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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Here's the game plan today? I

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Speaker 1: But first, you know, I gotta tell you about I'm

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Speaker 1: if you want to go to a baseball game, is

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Speaker 1: there anything better summer day? Get outside, take a buddy,

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Speaker 1: either gonna hand out or bag up. I'm the one

428
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: picking it up. That to me is insanity. It goes back,

429
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: and I told this story. I remember Drew Brees got

430
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: shame from picking up pizzas and not tipping. Yeah, he

431
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: drove there. It would be yeah, you could call him

432
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: a scumbag or whatever if you ordered ten pizzas to

433
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: his house for a party and didn't tip. But if

434
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: you order ten pizzas and I drive fifteen minutes, especially

435
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: at night in traffic, maybe why don't I just tip myself?

436
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the guy doing the work. So I

437
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: think this thing. Man, I don't know if there's putting

438
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: the cat back in the bag on this one, because

439
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a it's just kind of an

440
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: avalanche rolling down the hill, and everyone feels like they're

441
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: doing it. Everyone and I just think there used to

442
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: be a very distinctive line. Right you get your car washed.

443
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: You know the dudes that always like after it kind

444
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: of pulls out and they take their towels and they're

445
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: they're waxing and they're cleaning your tires if you have,

446
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: like I have a tahoe, so I have like rubber

447
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: bats in the back seat. I was like, hey, can

448
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: you pull those out? Give me twenty I've always said

449
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm a really good tipper. I was a good tipper

450
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: when I was poor. I was a good tipper as

451
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: a middle class young man, and I'm a good tipper now.

452
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: Life's going well. If you do a service, But fucking

453
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: you do no service. The consumer does a service, like

454
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm driving to you. So it's wild. I was thinking

455
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: about it today, like part of one thing I heard

456
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: someone saying, it's so true. Owning a home is, obviously,

457
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: I guess, financially important because historically homes have gun up

458
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: and value, But it is very, very expensive everything you

459
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: want to do, right. I when I remodeled this house,

460
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: I the blinds were so ugly. I told him to

461
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: rip them all out. So we haven't had blinds in

462
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: the house now it hasn't been summer, and the way

463
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: my house is situated, it's not that big a deal.

464
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: But you need to get blinds in the house, and

465
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I want to do some of those electric you know

466
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: where you press the button and they're motorized. So I've

467
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: had like three or four people bit home depot Costco.

468
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: It's insanity how much the bids are but Costco. And

469
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: this is why this company is dominating. It's like, well,

470
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pay, I mean a shitload of money

471
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: to get my house, which has to happen, some blinds

472
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: throughout the house, especially in the master bedroom, in the

473
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: living room. They have incentives like they give me cash back.

474
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: They pay me seventeen percent. If I spend twenty grand,

475
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: I get seventeen percent back to spend at the store.

476
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: And it's like all these other companies are asking me

477
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: to just give them money for no reason, even if

478
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: it's five, ten, twenty dollars. It adds up if you

479
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. So live in crazy world.

480
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: We really do. Other than that, I don't really have

481
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: a crazy fugazi Friday. I did see that Manhattan and

482
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: I think the Big cities because I saw this for

483
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: years in the Bay Area. When I first moved to

484
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, I lived, I lived in the city

485
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: for like a year and a half, and then my

486
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: roommate who owned the place got engaged getting married, so

487
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: I moved moved right across the Bay Bridge, and early

488
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: on in my radio career, I used to go in

489
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: periodically and I could drive into the city. The traffic,

490
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, wasn't that crazy,

491
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: And you'd go across the bridge, the Bay Bridge, which

492
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine maybe not now, but in its heyday,

493
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: pre twenty twenty, millions of people. When I first started

494
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: doing it was like three or four dollars, which listen

495
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: to become numb to it. It's a major city. Whatever

496
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I think Now it's like fourteen dollars I saw there

497
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: is it already passed. If you're gonna enter Manhattan in

498
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: a car between I think like six am to seven pm,

499
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: enter Manhattan, not like Park, just enter. I don't know

500
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the exact streets, but obviously there is a general you know,

501
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: based on you guys that live back there. No you know,

502
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: if you're out, you're in. I think it starts on

503
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: I read like Sixth Street. I don't know exactly where

504
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: it goes to. You have to pay fifteen dollars as

505
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: attacks just to drive around. I would say that this

506
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: is crazy, which it is, but I also think it's

507
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: only the beginning. In these big cities, you are literally

508
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: going to have to pay to just be there. Think

509
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: how insane that is. I've never driven in New York.

510
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I know some of you. Depending on the time of day,

511
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: it's not as crazy. It's always felt crazy when I've

512
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: watched on the movies. I've been there a couple of times,

513
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: but when you go in by train, it's hard to

514
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: get a feel for how it would be driving in

515
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: the city. You know, San Francisco, Philadelphia, those cities aren't

516
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: tough to drive in. I think it's fair to say

517
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: New York's probably one of the toughest cities to drive in,

518
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: but obviously people live in the city. You just to

519
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: drive around fifteen dollars. Where is that money going to

520
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: go to?

521
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: Where?

522
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: The answer is get wasted? Okay, live here from the

523
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: combine with uh And I'm not just saying this because

524
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: he's sitting here. Someone I always admired as a team

525
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: builder who drafted a lot of Pro Bowl, All Pro

526
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Impact players GM in the NFL for over a decade,

527
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: and I asked, I said, Rick, Rick Spielman, how are

528
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: you not a GM right now? And you tell me, no, Moss,

529
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: you're retired now.

530
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 5: My wife made that decision, but we ended up retiring

531
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: down in Florida and found out that how much I

532
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: didn't hate the media but had to go in front

533
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 5: of these press conferences when I was a GM, and

534
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: then over the last two years being on the media side,

535
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: and how much I've enjoyed that even more than I

536
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: anticipated that I would.

537
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: And it's funny. You live in a bubble when.

538
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: You're running a team or you're a general manager of

539
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: a football team, But when you're on this side of it,

540
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 5: you get an opportunity, even though.

541
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: It's a little bit, see it all, see it all.

542
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 5: And have to understand a little bit about each team,

543
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 5: and you get an opportunity to see the personalities of

544
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: general managers, how they build teams. And so it's been

545
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: fascinating to me and thoroughly enjoyed it.

546
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, when I say the Spielman name, I think football guys.

547
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean you come from a football family, obviously, you

548
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: know these guys because you've done deals with them. Is

549
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: your relationship now with the gms and the coaches feel

550
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: a little different now because you're not a competitor. You

551
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: can talk to them maybe a little more openly about.

552
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm never going to call and ask them

553
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: about any kind of I'm not an insider, no, but

554
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 5: just picking your brains like people know how many training

555
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: camps I've been invited to come in and got an

556
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: opportunity to come up and visit us and just sharing

557
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 5: different ideas And I don't know how many calls I

558
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: get during the season on something that pops up, just

559
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: asking advice. And the one thing that after being in

560
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: at thirty some years, the thing that I enjoy the

561
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: most is sharing some experiences and things that I screwed

562
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: up that I can maybe share on maybe look at

563
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: it doing it differently this way.

564
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Well, I guess most personnel guys you know, aspire to

565
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: be a GM. You get to that spot and you're good.

566
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not that old. Beside your wife obviously

567
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: wants more time with you. What is just retired gut

568
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: feeling or you just kind of know ready for change,

569
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: it's just you still People want you.

570
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know that, but it's just that price

571
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: goes up. You know, who knows what holds in the future.

572
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 5: But I know where I am in my life right now,

573
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: and just my wife and family have sacrificed so much

574
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: for thirty some years that you're I'm never home seven

575
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: days a week during a season, seven days a week

576
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: during the off season. My wife said, you know how

577
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: many weekends you took off in a year. She counted

578
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: four that I wasn't in the office July and that

579
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: was it and that was after mini camps. So to

580
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 5: get an opportunity to maybe give her some time, give

581
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 5: my kids, even though they're all older now sometime. You know,

582
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: we adopted six kids, and I have a special needs

583
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: daughter and to be that's awesome a part of her

584
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: life that.

585
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to do.

586
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Sorry I shoked up on this.

587
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's part of that thing. Yeah.

588
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: So I want to be a dad. Yeah, and still

589
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: get old. She's twenty two now. We adopted her seven

590
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: months old.

591
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

592
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: But like I said, to be a family guy. And

593
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: it's so important to me and my wife to all

594
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: the sacrifices they made for me.

595
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Maybe it's time to give back for sure.

596
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: And it's not like you don't play a role. I mean,

597
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say famously, but I mean it

598
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: was a headline story. You and Bob Myers played a

599
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: role in the Washington coaching search and GM search. Tell

600
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: me how that materialized and just what was truly your

601
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: role in that?

602
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to be it an advisor, I know when

603
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 5: I got a call was just out of the blue

604
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: and magic. No, it was from Bob Myers who Josh

605
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: Harris was looking for a football guy to come into

606
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 5: the group to work with Bob and him, and somehow

607
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 5: my name was recommended very highly by numerous sources out there,

608
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: so they asked me to come in. I went in

609
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: and visited with Josh Harris at his home, probably a

610
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: small home Hume, Yeah, for about two and a half hours.

611
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 5: And then he said it was right before the season ended.

612
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: I didn't know they were going to make a change,

613
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 5: but they were just getting prepared and he told me,

614
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: if we do decide to go a different direction, we

615
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: would like you to be a part of the search committee.

616
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 5: So knowing the resources and the sources that I have

617
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: and I have a lot of personal relationships with a

618
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 5: lot of these guys, so it was great to get

619
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 5: back involved in that. In fact, it got the juices

620
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: flowing pretty good. But during that whole process and going

621
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: through the GM process, I was just given my recommendations,

622
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: my strengths, my weaknesses. But once we got Adam Peters

623
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: in place, who to me, was more than ready to

624
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: be a general manager when he's been through in New

625
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 5: England and then seeing how they won championships in Denver

626
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 5: than what they've done out in San Francisco, he was

627
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: just ready for this opportunity. And I think it was

628
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: a great hire that Josh Harris made. And then we

629
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: got into the coaching search and gave my opinions on that,

630
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 5: but that was Adam's decision and Josh's decision. It's like

631
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: when you're sitting in a draft meeting and you're a

632
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: scout and you say, I can tell you the strengths

633
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 5: and weaknesses, but I don't have to make that decision.

634
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: The decision makers will make that. So any way I

635
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: could contribute. The one thing I did tell Adam was

636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 5: that I can tell you what I think, but I'm

637
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 5: not going to be you know, put it marrying the

638
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: guy you and this guy are going to have to

639
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 5: work together. So you have to pick the best match

640
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: for you and the best match for Josh Harris, and

641
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 5: I think they did that with DQ.

642
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, let's start with Adam. I mean, I'm biased. I've

643
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: known him for fifteen plus years. I think easily he

644
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Speaker 1: was the most qualified guy for a couple of years

645
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: now what he's been a part of. But to me

646
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Speaker 1: that the separation for him is the person out in

647
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Speaker 1: the league. Let's face it, a lot of people tuck

648
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Speaker 1: themselves up used agents. Adam's not really like that growing league,

649
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: which is as a powerful strength to have I think

650
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: the Niners had. You know, Kyle's not really like that.

651
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: John Lynch isn't like that, Belichick's not like that. A

652
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: lot of the old school guys are not. Andy Reid's

653
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: not like that. And I've been singing his praises for years.

654
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: But you basically scouted him, Yes, and you've sat in

655
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: that seat. Tell me you're just scouting report on Adam

656
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: Peters and why you think he'll be successful.

657
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no question about his pedigree and all the

658
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: successful things that he has seen through his career through

659
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: many great organizations. But you pointed out to me. What

660
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Speaker 5: appealed me to most is there's no ego. It's not

661
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: this is Adam Peters and I am you know, DM

662
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: blah blah blah Alls. He wants to do is get

663
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Speaker 5: his opportunity, utilize the strengths he has. There's no question

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Speaker 5: about his personality evaluations. But he had a very good

665
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: handle on all the other things that come along with

666
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Speaker 5: a GM right now, whether that is handling sports science,

667
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 5: whether that's mental health, whether that's video. You have a

668
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: lot more things coming at you right now than just personnel.

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Speaker 5: When I first started, that was the main job scout.

670
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 5: By the time I ended, I was maybe twenty percent personnel.

671
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: So you have to have a strong staff around you.

672
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Speaker 5: And you know I talked to John. I know John

673
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 5: very well Lynch, and you know I kind of equated

674
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Speaker 5: to do well. How George Peyton hung with me for

675
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: so many years before he got the opportunity out in Denver,

676
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: and I couldn't have been as successful as we were

677
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Speaker 5: in Minnesota without a George Peyton by my side to

678
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Speaker 5: handle the day to day sometimes operations of personnel, like

679
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to sit there, who's on the short list,

680
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 5: who we're bringing in the workout on Tuesday.

681
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: Let people in place to do that.

682
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Speaker 5: And if you, as a leader can put people in

683
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Speaker 5: their areas of expertise, whether it's sports science, whether it's video,

684
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Speaker 5: whether it's analytics, give them the opportunity to do their

685
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: jobs and let them make you.

686
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Speaker 1: You know one thing, and I do believe in this.

687
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I do think it's in vogues, probably even the wrong

688
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: way to put it. But most people are looking for

689
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: offensive head coaches, you know, because when that guy starts

690
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Speaker 1: having success, when he's a coordinator, and you dealt with

691
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: this in Minnesota, you lose him, right right, Andy Reid

692
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: can't lose the play caller Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay. But

693
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: you had success hiring a defensive guy and Mike Zimmer

694
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: right now, if you hire a high level defensive guy,

695
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: you know they're still going to be dependent on their

696
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. But if that quarterback has success, that guy

697
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: is going to get a head coaching job. Obviously, Adam

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Speaker 1: hires Dan Quinn. You know, just your thoughts on that

699
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of just theory that you gotta go offense the

700
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: defense is out of vogue. What are your thoughts and

701
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: takes on that.

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Speaker 5: I think that's absolutely the wrong way to approach it.

703
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: I think, hire who's going to be the best leader.

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Speaker 5: And I talked to my brother Chris when he was

705
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: in a process up in Detroit, and they hired Dan Campbell.

706
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: A natural born leader.

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00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And to me, and I don't know, I'd haven't done

709
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Speaker 5: any research on it, but it seems like these former

710
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 5: players Demiko Ryans that were very good football players in

711
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 5: the NFL, but great people and great leaders of their

712
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: team seem to have success when he had become head coaches.

713
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: And they're smart enough to know, as any leader is

714
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: put great people around you. And if you are a

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Speaker 5: defensive guy and you can go out and get and Dan,

716
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Speaker 5: I thought, went out and got a great hire in

717
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Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury. Well if he gets another opportunity to be

718
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 5: a head coach. And I talked yesterday to Zach Taylor

719
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Speaker 5: about this. When Brian Callahan left, they have a plan

720
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Speaker 5: in place, so they brought up Dan Pritcher as their

721
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 5: new offensive coordinator. Well, he's been there five or six years,

722
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Speaker 5: start out assistant quarterback coach, quarterback coach. Next thing you know,

723
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Speaker 5: he's ready. So to me, it's just like personnel, you

724
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 5: develop talent on your roster. Well, I think one of

725
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 5: the critical factors and I think what's stuck out about

726
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: d Q will get the bed best head coaches. But

727
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: it's also my job to make sure we're bringing in

728
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: the next generation young guys that can learn from these

729
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: guys so that if we do lose him, which is great,

730
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Speaker 5: to go get other head coaching opportunities. We can look externally,

731
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Speaker 5: but we also huff guys that we've been developed developing

732
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Speaker 5: over the last five or six years.

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Speaker 1: So give me this skutty report. Then on Dan Quinn

734
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Speaker 1: from your perspective.

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Speaker 5: Dan Quinn and dan Quinn worked with me in Miami

736
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Speaker 5: when I was down with the Dolphins. He was a

737
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: d line coach for Nick Saban, So I'd known Dan

738
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Speaker 5: for a long long time.

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Speaker 3: And you know what he did speaks for itself. In Atlanta.

740
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Speaker 3: You know they got to the Super Bowl.

741
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Speaker 1: Uh, we're winning.

742
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: There's no question about his leadership, the energy he brings

743
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Speaker 5: into building. Look what he did with Dallas's defense when

744
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 5: he took over. His defensive coordinator didn't and you know,

745
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 5: probably the way he wanted in that Green Bay game.

746
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Speaker 5: But look at the whole pitcher and how he changed

747
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: that franchise because of the way they were playing defense.

748
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Speaker 5: The thing that stuck out about dan Quinn to me

749
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 5: the most was that when he was let go as

750
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Speaker 5: the Atlanta had coach, it wasn't oh woe is me?

751
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 5: He actually wanted to find out what his blind spots were,

752
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 5: and when he identified those, he went to experts in

753
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: those specific areas. How can I get better in this

754
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Speaker 5: area so the next time I get my opportunity, I'm

755
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 5: even going to be a better head coach. And when

756
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: you compare, will you compare Adam Peters, who's more than

757
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 5: ready but first time general manager is going to be

758
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: learning a little bit, and a dan Quinn it has

759
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: had some experience. Both of them do not have egos.

760
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 5: They just want to do what's best for the commanders.

761
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Speaker 5: That's to me a great combination.

762
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk combine. Obviously, you know from Justin Jefferson

763
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: most recently, but Harrison Smith, the Kendricks, I mean a

764
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: lot of good players over the years, a lot of

765
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: impact guys, the playoff teams. He signed Kirk Cousins, this

766
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: period of time, balancing free agency, getting ready for let's

767
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: start there. This week dealing with agents and getting a vibe.

768
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: How important is that to get numbers, to get value

769
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: on potential trades to the value of your own guys.

770
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's most of the time you're meeting with your

771
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 5: own Well you're technically only allowed to meet with your own.

772
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Player, yes, but they represent others.

773
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Speaker 5: I didn't I would not know that, but but it's

774
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 5: like plus, especially this season with a lot of potential

775
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 5: franchise Tag is going to be hitting some of these guys.

776
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: But this is kind of the initial meeting with the

777
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 5: agent because they're in town as well. You may have

778
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 5: had a couple of phone conversations and hey, we're putting

779
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: together our off season plan right now, we're finishing up

780
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: our draft meetings. You know, the GMS tied up in

781
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 5: free agent meetings, but we'll meet down at the combine.

782
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: So those meetings usually start around this time. The thing

783
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 5: that's interesting is everybody's asking for X and is it

784
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 5: truly Are they going to be able to get X?

785
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 5: Everybody says they're going to be able to get X

786
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: amount of money.

787
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: But you don't know.

788
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 5: But you get a really good sense of where the

789
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: market's going to be on these guys. Once you figure

790
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 5: out who's actually going to be on the market. And

791
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: then the second part of it is is the best

792
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 5: thing the NFL did was put in this legal tampering

793
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 5: period where you could actually start negotiating serious numbers with

794
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 5: other players free agents and really start to get a

795
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 5: sense of, yeah, where this market is going to go.

796
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: So if you have a player and you're going to

797
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: go meet, let's just use him hypothetically Justin Jefferson, do

798
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: you bring your CAP guy with you for the meeting

799
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: with his agent or can you just as the GM

800
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: loosely handle that and then getting the nitty gritty pass

801
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: them off work.

802
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 5: We always felt you had to work together as a team,

803
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: and you bring your guy with you, Yeah, our cap guy,

804
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: our you know, George or system GM, whoever it was,

805
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: come in and to have those initial conversations and to

806
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 5: kind of see where this market is probably going to be.

807
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 5: And I can't imagine where it's going to be for

808
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: Justin when that time comes.

809
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: But I'm not an expert as a CAP.

810
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: I know the CAP, I know contracts, but I pay

811
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 5: a guy pretty good money, yeah to be an expert

812
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: in that area. That's why I'm getting back to is

813
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 5: hire people that are experts in those areas and be

814
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 5: able to communicate across all those platforms, so I can

815
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: bridge the coaches, I can bridge the personnel, I can

816
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 5: bridge the financial piece together, so I can relate that

817
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: this is what the picture looks like when I'm talking

818
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 5: to the ownership group.

819
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: So but that's important for.

820
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Speaker 5: Me at least to have my top people in there

821
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Speaker 5: when we're talking, even when we were in draft meetings,

822
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 5: even when we were in free agent meetings. I want

823
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 5: them to hear what the plan potentially can be so

824
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 5: they can start.

825
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Turning their everyone's on the same page.

826
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: And everybody's on the same page. Forts and then.

827
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the draft players. I've been in those

828
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: meetings over in the railroad. You're the decision maker, though,

829
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: I think what's unique for a GM now your coach

830
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: is involved. They haven't watched these guys, right, They've been working,

831
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: especially if you're a playoff team, right, but you've maybe

832
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: not met them, if you haven't done a school call,

833
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: but you've seen them, you have a pretty good idea

834
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: of them as a player. Obviously, the information is that

835
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: balance of when a kid walks in you and the

836
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: head coach, you're gonna know him a lot better than

837
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: the coach because he has probably hasn't watched them. How

838
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: do you balance their first meeting is a personal meeting,

839
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: not based on the tape good or bad.

840
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 5: Is that tough for your coaches? No, because we always

841
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 5: had a plan in place. I think one year I

842
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 5: counted we had ninety five people here at the combine Jesus, So.

843
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: That's organizing a lot of people.

844
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 5: But everybody had a specific role and a specific job

845
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 5: they had to do to get the information they needed

846
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 5: while we were down here. But the coaches are just

847
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 5: getting started, a lot of times, the coaches will go,

848
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 5: especially with the technology today, put maybe a ten play

849
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 5: cut up a good and bad on this player, and

850
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 5: I know you haven't studied him yet, but let's get

851
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 5: this place field.

852
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get him in.

853
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 5: Front of the and let's hear him as you're going

854
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: to coach him and see how he responds. A lot

855
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 5: of it may be in these foremos. Well, we're not

856
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 5: going to get the football. We'll circle back on that.

857
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: We have some off field issues that we definitely have

858
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 5: to address.

859
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: Coaches may not be in in that.

860
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: If a kid's clean, coming in and I said, listen,

861
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: we're fine with him character wise, but start talking to

862
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 5: him about football. Let's get a sense for him on

863
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: how he learns. I mean, it's easy. You may not

864
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: know the kid, but you can put install something up

865
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 5: on a board and see how he recalls that. Just

866
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: some things to get the coaches initially introduced to these kids.

867
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: So when you're dealing with a clean guy, pick one

868
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: of your former vikings is Harrison Smith. Would he fall

869
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: under that?

870
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 3: I would say, he's pretty clean. So he was so clean.

871
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 3: I don't think we talked to him after the Senior Bowl.

872
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Would you even waste a meeting on a guy that's

873
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: super clean. We'd been more of your time on guys

874
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: you had questions, but I.

875
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: Was with you.

876
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: I don't think we even met with him because we

877
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: coached that year in the Senior Bowl. Yeah, so next

878
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 5: time he heard from us was when we moved up

879
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 5: to get him in the draft.

880
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: So of your sixty formal, are you trying to spend

881
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: most on guys that you might have a question mark

882
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: that you do like as a player.

883
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of the time.

884
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: If you're going to get an opportunity in this setting,

885
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: let's get the guys that we have questions. We can

886
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 5: always circle back on guys, or we can do zooms

887
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 5: with guys because since the pandemic, the zoom's been a

888
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 5: huge tool.

889
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: So but guys that maybe.

890
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: Learning came up with from one of our scouts that

891
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 5: we need to really dive into this next fifteen minutes

892
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 5: and get a sense if he can learn our system

893
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 5: or not learn our system, or the character thing or

894
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 5: some other thing. Other times it's just hey, let's get

895
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 5: to know the kid, and let's put some tape on

896
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: and let's hear them talk football. I'd love to see

897
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: how much recall they had from what they did offensively. Hey,

898
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 5: what was this call? This play out for us? What

899
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: was your responsibility? See if an offensive lineman A lot

900
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 5: of them don't need to know that, but what is

901
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 5: the running back doing in this protection? So there's just

902
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 5: a lot of different ways, like I said, to get

903
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 5: to know these guys. But when we picked our sixty,

904
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: I think it's down to forty five this year, there

905
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 5: was a specific plan, an individualized plan for each guy

906
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 5: coming in.

907
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: So were there any non negotiables for you or you

908
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: have to be pretty open minded as a tunty that I.

909
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 5: Think when we came in it was everything open minded,

910
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 5: and then once we got back and we got into

911
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: our April meetings, then it's like, let's not make any

912
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: decisions yet. Drafts still, you know, two months away. But

913
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: when you get into your draft meetings and then it's like,

914
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 5: is this guy a character guy for example, that we

915
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 5: want or we don't. If we don't want him, then

916
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: we're going to take him off the board, regardless of

917
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 5: how good a player he is. But I don't make

918
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 5: that determination yet. I'm wait till we go through the

919
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 5: whole process, and then when we finalize the board, whether

920
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 5: it's a character situation, a medical situation, then we'll make

921
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 5: that determination.

922
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: Right before the draft, was.

923
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: There something that was consistent throughout all your Pro Bowl

924
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: level draft picks that looking back that like no wonder.

925
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, what was fascinating to me? And I

926
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: thought we did a really good job. Eight years ago

927
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: we really started getting into the analytics piece, and I

928
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 5: was fascinated. I always wanted to try to figure out

929
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: how can we get some kind of competitive advantage, and

930
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: so we got into not like, for example, most Pro

931
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 5: Bowl receivers out of one of the psychological tests that

932
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 5: we use has the highest rated social maturity score out

933
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 5: of any other position.

934
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: So that became a critical piece for us.

935
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 5: So when we waited when they did their algorithms, social

936
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: maturity for a receiver was waited more than maybe for

937
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: another position.

938
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: How do you quantify that?

939
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have to quantify that.

940
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 5: The people that are doing the algorithms after so they

941
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 5: go back tests that the last fifteen to twenty years

942
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 5: of using this company and all the scores we had

943
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 5: in this area.

944
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: So is it like a sand rise test almost they're taking.

945
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: It was HRT human tactical sources, which military, and so

946
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: we kind of tailored a lot of things because I

947
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 5: worked with him so long to what fit the Minnesota vikings.

948
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: Even though we got the standard you know, the tests

949
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 5: that they get. The other thing that was interesting, like

950
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 5: for a corner, everybody's worried about the forty. Well, for

951
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: us and our analytics people pointed out at the time,

952
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 5: it was a flying twenty from the twenty to forty.

953
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 5: The faster that was, the more success they potentially would

954
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 5: have as a corner in the league. So they did

955
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 5: a lot of different things to chop it up, whether

956
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 5: it's in a psychological The intelligence where I made mistakes

957
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 5: on certain positions is I thought you had to be smart,

958
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 5: but I forgot the mental quickness piece. How quickly can

959
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 5: they process so a player can go up there and

960
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 5: sound like he invented football or he invented offense or

961
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 5: defense depending you know, sitting at there drawing the x's

962
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: and no's, regurgitate back what the coaches just said and

963
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 5: even do it better, which is great. And I was like, Okay,

964
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 5: this guy is going to be a no brain or

965
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: but you have to remember they have to do that

966
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 5: in two and a half seconds or less. So how

967
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: do you measure where I made mistakes? Because I always

968
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: wanted to go back and reassess if we did make

969
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: a mistake, how do we measure that mental quickness? So

970
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: I got all the people that are involved in that

971
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 5: aspect come up with the ways so we don't make

972
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 5: the same mistake twice.

973
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: You kind of touched on it there, But is there

974
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: something consistent with guys you missed on over the years.

975
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: You think it's different in.

976
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 5: My position, So that's what it wasn't just okay, But

977
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, you always have to no

978
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 5: matter all the other tools that help you make decisions.

979
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 5: It's always going to come down to what you see,

980
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: and it's going to come down to how much do

981
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 5: they truly love to play the game? Those are the

982
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: two things. If they were passioned for the game, at

983
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 5: least they had a chance to have a chance.

984
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: How did you quantify that during the scouting process?

985
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 5: The best thing, I guess if you want to just

986
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, going through all the tests

987
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: and they could come up with things.

988
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: I just love to see if the guy likes to

989
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: play hard.

990
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: Did I make it simple that I have fun watching

991
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 5: him play on tape?

992
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: Or was this guy couldn't.

993
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: Wait till this Eric Hendrick's pretty clear he like play football. Yeah,

994
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: so there was no question. I enjoyed watching him play

995
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: the game of football. I enjoyed watching his effort. I

996
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 4: enjoyed watching the energy that he plays with. To me,

997
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: that was like, I just I see that with my eyes.

998
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 5: I know what you may be saying with these numbers,

999
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: but this guy loves ball.

1000
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: Well why do you think? I mean that famous video

1001
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: of when I think it might have been the COVID

1002
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: draft and you guys were all at home when Justin

1003
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Jefferson's not the pick, and he's you guys have a chance,

1004
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: and you guys go nuts.

1005
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: Didn't go nuts but in the video, but you were

1006
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: excited exciting.

1007
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: So but now we look back and we go, how

1008
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: the hell does Justin Jefferson last of what was it

1009
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: twenty two? How is that possible? Why do you think

1010
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: so consistently? Because I always say this, what happens to

1011
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: the combine helps determine your market value. It's like a home,

1012
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: right right, how many rooms you have, how big is

1013
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: the kitchen? That's what the help. But it doesn't determine

1014
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: how much you're gonna like once you live there. Where

1015
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: you get drafted does not ultimately determine your success. But

1016
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: we often look back, though, how DeVante Adams go in

1017
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: the second round? Well, ran a little slow, played in

1018
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: a small school, justin Jefferson's at LSU on this powerhouse team.

1019
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: Was it just people simply didn't think he could play outside? Like,

1020
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: what do you think him specifically?

1021
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: I wish I had the answer to that.

1022
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: I can tell you have you like, I think this

1023
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: is one of the best players in the draft.

1024
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did like him on our draft board, clearly,

1025
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 5: but it's still everybody sees things differently, and no matter

1026
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 5: how many objective measurements you try to get, whether it's

1027
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 5: the analytics, all the stuff we do here, the medical analytics.

1028
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: You know, we got his deepest who did the surgery?

1029
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 3: And what's the success rate of the surgery?

1030
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: Of drafting a high and paying a lot of money.

1031
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 5: So, but it all comes down it's still a subjective decision.

1032
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 5: And if someone had the right answer all the time,

1033
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: none of us I made plenty of mistakes as well.

1034
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 5: None of us are going to have the right answer

1035
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: because it's still a subjective decision. But what I learned

1036
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 5: if you can take all the resources you have and

1037
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 5: minimize your risk to make that subjective decision as small

1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 5: as you can, and then let the dice roll, and

1039
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 5: sometimes it's lucky in the draft.

1040
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I remember my first draft.

1041
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 5: I was sitting there sweating bullets and where he's going

1042
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 5: to go trade up for Adrian or we're just going

1043
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 5: to see if we let them fall. I made a

1044
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 5: decision on the clock to let them fall to us,

1045
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 5: and I thought, man, this may be the last draft

1046
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: I ever have with the Minnesota Vikings.

1047
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and.

1048
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 5: Six, or seven, and fortunately that year the draft board

1049
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 5: failed us, Adrian failed us, and the rest of it.

1050
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 5: There's been times though that sometimes you wait and you

1051
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 5: lose a guy.

1052
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes people will jump you, some guys you move back.

1053
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: But to me, that's part of getting ready for the draft,

1054
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 5: not only knowing these players, but also knowing other teams needs.

1055
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: And you know, we moved up, I believe it to

1056
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: get a Dalvin Cook. So it was like, well, where's

1057
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 5: the threat we stay here? Are there teams ahead of

1058
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 5: us or anyone right below us that may jump us

1059
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 5: because they need that position. So you try to assess

1060
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 5: those risks as well and hopefully, you know, come out

1061
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 5: with the best decisions, and sometimes it falls your way.

1062
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't.

1063
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: How many Pro bowlers do you draft? You know the number?

1064
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 5: I think over twenty some I think I don't know

1065
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 5: the numbers. Someone told me that one.

1066
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of good players. And let's

1067
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: end on this that one of the I would say

1068
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: most talked about contracts of all time you were part

1069
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: of and Kirk Cousins because it was a fully guaranteed deal.

1070
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember at the time. Did you take

1071
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: heat for that?

1072
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

1073
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and a lot of the player I didn't

1074
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: say that one age pretty well, it's a pretty darn

1075
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, I think tell me about that process

1076
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: looking back.

1077
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 5: No, because we went to I believe we just lost

1078
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 5: the NFC Chances Eagles game to the Eagles. So we

1079
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Speaker 5: were saying in case had a magical year, of course,

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 5: and so that was a tough decision. But when does

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00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 5: a Kirk Cousins get out on the open market?

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Never happens.

1083
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: So when a.

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00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 5: Player of that caliber, at that position, at that age

1085
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 5: get out on the open market, and then you know

1086
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 5: that there are other teams that are going to give

1087
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 5: him that same deal or more money, yes, right, Well

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: I don't know, I can't. You know, you hear things,

1089
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 5: but I don't know who. But I knew that he

1090
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 5: was going to get what he wanted because of the

1091
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 5: position and because of what type of player he was.

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00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: The risk was as much as and he took a

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00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 5: risk too. I mean, he's a great businessman. You see

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 5: how much he's you know a lot of money tize.

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00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 5: But he did a short term deal so it was

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00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 5: a less risk one which is peanuts.

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Speaker 1: Today teams would do cartwheels to sign that contract, right, now.

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00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to see where that market goes.

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 5: So it was a deal that we fully did guarantee

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 5: that contract, but it was such a well we had

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00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 5: done it for another position, probably not, but because of

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 5: was the player, and because it was the position, and

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 5: because we were where we were at as a football team,

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00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 5: we thought it was the best decision.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got to a couple more questions on quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Have you evaluated this crop, guys, what are your thoughts?

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00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: I think it's a very deep class, and you know,

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00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 5: you can talk about the big three. It's amazing to me.

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00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, let's talk about him. I mean, yeah, I

1110
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 5: think he's a unique player. Watching him, there's no question

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00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: about the arm talent. Some of the throws that he

1112
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: makes on tape, you're like, did he actually make that?

1113
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 5: You run it back three or four times just to

1114
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 5: make sure you saw what you saw. In the athleticism,

1115
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 5: everything checks the box, you know, everybody holds the ball

1116
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: a little too long, everybody's going to force things that

1117
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 5: aren't there. The thing that really stuck out to me

1118
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: the most was that Notre Dame game, when it was

1119
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 5: probably the worst game I've seen him play in the

1120
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 5: first half. I think he threw a couple of interceptions.

1121
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: Was trying to stross the ball.

1122
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 5: But when I just took that out and just watched

1123
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 5: the second half, it didn't phase him.

1124
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: In the second half. It didn't carry over.

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00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: He actually played very well the second half and looked

1126
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: more like the old So that told me that I

1127
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 5: know this guy played a crap first half or maybe

1128
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: not up to his standards, but it didn't affect him

1129
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 5: going out the second half. They still lost the game,

1130
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 5: but at least he came out and played, kept swinging,

1131
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 5: kept swinging. It didn't stop. And then you look at

1132
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 5: Drake really quick.

1133
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Speaker 1: On Caleb, you know, I would say, beside Luck, Trevor

1134
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: was the most type prospect. Would you say he's a

1135
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: better prospect than Trevor coming out or Trevor a little cleaner.

1136
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I don't know. I knew everything

1137
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 5: about Trevor because I was in the front.

1138
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm just talking the player, Yeah, Trevor.

1139
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 5: But you know, I think Caleb's got a chance to

1140
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 5: be a unique prospect.

1141
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: Height doesn't scare you.

1142
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what he is yet.

1143
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, six' one is pretty clear.

1144
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: I know this game.

1145
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: Now, the NFL game is all space, and how many quarterbacks, yeah,

1146
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 5: are are successful because of the space in the way

1147
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 5: that offenses.

1148
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: Have evolved, So height less important.

1149
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 5: I think so because I don't see him getting any

1150
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 5: balls bad did the line of scrimmage? True, he knows

1151
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 5: how to move in the pocket to find open windows

1152
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 5: and make all the throes.

1153
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 3: He's going to have to make it this level.

1154
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: Well, Drake may Height's not an issue. He's big.

1155
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: I think his biggest problem this year was he didn't

1156
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 5: have the same offensive line, he didn't have the same

1157
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 5: playmakers around him, and he almost tried to do too much.

1158
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 5: But I think he has tremendous upside. It's going to

1159
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 5: be a great player as well. Jayden Daniels maybe the

1160
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 5: biggest jump since Joe Burrow. Crazy though, same school, so yeah.

1161
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 3: And Arizona State. You were like, who the heck's this guy?

1162
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 5: And then he goes to LSU and it's like we

1163
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 5: had to do a summer scouting. So I looked at

1164
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 5: him the year before and I said, yeah, third fourth rounder,

1165
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 5: maybe pretty good athlete, needs to improve, you know mechannigs

1166
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: and a little bit of accuracy. And then this year,

1167
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Speaker 5: what he did was incredible and another example.

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Speaker 3: Of a guy.

1169
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 5: That you would never guess what you've seen on tape

1170
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 5: the year before excuse me comes up and maybe the

1171
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 5: second or third player off the board this year.

1172
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Speaker 1: What about playing with those two wide receivers? Is that scarier?

1173
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: Is that? I mean two guys?

1174
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Jefferson and Chase that does that scarier?

1175
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: Not that he doesn't bother you at all.

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01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 5: They still have to make the throws, They still have

1177
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 5: to go through the decisions you watch. The game that

1178
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Speaker 5: stuck out to me the most was the Florida game

1179
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 5: when you see him running around like it was Yeah,

1180
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 5: it was nothing against Florida. They have some pretty good athletes.

1181
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 5: It's the sec but the way he ran up and

1182
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 5: down the field, I've never seen a guy move as

1183
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 5: athletic as that since Lamar Jackson.

1184
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Speaker 1: You know, if you watch Pennix against Texas, now their

1185
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: defense isn't great, he looks like incredible, right, And then

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01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: you watch him against Michigan, which if you look at

1187
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: the combine, they're clearly an NFL level team and you know,

1188
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: talent wise, he got rocked a little bit. And it

1189
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: was the same thing with Oregon, who has a lot

1190
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Speaker 1: of NFL guys. He was by the end of the game,

1191
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: he's struggling to get up. I love him, But then

1192
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: you watch those like that's kind of the NFL Oregon

1193
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: in Michigan, not as much Texas. On defense. Where did

1194
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: you stand on him? Because he throws a beautiful ball.

1195
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 5: No, I think he's maybe the best deep ball thrower

1196
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 5: in this class by far his athletic as some of

1197
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Speaker 5: these other guys. The experience, but you know, you just

1198
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 5: have to remember you don't take that last impression of

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Speaker 5: that game.

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Speaker 3: Can't overreact and can't overreact, just like you can't overreact.

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Speaker 5: You guys not very good all year, and all of

1202
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 5: a sudden he throws up incredible numbers.

1203
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: For one game. Well that's who he is.

1204
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you always have to make sure that you don't

1205
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 5: let your emotion balance it and go look at the

1206
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 5: whole pitcher and come up with your assessment that way.

1207
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Speaker 1: And last but not least, JJ McCarthy love JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: The reason I you know, everybody's like, well, he's in

1209
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: the offense. You know, he doesn't have to throw all

1210
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 5: these others.

1211
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Speaker 3: He just wins.

1212
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Speaker 5: But the game that stuck out to me the most

1213
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 5: two games this year, which against I don't understand the

1214
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 5: bowling Green Falcons. I'm watching him throw three interceptions and

1215
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 5: I was saying, this is just unfalcon believable what I'm saying.

1216
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 5: But then I go and watch him against TCU and

1217
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 5: a shoe out where he had to throw the ball

1218
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 5: thirty plus times, and the throws that he made in

1219
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 5: that semi final game, even though TCU end up winning

1220
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 5: going to national championship, that told me everything I needed

1221
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 5: to see about, or say about or see it with

1222
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Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy top ten pick to you, I don't know,

1223
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 5: it'll be interesting. I think he's going to shine it.

1224
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: Say for you personally, do you think he's that there's

1225
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: more of like a longer term when you I.

1226
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 5: Don't know if he's ready to jump day one as

1227
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 5: a starter, if he can get in a situation where

1228
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 5: he can learn and grow. But I think he is

1229
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 5: definitely a top fifteen pick for sure.

1230
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Speaker 1: Does the red shirt thing even exists anymore?

1231
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: No, I don't even know what that means.

1232
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Well, Rick, I really appreciate it. And

1233
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Speaker 1: happy retirement. Yes, thank you, Okay, middlecoff mail bag time

1234
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: fire in those DMS at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff

1235
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: get your question answered here on the show Sports Management

1236
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: Major and a class we talked about at Dartmouth University

1237
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: basketball trying to unionize. Do you think this is stupid?

1238
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: If any of the football teams unionize, they'll end up

1239
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: having a CBA agreement with the NC DOUBLEA. Wouldn't there

1240
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: end up being a salary cap and a limit on

1241
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: money athletes can get? Or is it the right thing

1242
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: to do in the NC DOUBLEA? Should just copy the NFL? Well,

1243
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,479
Speaker 1: I guess in the NFL this salary cap has nothing

1244
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: to do with how much Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelcey

1245
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: or any player off the field can make. I don't

1246
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: know enough about the details of the unionization. It does

1247
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: feel inevitable if you just feel where things have started

1248
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: and where they're going that there will be athletes put

1249
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: on salary. I would say the difference is in the

1250
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: NFL it feels like it's I was gonna say it's

1251
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: they're more valuable. But like if you're the starting guard

1252
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: on Penn State, you might be the least valuable guy

1253
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: in your starting unit, but you're still you have value.

1254
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: You're starting I think it would be more complicated. The

1255
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: other thing in the NFL is football is independent. Right

1256
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: If I own the Arizona Cardinals, I don't also have

1257
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: an athletic department where I have these countless other sports.

1258
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: Athletic departments are not normal businesses. Two sports make any money. Obviously.

1259
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: There are some schools in women's basketball make money as

1260
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: well now, but the overwhelming majority of Division IE Power

1261
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: five programs, their football team makes the overwhelming percentage of

1262
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: the cash. Basketball team makes some money, and depending on

1263
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: where you are, a women's basketball team can make some money.

1264
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: But all these like softball, baseball, soccer, swimming, I mean,

1265
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: these sports all lose money. But because of Title nine

1266
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: and these scholarship requirements, so it's not a normal business.

1267
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: How could you get where only the basketball or football

1268
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: teams get paid under Title nine? It just becomes a

1269
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: complicated issue. Now, does football break away? I know a

1270
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like that's inevitable that football essentially

1271
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: becomes independent of every university, and football is just we're

1272
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: the Michigan football program, but we don't have anything to

1273
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: do with the athletic program. We're an independent entity, which

1274
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: also might be inevitable. I think we're going to see

1275
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: a dramatic amount of change. I'm sure a lot of

1276
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: people saw the headline of Saban. He talked to one

1277
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: of ESPN's college football guys and he said one thing

1278
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: that took out to him. He's like, we just have

1279
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: this incredible run. At the end of the season. We

1280
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: beat Georgia, we get to the National champion Game or

1281
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,959
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Final four and in this knockdown, drag

1282
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: out devastating loss, but right there against team that won

1283
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: the National championship. And then we get back to Alabama

1284
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: and like three days later, I'm doing exit interviews and

1285
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: every kids just asking me two things. Will I play?

1286
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: Which this is that question has been happening for decades,

1287
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: that was well before nil And how much you're gonna

1288
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: pay me? So in in Alabama they're already paying them.

1289
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: The sport's kind of messed up right now because I

1290
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: can only say, if I'm an NFL player, how much

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Speaker 1: am I gonna get paid? If I'm extension eligible or

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm a free agent. If I'm under contract and I

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01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: just got a contract recently, you don't have your extra interview,

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01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: go how much are you gonna pay me? Now. That's

1295
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: what I think is a major issue in college football

1296
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: is everyone's a free agent every single year. There are

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: no parameters on everything. I was thinking about this the

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: other day because a huge beef with the UH the

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: Big Jays has always been if a coach leaves, those

1300
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: players got screwed before the transfer rule change. I think

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01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: that should stay. If your head coach leaves, if you're

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: at Washington or Arizona or any of these schools Alabama,

1303
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: your coach retires, UCLA takes another job, whatever, free game,

1304
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: you can transfer, but there has to be some sort

1305
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: of if I commit somewhere and the coach stays and

1306
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: we sign a contract with our collective to pay you,

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: there should be some sort of parameters about it. Coach

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: leaves no issue. I do wonder just because I heard,

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: was it. Mike Loxley at Maryland said that when they

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01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: did their exit interviews after their Bowl win, the third

1311
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: string running back came into his room, the third string

1312
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: running back, and it was like, I want one hundred

1313
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: grand like you do. And I think Locksley was like,

1314
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: who's offering you one hundred thousand dollars? But I was

1315
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: thinking about that today too. One hundred thousand dollars, like

1316
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: when I was in college, honestly might have felt like

1317
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: a million dollars. If you knew someone they got a

1318
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: six figure job, whether it was out of college or

1319
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: early on, Like by the time they were twenty three

1320
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: twenty four, that dude has rolling it just like one

1321
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: hundred grands like the new twenty for just the way

1322
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: these college athletes are talking about it. Question for the pod,

1323
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: I didn't even know Spencer Rattler was in the draft.

1324
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him? If you've watched him

1325
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: on the right game at South Carolina and they didn't

1326
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: have a good year this year, but two years ago

1327
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't look terrible. Definitely resurrect his career. Always had a

1328
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: big arm. You know. I think guys like that to

1329
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: have a true opinion, because my opinion is going to

1330
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: be negative. It's like, eh, I'm not really my cup

1331
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: of tea, but maybe I'm just the old curmudget. One

1332
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: thing I learned in scouting, which I don't necessarily apply now,

1333
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: but in scouting you have to be like this is

1334
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: you can't be a glass half empty guy, which means

1335
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: you're always negative, Like you gotta be open minded. Things

1336
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: change young people changed. Now there's a fine balance of

1337
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: being like Al Davis open to anything and then being

1338
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: like Belichick only wanting super high character guys. There's some

1339
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: middle ground, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with

1340
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: Rayler just as a player. Remember early on at Oklahoma,

1341
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm like this guy stinks, but then he went to

1342
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: the SEC definitely played better. I bet he gets drafted

1343
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: in like the fifth or sixth round, would be my guest.

1344
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm too low, maybe gets drafted higher than that.

1345
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: I have a question about the Niners. Do you think

1346
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: they might do a quarterback switch like the Rams to

1347
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: get over the hump and win the Super Bowl? Kyle

1348
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: loves perty, so I would say no, because coach loves

1349
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: him and he's cheap, and there's no quarterback like the

1350
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: only quarterbacks you trade him for or not that they

1351
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: would trade him for or not available, and really who else,

1352
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: like who would you try trade him for? But you

1353
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade him straight out like he's had more success

1354
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: than Kirk Cousins. He's way younger and way cheaper. Dak

1355
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: Prescott like that kind of crew guys. Obviously, the top

1356
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: guys from Herbert to Alan to lamar To. Obviously, Mahomes like,

1357
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: can't do that. That's what makes the Stafford situation that

1358
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: was pretty Honestly, it's one of the more unique trades

1359
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: ever because it was a major win for both sides.

1360
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: The Rams got a guy that took him in the

1361
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and then this year kind of a throwback here,

1362
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: like Stafford was easily one of the best players down

1363
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: the stretch in the league. He was awesome, and the

1364
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: Lions got Jared Goff who got him to the ANC

1365
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: Championship game in Detroit, which is pretty rare that it

1366
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: just kind of works out that way. Love your work

1367
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: actually prioritized listening to you. I appreciate that question for

1368
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: the mailback Caleb Williams and the concept of an athlete's brand.

1369
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: Reading a Sports Illustrated article got this guy's throwback regarding

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: his and his father's a roach to the combine. It

1371
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: makes sense. However, I'm struck by some similarities to Dwayne

1372
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: Haskins rip reading about his Draft night party and essentially

1373
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: the business he and his family had built around him

1374
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: and then fortunately he fell flat as a quarterback. What

1375
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: is your perspective on athletes who have yet to prove

1376
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: themselves at the highest level of the game, essentially posturing

1377
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: themselves as a second coming of Brady without actually having

1378
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: achieved anything. Is it savvy business or massive hubris? I

1379
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: think you have to view these guys a little different

1380
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: because they're making money off their nil and their brand,

1381
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: right and there I hate that term with guys that

1382
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: aren't accomplished, like the way Steph Curry or Lebron or

1383
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter or Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. Right, the

1384
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: reason the mj brand is so powerful is because he

1385
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: fucking won six championships. The reason Tiger Woods, like when

1386
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: you said his name, everyone knew, you know, the Nike

1387
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: the swoosh because he won fifteen majors. Tom Brady, I

1388
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: don't know if his brand, the Brady brand and no Bull,

1389
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: is ever going to be some powerhouse, but the reason

1390
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: has got a chance because he's the greatest winner we've

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: ever seen. I've maybe I sound like a seven year

1392
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: old curmudgeon, but you can't have a brand as an

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: athlete when you're not like either a winner or a

1394
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: great player. I guess you don't have to truly, you know,

1395
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: it's team sports. Allen Iverson had a big time brand

1396
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: think it was like the MVP of the league. I mean,

1397
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: one of the best players, best small players we've ever seen.

1398
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: So I guess you can build a brand without winning

1399
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I like brands that are built

1400
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: off equity on the field. Now as a as a

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: draft pick, I have a hard time crushing him for

1402
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: this because they've been running a business for the last

1403
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: couple of years. Part of the world changes. You gotta adapt.

1404
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if he was operating like this

1405
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: for years. People look down at this stuff when there

1406
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: was no nil, like you were just getting a bag

1407
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: of one hundred grand over a couple of years from

1408
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: one of these programs. Now you're talking millions of dollars,

1409
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. I'm sure I didn't make as much

1410
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: as Caleb Williams last year, and I need financial help.

1411
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: I have to have an accountant. I hit up a

1412
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: couple of people, ask some questions about stuff. I can't

1413
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: imagine being twenty one years old and getting five to

1414
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: six However, million dollars free stuff like things you have

1415
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: to account for. It's a lot, so you have to

1416
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: approach you like a business. I'm defending him because they've

1417
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: been in the business like that's kind of that's what

1418
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: college football is now. We'll see how that translates. This

1419
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: is the first you know, these true juniors are the

1420
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: first crew to play through the NIL era. So I

1421
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: don't know. It's something definitely to keep an eye on

1422
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: because I don't have as big of a problem with

1423
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: it the days when you're just gonna be sitting there

1424
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: with like your three buddies from high school, slamming a

1425
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: twelve pack pizzas with mom, dad and the neighbors. When

1426
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about some if the guy was a fourth

1427
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: round pick, I think you were a tool, gonna be

1428
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. I mean, his contract's gonna

1429
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: be thirty five million dollars and let's face he's gonna

1430
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: go Chicago. He's Caleb Williams gonna be one of the

1431
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: bigger stories in the NFL next year. Like to me,

1432
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams next year is a much bigger story than

1433
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: Bryce Shaw. Bryce Shungk's no longer a story. He just

1434
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: sucks in his irrelevant and listen, Panther fans, you get

1435
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: mad at me until they show anything Small market ben bad.

1436
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: For a while, no one's gonna care. There're gonna be

1437
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on Caleb Williams mine yours. You

1438
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: don't mean not a Bears fan, You're gonna pay attention.

1439
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: I'd say he kind of already has a brand. Actually

1440
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: came around on it, hoping this one makes a show.

1441
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: Vikings fan and I keep hearing rumors that we're going

1442
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: to trade up for a guy like Drake may or

1443
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. Why would we sacrifice assets when we can

1444
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: get who I think is a better quarterback in next

1445
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: year's draft in Shadure Sanders or Quinn Ewers. Quinn Ewers

1446
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: is not viewed as a high end prospect. People I

1447
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: know do not view him at the level of the

1448
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: names you're thrown out in Chador, very very talented, We

1449
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: got a long way to go, A long way to go.

1450
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: Might not have all been his fault. Offensive coordinator fired,

1451
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: middle of the year, offensive line bad. For as talented

1452
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: as he is, he is physically he's really gifted. It

1453
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: was hard to kind of judge him at the end

1454
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: of the year like it. Shador Sanders I do not

1455
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: think would be a top ten pick in this draft

1456
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: based on his one year at Colorado. Now that can

1457
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: change right, Jaden Daniels would have been a mid round pick.

1458
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: He's now. I was watching because I wanted to watch

1459
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: some of the wide receivers, mainly just the wide receiver

1460
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: at LSU Malik, so I typed in his highlights. It's

1461
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: hard not to see Jaden Daniels, and I've said before

1462
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: I have in that. Watching a couple YouTube eight minute

1463
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 1: highlights for the wide receiver, I immediately text a couple

1464
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: of college directors. I'm like, is Jayden Daniels a better

1465
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: quote unquote prospect than Drake May. I'm not saying he's

1466
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead of him, but both guys return text like, yeah,

1467
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: I think I think he might be a better prospect

1468
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: slash player. So maybe Jadan Daniels ends up going number

1469
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: two overall. Big time arm, big time athlete. Honestly, the

1470
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: only question with him he does look very, very skinny

1471
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: on tape, which whether he weighs one hundred ninety pounds

1472
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: or two hundred and four pounds. I don't think it's

1473
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna change his draft status, but it is a concern,

1474
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: and he didn't weigh in at the combine. Gives him

1475
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: an extra ten twenty days to add some weight, but god,

1476
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: he was slinging. I know you don't talk much baseball,

1477
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: but you touched on something recently about how some big

1478
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: names Boris clients are unsigned, several of them are pitchers.

1479
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why teams wouldn't consider Trevor Bauer as far

1480
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: as I know, the legal things have gone away. I've

1481
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: watched several of his pitching videos and he seems like

1482
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: a real likable guy. If he was an NFL player,

1483
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: I think he'd be on a roster and a team

1484
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: and would love to have him on the cheat. If

1485
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: he was an NFL player, he'd one hundred percent be

1486
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: on a team. I don't think Trevor Bauer before everything happened,

1487
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to explain it. If you don't know,

1488
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: type Trevor Bower into Google. It was just a long

1489
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: winding road. But you're right, does feel like he's cleared.

1490
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: Everything's over innocent or consensual. It was all about was

1491
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: it consensual or not. It's a lot of physical stuff

1492
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: in the bedroom, weird stuff which clearly he and she likes.

1493
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: But he was a pretty elite player before that happened,

1494
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers basically just wipe their hands of him.

1495
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: I think even before that happened, there were question marks.

1496
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it, but I remember when

1497
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: the Dodger signed him. I mean, he should have got

1498
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: like a three hundred million dollar contract and they basically

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Speaker 1: gave him three years. So there have been question marks

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Speaker 1: with him going back a long long time. But he's

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Speaker 1: clearly before he you know, the Dodgers basically kicked him

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Speaker 1: off the team. He was a pretty elite player. And

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Speaker 1: if we've all followed sports long enough, if you have

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Speaker 1: a certain age, it's inevitable he gets signed. Inevitable before

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Speaker 1: my question, love your coverage of football and golf. Tell

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01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: coward you need a race. My question. If I gave

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Speaker 1: you the power over the Texans free agency, you got

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Speaker 1: to sign two guys in draft the first three rounds.

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Speaker 1: Name those targets. I can't do three rounds of the draft.

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Speaker 1: I would say this, if you are any team with money,

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Speaker 1: you should be all over Christian Wilkins when he hits

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Speaker 1: free agency, the defensive tackle from the Miami Dolphins. I

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Speaker 1: would sign that guy in a New York minute. To me,

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Speaker 1: the Texans and the Washington Commanders one I bet he

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Speaker 1: ends up on one of those two teams, I would say,

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Speaker 1: what else do they need? Patrick Queen am I speaking

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Speaker 1: to I don't know the Texans roster well enough. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the Nico Collins and they got tanked Dell. They could

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Speaker 1: use a running back, Josh Jacobs. Now you would say,

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Speaker 1: Cassario Patriot, guy sign a running back. They could just

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Speaker 1: draft one, though I've heard it's not a great running

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Speaker 1: back draft. I would do everything humanly possible to keep

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Speaker 1: helping out your young quarterback. So I would use free agency.

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Speaker 1: Buy a defensive lineman, Buy a linebacker or one of

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Speaker 1: these safeties right by those type players. Draft offensive line,

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Speaker 1: go get a guard right your first pick is what

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Speaker 1: in the teams? Actually your picks going to the Cardinals,

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,879
Speaker 1: but you have the Browns pick. I take an offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman or a defensive line or if one of those

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Speaker 1: tight ends. I don't think it's a great tight end draft.

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Speaker 1: Beside Bowers, just about a three and out trucker hat

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Speaker 1: would love one in black. If you were in the Packers'

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Speaker 1: front office, what position would you look to draft in

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Speaker 1: the first round. Well, they've invested. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: ton of picks in the last several years on defense, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they got first rounders at every level. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, the back Tiari situation is less than ideal.

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Speaker 1: I always lean and this comes from watching what the

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Speaker 1: Eagles did forever and then watching Andy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can ever go go wrong once you have a quarterback.

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01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: Now we'll see if like Jordan sustains this level of play,

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Speaker 1: but you're not drafting a quarterback in the first round.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can never go wrong with the

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Speaker 1: offensive defensive lines. That's always what I would do. You

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Speaker 1: clearly don't need wide receivers of tight ends. Your offensive

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01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: firepower is loaded. So it's a really good wide receiver draft,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome for you because you don't need a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. So four guys and five quarterbacks go before

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Speaker 1: you draft. That's nine players, right, pushing down all these

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Speaker 1: other guys that you wouldn't want offensive or defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: maybe a corner. There's no better position than in the

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Speaker 1: NFL than when you got a quarterback. Yeah, we're not

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: messing with it. Not our priority. I noticed a great

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Speaker 1: topic on the Rich Eisen Show during the football season

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Speaker 1: regarding the NFL's countdown timer. It's known that ref's way

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Speaker 1: to beat after the clock reaches zero before throwing a

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Speaker 1: delay of game penalty. Flag and his co hosts were

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Speaker 1: obviously confused as to why the refs do this in

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Speaker 1: the first place. I believe it's because the NFL doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a millisecond counter. By the large second a llah

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Speaker 1: of the NBA, good point. I think the NFL should

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Speaker 1: add the millisecond counter so fans understand what's happening. They

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Speaker 1: also suggest adding a big ass buzzer that goes off

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Speaker 1: when the clock hit zero, and I completely agree with

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Speaker 1: this idea because it takes the guesswork out of the

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Speaker 1: ref's hands. The only issue is you need some sort

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Speaker 1: of camera fixed on the center's hands, which doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: feasible the buzzer. In the NBA, I would say, the

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Speaker 1: court is so much smaller. Everyone is in a condensed area.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty clear. In the NFL, the road team if

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Speaker 1: the crowd was loud, I don't know if the buzzer

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Speaker 1: would quite work. The millisecond thing not a terrible idea,

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Speaker 1: actually the first I've never heard anyone even bring that up.

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Speaker 1: But it makes a lot of sense, makes a ton

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Speaker 1: of sense. Is it really that big a deal of

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Speaker 1: what's happening now it's pretty well known. You get, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, less than a quarter of a second

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Speaker 1: once it hits double zero, maybe point point one point five.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get much time. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's that big a deal. I really don't. It's it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things if you're betting on or your

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01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: team on either side, where your either heart drops or

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01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: you're screaming at the TV. Does anyone honestly like if

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Speaker 1: they don't change that, I don't think anything's gonna change.

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Speaker 1: So my first reaction, don't change anything. Second, the millisecond

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: thing makes some sense. Third, the buzzer, I think that

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Speaker 1: sounds good in a boardroom when we're all bullshitting about it.

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Speaker 1: In reality, I don't think it is. The execution is possible.

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Speaker 1: The volume

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Speaker 4: Hmm,