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Hi there, Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:58.520 I'm your host, Joe, joined as always by Devin and Steve, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.840 and this week we're going to talk about another fantastic mystery. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.680 We're gonna talk about the mysterious case of Jerry Michael 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.679 Williams of Tallahassee, Florida, known to his family and friends 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:15.280 as Mike. We are going to call him the subject here. Okay, fine, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.520 we'll call him Mike. Mike was thirty one years old 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.399 one he was last seen. He'd been married to his wife, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.800 Denise for about six years. They had a one year 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.080 old daughter. Yeah I know. And oh, by the way, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:28.720 I want to give a shout out to Renee who 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.319 suggested this. Renee, if you're still out there. She suggested 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:37.200 this back in so it's been a while, thanks to day. Yeah, okay, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.560 we have suggestions from way earlier than that, so we 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.280 just thought we would let this one just sort of 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.920 ripen for a while. Yeah. Well, back to Mike. Mike 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.120 was a real estate appraiser. He was known to be 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.800 a very hard worker, made really good money. Um. He 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.080 and his wife Denise had bought a very nice, upscale 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.160 house in East Tallahassee, which I guess a better part 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.000 of town. I don't know, I've never been there. Uh. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.880 Being responsible parents, they took out a life insurance policy 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.400 on Mike for a million bucks. And is that when 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.600 they that is, when they took out the life insurance 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.880 policy was after their daughter was born, I believe so. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.440 it was not not too long after that. Yeah, that's 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.640 That's often when people start thinking about stuff like that 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.919 when they're either about to have advocated or just had 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.160 a kid. Yeah. I'm thinking about it as I'm about 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.960 to get married, mostly because I definitely plan on murdering 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:32.320 him exactly. Get more on him. Yeah, yeah, Australian honeymoon. Yeah. Oh, 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.839 back to our story. The insurance broker in this case 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.280 was a guy named Brian Winchester who was a good 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.680 friend of Mike's actually apparently some sort of childhood appointed 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.840 of his wife's, but they had become somehow good friends. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.239 Brian Winchester, by the way, is now in prison, but 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.800 that's a whole different story. Is he related to of 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.160 Winchester fame? I do not know that is I don't know. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.480 So have we not covered this story before, because this 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.040 one sounds really really familiar to me. No, I don't 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.640 think I don't think so. Now it's kind of similar 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.320 to some of the other disappearance stories. Okay, that's all right, 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:12.600 It sounds really really familiar, but okay, keep going. Okay, uh, well, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.320 back to Mike. He was kind of into duck hunting 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:20.040 and sometimes yeah, yeah, no different one real duck. Yeah, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.200 they're actually people who still do that. It's called analog 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:27.959 duck hunting, and so sometimes, yeah, you take your analog shotgun, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.680 which is made of steel and not plastic, and uh yeah, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.720 you go out to the lake and hide until the 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.280 ducks show up and then bluie. I guess The nice 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.280 thing is, though, when analog duck hunting, the dog doesn't 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.640 laugh at you when you miss. So okay. And also 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.840 in the ideal you don't shoot the dog. You can 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.960 you shoot the dog and duck hunting, I've not done 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.480 the stopped him from laughing, Yeah, oh I see. Yeah, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.520 your dog is laughing at you for sure, but you 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.880 know you don't hear it. Yeah. Yeah. And also don't 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.520 shoot him, yeah, don't. Don't shoot your dog. They will 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:03.640 shoot back. Now. But on the let's go back to 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.480 our story. In December sixteen, the two thousand Mike left 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.520 the house early to go hunting, and he never returned. Eventually, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.680 his boat was found abandoned on Lake Seminole, which is 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.280 a huge reservoir about forty miles northwest of Tallahassee, up 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.800 in the Georgia border, so where it's kind of you 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.520 can find it on the on the maps pretty easy. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.520 It's where these two large rivers come together and they've 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.240 damned it there. So it's this gigantic V shaped lake 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.360 that's got like almost four hundred miles of coastline. It's 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.839 a big, big lake. And was that a typical place 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.760 for him to go duck hunting that? I don't know. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.240 I don't know where his favorite duck hunting spots are. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.160 I don't know why he picked that particular spot, because 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.000 I mean, there are other decent sized lakes near to Tallahassee. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.520 But you know, maybe the duck hunting was just especially 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.599 good up there or something. Yeah, But anyway, the boat 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.320 was found abandoned, Mike was nowhere to be seen, dead 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.800 or alive, and so there was a general assumption by 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.920 the police that he'd fallen out of his boat and drowned. 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.799 Let's just not an unreasonable assumption, really, But they dragged 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.080 to search the lake really extensively, and they never found 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.920 this body. Which it's a little weird because I mean, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.200 actually something like about eighty people have drowned in that 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.600 lake and they've always found the body. H Yeah, okay, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.440 I mean, I guess that's a reservoir. So but you 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.280 want to find the body. But on the other hand, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.760 you know, there are also lots of alligators in that lake, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.840 so you know, is we know what they do? Yeah, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.160 you know what they do for a living, right, Yeah, Okay, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.240 it's like a game of frogger. You run across them, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.040 alligator log alligator to the other side. Yeah, I know, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.320 if they're if they're kind enough to line themselves up 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.200 like that, then, yeah, for sure, it's all about timing. Brother, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.719 have you seen that picture though? You know how alligators 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.080 and crocodiles get frozen, you know how they sit underwater. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.280 They're not like logs. They're like at an angle, so 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.359 like their heads are floating, but their feet are on 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.800 their back feet are on the bottom. Yeah, it's for 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.440 some reason that's extra creepy to me. I don't know 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.359 that makes sense, So that they got more leverage to 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.000 launch themselves into action quickly. Yeah, that's probably why it 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.320 is more scary and weird to me anyway. Sorry, Oh yeah, yeah, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.479 but alligators are really kind of fascinating. You know, they're 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.520 kind of it's almost kind of cute, and it's sort 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.240 of a prehistoric mons terrified. Yeah, in the same way 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.280 that t rex is are kind of cute. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.800 they're so they're cute. Well, anyway, back to Mike, the 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.520 police concluded that it was drowning and probably got eating 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.560 my alligators in a closer case, and then Mike's waiters 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.640 were found in the lake about six months after he disappeared. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.640 Um and then about seven months after he disappeared, his 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.080 widow Denise petition. I haven't declared legally dead. Eventually, she 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.520 married Mike's buddy Brian Winchester, who's the guy that's in jail. Now, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.240 are you sure we've never talked about this, this story, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.359 even if it wasn't off. But this story sounds really 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:02.120 really familiar. I swear you know something about this? You 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.560 know nothing? Well, I mean I checked the episode list 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.320 because I when I was reading it, I was like, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.960 this sound does sound familiar, but we haven't done it before, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.200 a right, I have not. The thing about the waiters 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.000 just really stuck in my mind. But I thought I 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.280 got that from cartoons, you know, because cartoons conspiracies. No, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.480 no, no no cartoons, because you know, like an alligator like 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.600 eats a person and they're wearing clothes and then spits 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.560 the shoes back up. You know. I just I just 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.800 assumed that was why that sounded from. Probably was that's 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.440 probably where you got it from. But but Mike's gone. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.080 Cases closed, but his mother, Cheryl Williams, did not accept 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.520 the drowning theory, and she kept nagging the police to 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.400 reopen the case, and along about two thousand before they did. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.840 Apparently somebody did a little research and they found out 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.640 that alligators don't eat in the wintertime. Apparently the water 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.520 gets cold, they go kind of dormant. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.440 that's what I was mentioning when earlier, when you were 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.240 saying about have you ever seen the frozen alligators? They 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.200 when the water freezes, you see all these little stouts 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.440 sticking out of the ice because they're they're keeping their 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.400 heads above water just enough so they can breathe, but 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.000 they're kind of stuck there in place. It's it's the 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.680 creepiest thing in the world. You you creeped out by 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.160 angled alligators? Look at frozen out I gotta, I gotta actually, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.240 you know, go to a frozen lag sometime and like 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.240 stop their noses up and kill them and then just 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.560 say I killed an alligator with my bare hands. I 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.280 think that's probably really illegal, but probably probably Actually I'd 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.720 be too scared to do because you know, what if 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.880 what if the alligator wakes up and like it breaks 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.720 the ice and kills me. Um, he'd be like what's 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.360 his name on that Adam Sandler movie with the one 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.840 wooden hand. Yeah, yeah, that does happen, by the way. Yeah, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:44.800 I knew some of somebody I worked with was in 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.319 Florida and they went to one of those parks that 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.240 has all the gators, and apparently somebody while they were there, Uh, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.080 kind of lost his hand because he got a little 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.120 fresh with an alligator. Nobody likes fresh alligators. Yeah, no, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.360 alligators don't like fresh humans. They but they don't like it. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.240 Smart all case. Okay, so yeah but anyway, Yeah that 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.040 so after they figured that out, and that makes the 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.400 lack of a body seem a little stranger, so they 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.440 reopened the investigations. Yeah, but that's about where the case 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.200 still is. It's it's it's been open for all these years, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.360 since two thousand four, but no real new evidence has 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.440 come to light. There's been a lot of speculation about 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.760 what his fate was, a lot of different theories out there. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.000 So what the hell happened to him? Here are some 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.280 of the theories. Uh, accidental drowning, which is of course 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.560 the first presumed theory. Another one is that maybe he 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.440 committed suicide. Maybe you know, life was just too much 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.959 she decided to kill himself and throw himself to the gators. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.840 Or I like this one a little bit. He faked 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.240 his death by leaving his empty boat on a lake 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.760 full of alligators. You know, I assuming that would explaining 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.319 nobody and then just went off to start a new 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.680 life somewhere. Or maybe he was murdered because everybody has 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.400 murder on the brain ever since that's Stephen. A very 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.240 documentary thing, I know, I know, I mean, all the 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.840 suggestions we get just murder, murder, murder, murder, murder. You know, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.120 most people don't actually die of murder, believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.360 statistically it's unlikely, all right. And then we have one 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.120 last there, and this is actually my personal favorite, which 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.840 is maybe the ducks got him. I mean, you know, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.800 they turned the tables on them, So that would also 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.080 be murder in a way, wouldn't it not if it's ducks, 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:33.440 although it would be foul plays that Yeah. Uh so 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.640 those are the theories out there. But before we go 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:48.200 into the theories, let's take a break. The light around 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.599 you is wan and cold, just like your soul. You 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.120 stare into the darkness and wonder what it's all about? 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.240 Why is it this way? How did it get so strange? 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.520 Who made it so? These were your only option? Indecision 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.080 grips you like that time when you were eight and 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.760 that spelling being couldn't decide if apocalypse began with a 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.360 p A c or Jethro Tall. You fretted and worried. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.960 You could feel the rush of sweat spreading across your 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.520 scalp and moving down to the collar of your shirt. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.080 Why did you have to make it feel like you 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.480 were choking? That collar was your mother's choice, and it 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.480 felt like she was strangling you, stopping you from making 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.840 the right decision. You fretted so long and that eventually 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.360 the buzzer went off. Now that was your alarm clock 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.040 going off. The sound of the buzzer blaring was not 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.880 the judge disqualifying you again for not spelling apocalypse, but 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.120 instead the wake up called yet another day of drudgery. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.760 And it is at that moment you realize you couldn't 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.400 take it anymore. You just couldn't. Something had to change, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.520 which is how you ended up here, staring into the darkness, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.320 trying to figure it all out and make the right choice. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.240 Which avocado in the pile was the right one? The 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.599 answer is all of them, that's right. The International Avocado 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.480 Board will want you to know that they are all 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.400 the right choice. To make some avocado toads for breakfast, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.760 blend it into a drink for a nice creamy snack, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.240 dice it up on your salad at lunch, and toss 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.520 it onto your chicken for dinner. Avocados blocking out the 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:29.559 sadness since October nine, and we're back. All right now, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:35.920 let's get into theories. First. Theory, Let's start with the ducks. Um. Hey, so, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.760 uh while we were on a break, I did some 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.599 googling because I was starting to agree with Steve. This 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.880 sounded familiar. Um, well, yeah, but I thought we had 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.640 that that moratorium on internet surfing while recording. Yeah, sorry, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.200 I was bored. This is a boring case. This is 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:58.520 a really boring ducks anyway. It doesn't really matter because 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.520 it was solved. They found the botty and December two, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.360 seventeen o two months ago. Yeah, not even two months ago. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.360 How long ago did you do the research on this? 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:16.400 More than two months ago? Okay? Police, it's annoying when 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.200 those guys solve everything. Yeah. Well they haven't solved this 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.760 one though, right, I mean they found the body anyway. Alright, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.400 So uh, we got our theories. Uh, does anybody have 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.520 a favorite theory murder? Okay, well I'm gonna stick with 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:38.920 the ducks. Go ye, alright, enjoying? Alright then, uh so, anyway, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.840 if you're Mike's killer and you want to send us 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.280 an email, our email address is Thinking Sideways podcast at 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:50.040 gmail dot com. So wait, so we're all done. There's 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.960 a there's a problem here, guys. It's like, we're like 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.960 fifteen minutes in best yeah, we have forty five minutes more. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.600 We really have to do an our long episode. It's 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.679 actually actually I have been taping a lot of my 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:11.040 conversations with my cats. Hear that, haven't you been saving 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.840 bloopers from this entire year? Yeah? Yeah, okay, well let's 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.040 just do that. Okay, let's do that, and then we'll 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.800 publish Joe's conversations with his cats for the people sleep 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.160 You go sleep to us, and they'll they'll pass out 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.720 to pay attention to that. There will be a book also, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.400 sooner or later they'll just wake up to Joe being like, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:35.680 oh booze, you're such a good boy. Yeah yeah, and 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.520 also a cold Case Discussions expert panels. They'll be famous 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.800 guests you may have heard of, like Nancy Grace, Ron 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.480 Johnson called Marino kirk nermy who's he? M? Cheryl mccollumn 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.040 I just want to talk about how Joe looks at 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.520 me and says, do you remember that disco? Of course 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.640 I know. Well, you're the music historian of the team. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.080 Most us am the old one. It's true you are. 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.640 You're an old soul. Okay, let me move my microphone 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:16.920 around a little bit here. More and more didn't do 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.400 that quite right? No, I don't think you did at all. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:26.680 More and more and more okay, Okay, of Christ's sex, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.920 I don't because it's terrible. You're singing is not that good. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.880 We have fantastic mics, and it turns out they capture 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.480 your singing voice quite accurately, and it's just it's not good. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.720 If you can't blame the microphone. I've got to record 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.440 a song for our fans, but I guess not. You 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.800 Have you listened to the Bloopers? Yeah, okay, yeah, I 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.000 will listen. It's gonna say there's an ongoing obsession throughout 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.960 the entire thing where you're just like, I want to 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.120 record a song. I want to sing more. I don't 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.480 want all that, Oh, I just want to SnO. Okay, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:09.760 all right, let's get going kind of shorter all the 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.920 way around, or shorter in the front, you know, shorter 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.240 but more off the front. You know, I'm bad with 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.080 hair cuts. Okay, what do you think? I don't know. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.320 That's a big decision. You know what if I were you, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.080 you know what I do because I found this look 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.640 works with the ladies, is I would buzz it really 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.880 short and then shave the top down. It's like with 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.840 a blade. Yes, yeah, that's a good ide. Yeah, yeah, Okay, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.440 you gotta keep up on the shaving regiment though. Actually, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.040 you know what I've heard really works with and then 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:39.800 you get to the back and you gotta you gotta 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.840 shave that little circle in the back that drives them nuts. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.000 What the chicks really dig is when you grow it 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.720 out about like this, but you grow some of it 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:53.000 really super long, just tough, and then you like, can 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.680 I shave it up here? And he's wait, no, I 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.320 know what you need to do. Yeah, buzz it about 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.960 an inch and a half tall and hunt and let 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.000 it grow out in the back. Yeah, but make sure 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.120 you braid it down your back. Okay, just like like 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.200 like so business in the front kind of party in 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:13.360 the back. Exactly like that. Let's do that. Yeah, perfect, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.200 Where do we go to get mullet wigs to wear 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:24.439 the crime con. I really thought you farted when the 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:34.560 first one happened. Too good, Okay, um, you get my lighter. Sorry, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.720 doesn't malware and cool like you've got a virus. Probably 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.879 you should take a pill for that virus of the 0:17:45.960 --> 0:18:00.240 brain because you're stupid, Way way eggs and bakey. Here 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:08.680 we go, gavor when you go. That's actually a really 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.200 funny idea, Devin, good job you had one. You did it. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:24.240 Oh and they say women can't be funny, No, that can't. Um. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.520 If I do disappear in San Francisco, please can you 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:31.240 um just like not not observed the five year rule 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.920 and just do an episode immediately. You're gonna wait five 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:40.800 years doing it. Okay, we're gonna be really busy replacing you. Yeah, anode. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.119 That's gonna take us like a week and then and 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.600 then they will have forgotten. Yeah it's you. Will just 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.720 totally forgotten about you. It's fine, And that will be 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.439 in the middle of recording and you'll show up and 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:58.600 what the hell she pitch? It was like hearing my 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.399 own self. It was told you he's good. It's a 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:09.640 hell of a mimic. I feel like I'm not part 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.680 of the circle now, so oh, I be part of 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:18.360 the circle. You're part of the healing circle. Circle. We're 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.720 just gonna be a witch covin from now on. That's 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:30.960 not a which covin? Which covin? Okay? Cool? Yeah, okay cool? 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.280 And introduction yeah, and we'll get a clean introduction and 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.199 all of that stuff. And then um, we'll probably do 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.480 that thing where we take an extra long pause, you know, 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.000 after asking, and then like they take a pause, and 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.480 then you know, we'll ask him the next question so 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.960 that we can get as clean as a recording as possible, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.320 since Skype tends to give us a nice you know, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.480 five two to five second alay, depending on how it's 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.640 feeling that day. That's true. And then and then we'll 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:09.480 ask you to record a commercial ad for us. And uh, 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:15.200 all right, are we recording? I said a heart attack 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.760 that we weren't recording this whole Well, it was just 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.000 like very flat, and then I remembered it was silent 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.359 in the room, and so that's why I was listening 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:28.199 for Yeah, that's that's how we caught Joe talking about 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.600 listen bit. It was actually just a n E v 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.600 P that was actually not even me. It was my 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.320 ghost living here that wanted to really screw me. Overt chances, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:51.480 there's crime Connery and the tubes. Stupid ghost. So whenever 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.480 you are ready, tell me, and I will mute myself 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.199 and then it is all you. You don't want to 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:05.760 have the like weird breathing on. Uh yeah, that'll really 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.840 go well with The Boss season three. They'll be like, 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.200 oh god, the bad guys in the background. No, there 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:18.080 he is. Yeah, okay, probably better than I don't yeah 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.480 for real, Um yeah, I don't know. I can do whenever. Okay, well, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.680 it's it's your show. I'm just gonna say a bunch 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.639 of mean stuff about you while you're on mute. I 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:29.480 was just talking. You didn't hear me, So I'm the 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:36.639 one who gets to do that. That's true. Okay, all right, 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:43.919 let's do the thing. Okay. Trying to decipher Google's like 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.720 your sober friend, you know, like you can type some 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.239 like really messed up words in there, and it's like, 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.520 oh did you mean this? Because it understands somehow the 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.639 AI on that with me, it always says, oh do 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:02.000 you mean porn? Could be a good one for the Bluer. Yeah, no, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:11.680 of course Google doesn't say that. Why not. I haven't 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.880 been working on my bird pones because they just tend 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.440 to fly right into my brain. They falcon in there. 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.040 That one didn't work. It worked, Yeah, it'd only work 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:35.440 in your bird brain. Oh true? Yeah, you're ready. Yeah, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.720 now you clear your throat? You need to do it anymore? No, 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.439 I'm good. Can we actually for our four your anniversary? 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.840 Can it just be every single clip we have of 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.800 Joe clearing his throat or coughing, just an entire episode 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.320 of it. It would require me to save him all. 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.600 You saved many of them, I'm sure. No. I cut 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.639 them out real like, no, he's coughing. I don't have 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.119 that on tape. But one time I'm like, god, I 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.879 I sneezed, I hiccuped, I belched, and I farted just 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.520 like bam bam bam bam. That was it? So good? 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:17.760 I know that that's the right word. Ghost parts. Okay, 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.800 what's a bird joke to make? I don't know. We're 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.080 gonna fly like an eagle the commerci You got your egrets, 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.400 you got your owls, you got your e moves. Where 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:37.800 is that from? We're gonna take an egg in. Now 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.399 that doesn't work. Um, I'm sorry. Wait, I had a 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:47.600 list of them earlier. We're going to take an existential break. No, 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:55.040 give me a break. Give it a nest already speak, 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:04.200 I'm just going to use it. Give it a nest in. 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:16.200 She reportedly married a name. Name married a name. You're 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:22.440 a wreck. I'd like a fever of like a hundred 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:28.080 and four Friday nice. That's why I was like, I 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.880 can't do anything right now because they will not be coherent. 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.800 That's what Karen had. She's had a fever. What what's 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.720 your temperature now? I actually run kind of cold. I 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.600 do too. I'm about you know, I'm about ninety seven 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:46.439 point six something like that. I don't know what I am. 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:47.720 Let's about what I run out? I don't know. If 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.720 you have a thermometer. I have a thermometer. You can't 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:59.080 use it because it's recte. Yeah, yeah, the hell you 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:18.320 can't stick it up here. Maybe she's crackers. Okay, sorry, 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.879 I'll do something with squinty face. Don't worry about it. Okay, 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:37.760 squinty face. Oh since okay you dumb ship Okay, ready, okay, 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.879 there we go, hang on, get to get a character. 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:58.280 Oh yeah, Okay, here we go. Ready, mm hmmm, I 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:06.719 wanted to fit in. Yeah, yeah, totally tear pressure. So 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.600 your chairs facing the wrong way. You need to spin 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.880 it about a d eighty degrees because I don't want 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.200 to have to look at you through this whole episode. Plus, 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.480