: to him in the other room, hooked up to the

782
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: giant killer brain. Though I guess we haven't seen the

783
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: brain kill anybody, and so I think what they're trying

784
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: to do is just like indoctrinate him into becoming a

785
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: psychic thrall of the giant brain creature. So they've got

786
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: the electrodes on him and they're showing him a video

787
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: of Vivian this lady like holding an apple. But then

788
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: they're trying to make him see it as a baseball.

789
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 3: But I think the implication is that because Madgielewski thinks

790
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: for himself and doesn't just do what other people tell him,

791
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't see the baseball. He just sees the apple

792
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: in her hand. And then instead he starts having horny hallucinations.

793
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: Right suddenly, she's topless, but then she's also stepping out

794
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: of the television into his physical space. And this is

795
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: definitely a moment where we get very videodromy you know,

796
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: definitely strong videodrone vibes in this sequence.

797
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: And somehow he ends up meeting doctor Blake here and

798
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: it's clear that this kid is not going to be

799
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: effectively indoctrinated, and he gets creeped out and he leaves.

800
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: And then back in the brain room, we have doctor

801
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: Blake and Vivian and Bouza and they're all hanging out

802
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: around the brain and it's green tub and talking about

803
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: what's what's just happened and why the indoctrination did not

804
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: take effect, and she gets frustrated. She's like starts complaining

805
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: about the working conditions in the brain lab and is like, well,

806
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: we can no longer work together. I'm leaving. And so

807
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: you're thinking, like, oh, good for her, she should go

808
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: get a job in a non you know, brain psychic

809
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: thrall center. But then the brain whoops, It opens up

810
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: its mouth, it's two hemispheres, and it just gobbles her

811
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: up and then grows a face.

812
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it goes down pretty much cover it. Sorry, yeah,

813
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: no no, but it's it's it's a great sequence. Like

814
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: it's a sequence where a monta rubber monster suit eats

815
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: a woman entirely, like with her legs, you know, kicking

816
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: out the back. It's very reminiscent of a lot of

817
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: old horror monster movies. So it's again a sequence where

818
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: you can really, you can really see how much love

819
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: they had for these older, like fifties and sixties monster films.

820
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: Does the brain burp?

821
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it burps, but it well could have,

822
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: and it would have been totally appropriate.

823
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So after this, we see Mandzelewski leaving and he

824
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: is driving his car and there is a steering wheel

825
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: tongue attack. I think what's happening here is that now

826
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: that he has resisted the brain's attempts to indoctrinate him

827
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: with the electrodes, now he's just gonna have continuous hallucinations

828
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: of the brain trying to kill him that will in

829
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: reality cause him to actually like wreck cars and stuff.

830
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: So the steering wheel comes off in his hands and

831
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: it starts spitting out a tentacle tongue at him, and

832
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: it causes him to wreck his car.

833
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much's pretty much what's happening, which which

834
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: is a great I think it's a pretty great little premise,

835
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, you know, tying into two actual issues of

836
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: like teen alienation, you know that we often see reflected

837
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: in these horror films where teenagers are going up against

838
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: the adult system of their local town. You know, it's

839
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: it's pretty you know, wisely put together.

840
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Majeleowski goes to meet his friends. He goes

841
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: to meet Janet at the burger bar where she works,

842
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: and he's just the immediately hallucinating tentacles in the pickle

843
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: jar and stuff. And also their other friends are there.

844
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: They've got a couple of other friends, I think one

845
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: of them is named Willie, and he's freaking out in

846
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: the burger bar, but George Buza catches up to him,

847
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: and Buza comes in and drugs him, takes him back

848
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: to pri I.

849
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: This was a whole sequence where my wife was briefly

850
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: tolerating this film. I was watching it and I commented

851
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: to her as like, I don't think Jim's gonna be

852
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: able to defeat this brain, Like Jim is losing hard

853
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: to team Brain at this point.

854
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: But he's an independent thinker, so we can at least

855
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: count on him to come up with outside the box solutions,

856
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: but she does in the end sort of.

857
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

858
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: So we're back at pri I again where we just were,

859
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: and this time Janet has to come to the rescue

860
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: with Willy to get him out, and so somehow he

861
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: escapes his room. I think he runs into the patient

862
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: that he was talking to earlier, who sneaks into his

863
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: room and trades places with him, letting him out.

864
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

865
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: And then Janet and I think Willy are busting him out,

866
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: and then Willy gets eaten by the brain, right, Like,

867
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: the brain attacks them in the boiler room of this

868
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: place and it just gobbles him up.

869
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

870
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: The brain requires underlings, clearly, but yet is very confident

871
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: on its own if it needs to lash out at

872
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: somebody within the Xerox facilities here, right.

873
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: And then we get we get a part of the

874
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: movie that I thought was just maybe my favorite part,

875
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: which is just George Buza chasing Janet and Madgelevski for

876
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, solid fifteen minutes.

877
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that full bore running.

878
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: Yes, just running after them. And then they get in

879
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: the car and flee and he's chasing them in the car.

880
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: At one point, George Buza chops off a CoP's head

881
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: with an axe, and then another police car arrives on

882
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: the scene and he start Booza's flagging them down, but

883
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 3: he's got the axe in his hand.

884
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

885
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: You get the impression that David Gayle's character that the

886
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: doctor just told him like, look, we got it. This

887
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: town is brainwashed. You can do absolutely whatever you need

888
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: to do. You need to chop the head off of

889
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 2: a cop and brought daylight by the roadside, do it

890
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: because the brain has your back on this one.

891
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he flags down the cops and seems

892
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: to get I think he's like, Jim did it. It

893
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: was Majielevski last. So they're on the run for a while.

894
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: They go into a house and they come across a

895
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: lady who is just happens to be watching Independent Thinkers

896
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: on TV. Again, it seems like all anybody in this

897
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: town does is just watch the show all day. And

898
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: it's David Gail, through the tear starts psychically communicating directly

899
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: with her, saying like, how many times has your husband

900
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: refused to watch this show? If he wants you he

901
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: must watch me.

902
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: I think this should be our next next time they

903
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: ask us to do a promo for the podcast, we

904
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: should do it like that. We should say how many

905
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: times has your spouse refused to listen to the Weird

906
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: House Cinema episodes?

907
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: Assertive?

908
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: Right, we should enforce like cult separation policies on our listeners.

909
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: Like fans, you either bring all of your friends and

910
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: family in as listeners themselves, or you cut them off.

911
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.

912
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: Don't please, don't do that.

913
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: Don't do that.

914
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: But but this is missus Woods and so did we

915
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: next see her go outside and try and convince mister Woods?

916
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: Oh, this was the vice principal earlier that Madjelevski did

917
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: his Mad magazine sodium bomb on and was telling his

918
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: parents about his bad behavior. So now he's out building

919
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: a deck in his backyard and it turns out he

920
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: won't watch this show with his wife, and then his

921
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: wife comes out and kills him by shoving a chainsaw

922
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: into like his stomach crotch area.

923
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he refused to listen because he's like, look,

924
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: I told you, I just don't like it, and she's

925
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: like all right, and then she kills them with a chainsaw.

926
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 2: A fine little extra bit of connections on these two.

927
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: The actor playing mister Woods was in the two thousand

928
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: adaptation of The X Men. Oh, and he played like

929
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: somebody attending the Magneto at some point. It's just some

930
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: bit part I believe. But Buza was also in that

931
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: as a truck driver. And I can't help but wonder

932
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: if they put Buza in it since he was, you know,

933
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: the voice of Beast in the Cometoon. But then oh,

934
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, no, no, I was gonna say. The other

935
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: connection is that the actor playing Missus Woods here was

936
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: actually in a David Cronenberg film. Really, she was in

937
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: The Fly and she played a nurse.

938
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: Wow. Interesting, well, I like how after she kills her

939
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: husband with the chainsaw, she starts like she flags down

940
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: a police car. I guess they're just driving by all

941
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: the time, and she's like, Madgielevski cut my husband in half.

942
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: So they're just blaming all crime on Magelevski. He's omnipresent.

943
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: Everything that happens goes wrong in the city. It's like, oh,

944
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: light bulb burned out, must have been Majelevski.

945
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the brain really is controlling everything.

946
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: So they end up Janet and uh, what's his name?

947
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: And Magjelevski end up going to their high school, which

948
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: should be empty because it's a Saturday, and there's a

949
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 3: scene where Janet calls her dad on the on the phone,

950
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: who is a fan of the Doctor Blake Show, and

951
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: she's like, Dad, we're on the run and he's been brainwashed.

952
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: He's just like that boy is dangerous. He's a psycho killer.

953
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: Despite being on the run for their lives. In standard

954
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: movie logic, they decide to stop and have some romance

955
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: on the floor of the chemistry lab, and then there

956
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: is a brain attack, but it turns out it's just

957
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: a dream and Madgelevsky wakes up on the floor at

958
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: the school. Unfortunately, when he goes looking for Janet, he

959
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: finds her watching Independent Thinkers on TV. I don't know

960
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: why she decided to do that, but she has now

961
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: been hypnotized and she thinks he's a murderer, so she

962
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: pulls the alarm summons the police, and then there's another

963
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: chase scene and this gives rise to I think the

964
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: weakest part of the movie, which is a long, padded

965
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: out car chase that you can tell it looks like

966
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: they shot additional footage for to make it even longer.

967
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: Magielewski grabs a car, I think from the auto shop

968
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: class and drives away, and then the cops are chasing

969
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 3: him and they just drive for a long time.

970
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

971
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to kind of tune out during this

972
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 2: part of the film, but it's leading to something great.

973
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, he eventually drives his car off of

974
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: I don't know what this cliff was supposed to be.

975
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: He drives his car off of like a ten thousand

976
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: foot drap.

977
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we almost get that classic car exploding at the

978
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: bottom of a canyon scene. Tunes is the driving cat moment.

979
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm a little skeptical that there are drop offs this

980
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: far in Ontario, but of course this is a standard,

981
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, horror thriller structure, so you know what's gonna happen.

982
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: They've got to go back to pri and face the brain.

983
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: So Magic goes back and they're about to do a

984
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: big broadcast at this place that will send the brain's

985
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: control signal out into millions of viewers and seemingly hypnotize

986
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: the whole world. And the brain is communicating with doctor

987
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: Blake and Buza through these readoubts on a screen and

988
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 3: it's like Madjaluvski is here, but it spells his name

989
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: wrong like I mentioned earlier, and I love how it

990
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: it's got this interesting syntax. The brain says things like

991
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: words are the tools of any fool. I want action.

992
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: Three exclamation points.

993
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: Really, those are the type of signals that your brain

994
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: is sending to your feet, your hands, in any part

995
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: of your body at any point. It's just like fools move.

996
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: For me, yeah, yeah, motor control. So the brain tries

997
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: to do a few things. It tries to give Madjialuvski

998
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: more like Randy hallucinations in order to throw him off course,

999
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: but that doesn't work, and then he somehow Matjielevski runs

1000
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: into his parents. It looks like they're having a party

1001
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: in this place, but they're fully brainwashed. Now they're just

1002
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: like my son the psycho killer get him. And so

1003
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: it all comes down to a big confrontation where finally,

1004
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: in the end, how do you think, if you just

1005
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: had to guess you the listener, how does Madjelevsky kill

1006
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: the brain In the end.

1007
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: If you guessed sodium, then you are absolutely correct.

1008
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: So what does he do well?

1009
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: Well? For one of the first things that happened is

1010
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: there's a big showdown on the set of an independent thing.

1011
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: I can't believe I almost.

1012
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 4: Get to that.

1013
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, what happens here?

1014
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's it's the big moment, right, this is

1015
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: the big broadcast. This is gonna be the one that

1016
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: takes over the world. So Jim mage here. He gets

1017
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 2: on the stage and confronts him, and you know, Gail

1018
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: tries to the doctor, tries to to, you know, to

1019
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: win him over one last time with a small evil monologue,

1020
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 2: but he's not having any of it. So Jim punches

1021
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: him and it's a real humdinger of a punch because

1022
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: it punches his head completely off his body and there's

1023
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: green goop everywhere, and then we realize that he's not

1024
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: even human. Where we're not sure, because there's at least

1025
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 2: one point in the film where someone's saying, what would

1026
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: I told you if I told you that Doctor Blake

1027
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: is an alien? So maybe he's an alien. Maybe he's

1028
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: some sort of like flesh android made by the brain

1029
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: or serving the brain. Or perhaps doctor Blake is an

1030
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: alien and the brain is actually his brain. I don't know.

1031
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: You work it out for yourselves. We're only we're only

1032
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: given so many pieces to play with to try and

1033
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: build this puzzle. But at any rate, his head is

1034
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: punched off and it rolls over and it's in a

1035
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: puddle of green goop and reminds us all of Reanimator,

1036
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 2: in which David Gayla is often just a head as well.

1037
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: Wait, I can't remember what happens to Buza in the end.

1038
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: Does something It's eaten by the brain.

1039
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Yeah, so he wasn't whatever doctor Blake was.

1040
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: Buza was not like that. Buza was just an earth

1041
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: human with red blood.

1042
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just an eager, perhaps brain washed underling.

1043
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, he ends up he's chasing him, chasing the kids,

1044
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: and the brain's after the kids, and for some reason

1045
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: he runs into the brain and the brain is like,

1046
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: I can't take it any more. Your soda delicious. I'm

1047
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: just gonna eat you, and he eats Buza.

1048
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1049
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: So the elemental sodium goes into the brain's mouth and

1050
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: it explodes.

1051
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a big, fiery like fireworks explosion.

1052
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: It's pretty great.

1053
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: Oh and of course he u Majaluski rescues his girlfriend

1054
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: Janet so they're okay in the end, but then we

1055
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 3: get a stinger after that when it seems like evil

1056
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: has been conquered and everything's okay again, But then we

1057
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: just get a stinger of it's like a it's like

1058
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: a triangle shaped wipe on the screen that just fills

1059
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: the screen with the brain going like a right.

1060
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, chasing it lungeon at y out of.

1061
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: The dark, and I don't know what it's supposed to mean.

1062
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: This is like, wait, was it not killed? After all?

1063
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: It's not presented in the context of any scene or anything.

1064
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: It just shows you the brain at the end.

1065
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it was like it's kind of like

1066
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: a casting cause, like Ladies and Gentlemen one more time.

1067
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 4: The brain.

1068
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: What an awesome wasn't it the best part of this film?

1069
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: And everyone's like yeah, and then you're.

1070
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: Just roll credits really really good. But before it gets

1071
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: to the credits, of course, there's the warning about not

1072
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 3: using sodium like you saw in this film. Yeah, especially

1073
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: because the very ending of Videodrome, if you'll recall, is

1074
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: that the main character dies by imitating an act of

1075
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: violence that he saw on television.

1076
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, but Ben wil since I've seen

1077
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: Video Drome in full. I have a copy of it

1078
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: Criterion Collection in Facts.

1079
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got that too. Okay, monster science.

1080
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you know, there's not a lot to

1081
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: go on here. We've got a big old brain with tentacles,

1082
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: and as it grows it develops eyes and teeth as well,

1083
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Speaker 2: and so to a large extent. You know, again, it's

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Speaker 2: just a great schlocky monster suit. It's a manifestation of

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Speaker 2: humanity's terror at being a brain. But then the film

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Speaker 2: does seem to be flirting with the idea of humans

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Speaker 2: versus brains as well, you know, you versus your own brain,

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Speaker 2: you versus the brains of others, especially on the other

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Speaker 2: side of.

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Speaker 4: The media lens. Here.

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Speaker 2: So when considering a brain that grows eyes and teeth,

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Speaker 2: I can't help but think of this little like rather

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00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: crude little bit of dialogue and william S Burrows make

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Speaker 2: it lunch this applying to another part of the anatomy,

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Speaker 2: but here we could easily apply it to the brain.

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Speaker 2: Like the brain is getting to where it can eat,

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Speaker 2: it can see, it can chew, it doesn't need the

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Speaker 2: rest of us anymore. Like we're seeing this brain evolve

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Speaker 2: and in doing so, like the brain is kind of

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Speaker 2: becoming less dependent upon the on bodies, and so it's

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Speaker 2: like we're almost like we're watching the film not as

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Speaker 2: brains but as bodies.

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Speaker 3: Oh what if the brain in this film is not

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Speaker 3: an alien from another planet, but it is just straightforwardly

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Speaker 3: a human brain. It is a human brain that has

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Speaker 3: been freed of the constraints of the rest of its

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Speaker 3: body and is thus as alien to us as a

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Speaker 3: creature from another planet would.

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Speaker 2: Be righted, And you need, it's going to end up

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Speaker 2: going up against creatures that are more ruled by their body,

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Speaker 2: like teens. You know, they're going to all those changes.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're hard to control.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 3: I do like that the movie has decided there is

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Speaker 3: essentially an equivalence between actual independent thinking because Madjeleevsky resists

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Speaker 3: the brainwashing that everybody else succumbs to, and like having

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Speaker 3: a mad magazine style sensibility, you know, being into pranks

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Speaker 3: and bad behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and in a way it is kind of well,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of well done in the film that the

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Speaker 2: idea of of some of someone being really upfront about

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Speaker 2: being an independent thinker and encouraging you to be an

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Speaker 2: independent Thinker could conceivably be a way of trying you

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Speaker 2: to think a very particular way that yeah, lines up

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Speaker 2: with the speaker's wishes.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's so this movie is in many ways very dumb.

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Speaker 3: It is very dumb down Cronenberg in a way, I

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Speaker 3: would agree with that. But I think one aspect of

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Speaker 3: it that's actually pretty perceptive and good is the satirical

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Speaker 3: aspect about the TV show being called Independent Thinkers. It's

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: a show that is just straight brainwashing telling viewers that

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Speaker 3: they're practicing independent thought. And that kind of thing happens

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Speaker 3: in reality all the time. I think about how often

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Speaker 3: you run it. I just pick one example. On a

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00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: certain issue, you often find people who are repeating totally

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Speaker 3: false disinformation talking points, like against climate change, you know,

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Speaker 3: saying climate change is not real. And you'll often find

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Speaker 3: that these people are repeating talking points verbatim that you've

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Speaker 3: read elsewhere, as if they're just copying and pasting them.

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Speaker 3: But it's all couched within. I'm the person who's practicing

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Speaker 3: independent critical thought, and all you people who believe in

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: climate change are just brainwashed to go with the mainstream,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like if someone refers to other people as sheeple.

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Speaker 2: You can often guess exactly what the key bullet points

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: of their worldview are, right, and it's generally just a

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: matter of reversing other bullet points, right.

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I mean, of course, in reality, we are

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Speaker 3: big fans of independent critical thinking. I think that's one

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Speaker 3: of the most important parts of having a good life.

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Speaker 3: But talking about the fact that you practice independent critical

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00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: thinking is no guaranteed that that's actually what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes it means exactly the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean to a certain extent. It's just

1155
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Speaker 2: like any term can become then used by a disinformation

1156
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 2: campaign or being or used to sell something, etc.

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Speaker 3: So I absolutely by this satirical aspect of the movie.

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Speaker 3: The world, especially today, is just full of people who

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 3: are constantly, almost mindlessly, repeating talking points that have been

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Speaker 3: prepared by other people without thinking about them critically, and

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: while doing so, they are congratulating themselves for being able

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Speaker 3: to think independently, unlike the people who disagree with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be interesting if they remade this today,

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Speaker 2: If somebody remade it and they, you know, they put

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Speaker 2: some thought into some of these themes, I wonder what

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Speaker 2: direction they could go in would doctor Blake have a podcast.

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Speaker 4: That would be interesting?

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Speaker 3: Oh god?

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Speaker 2: Or maybe he'd be on YouTube. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, one pretty dead dead on signal that you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with somebody who is not actually encouraging you to practice

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Speaker 3: independent thinking and may only be using the rhetoric of

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00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: independent thinking without that being the substance of their message.

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Speaker 3: Is someone who presents themselves as the answer to all

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Speaker 3: your problems, as doctor Blake does in the movie That's

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Speaker 3: Your your Number one red flag?

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, doctor Blake has all of the answers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so be afraid because there's probably a giant brain in

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Speaker 2: a vat somewhere just itching to gobble you up. All right,

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Speaker 2: So nineteen eighty eight's the brain. If you've listened to

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Speaker 2: all this and you're asking yourself, how can I see

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Speaker 2: this wonderful film? Well Shop Factory has a really nice

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: Blu ray of it out that's you know that. You

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: can order its imprint, seemingly complete with commentary tracks from

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01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: hunt Zaza Rebrisonean, plus some other interviews and features. It

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Speaker 2: looks really solid. It looks like a really jam packed

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Speaker 2: special edition Blu ray. You can also rent or buy

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Speaker 2: this one digitally wherever you get your movies. I rented

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Speaker 2: it on Amazon Prime, but yeah, you can find it

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Speaker 2: pretty much anywhere you get that stuff these days.

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Speaker 3: Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Johnson. If you would like to get in touch

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1194
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