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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little loan facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We

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Speaker 1: are your twins of trivia, your divorces of data, reporting

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Speaker 1: live from the isolation Cabin of Information. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Hegel, and you know

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Speaker 1: on principal we don't really cover many remakes on this show,

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Speaker 1: mostly because they're never as good as the original. But

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Speaker 1: this time we'll have to make an exception. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about Parent Trap, a remake of the Disney

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Speaker 1: classic from one. I love the original with Hayley Mills

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Speaker 1: so much. As a kid, I was a big fan

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Speaker 1: of that run of live action Disney movies from the

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Speaker 1: early sixties when they had stuff like What's Was Family, Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Pollyanna Apple, Dumpling Gang. I loved all those so I

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Speaker 1: was feeling very skeptical when I went into the movie

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Speaker 1: theater in the summer to see this new version, and

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Speaker 1: I was so completely, totally, utterly one over by Lindsay Lohan,

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Speaker 1: whose immense star power was apparent to me even as

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Speaker 1: a ten year old given a recent comeback in the

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Speaker 1: Netflix movie Falling into Christmas, which shockingly is her first

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Speaker 1: high profile released since The Canyons, it seemed fitting to

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Speaker 1: revisit our first introduction to this extremely talented actress. And uh,

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Speaker 1: some of this may be residual guilt on my part.

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Speaker 1: My first job as an entertainment writer out of college

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Speaker 1: which ye say that, Yeah, you're calling us a come back.

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Speaker 1: You're bold man, sweet boy, Well, don't call it a

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Speaker 1: come back. She's been it for years. The whole erra

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Speaker 1: wasn't covered with the degree of sensitivity that it could

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Speaker 1: have been or should have been, like it would have

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Speaker 1: been today. So I'm glad she's back acting again, seemingly

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Speaker 1: happy and healthy. It's been a long road. Hi, go,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of this version of The Parent

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Speaker 1: Trap where he was thoroughly charmed by her as a

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Speaker 1: tween boy as I was nope, you know kid's sister,

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Speaker 1: And uh, this was one of her favorite movies. So

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Speaker 1: I've just always viewed it as like just something I

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Speaker 1: was exposed to, uh at against my will. Um, much

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Speaker 1: like you're doing this episode. Yeah, I I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: I would have been just coming off like Men in

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Speaker 1: this is kids stuff for Armageddon, Independence Day? Yeah, Jurassic Park, Blade, Blade,

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Speaker 1: the movie Blade, which taught me how to curse first

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Speaker 1: So ninety eight was the year of Blade for me.

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Speaker 1: what do you want game over? Man? I'm you're not

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Speaker 1: Douche essentially, just like well, I was at least thoroughly

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Speaker 1: charmed by Lindsay Lohan and the version of the Parent Traps.

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Speaker 1: That's we're gonna talk about today. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: get into the Hailey Mills version. That's another tale for

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Speaker 1: another day. So let's dive in from the future superstars

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Speaker 1: role or rather rolls, the cutting edge camera tricks employed

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Speaker 1: it was Jesse for years, and all the subt of

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Speaker 1: ways the remake paid tribute to the original. Here's everything

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Speaker 1: he didn't know about the Parent Traps starring Lindsay Lohan.

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Speaker 1: The story of Parent Trap two point oh begins with

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Speaker 1: the mighty Nancy Myers, a brilliant writer and producer who,

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Speaker 1: prior to this was responsible for Private Benjamin with Goldie Hawn,

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Speaker 1: Meyer's universe synergy. There was supposed to be a scene

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Speaker 1: in not one, but three sequels to The Parent Trap.

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Speaker 1: The first was just called The Parent Trap two and

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Speaker 1: more made for TV sequels with Haley Mills, Parent Trap three,

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Speaker 1: they brought in my boy, Dean Cundy, John Carventer's first collaborator.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's in who framed Roger Rabbit back to

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Speaker 1: the Future of Paul thirteen Jurassic Partners in effect legend

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Speaker 1: he does all these does all these stricky effect shots

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Speaker 1: and parent trapped County's my boy, but you know there

431
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Speaker 1: are still problems that's evolving technology. By way of illustration,

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Speaker 1: for some of the scenes that are shot outside, it's

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Speaker 1: easy to tell that Lindsay is playing both twins because

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Speaker 1: their shadows are different because the sun. But this is

435
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Speaker 1: obviously like an incredibly painstaking process, especially with a child

436
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Speaker 1: star and the mandated that she act every scene twice perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Um and you know they kind of had to make

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Speaker 1: their own fun on the set to get through this.

439
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: The actresses who were played the evil Meredith Blake and Chessie,

440
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Speaker 1: the loyal housekeeper for Alle and Annie's dad really bonded

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Speaker 1: over all this downtime, and they actually became best friends

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Speaker 1: and remained so to this day. Yeah uh. Lisa and Walters,

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Speaker 1: who played Chessie, later said, part of the reason we

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Speaker 1: became best friends on that scent is we spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time creating fun for ourselves back in the trailers.

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Speaker 1: What we waited for setups to happen. But poor Lindsay

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Speaker 1: did not make it easy on herself. So she was

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Speaker 1: not the beneficiary of all these three times because all

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Speaker 1: the extra setups were just for her. But she made

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Speaker 1: it hard on herself, particularly because of her choice of

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Speaker 1: nail polish. During an interview with Vogue in April two,

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Speaker 1: she said, I was so strong in the fact that

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Speaker 1: I had to wear nail polishes Hallie, and it had

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Speaker 1: to be the blue hard candy. So what that meant

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Speaker 1: was that this would have to be painstakingly removed and

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Speaker 1: reapplied every time she had to switch to playing the

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Speaker 1: other twin, which she said made things quote a nightmare

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Speaker 1: for everybody. In a presaging of her later career, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: as you meditate on that, we'll be right back with more.

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Speaker 1: Too much information after these messages. I just want to

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Speaker 1: take a quick history break right here. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to get into the Hilly Mills version, because, as we said,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole another episode. But I didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: The Parent Trap is actually based on a nineteen book

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Speaker 1: by the German children's author Eric Castner called Lisa and Lottie,

466
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Speaker 1: and the author had actually developed it during World War

467
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Speaker 1: Two as a potential movie, but the Nazi authorities refused

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Speaker 1: to let him work because he was a pacifist and

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Speaker 1: openly opposed the Nazi Party. He had been interrogated by

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Speaker 1: the Gestapo on numerous occasions, and his books were subject

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Speaker 1: to the famous Nazi book burnings. To be honest, I

472
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Speaker 1: don't know why he wasn't just killed out right, But

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Speaker 1: apparently just before Berlin fell at the end of the

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Speaker 1: war in nine, he received the tip at the SS

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Speaker 1: plan to come to his house and kill him and

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Speaker 1: other Nazi opponents. So he skipped down pretending to location

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Speaker 1: scout for a non existent film. That was his cover story.

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Speaker 1: So that's all crazy. The guy wrote the story for

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Speaker 1: The Parent Trap. In addition to the Disney versions of

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Speaker 1: The Parent Trap, Eric Castner's book has been adapted into

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Speaker 1: a nineteen fifty movie in Germany and also on nick

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Speaker 1: Iranian movie called Strange Sisters. Uh. You know he was

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Speaker 1: nominating for the Noble Prize in Literature times six times.

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Speaker 1: That's brutal. Wow, that's that's almost as bad as having

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Speaker 1: the s s after you. Hey. Well, from Nazis to

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00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: youth camps. A Shooting for the movie began in July,

487
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: just after Lindsay's eleventh birthday, and it went through mid December,

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Speaker 1: filming on locations in London, Los Angeles, Napa Valley, and

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Speaker 1: Lake Arrowhead, where they shot the scenes that took place

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Speaker 1: at Camp Walden, which is filmed in the real life

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Speaker 1: summer camp called Camp Seeley. Big parent trap fans and

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Speaker 1: you have little girls who want to go to summer camp,

493
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: send them there and then when you pick him up

494
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: you can see the real Camp Walden. Um. Lissyl has

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Speaker 1: allergic to horses, so that's one outdoorsy camp activity that

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Speaker 1: was off limits tour. It's also allergic to blueberries. All right,

497
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: that sucks. Sorry, Sorry, Lindsey, are good berry Nothing says

498
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: summer camp like some good old fashioned gambling. And the

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Speaker 1: scene where the pair of unwitting twins play poker against

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Speaker 1: one another is one of my favorites. They are apparently

501
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Speaker 1: very good at poker because the odds that they get

502
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Speaker 1: the hands that they're dealt are astronomically high. And he

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Speaker 1: gets a straight flush which has the odds of seventy

504
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Speaker 1: two thousand to one, and how he gets a royal

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Speaker 1: flush which has odds of six hundred and fifty thousand

506
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Speaker 1: to one, And the odds of them both getting these

507
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Speaker 1: hands is around forty six point eight billion to one.

508
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Speaker 1: That's more poker hands that have been played at all

509
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Speaker 1: the major casitos on the Las Vegas Strip over the

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Speaker 1: last hundred years, to put that in perspective. So the

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Speaker 1: odds of winning, just to put this all in perspective,

512
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Speaker 1: or the odds of winning the lottery are fourteen million

513
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Speaker 1: to one. So they're good poker players. It's a little

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Speaker 1: sidebar here. One of the little girls at Camp Walden

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Speaker 1: is future Vampire Diary star Cat Graham, making her feature

516
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Speaker 1: film debut. She plays one of Annie's camp friends. She

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Speaker 1: was supposed to have a bunch of speaking lines, but

518
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Speaker 1: most of them were cut out. I think actually all

519
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Speaker 1: of them are cut out, but at least she kept

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Speaker 1: her Camp Walden T shirt from the film, which she

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Speaker 1: cut up into a fringe on the bottom and beat

522
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Speaker 1: it as was the fashion of the time. Apparently she

523
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Speaker 1: busted it out for something she filmed for People TV

524
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: a few years back, thus for filling the it belongs

525
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Speaker 1: the museum segment of this show. She was I guess

526
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: so eagier to make a good impression on Lindsay Lohan

527
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Speaker 1: that she studied up on her and learned that she

528
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Speaker 1: loved Sugar Ray and Hanson. Those were her two favorite bands,

529
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Speaker 1: So Cat Graham got really into Sugar Ray and Hanson

530
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Speaker 1: to have something to talk about with her, which is

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Speaker 1: adorable to me. The most memorable scene at the camp

532
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: are the prank wars, when Hallie and her friends put

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Speaker 1: goo and water balloons and all sorts of gross stuff

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Speaker 1: in Annie's cabin. The seemor Lizzie La steps barefoot into

535
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Speaker 1: sticky molasses on the floor was shot about a dozen

536
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Speaker 1: times because the crew felt that it wasn't sticking between

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Speaker 1: her toes correctly. Twelve times was Quintantino doing close ups

538
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Speaker 1: on this day. He's not like a pederask though, He's

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Speaker 1: just a foot guy with the weird racial stuff Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of enough though, right probably, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I asking with a thermit about like, oh God hurting

542
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: her neck and uh, to kill bills. Yeah. The owners

543
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Speaker 1: of the camp, known as the Marva's, Marva Culp and

544
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Speaker 1: her daughter Marva Culp Jr. Get caught in the cross

545
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Speaker 1: fire and have liquid chocolate dumped on their heads. This

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00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: was in fact actual chocolate. In the Bustle oral history,

547
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: they talked about being driven from the set in an

548
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Speaker 1: open air golf card. After filming the scene, they said,

549
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: with the air blowing on us, the chocolate hardened, so

550
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: by the time we got to the showers, we were

551
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: like chocolate bunnies. We had to move our looms and

552
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: cracked the chocolate off. And funnily enough, the younger Marva

553
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: is played by Maggie Wheeler, who played the character Janice

554
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: on the show Friends, which coincidentally is one of Lindsay

555
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Lahan's favorite shows at the time, and she actually met

556
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Matt LeBlanc while filming The Parent Trap and talks about

557
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: it in the making of behind the scenes feature it

558
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: And it's so cute. You can tell she like, really

559
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: likes him, and she's really shy about it. She was

560
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: there asking her about him, and he was She was like,

561
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: he was cool, and it's just really it's cute. It's

562
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: on YouTube. You should watch the behind the scenes. Well

563
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: not you specifically, but uh, Lindsay had to wear a

564
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: needle in her hair to ensure that the water balloon

565
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: placed above her bed popped when she stood up. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of needles, this brings us, unfortunately, to the ear

567
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: piercing scene. Just the thought of it makes me gag.

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00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: This is after Annie and Hallie discover that they are

569
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: in fact twins and hatch their schemes switch places, which

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00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: requires Annie to have her ears pierced. Lizzie Lohan had

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Speaker 1: her ears pierced for this movie for real. Hopefully it

572
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the way that they do it in the film,

573
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: alone in their camp cabin with a needle and a

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Speaker 1: piece of ice and if every call piece of apple

575
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: on the other side of the lobe. Oh god, um.

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00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I haven't watched that scene with my eyes open since

577
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw the movie in theaters and

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00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Identity eight, so I might be getting this wrong. The

579
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: scene was ultimately cut from both the UK release and

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the Disney Channel broadcast because they were worried about triggering

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Speaker 1: a rash of unsupervised, underaged ear piercings. Do you have

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00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: an ear piers No, I'm just trying to. There's a

583
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: throwaway line in The Simpsons at one point where they're like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's when Lisa Coudro's their guest star and

585
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: she's like the cool girl comes in, like takes over

586
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Lisa's friend group, and they're like, she's like, you pierce

587
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: their ears in the bathroom, and and the Lisa Coudra goes, yeah,

588
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: it's easy. All you need a thumbtock and a whole

589
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: lot of paper towels. I know, so I can't I

590
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: can't handle. In an early draft of the scene, Hallie

591
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: passes out after sticking the needle through Annie's ears, and

592
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: she has to be slapped awake by any who says

593
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: that she's got to do the other one because you

594
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: can't go through life with just one pierced deer. Uh here,

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: speaking of gross bodily operations, this will interest you. In

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, after she had her appendix taken out,

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00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan was reportedly so scared that it would end

598
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: up being sold on eBay that she asked her doctors

599
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: if she could take her her appendix hall and put

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Speaker 1: it in her fridge. I mean, that's a valid fear. Sadly,

601
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: I think when the Ringo star had his tonsils out

602
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: at the height of Beatlemania, they like personally oversaw that

603
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: it was like destroyed in the incinerator for the same concern.

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00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: So that was the year that she was in. Uh,

605
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: I know who killed me and Georgia rule so and

606
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are really battling over her. Yeah. Sorry,

607
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: So let's get onto a lighter topic before I pass

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Speaker 1: out the topic of oreos. As Annie and Halley begin

609
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: to bond in their isolation cabin when they've been placed

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: for their vicious prank wars in order to have them

611
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: hash out their differences, one of the many things they

612
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: realized they have in common acipe from the fact that

613
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Speaker 1: they look exactly the same, is that they both like

614
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: to put peanut butter on oreos, thus sparkling in apparent

615
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: craze among millennials to try that combo. I never did, um,

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00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: I said, because whips I did that before this movie.

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Speaker 1: We got it somehow from my family. Must have been

618
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: some Yeah, dude, Wow, okay, I'd never heard of it,

619
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: never tried it after I saw this movie. But a

620
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: journalist for Hello Giggles was profoundly affected by this scene

621
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: and eight oreos This Way with Peanut Butter for decades,

622
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and when the twenty anniversary of the parent track came up,

623
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: she tracked down Nancy Meyers, the writer and director, and

624
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: asked her where the idea came from. And Nancy Meyer's

625
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: response was, I forgot I even wrote that I have

626
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: no idea where I came up with it. I think

627
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: it was just something weird that both girls would like.

628
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: It was another example of the fact that there were twins.

629
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Speaker 1: I'm it it up for no reason other than it

630
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: sounded weird and some cute kid would do it. I

631
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: love this portrayalist seen like, in a minor way, a

632
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: profound effect on her life. And she tracked down this

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Speaker 1: woman in hope of getting an answer of like the

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00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: meaning of this culinary decision in this movie, and Nancy

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: Myers was just like, Nope, can't help you. Maybe I

636
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Speaker 1: Mandela the fact this I I maybe she did make

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Speaker 1: it up and we only did it after that. I

638
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it seems like it can't possibly

639
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: been invented eighty six years eighties, six years after the

640
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of it, and I know all sorts

641
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: of weird regional Alright, alright, it's fine anyway. All this

642
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: talk of oreos leads us to eggs. Well, you've had

643
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: oreos and hard boiled eggs. How's that for a segue,

644
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: your rubes. This leads us to the Easter eggs in

645
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: version of the parent trap that paid tribute to the

646
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: one original. Perhaps the least memorable or impressive is the

647
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: fact that both movies feature Nibisco product placement in a

648
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: crucial scene where the twins begin to set aside their

649
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: differences in bond. In the new movie, it's the oreo

650
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: and peanut butter, and in the original they share fig Newton,

651
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: one of the worst cookies in the world and a

652
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: sin against God and man alike. But moving down, perhaps

653
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: the biggest and best throwback to the original is that

654
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: they got the woman who played the evil girlfriend from

655
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: the first movie, Vicky, to come back and make a

656
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: cameo as the mother of Dennis Quaid's evil girlfriend, Meredith Blake.

657
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: She even tells the girls, you can call me Aunt

658
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Vicky Joanna Barnes was that actress's name, and she was.

659
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: You think she's the only actor from the original to

660
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: appear in the ninety eight remain I believe so, yeah,

661
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure all here, but well. They reportedly reached out

662
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: to Haley Mills to see if she was interested, but

663
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: she declined because supposedly she was starting in a touring

664
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: production of The King and I opposite Yule Brenner. What

665
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: was he doing? He was dead. That was after his

666
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: like ladies and gentlemen, the late Yell Brenner a commercial thing.

667
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: In another scene, Holly can be heard singing a brief

668
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: snippet of the song Let's Get Together as she walked

669
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: into an elevator before she meets Meredith for the first time.

670
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: The song was originally performed by the Twins in the

671
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one version, and clearly she is singing just

672
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: enough to not have to pay royalties on it. Uh.

673
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: During the pool scene where Annie meets the evil Meredith,

674
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Meredith is on the phone with Reverend Moseby, who was

675
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: a character in the nineteen sixty one film, and speaking

676
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: of the hotel. In the pool scene. This whole thing

677
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: goes down at the Stafford Hotel, which is a place

678
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: where Annie and Halley's parents have their inadvertent reunion. The

679
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Stafford Hotel is named after a boy in the nineteen

680
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: sixty one version who takes Susan to the camp dance

681
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the movie when she's still fighting

682
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: with the girl who's her long lost sister. It is

683
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: the scene where the back of her dress gets cut off,

684
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: which is just a cruel thing to do and does

685
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: not belong in a Disney movie. And speaking of the camp,

686
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the Marva's, the two camp

687
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: counselors who run the place. They're named Marva Colp Senior

688
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: And Marva Colp Jr. And they are named after the

689
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: character actress Nancy Coulp, who played the camp counselor back

690
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: in the nine films. Fans of the Beverly Hillbillies will

691
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: of course know her as Miss Jane Hathaway Mr. Jerry Stella,

692
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Banker's secretary. Also, there are bunkhouses called Arapahoe in both films.

693
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: When Halle is Any meets her English grandfather, she tells

694
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: him he smells of pipe, tobacco and peppermint. Haley says

695
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: the exact same thing to her long lost grandfather in

696
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: the original. And this is the weirdest one out of

697
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: all of these. Both movies are two hours and eight

698
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: minutes long. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

699
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: That's a hard thing to like arranged though. Right now,

700
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: there have been a number of real life instances of

701
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: long lost twins reuniting after years, and some of their

702
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: stories are almost as dramatic as the parent Trap. Actually,

703
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna amend that some of the stories are even

704
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: more dramatic than the parent Trap. So I'd like to

705
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: do a quick lightning round of some of the most

706
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: interesting in ascending order of crazy slash violation of human rights.

707
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Identical twins. Jim Lewis and Jim Springer were separated by

708
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: adoption at four weeks old in nineteen forty and reunited

709
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine. When they met, these two gyms

710
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: found the number of remarkable similarities. This is per New

711
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: York Times article by Edwin Chen. They both married and

712
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: divorced women named Linda. They both remarried women named Betty.

713
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Their first sons were both named James. Their son's middle

714
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: names were Alan, spelled differently but still both way to

715
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty pounds, Both worked in law enforcement,

716
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: Both smoked Salem cigarettes and drank Miller Lite, and both

717
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: bit their fingernails. They both enjoyed woodworking. They both suffered

718
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: from stress headaches. They both, as children owned a dog

719
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: that they named Toy. After reuniting, they became involved with

720
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart project, which eventually

721
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: morphed into the Minnesota Twin Family Study, which is reasonably famous,

722
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and the purpose of that study is to basically try

723
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: to answer the developmental question of whether nature or nurture

724
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: has a bigger effect on children. There's a similar, though

725
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: less dramatic, instance of two twins who spent four decades

726
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: apart being reunited in London in the late eighties. Both

727
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: dressed almost exactly the same, including wearing almost identical outfits

728
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the day they met. They both took their coffee the

729
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: same decorated their homes the same way, and both suffered

730
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: miscarriages that were followed by the births of two boys

731
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: and then one girl. They also laugh and fold their

732
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: arms in the same distinctive way, leading to their nick

733
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: name the Giggle Twins. I feel like that one could

734
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: have gone back to the drawing board a couple of times.

735
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Biggle twins, yeah yeah, uh, moving right along. A nice

736
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Boardier was a young woman raised in France and studying

737
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: in the UK, when one day in two thousand twelve,

738
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: a friend of hers tells her about American actress who

739
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: looks just like her. This actress's name is Samantha Futterman,

740
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: who was born in South Korea just like an Ace,

741
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: and adopted just like her. She watches these YouTube videos

742
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: with her and sees that they do look and speak

743
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: exactly the same, and they have the same birthday. This

744
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: French woman is sufficiently freaked out and sends this actress

745
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: a Facebook message. So I don't want to be too

746
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: lindsay low end, but uh well, how to put it?

747
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering where you were born. They have a

748
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: bunch of Skype calls and meet up in person in London,

749
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: and their similarities are, like the last example, pretty crazy.

750
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: They both hate cooked carrots. They I don't know why,

751
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: yeah they, but the two said they share almost everything

752
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: in common, from painting or not painting in their nails

753
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: at the same time and going to the hairdresser and

754
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: almost the same date. They ultimately did take a DNA

755
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: test that proved they're related, and an Ace told the

756
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Guardian in we are so similar. She reacts to things

757
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: the same way I do. We're both awkward and have

758
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: the same strange sense of humor. She doesn't have to

759
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: explain herself to me, and she understands me perfectly too, Jordan,

760
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: they're talking about us. Their experience formed the basis of

761
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: the two thousand fourteen book Separated at Birth, a true

762
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: love story of twin sisters Reunited, and a two thousand

763
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: fifteen documentary Twinsters. Imagine if just like I sent you

764
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: a YouTube clip of somebody who was your long lost

765
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 1: twin just being interviewed, like how nuts with that? I'd

766
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: have to kill him. That's the difference between men and women,

767
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: which you give you give it a thumbs down on YouTube.

768
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: That's the different stream men and women is that you

769
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: see an opportunity, only they see an opportunity to bond.

770
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: We have to get rid of the competition. That's my

771
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: it's my my men's rights spiel for this episode. That's

772
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: why men different. A few years back, in eighteen, there

773
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: was a documentary called Three Identical Strangers, which follow the

774
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: story of triplet brothers. Triplet brothers who were separated at

775
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: birth in nineteen sixty one, apparently as some sort of

776
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: sinister nature versus nurture psych program study, and they were

777
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: placed in three separate socio economic households on purpose. Over

778
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: the course of their lives, they were visited by researchers

779
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: posing as adoption agency officials to check in with them

780
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: for their study, but they were never told about this

781
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: experiment or about each other. Then, when they were all nineteen,

782
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the three enrolled in college, where he soon

783
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: came face to face with his own face. He met

784
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: one of his brothers, and they quickly realized they were

785
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: long lost twins, and the story got news coverage, which

786
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: then led the third brother to get in contact with

787
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: them when they saw him on the news. Desprite growing

788
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: up in three different households, the similarities were jaw dropping.

789
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: As Kevin Fallon writes and The Daily Beast, they shared

790
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: the exact same mannerisms, even sitting the same way. They

791
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: were all wrestlers, like the same colors, had the same

792
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: taste and older women, and even bought the same brand

793
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: of cigarettes. Uh. It does have a sad ending However,

794
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: I believe one of the brothers died by suicide in

795
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: the two thousands, and the remaining two brothers have been

796
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: staunch opponents of these kind of experiments ever since. Um

797
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Because of this resulting controversy in New York State changed

798
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: its loss required twins to be raised by the same family,

799
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: and the results of the study that they were apparently

800
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: a part of, have been embargoed until six. Good lord,

801
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: that is grim. Yeah. Oh this is my favorite. I

802
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: love this one. But this is better trend we're trending

803
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: back off the were okay, no, you know the trending. Yeah.

804
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: They these get crazier in increasing order of these still

805
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: still get crazier. Tremendous. Uh. This one's out of Columbia,

806
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: dates back to June of two thousand fifteen, involving two

807
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: sets of identical twins that were born in nineteen eighty seven.

808
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: The hospital made a mistake and switched two of the brothers,

809
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: so each family went home with only one of their

810
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: actual children. Instead of having two sets of identical twins,

811
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: they were raised as two sets of fraternal twins, which

812
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: are the twins that don't look alike. They all lived

813
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: near one another in the city of Pagoda, but didn't

814
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: know about one another until when they were twenty five

815
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: years old, and when apparently the friend of one set

816
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: of brothers had seen the other set out and about. Um.

817
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: I guess they worked out like a butcher shop or something.

818
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. So finally, all four of them meet

819
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: up in the town square one night for the very

820
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: first time, and one of them later told the BBC

821
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: of this first meeting, I was scared because there were

822
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: two people who looked exactly like my brother and me,

823
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: but at the same time I didn't know who they were.

824
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: That's a very on the nose and accurate quote of

825
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: what that would be like. Um. The story is chronicle

826
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: the New York Times magazine story The Mixed Up Brothers

827
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: of Bogota, and uh the new book co authored by

828
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: psychologist Nancy Segel, Accidental Brothers, the story of twins exchanged

829
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: at birth and the power of nature and nurture. Isn't

830
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: that crazy? Yeah? I have, I have. I I have

831
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: reason to believe those men were all prepared to fight

832
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it sounds square at night. Yeah,

833
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: this gets back to what you're saying earlier. If what

834
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: do you do if you see like your doppelganger out

835
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: at night, I'm immediately going to a body snatcher scenario

836
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: more than like a whimsical long lost twin, your doppelganger

837
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: and your brother's doppelganger. Yeah, that's that's when it tips

838
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: into like body snatcher's territory. Just like what government experiment wrought.

839
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: This turns out not an experiment at all, just garden

840
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: variety and competence. The New York it's a sinister sinister

841
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: machinations to uh to just ruin a set of triplets lives.

842
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: And in Comelombia it's just a plain old brain fart

843
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: on the job. God love him. And finally, you know

844
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: that thing about how people are supposed to be attracted

845
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: to people who sort of look like themselves, uh, buckle up.

846
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: In two thousand eight, a pair of separated twins in

847
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: England discovered that they had unwittingly married each other. Each

848
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: obviously had no idea that they had a twin. The

849
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: marriage was annulled and their identities have never been made public.

850
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: The story only came to light when an English member

851
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: of parliament revealed it without using their names to show

852
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the need for greater transparency and adoptions and more genetic

853
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: information on birth certificates. It seems like a good goal

854
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: advocate for after that, I'm eating the quiet part loud.

855
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: But like they had sex with each other? Right? Well? Yeah, yeah,

856
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: they were married for like presumably a decent amount of time.

857
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Do they have kids? That's gotta be sealed that I

858
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, we'll never know. Oh man, it's gonna

859
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: bother you. I know. It is the Parent Trap. Four

860
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: good secret of the O. You keep that one or

861
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm quitting the show. That is your new high water mark.

862
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

863
00:48:48,880 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment. Well,

864
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: we should talk about the titular parents in The Parent Trap,

865
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Elizabeth James and Nick Parker. They get married on the

866
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: q E two Ocean Liner. The person performing the ceremony

867
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: is actually the film's director, photographer, Dean Kundy. Your Boy.

868
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: The marriage form that you can see if you pause

869
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the movie says that they're married on either January eighth

870
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: or June eight. I think January night six. And the

871
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: truly disturbing part is that if you look at this

872
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: marriage certificate, you see that Nick is twenty four years

873
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: old and Elizabeth this twenty three, which means that when

874
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: the movie takes place twelve years later, they're just thirty

875
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: six and thirty five. Or in other words, our age

876
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: the parents from the parents trap are our age that

877
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: is terrifying. Uh. The wine that they're given for their

878
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: wedding on the boat, the where the dreams have no

879
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: end Chardonnay, which Nick supposedly buys every last bottle of

880
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: because he's an old sentimental so and so like, that

881
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: is actually a real brand that costs about seventy dollars

882
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: a bottle wasn't made until seven though you're after their

883
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: alleged wedding. Elizabeth James is played by the late great

884
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson, who has a funny connection to the movie.

885
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: I knew her as being a member of the famous

886
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: red Grave acting family. Her mother, Vanessa red Gray, was

887
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: an all sorts of big sixties movies like Blow Up

888
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: in Camelot with Richard Harris, but her father was Tony Richardson,

889
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: who won an Oscar for directing the movie Tom Jones

890
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four with Albert Finney in his house.

891
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: In real life was on the same street where Natasha

892
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Richardson's character lived in the parent trap Edgerton terroris weird.

893
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: It's in a very upscale part of London called knights Bridge.

894
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: According to Time Out, London Edgerton Terrorists Britain's was Britain's

895
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: most expensive street at the time the film was shot in.

896
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: The house used as a location for the movie is

897
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: now worth upwards of nineteen and a half million pounds

898
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: were almost twenty million dollars uh. Natasha Richardson's character is

899
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: a wedding dress designer, but in real life the dresses

900
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: used in the movie were designed by Vera Wang. Given

901
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: that this was all a you know in the Disney universe,

902
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: it was surprising to some fans to see Natasha Richardson's

903
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: character getting deliberately drunk and smoking. The last Disney produced

904
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: movies to include Smoking Imagery where ant Man and Iron

905
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Man three, both of which were released in and Now.

906
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I think they have some kind of a mandate against

907
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: showing smoking and Disney movies, which makes sense. Lisa and Walter,

908
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: who played Chessie, later told The Today Show if you

909
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: walked by Natasha's trailer, she would swing the door open

910
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: and if it was the evening, should have a glass

911
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: of wine and say come on in for a gossip,

912
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: and she'd get you to come into her trailer and

913
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: hang out. She was the sweetest, kindest person. Unfortunately, sadly, tragically,

914
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson died in March of two thousand nine of

915
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: an epidural hematoma sustained while taking ski lessons. She basically

916
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: hit her head during a big in her lesson on

917
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: the Bunny Slope, and at first she refused any medical help,

918
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: but complained of a severe headache about two hours after

919
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: the accident and she was met of act to Lenox

920
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Hill Hospitals in New York City, where she died two

921
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: days later. Truly horrifying uh. She left behind her husband,

922
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: Liam Neeson, which makes his sad role as the single

923
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: dad and love actually so much sadder, and her two boys,

924
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: who were twelve and thirteen. One of them, Michael, adopted

925
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson's last name and twenty nineteen and tribute tour.

926
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: In the interview he gave to the u K's The

927
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: Times a few years back, he talked about watching some

928
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: of her old movies, especially The Parent Trap, as a

929
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: way to remember her. Um. Moving on to the dad,

930
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid nearly did not get this part. He plays

931
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: a part of Nick Parker, the dad uh stepping into

932
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: the shoes of Brian Keith played the dad in the

933
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: original one, who uh coincidentally or perhaps not uh died

934
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: of a self inflicted gunshot wound just as the parent

935
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Trap reboot was beginning to shoot his parents. Trap co

936
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: star Marin O'Hara, however, believes it was an accident while

937
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: he was cleaning his gun collection. Anyway, many many actors

938
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: were considered for this part. David Hasselhoff, Richard Gere, Jeff Bridges,

939
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell, Patrick Swayze, Pierce Broston, Bill Murray, Harrison Ford,

940
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels, Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, Kevin Costner, John Travolta,

941
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson, Bill Paxston, Aston My money's on Paxton, Michael Keaton,

942
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey. He would have been huge at the time,

943
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: but god, can you imagine mugging his way through this movie.

944
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler and Robin Williams all reportedly considered for this role. Um,

945
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised my boy, Bill Bill Paxiston didn't. Yeah,

946
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I know, Wait, Paxixton or Pullman. I saw Paxton, I

947
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: thought Pullman would be in the running, considering endeavor. He's done,

948
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: he's done enough of the Independence Day hadn't come on. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, fine,

949
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: feedback accepted. Um, So they went with Diet Harrison Ford.

950
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: They went with Dennis Quaid. Uh, sorry for costing us

951
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: the crucial Dennis quaidh fan base for his role. Dennis

952
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Quaid pays tribute to not just the original Parent Trap,

953
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: but also a few other old school Hollywood movies. Uh.

954
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: The moment when he sees his ex wife Elizabeth for

955
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: the first time in eleven years is identical to a

956
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: scene in the vie My Favorite Wife when Carrie Grant

957
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: sees his wife would gone missing at sea and he

958
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: had long assumed she was dead. Both men are an

959
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: elevator with their current partner, and then as the door closes,

960
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: they see their ex in the lobby and they lean

961
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: to look through the crack in the door as it

962
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: gets smaller and smaller before they almost fall over. James

963
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Garner does the exact same thing in the nineteen three

964
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: movie move Over Darling, which is a remake of My

965
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: Favorite Wife. His character is also named Nick, but Dennis

966
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Quaid does a care grant impression in the following in

967
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: the scene following the camping trip with Meredith Blake, which

968
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: is also a nod to My Favorite Wife Weird Weird

969
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: series of movies about dead wives Dead. In two thousand seven,

970
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid actually became the father of two twin boys

971
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: with his wife Kimberly, and in the film, Quaid's character

972
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: Nick is engaged to twenty six year old Meredith Blake,

973
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: and in real life he married his fourth wife when

974
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: she was twenty six years old. As a result, co

975
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: star Elaine Hendrix, who played Blake in The Parent Trap, tweeted,

976
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: better watch out for those twins. Well, folks, we can't

977
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: put it off any longer. We have to talk about

978
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: the evil Meredith Blake. Her name was chosen, I guess

979
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: in reference to a character and I got the Christie

980
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: short story Five Little Pigs. Actress Elaine Hendrix impressed very

981
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: early on during cast thing when she walked into the

982
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: audition basically looking camera ready in a glamorous outfit that

983
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: apparently made Dennis Quaid, who was already cast and there

984
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: to read size, turned to the casting director and mouth.

985
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So she got the role pretty quickly,

986
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: and the character's downfall comes during a camping trip with

987
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Nick and his twin girls, when they proceed to make

988
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: her life a living hell because she's not really uh

989
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't really like the outdoors much. But in truth,

990
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: actress Elaine Hendrix is very different, she told the Today Show.

991
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: In real life, I'm a total outdoorsy girl. I grew

992
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: up in East Tennessee and the foothills of the Smokey Mountains,

993
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: so I love camping. I love animals. If a lizard

994
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: crawled on my head, I would be thrilled. So all

995
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: of that was actually acting for me. I had to

996
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: act like I was having trouble walking down a log.

997
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I had to act like the backpack was heavy. I

998
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: had to act like, oh, this is so hard going

999
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: over the rocks. No, it was all easy. And she's

1000
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: referring to the famous scene when a lizard jumps on

1001
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: her head and crawls into her mouth, which is so

1002
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: so gross. Uh. The effect was achieved by using three

1003
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: different kinds of lizards, but Elaine Hendrix has been pretty

1004
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: coy about how they pulled it off. She told Bustle,

1005
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: when I was filming. I was sworn to secrecy. I

1006
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: just tell people, listen, it's movie magic. There was a

1007
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: real one, a fake one, and a computer generated one

1008
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: in there too. Go back and watch and see what

1009
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: you can figure out. And uh, I don't know. You

1010
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: think she'd be willing to share and win people over

1011
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 1: because people hate her her role in this movie. Uh yeah,

1012
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: for a while she was bummed out. She said, there

1013
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: was a while there when I got frustrated that it

1014
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: followed me, meaning this character. But I made peace with it,

1015
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: and now I've so embraced it because it's just so fun,

1016
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: and especially now after playing all different types of characters,

1017
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: being the villain is really the most fun to do.

1018
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: And there was some viral tweet a few years ago

1019
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: or someone posted a picture of her character and wrote,

1020
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: kids today will never know how much we hated this woman.

1021
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: And I guess she saw the tweet and responded by saying,

1022
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I will ship every one of you brats off to Switzerland,

1023
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: which is her line in the movie, and that went

1024
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: insanely viral, which is cute. And her friend, her best friend,

1025
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: apparently Lisa and Walter, who played CHESSI in the movie,

1026
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: said now, girls from the connection this is this is

1027
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: kind of mean. Now, girls from the Kardashian generation are like, girl,

1028
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: I hated you when I was young, but now I

1029
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: see you were just trying to land the bag and

1030
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: those kids ruined it. So now she's a role model.

1031
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: I enjoyed. I enjoyed that reading. Yeah, yeah, Lisa, I'm

1032
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: Walter's hilarious. Um. I just love that they're friends. Now.

1033
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I love the Chessie and Meredith Blake her best friends.

1034
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: They met on the movie during all that downtime, and

1035
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: now they're still tight to this day. And now we

1036
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: got to talk yes, CHESSI, Yeah, Now we gotta talk

1037
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: about arguably the coolest character in this movie, Jessie the Housekeeper. Ah,

1038
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: you thought she was named Jesse though until researching this podcast,

1039
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: apparently she did too. Uh yeah, Lisa and Walters agreed

1040
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: with you. She's quoted as saying, I didn't know it

1041
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: was CHESSI the first time. It totally sounds like Jesse,

1042
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: and I had to say to the team, what the

1043
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: hell is a Chessie? I don't understand Chessie. There's nobody

1044
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 1: named Chessie. It's not short for anything. Apparently it's short

1045
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: for something. It's Nancy Meyer's interior decorator friend Chess Chess Chessica,

1046
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: Chess tain, chess chesstore, Chester at a chess tera um

1047
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: Chesterica ches terical pregnancy. UM. She's the best character in

1048
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: this movie because she's one of the only people who

1049
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: knows what's going on at all times. She's one of

1050
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: the first people to figure out what's going on with

1051
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: the Twin fairest people to figure out that they've switched places,

1052
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: and there's a very emotional scene where it finally dawns

1053
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: on her that she's in the presence of this long

1054
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: lost little girl she hadn't seen in a decade. This

1055
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: took several days to film, and by one reported figure

1056
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: seventy three takes. Those are Kubrick numbers, UM and the

1057
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: say Walter was getting really upset that she was nailing it.

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Speaker 1: She basically started questioning all of her professional choices up

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Speaker 1: until that point. She told Bustle, about halfway through all

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01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: those takes, people were giving me different directions. I started

1061
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: to question what I was doing and thought, oh my god,

1062
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm messing this up. Maybe I'm doing the wrong thing,

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01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I sucked, Maybe I'm a terrible actress. Maybe I'm

1064
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: just awful. But then she said, when she took a

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01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: break from doing the scene, Dennis Quaid put his hands

1066
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: down on either side of me, put his forehead against

1067
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: mine and said, I think the work you're doing is magnificent.

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: And I burst into tears. It's just little things like that.

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: I'll never forget how that made me feel. And it

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: probably also helped that she had a big crush on

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: Dennis uh saying again to bustle my whole life. I

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: adored Dennis Quaid like from the Big Easy era, not

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: just adored, had a stupid, ridiculous crush on. I didn't

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: know how I was going to get through an audition

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: and not be shaking, but he was super charming and

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: put me at ease. Now we talked about how Dennis

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Quaid sort of became his character by marrying a woman

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: who who's the same age as Meredith Blake, and then

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: she had twins. Fine, but Lisa and Walter's fate was

1080
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: much crazier. Two years after the release of The Parent Trap,

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01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: she gave birth to identical twins born on October eleventh,

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Halle and Annie's birthday. Sadly, they were boys and not girls,

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01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: so the prophecy remains unfulfilled. Um but after their birth.

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: I know I wrote that funny you're coming from you

1085
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: after their birth? I guess she joking. The accused Nancy

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: Myers of putting a weird would you on me? Um? Woman?

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Seems great? You go ahead, you take us out on

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01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: this fact. Yeah. I just she published a memoir inn

1089
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: called the best thing about My ass is that it's

1090
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: behind me. Tremendous, tremendous title. We can't talk about Chessie

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: without talking about her British counterpart and love interest. And

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01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: he's beloved Butler Martin. He's played by the actor. Oh uh,

1093
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: Simon k u n z. I gotta be very careful.

1094
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: I pronounced that Simon Kuns. Yes, I'll go with that.

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: Cons Simon Kuns, who originally auditioned for a much smaller

1096
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: one line role as a photographer and Elizabeth James's Bridal

1097
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: Gown studio. But after auditioning, Nancy Meyer said, what does

1098
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: another probably want you to take a look at and

1099
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: handed him a script and he basically said sure whatever

1100
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: on the spot and went down to a coffee shop

1101
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: to read it over and realized that it was a

1102
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: much bigger part uh Martin's crowning achievement in this movie

1103
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: comes with the secret handshake that he and Annie do,

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01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: which becomes a crucial part and now Annie teaches Hallie

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01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: how to become her. Instead of hiring a choreographer for

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: the scene, Simon Kuns and Lindsay Lohan worked out the

1107
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: eighteen move gesture, shake, whatever you wanna call it on

1108
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: their own. Cons told Bustle the first time Lindsay and

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I met up, we worked on the handshake idea about

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01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: what it could be. I think I've done something in

1111
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: the audition just mucking about without Lindsay. They're just doing

1112
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: silly moves. They liked a few of those, and so

1113
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: we basically then an afternoon, three or four hours really

1114
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: just working at that routine. And he says that he's

1115
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: forgotten most of it, but he insists that given about

1116
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: twenty minutes to so to brush up on it, he'd

1117
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: still have a down pat twenty something years later. I

1118
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: never tried any of that trail to learn any of those.

1119
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't have the short term memory for it. I

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01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: don't I don't have the coordination for it. There's a

1121
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: fun little easter egg in this with the song that

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01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: plays whenever they do that handshake. It's an instrumental track

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: called Soulful Strut, big hit for the group Young Holt

1124
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: Unlimited back In, But the song is actually just the

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: backing track from another song by Barbara Acklan called am

1126
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: I the Same Girl, where they just pulled her vocal

1127
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: track from it and released it as an instrumental single

1128
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: with a piano solo on it under a different title. God,

1129
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: the mid century music industry was just the best. Um, Yeah,

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why that this day. I

1131
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: don't know why that happened the music industry. What do

1132
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: they say, as highest Thompson say, a cruel and shallow

1133
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: trench where good men die like dogs and the rats

1134
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: get fat. And there's also on a negative side anyway. Yeah,

1135
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: And so it's a bit of an in universe easter

1136
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: egg because there's a song called am I the Same

1137
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: Girl playing at a crucial point in the Parrot Trap

1138
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: when this the whole thing about the same girl the

1139
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: time with this somebody issues not Yeah. The movie also

1140
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: opens with l O V E by Nat King Cole

1141
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: playing over the wedding and the Q E two ocean

1142
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: liner and closes with This Will Be and Everlasting Love

1143
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: by his daughter Natalie Cole during Nick and Elizabeth's second wedding,

1144
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: Just a cute little bookend and Jordan's take it Away,

1145
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: give us that Beatles reference that I know you have

1146
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: been clamoring to get to this son of a bitch.

1147
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself. I didn't shut out the

1148
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: Beatles connection to this movie. When Elizabeth takes Hallie as

1149
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Annie in disguise as Annie tour photography shoot, they walk

1150
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: across the crosswalk just like the Beatles did on the

1151
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: cover of Abbey Road while Here Comes the Sun plays.

1152
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: That's a song off Abbey Road that's actually shot at

1153
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: the same crosswalk, and they have cars the same type

1154
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: of cars parked in exactly the same way in the background.

1155
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: It's really spot on, and I've heard rumors of us

1156
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: the parent Trap was filming the scene at Abbey Road

1157
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: in London. Paul McCartney was in the studio like just

1158
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: out of camera shot, working on his newly composed symphonic

1159
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: poems Standing Stone prior to its premiere at the Royal

1160
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: Albert Hall. Did you know that Lindsey Lohan was on

1161
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: a late era Duran Duran album No she was on

1162
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: She was on the song Dance a Phobia on the

1163
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: album Paper Gods, which featured a speaking part from her

1164
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Is it is it good? No? Okay, not cool? I

1165
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: was about to have to reconsider some things there. There

1166
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: was another scene that was supposed to take place in

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: London after Hallie, as Annie arrives at Heathraw Airport and

1168
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: the limo takes her home to meet her mother. In

1169
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: the original cut, before they go home, they visit Buckingham Palace,

1170
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: where Lindsay Lohan's character messes with one of the palace

1171
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: car is, trying to get him to move, you know,

1172
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: they're instructed not to move a react. And while she's

1173
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: there messing with the guard, the gate at the palace

1174
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: opens and the Queen r I. P. Drives out and

1175
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: they have a quick conversation and it's actually really cute

1176
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: how he gets flustered and forgets the difference between your

1177
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: Highness and your majesty and she forgets the curtsy. But

1178
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: the Queen's very nice and tells her not to worry

1179
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: about it, that she wouldn't tell a soul. Uh. It

1180
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really translate well to be described, but it's adorable,

1181
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: and the funniest part is that the woman who plays

1182
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: the Queen basically made a career out of playing the

1183
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: Queen and comedies. Her name is Jeanette Charles and she

1184
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: turned years old a few weeks back. She played the

1185
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: Queen in seven movies, including this deleted scene in The

1186
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: Parent Trap, National Lampoon's European Vacation, Austin Powers, Gold Member,

1187
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: Naked Gun, and The Ruddles TV special, as well the

1188
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: episode of Saturday Night Live. That's an impressive run. They're

1189
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: playing the Queen for several decades. It's director Nansie Myers,

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: I guess went through hell and back trying to find

1191
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: the right person to play the Queen, the right uniforms

1192
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: for the guards, and a good location to shoot that

1193
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: resembled Buckingham Palace was obviously the royal family work and

1194
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: allow them to shoot there, But ultimately she cut the

1195
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: scene because she felt it slowed down the pacing of

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: the movie, which is fair. She'd come all that way

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01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: to see her mom for the first time since she

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: was a baby, and now she's taken a tourist pit

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: stop at Buckingham Palace for an irrelevant two minute sequence

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: that really wasn't all that funny, so yeah, good thing

1201
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: they cut it. There's also a lost ending to the movie,

1202
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: or at least a few lines of dialogue after their

1203
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 1: parents get back together at the end of the movie

1204
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: and everyone's about to live happily. Ever after, it occurs

1205
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: to both twins that they need to figure out where

1206
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: they're actually gonna live. Halle turns to Annie and says,

1207
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna love living in California, and surprised,

1208
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: Annie replies, California, You guys are gonna love living in London.

1209
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: And then camera pans off show the front yard, whether

1210
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: dogs Sammy is barking at a neighborhood poodle, Chessie and

1211
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: Martin kiss, and everyone has a partner, I guess, even

1212
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: the dog. And lastly it was added to the Library

1213
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: of Congress. National Wasn't Really No Parent? Trappers, released in

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01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: the United States on July, was a box office hit,

1215
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: grossing ninety two point one million against a fifteen million

1216
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: dollar budget. The film ranked second of the box office

1217
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: behind Saving Private Ryan received positive reviews from critics, with

1218
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: Lowen's performance in particular earning high praise. Film critic Kenneth

1219
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: Turan called her the soul of this film, as much

1220
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: as Hayley Mills wasn't the original, She's more adept than

1221
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: her predecessor here, creating two distinct personalities, and as of

1222
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Disney is reportedly considering rebooting The Parent Trap

1223
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: for its streaming service, Disney Plus, which is a um thing.

1224
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: But but who's gonna stop him? Because they've got all

1225
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: the marbles at this point, You're gonna do it. He's

1226
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: on must gonna buy Disney and do it. Nope, They're

1227
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: gonna do what they want and you can't stop them. Uh,

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: let's leave it there. You know, I'm hard pressed the

1229
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: name a more universally beloved remake and uh, hell you

1230
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: more universally beloved kids movie in general, beloved remake of

1231
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: a kid's movie. Please, there are better remakes. Name and

1232
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: beloved remake that the thing? Ah? Okay, name another one?

1233
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: The Departed? Oh okay, yeah, you gonna keep going? All right? Fine, Well,

1234
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: I'll give the last word to Lindsay Lohan, because damn it,

1235
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: she deserves it. She told Katie Kuric in The Parent

1236
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: Trap is beautiful, it's timeless, and it's special. It's really special.

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: I feel really blessed and really grateful to have been

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: a part of it. The Fly thanks for listening. Everybody,

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01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: tell them who you are. Alexago and I'm Short and

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Speaker 1: Runt Talk. We'll catch you next time. Too Much Information

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,519
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