WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: No Surprises 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.880 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:21.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.759 a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.080 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.479 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:42.479 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Wednesday, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.199 December sixteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, Episode number eighty one. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.640 Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, presented by Geico. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.520 I'm live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.680 We got Dave and Amber. Nick is not joining us today, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.920 but we have a replacement for him that I think 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.000 might be even better. We got Lucky Brooks. He usually 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.080 joins us to talk about the opponent, but he's gonna 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.880 join us all show today. I like that. We're gonna 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.960 talk about everything today. We're gonna start with the or 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.080 We're gonna get to talk about Cowboys versus forty nine ers. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.880 But before we get to that, though, we got to 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.640 catch up on some injury updates. Dave give us an 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:24.360 update on the secondary, particularly Anthony Brown, Cheeto Woozier, Trayvon Diggs, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.800 and Donovan Wilson. Well, it's way too early to know 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.800 if they're gonna play, but all of those guys are 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.240 supposed to do something, I believe, particularly the injured guys, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.720 you know, Anthony Brown, Donovan Wilson, Ty, and Trayvon Diggs. Yes, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.480 Trayvon Diggs is going to be limited in practice on Wednesday, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:50.400 so I can tell him. We're in nine with three 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.640 games left, Like, I'm excited to see if you know, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.160 this full secondary has not been available all season and 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.800 maybe they will be for two or three of these 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.360 final games. And that's exciting. Bucky, I'm gonna ask you 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.440 this question from the standpoint. Yes, yes, it is age, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:10.079 Yes it is. Well, yes, okay, Kevin Dix, it's exciting. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.440 But you're talking about the rest of the group. Well, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.400 I guess Donovan Wilson, we haven't. We've we've gotten to 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.480 see We've gotten to see Donovan for like two or day. Okay, 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.360 I guess half of the half of them. Yes, the 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.079 other half nuts so much because we didn't see any 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.480 any much excitement prior to the injuries. So hater y 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.600 hater in the house, Well, Dave, she told you yesterday. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.280 This is the Amber you're gonna get for the rest 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.280 of the season, so this should not be a surprise. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.040 This is what we're gonna get for the rest of 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.360 the season. This is hater Amber, and it's gonna be 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.320 there until the season is done. Buck, y'all want to 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.000 ask you this question as a former secondary player, as 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.240 a scout um, how much can a young guy like 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.359 a Treylon Dix who had he was basically thrown into 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.280 the fire this year. He was having to garden a 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.480 lot of instances some of the better receivers in the 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.720 league and matchups that the Cowboys had because they just 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.080 did have a lot of their starters available to them 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.799 early in the season. How much can a young guy 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.720 like that learn on the sideline because he's been out 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.959 for these last several weeks, is at a time where 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.320 he really can reflect on some of his experiences at 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.399 that point and then kind of make things make more 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.400 sense watching from the sideline while he's injured. Yeah, he 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.720 can learn a lot. He can learn a lot in 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.520 terms of understanding where he fits with the scheme, So 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:28.880 really understanding what the rules are the scheme. So what 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.640 I do in our cover for am I roll in 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.400 the post? Am I playing man to man some of 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.680 the intricacies that he probably couldn't get because the game 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.240 is going so fast. He now has an opportunity to 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.040 look at these guys do it in practice, to do 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.440 it in games, to review the film, to hear the 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.920 questions and conversations that the coaches are having with the players, 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.080 and maybe take some of that in. But the best 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.920 way to really understand it is to play it and 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.520 do it. And so he'll miss those real reps. But 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.800 depending upon how diligent he was in terms of getting 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.360 the mental reps and asking questions and taking notes, he 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.240 certainly can be a much better player coming back than 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.640 he was when he departed. Yeah, that's really my hope 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.880 for him at this point is that this this allowed 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.680 the game to slow down a little bit for him, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.920 and we will see even better play in these final 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.880 three games if he can manage to get out there. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.920 Let's talk a little bit about Tyler battish Um. He 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.039 was active last week coming back from his injury, but 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.640 he only played six snaps and they were on special teams. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.880 And but do you expect him to return to the 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.240 starting center role and should he return to that role? 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:33.400 If you were making that decision. I think so, I 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.960 think once it's healthy. I know Mike McCarthy talked about 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.440 him and just kind of saying they're easing him back in, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.560 and we saw a couple of plays, but it's it's 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.280 something that they're going to be careful with, supposed to 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.400 just throwing him in there. But yes, I would, And 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.440 this has nothing to do with Joe Looney. I still 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.640 think that if the season would be going in a 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.599 different way, then I would want Joe Looney to be 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.760 the center, the starting center. But at this point, like 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.240 you I just mentioned, you want to see these young 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.080 guys out there. You want to see them getting reps. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.760 We know that that game date reps are very different 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.520 than practice reps and training camp reps, so this time 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.120 is very crucial to rookie guys like him. Dave, what 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.120 do you think? Yeah, I'm really curious about that. You know, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.920 McCarthy isn't going to give too much away. He said 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.120 today that you know, we're gonna keep trying to give 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.320 Tyler opportunities. We're gonna ease him back, no idea what 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:33.400 that means, but I would absolutely put him back into 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.440 the starting line up. Tyler biadis has a definitive future here, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.120 and we all love Joe Looney, but he doesn't. He's 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.200 up for a new contract in this spring, and you 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.760 know he's he's signed two or three contracts with the 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.320 Cowboys at this point. Who knows how many more they 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.000 would want to sign him to. Whereas you know, Tyler's 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.000 got three more seasons on his rookie deal after this, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.720 he's you know, he's the heir to the starting job 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.600 and he needs the reps. I would plug him back 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.600 in there as soon as I feel comfortable about his health. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.280 But I think a lot of it will depend upon 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.120 I think I think a lot of depend upon if 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.560 they're eliminated from the playoffs. I think right now, the 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.839 way the offensive line has been going, they've been playing 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.800 well of late, I don't think you necessarily want to 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.160 tinker with the chemistry until you're eliminated. If you're eliminated, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.720 I would think that he'll be named the starter. He'd 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.640 get right in the lineup and get those rests. But 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.800 as long as they have like a sliver of hope, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.640 I think they're probably going to keep it as it 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.560 is because they finally got it going in the right direction. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.120 Who do you think is a better player at this point, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:31.520 Joe Looney or Tyler Beyotish. I mean, I think Beyondish 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.120 obviously has more upside. I mean, Looney's able to do 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.080 it because of experiencing trickery. He knows all the tricks 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.479 of the trade and how to kind of use his 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.640 neighbors to help him. But eventually Tyler Beatis is going 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.600 to be the starter and hopefully a long term starter. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.480 So you do want to get him in the lineup. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.520 But I can't understand from a coach's mind because they're thinking, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.599 here and now, let's go with the veteran. Let's go 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.440 with the crew that's been going the last few weeks, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.599 and then we'll deal with it whenever we have to 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.520 deal with it if we're eliminated. All right, let's go 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.760 ahead and move into the segment, Bucky, where we're going 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.920 to talk a little bit about the San Francisco forty 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.960 nine ers offense versus a Dallas defensive segment presented by 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.360 Chevron with tech Ron will start what we normally start. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.400 Give us the greatest asset and greatest weakness of the 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:19.080 San Francisco offense. The greatest asset is Kyle Shanahan. This 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.280 is a team that is very systematic and how they 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.680 approach it. He is by far one of the best 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.840 play designers in football, particularly in the run game. He 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.760 does an outstanding job of creating mismatches and big play 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.520 opportunities in the run and all of the teams that 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.920 have traditionally given the Cowboys problems. He is basically the 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.520 master of the scheme. And so when you think about 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.480 the Cleveland Browns, it's the same zone scheme. You think 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.240 about what some of the other teams have been able 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.160 to do successfully Baltimore, some of that stuff applies. But 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.800 he is going to attack the Cowboys the way that 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.360 everybody has. This is a team that utilizes pre snaps 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.440 shifts in motion on seventy percent of their down So 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.080 it's a lot of eye candy, a lot of movement, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.840 a lot of misdirection, and based on how we've seen 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.920 Laden vander esh and Jalen Smith and those guys get lost, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.960 I would expect him to have all the gimmicks and 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.600 all of the shell game going to really make it 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.960 tough for them to find the ball. And then when 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.360 it comes to just a hodgepot to running backs and 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.080 the reason I'll talk too much about him, is because 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.200 they throw anybody in a running back. It could be 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.040 where he mosted, It could be Jeff Wilson, it can 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.400 be any of those guys that are available. We've seen 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.200 those guys go over a hunting yards. Because the combination 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.599 of the scheme and the way that he dials it 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.719 up makes it very, very difficult, and so it's a 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.160 very challenging offense to deal with, particularly when he also 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.120 uses the wide receivers in the running game. Brandon Ayuk 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.600 is basically a wing back, going back to your high 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.000 school days playing in the wing t He's the wing 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.880 back that is half running back, half receiver. They're gonna 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.679 give him a number of carries. Deebo Samuels is out, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.920 so I would expect Brandon Ayuk to take a bigger 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.800 workload when it comes to the running game and those things. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.079 And then the biggest weakness is the quarterback position. Nick 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.360 Mullins is up and down. He's hiding cold. Maybe they 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.600 play CJ. Bethet because Muller's a struggle of late. But 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.160 either way, those guys aren't great. But what Shanahan does 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.439 does a great job of creating opportunities where they can't miss, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.319 and so even bad quarterbacks look good in this system. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.520 And so it is a huge challenge for the Cowboys, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.920 one they can't have to really earn to win. Could 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.760 you please talk more about the receivers and how those 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.360 matchups may look like. We know how beat up this 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.800 secondary is and all of that. So it's that an 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.920 area where it could possibly become a threat for the Cowboys. Absolutely. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:44.800 So what cow Shanahan wants to do is he wants 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.640 to use the running game as bait, to really bait 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.960 the trap, so you guys are out of place, and 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.920 then he takes a shot misdirection, deep shots and those 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.280 things full full flow, play action, max protect and take 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.520 a shot down the field. And so what has to 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.440 happen is Mike Nolan has to make it a very 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.240 early in the game. How am I going to stop 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.000 the run? Am I going to drop an extra defender 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.600 in the box? We've seen in the past what they 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.800 do is they'll show like a five man line, they'll 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.280 drop a safety in the box to have an eight 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.560 man front, and they'll leave their quarterbacks one on one. Well, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.560 the problem with that is you will now see them 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.600 keep everybody in and they'll run two man routes where 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.880 you have Kendrick Bourne or Brennan Ayuk running double moves 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.760 or deep overs or crosses, and the Cowboys have had 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.640 a tough time picking up some of those old school routes. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.800 So this, I would say, from an offensive standpoint, is 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.080 one of the biggest challenges. And it's not because of 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.360 the personnel, but it's because of the guy who has 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.040 the joystick in his hand and Kyle Shanahan. But yeah, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.840 I feel like you kind of outlined all of my 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.400 concerns pretty thoroughly. And that's what I know of watching 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.040 the forty nine ers is that even with a compromised 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.880 quarterback position, between the amount of motion that they do, 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.240 between the amount of different guys that they use in 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.800 the running game, it's a lot to it's a lot 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.559 to keep track of. Like I feel like every time 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.640 I turn their games on said Auk or when he's healthy, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.160 Deebo Samuel's going around the end. They got like eighteen 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.559 different running backs that have had success in that offense. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.800 What confidence should I have that the Cowboys are up 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.160 to that challenge? I mean, even and you know in 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.160 a normal matchup, you say like, Okay, they don't have 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.640 a good quarterback, you crowd the box and confidence that 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.319 the Cowboys can do that, I kind of lean toward no. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.719 I think I think the number one priority has to 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.160 be to stop the run, because we've seen if they 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.000 can't stop the run, teams will absolutely obliterate them. We've 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.079 seen three hundred yard games towards the ninety four yard 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.760 games from the things. So this has to be a 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.839 concerted effort that you sell out to stop the run, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.000 and didn't you just have to live with what you 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.959 give up in the passing game. I think the one 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.480 thing you can encourage the DBS is just keep the 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.520 ball in front, like keep the ball in front of 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.040 the defense, rallyan tackle, just don't let them have the explosive, 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.960 big place in the passing game. If they can die 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.719 a slow death on defense and maybe buckle down and 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.600 the rezon and forced him to kick field goals, that's 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.520 a win for the defense. But this is all hands 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.600 on deck to stop the running game. And the one 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.440 thing that I'm very confident in is Kyle Shanahan has 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:12.160 looked at the Redskins, the Ravens, the Browns. He has 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.000 looked at that tape over and over and over again, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.160 and he is going to test the Cowboys front to 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.120 see if they have answered those problems that popped up. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.680 And if they haven't, they're gonna have a strong dose 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.840 of runs and you may not see them throw a pass. Yeah, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.480 it's interesting. Yes, you talk about did you talk about 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.120 this running attack? And you were talking about how he 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.640 uses all these different backs. It actually for those who 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.160 have been around watching the NFL for a while, they 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.480 may understand what I'm talking about. But it reminds me 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.240 of his dad, Mike Shanahan. When he was in Denver. 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.720 It seemed like they would run any running back in there, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.360 like I'm a fantasy football player, and literally it would 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.400 be you didn't care who was the running back. You 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.120 just want to whoever was the starting running back in 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.920 Denver because you knew they were going to get off 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.400 because he was going to figure out how to make 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.319 create opportunities for them. And it was even different kind 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.280 of backs. He liked those one cut kind of backs. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.520 But but I say all that to get to Raheem Mostert, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.920 who is leading this team in rushing right now. He's 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.040 an extremely fast running back, but since his return from injury, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.800 he's only gained forty three yards against the Rams, forty 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.760 two yards against Buffalo, and then sixty five yards against 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.280 the Washington football team. Is this a function of the 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.040 quality of the run defenses he's faced, Is it his 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.839 health or is it something else? And how much of 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.160 a problem will he particularly be for the struggling Dallas 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:32.400 a run defense. The three defenses that you listed are 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.240 really really good at the front line. The La Rams 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.800 have Aaron Donald who's a problem their run defense. Their 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.760 defense overall has been really good. When you think about 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.160 the Washington football team, their d line loaded, they can 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.600 single handedly wreck shout with those guys up front. We've 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.000 seen them make a run because the defensive front has 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.080 been able to do it. And then Buffalo has gotten 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.440 better on defense and their tryhard group. So it's more 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.160 a byproduct of the competition. Not as much about him, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.800 but what I do know about him him. He is 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.120 described as all those guys you used to talk about 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:08.240 in Denver Downhill, one cut running back, very decisive, not 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.040 a lot of dancing. They pride themselves and not having 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:16.640 negative runs, and so they tell their offensive line, your 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.400 job is to get the running back four yards. Once 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.200 you get the four yards running back, it's on your 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.120 job to do anything out of that. But they live 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.200 for the four yard run, and over time it wears 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.680 you down. And unlike a little bit those old Denver 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.840 teams that you talk about, what they used to do 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.040 is they used to cut you down on the back side. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.560 And so what would happen after they cut the d 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.320 line the first quarter two? Those guys wouldn't chase as 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.640 hard and then you would see these huge gaps where 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.160 they would come out the back door. And so my 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.640 concern is will Dallas play hard enough up front to 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.560 will stand all of the chop blocking in those things 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.440 where they can not give up those big plays, Because 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.840 the play that sticks out in my mind is Kenyan 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.520 Drake at the end of the Arizona game win for 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.200 eighty yards. At the end, you can see those runs happen. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.360 If the Cowboys don't kind of bring the big boys 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.360 plays and don't play with the kind of effort that 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.720 you need to play with the defendive team like this, 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.960 I guess my next question would be about turnovers. And 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.080 we know that based on the game we saw last 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.000 week with the Cowboys defense, much of their success became 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.240 it came from turnovers and the ability to take away 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.000 the ball. Is how good are the forty nine ers 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.320 up protecting their ball? And is this a game where 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.560 the defense could possibly have not a similar game to 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.600 that where they can get their hands on the ball 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.360 and get it to the offense. You know, it's all 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.520 about really if they can win first down, that they 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.040 can have a chance win a first down means holding 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.680 the team to four yards a fewer. So now they 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.480 can put Nig Mullas in situations where he has to 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.080 pass in obvious passing downs. What the Niners want to 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.800 do because there's such a pass, play action pass heavy team, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.000 they want to be in what we call mix downs 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.880 where it's second and five and as a decordinator, you 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.280 don't know if it's run or pass or it's first 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.640 in ten and you're gearing up to stop the run 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.520 and that's when they hit you with the play action pass. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.800 And so it's about winning the early downs. So Mike 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.720 Nolan can dictate the turns with the call if they 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.160 can get them backed up. Yes, Nick Mules would turn 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.160 the ball over not only on interceptions but on phone 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.400 was because he can be careless with the ball. But 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.280 it's about stopping to run early to be able to 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.800 get into those situations where you can pin your ears 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.360 back and go after him. I know you mentioned him 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.320 at the top, as you know they use him as 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.240 a flanker. He's got you know, he's done a lot 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.240 of stuff in the running game. But looking at it, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.480 Brandon Aiyuk like, I don't is he getting enough credit 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.600 for how good of a rookie season that he's having 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.560 because he's got fairly comparable stats to Ceedee Lamb and 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.720 obviously he's only had Jimmy Garoppolo for four or five 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.160 games this season. What I mean, obviously he's a first 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.680 round pick we knew is a good receiver. But what 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.880 I mean what does he look like? How comfortable does 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.639 he look? And how much potential does he have to 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.400 hurt this defense as a true wide receiver. I'll say 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.800 the Cowboys are very, very lucky that Deebo Samuels is 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.000 out because what happens is when you have Deepo Samuys 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.920 and Brandon Nayuk, you have two of the exact same guy. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.159 They're physical, they're tough, they're outstanding with the ball in 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.399 their hands, and the best way to describe it is 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.240 like I said, as a wing back, they're basically running 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.879 backs at the wide receiver position, and the Niners do 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.919 a great job of putting the ball in their hands, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:39.240 fly sweeps in the rounds, quick passes, crossing routes. They 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.920 want those guys to basically have punt returns where they're 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.119 kidding on the move and they're running through tackles on 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.480 the perimeter. He has been a fantastic player and as 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.400 a first rounder, he's lived up to exactly what they want. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.240 And so as they build this team out with Deebo 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:00.159 Samuels and Brandon Nayuk and Jimmy Garoppolo, this is a 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.600 very tough offense to deal with. Luckily, Deebo Saniors isn't 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.600 available and the Cowboys don't have to worry about that 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.240 part of their offense. That was our breakdown with Bucky Brooks, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.760 presented by Chevron with Tech Bron. We're going to take 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.320 our first break we come back. 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Let's talk about this 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.080 Dallas defense earlier this week, Jerry Jones, it may have 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.240 even been lad late last week, Jerry Jones was talking 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.200 on an interview with One on five Down three the Fan, 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.439 and he made the comment that if he had it 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.840 all to do over again, maybe they would have not 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.600 changed the defensive scheme knowing that they had the challenges 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.720 or you know, now knowing that they had the challenges 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.720 that they've had with COVID. My question for you guys 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.119 is is the scheme changed the biggest problem that the 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.000 Dallas defense has faced this season. I'm gonna start first 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:19.119 with you, Dave. Yeah, I think so, just because you know, 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.080 they lost Gerald McCoy on the third day of training camp, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.359 and obviously you know they've had to shuffle the secondary 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.280 a good bit, but we knew the secondary wasn't gonna 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.679 be this elite unit anyway. So I look at it 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.520 and I say, they haven't had nearly the personnel issues 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.879 that the offense has had. You know, they've had, you know, 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.120 standard injuries that come with a football season, but they 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.120 just haven't been decimated of all their most talented players 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:49.880 like the offense has, and I mean, I think it's 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.399 a little simplistic to pen the whole thing on changing 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.480 the scheme, because you know, again I keep saying, like, 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.439 teams have changed schemes all over the league and they 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.879 haven't struggled with it to the degree that the Cowboys have. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.880 So I think I look at it as a as 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:07.440 a you know, an equation between like, they're not that talented, 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.840 they change the scheme, and then somewhere in the middle, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.200 I think the guys that are here for whatever reason 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.919 just haven't committed to the scheme either. You know, you 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.200 go back to like September and October when the coaches 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.639 are very subtly suggesting that like, well, you know, guys 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.679 revert to what they know when they're not sure what 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.200 to do, which is basically like a very nice way 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.199 of saying, they're not doing what we're asking them to do. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.639 They're freelancing, and that leads to really bad results. So 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.320 I think it's a combination of all three of those things. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.919 But you could probably eliminate two of them if you 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.439 hadn't changed the scheme. So if you had stuck with 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.240 what you had, you would have not that talented defense, 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.119 but at least they would have confidence in what they 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.840 were doing, and maybe, you know, they would probably look 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:58.119 a little bit better even if they weren't great. Amber. Well, 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.840 we all know my football knowledge is somewhat limited and 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.840 I am no football expert here, So I'm going to 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.280 post a question to Bucky because in my eyes, and 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.320 I get it, you get you have different schemes and 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.639 all that, But at the same time, I have a 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:19.320 hard time understanding why it is so hard to change 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.800 from schemes. Like the way I see it is that 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.480 every football player should be able to adapt to whatever 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.480 the scheme is and to be able to figure out 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.199 how to fit in whatever is being asked. At the 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.400 same time, from a coaching standpoint, I see it like 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.600 you should adjust your scheme based on the talent that 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:43.000 you have and what your players are more capable of doing. 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:47.879 But my question, Bucky, is it's just that Why is 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.960 it so hard? Why is scheme such a big deal 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:55.760 and so complicated when it comes to a transition and 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.040 changing between a four to three and a three four 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.240 I don't get it, man. I think we could do 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.280 an entire podcast on this issue. When it comes to 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:09.399 the Cowboys, when it starts leadership, Mike Nolan is a 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.000 drastically different leader than Rod Marinelli and Christopher Shardon in 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.320 terms of the way that he commands the room. He's 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.359 a little more dos Allen his approach, and he wants 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.720 to teach and maybe negotiate with the players as opposed 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.439 to kind of demanding and setting high standards and pulling 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.879 guys out. And so you saw some of that happen early. 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.679 In terms of the complexity of the scheme, the scheme 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.560 that was in existence before was very, very simple. It 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.879 was basically a high school team. They lined up and 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.760 the same thing. They did it over and over again, 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.560 and they believed through repetition that you cleared the mind. 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.760 You allowed guys to play fast and they would make 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.359 plays because they were more confident because they knew exactly 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:46.879 what to do and how to do it. And you 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.919 spent your time coaching effort and those things. Mike Nolan 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.679 wanted to add more complexity to the thing early on. 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.639 Remember in the opening press conference, he was like, Hey, 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.640 We're just not going to line up in that old 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:00.800 high school cover three. It is too good, Like you 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.760 have to have more variances or whatever. And so the 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.199 more that you do, the more veritables come into it, 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.120 the more that you have to explain to the players 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.600 and the more that they have to understand. And when 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.919 you have so many moving parts, young guys coming in, 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.480 veterans coming in everything, I think a lot was lost 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.520 in translation, and so with out OTAs and all that 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.119 other stuff, it was just a recipe for disaster. But 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.879 then once you get into the season, it's on the 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.640 coordinated to be able to recognize, we're not very good 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.720 at these things. So I'm only going to call these 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.680 handful of plays and we're gonna get good at that. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.240 And it took them a long time to recognize that. 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.520 And I still don't know if they've settled into here's 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.000 what we're good and if we're just gonna run these 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.680 things because this is all that our players understand. So 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.760 then the follow up question to that is do they 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.919 have the right players right now to be able to 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:56.200 play successfully play a three fourth scheme? Dave, No, No, 0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:00.960 I don't. I mean no, hey, I don't know that 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.040 they have any of those components. I mean you don't. Okay, 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.000 didn't take me farther, Take me a little farther and 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.520 tell me specifically, where do you think they need different 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.080 players or players that maybe you think right now you 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.760 could work here in this defense. I take that back. 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.399 Randy Gregory could play in a three four, but I've 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.240 never seen DeMarcus Lawrence as a three four guy. It 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.240 doesn't seem like he's adapted all that well to standing up. 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.159 You don't really have the bodies that ideally that you 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.640 need for a three four front, like you know, the 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.240 three four ends and the nose tackle. Tyrone Crawford was 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.080 drafted to do that, but I don't think you would 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.320 want him to do it now, which I mean, are you, like? 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.200 Are we? And I don't even know. It's interesting because 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:45.679 we don't know for sure where this is going. I 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.760 think that's one of the more frustrating things about this 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.119 season with Mike Nolan is you know, say what you 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.520 will about Rod Marinelli, but you knew exactly what he 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.600 wanted to do, and you knew exactly what he wanted 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.280 his defense to look like. Like is like we see 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.160 we talk about this hybrid stuff or they have four 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.800 three or they have three four. Sometimes guys are standing up, 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.040 but it's not a it's not a three it's not 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.960 a three four front. This defense has never seemed to 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.399 have an identity under Mike Nolan. Maybe that's because he 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.320 doesn't have the ideal personnel, But will he be here 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.000 in twenty twenty one to help them acquire the personnel 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.760 that they need or will I mean, even if they do, Like, 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.760 even if let's just let's just hypothesize that Mike Nolan 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.879 stays here, what what is it going to look like. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:32.560 Is he gonna be like, all right, we're going all 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.359 in on this three four thing and we're gonna draft 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.480 for that and mold it around that I don't really know, 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:42.000 And honestly, with the personnel that you have here, I 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.879 probably wouldn't want to. I think I said this the 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.720 other day, like DeMarcus Lawrence is the best and the 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.239 most expensive guy, and you're committed to him, and I 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.960 think he should probably be playing on a four man line. 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.600 And so that's that's what I would do. Is And 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.960 that doesn't mean you have to run Rod's scheme again. 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:02.960 But I don't know that I would want to just 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.320 blow this thing up and completely renovate it while I 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.200 have guys under contract that are tailored for a different scheme. 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:13.840 But what are your thoughts? Man? It's tough because Dave 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.399 outline a bunch of issues because right now what you 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.200 have is a mess. You have some of what fits 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.520 what Rod Marinella and Christian Chardon those guys want to do, 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.800 and you have some of what Mike Nolan wants to do. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:26.560 And so the first thing you have to do is 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.080 figure out are we going to go forward with this 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.280 marriage with Mike Nolan because it doesn't make sense to 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.359 go forward. But then you're hedging your bet and then 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.400 you give him his players, and then in the middle 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.320 of next season you fire him, and then the way 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.840 you go, you wasted another year. I think it's really 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.600 a lot of samantas in terms of three four and 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.120 four to three, like you have four bodies and whether 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.880 you call DeMarcus Lawrence autside linebacker Edge Dresher, he's one 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.400 of the thing. I think the main thing is can 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.280 you call the defense that allows to Marcus Lawrence and 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.480 Jalen Smith and Vander esh to do what they do best. 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.640 That's the main thing. And in the secondary what happened 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.240 there was a change. Right part of the reason why 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.760 Bryan Jones didn't come back is because there was a 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.040 lot of conversation about buying Jones not generating turnovers, Well, 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.880 you don't generate turnovers when you play man demand because 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.800 your back is to the quarterback. If you want to 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.520 get interceptions, you play zones so you can see the 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.040 ball come out of the quarterback's hands, which is what 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:24.200 we've seen. They played more off in theory to get interceptions, 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.480 off tips and overthrows in those things. The thing is, 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.800 I still think it's a mess in the secondary because 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.920 Diggs can play that way, but a Woozier and the 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:36.680 other guys are not necessarily built to play that way. 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.400 And so this has to be a meaning of the minds. 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.760 And the biggest decision that they will make is what 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.600 to do with Mike Nolan and his scheme because Will 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.400 McClean the scouts, they don't know who to go get, 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.360 because everybody doesn't fit how they want to play, and 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.640 so it's a mess. And because of that, that is 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.960 what we've seen on the field, a mess. So we're 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:56.680 gonna take our final break when we come back. We're 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.360 gonna get all those topics that Bucky just highlighted. 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Back to the break, Welcome Back. 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.800 It is the final segment of the Break. Were Alive 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.880 from the SWVC Mortgage Studios. We're presented by Geico. Let's 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.000 talk a little bit about Mike Nolan specifically, and I'm 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.320 gonna start off having Ambre answer this question first. How 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.160 much benefit of the doubt should be given to Mike 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.040 Nolan because of COVID and what he wanted to do, 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.520 And should he get a chance to maybe try this 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.560 after an offseason where maybe they can get more players 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.479 that can fit a scheme that it seems like he 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:51.520 wants to go to Amber. No, that's nonsense. There's zero 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.080 benefit of the doubt here, and I'm gonna tell you why. Okay, 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.160 First of all, I don't want to minimize what's happened 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.320 with COVID. Obviously know how big of an impact that 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.920 has affected everyone around the world. But when it comes 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.240 to the Cowboys and COVID and all of that, when 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.440 you look at it and you compare other teams in 0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.600 the NFL, the Cowboys have been one of the least 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.840 affective teams around the NFL and they haven't really had 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.160 to deal with something huge or a breakout here with 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.720 the Cowboys. Now, the way I look at it, you 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.240 guys talked about scheme just now, this is not a 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.400 year where you come in trying to implement new things. 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.480 You need to adjust. You need to adjust to your players, 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.200 look at what's not working and make the right changes. 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.800 Because this is because of the lack of training camp, 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.160 you know, the lack of the off season, the ability 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:48.400 of being together in person and practicing together for a 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.440 longer period of times and all that. It's going to 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.000 affect the whole wanting to teach new things and implement 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:58.600 all those things. So I think that Mike Nolan as 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.240 a coach, just in general, a coach should be able 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:09.760 to arrange things to I can think of the right word, 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:14.680 but accommodate the players better, something that suits the players better. 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.279 And again, one of the things to me is that 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.839 when something's not working, then change it. Change it. It's 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.880 you don't need to be so com you don't need 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:30.440 to overcomplicate things. And realistically speaking, you cannot change your 0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.799 whole defense. You cannot go out in the draft and 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.919 try to draft all the players that are gonna be 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.880 benefiting what you're looking to do as far as scheme wise. 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.200 So that's the time where you need to take a 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.480 step back and go go out of what you're wanting 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.879 to do and try to figure out a better game 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.960 plan for what you have right now that fits your players. 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.239 So don't talk to me about COVID and any of that, 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:59.560 because there's no benefit of the DOAO here, all right, Bucky, 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.279 I think you have to I think you have to 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.080 move on. I don't think. I don't think you get 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:06.640 the benefit of the doubt because when I look at 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.879 the LA Rams and how they become a dominant unit 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.880 under Brandon's daily his first year, a lot of it 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.359 is due to being a great teacher, being a great communicator, 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.880 being able to hold guys accountable, and so it's not 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.520 really about the scheme. It's about the leadership part of it. 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.120 And I think Mike McCarthy has said this a few 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.360 times where he talked about a the chemistry and the 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.080 continuity not necessarily of the players, but of the coaching staff. 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.359 And when he said that, my ears perked up. I 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.080 think there's a little buyer's remorse with some of the 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.799 coaches outside of Mike Nolan that are on that staff. 0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.719 And I don't have anything to say that, but I 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.279 just believe that from a teaching standpoint, when you have 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.319 all of the issues that have taken place, somewhere it 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.160 trickles down from the coordinator to the position coaches where 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.960 it's not being communicated or taught effectively, And so I 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:58.040 think they're gonna do a deep dive under the hood 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.680 to figure out why this wasn't taught while we're not 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.920 playing at a level that we should be playing yet, 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.040 because it shouldn't be this difficult when I look at 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.080 some of those teams that have a success on defense, 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:12.400 we have new coordinators, Dave, Are any of the like 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.640 hundreds of players that get cut or don't get offered 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.360 contracts with their teams this offseason going to get the 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.920 benefit of the doubt, Like if they went out and 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.239 just didn't perform up to expectations, had bad seasons, Like yeah, there. 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.040 I mean, there's a million reasons why that might be 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.560 the case, but front officers probably aren't going to give 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.279 them a benefit of the doubt, like, oh, cheetoh, we 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.080 just we think you'll be a lot better in a 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:37.320 non pandemic year. We don't have a ton of tape 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.200 that suggests otherwise, But we're just going to offer you 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.120 this nice contract because we like you. Like No, that 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.000 doesn't happen for players. It shouldn't happen for coaches. And 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.680 I agree with Bucky's point about the Rams, but I'll 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.719 even say, you know, the Rams have Aaron Donald and 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.720 Jalen Ramsey, like they've got some amazing pieces there. But again, 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:57.399 I'll say it for the million time, the New York 0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.760 Giants and the Carolina Panthers, both new coaching staff, first 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.839 year NFL head coaches. They're not great defenses, but they're 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.399 they're solid, especially the Giants. The Giants are in top 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.560 ten and scoring, you know, like a whole new coaching 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.720 staff asking players to do different things. And the Giants 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.279 they have some talented players. They've got some first round 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.040 picks on that defense, but not anybody that's you know, 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.440 we're not talking about like the best of the best 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.440 in the NFL on that defense. They're just executing and 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.160 doing what they're supposed to do. And for that matter, 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:29.600 I can't help it, you know, I can't help but 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.040 think about the offseason and training camp, like everybody loves 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.160 to say, like, oh my god, how many times did 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:39.320 we hear like, actually, the virtual installation was really smooth, 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.839 Like the guys handled it like pros, Like nobody it 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.040 was awesome, like we did a great job of the 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.680 virtual installation, and now here we are in December and 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.680 they suck, And it's like, well, of course we suck. 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.919 We did everything virtually well, you told me it wasn't 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.440 a problem, so I don't expect it to be a problem. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.360 And I don't want to make light of the pandemic. 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.120 It's it sucks. I'm so sick of it. It has 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.240 affected my life and my mental health. I can't imagine 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.439 trying to play football at a high level on top 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.160 of all that. But this is the profession that you 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.680 have chosen, and you're at the very top level of it, 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.680 and it just goes with the dinner, as Jason Garrett 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.400 likes to say. So, no, there's there's no benefit of 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.600 the doubt. Let me pick it back on this there quickly. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.399 I think one thing that you have to understand when 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.359 you talk about the Giants and the scheme today run. 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.200 The Giants put a huge priority on making sure that 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.439 they had high IQ guys on their defense because their 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.840 defense has a level of complexity. The previous defense that 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:40.160 Dallas ran, it didn't necessarily require you to have guys 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.800 that were high IQ guys because it was very simple 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.200 and it allowed you to just play on instincts and reactions. 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.200 And so when you have a room full of guys 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.080 that may not necessarily be a level students, and then 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.920 you come in with a complex defense, you begin to 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.920 have some of those issues. And so when they talk 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.959 about freelancing and those things, it may not have been freelancing. 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.719 It may have been a lack of comprehension. And the 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.200 pandemic exposed your ability to teach, and if you're not 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.280 a good teaching, you can't meet students in different levels. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.920 We see what plays out. I'm not saying that I 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.360 have anything on that, but I think it's something to 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.120 consider when you think about the mental lapses that occurred 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.360 early in the year with this defense. Yeah, and I 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.439 agree with that, Buck. I do think though, the other 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.080 thing to consider about that is that also means that 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.160 it's equally hard to know. And Dave mentioned that they 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.360 were talking about how well it was going with the 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:38.839 virtual installation. Well, it's hard to know when you're doing 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.200 installation virtually whether guys are picking up the information. You 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.560 won't know that until you throw them out on the field. 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.879 So it was probably a little short cited for them 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.640 to make the comment that everything's going well. They don't 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.480 know everything's going well. They can't see that until they 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.520 get the guys on the field, and especially if they 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.719 have issues where these guys really aren't comprehending it, where 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.440 the product actually looks like they were not comprehen ending it. 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.280 They didn't know that until they gotten them on the field. 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.839 And I'm wondering, like, once they got the training camp 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.640 and they're having the coaches meetings after each practice, I'm wondering, 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.160 how much of the conversation is, oh, gosh, they really 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.560 don't know what they're doing out there, like they look lost. Now, 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.640 maybe that wasn't happening because they had an offensive line 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.400 that was really banged up, and so it looked like 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.160 every play your pass rushers are going to get home 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.520 every play. Right, That's how it looked during training camp, 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.640 and that may have given them a false sense of security. 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.440 But at some point they had to figure out once 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.520 they got these guys on the field, they weren't comprehending 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:34.520 the information. And that's coaching, and so that's the part 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.799 of coaching. Coaching is the ability to see where we 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.399 are and to make to make changes. And I won't 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.640 just put this on Mike Nolan. Part of that is 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.080 on Mike McCarthy too, because Mike McCarthy has to look 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.880 and look at all the bewildered defenders and the guys 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.719 with the wild like deer and head lights looking. He 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.319 has to say, hey, Mike, tighten this up. We gotta 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.719 scale it back, make it simple. I want the guys 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.480 to play fast, and I don't care if they line 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.480 up in cover for the entire game. I don't want 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.000 any mental bus And so it's all of that, and 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.839 so part of the reset. If I'm ownership, I'm talking 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.960 to Mike McCarthy, Hey man, the first year of your program, 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.000 like we kind of got sold a bill of goods, 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.760 and so we need to see that stuff that happened 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.640 in Green Bay, because we're now going to climb to 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:22.400 think maybe it was Aaron Rodgers and not the other stuff. 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.520 And I didn't think it was like that before. All right, 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:30.480 let's move on with I was just gonna say another 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.040 aspect of being a great teacher to me is the 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:39.160 inspirational and motivational part of it, because I think, especially 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:42.080 in a year like this, you know, and Dave you 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.200 mentioned mental health. I mean, this is a your word. 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.399 It has affected all of us. And when you see 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.440 the way that the defense was playing at the beginning 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.640 of the year, the lack of motivation, the lack of 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.560 energy that has to do that has to come from 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:58.320 whoever the voice is in that room, whoever is speaking. 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.200 And one of the things that I think this team 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:05.360 is missing from Jason Garrett was that part of being 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.279 that inspiration and motivating people. And we've been in some 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.759 of those meetings with Jason Garrett talking and where I mean, 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:14.799 I'm sitting there and at the end of it, I'm like, 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.600 all right, who do we gotta take down? Like I'm motivated. 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:21.799 So I think that the players that needed that, and 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.399 I feel that that's another mental part of the game 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.480 that we don't talk about enough that I think that 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:33.239 they've missed this year. Yeah, Amber to go off of that. 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.480 So when you're building your coaching staff out, you want 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.200 to make sure that you don't have too many of 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.920 the same kind of guys. And so Mike McCarthy is 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.520 kind of laid back. Mike Nolan is laid back. Where 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.920 you guys are there, who is the guy to get 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.359 them going? Like, who is the coach that stands up 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.600 in the room, it's like no, Yes, who is the 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.120 guy on the defensive staff that is like, no, this 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.840 is unacceptable. I don't care what you guys are telling me. 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.160 We're not running to the ball. Look at the tape. 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.200 You can't have everyone trying to be their friend. Somebody 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.399 has to be the depend in the room. You would 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.200 think Tom Sula is that kind of guy, at least 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.239 from what I've heard of him. I've never met him, 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.399 because again we haven't met most of these guys as 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.359 we would in a normal year, but you would think 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.239 he would be that kind of guy that just kind 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.400 of tells it like it is. But you're right, Bucky. 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.160 We saw the difference when Christoph Shard got here and 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.200 how he was in guy's faces, and that made a 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:24.000 difference for that first year he was here, I think 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.120 where guys were taking notice and they were they were 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.000 responding to it, and I think that's a big part 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.320 of it. It was probably and I think Amber's absolutely 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.400 right on this, It was probably the best part of 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.480 what Jason Garrett brings as a coach, in my opinion, 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.839 is his ability to motivate, because it was very rare 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.200 during his time here. When you saw them having games 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.400 where they didn't where they lacked effort, or where they 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.640 just got completely blown out. He had a way of 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.400 getting his team motivated to play. They may not have 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.160 always made all the right decisions. I questioned a lot 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.440 of things they did from a tactical standpoint, but when 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.439 it came to motivating his team and getting them ready 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.680 to play, from that standpoint, it seemed like he was very, 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.360 very very good at that. Real quick before we in 0:43:58.440 --> 0:43:59.960 the show, I did want to talk a little bit 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.160 about the secondary. Mike McCarthy said this morning on his 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.240 press conference that some of the young secondary players played 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.160 well last week. Who did you guys think played well? 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.800 You have guys like Richard Robinson, Savian Smith, Deontay Burden 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.239 that we're out there, and did any of them make 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.239 a case or starting to make a case that maybe 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.560 they should be back next year with all of the 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.200 free agents that you have in the secondary. Let's start 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:26.880 first with you, Bucky. I mean, they played well, but 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.319 I'm wondering if we dropped out of standards so low 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:33.359 that we're okay with just not given, you know, giving 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.200 them passing March because they didn't let the ball fly 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.319 over the head and it was the Cincinnati Bengals. I 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.240 think Savian Smith and Richard Robinson have a role, maybe 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.799 as the fourth and fifth guy, but I think for 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.160 this team to compete, because you have to remember, this 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.840 team has to be built to defeat the New York Johnson, 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.719 the Washington Riskins, and those teams aren't going anywhere with 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.960 the defenses that they have. You have to get a 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.200 level players in the secondary. And I can say outside 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.040 of Dicks that I really would be fired up about 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.319 bringing any of those guy back that are hanging around 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:07.200 as free agents. Camber. I mean, I know we're running 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.319 out of time as far as the season goes, but 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.120 some of these guys, I mean, I just haven't seen enough. 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.400 That game wasn't enough for me to base an opinion. 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.720 And then the one thing that I'll say, though, based 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.560 on that game and the way that they were playing, 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.799 that I liked was at least the fight. We just 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.719 got done talking about motivation. We know the secondary was 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.279 struggling with injuries and a lot of guys. Some of 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.480 those guys got hurt in the game and all that 0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.840 one of them came back in and all, but still 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.920 there was the one to fight and the will to 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.879 go out there and at least try to play good. 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.880 So that's the aspect that I saw that I liked 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.160 from those young players in that game. But as far 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.319 as performances that just that wasn't enough for me to 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:53.120 base an opinion on them just yet. Dave, I'm definitely 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.520 I'm not about to like it's the Bengals, it's Brandon Allen. 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.080 Good for you that I did. I did think that 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.920 Richard robin and played really well, and I he intrigued 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:07.200 me especially I full disclosure, I'm I'm more familiar with 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.000 him than most would be because he did go to LSU. 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.080 He was a fourth of course, of course, just saying, 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:17.160 I mean, just saying, but he is. Honestly, he is 0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.160 exactly the type of guy that the Cowboys would sign 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.040 in free agency. You know, he's a fourth round pick. 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.280 He's kind of kicked around the league. He's started fifteen 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.520 to twenty games, which is not a small amount for 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:31.920 a guy who's back at the depth chart. He's a 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.319 lot like I'm not saying their games are similar, but 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:38.000 it's a similar signing to Maurice Kennedy, who people forget 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:41.280 about because he opted out before the season. Started, so 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:43.920 you know, if they want to bring him back to 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.399 be their fourth or fifth guy because he's dirt cheap, 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.239 I don't have a problem with that. I think he's 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.480 played up to that level. But this is we're not 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.279 talking about a guy who's going to come in and 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:58.000 hopefully be a meaningful part of your secondary I'm really 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.160 intrigued by that because you know they're gonna need to 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.920 sign somebody. You know, they always say, like you address, 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.359 you address things in free agency so that you don't 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.080 go into the draft with an insane need. And as 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.120 it stands right now, they're going to have an insane 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:16.120 need if they don't sign somebody. So whether it's Cheeto 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.640 or Jordan Lewis or somebody from outside, either way, like 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.600 they're going to need to sign a starting caliber cornerback 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.960 in free agency, and history tells us that they will 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.560 probably resign one of their own to avoid having to 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:33.520 spend as much money. I know that's not what people 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.720 want to hear, but that's what I expect, So um, 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.320 I'll be interested. Yeah, Like I said, Richard Robinson is 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.279 a guy that I could see them bringing back just 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.080 so that they say they can say, well, we've got 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:47.760 a guy who's capable of starting in case of emergency. 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.440 Don't forget Xavier Woods there at safety is also God's 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.040 going to be a free agent. They got a lot 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.279 of things that they got, They got them work, They 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:59.400 have work to do, and you would think they can 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.480 let him go. Yeah, you go down that list and 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.120 you can get rid of a lot of those guys. 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.040 I think it goes back to what Dave saying, Now, 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.680 you got to replace him. So will his group got 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.120 to get to work because they're gonna have to either 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:10.600 go out in free agency or they're gonna have to 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.200 go in the draft, and they got have to replace 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.840 all those guys that they're willing to let walk and 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:18.200 and and probably walk or both. Yeah, exactly, all right, 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.040 we appreciate you guys join us. We'll be back tomorrow. 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.399 Bucky's gonna join us again and talk just this time 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.000 I think about about the forty nine Ers defense versus 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.040 the Cowboys offense. But if he wants to stick around, 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:28.560 he can stick around and talk a little bit more 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:32.680 Cowboys football with us. Till for for Bucky Brooks, Dave 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.560 Helm and Pars about to say there and we miss you. Nick. 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.160 We'll hopefully have be like tomorrow. Well, we'll see you 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.480 guys tomorrow. This has been The Break live on Dallas 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:46.239 Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.960 Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.