Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome to Real Time Crime. I'm
Speaker 1: Leo Lamar. I'm a comedian and an actor, and I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with true crime. So what a comedy and crime
Speaker 1: have in common? A lot, and we're gonna find out
Speaker 1: while we go through this podcast. Why do I obsess
Speaker 1: over true crime? It's because I need to know every
Speaker 1: detail of every single story, because they say that the
Speaker 1: devil's in the details. So we're going to find out
Speaker 1: who's the devil here. And for me, I know that
Speaker 1: any time I'm dating a guy, I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to know if he's going to murder me or not.
Speaker 1: We got to find out if he's a serial killer.
Speaker 1: And most of the men I've dated, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: they have murdered lots of Captain crunch. So here we
Speaker 1: are today to find out a little bit more about
Speaker 1: crimes in real time. And I with me my friend
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp. Teddy, how are you? I'm doing great? I
Speaker 1: am Teddy Mellencamp. I am a mom, fitness and health
Speaker 1: wellness enthusiasts, and even more importantly, I will go down
Speaker 1: any rabbit hole and dig down any crime because I
Speaker 1: will do your dirty work on any topic involving any
Speaker 1: bad guy. So I'm really glad that you're my podcasting
Speaker 1: crime partner. Thank you so much for being here. And
Speaker 1: you may hear in the background our producer Dmitri chiming
Speaker 1: in from time to time with a male perspective. Hello Dmitri, Hello,
Speaker 1: very minimal. So on this podcast, we're going to be
Speaker 1: covering a lot of cases, and we are all obsessed
Speaker 1: with this case, right, beyond obsessed with this kind of obsessed.
Speaker 1: This is the Gabby Petito Brian Laundry case. And so
Speaker 1: let me give you a little rundown of the case.
Speaker 1: And just in case you haven't heard of it, can
Speaker 1: I say case one more time? More? Okay, thank you,
Speaker 1: in case somebody didn't catch it. Perfect, Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: the four one one on the Gabby Petito case. So,
Speaker 1: Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry are high school sweethearts and
Speaker 1: on again, off again fiance's. We can both say that's
Speaker 1: a bad sign, right, we can both say that the
Speaker 1: fact that they were on again, off again and living
Speaker 1: with his parents and his mom still paid for his
Speaker 1: cell phone and he had no nothing that he did
Speaker 1: on his own, is it is a bad sign to me,
Speaker 1: he's your mama's boy. Okay, So Brian and Gabby set
Speaker 1: out in July and a converted van a k hashtag
Speaker 1: van life to make vlogs also a bad sign. If
Speaker 1: we're being honest, I'm sorry, but if you're living in
Speaker 1: a van, are you really living? Also? Why how can
Speaker 1: you say that you hate social media if you're doing
Speaker 1: a vlog and you're constantly posting. If you're living in
Speaker 1: a van, that's a bad sign because you're living in
Speaker 1: a coffin on wheels. If you're living in a van,
Speaker 1: you don't have any of your own, You're you're living
Speaker 1: off your parents and the van you're traveling. You can't
Speaker 1: From what I know, he hates everybody and everything and
Speaker 1: all plastics. And I get not liking plastic, but also
Speaker 1: he hates anybody that's ever used plastic. Also, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of women need to get their roots done
Speaker 1: once a month, right, like there's gonna think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think probably Gabby had to get her roots done
Speaker 1: from time to time. This family life is just not
Speaker 1: for her and we found this out the hard way.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this, We're gonna keep going a
Speaker 1: little bit more in the case. But I want to
Speaker 1: say this guy was covered in red flags. He loves
Speaker 1: to read books about serial killers who go on road trips. Hello, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's already red flash. She was also reading The
Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer. There was trouble in Paradise. Okay. So so
Speaker 1: they started this trip in July and they were going
Speaker 1: to end the trip on Halloween, and they were going
Speaker 1: across country and they were going to visit a ton
Speaker 1: of national parks. They were going to Utah, Wyoming, etcetera.
Speaker 1: They got into a couple of fights along the way,
Speaker 1: and then Brian came home September one in Gabby's van
Speaker 1: without Gabby. Don Don don Where's Gabby? That seems like
Speaker 1: a big problem. September eleven is when Gabby's mom filed
Speaker 1: a report that she was a missing person. And now
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry is on the run and in hiding, and
Speaker 1: we don't have much information because he and his family
Speaker 1: have been pleading the fifth ever since. So that's the
Speaker 1: latest rundown in a nutshell of what's going on with
Speaker 1: the Brian Laundry case. Correct, But throughout this we've gone
Speaker 1: through many pivots, highs and lows. At the beginning, everybody
Speaker 1: thought that this was a publicity stunt. Everybody thought this
Speaker 1: was to instagrammers and vloggers who wanted to build their accounts.
Speaker 1: And because he had gone back to Florida to empty
Speaker 1: a storage unit in the middle of this trip, which
Speaker 1: who does that? And they you know this, you know
Speaker 1: her missing was it makes absolutely nose and leaving her
Speaker 1: at a fair filled end by herself first a fair
Speaker 1: filled in put her in a five star hotel. My guy,
Speaker 1: you said you loved her, Yeah, don't don't leave her
Speaker 1: at the fair filled end. So this is when it
Speaker 1: started with the publicity stunt. That's why unmuted. Which makes
Speaker 1: me think what you want to ask you guys a
Speaker 1: question as women, if your son was away with his
Speaker 1: fiance right and all of a sudden he came home
Speaker 1: without her, what would you be like, Oh, would you
Speaker 1: want to go camping for a couple of days, or
Speaker 1: would you like they just went together as a family,
Speaker 1: like they didn't think anything of it or they didn't care, Like,
Speaker 1: would you just do that? What are the chances are pathologic?
Speaker 1: Goal liar Brian takes one to no one said to them,
Speaker 1: we got into a fight and she decided to stay
Speaker 1: and she's with a friend. Right, what if he made
Speaker 1: up this obscene lie. We don't know because his family
Speaker 1: hasn't spoken and he hasn't spoken, and especially because they're
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, there's been leaks that she was
Speaker 1: seeing somebody else during this time, which who knows, he
Speaker 1: could have had other people leak at this time. They
Speaker 1: were saying that, you know, she went to Dunkin Donuts
Speaker 1: with another guy or whatever the donut place was. And
Speaker 1: that's true love if he takes you to duncan to
Speaker 1: put a ring on it. So, I mean there, they
Speaker 1: could have been on a break, and that could have
Speaker 1: been a story. It is an episode of friends. They
Speaker 1: were on a break, okay, going, But even if you're
Speaker 1: on a break, I just don't think you leave somebody
Speaker 1: across the country that lives with you, that you've known
Speaker 1: since you were you know, in high school. You would
Speaker 1: still worry about them as a parent and take her
Speaker 1: wallet and her I D and spend her money and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like there is trouble in paradise there. So
Speaker 1: where do you guys stand on this? Say your son
Speaker 1: came home and he's like, yeah, we got in a fight.
Speaker 1: I have a wall in her phone. I left her there.
Speaker 1: Are you guys like, well, let's go camping and talk
Speaker 1: about it, or get your ass back there and get her,
Speaker 1: or say your son came home and said, hey, I
Speaker 1: accidentally killed her. What are you doing either one of you.
Speaker 1: I'm calling the police immediately and saying my son murdered someone.
Speaker 1: I am one million if if my son came to
Speaker 1: me and said I left her there, I would say,
Speaker 1: all right, we're getting on a plane and we're going back.
Speaker 1: If he's if he's not admitting to me that he's
Speaker 1: killed her, If he said we're in a fight, I've
Speaker 1: left her there, I would either be on a plane
Speaker 1: myself going to get her to make sure that she's okay.
Speaker 1: If you if I thought there was a chance he
Speaker 1: was lying to me, or I would be you know,
Speaker 1: calling and figuring it out. But I most definitely would
Speaker 1: not be in a city wation where I was going
Speaker 1: camping for four days and ignoring the situation. I want
Speaker 1: to be honest. They went camping twice. They with kids.
Speaker 1: They were with Cassie's kids, that his sister's kids, Teddy.
Speaker 1: The fact that you know his sister's name. Lets me
Speaker 1: know how much you are invested in this course. I'm
Speaker 1: invested in Cassie. Cassie has been all over the news.
Speaker 1: Cassie is not letting her face not be out there.
Speaker 1: She is working it from all the angles, right. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to point out to the listeners that Leah
Speaker 1: said she would drive, she would take her son to jail,
Speaker 1: or she would rat him out. And I think part
Speaker 1: of that is because you want to take him to
Speaker 1: jail so you can also see your boyfriend. Thank you, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't pointed out the obvious. It's a
Speaker 1: two for one. I'm a Jew. I love a good deal.
Speaker 1: So but but honestly, right, if it was a mistake,
Speaker 1: and by mistake I mean accident, if it was truly
Speaker 1: an accident, that either he pushed her and she fell,
Speaker 1: or it was a crime of passion, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: If it wasn't premeditated, right, and if it was truly
Speaker 1: an accident, he's pulling all of the classic I did
Speaker 1: it moves, you know, all of the I did it
Speaker 1: intentionally moves, And I think that is the biggest problem.
Speaker 1: But I think we we already know the type of parents.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am I I kind of know it
Speaker 1: all and I'm not trying to be but this is
Speaker 1: you know what it is. He's no, we saw the notes.
Speaker 1: You're trying you know, you know it. We love to
Speaker 1: see it. But from what I have gathered, he's never
Speaker 1: really had a job, so his parents have kind of
Speaker 1: groomed him to be somebody that they've bailed him out
Speaker 1: of every situation. So why would they not bail him
Speaker 1: out of this? Let me ask you a question, because
Speaker 1: I know you're a parent, Yes, as a parent, if
Speaker 1: a person who was a child essentially I mean on
Speaker 1: a child, but she's a young adult was living with
Speaker 1: you for a year and then she went missing and
Speaker 1: it was your son's fiance, longtime girlfriend, would your instinct
Speaker 1: be to show no signs of empathy. Absolutely not. I
Speaker 1: mean here's like the first, first and foremost, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think, and I mean this may come off wrong.
Speaker 1: I think if you were in a situation where you're
Speaker 1: ready to be fianced, if that's a word, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be living with your parents. Well, if you're growing enough
Speaker 1: adults that you were ready to step into that next
Speaker 1: part of your relationship, where you're wanting to get married,
Speaker 1: where you're wanting to move into that next, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be in your parents home, was right, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like you shouldn't been getting money from your parents. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on your parents cell phone bill. You should
Speaker 1: be taking charge and taking part of your life. So
Speaker 1: like for me, of course, this is what his parents
Speaker 1: are gonna do. But this is what leads me to
Speaker 1: what's going on? Now? Why? Now? Why after three weeks
Speaker 1: have the FBI now just asked the dad to join
Speaker 1: the search? Well? Also, don't you feel like maybe the
Speaker 1: van is the equivalent of living in your parents basement
Speaker 1: but on wheels? But the van was hers right, what
Speaker 1: she paid for. But but also, if your son was
Speaker 1: legitimately missing, Teddy, if your son was missing, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be out in the streets looking for him, obviously your
Speaker 1: innocent son. If my dog, I don't have a dog,
Speaker 1: if my dog was missing, I would be seething the streets,
Speaker 1: posting flyers everywhere. I'd be the first. The FBI, oh
Speaker 1: they'd be They'd be miles behind me. You know, I
Speaker 1: would have already formed my own search party. But what, guys,
Speaker 1: this is what you have to think about the reason
Speaker 1: why the right now, there is a lawyer that represents ROBERTA.
Speaker 1: Whatever the dad's name is. I'm blanking and Brian because
Speaker 1: the lawyer can represent somebody that's alive. The other thing
Speaker 1: is he's a real estate lawyer, which is super interesting
Speaker 1: because this is a missing person and now homicide case. Actually,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying that he's a real
Speaker 1: estate lawyer, but he does have a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: He's um with different types of law. He's real real
Speaker 1: estate law, business law, civil and commercial litigation, personal injury,
Speaker 1: criminal cases, so he does cover a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's not just simply a real estate lawyer. Well,
Speaker 1: it's because he's their personal family friend, right and they
Speaker 1: trust him so that he can be on the ends.
Speaker 1: He knows what's going on. The part that all that
Speaker 1: also just worries me and is why the parents didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going on, why Gabby's parents didn't what
Speaker 1: was going on prior. But also real quick, where is
Speaker 1: Brian laundry teddy? I don't know, I asked my kids.
Speaker 1: This just disturbing. Is he in the flower bed? Next?
Speaker 1: Don't think he's in the flower bed I really zoomed in,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's in the flower bed, so
Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about. There's a TikTok video
Speaker 1: that's gone viral of what appears to be a hand
Speaker 1: popping out of a flower bed and then Brian's mom
Speaker 1: passing something to the hand and back and forth, and
Speaker 1: this was all caught on footage from a TikToker who
Speaker 1: sent a drone over to the house. But if you
Speaker 1: zoom in, zoom in, it does look a little like
Speaker 1: a weed that she's Just before this all started, they
Speaker 1: didn't have these flower beds there. Just to let you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they got a hobby because they need something to do.
Speaker 1: They needed something to do, so they picked up gardening
Speaker 1: when their son went missed. Because we know Kylin and Crystal,
Speaker 1: the two women who were on their honeymoon camping when
Speaker 1: they were murdered, that they were raped and shot to death,
Speaker 1: so we know it was a gun. It was a
Speaker 1: gun violence with Gabby. They haven't released it, and I
Speaker 1: think that's because the FBI doesn't want to show all
Speaker 1: their cards. You know, just like when you're on a
Speaker 1: first date with someone, you just I don't want to
Speaker 1: show But different and ending in death. Your dates are
Speaker 1: slightly different than mine, Leat, I do. I do have
Speaker 1: another question though, involving the couple that was the you know,
Speaker 1: the the was found in Moab. The dad released something
Speaker 1: that said, please, psychics, quit reaching out to me. You're
Speaker 1: breaking my heart. I don't want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: I only want to hear from professionals that know what
Speaker 1: happened to my daughter and her wife or fiance, I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one it was. If you guys had
Speaker 1: somebody in your life that was murdered, would you want
Speaker 1: to hear from a psychic on what they think happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: there was actually a psychic who was interviewed who predicted
Speaker 1: how they would find Gabby's body, which is really dark,
Speaker 1: and they predicted how he would find Brian as well,
Speaker 1: and he thinks the whole family is going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble, which I think is really interesting. But the
Speaker 1: thing that really freaks me out about the double homicide
Speaker 1: of Kylan and Crystal is that they were found shot
Speaker 1: to death in a creek near their campsite on August eighteen,
Speaker 1: and the last time they were seen was August thirteen
Speaker 1: at Woody's tavern in Moab, and the place of work
Speaker 1: of one of these two women was the exact address
Speaker 1: that the police wrote down on the police report of
Speaker 1: the eyewitness who encountered Gabby and Brian in a fight
Speaker 1: the angry night where he kept going in and out
Speaker 1: of the restaurant multiple times, and the women apparently called
Speaker 1: a friend and said, we are so scared. There was
Speaker 1: a guy who's really creeping us out our camp site
Speaker 1: and if you don't hear from us, we've been murdered.
Speaker 1: Not even called text, so it's not even it's on
Speaker 1: text message, like there's proof. Yeah, Teddy, that is pretty intense.
Speaker 1: And actually we've just received official word about the autopsy
Speaker 1: that her death was by strangulation. I was afraid of
Speaker 1: that because that's the number one like for crimes of passion, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. Oh, my stomach is doing backflips. I feel sick,
Speaker 1: which means that, I mean, I know that they weren't
Speaker 1: able to tell us what was under you know, her fingernails,
Speaker 1: or if any prints were attached. You know. All that
Speaker 1: they were able to give us in this press release
Speaker 1: was that she died by strangulation. But that's out of
Speaker 1: a crime of passion and which takes us to he's
Speaker 1: still on the run, He's still on accounted for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's interesting that his lawyer is saying
Speaker 1: that her death is a tragedy but made sure to
Speaker 1: note that Brian hasn't been charged with her death and
Speaker 1: that he's only considered a person of interest. And oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean, who knows what they will claim,
Speaker 1: you know, because they can still claim his innocence if
Speaker 1: there are no fingerprints. I think allegedly. Um, I'll use
Speaker 1: the word allegedly as many times as I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: end the sentence. But this is, this is really truly heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: I mean, we already knew she was murdered, but for
Speaker 1: some reason this, you know, I don't. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember if we talked about this today or we've talked
Speaker 1: about it on tech start that you and I've gone
Speaker 1: down so many discussions about this every rabbit hole out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing that is also pretty
Speaker 1: upsetting is that all of the times that they were
Speaker 1: pulled over for the most part, or the police were called,
Speaker 1: there was some sort of physical hand violence going on.
Speaker 1: I it definitely makes you feel I'm actually I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm at a loss of words because now I'm
Speaker 1: at a place where I truly hope that his parents
Speaker 1: are helping the FBI, and that's why they haven't made
Speaker 1: an announcement. That's why they haven't said. I really hope
Speaker 1: that that is why they're coming off as so cold,
Speaker 1: because why else hasn't there been a statement? Why else
Speaker 1: is you know? Why? You know, I even saw last night,
Speaker 1: you know, him going out in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night to cover up the picture of her. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that that is heartbreak. I hope that that
Speaker 1: is sadness. I hope that that is that just made
Speaker 1: me crazy too, you know, I hope that is all
Speaker 1: of those things. I hope that has, you know, because
Speaker 1: they're helping law enforcement find their son. Because I know
Speaker 1: that with raising kids myself, if one of my kids
Speaker 1: were to do something like this, or allegedly do something
Speaker 1: like this, I know the shame I would feel as
Speaker 1: a parent of raising a child like that. M hm,
Speaker 1: because you can't help. I mean, I feel guilt, you know,
Speaker 1: if my you know, my kids, I don't know my
Speaker 1: kids argue at the kitchen table. I'm like, why did
Speaker 1: I teach them that? Or whatever? It may be, so
Speaker 1: you know, I can't even imagine this, Okay, I thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your perspective, by the way, Teddy
Speaker 1: as a parent, because obviously I don't have that p
Speaker 1: o V. And this is just I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: crumbling on the inside right now. But I I'd like
Speaker 1: to get back into the other details of the case
Speaker 1: and you and I can have a private one on
Speaker 1: one conversation after we record today to go more into details.
Speaker 1: And I'll probably have myself a little cry after this.
Speaker 1: But um, I think that we need to take a break.
Speaker 1: I think I need a break. Honestly, Uh, this was
Speaker 1: a lot um, So let's just take a quick break
Speaker 1: right now and we'll get back to more details of
Speaker 1: the case. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time
Speaker 1: Crime and Teddy, I think it's time for us to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about social media on the case.
Speaker 1: My first instinct is we saw a post from Gabby
Speaker 1: on that says Happy Halloween, and she uses an emoji
Speaker 1: of a fly, which I've never or seen a woman
Speaker 1: do in an Instagram caption is used to fly emoji.
Speaker 1: But we do you know that Brian originally had it
Speaker 1: in his Instagram bio, but then he changed it to
Speaker 1: some leaves suspicious and she posted that in August, Happy
Speaker 1: Halloween in augusts does that hilarious? This means that the
Speaker 1: trip is over. The trip is symbolically over over, the
Speaker 1: trip is over. But we know that she was seen
Speaker 1: on August, so she was still alive when this was posted,
Speaker 1: which lets me believe she might have actually posted it herself.
Speaker 1: I think she posted it herself, possibly saying it's over
Speaker 1: with him. It's over with him. That was her sign
Speaker 1: of it's done. Mic drop teddy, So I mean, she
Speaker 1: looked beautiful, she looked happy it's over. But we also
Speaker 1: know that those were old photos because all the social
Speaker 1: media experts when Elwood's on the case and said her
Speaker 1: roots are different in this, her hair length is different
Speaker 1: in this, so it's obviously not something that was taken recently.
Speaker 1: And then but then they came back around and said
Speaker 1: that if you actually look from the side it is
Speaker 1: there is some like darker rolled in. It could have
Speaker 1: been death filter. So like, we really don't know. We
Speaker 1: don't know, but what we do know, what in regards
Speaker 1: to social media, is that as this continued on, Brian
Speaker 1: started following less and less people as the days went on,
Speaker 1: and he followed and unfollowed a girl named Rebecca multiple times. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about Rebecca, but I do think he
Speaker 1: was maybe unfollowed by other people, like maybe people blocked him.
Speaker 1: I think people have curiosity and they would keep following
Speaker 1: him out of curiosity. I don't think curiosity kills the cat.
Speaker 1: How would think more followers because especially because I remember
Speaker 1: he went live for you know three what it was.
Speaker 1: But the confusing thing about when he went live was
Speaker 1: remember it showed that plastic milk jug oh on the water.
Speaker 1: It was in the water, which lets me believe he
Speaker 1: might be in Mexico on a beach somewhere, sipping a
Speaker 1: peanut Colada. Isn't there something saying that he is potentially
Speaker 1: with someone named Stand, which would make sense with the
Speaker 1: text messages involving a Stand that was like the text messages,
Speaker 1: remember when Gabby sent the text messages to her mom
Speaker 1: saying that Stan wasn't responding. Oh, it was just can
Speaker 1: you help Stand? And the thing is Stand is Gabby's
Speaker 1: grandpa's name. So it feels very clear to Gabby's mom
Speaker 1: that those text messages weren't sent from Gabby and that
Speaker 1: they were probably sent from Brian because she would never
Speaker 1: call her grandfather Stand. So obviously something odd happened, and
Speaker 1: and apparently Stand kept calling and needed help with something. Right,
Speaker 1: But that could have been Stand the friend that lives
Speaker 1: in Mexico that Brian could potentially be with right now.
Speaker 1: But why would Brian He might be in some sort
Speaker 1: of state cosis and actually messaging her messaging from the
Speaker 1: wrong phone meaning to text his mom and texted Gabby's mom, Teddy,
Speaker 1: did you just crack this case? I mean, I fall guys.
Speaker 1: I can't take the credit for this song. I follow
Speaker 1: like fifty five thousand sleuths. I can't. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: There's so much going on here. Do you feel the
Speaker 1: papers ruffling? I'm just imagining you late at night attaching
Speaker 1: drawing strings from one piece of evidence to the next.
Speaker 1: Like have you seen the show Manifest? Lapped me with
Speaker 1: this case like I people are sending me other things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't until this case is craped, like
Speaker 1: I am. What do you think about the guy you
Speaker 1: said he saw him on the Appalachian Trail? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean it could have been Dmitri. I just don't
Speaker 1: Probably was Dmitri. Dmitri, were you in the Appalachian Trail
Speaker 1: in the last And that's why even his sister has
Speaker 1: the same car. By the way, his sister also has
Speaker 1: a Ford f one. It is also one of the
Speaker 1: most popular PI I was gonna say, they might have
Speaker 1: good like finance was real. That was real, my cousin,
Speaker 1: Vinny Leah, thank you. Same size tire, same size tire,
Speaker 1: I mean, and my biological clock is sticking like this.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, you guys, I think my I
Speaker 1: don't know why these are my other questions. Why they're
Speaker 1: not in the reserves searching at night, Why they only
Speaker 1: do it in the day because they don't want to
Speaker 1: get eaten by an alligator. How's he surviving if he
Speaker 1: is there? I don't know. I think, you guys, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that we don't know. I tending. I think
Speaker 1: not only are you right, however, I think we got
Speaker 1: to go back to the social media angle for a
Speaker 1: second and bring in Dog, the bounty hunter who's now
Speaker 1: in the case. Which why doesn't he have an Instagram?
Speaker 1: Doc doesn't have an I G Maybe I look, no
Speaker 1: one puts dog on a leash I mean dog can
Speaker 1: be chamed. He cannot. And honestly, if he's not my
Speaker 1: next boyfriend, I'd be surprised by the way my hair
Speaker 1: right now looks like dogs. I'm so upset by it.
Speaker 1: Just looking into this thing. I'm really dog. Okay, if dog,
Speaker 1: If dog has your hair, then dog is hot. That's
Speaker 1: all I know. Oh, dog does have an Instagram. I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: What is dog's Instagram? Oh, Dwayne dog Chat? Why? I
Speaker 1: mean dog, he needs to be under dog. Maybe dog
Speaker 1: was taken. His name is Dwayne, I guess. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: call a fast one on us. He does kind of
Speaker 1: look like a Dwayne. He does. He kind of gives
Speaker 1: need the essence of the rock. You know, remember when
Speaker 1: everybody thought that the dog put up the flyer that
Speaker 1: said like we're after you, Brian or whatever, it was
Speaker 1: the dog, But then somebody else actually just did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean here's the other thing, right. A YouTuber family
Speaker 1: YouTube family Red White and Bethune found footage of Gabby's
Speaker 1: van and that's how they found her body, the one
Speaker 1: when it was open, when her sneakers, i mean, we're
Speaker 1: her flip flops for sitting. Yeah, where they saw him
Speaker 1: digging in the back. So that's also kind of more
Speaker 1: of like the hand in the flowerbed situation, where it's
Speaker 1: you see it if you want to see it. Does
Speaker 1: it could just be a shadow. I felt like I
Speaker 1: saw it, but then I tried to unsee it, and
Speaker 1: I was able to unsee it. I never saw the
Speaker 1: door shut like where they said they saw the like
Speaker 1: I saw that when I tried. That was the thing
Speaker 1: where they like showed them pulling up. The YouTuber was
Speaker 1: pulling up and they said the door was shutting. I
Speaker 1: never saw that. But I did see the body in
Speaker 1: the back looking like he was digging in the background,
Speaker 1: I mean Dmitri. Yes, Dmitri looks like he's ready to
Speaker 1: chime in again. He's like hot and bothered. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: this is no, it's it's solid points. We do have
Speaker 1: to take a break. But I also when we come back,
Speaker 1: I want you guys to answer the question are we
Speaker 1: going on a break? We're done, okay, just listen, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break, but think about this. When we
Speaker 1: take a break, I want to talk about the sister given.
Speaker 1: I want you guys to talk about the sister giving interviews, Okay,
Speaker 1: because there's something she's saying she's going against the lawyer,
Speaker 1: you know, and coming out and speaking because she doesn't
Speaker 1: know what to do. And she's saying she doesn't know
Speaker 1: if he did or not, but she came out, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought was weird. So let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break, but then think about that. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that. Thank you for giving us our homework assignment, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: We'll work on it, and we're back. Welcome to real
Speaker 1: time crime. I would like to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about how Brian is a weird survival guy. Can I
Speaker 1: say weird survival guy? I feel like he's the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that goes to the gym and puts the
Speaker 1: treadmill on an incline with a full backpack. You know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those apocalypse people. But apparently he lived
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian for months without essentially many food or
Speaker 1: beverages or anything. I couldn't even live off of one
Speaker 1: cracker for an hour. I need I need a sleeve
Speaker 1: of crackers per minute. I don't know how he could
Speaker 1: do that. What kind of cracker would you even eat?
Speaker 1: I sun free vegan cracker, but you know what, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I haven't had a cracker since I had
Speaker 1: food poisoning, So I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You could, you could never You chose was a cracker.
Speaker 1: All of the delicious food treats, you chose a cracker.
Speaker 1: When I think about cans of beans or apples, I
Speaker 1: don't know what survivors eat. I think survivalist people, you know,
Speaker 1: they just eat things and cans, and that, honestly just
Speaker 1: is disgusting to me. I don't think I could ever
Speaker 1: do that. How many days do you think you can
Speaker 1: make it over? Under five? I would say around three hours.
Speaker 1: If Dmitri took care of you the whole time. How
Speaker 1: many days, Well it depends. Did I chip a nail?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have acrylics or gel extensions.
Speaker 1: I've got gelics. You clearly would not be able to
Speaker 1: do this, because if if you were hiding up, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, guys, I'm turning myself in. This is over.
Speaker 1: Here's what's going to happen now? I'm you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be calling me off the chain. Where's Leo? We're
Speaker 1: trying to record another episode and I'm in the woods
Speaker 1: proving Dmitri wrong. She's in the wilderness with six wits,
Speaker 1: ritz crackers, sleeves. Just it's got a ton of naked
Speaker 1: men fanning me with leaves. It's really incognito. Why do
Speaker 1: they have to be naked? You just go on the
Speaker 1: next season of Naked and Afraid. We'll talk about you.
Speaker 1: It should be, should be to spin off Naked and
Speaker 1: Afraid with crackers. Yeah, I think I would never be afraid.
Speaker 1: I would. I think we would just call the show
Speaker 1: just naked hot. It sounds hot, just naked and starving
Speaker 1: and hungry, naked and hungry with serial killer books. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'd watch it. It sounds pretty good. Anyway, back
Speaker 1: on backup point, Well, we had hallmarks to doing between
Speaker 1: the last break we've already forgotten. Failed because the professor Dmitre.
Speaker 1: Professor Dimitri gives us an f Why am I stuttering? Dimitri?
Speaker 1: Do you make me nervous? It's been that long since
Speaker 1: she got to go to jail to visit her guy.
Speaker 1: It has been over a year. In general, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's because we've been in the panty. We could blame
Speaker 1: it on the pandemic, where we could blame it on me.
Speaker 1: At this point, we're not sure. I think we've passed
Speaker 1: the point of blaming things on the pandemic. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel like this podcast is going to be cotton,
Speaker 1: part true crime and part like dating. For you you
Speaker 1: can be like, if he didn't kill her, So I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: part true crime, part dating is just true crime. Single
Speaker 1: we're moving to the homework. The sister. The sister gave
Speaker 1: an interview to the press and she said that she's
Speaker 1: the lawyer has been trying to muzzle to get her
Speaker 1: to be quiet and stuff like that. But she came
Speaker 1: out and spoke, what's your take on that, Well, she
Speaker 1: heard the word muzzle and called dog immediately and yeah, rough,
Speaker 1: and then uh, I think that I can't tell if
Speaker 1: Cassie saying that the lawyer through who under the bus
Speaker 1: and she's not talking to her family. I can't tell
Speaker 1: if this is some sort of publicity stunt and or
Speaker 1: if this is what the lawyer has told her to do,
Speaker 1: because maybe if it looks like there's division in the family,
Speaker 1: that there's something that maybe it just juices the story up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it maybe it takes away from where's
Speaker 1: Brian and more about what's going on the family. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we're pulling focus. Who's to say
Speaker 1: I disagree with you? I think that we forget this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes news media will, news outlets will pay people for interviews.
Speaker 1: Who to say that she just maybe she needs some
Speaker 1: more Instagram followers. I don't think it's for Cloud. I
Speaker 1: think if somebody's willing to pay you a certain amount
Speaker 1: of money and you don't have any information, it's neither
Speaker 1: here nor there, why not take it. I think that's
Speaker 1: how she's feeling. I mean, she's not really giving anything
Speaker 1: either way. It's not helping solve the case or hurting him.
Speaker 1: I had empathy for her, you do why. I feel
Speaker 1: like in her interview, she comes out on her lawn
Speaker 1: and she's being interviewed by her neighbors. So it feels
Speaker 1: like she finally snapped and she just had enough to me.
Speaker 1: She wanted to know. She wanted to set the record
Speaker 1: straight and be like, you know what, I'm mad at
Speaker 1: them too. I don't have anything to do with this.
Speaker 1: I'm just blood related to this person. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. But she also went
Speaker 1: on that camping trip and they were like, did you
Speaker 1: ever ask about Gabby? And she was like, no, it
Speaker 1: never came up. What it never came up? Okay, so
Speaker 1: this goes again into the theory. Right. Well, also she
Speaker 1: said something very interesting, right, Cassie said, silence is not guilt.
Speaker 1: But she's not being silent. No, no, no, But she's
Speaker 1: talking about Brian. Right. I there's there's a small chance
Speaker 1: that the smallest chance, there's the smallest chance in the
Speaker 1: world that he told his parents we got into a
Speaker 1: fight and she ran away and I have no idea
Speaker 1: where she is. There's the smallest chance. And then maybe
Speaker 1: he said when we go on the camping trip, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. Can we not bring
Speaker 1: it up with everyone? Or maybe we tell everyone that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're taking a break or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: so that they didn't talk about it. There's the smallest
Speaker 1: chance that's true. Right. Well, let's say that that smallest
Speaker 1: chance is true. I have zero empathy for that, because
Speaker 1: there's already footage of people calling in saying that they
Speaker 1: saw him slapping and hitting her. So even if it
Speaker 1: was an accident, there's already proof that he's abused her.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about his sister. There's a chance that
Speaker 1: she didn't get the truth, right, But most likely if
Speaker 1: he's been abusing her on this camping trip, that's not
Speaker 1: the first time, especially uh because of the van. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's just because of the van. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: don't imagine, especially if this was happening back at the
Speaker 1: nightclub with the best friend where he was she wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to go and he had her. I D. All
Speaker 1: that happened back in Florida. Like to give you guys backstory,
Speaker 1: there was a time before this camping trip ever even
Speaker 1: happened where she where. Gabby wanted to go with her
Speaker 1: best friend to a night out and Brian hit her,
Speaker 1: I D And it became this huge, big fight because
Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed to go, and it was like and
Speaker 1: the best friend came out and did these news reports
Speaker 1: and said how controlling he was and how you know
Speaker 1: this was an ongoing thing. So I think everybody and
Speaker 1: Gabby's life knew how controlling he was. Super emotionally abusive, correct,
Speaker 1: which if you are emotionally abusive allegedly and then we're
Speaker 1: hearing about is really proud of us job. But the
Speaker 1: FBI is now claiming that they were keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on him from the beginning. I'm like, well, who's keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on him? Like, yeah, your watchdog blows my guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean, who who? Like, how would
Speaker 1: you let him go? Yeah? They said we were watching him.
Speaker 1: We got distracted because they put in flower beds and
Speaker 1: then he was we know. They were like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Ship's Creek was on. We couldn't look away. I get it.
Speaker 1: It's a really good show, you know. I just think
Speaker 1: that I truly think if they would release more information
Speaker 1: that the Internet could probably find this guy faster. At
Speaker 1: this point, I think the Internet still will find him
Speaker 1: faster because the Internet keeps throwing tips about where they
Speaker 1: think he might be. They thought they saw him mental Walmart,
Speaker 1: they thought they saw him in Canada, in Mexico, the
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail, and this is news from predators. Tiktoker's YouTuber's
Speaker 1: people on Instagram, Twitter, everyone's firing off trying to find
Speaker 1: this guy. So I have a feeling. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling someone from the social media sleuth family will find him.
Speaker 1: And if it's not Dog, it's gonna be a YouTuber.
Speaker 1: I hope it is Dog. I hope it's me. I
Speaker 1: hope it's as you know, someone, and I hope it's soon.
Speaker 1: And I hope that whatever way that she did end
Speaker 1: up going, I hope it wasn't long and drawn out.
Speaker 1: I really do. I hope that it was fast. Well.
Speaker 1: I think we can agree that we all are so
Speaker 1: sad about this obvious tragedy that occurred, and that there
Speaker 1: were so many warning signs, and it felt like this
Speaker 1: was the third strike. The first strike was the first
Speaker 1: police call, the second strike was the second police call,
Speaker 1: and you know, the third was then fighting at the restaurant.
Speaker 1: And if you guys are fighting that much in such
Speaker 1: a short amount of time, it's a really bad sign.
Speaker 1: Especially when you're an enclosed vehicle with the same person
Speaker 1: for months, you're bound to go crazy. If I was
Speaker 1: alone by myself in an enclosed vehicle like that, who
Speaker 1: knows what happened, I'd I'd probably be like Tom Hanks,
Speaker 1: uh with Wilson, you know, I would just be absolutely
Speaker 1: I'd be crazy at this point, it Willson, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. So if you add another human
Speaker 1: being to that equation, probably not good. It can't be good.
Speaker 1: It can't be good. And I think for so many people,
Speaker 1: especially this year was so hard and everybody was looking
Speaker 1: for an outlet. And I just think that is a
Speaker 1: big reminder about social media. I think Gabby was trying
Speaker 1: to create a life that didn't exist for herself through
Speaker 1: social media, and like within our kids, within our life,
Speaker 1: within you know, everything that's going on. That's that's the
Speaker 1: most heartbreaking part. You know, they said they never left
Speaker 1: the van. Really, even though they're creating this illusion that
Speaker 1: they're like doing these huge hikes, they're doing this, they're
Speaker 1: living these adventures, that's not what was happening. Is it
Speaker 1: possible it's because he wouldn't let her, he would let
Speaker 1: her leave. I probably because I did here, So we're
Speaker 1: running out of time, But I did. Hear um a
Speaker 1: father of a woman who had been murdered from domestic
Speaker 1: violence before. He said, domestic violence is like climbing up
Speaker 1: a graduate hill. Not until you turn around and look
Speaker 1: back do you realize how much it's escalated. And I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty powerful. I have I too, have
Speaker 1: four kids, and three of them are girls, and this
Speaker 1: kind of ship bugs the hell out of me. So
Speaker 1: something like that, I think all these things, we look
Speaker 1: back at them and we're like, oh, well, there's this,
Speaker 1: there was this, there was this, but you don't really know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the biggest thing is
Speaker 1: if if anybody listening has realized that you've been isolated
Speaker 1: from everybody else, If the person that you're with is
Speaker 1: isolating you from your friends, from your family, from everybody,
Speaker 1: that's a huge that's a huge warning sign. And another
Speaker 1: warning sign is if a man wants to take you
Speaker 1: on a camping trip. I just like with crackers. Okay,
Speaker 1: so people listen right out of time, but before we go.
Speaker 1: This has been something that's been brought up in the
Speaker 1: media news also, and it's you know, obviously caused some controversy.
Speaker 1: Why the obsession with this case? Obviously there are other
Speaker 1: people that have gone missing and this and that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying it's because she was white
Speaker 1: and she's blond and she's cute. Why do we why
Speaker 1: are we obsessed with this case? I think for me,
Speaker 1: what happened was I was so tired of hearing about COVID,
Speaker 1: and then I saw a notification on Twitter that just
Speaker 1: caught my intrigue because it was literally the only thing
Speaker 1: that wasn't about COVID. On my timeline and then I
Speaker 1: just got pulled in. And I think when people catch
Speaker 1: a crime in real time, it is interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: when there's a missing person and the story start to
Speaker 1: not add up and it's obvious that there might have
Speaker 1: been foul play, you just get intrigued. And I know
Speaker 1: that I had actually just watched Click Click Bait on Netflix.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen that shop
Speaker 1: so hot? Yeah, the show so good. Sorry, that's what
Speaker 1: I meant to say. And and it is a very
Speaker 1: similar case. And it's all about social media getting involved
Speaker 1: in a murder and with dating apps and cat fishing
Speaker 1: and people on the internet wanting to be detectives and
Speaker 1: salutes and it just felt so interconnected. After having just
Speaker 1: watched a show about it, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: an episode of The Truman Show. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is happening in real time right now.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I got, almost like crack at
Speaker 1: it did to it? What about you, Teddy? For me?
Speaker 1: I I've always been this way, um any time, I
Speaker 1: mean this year, especially because because of COVID and because
Speaker 1: you know there is that time, you know, there's that
Speaker 1: downtime where you know, people say you should be focusing
Speaker 1: on being present, but that's where, like I will really
Speaker 1: dig into it. I've been like that for a couple
Speaker 1: of different things. Army Hammer this year, I got obsessed
Speaker 1: with wanting to know every single detail about that, Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: conservativeship this, and I think that you know, especially with
Speaker 1: this case, I think there's just so many unknowns and
Speaker 1: I think most of the time with cases, you have
Speaker 1: a general idea why, and this from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: you're lost. Well, also, did you know that murders were
Speaker 1: down last year because everyone was at home? Murders were down,
Speaker 1: but suicide was up, Domestic violence was up because you know,
Speaker 1: mental mental illness, and you know abuses up because you
Speaker 1: know it's people were really unhappy and they still are.
Speaker 1: I think pandemic or no pandemic, most people are unhappy.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know and it It sounds trivial,
Speaker 1: but I think talking about it and having those conversations
Speaker 1: and for me even doing the research and learning about it,
Speaker 1: and even though yes we are making light of a
Speaker 1: very heavy situation at times, helps educate on how severe
Speaker 1: a situation can get. Absolutely, but that was also why
Speaker 1: I got so invested in the case because I saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of myself and her where I thought
Speaker 1: that could have happened to anyone on a camping trip.
Speaker 1: And I know that when I was in a tent
Speaker 1: with my boyfriend or when we were going hiking and
Speaker 1: we're in this isolated area. At times, I got really
Speaker 1: uncomfortable too. You have to really trust someone and know
Speaker 1: someone to go camping, and so many people go missing
Speaker 1: in the area where they were all the time. They've
Speaker 1: already found another body that was missing because of this case,
Speaker 1: I know, I mean and and in closing because I
Speaker 1: know we have to wrap up, but imagine it being
Speaker 1: the person that brought you there. This is so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Thanks you guys so much for joining us for our
Speaker 1: very first, but not our very last deep dive. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Jesus, very heavy. Thank you for joining us
Speaker 1: at Real Time Crime. I've been Lea Lamar and I'm
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp. See you next week for more real time crime.
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