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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, Welcome, Hey, everybody, welcome home.

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Speaker 1: I am your host of Native lampod this solo pod. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Angela Rai and today I sound happy, But I ain't

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Speaker 1: that dog unhappy because let me tell y'all this right

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Speaker 1: here is the Trump administration's executive order called Restoring Truth

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Speaker 1: and Sanity to American History. Now, what I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about today is the fact that this actually is

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Speaker 1: not a new approach. What the Trump administration is doing

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Speaker 1: is what white folks in this country have been doing

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Speaker 1: a long time. Y'all. There's nothing new under the sun.

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Speaker 1: The Bible says that, and so does our history. If

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Speaker 1: we are allowed to continue to see that history.

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Speaker 2: What's happening in.

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Speaker 1: This administration right now is mass erasure.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Some people say, Oh, I didn't

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Speaker 2: know what was going to happen. Why would they do that?

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Speaker 2: What's the harmon knowing our history?

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked those questions. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: There's a little thing that we've talked about on this

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Speaker 1: podcast multiple times called Project twenty twenty five. It is

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Speaker 1: all there, and if you can't find it in Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, I dare you to google Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five and the Smithsonian. I dare you to google

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five and the National Park Service. You

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Speaker 1: might be wondering, what the hell does the National Park

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Speaker 1: Service have to do with this? Again, I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: you asked. We're gonna get into all that today and more. First,

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Speaker 1: I want to just address this fact. Does the Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five address the Smithsonian in and of itself?

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Speaker 2: No, but the.

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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, which is the holder of Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: the convener of Project twenty twenty five. How the authors

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Speaker 1: of each section came together for Project twenty twenty five. Well,

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Speaker 1: they have on their website in an article reference and

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Speaker 1: Seeing sixteen nineteen and other things that what is going

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Speaker 1: to destroy the fabric of this country is something called

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Speaker 1: woke indoctrination.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is that? Do y'all know? Neither do I.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling it has something to do with

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Speaker 1: this teaching people black history, just something to do with

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Speaker 1: the books they think should be banned, books like the

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Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen project, which the Heritage Foundation talks about in

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Speaker 1: an article on their website. You should google that two

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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation sixteen nineteen project. Why am I telling you

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Speaker 1: all to go and look at what the enemy is doing?

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Speaker 1: Some of y'all might be saying, why are you call

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Speaker 1: them the enemy? Because anybody that's trying to erase you

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Speaker 1: still kill and destroy who you are the legacy of

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Speaker 1: your people in this country. I'm pretty damn sure their enemies.

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Speaker 1: So why am I telling you to go look at

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Speaker 1: what the enemy's doing? How are you going to prepare

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Speaker 1: for the fight ahead if you don't know what's coming? Right,

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Speaker 1: there's only one way to prepare for the fight ahead.

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Speaker 1: These folks put their playbook, they put their strategy on

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Speaker 1: their website for all this. They typed up nine hundred

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Speaker 1: something pages about the direction that they think the country

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Speaker 1: should go in in Project.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, So we should utilize it now.

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Speaker 1: I want to bring this up because just last year

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Speaker 1: or over I'll say last two years, you all saw

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Speaker 1: elected officials from both sides of the isle, and we

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Speaker 1: the Isle who cannot say that America is a racist country?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: And it was really frustrating to a lot of us

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Speaker 1: because we're like, well, what country are you living in?

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Speaker 1: Because clearly this country has racist history, It's rooted in

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Speaker 1: racist history. You built your whole economy on the backs

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Speaker 2: Clearly there's racist history. And clearly when you look at.

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Speaker 1: George Zimmerman who killed George Floyd, I'm sorry that was

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Speaker 1: a Freudian slip, George Zimmerman who killed Trayvon Martin, George

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Speaker 2: The many other ways in.

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Speaker 1: Which vigilantes and the process by which vigilantes operated under

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Speaker 2: Still exists to this day.

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Speaker 1: Right when you look at that, you know that racism

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Speaker 2: You know that racism is still alive in this country.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the number of contractors, whether on

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Speaker 1: In those spaces, you know that racism is still alive

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Speaker 1: this country. It may be uncomfortable, it may be something

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Speaker 1: painful for you to see the obvious. But we're not

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Speaker 1: So what I want to get into today is the

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Speaker 1: fact that they actually put us in harm's way by

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Speaker 1: not being able to say that America is a racist country.

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Speaker 1: Because what's happened as a result is Donald Trump's administration

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Speaker 2: Certain words woke.

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Speaker 1: Uh, what's let me tell you what a Western foundations?

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Speaker 1: What else do they have in here? We're going to

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Speaker 1: go into this things around oppression. Any of those words

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Speaker 1: so they are offended. For example, this is the executive

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Speaker 2: Right, they have.

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Speaker 1: On their uh in this executive word on page TEO

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Speaker 1: of this exact executive order. For example, the Smithsonian American

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Speaker 1: Race and American Sculpture and exhibit representing that societies, including

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Speaker 1: The exhibit further claims that sculpture has been a powerful

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Speaker 1: stating race is a human invention.

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Speaker 2: Now, they would have you believe that these quotes are

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Speaker 1: They would have you believe that centering race is a

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Speaker 1: divisive tactic, which is what they say right above that

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Speaker 2: But we have to come to terms with the fact that.

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Speaker 1: Slavery was an awful institution, and it is the reason

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Speaker 1: because our ancestors were forced here right in the belly

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Speaker 1: is one of the places where enslaved people were brought.

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Speaker 1: Now, what I think is important for us to kind

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Speaker 1: of dissect here is why is it that what does

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Speaker 2: Worth rewriting. Right.

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Speaker 1: We know that if they can destroy our history, they

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Speaker 1: And here's what I really think is beneath this there's

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Speaker 1: the year. But that bill is a reparations bill.

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Speaker 2: Congressman Conyers.

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Speaker 1: Congressman John Conyers began introducing the bill, I believe in

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Speaker 1: HR forty. This bill was merely designed to establish a

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Speaker 1: commission and to study the DISASTERIX disaster disastrous impacts of

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Speaker 1: the Transatlantic slave trade and the institutional slavery in the

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Speaker 2: Here's what I believe is happening. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: This executive order that Donald Trump signed at the end

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Speaker 1: of March on March twenty seventh, I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: they're only doing this to absolve themselves of white guilt.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that they want to get rid of

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Speaker 2: I think that it's far more sick in its intention.

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Speaker 1: I believe that if they can reframe slavery, if they

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Speaker 1: I believe it is that that it's that sick. They

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Speaker 2: And to that, I do want to say this too.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think that this executive order is

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Speaker 1: just about what we call the Black Sonia, the National

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Speaker 1: This is about all Smithsonian properties. That's twenty one museums

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Speaker 1: But that's not the only in road. And this isn't new.

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Speaker 2: Let's roll this clip.

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Speaker 3: As we mentioned talking points memo, Michelle Obama referenced slaves

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Speaker 3: building the White House and referring to the evolution of

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Speaker 3: The history behind a remark is fascinating. George Washington selected

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Speaker 3: the cornerstone in seventeen ninety two. Washington was then running

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Speaker 3: the country out of Philadelphia. Slaves did participate in the

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Speaker 3: construction of the White House. Record show about four hundred

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Speaker 3: payments made to slave masters between seven ninety five and

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Speaker 3: It was only later on they named it the White House,

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Speaker 3: But there were others working as well.

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Speaker 1: What like the fact that we're talking about it, and

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Speaker 1: You know, uh automotive service, you know the train and

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Speaker 1: And some people will need to focus on what has

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Speaker 2: We need all hands on deck.

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Speaker 1: So I want you all to reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at STATEOFTHEPPL dot com, Stateadthepeople dot com, State of the People,

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Speaker 2: We are better together.

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Speaker 1: One fist can strike a mighty blow, y'all. So with that,

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Speaker 1: We don't need to end with bill O'Reilly, But just

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