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Speaker 1: Everybody's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. We

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Speaker 1: continue now what part two of our conversation with John

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Speaker 1: Norman right after these brief messages from our general sponsors.

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Speaker 1: The YouTube video I've seen a five minute YouTube video.

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Speaker 1: Who made that?

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Speaker 2: Actually? The Blood Center that I go to.

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Speaker 1: To give yous use an example of a guy that's

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Speaker 3: With Yeah, exactly, And I don't remember exactly. I had

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Speaker 3: been contacted before. I take that back years ago as

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Speaker 3: one of their campaigns. They said tell us your story

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Speaker 3: and this I'm like halfway through this journey now, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I've been telling.

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Speaker 2: Stories, so I'm going to tell you about me telling stories.

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Speaker 3: And I got contacted and they did a little blurb

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Speaker 3: you have to you have to be somebody like I'm

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Speaker 3: going to go to the Blood Center website today and

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Speaker 2: Look there's John Norman did day.

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Speaker 1: How many people are hanging around looking at the blood

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Speaker 3: Nothing against them because people do go there. But it

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Speaker 3: was nice to be featured a little bit. I got

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Speaker 3: The cool part it wasn't just for external they're using

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Speaker 3: all of their employees to remind them why they do

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Speaker 3: what they do. All those vampires got into one room

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Speaker 3: and watch the video about John Norman doing that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, wow, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That is cool. But here's the here's the thing, here's

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Speaker 1: the reason I asked. The very last three seconds, it

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Speaker 3: Counted it that way, and until you asked me that

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Speaker 1: What I guess that's the thing is do you have

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Speaker 3: And frankly, just after eight years you talk about commitment

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Speaker 1: the same people over and over again. Oh this is

444
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Speaker 1: there need to be enough people giving that you don't

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Speaker 1: know all of the people giving. So hopefully we can look.

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Speaker 1: If this conversation moves the needle just a little bit,

447
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Speaker 1: it's more life saved. And you are a beautiful example

448
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Speaker 1: of what we are trying to inspire people to do,

449
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Speaker 1: which is just give where you can. And you've turned

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Speaker 1: it into a passion and a story and everything else,

451
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Speaker 1: and that's awesome. But it's so easy give when you can.

452
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think the Red Cross receives

453
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Speaker 1: almost forty percent of the blood given.

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Speaker 2: Possible.

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Speaker 1: Not very hard to find the Red Cross, Nope, not

456
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Speaker 1: very hard to find a blood center. If somebody wants

457
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Speaker 1: to reach out to you and connect, let's best way

458
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Speaker 1: to get in touch with John.

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Speaker 3: You can DM me through Instagram or if you want

460
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Speaker 3: to just use a regular old email.

461
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Speaker 2: It's easy too.

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Speaker 3: So my email addresses John John at Portnorman's dot com.

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Speaker 3: Port like Port Washington Norman like my name, with an

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Speaker 3: s atdn dot com.

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Speaker 4: One thing that John and I talked about in advance

466
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Speaker 4: of the interview too is listeners can reach out and

467
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Speaker 4: share story ideas for him too. So people who are

468
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Speaker 4: going through cancer, habit cancer, people who have been beneficiaries

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Speaker 4: of blood products.

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Speaker 1: It could be great for Army members to share that

471
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Speaker 1: is a really good point. You have somebody dealing with

472
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Speaker 1: this right now, and you want to do one of

473
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Speaker 1: the three steps and honor them, do another one of

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Speaker 1: the three steps with and connect with John, and then

475
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Speaker 1: John will do one of the three steps and maybe

476
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Speaker 1: share their story.

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Speaker 3: Or hey, if you feel like doing just doing the

478
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Speaker 3: same thing I'm doing. Sitting there in your chair. You

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Speaker 3: got one arm free, you grab your phone and tell

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Speaker 3: your story or tell someone else.

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Speaker 1: And then you can somehow connect you to it. Absolutely,

482
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Speaker 1: you can share it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, and shread this around a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: One more thing before you wrap up your routine beforehand

486
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Speaker 4: is pretty funny.

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Speaker 3: So it has become a habit. And now it's also

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Speaker 3: a routine. It's always a Friday morning at six o'clock.

489
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Speaker 3: I've tried going in in the afternoons before, but as

490
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Speaker 3: it turns out, I'm a coffee addict, and I will

491
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Speaker 3: drink coffee all day. And you know, there's a problem

492
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Speaker 3: if you drink coffee all day and then you go

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Speaker 3: and sit in a chair and are expected to be

494
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Speaker 3: still for two hours, it doesn't work.

495
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Speaker 2: I'm overhydrated and I'm gonna need to pee well up

496
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Speaker 2: and it probably does jump.

497
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Speaker 1: A catheter.

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Speaker 3: They would offer one, I'm sure, but I'm not interested

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Speaker 3: in going there at One of the things that our

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Speaker 3: blood center used to do is it's similar to platelets.

501
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Speaker 3: It's called granulocyites, and it's these are not universal. There's

502
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Speaker 3: very specific to a person in the types of proteins

503
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Speaker 3: that they have in their blood. And I was asked, actually,

504
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Speaker 3: twin brother thing. They called me up and they said,

505
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Speaker 3: your brother sent us your way because we need somebody

506
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Speaker 3: with exactly your blood type in this protein combination to

507
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Speaker 3: donate granular sites for a cancer patient that is in

508
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Speaker 3: the hospital waiting for your granular.

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Speaker 2: Sites literally literally.

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Speaker 1: So it's one time where you knew exactly what you're

511
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Speaker 1: doing and exactly where it's going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and they were, they were they were

513
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Speaker 3: calling because this particular therapy that this is like a

514
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Speaker 3: last ditch effort when they get to the point where

515
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Speaker 3: they need granular sites like this. And they were lining

516
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Speaker 3: up not just me, but five or six other people

517
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Speaker 3: to donate every day for a five or six day period.

518
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Speaker 3: And for that one they literally told me, I don't

519
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Speaker 3: care if you have to beat you can, We'll get

520
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Speaker 3: you depends or something. But you're going to stay here

521
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Speaker 3: until we got everything that we need to get out

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Speaker 3: of you. And with with with platelet donations. If they

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Speaker 3: have trouble getting the needle in and it doesn't work,

524
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Speaker 3: then you just try again another day with the granular sites.

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Speaker 3: They're like, we'll keep sticking the needle in there until

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Speaker 3: we find the right spot. This arm doesn't work, we'll

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Speaker 3: use the other arm. If that doesn't work, well, pray

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Speaker 3: a leg or something.

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Speaker 1: And there's a person literally right there that if you

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Speaker 1: don't give they die.

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Speaker 3: Good chance of that, yep, because they they they line

532
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Speaker 3: you up and the striper're able to find out.

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Speaker 2: No, they for privacy.

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Speaker 3: But do you wonder I would love to meet a

535
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Speaker 3: recipient someday I have actually been not mine, I mean,

536
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Speaker 3: I've met all these other connections.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so it's it's pretty durrank.

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Speaker 1: Close to your morning routine, John, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sorry they eat so my morning routine now on Friday morning,

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Speaker 3: I get up at four point thirty.

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Speaker 2: I hit the snooze maybe once or twice.

542
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Speaker 3: I grab a shower, then I the blood center is

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Speaker 3: about a half an hour drive from my house.

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Speaker 2: I stop at McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: I always get a sausage McMuffin with egg and a

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Speaker 3: hash brown and a small coffee.

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Speaker 1: So clearly you don't have to eat healthy food to

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Speaker 1: give platelets.

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Speaker 2: Well, they do tell you to eat, but they don't

550
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Speaker 2: stay healthy.

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Speaker 3: And I'm figuring, you know, if I'm going to save

552
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Speaker 3: three lives today, I can have a sausage McMuffin.

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Speaker 1: I actually love it.

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Speaker 2: It's like five.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: The first thing they do when you get when you

557
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Speaker 3: get there, those they take your blood pressure and I'm like,

558
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Speaker 3: I often blame the hash brown because it's pretty salty

559
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Speaker 3: and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a health check basically every two weeks and

562
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Speaker 3: if I.

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Speaker 2: Can pass, and I'm like, yeah, so that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Then I go in and I mark the box it

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Speaker 3: says I've done this before.

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Speaker 1: And your twin brother doesn't confuse them, no.

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Speaker 2: And they so it is a health check. They'll do.

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Speaker 3: There's a questionnaire that you have to fill out so

570
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Speaker 3: that they can tell you whether you're eligible or and

571
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: it's fifty questions every time, and it's and you so

572
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Speaker 3: you notice this when you did your blood donation, right,

573
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Speaker 3: It's everything.

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Speaker 4: It's what John's getting at. As they ask your sexual history.

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Speaker 2: They questions, have you ever been paid to have sex?

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Speaker 3: Have you had sexual contact with I mean, it's probably

577
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Speaker 3: fifteen questions just about.

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Speaker 1: I think there's but it's I think there's time Lisa

579
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Speaker 1: would pay me not to have sex. If you want

580
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Speaker 1: to know the true that's an.

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Speaker 3: Add on question depending on how you answer the first one.

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Speaker 3: But it's because they want your your blood product to

583
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Speaker 3: be healthy for the recipient. Of course, it also gets tested,

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Speaker 3: so I figure I'll be the first to know if

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Speaker 3: I end up.

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Speaker 1: If you had up for something, you'll be the first

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else you want to coverage, John, Not that

589
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Speaker 2: I can think of.

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Speaker 3: The only the only thing that I was reviewing some

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Speaker 3: of my notes this morning.

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Speaker 2: That and I think I may.

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Speaker 3: Have mentioned this to you Alex later on after our

594
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Speaker 3: pre interview, was that my dad passed away from cancer

595
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, of youing Saracoma. My mother

596
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: in law died also. They both died at the age

597
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Speaker 3: sixty three. My mother in law died of cervical cancer.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't start this donation have it until twenty seventeen,

599
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: so was that thirteen player. I didn't start telling the

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Speaker 3: stories till after that, And I think that for me,

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Speaker 3: the reason I have this Beyond Grief book here too

602
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: is because it's a double whami sometimes. And I got

603
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Speaker 3: introduced to the grief community through the same habit by

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Speaker 3: meeting these two people, and.

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Speaker 2: It has allowed me to process.

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Speaker 3: Some of the grief of me losing Dad, and it's

607
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: allowed me to dig in a little bit deeper to

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Speaker 3: what he went through with the answer and what I

609
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: got out of being his son for sixty three years.

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00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: Sixty three years, I'm sixty nine, say I was born,

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00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, just for being his son. And as I

612
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: was reading through my notes of I did an Instagram

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Speaker 3: take over for a week where I shared about my dad.

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00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 3: This was in twenty twenty twenty, and that was so

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00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: cathartic for me. Part of it was about the cancer,

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Speaker 3: but part of it, part of it was about him

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Speaker 3: living life like Katie. He was the first example of

618
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Speaker 3: live life like Katie. Katie was a reminder for me.

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Speaker 3: They revisited this and got into these stories.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting the storytelling process that all this is

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Speaker 1: actually healing for survivors very much.

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Speaker 2: So it's healing for me.

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Speaker 3: I like you've said so many times in your guests too.

624
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: I get ten times as much out of this as

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Speaker 3: anything I'm giving. I mean, I'm donating my platelets, but

626
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: this is it's healing for me to tell somebody else's

627
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: story and to learn more about my dad, just because.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful side benefits of the whole gig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. You two, go give it a try.

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Speaker 1: That's it, John, Thanks for taking the time to come

631
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Speaker 1: down here and share your story. Thanks for what you're doing,

632
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing me, thanks for being an inspiration. And

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: I really hope, against hope that people listening to us

634
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: today will say, Okay, this is an easy one.

635
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, hope, So and let me know if

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Speaker 2: you do.

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00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to let John know. He'll tell your story.

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00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a pyramid that gets.

639
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: An email us and let us know, because who knows

640
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: who might read your name one time and Alex may

641
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: call you up and bother you. You never know. Thanks

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00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: for being here, buddy, Thank you appreciate it, and thank

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00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: you for joining us this week. If John Norman has

644
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: inspired you in general, or better yet, to take action

645
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: by donating blood, platelets or something else entirely, please let

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00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: me know because I am really interested in seeing if

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Speaker 1: our country can move the needle beyond three pitiful percent.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about it. If you donate blood,

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00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: or patments, plasmo or any of it, let me know

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00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: we got to do better. You could write me anytime

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Speaker 1: at bill at normalfolks dot us, and I promise I

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Speaker 1: things that will help us grow an army of normal folks.

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