WEBVTT - Luigi Mangione Pleads Guilty, Details Motive For Murder 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:05.320 Hey, that folks did. It's Saturday, August fifteenth, and after 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.239 pleading not guilty to all charges in its state and 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.480 federal case, and after a year and a half of 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.120 going in and out of state in the federal course, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.480 dealing with hearing, after hearing and fighting the charges, Luigi 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:24.000 Mangioni has pleaded guilty. And with that, welcome to this 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.680 episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. The last couple of days, 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.240 it was kind of bubbling up that this was a possibility. 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.559 Still still stunned by this. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.640 I was just going to say it was still remarkable, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.640 and yes, stunning, that is the right word to describe 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.320 what it was like to see and to read about 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:48.920 Luigi Mangioni fully admitting guilt to what we all saw 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.640 there in midtown Manhattan, captured on surveillance video. But still 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.959 to hear him admit it, you don't get that, and frankly, victims' 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.920 families don't get that very often. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.360 Road he's pleading not guilty, We're all curious what argument 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.760 is he going to make in court when there is 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:13.679 a video of the crime that's everywhere. The evidence is 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.399 as close to insurmountable as you're going to get in 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.440 a case like this, so we were all curious. But 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.600 he was fighting, even had some victories in some of 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.800 these hearings roads with some things getting thrown out. Hew, 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.319 he even had some murder charges federally dismissed, so it 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.399 looked like he was putting up a decent fight with 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:29.640 some damn good lawyers. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.240 Yes, he has the best lawyers in the business, and he, yes, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.280 at one point was facing the possibility of the death penalty. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.679 But the federal case and the charges that he pleaded 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.600 guilty to, interestingly enough, technically neither one of them were 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.040 murder charges, which is pretty significant. So yes, his lawyers 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.040 made significant headway in terms of getting some of those 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.880 charges reduced thrown out, and yet he still faces life 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:55.720 behind bars. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.160 Let's get your caught off, folks on what exactly happened 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.960 this week. There was not was not a scheduled hearing 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.680 for Friday, at least that's how the week started. But 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.200 the attorneys, as the judge in the federal case, they asked, Robes, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.119 can we have a conference on Friday? So that got 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:12.799 everybody kind of buzz who Yes. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.960 A joint request from the prosecution and the defense. You 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.560 rarely see a joint petition filed. When you've got some 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.520 case as significant as this, or truly any criminal case, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.640 they usually can't agree on anything. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.720 And what's the word that was everywhere was hurriedly or hastily. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.359 Hurriedly this is what I saw everywhere, hurriedly put together 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.440 this request. And that's why everyone began to put the 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.280 pieces of the puzzle together and thought, surely there must 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.679 be some sort of plea deal even that has been 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:42.840 struck between the two. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.840 So that was and that makes sense. And you add 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.360 to this Rhodes people piecing this together, and both sides 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.120 weren't talking, of course, but Robes there was word that 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.240 Brian Thompson's family was going to be in the courtroom. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:56.280 That stood out to a lot of. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.160 Folks absolutely, and they were there to hear what luism 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.160 MANNGIONI had to say. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:02.919 I can't even imagine. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.320 This was December of twenty twenty four, this crime where 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.639 Brian Thompson was shot in the middle of a Manhattan 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.040 street with a sidewalk as he was walking into a 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:18.600 business conference, just being thrust into that sort of trauma 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.720 in front of the world. And now to sit there 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.480 in this courtroom and hear this young man admit what 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.160 he did and why he did it. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.480 So, like you just said, Ropes, he's going to admit 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.600 to it. So with the past couple of days, both 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.520 sides asking for this conference, like you just said, and 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.839 everybody was throwing around plea deal, that is not what 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.000 this was. It was a plea but there was no 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.920 deal apparently, Yeah. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.080 And they made that very clear. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.520 The prosecutors, as we pointed out, did not speak, but 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.280 as they were going into the courtroom, they were still 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.160 telling reporters there is no plea deal. There is no 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.360 plea deal, and they wanted that to be very clear 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.040 that they're not offering him something in exchange. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:01.280 For this guilty please. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.360 So there are a lot of questions as to why 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.520 he chose this route. Earlier in the summer we heard 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.360 him potentially going to put up a insanity defense. So 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.760 there have been a lot of ups and downs, and 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.880 this case has been surprising from the get go. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.360 So there's no plea, right and he goes into court 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.880 to plead guilty. Now the question will be, and we 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.359 will answer it here, why he would do this? Now 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.840 there does seem to be a clear answer to that, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.400 but it's not clear if it's going to pay off 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.360 for him, we will explain. But in the court room 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.039 yesterday we just mentioned Brian Thompson's family, it's something rope. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.040 They have to sit in the front row right feet 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.159 away from this guy. I don't know what that feels like. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.719 We see this plenty of times in criminal cases. I 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.920 just see it's remarkable to see. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:57.359 The energy that would be emitting from you towards him, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.120 just to be in the same room, to be breathing 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.480 the same air, and yes, to just be a robe 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:08.040 back from where Luigi Mangioni is, that had to be 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.880 an unforgettable and gutting situation. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.800 Mangioni, who was in the courtroom in a tan prison 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.839 out fit, white T shirt underneath, and they say he 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.480 was shackled. I saw this, Robes. He was shackled behind 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.039 his back. His hands were behind his back. So that 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.400 again federal court, they don't mess around too much. But yes, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.680 that's how he came into court. It started with the 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.159 defense saying to the judge that their client is prepared 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.000 to plead guilty to the indictment at this time, and 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.800 Robes this is where well, at least those in the 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.239 courtroom hearing Mangioni hearing his voice and hearing him explain 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.080 things for the first time, so he had to be 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.000 asked a series of questions for the judge to just 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.640 know he's of sound mind and he was able to 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.680 make this decision on his own. But then Robes, he 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.320 asked him a series of questions and Mangioni is required 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.520 because he's pleading guilty, to tell the truth about the incident, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.080 and Robes this, I mean, this was the drama of 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.160 the day. After a year and a half and of 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.719 us seeing that video, we heard from the guy who 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.600 pulled the trigger about why he did this and to 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.080 a certain degree, how he did this. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:12.600 Yes, it was pretty remarkable. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.200 He talked about how he had years of severe back 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:21.480 pain and had spent those years trying to fight insurance 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.599 companies the healthcare industry to get the treatment he needed, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.240 the pain relief he needed, and the frustrations he felt 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:33.119 from that experience led him to come up with this plan, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.839 and I thought it was pretty interesting. He actually posed 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:41.400 as an investor of the United Healthcare Leadership. He emailed 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.680 them so he could get the details of their conference 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.240 so he would know where to be lying in wait 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:47.240 to do what. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.880 He intended to do. I mean, this is a smart kid. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.040 He's an Ivy League educated kid, and he planned this 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.680 out meticulously, but it came from a place of pain. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.799 And again, there were some suggestions about this right during 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.560 when the crime did happen and after he was arrested, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.279 that he had some problem, yes with the health care industry, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.839 and this was him exacting revenge on it. And that's 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.880 why a lot it's weird to say a murderer gained popularity, 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.280 but a lot of people robes do have problem with 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.840 the health care industry and jumped on and became supporters 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:20.800 of his because of that. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.600 Yes, one of them actually shouted out America Loves Luigi 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.240 to Brian Thompson's family as they were leaving court. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.120 I mean, that's how passionate some of these people are. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.480 They're called what is it manginist does or something like that. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:36.640 It's so weird. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.560 It's as if he's some pop stars, some Taylor's Swift adjacent, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.000 just hero or something. Among this group of people who 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.679 come out. They say it was a smaller crowd yesterday, 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.440 which is interesting outside the federal courthouse, but he has 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.160 a he brings a crowd of folks to cheer him 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.360 on at all of these court hearings. It really is 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:04.000 hard to imagine people celebrating this man who took a life, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.040 a father, a husband, and you could see the pain 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:08.360 on his wife's face. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:14.280 I don't necessarily I would love to get some psychologists 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.120 to explain this type of fandom. Are they all just 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.880 just it's I don't know, there's no reason to celebrate, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.680 to cheer, to root forward. Now, everybody's deserving of a 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.160 robust defense, sure, but that's not what we're talking about. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.880 But to celebrate as if we're celebrating him for what 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.360 he did, to clap, to applaud, to be a fan 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:39.400 of someone specifically because they murdered somebody who was representing 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.960 an industry you don't like. It's just that there's no 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.440 discussion in that. There is no argument to be made. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.080 There's no debate. We should have no regarding that. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:47.920 Absolutely not. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.920 There are plenty of other methods in which you can 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:54.040 voice your concern, try to make change in the industry. Again, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.760 a smart kid, there were plenty of things he could do, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.679 including running for office and making changes. I mean, there 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:05.000 are that people can do other than destroy someone's entire family. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.600 So we did hear from Mangioni at at some point 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.200 this seems I couldn't tell Rosie there's a script he 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.320 was reading from, but he I don't know. Some of 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.120 the language in the way he said it seemed a 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.520 little odd, but maybe he had to read a particular 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.440 script trying to remember it. Even I don't know. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.680 It seemed very You know when you have a legal 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.320 document and you know a lawyer, like, whatever your statement is, 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.480 it's been thoroughly lawyered. That's what this seemed like to me, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.280 a thoroughly lawyered statement. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.599 So this was him in the courtroom. Quote. This is 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.240 from Mangioni again. Quote on the morning of December fourth, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.960 twenty twenty four, I shot mister Thompson in Manhattan and 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.560 he died. When I did so, I understood that my 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.320 actions could place him in fear of death or serious 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.800 bodily injury. I knew what I was doing was illegal. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.480 So and there it is Ropes. After all this we've 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.400 been waiting a year and a half, like what defense 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.520 is there? Where we see you on camera? What is 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.440 the defense? But does have him say it out loud? 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.040 I did it, YEP, I was responsible and I knew 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:08.959 what I was doing was wrong. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.559 Yep, I mean, look it is. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.839 I mean, it's a relief I would imagine for Thompson's 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.320 family and certainly for federal prosecutors, even that he stood 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.600 there in front of a judge, sworn in under oath 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.000 and it fully admitted this crime and explained why he 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.400 did it. Think about how many victims' families get that 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.600 kind of And I hate to use the word closure, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.520 because it's never over it. There's never full closure for 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.760 someone who loses someone that young. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.880 In their life. I mean, that's just an awful story. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.680 But most families don't get that, and there is some 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.840 sort of there has to be some sort of emotional 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.800 satisfaction or it allows certain healing to begin when you 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.199 know someone's admitted the crime, explained why they committed the crime. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:59.719 He didn't apologize for it, but so rarely do you 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:00.480 get the why. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.440 You know, that's a good note to bring up robes. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.880 He didn't apologize for Dan. By all accounts, he was 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.120 not remorseful in the least bit. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.280 Unemotional is how he was described. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.600 Never showed an ounce of remorse for what he did. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.320 How does that play into sentencing. How does that play 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:18.880 into closure for the family, don't know. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.640 It usually does play into sentencing, though, judges usually do 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.920 take that into consideration, and he'll have another opportunity to 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.640 speak when he is sentenced, and maybe then, maybe then 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.760 we would see or hear some sort of remorse. Don't know, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.440 and don't know how sincere it would be. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:35.400 So after fighting for a year and a half, why 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.600 do this now? It's legal strategy. We're told this is 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:44.520 his federal case. These were two stalking convictions because the 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.920 previous charge having to do with murder in the federal 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.400 case was actually dismissed some months ago. Has to do 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.480 with the legal precedent, has to do with the Supreme 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.000 Court President, the whole bunch of back and forth. Even 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.000 if I did fully understand it, I wouldn't be able 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.640 to fully explain it. So what I'm saying is there 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.679 was a reason, a technical, legal, technical reason, that that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.400 had to be dismissed. So robes he just pleaded guilty 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.600 to two charges, neither one includes murder. It seems counterintuitive, like, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.840 wait a minute, he murdered the guy he's admitted to murdering, 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.440 so why isn't he pleading guilty to a charge of murder. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.880 Right, it's stalking resulting in death basically, and it still 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.520 carries life a maximum life sentence. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.720 He could serve less than life, that is true. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.280 And when you have a federal sentence, you serve eighty 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:31.800 five percent of it period. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.520 There is no. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.240 Parole or you get out early for good behavior. None 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.800 of that happens in federal prisons. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:41.240 But he does. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.160 And he could serve less than life if he ended 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.480 up with just the federal charges and he only served 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:49.920 eighty five percent of that sentence. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.960 There's your answer, folks. So why do this now? Why 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.640 plead guilty now? Because Robes, this is the possibility of 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.760 keeping him out of prison for the rest of his life, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.559 because it's a pretty tough statute in the state of 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.160 New York that doesn't allow for double jeopardy, and Robes, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.200 it's interesting here. Yes, it's stalking, it's not murder. The 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.800 state charge is a murder charge. But the way the 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.559 statute in New York is written, Robes, it says that 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.160 you can't be charged for the same incident and not 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.360 just doesn't have to be the exact same charges exactly. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.600 And so it's been that that is their long game 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.199 that it seems he'd rather be in a federal prison 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.600 than their state prison. Actually looked it up and said 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.719 federal prisons are considered safer and better funded than state prisons. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.400 They have fewer violent offenders and better programs. The drawback 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.400 for a federal prison is that you do have to 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.160 serve eighty five percent of your sentence. But look, if 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.360 you're already looking at an extended sentence and nearly most 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.480 of your life, you'd rather be in a better funded 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.320 facility that has fewer violent criminals. So he's literally trying 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:04.000 to choose where he spends he This was them knowing 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.400 and acknowledging that they did not actually have a snowball's 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.680 chance in hell of getting him on guilty. Please, so 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.760 let's just pick the better prison system to be in 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.120 federal versus state. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.000 That does seem like what their choice was. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.800 Sick crazy, You've got bad options. If those are your options, Yep, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.240 which prison do you want? I'll take the federal. Better 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.120 be in an embusy suite than a motel six. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.920 Are his choices exactly exactly, and Manngioni's attorneys this was 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.600 in a statement correct after explaining basically why they believe 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.080 this state trial should not proceed, he said. They say 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.880 he's been unfairly treated since the outset in every way, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.120 two simultaneous prosecutions in two jurisdictions. Who are trying to 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.000 punish him twice for his exact conduct. New York law 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.160 does not permit a person to be prosecuted and punished 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.720 twice for the exact same crime under a statute that 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.040 covers successive prosecutions. It's also known as the jeopardy law. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.160 Today's guilty plea triggers this statute. And we just filed 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.720 our motion in state court explaining why the state charges 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.560 must be dismissed under New York's double jeopardy protections. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.960 They make it clear what they're doing here. This is automatic, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.000 so robes. What if what if this judge, this federal judge, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.560 doesn't give him life in prison? What could he give 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.680 him for the stalking charges? Twenty five five? 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.720 If he could, I mean he could give him twenty five, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:29.600 He could give him thirty. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:30.960 He knows the world is watching. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.080 He also knows if the state drops his case or 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.360 is forced to drop its case, that this will be 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.120 his only punt. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.280 This is it, This is it, and we should rose 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.480 because this state trial is supposed to be happening in 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.560 a matter of weeks, right September eighth. I think I 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.600 have it right, So Robes, there needs to be movement 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.760 on what's going to happen here before September eighth. So 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.280 after a year and a half of hearing after hearing 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.280 after hearing, we have like a three week sprint to 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.920 get this case resolved completely. With MANGIONI ropes, how could 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.200 the jet There's no way he's going to give him 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.080 twenty five what's eighty five percent of twenty five? 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.560 Yeah, that's not anywhere near enough, and I don't think 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:11.600 anybody would accept that. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.920 But I was even thinking, how do you quantify life? 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.040 Is that fifty years? 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.040 He's twenty eight, so what is that fifty years? And 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.120 then what's eighty five percent of fifty years? 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.040 I don't think the family or many people will accept 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.000 anything short of him spending the rest of his life 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:25.640 in prison. Will that? 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:27.400 I don't think so. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.040 I think most everyone agrees he should be in prison 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:30.360 for life. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.120 But yeah, what is a life term? What is that 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.880 equal to in years? 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.280 In years? For god, that's twenty eight? Yeah, to guarantee 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.400 that he'll still end up behind that. This is going 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.840 to be fascinating for the next couple of weeks. Here 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.280 we did here, of course, we just let you hear 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:47.400 from Mangioni's attorneys. We also heard from the district attorney 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.960 who is none too pleased that his case might be 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.760 getting hijacked. We'll let you hear that. Also, will let 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.400 you hear from the family. Brian Thompson's family also put 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.520 out a statement to express how they felt about what 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:05.399 we've seen in this case in the past twenty four hours. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.000 All right, folks, we continue here on this Saturday on 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.919 Amy and TJ have several developing stories. We usually get 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.199 up in the morning robes and we like to do 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.639 something a little lighter, a little more fun. But there 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.680 are a couple of stories that have been bubbling this week. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.960 We're talking about Mangioni now with his case, but also 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.280 there were two other significant stories with significant updates that 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.200 we're going to be getting into on our morning feed 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.359 that you can look for right after this episode. What 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.520 having to do ropes with that Cambridge professor who is 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:43.320 at the center of plagiarism charges. He is now dead 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.919 been found dead in London we're going to get into that. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.280 And also another story out of Texas. This one's fascinating 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.080 to me, the legal back and forth over a surrogate 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.480 who didn't want to have an abortion at the request 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:57.880 of the parents. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.800 Yes, and now that baby has been born and there 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.040 are plenty of legal filings flying, but yes, it's forcing 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.879 a lot of well certainly the state of Texas to 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.800 make some decisions because there is plenty of legal action 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.040 going on because yes, the biological parents didn't even want 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.560 the child to exist. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.800 So yes, those were significant, very buzzy stories. This week, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.920 we're get the updates on both of those as well. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.760 Again those episodes of being our feed right after this one. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.119 But Ropes. Getting back to Mangioni the DA as you know, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.080 the state and the Feds have been arguing over who 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.399 gets this guy first, and it looks like the state 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.159 was going to via trial, but now the Feds have 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:38.000 with the. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.600 Plea and there are so many angry folks, including the 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.600 judge who it seems was overseeing the state case. He 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.800 basically said that the Feds renigged on their agreement basically 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.720 because the state had done all the work and was 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.520 prepared and was ready to go, and it had already 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.680 been agreed that they were going to try their case first. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.240 So the guy wants the plee we're supposed to do. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.360 Yeah, but obviously there was negotiations going on behind. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.680 Don't let him plead? What is the option there? 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.760 Exactly? But yes, feathers are ruffled, so to speak. The 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:08.959 DA put out this statement. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.040 Since December twenty twenty four, the Manhattan DA's office has 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.960 been tirelessly preparing to pursue a trial conviction in New 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.240 York State Supreme Court for the alleged cold blooded murder 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.800 of Brian Thompson. We are encouraged that mister Thompson's family 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.960 received a measure of accountability today. While federal sentencing is pending, 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.760 we are prepared to litigate the defense motions. The Manhattan's 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.440 DA office remains committed to seeking justice for mister Thompson 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:36.240 and his family. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.960 Or is that line in there? Federal sentence is a 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.320 measure of accountability, a measure. What they're saying is that 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.160 ain't good enough. So that's where we're coming in. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.280 We want him convicted of this murder. That's exactly what 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:49.800 they're saying. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.720 The family did put out a statement as well, saying 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.960 that the guilty plea marks an important step toward justice 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.240 for Brian and for our family. Nothing will use the 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.359 pain of losing him. We're grateful for the federal justice 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.760 system been holding him responsible for this heinous act. Now 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.520 we look to the court to ensure that sentencing reflects 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.480 the severity of this crime. We remain mindful that additional 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.840 proceedings in New York and Pennsylvania are still to come, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.200 and we continue to seek the justice Brian deserves. Robes. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.440 It sounds like they left room to be open for 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:20.600 the state case to go away. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.840 Yes, because they understand that it very likely might. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.400