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Speaker 3: Down the sideline.

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Speaker 4: These one Bill's Live presented by Kalida.

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Speaker 3: Health Well Hotally Hotally Viewers, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 3: you here on a Tuesday, ready to soldier on through

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Speaker 3: the off season. As we close in on a hold

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Speaker 3: on a month out from the NFL Draft, weather still

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Speaker 3: hasn't flipped to spring. I'm not anticipating it's gonna happen

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Speaker 3: anytime soon. You can talk to me all you want

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Speaker 3: about how it's supposed to be fifty on Thursday. It

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Speaker 3: goes right back into the third example. This because a

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Speaker 3: one day reprieve.

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Speaker 4: With eighty six percent chance of rain. Yeah, I didn't count.

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Speaker 3: Not for me, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I had snow flurries last night.

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Speaker 3: What's what's snow season?

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Speaker 4: I mean whatever, this is the worst part. What it is.

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Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, this this is the worst.

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Speaker 3: This is when you need to leave because you're waiting

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Speaker 3: for the end. That's right, and it's it's not coming.

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Speaker 3: We're already into fake spring three so.

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Speaker 4: And it's only March. I get it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, March is almost over, bro right, we got

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Speaker 3: today's the twenty fourth we left. I don't know whoever

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Speaker 4: That's childish, fairy tale stuff.

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Speaker 3: March comes in like a lion, goes out like a lamb. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I refute you.

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Speaker 4: It stays like a wet lab wet laboratory.

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Speaker 3: It's a big wet blanket and it reeks. It's a stinky,

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Speaker 3: wet blanket that your dog's been rolling up in for

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Speaker 4: We're not coming across too bitter, are we out there?

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Speaker 4: Said, this is the worst part this month. Yeah, like

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Speaker 3: you that it is pro day season. It is pre

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Speaker 3: Draft thirty visit season. So as the draft closes in

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Speaker 3: you that, according to a report from Ryan Fowler, the Bills,

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Speaker 3: along with the Panthers and Ravens, are going to host

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Speaker 3: LSU safety prospect A J. Halsey for a pre Draft

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Speaker 3: thirty visit. Halsey has eight interceptions twelve pass breakups over

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Speaker 3: his final two collegiate seasons spent at Houston and then LSU.

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Speaker 3: There's pop behind his paths. It's evident that he brings.

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Speaker 4: He brings some attitude. He's real patient in his zone drops.

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Speaker 3: Four five two at the combine.

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Speaker 4: And his eyes occasionally drift too deep into the backfield

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Speaker 3: And probably better in the box.

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Speaker 4: Well see, I mean all these guys are going to change,

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Speaker 3: The Bills, according to the NFL Transact, hosted free agent

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman Austin Corbett for a visit. Corbett, who has

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Speaker 3: Austin Corbett would be a guy that would fit that Bill.

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Speaker 3: former Bills assistant coach Ted Katrell. Coatrell, who had two

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Speaker 3: Awards of Excellent ceremonies on June twenty fourth and twenty

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Speaker 4: Teddy Katrell was a really well respected and beloved coach

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Speaker 3: He had ted present him at the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: Those two are very close, and Teddy Katrell was one

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Speaker 4: that's not what you're gonna do. You can do this.

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Speaker 4: don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Really

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Speaker 3: Bill's went more than twenty years between finishing number one

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Speaker 3: good for Ted Cottrell. So three people with Bill's ties

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Speaker 4: Their told Scott was he was. People probably of a

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Speaker 4: a long long time. Retired as a member of the

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Speaker 4: He was the one who took Marv from Bruce and

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Speaker 3: Uh, you're not lying. Yeah, let's go around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: It's will he or won't he? Season for Aaron Rodgers again,

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Speaker 3: as speculation on the quarterback returning for another season with

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Speaker 3: new head coach Mike McCarthy Steelers don't have an answer

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Speaker 4: will probably have to move on anyway. Say thanks, but

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Speaker 4: it's the offer. We can't use you anymore. It wouldn't

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Speaker 4: surprise me. I think Aaron's gonna play again, You do,

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Speaker 4: I think I do. I It's like I said, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not the guy who invented the phrase, but you

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Speaker 4: and that's in the NFL. When you retire, there is

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Speaker 4: So these guys play as long as they can play,

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Speaker 4: whatever you think about Aaron Rodgers, he's not a bad option.

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Speaker 4: He's a better option than a lot of teams have

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Speaker 3: Disposal, including the Steelers, whose quarterbacks on the roster are

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Speaker 4: Especially Steelers, especially the Steelers. So so there you go.

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Speaker 3: You gotta understand where coming from.

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Speaker 4: I thought Mike. I thought Mike McCarthy would I thought

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Speaker 3: Has it impacted you and the trade acquisition of DJ Moore?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, altered? You're thinking about round one at twenty six?

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Speaker 4: So you got to get a guy that's physically different

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Speaker 4: I know the bunch of fans that still think wide

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Speaker 4: Well, they did that last year.

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Speaker 4: that most Bills fans have and they think they need

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Speaker 4: a guy like aj Brown or Jamar Chase. And certainly

436
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: those guys are fantastic players. But the Bill's offense is

437
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: better than those offensive those teams with those guys on them,

438
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Speaker 4: So they're better than Philly, They're better than They're better

439
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: than anybody most most of these teams. The only team

440
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Speaker 4: that was better than them last year, in my opinion,

441
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 4: was probably the Rams on offense. Bill. The Bills hang

442
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: with anybody offensively, and that's with nine guys lining up

443
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: a revolving door on the outside. Josh Palmer can't get

444
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Speaker 4: on the field and stay there. Mi Cole Hardman comes

445
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 4: in and can't get on the field. You know, Keon

446
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: is a healthy scratch, Palmer's hurt. You get all these

447
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: guys running around and they're still scoring more than anybody

448
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: in the league. I mean, they just wring it up.

449
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: That's what Josh does. So I mean, why I don't

450
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: get it. Why that's not where when you're sitting there

451
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: on your and you you know most people do sit

452
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: on your hands while the defense is on the field.

453
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Speaker 4: If you'd notice that every time it's a third and nine,

454
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: the offense doesn't even get off the bench and get

455
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Speaker 4: ready to come in because because they know they're gonna

456
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: the other team's gonna convert. You know, that's the frustrating

457
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: thing about this game. Is not having an X isn't

458
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: the frustrating thing. It's third and eleven. Turn it into

459
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: first and ten every time your defense is out there.

460
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Speaker 4: That's what the frustrating thing about last year, third and nine,

461
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: first and ten, third and twelve at first and ten,

462
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: third and fifteen, first and ten. That's what's the frustrating

463
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: thing about this team.

464
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Speaker 3: They were twenty ninth in the league and third down

465
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Speaker 3: defense in twenty twenty four. They were twenty fourth last year.

466
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Speaker 3: The point is it's been a persistent problem, and the

467
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 3: best way to fix that is by getting guys that

468
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: can get to the quarterback fast and right now, I

469
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: would argue that they have a lot of good pass rushers,

470
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Speaker 3: but on the vast whole, these are power rushers, not

471
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Speaker 3: speed bend the edge rushers. And I'll bang the drum again.

472
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Speaker 3: You need juice. Here's on the outside in this defense.

473
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Speaker 4: You've got Josh out there. They're scoring as much as

474
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Speaker 4: anybody in the league, and they're leading the league in

475
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Speaker 4: time of possession. They're number one last year over regular

476
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Speaker 4: season they were the number one team in time of

477
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Speaker 4: possession last year. You think that was a little bit

478
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Speaker 4: by design handing the ball off to James Cook having

479
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 4: a sixteen hundred yard season. Certainly they were successful doing it,

480
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: but they also scored a bunch. You don't think they're

481
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 4: trying to do a little bit of help by helping

482
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: a defense that can't get off the field on third down.

483
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: What happens if they have a defense that gives them

484
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Speaker 4: the ball back instead of having the offense trying to

485
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Speaker 4: do its best to score after they keep their defense

486
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Speaker 4: off the field, that would be nice, But that's I

487
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: mean leading the league in time of possession. That's not

488
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: an accident. So it'd be nice if you had a

489
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: defense that helped with the time of possession by getting

490
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Speaker 4: a three and out once in a while.

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Speaker 3: Yep, we got to take a break here. We also

492
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Speaker 3: have Bill Barnwell from ESPN coming your way in the

493
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Speaker 3: second hour of the show. But when we take a

494
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Speaker 3: break here, we'll return with some of your comments. As

495
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Speaker 3: we're asking you if the Bill's roster editions this offseason

496
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Speaker 3: changed your mind on what position to address in Round

497
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: one of the draft. At One Bill's Live is the

498
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: way to communicate with us. We'll read some of those

499
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Speaker 3: tweets next here on One Bill's Live. Back here on

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live, Chris browns with you is we are

501
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: asking you today if the Bill's roster additions this offseason

502
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: changed your mind on what position to address in Round

503
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: one of the NFL Draft. And Joe leads us off

504
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: today and he says, no, I still want what We

505
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: don't have the closest player in size, talent and attitude,

506
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: it's Ted Washington or Fred Smerlis. If that player isn't there,

507
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: then find someone to trade twenty six with and get

508
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: hopefully a two or a three. We did see our

509
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 3: good friend Field Yates put together a two round mock draft,

510
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: and in his he had the Bills trading out of

511
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: that spot at twenty six, with Arizona moving back to

512
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Speaker 3: thirty five, which is the third pick in round two,

513
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: and any of the Bills picking CJ. Allen, the linebacker

514
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: out of Georgia. But there figure to be a couple

515
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: of nose tackles that will be considered at the end

516
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Speaker 3: of round one. It would be totally good with this.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they get the thirty fifth pick and also like

518
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: the sixty fourth pickback they get as second back. They

519
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 4: get two two's for a one.

520
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be a high three. Sixty four is

521
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: the first pick in the third round.

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Speaker 4: High three, right, that's fine. Yeah, but now you have.

523
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Speaker 3: You have thirty five, sixty five and ninety one instead

524
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: of just twenty six and ninety one all to move

525
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: back just eight spots. So yeah, I would sign up

526
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: for that. I would also sign up for a o

527
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: tackle at twenty six if it's like a kid McDonald

528
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: of Ohio State it's still on the board or for

529
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: sure be all about that for sure?

530
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I don't care move around just when you do.

531
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Speaker 4: Pick a guy, make it, get the right guy. Get

532
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: the guy. Yeah, and I'm four, I'm kind of right

533
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: where I was last year. Grab some defenders and try

534
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: and get a difference maker or two. You know, get

535
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: some guys who are starters. I wouldn't be surprised. I

536
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a against having them. Grab another I keep saying,

537
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: another safety, get a big one. I don't know if

538
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: you're gonna be able to get one at twenty six

539
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: or trade out of the first round to get still

540
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: get one, a good one. But nose tackle is where

541
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Speaker 4: I always land because of the you know, the one

542
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 4: percent rule. You know, you can't find them. There's two

543
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty players in this that are gonna get drafted,

544
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty six players that are gonna get

545
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Speaker 4: drafted in this draft. And the simple fact that two

546
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty seven draft picks, and the simple fact

547
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Speaker 4: of the matter is there's going to be two two

548
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: that are one percenters, the one percent of the one percent. Yeah,

549
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: these are these guys, all these guys, and it's two

550
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty kids. They're all in the top couple

551
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Speaker 4: of percentiles physically and athletically, but you want guys that

552
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: are in the top two percent of that group, which

553
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: means there's a handful, right, And that's you know, you're

554
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: just not gonna get it when you're picking the twenty

555
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: sixth player, right.

556
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Speaker 3: But I think you can argue that if you're taking

557
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: a nose tackle there, there's a good chance you're getting

558
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: the second or third best nose tackle in the entire crafts.

559
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: That is correct.

560
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: So to me, that changes the conversation.

561
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Speaker 4: You get to that point though, to me, the thing

562
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: that sets him apart Brownie, And I know I'm talking

563
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: out of both sides of my mouth, because yeah, these

564
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: are one percenters, but you get like four guys, they're

565
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: all six two six three plus, they're all three bills

566
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: or plus. You know, you got to sit down and

567
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: talk to him to find out which guy is going

568
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: to be better tomorrow than he was today. Yeah, and

569
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: then that day after tomorrow he's going to be better

570
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: than he is tomorrow. You know, he's got to have

571
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: that kind of attitude and that kind of personality because

572
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: if you get another guy, you wind up You've got

573
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: remember Mike Williams, they took here back in the day.

574
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: When fourth pick in the draft two thousand and two.

575
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: Guys six six and can outrun me in my I mean,

576
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: the guy was unbelievable, and he just didn't want to play.

577
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

578
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: He did not want to play, didn't want to practice,

579
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 4: didn't want to play, didn't work hard. He left the

580
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: game for a year or two and found out, oh

581
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: my gosh, life's hard, and came back in as a guard.

582
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Speaker 4: He could have been. He literally had Hall of Fame

583
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: physical talent. So that's what you're up against. You get

584
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: a one percent guy physically and he's he doesn't even

585
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: register on the intangibles. He's so bad. So yeah, that's

586
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: that's the conundrum you're in. Yeah, so yeah.

587
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Speaker 3: I mean, it hasn't changed Joe's mind. Alex. On the tweets,

588
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: she says, what do you all think about Joshua Palmer

589
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: this year? He showed flashes of being special, then dealt

590
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: with bad injuries. The receiver room suddenly seems like it

591
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: could be crowded quickly with DJ Moore and a potential

592
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: draft pick. I'd rather have too much than not enough. Yeah,

593
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: that's my answer.

594
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Speaker 4: And I don't listen. They're not shy about healthy scratching

595
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: guys obviously, yep. So if DJ, if Josh Palmer has

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: some competition and can't be available, scratch him, he can

597
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: be on the team. And Plus, if none of these

598
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: guys want to play, if none of them want to

599
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: play special teams or help the team win in a

600
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: way other than running routes and catching balls, they can't

601
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: get a game jersey. They We gotta have guys that

602
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: can do that at the bottom of the roster.

603
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: Competition makes everybody better, makes everybody better. And if you

604
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: have if you have six that you really like and

605
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: somebody that was on the roster last year isn't one

606
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: of them, they'll move them and get something back. They'll

607
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: move them and get some kind of asset to use

608
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, so yeah it to me, competition raises

609
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: the level of everybody in that room. So I don't

610
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: care if it's crowded right now. Again, I still don't

611
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: think I'm taking one at twenty six because there's too

612
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: many pressing defensive needs. But I'll draft a receiver in

613
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Speaker 3: round three or four happily. I don't care. And if

614
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: the room gets crowded, so be it. Let the cream

615
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: rise to the top from sloth nosed ball doesn't change

616
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: my mind. Wide receiver and interior defensive line still the

617
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: biggest priorities by a mile. Do you think the Bills

618
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: are influenced, Steve by the fact that they drafted three

619
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Speaker 3: defensive linemen last year? Do you think that impacts them

620
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: drafting more this year?

621
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Speaker 4: It goes back to what we said yesterday. We don't

622
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 4: know what they think about the guys he drafted last year.

623
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying.

624
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: We don't know about land and Jackson because.

625
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: They're all being projected into a new scheme now. Landon

626
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: Jackson has played in a three to three five system

627
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: at Arkansas. He's only one year removed from that. TJ.

628
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: Sanders played in a three to three to five system

629
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: at South Carolina. He's only one year removed from that.

630
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: So presumably Jim Leonard and some other defensive coaches have

631
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: looked at the tape of those guys in college to

632
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: see how they would play in a similar system.

633
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Speaker 4: I think they like. They like Dion Walker what he

634
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: brought last year. Landon Jackson got on the field, lasted

635
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: about ten minutes.

636
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: And TJ. Sanders was hurt in mis same time.

637
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Speaker 4: He's TJ.

638
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: Sanders didn't see him very much till the end of

639
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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they think about those that tells

641
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: that stuff. We don't know what do they think about

642
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: those guys. Dion Walker, I'm sure they like he did

643
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: some good stuff. Everybody could see it. He was on

644
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: the field. You don't get on the field unless they

645
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: like what you're doing. Landon Jackson, who knows TJ. Sanders?

646
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: We don't know. But TJ. Sanders has taking two rounds

647
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 4: ahead of Dion Walker two rounds. He's a second round pick.

648
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: They need him to be a part of the equation.

649
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read you the defensive lineman currently listed on

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Speaker 3: this roster t J. Sanders, Dion Walker, At Oliver, Dwayne Carter,

651
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Speaker 3: Federian mathis Landon Jackson, Zion Log, tommya King Besote. You

652
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Speaker 3: want to add to that group. I'd add a veteran

653
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Speaker 3: tomorrow if I could. But short of that, I think

654
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Speaker 3: you gotta add some talent there. Zion I like the

655
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Speaker 3: first few names.

656
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Speaker 4: I talked to. Zion Log. I've talked I talked about

657
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: Zion Log and he's got he's got the physical makeup

658
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Speaker 4: to be an incredibly good nose tackle. He's big, he's heavy,

659
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 4: and he's got that kind of.

660
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Speaker 3: But faderian Mathis played more games than this.

661
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Speaker 4: Defense last but it was a four to three.

662
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Speaker 3: Maybe faderian Mathis played in a three four at Alabama.

663
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Speaker 3: He played nose at Alabama, right, Zion log played at

664
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Speaker 3: Georgia and they usually play at four to three. I'm

665
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Speaker 3: not saying that's that's the reason you make the decision,

666
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 3: but clearly they saw something in fiderian Mathis last year

667
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: to keep him on the active roster when injuries struck,

668
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: rather than Zion Loge, who used up his practice squad

669
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Speaker 3: elevations and then they never elevated him from the practice squad.

670
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Speaker 3: He stayed there.

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Speaker 4: The rest of this might be one of those things

672
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Speaker 4: that I was talking about him and Ago. It might

673
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: be between their ears. They like what frederian Mathis brings

674
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: to the table, and Zion still learning, you know what

675
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 4: it is to you know what you've got to do

676
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: to survive in the league. But those they're not household.

677
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: And they got these guys that you just listed, most

678
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: of them were considered depth pieces.

679
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Speaker 3: That's my point at best, that's my best. So those

680
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: names I just read off to you. You want to

681
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Speaker 3: go on the regular season with that, I think I

682
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: think they would like to see a little more high

683
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: end talent, A or B proven veteran talent in a

684
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: system like this. I think that would behoove you to

685
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Speaker 3: do that, knowing all the changes that are happening on

686
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Speaker 3: that side of the ball in one offseason. So I

687
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: don't know. That's kind of where I come down on that.

688
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: Sloth No's Ball apparently thinks wide receiver is every bit

689
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 3: the need it was before the Dj Moore trade. Again,

690
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Speaker 3: I can come around to thinking you want to add

691
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: a receiver in the draft, that's fine at twenty six.

692
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't know someone would have to fall in your

693
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: lap that was not expected.

694
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Speaker 4: To be there. Yeah, I'm not interested.

695
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Speaker 3: You want to take one in the third round, I'm

696
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 3: good with that. You want to take one in the

697
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Speaker 3: fourth round, I'm good with that. Sure, I don't know

698
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Speaker 3: if I can do it at one with all the

699
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: ads you need to make on defense, at least as

700
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: the roster stands right now, maybe you can find some

701
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: guys on one of your deals for minimum money and

702
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: you can plug some of the holes that are still

703
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: sitting there on defense. If not on the front lines

704
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: from a depth perspective, but short of that, be hard

705
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Speaker 3: pressed to draft a wide out in round one. But

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Speaker 3: that's just me. Gotta take a break here, more of

707
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Speaker 3: your comments at one Bill's Live when we get back.

708
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Speaker 3: Have the bills roster editions this offseason changed your mind

709
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Speaker 3: on what position to address in round one? You tell

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Speaker 3: us next here on One Bill's Live. All right, back

711
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Speaker 3: here on One Bill's Live, where we're asking you if

712
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Speaker 3: the Bill's offseason additions change your mind on what position

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Speaker 3: to addressed in Round one of the twenty twenty six

714
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: NFL Draft. The wide swath of the responses have said no,

715
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: not convinced that we should move off what I think

716
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: the Bills need. However, says definitely it will be the

717
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: best player available at edge or wide receiver. Those are

718
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: money positions. Linebacker, safety, interior roer line, defensive tackle will

719
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Speaker 3: be addressed later. I'm not going to disagree that edge

720
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Speaker 3: and wide receiver are premium positions. I'm trying to look

721
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: at what was the biggest problem for the team last year.

722
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Speaker 3: For me, it was stopping the run and getting off

723
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: the field on third down. So I wouldn't mind if

724
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Speaker 3: it's an edge rusher, I wouldn't mind.

725
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Speaker 4: That edge or d lineman or linebacker.

726
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Speaker 3: I think people are of the opinion, even though it

727
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: is a good linebacker class, that it should be deep

728
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: enough and the run on linebackers won't start, especially off

729
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: the ball. You know inside linebackers. You know, if it

730
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Speaker 3: starts at the end of round one, great might start

731
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Speaker 3: even later. And I understand what Greg is saying, linebacker, safety, interior,

732
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Speaker 3: o line not as critically important as positions like receiver

733
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Speaker 3: and edge rusher. I'll agree with him there. That doesn't

734
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Speaker 3: mean you just blindly pick at the premium positions if

735
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: you have screaming needs at those other spots. I understand

736
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Speaker 3: the values got to fit the pick. But if all

737
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: things are equal on the player grade and you got

738
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Speaker 3: a hole at a non premium position.

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Speaker 4: It's Brian Billick, head coach of the Ravens who won

740
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl in year two thousand, he said, need

741
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Speaker 4: as a terrible evaluator.

742
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Speaker 3: Yep.

743
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Speaker 4: So you tend to justify why you need to take

744
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 4: that guy, and most of the justification is that you

745
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: don't have anybody else, and that's a terrible way to

746
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: pick a player. That's why they got to take. That's

747
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: why the Mantras. Just take the best guy out there,

748
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: and your roster will build itself.

749
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Speaker 3: Do you think the Bill's front office looks at this

750
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: draft and the capital they have to work with and

751
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: just say, we used the second round pick on a

752
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver, We're not going to use it on a

753
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: first round pick. Do you think they would sure would

754
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: adopt that line of thinking at all? Or is it

755
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: that was a separate entity that we took care of

756
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 3: earlier in the offseason. We're treating what we have left

757
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: in the draft in terms of picks as that and

758
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: nothing else. That other thing is irrelevant.

759
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, they could certainly take that philosophy, say we've

760
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: already got our wide receiver. We took him at what

761
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: wasn't sixty, yeah, or whatever it was, and then we

762
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: can if you want you to take another one at

763
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 4: ninety one or one twenty six, you know, in the

764
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Speaker 4: third or fourth round.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder how many to look at it that way,

766
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: because I remember Brandon said this when they made the

767
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: trade for Stefan Diggs. I remember sitting in that media

768
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: room at the end of Night one of the draft

769
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: when they didn't have a pick and he said, well,

770
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: we got Stefan Diggs in round one, Right. I think

771
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: it's reasonable to assume that he's thinking similarly with his

772
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: round two pick that he just gave up for DJ Moore. Sure,

773
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: and he may go into the draft and say, yeah,

774
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: we addressed offense with our second round pick. We just

775
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: traded it to get Dj Moore, a proven commodity at

776
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: wide receiver. So I wouldn't be surprised if that is

777
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: the approach they take and apply it to round one.

778
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: We used our second round pick on a wide receiver.

779
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: We got to address defense with first round pick. That

780
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: would not surprise me, just based on past history and

781
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: what we've heard him say in the past when he

782
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: swung a trade for a wide receiver and gave up

783
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: a one to four or five and a six, So right,

784
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's reasonable to think that

785
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: he might be rolling arounround in his head the thoughts

786
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: of the first round pick, knowing we already spent a

787
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: second round pick on a wide receiver for all intents

788
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: and purposes, not swinging at wide receiver again in round one, Right.

789
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's outlandish to think that and you'll

790
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: get a guy with some trades that if you do

791
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 4: pick it at ninety one or whatever, the twenty six

792
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: pick is, you know, obviously going to be the centerpiece

793
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: of this draft class. If indeed they do pick at

794
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: twenty six and don't move up or down, if they

795
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 4: move up, it obviously will be. And even if they

796
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: move down.

797
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: I can't see him moving up though, well.

798
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: I can't either. They'd have to trade it that next

799
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 4: year's one or two or both.

800
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: And how I mean, what are you doing? How far

801
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: are you going? Like we've already heard like first round

802
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: grades are probably gonna be somewhere between twelve and fourteen,

803
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: depending on the team and the eye of the beholder,

804
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 3: trade up twelve spots to get the last no quote

805
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: unquote blue chip guy.

806
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: Unless the guy drops and you think I can trade

807
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: up and get him then. But yeah, that's what you're

808
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: looking at you And it's it's expensive. I mean, oh yeah,

809
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: it's not like, well I'll give him next year's two

810
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 4: and for this year's too. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, yeah,

811
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Speaker 4: it just doesn't.

812
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: Jim on the tweets sheet says, doesn't change in my

813
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: mind at all. Fill needs with low cost free agents

814
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver, corner, safety, linebacker, guard, edge, nose tackle, and

815
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: then take the best available in the draft. We have

816
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: that player for five years, cost controlled, please stop drafting

817
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: for need in round one. So he wants them to

818
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: continue filling holes in free agency at this point in time.

819
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one year deal season in free agency.

820
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: That's the most anybody's getting. That's right, because players at

821
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: this point in time, no, the money's dried up, so

822
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Speaker 3: they're not taking anything more than a one year deal

823
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: because they want to get back in the free agent

824
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Speaker 3: pool next year, preferably earlier than they did this year

825
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: if they're still unsigned and teams don't have enough money

826
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Speaker 3: to offer more than a one year deal. So he

827
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Speaker 3: wants them to scoop up some one year deal free agents,

828
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Speaker 3: fill as many holes as you can, and then take

829
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Speaker 3: best available regardless of position in the draft. Right, it's

830
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Speaker 3: one way to do it.

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Speaker 4: We'll see. I I think we'll know more a little obviously.

832
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 4: We'll know a little bit more as we get closer.

833
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: But I think for the wide receiver crowd, the DJ

834
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: Moore trade, it's it's tough to put that back at

835
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Speaker 4: twenty six and grab another one. I just I mean

836
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: the team's offense is clicking without DJ Moore? Right, what

837
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: are we doing? No, I hear you, I mean better

838
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 4: off picking a guard.

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Speaker 3: Then there are some with first round grades just saying.

840
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: So I'm you know, I don't. I'm not on that train.

841
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: So there you go.

842
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break here. When we begin our number two,

843
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it with ESPN senior NFL writer Bill Barnwell.

844
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: He has an interesting look at how successfully free agent

845
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: signees pan out for their new teams. We'll talk about

846
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: that with him along with our topic. Good discussion. I

847
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: think we're gonna bounce that off him as well. Bill Barnwell,

848
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Speaker 3: coming your way next here on one Bill's.

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Speaker 1: Line, Look you boys do what today?

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Speaker 2: He is a feast for the Capitol fiend. The cork

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Speaker 2: is in the kitchen. Looks how the sideline he's got

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Speaker 2: kick Kade for a twenty three yard touchdown and it's intercepted.

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Speaker 4: Jumping over the air is bad for me. These one

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Speaker 4: Bill's Live presented by calllighta health all right.

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Speaker 3: Hour number two Here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown, Steve

856
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Speaker 3: Tasker with you and happy to be joined now by

857
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Speaker 3: ESPN senior NFL writer Bill Barnwell joining us, and gotta

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Speaker 3: tell you, Bill, it was interesting to see you crunch

859
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: the numbers and the success rate of free agent signings

860
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Speaker 3: in one of your write ups on ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know whether to be discouraged or encouraged

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Speaker 3: because you had a couple of charts in there, and

863
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Speaker 3: you did this over a ten season span, so it's

864
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Speaker 3: a pretty big sample size. But with success level, you

865
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Speaker 3: know that you rated on a zero through sixth scale.

866
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: It didn't paint a pretty picture of free agency success

867
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: over the years. But then you know, you go, you

868
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: read a little further, and my my hopes were booied

869
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: to some degree over the success rate when you're talking

870
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: about free agent tier splits. So maybe roll it all

871
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: into a big fat ball for people if you can,

872
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: and just come give us your biggest takeaways from the

873
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: research that you did with you know, the ROI on

874
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: free agent signings.

875
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I decided to go look at free agents, look

876
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 5: at a ten year spam the top fifty free agents

877
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 5: by average salary. So that's five hundred free agents over

878
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 5: a ten year span between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty two.

879
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 5: Basically just wanted to see, hey, how did these work out.

880
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 5: We're teams happy with their players that they keep them

881
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 5: beyond the guaranteed years and their deal, that they want

882
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: to move on quickly they sign them to another deal.

883
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 5: They're looking to see, hey, you know, what's the success

884
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: rate for these contracts? Ends up being on the whole

885
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: about forty one percent, a little less than you'd like. Obviously,

886
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 5: you know, there are some factors that go into that.

887
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: The best players don't hit free agency. Obviously, Bills aren't

888
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 5: getting rid of you know, Josh Allen's never going to

889
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 5: hit free agency unless he loses a leg, and even

890
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 5: if he does, I still think the Bills will probably

891
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 5: keep him around. You know, it's just one of those

892
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: things where everyone sort of knows it's not where you

893
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 5: want to be. You want to be drafting and developing,

894
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 5: and that's the best way to build a team, but

895
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 5: obviously to try to fill the gaps. Now, there are

896
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 5: certain kinds of players that work better than others. Wards,

897
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 5: interior alignment, defensive tackles, safeties, those guys tend to have

898
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: a higher success rate, And you think about the Bills,

899
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 5: they're a perfect example of that, right I mean Mitch Moore,

900
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: Starlow to Leile, Micah Hyde, Jordan Ployer. You know, guys

901
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 5: who were not necessarily superstars and not playing the most

902
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 5: sexy positions, but they became really valuable players for the

903
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 5: Bills that are sort of mid tier free agents that

904
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: Brandon Bean has mostly shoped. Those have been his best

905
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: successes when you flip it, you know, the big ticket

906
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 5: free ah the Bills brought in very famously was Von

907
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: Miller in twenty twenty two, and that was the all

908
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 5: in move, be expensive over the top for a premium position,

909
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 5: and that move did not work out. Obviously, the ACL

910
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 5: tear complicated things that they put a ton of money

911
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 5: into Von Miller and it didn't work out. And so

912
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 5: you're never going to tell a team, hey, stay out

913
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 5: of free agency. It's more just about what's your philosophy.

914
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 5: How does it fixt your roster? You know, are you

915
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: using it to kind of fill in some gaps here

916
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 5: or there. I think that's totally defensible. But if you're

917
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 5: using it to try and fill in the core of

918
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: your roster, more often than not, that's not going to

919
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: work out.

920
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: And one of the things I notice is it's kind

921
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 4: of the same success rate as you would expect because

922
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: teams still have to evaluate which top tier or which

923
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 4: lower tier free agents they're going to go after by

924
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: their own way of evaluation. So you kind of get

925
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: a bell curve. There's like nine percent complete failure and like,

926
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: you know, ten of you know, half a percentage or

927
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: so a little less that like super huge, human, great, obvious,

928
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, these pro Bowl guys that

929
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: you get. So it's kind of a bell curve and opinion,

930
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 4: no matter how you measure, it is somewhere in the middle.

931
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: But it still comes down to the team deciding which

932
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: guy they pick and how successful they are.

933
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 5: No question. I mean, obviously, you know, you can have

934
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 5: archetives at the end of the day. You know, it's

935
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 5: very rare, but not very rare, but but it's pretty

936
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 5: uncommon outside of it to be the top top top

937
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 5: tier guys when you get to like, you know, the

938
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 5: second tier, the third tierdict that guys who are not

939
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 5: necessarily going to be you know, week one starters, but

940
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 5: guys who are going to be in the rotation, guys

941
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 5: who are going to be playing a bunch of STAPs

942
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 5: for you. It's not like teaser saying, hey, we have

943
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 5: one guy we like. The reality is there's maybe three

944
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 5: or four guys they like, and so they have to

945
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: figure out within that tier. Okay, do we want to

946
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 5: pay a million dollars more for this guy versus the

947
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 5: next guy? You know, all those little things that go

948
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 5: into building an organization where when you have a GMU

949
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 5: trust and the scouting staff you trust, and a personal

950
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 5: department you trust, they get the who's right not one

951
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: hundred percent of the time, but maybe they got the

952
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: right sixty percent of the time and another team gets

953
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: them right thirty or thirty five percent of the time.

954
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: You know, you're looking for little margins there where. Again,

955
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 5: it's not like you're going to be getting an entire

956
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 5: team off a free agency, but can you find those

957
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: cold beast leaves, those Micah hives, those Don Browns? When

958
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 5: John Browd was there for that one season in Buffalo

959
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 5: where he played really well, You know that was a

960
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: Bill's team that had some core players that drafted really well, obviously,

961
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 5: but they were filling in kind of the missing parts

962
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 5: in their roster. Those secondary tertiary pieces ended up being

963
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: really valuable.

964
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: And I would imagine Bill that you know, the numbers

965
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 3: you generated here from your own research are some of

966
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: the same that analytics departments are compiling around the league.

967
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: How much of a factor do you think those high

968
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: success rates, particularly for top fifteen players at interior role

969
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: line and defensive tackle and safety, factored into seeing all

970
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: the giant money being thrown around to interior offensive linemen,

971
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: safeties and defensive tackles who were also traded for commodities

972
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: as well.

973
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think it's a combination of things, right,

974
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 5: It's only just what's worked in the past, but also

975
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: what was available in free agency this year. There was

976
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 5: not a lot of defensive tackle help available in freegency.

977
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 5: It was a very thin class at defensive tackle. It

978
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 5: wasn't a deep class on the edge. On the offensive line,

979
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: we're seeing teams one of the shifts that's come in

980
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 5: the NFL, and there's been a lot of talking about

981
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 5: running backs now teams not spending as much on running backs. Well,

982
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 5: a lot of the money that was going to running

983
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 5: backs ten twenty years ago, that money is going to

984
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 5: the interior offensive mind instead. Guards are making more than

985
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 5: they ever made before, adjusting for the rise and the

986
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 5: salary cap centers obviously then Tylet Linderbaum's contract is enormous.

987
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 5: Twice seven million dollars a year for a center. That's

988
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: you know that that would have been laughable five or

989
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: six years ago, but that's what you happen to me

990
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 5: have a really talented player hit the market, and so,

991
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: you know, I do think the numbers are or something

992
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 5: that any other team could do. I mean, if you

993
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 5: have any you know, analytics department or any sort of

994
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 5: research department work the assault, they're looking into this stuff.

995
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, like I can

996
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: give any GM the numbers, every GM has the same

997
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: information I have access to. But it's all about how

998
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 5: you use it. And I think there are teams who

999
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 5: are going to say, hey, you know, I think if

1000
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 5: you ask Brandon mean, hey, is spending one hundred and

1001
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 5: twenty million dollars over six years for a thirty three

1002
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 5: year old defense I've had a great idea. You probably

1003
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 5: would say in most cases no, But teams talk themselves

1004
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 5: into why it might make sense, why it's an exception,

1005
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 5: whether it's the player, whether it's the circumstances. Like it

1006
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 5: is very easy for teams who are looking at a

1007
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 5: situation where they're one player away or you know, one

1008
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 5: one big game or away from maybe winning a Super Bowl,

1009
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: saying hey, we can make that move. It wouldn't make

1010
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: sense for other teams that it makes sense for us,

1011
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: and that is a very dangerous game to play. Sometimes

1012
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 5: they're right, but a lot of the time, unfortunately they're

1013
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 5: not right.

1014
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: And one of the things that surprised me about your research.

1015
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 4: Over the ten year period twenty thirteen to twenty two,

1016
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: the least successful by position all centered around the offensive.

1017
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 4: The four offensive skill positions tight end, wide receiver, quarterback,

1018
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 4: and running back. Those were the least successful positions and

1019
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 4: by free agency of anybody, I mean, and the top

1020
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: the most successful was safety. So it's it's almost this

1021
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: inverse thing where the flashy, kind of great piece that

1022
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 4: people love to watch, the wide receivers, running backs, quarterbacks,

1023
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 4: the tight ends are outshined in the free agent market

1024
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 4: by the success that safeties and defensive tackles, and of course,

1025
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: like we said, interior offensive linemen. Those positions seem to

1026
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 4: be hey man, we got that. You know, the free

1027
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 4: agent we can you can almost plug any free agent

1028
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 4: into that and be successful. But you get to the

1029
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: to the to the ones that really people watch tight ends,

1030
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 4: running backs, wide receivers, and of course quarterbacks. And I

1031
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: guess in saying that those four offensive skill positions, they're

1032
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: kind of tied together, right by the success of the

1033
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: guy that's taking the snaps, right.

1034
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 5: Yeah. And the reality is with quarterback, I mean, there's

1035
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 5: no great quarterbacks hitting free agency. When they have at

1036
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: great quarterbacks hits free agency. There's been weird circumstances, right,

1037
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 5: I mean, go back to Drew Brees. Drew Brees was

1038
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: coming off of these serious labor and tear, real questions

1039
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 5: about his future when he hit free agency. Peyton Manning

1040
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 5: of course hit free agency because he was coming off

1041
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 5: of a serious neck injury concerns about his future. Tom

1042
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 5: Brady was, I believe, forty one years old when he

1043
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 5: hit free agency. I mean, you see centers. Tell Linderbaum

1044
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 5: is one of the best centers in football. I think

1045
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 5: a top five center. To me, you're never going to

1046
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 5: see a top five quarterback hit free agency five years

1047
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 5: into his pro career. You're never going to see a

1048
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 5: top five edge rusher, a top five wide receiver. To

1049
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 5: mention that other offensive good position, those guys get locked

1050
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 5: up because teams don't let them leave. And so with

1051
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: running back, there have been exceptions in recent years. Like

1052
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 5: I said, this is through twenty twenty two, he saw Saintkwon, Barkley,

1053
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry, they signed big deals. Yeah, I mean that

1054
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 5: is I think maybe something got evolving past the point

1055
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 5: where I was finishing my research with the Seas. I

1056
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 5: wanted to have a little bit of time to see

1057
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: how those guys developed after they signed their contract, which

1058
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 5: why it ended it in twenty twenty two. So maybe

1059
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: that's going to position in the next few years. That

1060
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 5: changes things. But we just don't see teams let skillssion

1061
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: players who are really difference makers leave, And like you said,

1062
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 5: you need a quarterback to make all that at work.

1063
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: And for when you have a Josh Allen who develops

1064
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 5: the way Josh Allen did, that's the exception to the rule.

1065
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 5: But you're never going to see teams let quarterbacks go

1066
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 5: the way they do players at just about every other

1067
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: position in football.

1068
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: And then one of the last charts you put together

1069
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: dealt with free agent production by age, and my hopes

1070
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: were initially buoyed because it looked like the success rate

1071
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: was for the most part negligible between ages twenty four

1072
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: to twenty seven and comparing into free agents age twenty

1073
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: to thirty and then thirty one plus. I mean, it's

1074
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: a total difference of five percent from the top to

1075
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: the bottom there. But then you went on to explain

1076
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: that a lot of the thirty one plus ers are quarterbacks,

1077
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: and I said, oh no, because you know, the Bills

1078
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: signed Bradley Chubb, who turns thirty in June, and they

1079
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: acquired granted this is not a free agent, but they

1080
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: acquired DJ Moore who's twenty nine. What can you tell

1081
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: us about the success rate difference that you largely uncovered

1082
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: there between those three different age groups.

1083
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's tough here when you get guys

1084
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 5: like at that level and they're paying Bradley Chubb and

1085
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: Dj Moore a lot of money. Dj Moore is getting

1086
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 5: twenty four and a half million dollars a year over

1087
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 5: the next two years in cash, grabby Chubb fourteen and

1088
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 5: a half million per year on his free agent contract.

1089
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 5: You're paying for certainty, right like you're paying for this

1090
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 5: idea of Okay, we're getting a guy who's going to

1091
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 5: step right in play at a reasonable level, who's going

1092
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 5: to be that player moving forward, And the reality is

1093
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: it does work that way sometimes, and you had players

1094
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 5: who make a difference sometimes, but it is very tough

1095
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 5: to be an NFL player at that level into your

1096
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 5: you know, into your early thirties. Briley Chubb's coming off

1097
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 5: and you're even it's the entire year with the serious injury.

1098
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 5: Dj Moore, his production defined dramatically last season in Chicago,

1099
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 5: even as the rest of the offense was taking a

1100
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 5: step forward. So we could be sitting here in a

1101
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 5: year and saying, Wow, Brandon Bean got a very good

1102
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: d rusher and upgrade on Joey Bosa, didn't have to

1103
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 5: pay that much to do an in Cree agency and

1104
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 5: Dj Moore was a number one receiver who kind of

1105
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 5: just fell out of favor in Chicago and he's still

1106
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 5: in his prime, and man, what a physical force be

1107
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 5: exactly what that those needed as that X receiver or

1108
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 5: could be sitting here in a year saying, hey, Brandon

1109
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 5: Bean paid for a guy who was coming off of

1110
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 5: a serious knee injury and who was not healthy his

1111
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 5: first year of Buffalo got cut and a guy whose

1112
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 5: production got cut in half over two years, and who

1113
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 5: they hired, they acquired on the outside of his career.

1114
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there are two risky moves, so not bad decisions.

1115
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: I don't think we can say sit here now and say,

1116
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: you know, you're a fool to make those choices. Those

1117
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 5: could be two pretty good players, but it's just higher risk.

1118
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 5: You're paying a lot of money for what you believe

1119
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 5: to be certain. See history tells us unfortunately you can't

1120
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 5: be certain about these guys.

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01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: So last one for me, you know, you listed a

1122
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: couple of the big contracts it and I find myself

1123
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 4: smirking because at the time they signed these deals, and

1124
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 4: we're talking to the top three free agents of those

1125
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 4: ten years thirteen through twenty two, twenty thirteen through twenty

1126
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 4: twenty two, the top three deals was Kirk Cousins of

1127
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: Minnesota and Domakin Sue going to the Miami and then

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: Tom Brady as well. And none of these numbers pop

1129
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: your eye. I mean they're also they all seem like

1130
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 4: bargains today and this was just a few years ago.

1131
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: What do you you know, give us an idea of

1132
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: you know, Philip Rivers, Trent Williams, all these big names.

1133
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: You forget they were all free agents. Yeah, where's the

1134
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 4: end of that? I mean, what are we just saw

1135
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and Jigba sign for forty two million a

1136
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: year wide receiver. Where do you see this headed?

1137
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 5: People are going to keep getting I mean, that's the

1138
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 5: NFL is going to keep rising. Unfortunately, I don't know.

1139
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 5: I guess fortunately for players, right, I mean in terms

1140
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 5: of the money that's being paid out. I think if

1141
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 5: you're doing your job as an organization again, you know,

1142
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 5: you're not having to go to those spaces like, yes,

1143
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 5: if you landed Tom Brady, great, you're gonna be thrilled.

1144
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: You know, Philip Verson's grow great, your wonder option for

1145
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 5: the Colts back when he sided it's a free agent

1146
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 5: and the year they lost the Bills very notably in

1147
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 5: the postseason, Donkinsu was okay for the Dolphins to pay

1148
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 5: a ton of money, got okay performance, Kirk Cousins, you know, solid.

1149
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: But right after those guys, you mention those players who

1150
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 5: I think all were pretty good or even better. The

1151
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 5: next three guys in terms of you know, five, six seven,

1152
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 5: in terms of we're six seven eight what they got paid,

1153
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 5: Nick Foles, brock Osweiler and Sam Bradford, who were disasters

1154
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 5: for their teams at quarterback, so you got to be

1155
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 5: very careful. It is a very risky game to play.

1156
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 5: And again, I think if you're Brandon mean, you don't

1157
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 5: want to be filling in your roster saying Okay, we're

1158
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 5: gonna have to get three four five starters a year

1159
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 5: with free agency. They have been a team that's drafted

1160
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: generally on the good side. They've had some rough patches

1161
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 5: here and there, but overall, that's where you want to

1162
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 5: be building your team. Fritz is not the thing you

1163
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: want to be relying upon. You want to use it

1164
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 5: as an extension of what you have in your building,

1165
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 5: not as a solution to turn around your team in

1166
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 5: a year.

1167
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: If you want to see more on this that Bill

1168
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: put together, it's do big NFL free agent signings payoff

1169
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 3: sorting recent deals. Bill, thanks for the time as always,

1170
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: We appreciate it and we'll catch up with you down

1171
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: the line. Enjoy what we call an off season but

1172
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: really never is. Thanks very much, Thanks much, guys.

1173
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: All right, that's Bill.

1174
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: Barnwell, ESPN senior NFL writer who, let's just say he

1175
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: puts the time in when he comes to researching articles

1176
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: like this. This was very eye opening.

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 4: You go down this list and the top guys on

1178
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 4: the list are pretty good. Kirk Cousins put together a

1179
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: nice stretch in Minnesota, he really did. And Dominkin Sue

1180
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 4: played for the Dolphins, and by that time he was

1181
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: never he wasn't really the guy he was in Detroit.

1182
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: Tom Brady of course, goes to Tampa Bay. He wins

1183
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl down there. Philip Rivers goes to Indianapolis

1184
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 4: for a one year deal for twenty five million. Trent

1185
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 4: Williams San Francisco six years, one hundred and thirty eight

1186
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 4: million dollars. That's amazing, Nick Foles, brock Osweiler, Sam Bradford, Olivier, Vernon,

1187
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 4: Teddy Bridgewater. All of a sudden, the list kind of

1188
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: goes south.

1189
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah fast.

1190
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 4: So while at the top of it you've got some

1191
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 4: pretty good success stories, there's also that ugly underbelly that

1192
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 4: you look at. Some of these guys struggled. Thirteenth on

1193
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 4: Bill Barnwell's list. In case some of you are wondering,

1194
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: thirteenth on that list is where Vaughan fell. That deal

1195
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 4: they did with Vaughan where.

1196
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 3: And it was described as disappointing.

1197
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you never got to see how good he

1198
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: could have been, and that's the real risk. You get

1199
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 4: a guy older and longer than the tooth. Injuries become

1200
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,959
Speaker 4: a part of the equation you can and it's still unpredictable.

1201
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 3: The overarching conclusion Arnwell made suggests there's a forty one

1202
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 3: percent chance that a typical top fifty free agent will

1203
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: produce a successful contract, either by living up to the

1204
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: expectations implied by the contract value or exceeding them, and

1205
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: that when he come. When it comes to the players

1206
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: at the very top of the market, they're usually is

1207
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 3: a high variance, you know, in terms of success or failure,

1208
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: and a lot of teams are doing that where at

1209
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: the quarterback position, they're desperately searching for a quarterback and

1210
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: there is high variance there and it usually doesn't.

1211
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 4: End well because there's always a different situation that the

1212
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: quarterback's leaving and the different situations than where he's headed to.

1213
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: Those variables are vast, and you get a guy that clicked,

1214
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: was well coached, the franchise was built for his skill set,

1215
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 4: that kind of thing parachuting into another situation that's not

1216
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 4: so good where the coaching is different and it doesn't work,

1217
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 4: and he doesn't have as much support, he doesn't have

1218
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 4: the kind of offense or this kind of scheme that

1219
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 4: makes him thrive. All of that stuff's in the mix,

1220
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 4: particularly at that spot. Now. Certainly if he's the right

1221
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 4: guy and a young and that's why they don't get away,

1222
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: Josh Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, all these players, they could

1223
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: be successful in a ton of different situations. Not everybody's

1224
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 4: like that.

1225
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did find it interesting that when he splits

1226
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: it by position, when you're dealing with a top fifteen player,

1227
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 3: the highest success rate is a defensive tackle. An interior

1228
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 3: line safety is third at fifty three percent. But when

1229
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: you get a little deeper into the market, Wave two,

1230
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: Wave three, the most successful position in free agency is safety,

1231
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 3: and the Bills scooped up two of them. So that's

1232
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 3: in current they.

1233
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 4: Probably skewed the entire.

1234
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: And then by age, you know, this is where I

1235
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: was like, oh, well what does this mean? Because you

1236
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 3: know DJ Moore wasn't a free agent, but he was

1237
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: acquired via trade. He's a twenty nine year old and

1238
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: Bradley Chubb's going to turn thirty in June. He was

1239
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: signed and so what's the success rate players age twenty

1240
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: eight to thirty success rate of thirty nine point four

1241
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: percent thirty one plus thirty nine point six percent. And

1242
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: the reason that's slightly higher is because free agents that

1243
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: are over thirty one years old that are signed to

1244
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: big contracts are typically quarterbacks, right, So there's that's a

1245
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: little skew to the numbers.

1246
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 4: But the physicality doesn't affect them as much.

1247
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: But even if you're a free agent age twenty four

1248
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 3: to twenty seven, your success rate's only forty four percent,

1249
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 3: it's only about five percent higher than the twenty eight

1250
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: to thirty year olds. And to me, looking at those numbers,

1251
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 3: that says to me, well, there's a reason a twenty

1252
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: four to twenty seven year old's a free agent in

1253
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: the first place, because they probably haven't panned out at

1254
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 3: their first place where they played right right, and a

1255
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: team doesn't feel the need to hang on to them.

1256
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 3: So there's a reason why their success is below fifty percent. Also,

1257
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: they're still young and in their prime, but something's missing,

1258
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: which is why they're available in the first This.

1259
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 4: Is no it's interesting too. This is no small sample

1260
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 4: size a five hundred guys over the course over ten years,

1261
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: over ten years, so it's pretty I think it's a

1262
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 4: fair samp PRIs all telling sample size. It's really interesting.

1263
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 4: And while you do talk about these guys as being

1264
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 4: numbers and stats, they're all individual guys and they all

1265
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 4: have their own things. And thirty two different variables as

1266
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 4: organizations and five hundred different guys as players makes for

1267
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 4: a lot of combinations of success failure, plus the evaluation

1268
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 4: process for twenty two different types of success. And you're

1269
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 4: gonna think, too, did he even I don't even know

1270
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: that he put it in. I don't even think he did.

1271
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 4: He didn't even include kickers, right, Like the kickers and

1272
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 4: the punters aren't even in And those guys, those guys

1273
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 4: move around like cards in a ya, but they don't.

1274
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: More often than not, they're not signing top right market

1275
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 3: deals unless there's some juggernaut.

1276
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 4: Well unless yeah, they might sign a top notch deeal

1277
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 4: for a kicker punter. But those guys are moved around like,

1278
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 4: like I say, like cards in a deck. So those

1279
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: aren't even listed in his results, so he's not even

1280
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 4: talking about them. So these aren't like and that's where

1281
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 4: you always see it at this time of years say

1282
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 4: well we're gonna we're gonna bring in a couple of

1283
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 4: kickers for training camp. You know, they'll do that after

1284
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 4: the draft, but they still get evaluated. So that's this

1285
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 4: is all. These are the twenty two starting spot. Well

1286
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 4: it's twenty I say twenty two, but safety is actually

1287
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 4: two positions on the defense and it's only one slot form,

1288
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: so they're interchangeable. But that's that's a really interesting statistical analysis.

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Speaker 4: And you have to go back and look at the

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 4: ins and outs of five hundred different players to get

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Speaker 4: a real sense of you know, because even this is

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 4: the thing you'd be hard pressed to have people like

1293
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 4: look at the Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer's signings and

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 4: say that was anything but a success. Those guys were

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01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 4: they exceeded or met expectations of their signing. However, at safety,

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: what are the expectations there? So the bar is a

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01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 4: little lower than it is at quarterback. That's another aspect

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 4: of this that's difficult to parse out in relation to

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Speaker 4: other positions and other players and other situations. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: it's really interesting when you get into the nuts and

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 4: bolts of this.

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Speaker 3: I think if there's one thing that it reinforces. It's

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: that long term success in terms of having a strong

1304
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: and upper echelon roster is rooted in drafting. Well, you

1305
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 3: use free agency to fill gaps in your roster, maybe

1306
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 3: add a veteran to a room that doesn't have one,

1307
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 3: and because you you do not want to be using

1308
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 3: free agency to fill giant holes that were a result

1309
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 3: of draft misses.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I think too that. One other thing that

1311
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: says about this day is we spend too much. We're

1312
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 4: talking about ten year statistical analysis of free agency.

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01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate that stuff. I do, so I'm glad we

1314
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: got Bill.

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 4: It's our job.

1316
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate people.

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 4: I hope there's at least one person outside of this

1318
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 4: room who's appreciating us talking about this because it's interesting

1319
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: for us. It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when I was writing for Buffalo Bills dot Com,

1321
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 3: this is the stuff I'd be digging through. Yeah, season,

1322
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 3: So I appreciate it because I know the work that

1323
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: was in detern.

1324
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 4: Think about it, Like those names on that list I talked.

1325
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 4: I read Endominkan Sue. I was like, oh my gosh,

1326
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,919
Speaker 4: I forgot he even existed.

1327
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 3: And that deal was considered.

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: Enormous six years, one hundred and fourteen million in twenty fifteen.

1329
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: Yep, it was that guy was a dude. It was

1330
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: a big one. We got to take a break here

1331
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,480
Speaker 3: when we come back, more of your thoughts on the tweetsheet.

1332
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 3: Have the Bills additions thus far this offseason changed your

1333
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 3: mind about what position the Bills should take at pick

1334
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 3: twenty six. We also got some flag football news coming

1335
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: your way, as we'll have one of the coaches in

1336
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: here in just a moment. Got to take a break

1337
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: right now, but that's coming your way as well here

1338
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: on One Bill's Wife. All right, welcome back to One

1339
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: Bill's Block. Chris Brown, Steve Chast with you, and wanted

1340
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 3: to take a few minutes to highlight an event that's

1341
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 3: going to be taking place right here at One Bill's

1342
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: Drive in the team's field house. Bills are going to

1343
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 3: be hosting a high school girls flag kickoff. A record

1344
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 3: seventy area teams are going to participate here from the

1345
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: twenty seventh to the twenty ninth this coming weekend. It's

1346
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty six high school girl flag football kickoff.

1347
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: Huge events, seventy confirmed teams participating. As we mentioned and

1348
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: it's expected to be the largest kickoff since the event's

1349
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 3: inception in twenty twenty two. More than seventeen hundred fifty

1350
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 3: athletes will be performing. And here to help kind of

1351
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: pump that up a little bit more and tell us

1352
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 3: a little bit more about the growth of the rapid

1353
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 3: growth of this sport is Villa Maria College Women's flag

1354
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: football head coach Keith Wing, who also coaches a Western

1355
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 3: New York Flash team as well. And Keith, I gotta say,

1356
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: I knew this was growing in popularity, but I mean,

1357
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 3: this is like a meteor right now with as many girls,

1358
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: young girls in Western New York that are jumping on board.

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 3: Because I know likely Western New York has done very

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 3: well in the state wide flag competitions, you know, winning

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 3: state titles and such. It seems like it has fueled

1362
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 3: the growth here. Would you agree with that.

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 6: One hundred percent?

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01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 7: It's been really incredible to see over the last four

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 7: years the rapid growth of the sport, and I think

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01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 7: in large part that is due to the support from

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01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 7: the Buffalo Bills. You know, a gentleman who probably does

1368
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 7: not get enough credit, as Preston Tigu.

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01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 6: Who works for the Buffalo Bills, because I really.

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 7: Believe without him, we don't have girls' flight football looking

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 7: like it does now in Western New York and across

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01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 7: the state.

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and one of the reasons is, you know, the

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 4: efforts that the Bills put into it. I mean, Brownie

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 4: and I work in the building. We see people, you know,

1376
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 4: practicing out here. There's the building's always open. They've got

1377
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: two hundred in statewide, they've got two hundred and fifty

1378
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: five public schools, but almost you know, almost forty ninety

1379
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 4: one of them are from here in Western New York.

1380
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 4: It really seems like this region has really been the

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 4: cutting edge of the growth in the whole state.

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Speaker 7: I agree with the one hundred percent of the Buffalo

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 7: and Rochester regions have really been you know, Section five

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01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 7: and Section six been leaders in flag football. And to

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01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 7: piggyback on what Chris said earlier, you know, we've had

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01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 7: a lot of success this past year. Pioneer won the

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01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 7: high school girls state championship, which was outstanding. But yeah,

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01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 7: the Bills, you know, as you can see from the

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 7: highlights going on right here, have done a lot to

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 7: give girls teams space and resources to get going.

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Speaker 6: And it's they've been instrumental in making this.

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: Happen, and it's one thing, you know, to start it

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 3: at the high school level, but now you know, from

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 3: what we understand, they're trying to have this grassroots effort

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: to grow it even more at the modified level. So

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: you almost have like a feeder program for those high

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 3: school clubs. How would you assess the development at that level?

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Speaker 7: That's that's really just kind of started last year, and

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 7: so we're really starting to see some high schools take

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 7: on a modified approach where they offer spots to seven

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 7: date the ninth graders. And it's a sport in this

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 7: area where you don't see a lot of kids played

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01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 7: at the youth level. So and I especially mean that

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 7: relative to other states, are relative to Canada, and so

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01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 7: it's great when we can get some of these kids

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 7: in there at the younger ages, get them trying out

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 7: the sport, seeing what they enjoy about it, and so

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 7: that they're ready when the varsity season rolls around.

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01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,879
Speaker 4: Huge high school girls flag kickoff coming up this weekend,

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 4: seventy teams showing up from March twenty seventh through the

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 4: twenty ninth. Just let me what does this look like

1412
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 4: when you show up here.

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 3: You got's a lot of athletes.

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01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 4: What's this going to look like? Keith?

1415
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 7: So, typically when the Bills and the Bills put on

1416
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 7: a great show, but the Bills will have several organized

1417
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,480
Speaker 7: scrimmages that go on and it runs like clockwork.

1418
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 6: So you get a schedule.

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 7: If you're a high school coach, you know who you're playing,

1420
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 7: when your team playing, when you get a break. Typically

1421
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 7: there are special guests on hand, like I remember last

1422
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 7: year Javon Solomon joined US. I remember Izzy Jerrasi, who's

1423
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 7: a team USA wide receiver superstar joined US. So I

1424
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 7: mean there's also opportunities for photo ops with some of

1425
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 7: the different Bills things that they have there.

1426
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 6: But it really runs super efficiently.

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 7: But you're right, it's a packed house and there's a

1428
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 7: lot of flight football.

1429
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 6: Going on and a lot in a short amount of time.

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01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 3: And the last one I've got for you, Keith, like,

1431
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: as much as this is growing at the scholastic level,

1432
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: you're obviously coaching at Villa Maria College. So can you

1433
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: just kind of paint the picture as to the growth

1434
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 3: that is happening at the college level and the opportunities

1435
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 3: this could provide, you know, for girls in high school

1436
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 3: that are looking to carry on their athletic careers once

1437
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: they get to college.

1438
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1439
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 6: Absolutely so Villain Maria College. We started three years ago.

1440
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 7: We were the first team in New York State and

1441
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 7: since that time there have been a lot of other

1442
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 7: schools that have joined.

1443
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 6: Just in the western New.

1444
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 7: York region we had Duville, Brockport, Roberts Wesley and Geneseo,

1445
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 7: and across the state there are many other teams.

1446
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 6: So there's a lot of opportunity.

1447
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 7: There's scholarships that are available, you know, they're the opportunity

1448
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 7: to play at the collegiate level. And it's really picked

1449
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 7: up across the country. Like I said, I think our

1450
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,879
Speaker 7: first year three years ago, maybe there was fifty teams,

1451
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 7: and I think now there's you know, there's got to

1452
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 7: be a couple hundred teams across the country.

1453
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 6: So it's really picked up steam in a short amount

1454
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 6: of time.

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 4: Keith Wing, Hey, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it.

1456
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 4: And good luck this weekend with the enormous event here

1457
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 4: in Buffalo.

1458
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks go Bills.

1459
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 4: Thanks Keith.

1460
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: So that's a Keith Wing. He's a Villa Maria coach

1461
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 3: for women's flag football, and I mean that's the thing too,

1462
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: Like it's one thing to get involved, you know when

1463
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 3: you're maybe a junior high athlete and you want to

1464
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 3: try this as a new sport, and then maybe you

1465
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 3: find out you're pretty good. Edge you go on to

1466
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 3: high school, you start participating in tournaments like this one

1467
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 3: that's going to be here One Bill's Drive this weekend,

1468
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: and then you find out you're pretty dang good. It's

1469
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: like you can get a scholarship.

1470
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 4: Would you like to come to you get a scholarship football? Hey?

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 4: Why not? So it's awesome. But we've we've been in

1472
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 4: here obviously, this field house, I mean yeah, every once

1473
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 4: in a while there comes events where it's packed and

1474
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 4: this is going to be one of them. And there's

1475
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 4: stuff going on. You know, they play cross across the field,

1476
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 4: so they've gotten multiple games going on all the time.

1477
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 4: And it is Yeah, it looks like chaos, but as

1478
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 4: you said, as Keith said, it runs like clockwork. Like

1479
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 4: to thank all the members of the staff here at

1480
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: One Bill's Drive, Presstontigue most importantly for ram roding this

1481
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 4: thing getting it on because it's no small task and

1482
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 4: man oh man, they work hard to get it done.

1483
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean press and Tegue in our community relations

1484
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 3: and youth football department really kind of is the tip

1485
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 3: of the spear on this at least is it in

1486
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 3: terms of what happens around here and in Western New

1487
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 3: York To a great degree too, when you heard Keith

1488
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 3: even mention, you know, without him, some events like this

1489
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 3: just don't happen. So tip of the hat to Preston

1490
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: as well, who we've worked with for the better part

1491
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 3: of the last twenty years, so we've seen his efforts.

1492
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: It's nice to see the growth of flag football. He's

1493
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 3: a big reason why we wanted to pivot back two

1494
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: our discussion today, which centers around the Bill's free agent

1495
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: additions thus far and whether or not it's changed your

1496
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: mind on what position you think the Bills should address

1497
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: in a Round one O the draft. And we're going

1498
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 3: to go right back to the tweetsheet where I think

1499
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: on the whole most people have not had their minds

1500
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 3: changed by the trade acquisition of DJ Moore, the signing

1501
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 3: of Bradley Chubb, and two veteran safeties in CJ. Gardner,

1502
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 3: Johnson and Geno Stone. Also the corner d Alford was added,

1503
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 3: So we'll pick things up with Brian, whose mind has

1504
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 3: not changed either. He says, no, they spent big money

1505
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: on edge and wide receiver, A good edge and wide

1506
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 3: receiver a far more expensive to the roster when not

1507
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 3: on a rookie deal. We're signing a draft home the

1508
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: second deal. So Brian still wants what he wants. He

1509
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 3: just didn't tell us what that was. So his mind

1510
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 3: wasn't changed. He knows what they spend big money on,

1511
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 3: he didn't tell us what he'd like to still see them.

1512
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 4: An whatever it is he's he hasn't changed. I'm it'll

1513
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: be interesting to see. But yeah, everybody's got their own.

1514
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 4: I mean, that's part of the fun of this whole thing,

1515
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 4: is people putting themselves in Brandon Bean's chair and making

1516
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 4: those moves. Yeah, they edge, defensive end and the wide

1517
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 4: receiver were the big moves this offseason in free agency

1518
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 4: and then obviously through the trade. I think it's depending

1519
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 4: on how you feel about DJ Moore. Yeah, that's that's

1520
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: the crux of the entire equation because wide receiver has

1521
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 4: always been a front burner issue for yeah, some Bills fans,

1522
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 4: most Bills fans. Hasn't been for me, But Dj Moore

1523
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: is a player, and if you got the production, you're

1524
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 4: gonna get this. If you got his average career production

1525
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 4: over eight year, all eight years, including whatever, if you

1526
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 4: thought he had a down year last year, whatever that

1527
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 4: number is, including that number over his eight year career.

1528
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 4: If you get that out of DJ Moore, people will

1529
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 4: be doing cart wheels. They will be doing cartwheels because

1530
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 4: it's about seventy plus receptions and over one thousand yards

1531
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 4: he averages over the eight years of his career. So

1532
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 4: let's see.

1533
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Andrew on the tweets sheet says, I'd really like

1534
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: to see them get a decent nose tackle. But do

1535
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 3: you really want to use the first round pick on

1536
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 3: a nose tackle? Knowing Bean I wouldn't be opposed if

1537
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: he traded back, got a second round pick and maybe

1538
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 3: an additional third and address the edge as well. So

1539
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 3: while Andrew wants a nose tackle, he doesn't feel it's

1540
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 3: a premium enough position to address in round one, even

1541
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 3: all the way down at twenty six. And I don't know,

1542
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: maybe he feels that it's because it's only a two

1543
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 3: down player, perhaps that it's not worth a premium pick

1544
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: at twenty six. I understand that. I think there are

1545
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 3: some people out there that feel the same way about linebacker.

1546
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: If it's a deep linebacker class, why am I going

1547
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: to waste the twenty six pick on a linebacker there

1548
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 3: when I could trade back and get a very good

1549
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: one in the top half of the second round. So

1550
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 3: if that's where you're landing because you hate the value

1551
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 3: at a premium position at twenty six, like edge rusher

1552
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 3: or wide receiver, maybe the cupboard's bear, well, then yeah,

1553
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: move back, get an extra pick in the third round,

1554
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: and then you can swing at some of those non

1555
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 3: premium positions with more picks. You slide back from twenty six,

1556
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: and let's just say you do the Field Yates trade

1557
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 3: that he suggested in his two round mock, where you

1558
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: get a pick at thirty five and then sixty five

1559
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 3: and you take a nose tackle, a linebacker, and another receiver.

1560
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: Let's just say that. Would you be happy with that?

1561
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: I think you'd be pretty happy with that, provided you

1562
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 3: you know, like the value that.

1563
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 4: You I've thrown this name around a bunch, and you know,

1564
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 4: we talk about Ted Washington and how what a dominant

1565
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 4: nose tackle he was played for. What's from nineteen ninety

1566
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 4: one to two thousand and seven. He was a first

1567
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 4: round draft pick. I think he was like the fourteenth

1568
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 4: player overall or something like that. He was a you

1569
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 4: gotta go high if you're gonna get a difference maker,

1570
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 4: and those tackles no different you're not gonna get. I

1571
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 4: don't think you'll get a Hall of Fame you know,

1572
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 4: shoe in Hall of Fame guy outside the round one,

1573
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 4: they're hard to find. So if you're gonna get a

1574
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 4: guy that you're gonna say, yeah, I'm glad we got

1575
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 4: that guy, you're gonna have to do do it at

1576
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 4: twenty six or higher, particularly a one of those one spots.

1577
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there are gonna be a couple of

1578
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: O's tackles with first round grades.

1579
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 4: There.

1580
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: There's probably two or three that will merit first round consideration.

1581
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: And then I remember we were talking to Daniel Jeremiah

1582
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 3: at the combine and he's of the opinion that there's

1583
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 3: going to be another cluster of them in round three.

1584
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 3: So if you don't want to spend a first round

1585
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: pick on that, and you want to recoup more draft

1586
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 3: capital to address more of these defensive positions, moving back

1587
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: might very well be the play because if you have

1588
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 3: two third rounders because you move back into the second round,

1589
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 3: you might miss one of the top two or three

1590
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 3: o's tackles in round one, but you'll be right. You'll

1591
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: be at the front and back of the round in

1592
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 3: round three to be somewhere in position to jump in

1593
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: on the run in that area where the other clusters are.

1594
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 4: Even if all of a sudden those guys are all gone,

1595
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 4: you're gonna be in a position to get the next

1596
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 4: a good player. I you're I said this yesterday, and

1597
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 4: I still believe it. I I'll reiterate it. A lot

1598
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 4: of the problems you get with round one players is

1599
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 4: all the baggage that goes and expectations to go along

1600
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 4: with a one first round draft pick, whether he deserves

1601
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 4: it or not. You got if there are twelve guys

1602
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: who every team in the league or the consensus of

1603
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 4: teams have in the league that there's only twelve or

1604
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 4: fifteen guys in the round that deserve a first round

1605
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 4: draft pick. That means twenty guys are gonna get everything

1606
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 4: that comes with a first round draft pick, including the expectations,

1607
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 4: and they're gonna disappoint because of that. Because they weren't

1608
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 4: a first round or to begin with. Yeah, but somebody had.

1609
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 4: Somebody had.

1610
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to get picked.

1611
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 4: Somebody's got to get picked.

1612
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, break time for us here some final thoughts from

1613
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: the tweet sheet when we return here on one Bill's Live.

1614
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: All right, the final comments here on the tweet sheet

1615
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: where we've been asking you all day. The additions this

1616
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: offseason changed your mind about what position to address in

1617
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 3: round one of the draft. Jack says they need a

1618
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: true three to four defensive ends, someone who's six' four

1619
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 3: taller and two eighty plus to hold the point of

1620
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: attack and free up the rush for outside Linebackers chubb And.

1621
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 3: Rousseau Maybe sanders can be, one but beyond, that who

1622
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: do not sell me On? Oliver he's too short and

1623
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 3: not enough bend ed will be an even package interior.

1624
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: Rusher it's not a bad point because right now IT'S. Tj,

1625
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: Sanders Landon, Jackson Dwayne, carter And Ed. Oliver those are

1626
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 3: your four quote unquote defensive. Ends now we might be arguing.

1627
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 3: Semantics they might be listed as a defensive tackle with

1628
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: a nose tackle on the defensive. End sometimes it's two

1629
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 3: ends with a nose. Tackle it's kind of semantic, Positionally.

1630
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 4: Yeah And russeau has played with his hand on the.

1631
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 4: Ground he probably won't from now, on.

1632
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 3: Right BUT i mean defensive quote, unquote defensive end are

1633
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 3: now interior a lignement in this system next to the nose.

1634
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 3: Tackle sanders has played that. Position jackson has played that.

1635
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: Position Dwayne carter And Ed oliver have.

1636
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 4: Not.

1637
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 3: Now Ed oliver in college played zero up nose. Tackle

1638
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 3: that's not happening.

1639
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 4: Here Dean walker is going to play defensive.

1640
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 3: End he might play nos if you don't get another, One, okay, yeah,

1641
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 3: Maybe SO i get the Point i'm trying to make

1642
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: is there's nobody at THE nfl level with experience in that.

1643
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: Role it's impossible because we don't know WHAT. Tj, sanders

1644
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 4: doesn't know What Dwayne carter. Is we don't know What

1645
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 4: sanders Or carter. Are that's my.

1646
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 3: POINT i have no, idea and that's WHY i was

1647
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 3: saying even earlier in the, offseason with this change that

1648
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 3: you're making to this defensive, system you can project and

1649
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 3: think those guys are good, fits and they very very. Well,

1650
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 3: maybe but it'd be nice to have some insurance in

1651
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 3: the form of a veteran with proven production in a

1652
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: system like this at THE nfl, level.

1653
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 4: We can't can't have, Everything. Brownie you can't can't have, everything.

1654
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 3: Just like we can't have more time to discuss this

1655
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 3: because we're out of time, Today But steve And i'll

1656
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: be back to talk about it more tomorrow here On

1657
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 3: One Bill's. Live as, always we'll see.

1658
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 4: It won