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Speaker 1: Thank you. It is so nice to be here. I've

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because we've spoken about

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434
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: my face that I thought, well, this could be the end.

435
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: But I just in my head counted to three, and

436
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: on three, I screamed and he dropped the knife. Surprisingly,

437
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: he pulled off his ski mask. I couldn't really identify him,

438
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: but I guess again that another sort of calling card

439
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: that they knew it was him. And he ran out,

440
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: and my door in my bedroom I remember, you know,

441
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: sometimes would get stuck and he's like trying to pull

442
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: the get out, and I'm like, oh my gosh. So

443
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: it was just and then obviously I ran upstairs to

444
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: find out that my parents they were asleep. I was

445
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: the only victim in the house because he had come

446
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: in through the put his hand up through the dog

447
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: door that we had. It's you know, we didn't really

448
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: have security in the house per se. Then it was

449
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: really just locked the door, and he had unlocked I

450
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: never have a dog door again, the door, and that's

451
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: how he had gotten in.

452
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: I literally got chows listening to that story because it's

453
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: so you know, it's such a horrific, horrendous thing to

454
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: have to live through and I'm grateful you shared it

455
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 2: with us. Thank you so much for being vulnerable and

456
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: open and sharing that. How do you not let that

457
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: let you live in fear for the rest of your life.

458
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: What's the next thing you do from something like that?

459
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: Because that would be if you didn't do anything, ever,

460
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: it would be completely valid because it's such a painful

461
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: experience to go through. Yeah, how do you respond? How

462
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: do you react? What's the first thing you do after

463
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: something like.

464
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know I was hysterical, and I

465
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: was you know, there was the relief of my parents

466
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: and you know, being okay, but you know, there was

467
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: just I knew that I could never go back in

468
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: my house. I left, I didn't graduate high school, and

469
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, I got married, like as soon as I

470
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: turned eighteen. I didn't want to be alone. So for me,

471
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: it really manifested it in fear of being by myself,

472
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: of somebody getting me again. But I also knew that

473
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: there just was a reason that I was here. And

474
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: it was shortly after that actually that that's when I

475
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: started going to the jails and started to do the

476
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: work there because I thought, how does this happen? Like,

477
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: how do people go down these roads. You know, what

478
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: is it that you know makes somebody make the choices

479
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: in their life? And I just knew that for me,

480
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to find what it is ultimately that I

481
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: was supposed to be doing. And the closest thing at

482
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: that time, because I wasn't going to be going to

483
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: college because I didn't graduate high school was going to

484
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: beauty school. I thought, I can get a I can

485
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: get my own little scholarship there and go and you know,

486
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: start doing it through the one way that I knew.

487
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: The only skill that I thought I had was in

488
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: this kind of being this creative and wanting to help

489
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: women look and feel better about themselves. So I just

490
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: I started there really with no money and that vision

491
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: and decided that that's that's what I was going to do.

492
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: It's a tough question, but did you get an answer

493
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: when you started visiting the prisons of why people did

494
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: certain things? Did you did you find or discover anything

495
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: or hear anything? And on top of that, did the

496
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: pillar gase rapists go to prison as well?

497
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: Yes, the pillowcase rapist was finally caught in prison and

498
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: he's no longer with us, he's gone, thank goodness. No

499
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: sadness around that for me. So, uh yeah, going to

500
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: the jails, you really see. I mean there were times

501
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: that I would go because after going twenty years and going,

502
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, every other month, that's a lot of visits

503
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and you hear a lot of different people's stories. And

504
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: I remember going at times where there was a mom,

505
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: a daughter, and a grandmother. They were all there and

506
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: it was just like, Wow, how does this happen? And

507
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of stories of you know,

508
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: in my mind too, because I didn't want to judge.

509
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: I had to make everybody but like everyone's here as

510
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: a drunk driver, you know, you're sort of like I

511
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: wanted to equalize the room so that even though you're

512
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: maybe seeing the teardrops at the end of somebody eyes

513
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: of you know, maybe what they've done in life. I

514
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to judge. I wanted to just stay to

515
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: my to my message, which I could see that doing

516
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: these makeovers and people seeing themselves differently, especially women who

517
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: had maybe had to like crazy eyebrows or whatever it was,

518
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: that it had really sort of changed them into just

519
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: somebody that they looked different, but who they were inside

520
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: was very different. I wanted to get to that, and

521
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I wanted them to feel that, you know, you may

522
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: be in jail today, but you know, when you get

523
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: out tomorrow or when you get out, you know there's

524
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: a whole new world out there, and there can be

525
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: a whole new you out there. And that was that

526
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: really took on the life of the power of mascara.

527
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: And obviously it was never about selling them my cosmetics

528
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: or anything like that, because I'm very much for women

529
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: and whatever makeup they like it.

530
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it works absolutely, and I think it's incredible how

531
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: much our appearance does affect our confidence. And I've seen it.

532
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: There are so many of these great videos on social

533
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: media of a lot of hairdressers and barbers going onto

534
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: the streets and doing free cuts for the homeless, and

535
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: you hear their reaction. I've seen some of these videos

536
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: where you hear their reaction before and after and how

537
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: they feel about looking at themselves in the mirror and

538
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: how it can be such a boost for confidence as well. Yes,

539
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: and so that definitely resonates. How did it go from

540
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: being your passion and something that you are so connected

541
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: to as a way of helping people build self esteem

542
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: to then becoming a very successful business. There's lots of

543
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: steps in between. What were some of the key things

544
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: you'd think transformed it from a great small business to

545
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: something quite successful.

546
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think basically it's really in the world of

547
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: the no makeup makeup, nothing existed, you know, and especially

548
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: so you think about in you know, when you're in

549
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: the jails again, I was trying to strip down people

550
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: to the essence of who they were, and to me,

551
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: at the core of that is this no makeup makeup

552
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: that's really and so there was nothing in the world

553
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: of say foundations at the time that would be kind

554
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of the starting point for that. That to me was

555
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: going to be what I built my business around and became.

556
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, I created over six hundred products over the

557
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: course of thirteen years. But my Foundation, which I sold

558
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: millions millions of units of, was just based on more

559
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: natural looking skin tone shades that look like you didn't

560
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: have layers of makeup on. So that really came from

561
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: not only the jobs that I was doing, but from

562
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: all those years of going to the jails and really

563
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: wanting to help women look like themselves and not you know,

564
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: pile on all the makeup. So when I said, as

565
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I was making these shades and pots and pants in

566
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: my garage. I had to find a cosmetic chemist. You know,

567
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like at the time you're looking in the Yellow Pages,

568
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: nobody out there knows what the Yellow Pages are, that

569
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: that's a directory that, yeah, exactly, and you're going in.

570
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I found a cosmetic chemist and said, hey, you know,

571
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I want to this is what I want to do.

572
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: I want to create these shades, these textures, these fields.

573
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: And I started. And then while I again wanting to

574
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: teach what I do and never having graduated or gone

575
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: to college, I thought, you know what, I want to

576
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: teach this. I'm going to call UCLA. They have an

577
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: extension program. Maybe I could teach some of what I'm

578
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: doing as a Hollywood makeup artist and teach that. I

579
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: did that for ten years as an extension course that

580
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: was again sold out every quarter. People wanted to learn

581
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: how to do it. Whether it was I had so

582
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: many men taking it, you know, guys that maybe just

583
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: wanted to meet gals, you know, and do their makeup,

584
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: but it was another way that I could just see

585
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: people wanted to connect in this way. So I thought,

586
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: this is great. And then through doing that at UCLA,

587
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: one of my students actually said, you know, I know

588
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: this group of guys that are selling products through television,

589
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: and I said, wow, I think I have a great

590
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: idea of how to sell products through TV color cosmetics,

591
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: which no one was doing at the time because this

592
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: is the late eighties and I hadn't really perfected my kit,

593
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: but you know, we do that little bit of that

594
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it, and act as if

595
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: so when she put me together with the guys, I

596
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: basically said, I have this idea for these color kits,

597
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, peach, pink, and red, and I'll put all

598
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: of the colors and products and things you need together

599
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to teach you how to do it.

600
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: And basically, that long story short, they decided to roll

601
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the dice on that and shoot an infomercial, and the

602
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: very infomercial I did with two celebrities at the time,

603
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Ali McGrath and Lisa Hartman, we started doing a million

604
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: dollars a week in sales. I mean, clearly there was

605
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: an appetite for women wanting to know how to do

606
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: their makeup and feeling that confidence and reassurance that I

607
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: tried to give in my three hour tutorials that you

608
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: never see.

609
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: Now, that's incredible, that's amazing. And did you find that

610
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: building this business and helping these people and helping your

611
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: customers but also women that you met in the prisons,

612
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: did that help how you felt about yourself and what

613
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: you'd been through or was there not a correlation? Was

614
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: healing a part of that, or was healing having to

615
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: happen separate that.

616
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, healing is a part of everything. I think we

617
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: all just you know, healing happens, whether sometimes we even

618
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: know it or not. It's on like a cellular level,

619
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: so you know, it's whatever piece of what you're doing

620
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: at the time. I've gone through so many different stages

621
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: of healing because I've gone through so many different experiences,

622
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: as I said, you know, as my life has gone

623
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: from like what I look at in the two parts,

624
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, the mess Scarra to medicine, so it's all

625
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: all of that journey has informed me and my healing

626
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: in so many different ways.

627
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Did you find that you were saying that your experience

628
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: made you rush into not wanting to be alone and

629
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: obviously got married very young. Did you find that led

630
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: to some codependency which caused challenges in relationships or did

631
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: you actually was that something that you feel your partner

632
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: was good at navigating and dealing with, because I can

633
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: imagine that when you don't want to be alone, and

634
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: of course, based on the traumatic experience that you had,

635
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: it's very valid, but I wonder how that affects the

636
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: other person as well, and how you navigated that, especially

637
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: in the early years.

638
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Well, I think it started even earlier because I had

639
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, as I said, my parents had a lot

640
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: of problems together, and my biological dad put me up

641
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: for adoption when I was nine years old, so my

642
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: stepdad had adopted me, and so I really very early on,

643
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: i'd say, really never felt, you know, how to have

644
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: a relationship, especially with a father, with a man, and

645
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm now married, this is my third time,

646
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd say, did I have codependent problems? And

647
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: being frightened and you know, being afraid to be alone

648
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: definitely created issues because I was afraid and I was

649
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out me. And so i'd definitely

650
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: say that's been a theme. And even now I've worked

651
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: really hard, you know, and especially in raising three kids.

652
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, when you have your first child, you really

653
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: have to think about all of your own stuff. And

654
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: there were times where I always say, you know, I

655
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: didn't just hang my hat on my son, I hung

656
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: my wardrobe, you know. I mean, you bring a lot

657
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: of your stuff. So it's been really a conscious thing,

658
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: and I think for all of us thinking about how

659
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: the past informs us of what we bring to the table,

660
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: and how we have to navigate our relationships, our love relationships,

661
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: and all of our family relationships. And it can be

662
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: really challenging, and you can become the quote unquote identified

663
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: patient and how you sort of navigate that in your

664
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: world in your life.

665
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: I've often spoken to doctors, to their experts, and they

666
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: talk about how much we need to look at our

667
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: genetic past and our history and our family of health.

668
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting how on the physical level that's true,

669
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: and it's true on the emotional level as well. But

670
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: sometimes it can be so hard to look at the

671
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: emotional background of our family and how it's affected us,

672
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: because a lot of us go through life believing that

673
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: our parents are super human. In the beginning, some of

674
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: us feel that way for a long, long long time,

675
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: and it's almost like the earlier we've recognized that our

676
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: parents are humans just like we are, and we all

677
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: have challenges and flaws that sometimes the healthier conversations and

678
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: connection we can have with them as well. Your journey

679
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: with your children has been a labor of love in

680
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: so many ways. And I want to talk about Ali,

681
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: who I had the pleasure of meeting, who you know

682
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: is your co author on this book, yes, and has

683
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: been at the core of your journey and connection to

684
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: the medical world, from mascara to medicine and looking into

685
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: that world for you. As you said earlier, you were like,

686
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like I was loved in that way.

687
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: Walk me through what it feels like when your daughter,

688
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: who you love so deeply gets diagnosed with an illness

689
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: that is very rare, and on top of that, you

690
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: here she doesn't have very long to live. Oh, I

691
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: just can't imagine. I'm not a parent, but I can't imagine. Therefore,

692
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that feels like. Can you walk

693
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: us through what that moment feels like when you've raised

694
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: someone for what fourteen years?

695
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I mean my life changed, you know,

696
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: my life changed when Ali was you know, I have

697
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: three children, and when Ali was diagnosed at fourteen, you

698
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: know where, you know, completely healthy, fine, and you know,

699
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: we're going to a premier, a premiere of a movie.

700
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: We're going to go see something. And she's saying she

701
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: has an eyeball headache, and I'm thinking, oh, you know, okay,

702
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, and she says her vision's getting a little fuzzy,

703
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, well, I'm you know, I'm sure

704
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: it's nothing. We'll go see the eye doctor, will get

705
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: you some drops, and you know, you don't think anything

706
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: of it. And then all of a sudden, I find

707
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: out you're going through to the eye doctor that he

708
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: doesn't she doesn't examine and says, like, she's got this

709
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: optic neritis and we need to find out optic neurritis

710
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: is the swelling of the optic nerve and we need

711
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: to find out what's going on and go to an

712
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: op the neural ologist and find out that, you know,

713
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: And now I'm going he's saying, you've got to go

714
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: to a neurologist, and ultimately the neurologist is taking a

715
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: series of doing a series of tests, wanted to do

716
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: a spinal tap, a lumbar puncture, and I'm like why,

717
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: Like she's just got something going on with her eyes.

718
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: What are y'all doing? You know? And it was it

719
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: was really scary. And he's decided he's going to do

720
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: some blood work the neurologists and he starts checking boxes

721
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: and one of the boxes they check is for something

722
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: called neuromiolitis optica. And I said, oh, what is that?

723
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, don't worry about it. That would

724
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: be a nightmare. She's not going to have that. I

725
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: don't even know why I've ever checked that box. And

726
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: of course, you know how that goes check that box.

727
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: And it turned out that that's what Ali had. And

728
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: so when they called with the results, they basically told

729
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: myself and my husband that she had four years to live.

730
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: And it was just life changed. Life changed I in

731
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: my mind. Right then, I said, okay, well I'm closing it.

732
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: At that point, I had a billion dollar empire of

733
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, my cosmetic world. I'm closing that book and

734
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to open the book on medicine and here

735
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: I am I make lipglass like in cure disease. Yeah. Right,

736
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: But I was going to do it. I was going

737
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: to find the way and save my daughter because it

738
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: was just I mean it takes you to your knees,

739
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: it takes you to the floor. It just the air

740
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: goes out of the room. You know, you're just like

741
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: you don't even know where to begin, and you literally

742
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: just have to start somewhere. And that's where I just thought,

743
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: in that moment, that was my purpose. Everything came back

744
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: to me, the disassociating wall, you know, the rape was happening.

745
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, this is it. This is

746
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: why I'm here. I'm supposed to cure this. And it

747
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: was just like that just became the mission from that moment.

748
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: For you. In that moment, it sounds like all of

749
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: your pains really became your purpose. And that can sometimes

750
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: be the hardest path to purpose because there are several

751
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: different paths. There's passion, there's a profession, there's people you love.

752
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: But then when it's your pain, your pain of seeing

753
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: your child suffer and getting news like that, what was

754
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: useful from your cosmetic background that did transfer over into

755
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: healthcare and medicine or was it just like none of

756
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: this is useful and I need to build a different

757
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: skill set because I can imagine and that that transition

758
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: is not easy mentally, emotionally and of course logistically.

759
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not easy on any level. Spiritually, I mean,

760
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: you name it. What I drew upon more than anything

761
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: was everyone my whole career, my whole life, has always said, oh,

762
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, even when I was starting my cosmetic company,

763
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: oh you can't do that. You know, there's a million

764
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: cosmetic companies out there. So it was the everyone up

765
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: to that point always telling me I couldn't do it that.

766
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can do this, I can

767
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: do this. I didn't know how I was going to

768
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: do this, but I thought no because, as I said,

769
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: and I really it's all about for me, it's what

770
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: the power of love and intention, anything's possible. And I

771
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: loved my daughter and I was going to set this

772
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: intention and I'd been able to manifest you know, whether

773
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: it's been through my creative visualization. I see it in

774
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: my head. I make the picture, and then I'm like,

775
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to work to create this and I need

776
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: to find this cure and I'm going to be able

777
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: to I'm going to sit and ask all the questions

778
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I put together. The first thing I said to myself

779
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: is I have to learn about this condition. I've got

780
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: to educate myself and there I cut to you know,

781
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: put a group together, and I went to Stanford and

782
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: I started studying molecular medicine with a group of advisors

783
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: to understand the process of this particular condition and really

784
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: start learning. And just sat there with a group of

785
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: doctors and advisors that I would just pick from. They're

786
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: in the world of MS or in loopus or rheumatoid

787
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: arthritis and these other autoimmune diseases, and I just started

788
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: saying telling them my personal story and of you know,

789
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: how can you help me? And you know, basically, I

790
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: was fortunate that I could say, I'm I have a checkbook,

791
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: and if you're willing to work the way I need

792
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: you to all work, which was everyone was going to

793
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: have to collaborate and work together and share information because

794
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: everybody said they don't do that in the medical world.

795
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: I said, We're going to find a cure, and this

796
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: is going to be a model for how we look

797
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: at curing disease in the world. And I mean I

798
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: said it on a very big stage for myself. But

799
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: the biggest thing was always to find a cure and

800
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: at least find some therapeutics to help me. As Allie

801
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: was suffering at the time.

802
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: What were some of the biggest roadblocks you mentioned one

803
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: of them their collaboration. What were some of the biggest

804
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: roadblocks you saw in healthcare in curing these seemingly incurable

805
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: diseases because you went in there. Of course, as you said,

806
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: you'd worked hard, first of all to build this incredible company, right,

807
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: Therefore you had resources. It's not like you just had

808
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: resources because you inherited them or you had them from

809
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: somewhere else. But even with that, you had to learn

810
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: bring people together, figure it out, like what was some

811
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: of the blocks that you ran up against or that

812
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: you saw that existed before you were able to create

813
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: and curate your own teams.

814
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest thing is for me, I needed

815
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: to get to people's brain trust, and I really need

816
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: to do the way I thought was in was through

817
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: their shared humanity and sense of their own purpose, like

818
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: always bringing it back to well, why did you get

819
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: into this, Why did you decide to be a doctor

820
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: in the world of MS research or things? So that

821
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: was the positive side. The reason I had to do

822
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: that is because it was very clear to me very

823
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: early on that people don't share or work together. They

824
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: all wanted sort of their own spotlight for their findings

825
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: or their published work. But in the world of rare disease,

826
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: which I found out at the time, they were saying

827
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: there was maybe ten thousand people worldwide that have this.

828
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Since my work, there's over a million people in counting

829
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: that have this because it's so misdiagnosed, whether it's MS

830
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: or other things. So I had to get people to

831
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: work together and share. That was going to be the

832
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: biggest obstacle. But because I had the power of at

833
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: least having a checkbook and always feeling very blessed and

834
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: fortunate for that that I could say, I will pay you,

835
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: tell me who you need to get in the room

836
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: and at the table, but you're all going to work

837
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: together and share together. So I'd say that that was

838
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: the biggest obstacle. And then finding people, and then honestly

839
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: what became more and more as I went down this

840
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: through this journey to cure anything, even in a rare disease,

841
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I had to I found out that I had to

842
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: build a blood bank. Now can you imagine, here's all

843
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're working to, you know, find your

844
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: way with just getting researchers and scientists to the table.

845
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: But it became quickly apparent to me that they said, Victoria,

846
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: for us to do the research, we need to have

847
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: we need to have blood CECTS specimens. We need the

848
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: material to do this research. So I thought, wow, now

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: I have to create a repository, a blood bank, and

850
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: start collecting blood from patients. When I'm hearing it so

851
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: rare and when Ali was first diagnosed, I was trying

852
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: to just find one person that had this. Now I

853
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: have to amass an entire blood bank of specimens around

854
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: the world, and that was seemingly I thought, how do

855
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: you start? How do you do that? How I did that?

856
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: How do you do that?

857
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: How do you do that? I hired a nurse that

858
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to find where these patients are.

859
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to send this nurse with a little cooler.

860
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: She would show up with a little cooler and she'd

861
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: go to Alaska or she'd go anywhere, literally taking samples

862
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: and bringing them back. That's how I started. I now

863
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: have over one hundred thousand specimens in my own blood

864
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: bank and viral repository that is used for drug companies.

865
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's changed the whole landscape. But if

866
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: somebody would have told me, honestly, Jay, that I would

867
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: be like having to build a blood bank, that I'd

868
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: be doing that. I mean even early on when I

869
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: was trying to get patients to just give their samples,

870
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, how about if we do like blush

871
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: for blood? You get a blush if you give me

872
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: your blood because a lot you know our women, but

873
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: you get creative and you think about that. And I

874
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: knew that the biggest way that I could make the

875
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: difference was getting all these people together in a room

876
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: working in the same direction.

877
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that you know, it's so inspiring because

878
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: it's so You've just had so many moments in your

879
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: life that I think it would be natural and it

880
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 2: would be completely okay to give up and slow down

881
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: and just accept. But you and you also, I'm intrigued

882
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: because when I've spent time with you and even today,

883
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: it's not like you're fighting. It's almost like you're creating.

884
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I'd love to hear your thoughts

885
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: on those two sentiments, because often we think we have

886
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: to fight to stay alive. You started by saying you've

887
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: always been a survivor. Yeah, what do you think is

888
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: core to surviving difficult situations? Is it fighting or is

889
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: it creating opportunity or what is it?

890
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've never looked at it as for example,

891
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: put in the in the mix there the thought of

892
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: like being a victim, Like so if you think of

893
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: being a victim, you think more of fighting. So I

894
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: don't think of myself as a victim or you know,

895
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: it was never like, oh, why is this happening to me?

896
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: Was? How did you not have that?

897
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish there's a lot of times, clearly

898
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: I wish that I had not gone through through a

899
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: rape and gone through what I went through. And there's

900
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: times that I was like, what would it have been

901
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: like if I graduated high school and I went to

902
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: college and all that? But you know, that wasn't in

903
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: the cards. That wasn't my journey or but I've always

904
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: tried to I always try to zoom out and look

905
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: at you know, why is this? You know, what's the

906
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: way in where can I I always want to do

907
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: something good and make the good come out of it.

908
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: That's just how I've always been and I want to

909
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: find that way, and I genuinely always want to help

910
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: and whatever it was whether it was teaching women makeup,

911
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: which is now, which is you know, when I'm sitting

912
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: there at the pharmaceutical company and showing them the path

913
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: why they need to help all these people and how

914
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: they can and again going through their brain trust to

915
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: get them. I mean, think about having to get pharmaceutical companies.

916
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: The fact that I got three drugs made people say

917
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: that never ever happens, let alone in a rare disease world.

918
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: How passionate you have to be about what you're talking

919
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: about and wanting to So it's not really fighting for it,

920
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: it's just helping people find it within themselves. That's what

921
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: I do. I find that one piece, like what you

922
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: do so beautifully, you find that thread, that thing that

923
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: binds all of us, that sense of shared sense of

924
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: humanity and that purpose. I had to find that purpose

925
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: in the room for all those people.

926
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what did you end up so far? What

927
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: have you accomplished and how Obviously I named some of

928
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: it there but in the intro, but could you explain

929
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: what has been accomplished and what you're still pursuing so

930
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: that we can just understand from a you know, success

931
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: point of view, Like when you've invented these three drugs,

932
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: but what is yeah, what have what has that achieved?

933
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 2: What has that stopped? And then what are you still

934
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: trying to figure out?

935
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: So and I never I was hipful to get people

936
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: that invented them because you know, going to obviously genetech

937
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: and where they really you know, that's what they do.

938
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: But now what I learned, so I started to people

939
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: are always going, how are you doing this? Like like

940
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: this this sounds crazy. You're like making lip gloss and

941
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're getting these drugs made. Like

942
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot in between those that little

943
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: journey there. And that's why I wrote The Power of Rare,

944
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: a Blueprint for Medical Revolution, which is really this is

945
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: because there's other moms, dads, families that are you know,

946
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: going through stories like mine, and I said, I'm going

947
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: to write down at least this is what I did,

948
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: because people always want to know how you did it.

949
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: I found the biggest magic was always bringing early on,

950
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: I brought people together. I had I brought together over gosh,

951
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: forty countries together, and hundreds of researchers and scientists and

952
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: page together. So that's always been so critical in what

953
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: I do. But what I'm doing now is so people

954
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: have said, wow, how have you done it? Look at

955
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: what you've done, Look at autoimmune disease in general, autoimmune

956
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: disease right now, which is what you know Ali has,

957
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: and yes she's on a drug now that is more

958
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: controlling things. But I decided as I listened to you know,

959
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: our president, which is great, he talks about cancer and moonshots,

960
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: I thought, I want to do a cure shot. A

961
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: cure shot. We don't need to go to the moon

962
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: to start curing disease here, and autoimmune disease and cancer

963
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: are opposite sides, are the same coin. And I thought,

964
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: people start going, have you looked at what you're doing

965
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: in the world of autoimmune disease, this particular one, using

966
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: this as a blueprint for curing a lot of other

967
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: autommune diseases. So that's really what I'm passionate about now.

968
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: And I have to say I have an amazing team

969
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: that supports me. I couldn't have gone through this journey

970
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: without a doctor Michael Yaman, who's head of molecular Medicine

971
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: at UCLA. I mean, he's the scientist that you know.

972
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: We've gone everywhere from you know, the Harvard's to the

973
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: Mayo to we were doing work with Verily at Google

974
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: looking at biomarkers. I mean, he's always by my side

975
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and probably one of the smartest people. So I'm very

976
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: fortunate that I've put together a great team of people

977
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: and they see how far we've come. So I'm actually

978
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: looking at how this story ends. Is I'm gonna like

979
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: bringing be a big part in working and curing autoimmune

980
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: disease around the world, because you know, Ali said early

981
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: on in her journey, and her journey is really for

982
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: her to talk about. But she said, Mom, this isn't

983
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: just about you and you and me anymore. And that

984
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: was a turning point. I was like, you're right, it's not.

985
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: And when I see now all the patients and the

986
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: parents and you know, and I just feel if my

987
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: voice can help give voice to to other people, this

988
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: is this is what I'm doing.

989
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 2: And for our views and for our listeners, how is Ellie.

990
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Alie's doing really well. She passed the bar, she went

991
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: to law school. She she was her own champion. I mean,

992
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: I think early on, you know, she was like, Mom,

993
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what I have. Don't tell me,

994
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: which was really can you imagine in the early days

995
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: of walking around thinking, oh my gosh, my daughter has

996
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: four years doesn't even want to know, but she goes,

997
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: I know, whatever it is, mom, you'll you'll figure it out.

998
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: And but Alie's really the one who has uh has

999
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: figured it out, and and she's doing really well and

1000
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: she's a champion, and you know, you see how the

1001
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: toll it takes even on you know, I have two

1002
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: other children, and one at the time was a musician,

1003
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, on the road opening for One Direction for years,

1004
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: and he's out on the road, and I'm you know,

1005
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: going and going to these different institutions. And I should

1006
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: say because as people are going through this and whatever

1007
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: your journey is. Even while I was going through this

1008
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: and this was Alley's, there was at one point that

1009
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: I myself became diagnosed with cancer and I had to

1010
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: really sort of go, this can't be again that visualization.

1011
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't going to be the movie

1012
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: where like the mom's trying to save the daughter but

1013
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: then she gets cancer and she dies or Lorenzo's Oil

1014
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: which people told me about where you know he dies.

1015
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: It was like, no, I'm going to whatever the odds are,

1016
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: whatever things happen, there's another way to look at it

1017
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: and another way to persevere and get through it.

1018
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: What have you learned about? So, Like, let's say there

1019
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: are people in the audience who are listening or watching

1020
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: today they know someone who's struggling with an autoimmune disease

1021
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: or someone in their life or maybe even and even

1022
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: if they are, I have people to my family and life.

1023
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: Where did they start? What do they do? Where do

1024
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: they get help? Like? What what are the best places

1025
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 2: that you've seen or places of support, especially if people

1026
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: on in a you know, financial don't have financial capacity

1027
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: to help solve some of those things.

1028
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost they have to start within. They

1029
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: have to find their voice and not be a victim

1030
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: of it, but go what what can I do in

1031
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: my situation? When I created I created an app Enimo

1032
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: Resources and I started to put together building an actual

1033
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: community for patients to have support groups. So look for

1034
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: other people that are going through what you're going through

1035
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: and start going through that. You know, having people that

1036
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: you surround yourself in life. Try to put together a team,

1037
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: even at whatever level. And I know people will look

1038
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: at and I've heard people like betray it. We don't

1039
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: have the money you have and all of that. No,

1040
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: but you have a voice, and you know if something

1041
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: you're hearing doesn't feel right, getting those second opinions. Advocate

1042
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: for yourself. That's a really, really big part of it

1043
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: and a big part of what I do when I'm

1044
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: doing my patient days where i bring together hundreds of

1045
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: patients together, I'm advocating for them, but I'm getting them

1046
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: ultimately to advocate for themselves because that's what they need

1047
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: to do and seek out. Just do the research, go online,

1048
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: look at the different things that you know, and sort

1049
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: of vet them for yourself and see what feels right.

1050
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: It's all about taking action. I'm working on another book

1051
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: right now that'll come out next year, but it's called

1052
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Worrier to Warrior and Worry. I always say, worry ways

1053
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: more when you carry it alone. So you got to

1054
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: take that worry and kind of redirect it and channel

1055
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: it and do the things become that warrior for yourself

1056
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: that will ultimately lead you to a better place.

1057
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: Victoria, You've been so vulnerable and generous and kind today

1058
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: with sharing your journey, sharing challenging moments, and today I

1059
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: just want everyone who's listening watching to know we have

1060
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: only skimmed the iceberg of the amount of work, the

1061
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: depth the story, and so I highly recommend that both

1062
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: of these books, saving each other and the power of

1063
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: Rare if you're truly fascinated by the depths of this

1064
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: story and journey, that you dive into those two books,

1065
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: because like I said, we've only we've only touched the

1066
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg. But Victoria, we end every on

1067
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: purpose interview with a final five or a fast five,

1068
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: which have to be answered in one word to one

1069
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: sentence maximum, and I always ruin it by asking for

1070
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: more details. So that's up to me. But Victoria, I'd

1071
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: like to ask you your final five. The first question

1072
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: is what is the best advice you've ever heard or received.

1073
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: I'd say my mom early on said wash your face,

1074
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: put on some makeup, and just go out there and

1075
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: do it.

1076
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Speaker 2: I like that, that makes sense, that's the makeup allnes.

1077
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: And then I started a cosmetic company.

1078
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: What you tell your kids every day? Just yeah, that's great.

1079
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: or received?

1081
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: You'll never be able to do that. You know you're

1082
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: you're aiming too high.

1083
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: So true. Question number three, how would you define your

1084
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: current purpose?

1085
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, I mean that's my purpose is to cure

1086
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: autoimmune disease around the world. But really is my purpose

1087
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: is to just be a good a good person, a

1088
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: kind person, to help people and truly just share all

1089
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: the blessings of the good fortune in my life. That's

1090
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: really my purpose.

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: Question numb before you use this phrase a few times

1092
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: in the interview, like finding your voice, you have to

1093
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: have a voice finding What is the best way for

1094
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 2: someone to find their voice when they feel they've had

1095
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: to be quiet, silence, or they never had one in

1096
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: the first place.

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01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Well, I don't believe nobody's had not had a voice

1098
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: in the first place. We all have that. It's for me.

1099
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I always encourage people to just to get quiet with yourself,

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: which is different than becoming quiet, but getting quiet with

1101
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: yourself kind of a lot of times I use that

1102
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: visualization of just zooming out and hearing myself say it

1103
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: in my mind and then letting the words come out,

1104
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: just like they did when I made my scream and

1105
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: I was afraid so and those words came out. Is

1106
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: be willing to do it? Just just do it, you know,

1107
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm just that's so important to me. Just get quiet,

1108
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: center yourself, think about it, and then just say it,

1109
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: move it, move through it.

1110
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: Just do it, beautiful. And fifth and final question, if

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: you could create one law that everyone in the world

1112
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: had to follow, what would it be.

1113
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: If we could all just get back to our shared

1114
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: sense of humanity? You know that, really more than not

1115
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: people are good people. I have seen and that is

1116
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: one thing, Jay, I'll tell you working with forty different

1117
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: countries and all the different researchers and scientists from around

1118
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: the world, when they walk in the doors of my conferences,

1119
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: everybody there is there to really help people. All the politics,

1120
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: all the other stuff were there to help people, and

1121
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: just that if we could just get back to that

1122
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: shared sense of humanity and loving one another, it would

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: be nothing better than that.

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01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, Victoria. Is there anything that I haven't asked

1125
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: you today that you deeply want to share, or something

1126
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: on your heart or your mind or your soul that

1127
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: you feel pull to share?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think people hearing this

1129
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: will they will they benefit from it? I mean you're

1130
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: hearing it from the first time.

1131
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: It's so I mean, I meant everything I said, it's

1132
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: so honestly moving to hear a journey of someone just

1133
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: a just a real human story of someone who achieved

1134
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 2: material success after so much personal tribulation and trauma, to

1135
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: then switch to a service based life and now dedicated

1136
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: even further of course through helping ALI, but now to

1137
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: helping autoimmune diseases as a whole. Yeah, I mean, I

1138
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: don't know if there's a better story up for a movie.

1139
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's like that, you know, I don't know

1140
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: if it's almost like you couldn't write it. Yeah, because

1141
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: it's so powerful that someone would be able to rise

1142
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: from those situations, even you know, third marriage you said lately.

1143
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course, yeahah yeah yeah.

1144
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: But I mean, like to go through that, after what

1145
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: you've been through, to have that ability to find love

1146
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: again and create love and then to have a child

1147
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: and kind of have everything picture perfect externally, it may

1148
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: seem to then have the worst news you could potentially

1149
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: ask for, And you know, I think it's going to

1150
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: move and help a lot of people I wouldn't have.

1151
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know many people who've lived that life.

1152
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, you know what I mean, honestly, just

1153
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: the fact that You've given me the opportunity because you know,

1154
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: there are probably a lot of people that are going

1155
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: through what they go through, and it's hard to get

1156
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: people to pay attention. Getting press early on was like

1157
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,479
Speaker 1: forget it. I mean it's like it's not sexy, it's

1158
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: not you know, people are talking about whatever. It's always

1159
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: something that and to me, it's like, this is a

1160
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: great story for how things can actually happen when you

1161
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: really do see how these doctors and patients and people

1162
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: work together and what's been built. It really is extraordinary.

1163
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's been fifteen years now and just even

1164
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, just going through the Hall of Fame, you know,

1165
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: which was amazing. Just to have that experience of having

1166
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: Gloria Steinem induct me into the Hall of Fame or

1167
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: the Pope which will get you there was all extraordinary.

1168
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, who would think that somebody who didn't graduate

1169
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: high school and you know, as all of a sudden

1170
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: those kinds of things.

1171
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: How much have you invested now in this gen How

1172
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: much have you personally invested into this I've put.

1173
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: In eighty million dollars of my own money.

1174
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, And that's that's that's important too.

1175
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: And that eighty million dollars is really you know, you

1176
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: look at that, it's hundreds of millions that a pharmaceutical

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01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 1: company had to put in. And I had to show

1178
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: them and build a model to show them how they

1179
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: can make money, you know. And I could have just

1180
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, become angry or like why do I have

1181
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: to do that? They can just do that, but you

1182
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: have to you have to kind of I sit in

1183
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: everybody's seat always in my mind in the room and go,

1184
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: how do I get everyone aligned so that we can

1185
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: all keep moving forward? And that was really really important

1186
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: is to look at what everybody's needs were in that room,

1187
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: what different countries, different institutions. But then saying to the

1188
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic, like, unless you know you work with or

1189
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: whoever that is, you know, I'm not writing this check.

1190
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: So everybody had to work with another institution in all

1191
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: the research.

1192
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: I think that's the most beautiful thing that it's you're

1193
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: just using the success you had in service. I mean,

1194
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: what better use of success is there than in service

1195
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: to others. Yeah, and now that you're dedicated to helping

1196
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: hopefully prevent and solve autoimmune diseases, I mean yeah, I

1197
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: feel like, so you're so right that so many people

1198
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: are misdiagnosed or undiagnosed, diagnosed too late, Like I'm hearing

1199
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: about it all the time.

1200
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: That's what this will really help JA too, is that

1201
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: because so many people are misdiagnosed with different things. Most

1202
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: of the patients that now have what Ali has, they've

1203
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: been misdiagnosed before the doctors even knew what it was.

1204
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: They were misdiagnosed with MS or so that's why there's

1205
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: so many more patients than originally they thought. And I

1206
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: created there's an essay that it's literally a blood test

1207
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: that tells you if you have it.

1208
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: So how accessible is that for everyone?

1209
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: Anybody can get it? Anybody can get it. I mean

1210
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: in this case, the doctor mark checked that box, you know,

1211
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: for that test. But yeah, but that's why I created

1212
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: the app and things, because when you go to an

1213
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: emergency room, a lot of people they won't even know

1214
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: about this condition. So and then when you're not getting treated,

1215
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 1: you're just having more and more.

1216
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 2: How does the appo? Anyone can use it from home?

1217
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: The app? Yeah, it's on your phone. It's just on

1218
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: your phone.

1219
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: I can you tell us what exactly.

1220
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: The app is called NM Resources and you literally download

1221
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 1: it and it's got everything. I mean, it's it's extraordinary

1222
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: to see there isn't something like this that exists. And

1223
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: then it's totally free. It's got everything from the clinical

1224
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: trials that are going on, to support groups. Anywhere in

1225
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: the world where you are, you can find a physician.

1226
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: It talks about what a relapse looks like. I mean,

1227
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: if you have an attack, you go into an emergency room,

1228
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: you show them the app, everything is right there. I mean,

1229
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: it's really extraordinary. I want, it's something that people would

1230
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: have in real time if you had this for all conditions.

1231
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, people creating something like this, it's amazing.

1232
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: Are you trying to do that for other or timmune

1233
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: diseases as well?

1234
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: Now what I'm doing now, especially in the one with

1235
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,879
Speaker 1: Alli's case, is a lot of times in different conditions,

1236
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: you don't know if you're having a relapse. So I'm

1237
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: working with Verile, which is part of Google, in helping

1238
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: find all the biomarkers. And also I've created something called

1239
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: a relapse Navigator which doctors will be using that you know,

1240
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: is really kind of a shell for you can put

1241
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: in the different symptoms and things that you'll be able

1242
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: to patience and doctors can know if they're having attacks. So,

1243
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about technology now, with where we're going

1244
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: to be with AI and all of these things. I mean,

1245
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: when I started it, just I think there was maybe

1246
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: three papers that were published on what it used to

1247
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: be called before Anamodevik's disease, and now there's thousands that

1248
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 1: have been published. Ands I've been doing this work literally

1249
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: a thousands.

1250
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: It's been fifteen years that you've been fifteen.

1251
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: Years, Yeah, fifteen years. I've been doing this fifteen years.

1252
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: I've waited to talk to you, or to talk in general,

1253
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: just to get to get the message out there, you know,

1254
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: because really it's really really tough, and I know there's

1255
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the world that are suffering

1256
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: with these kind of conditions and diseases, and there's probably

1257
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot of parents that are trying to figure it

1258
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: out and figure out how to make enough noise or

1259
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: get the attention because autoimmune disease is not you know,

1260
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: going away anytime soon until we all really put our

1261
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: focus on it and know that if we can cure

1262
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: autoimmune disease and cancer, I mean, think of and they

1263
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: are different sides of the same coin. When you treat one,

1264
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: you get the other. So it's you're much more vulnerable

1265
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: to that.

1266
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: And what's that gap? Like what is because you always

1267
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: feel I guess we assume that so much money is

1268
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 2: going towards solving cancer and solving this. If is money,

1269
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 2: the issue is time, the issues, collaboration, the issue, like

1270
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: what's the I.

1271
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: Think what makes me the craziest is when people give

1272
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: a lot of money, say they're very well intentioned, they're

1273
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: giving money to something, but it's going to maybe to

1274
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: pay for a chair for a professor, or you know,

1275
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: it's not going where it needs to go one hundred percent.

1276
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, we're pretty much I've put in eighty million

1277
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: dollars with my own money, of our family money. Every

1278
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: penny goes to research and science a lot of places.

1279
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: It just doesn't or it's not put to Like everything

1280
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: I do is trunched. I have to see results. Everything

1281
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: has to be translational, meaning bench to bedside. If you

1282
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: don't see that, it's going to be really on the

1283
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: critical PA have to make a difference. I don't fund it.

1284
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: So a lot of money is spent on things that

1285
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: you know, scientists and God bless them, but they'll research,

1286
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, the head of a pin forever, you know.

1287
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean you have to sort of be very strategic

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Speaker 1: and you have to go, Okay, where is the gold

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Speaker 1: in this that I'm going to fund it because it's

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Speaker 1: really going to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: And why is it important for the people to make

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Speaker 2: a noise because like you said, like they can't help

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01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: solve it. They can't. They necessarily the solutions don't exist

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Speaker 2: right now. If someone's struggling, what's your take for the prevention,

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Speaker 2: but also like the living with for someone who you know,

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Speaker 2: what is that? Obviously some of that for NMO is

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Speaker 2: in the app. Yeah, but if it's all two immune

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Speaker 2: diseases in general, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that basically, well, I would

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Speaker 1: tell anybody that has an autoimmune disease, look at this

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Speaker 1: and look at the things that we recommend. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously you've got to be speaking to your own doctors

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01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: and following your own medical advice because you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a doctor. I'm like doctor mom, you know, but

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Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, there's a lot more

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Speaker 1: research out there and people that are making huge advances

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't even know about so

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Speaker 1: you have to really advocate and do the research and

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Speaker 1: do the deep dive. Don't just go with what the

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Speaker 1: one doctor may say to you. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people working in these areas that you may know nothing about.

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Speaker 1: And look at it on the broad spectrum of like

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Speaker 1: set it on the world stage, look at it globally,

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Speaker 1: see what they're doing in different countries. You know, really

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Speaker 1: educate yourself. That's what I had to do. I mean

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Speaker 1: I had to really learn it and study it and

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Speaker 1: understand it so you just can't be a victim of it.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's a lot easier said than done,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're in pain and you're struggling and you

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Speaker 1: don't have money. But you got to find a way.

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Speaker 1: You just got to find a way. I always find

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Speaker 1: a way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Victoria, Thank you so much. Thank you

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Speaker 2: the whole time. Yeah, exactly. I think it's one of

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Speaker 2: the you know, it's personal story to me, is is

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Speaker 2: the best way to help inspire and life and others.

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Speaker 2: And I think everything you shared to do will touch

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Speaker 2: people's hearts and move them into action.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, well, thank you. Listen, you gave me

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Speaker 1: this opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful to call you a friend and you've told me,

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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about so many of those things before,

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Speaker 2: but even for me to sit and hear you in

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Speaker 2: this way and knowing how it's going to impact my

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Speaker 2: community is going to be really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you. Yeah. When we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, I do a lot of research and

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Speaker 1: work in India as well, like worldwide, so you know

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Speaker 1: that it's just so many people that they just don't

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Speaker 1: have the access, that they don't know or they are

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Speaker 1: too afraid to you know, So anything that you can do,

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Speaker 1: I mean the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to help. I believe in it. I agree

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Speaker 2: with you. I don't. I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 2: bigger thing to solve than healthcare. Like I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's anything more important in the world, yeah

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Speaker 2: than solving incurable diseases. Yeah, because everyone should be able

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Speaker 2: to live a healthy and yeah, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's why if people go, well, gosh, if she

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Speaker 1: did it and like no experience other you know, like

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Speaker 1: the way I started and found my way into it.

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Speaker 1: But when you actually that's when I honestly, when people

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Speaker 1: started saying to me, you know this is actually going

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Speaker 1: to change MS or this is actually going to change

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Speaker 1: lupis and rheumatroit arthritis, and that I was like, really,

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Speaker 1: Like then, I just thought, this is this is this

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Speaker 1: is the this is the work. This is my life's work,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victoria. Thank you to everyone who's been listening

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Speaker 2: and watching back at home. Please make sure that you

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Speaker 2: share this with friends you know would be inspired by it,

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Speaker 2: moved by it, and please let me know what really

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Speaker 2: resonated with you and stood out for you. A big

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Speaker 2: thang out to Victoria again, thank you, and thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your friendship and your service. Victoria means

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Speaker 2: the world. Thank you so much, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, thank you.

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