WEBVTT - Introducing: Real Time Crime 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:14.800 Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome to Real Time Crime. I'm 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.799 Leo Lamar. I'm a comedian and an actor, and I'm 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.520 obsessed with true crime. So what a comedy and crime 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.599 have in common? A lot, and we're gonna find out 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.240 while we go through this podcast. Why do I obsess 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.880 over true crime? It's because I need to know every 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.559 detail of every single story, because they say that the 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.320 devil's in the details. So we're going to find out 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.200 who's the devil here. And for me, I know that 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.720 any time I'm dating a guy, I feel like I 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.599 need to know if he's going to murder me or not. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.680 We got to find out if he's a serial killer. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.919 And most of the men I've dated, let me tell you, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.000 they have murdered lots of Captain crunch. So here we 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.160 are today to find out a little bit more about 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.920 crimes in real time. And I with me my friend 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.280 Teddy Mellencamp. Teddy, how are you? I'm doing great? I 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.400 am Teddy Mellencamp. I am a mom, fitness and health 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.200 wellness enthusiasts, and even more importantly, I will go down 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.240 any rabbit hole and dig down any crime because I 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:22.240 will do your dirty work on any topic involving any 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.320 bad guy. So I'm really glad that you're my podcasting 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.200 crime partner. Thank you so much for being here. And 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.399 you may hear in the background our producer Dmitri chiming 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.119 in from time to time with a male perspective. Hello Dmitri, Hello, 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.800 very minimal. So on this podcast, we're going to be 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.920 covering a lot of cases, and we are all obsessed 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.600 with this case, right, beyond obsessed with this kind of obsessed. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.920 This is the Gabby Petito Brian Laundry case. And so 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.720 let me give you a little rundown of the case. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.640 And just in case you haven't heard of it, can 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.800 I say case one more time? More? Okay, thank you, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.960 in case somebody didn't catch it. Perfect, Okay, So here's 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.240 the four one one on the Gabby Petito case. So, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.280 Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry are high school sweethearts and 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.359 on again, off again fiance's. We can both say that's 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.839 a bad sign, right, we can both say that the 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.600 fact that they were on again, off again and living 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.679 with his parents and his mom still paid for his 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:28.119 cell phone and he had no nothing that he did 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.040 on his own, is it is a bad sign to me, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:36.520 he's your mama's boy. Okay, So Brian and Gabby set 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.680 out in July and a converted van a k hashtag 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.200 van life to make vlogs also a bad sign. If 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.200 we're being honest, I'm sorry, but if you're living in 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:51.520 a van, are you really living? Also? Why how can 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.560 you say that you hate social media if you're doing 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.120 a vlog and you're constantly posting. If you're living in 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.600 a van, that's a bad sign because you're living in 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.359 a coffin on wheels. If you're living in a van, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.160 you don't have any of your own, You're you're living 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.799 off your parents and the van you're traveling. You can't 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.320 From what I know, he hates everybody and everything and 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.919 all plastics. And I get not liking plastic, but also 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.680 he hates anybody that's ever used plastic. Also, I think 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.440 a lot of women need to get their roots done 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.000 once a month, right, like there's gonna think. I mean, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.720 I think probably Gabby had to get her roots done 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.320 from time to time. This family life is just not 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.680 for her and we found this out the hard way. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.240 Let me just say this, We're gonna keep going a 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.120 little bit more in the case. But I want to 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.480 say this guy was covered in red flags. He loves 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:51.000 to read books about serial killers who go on road trips. Hello, Okay, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.440 so that's already red flash. She was also reading The 0:03:53.520 --> 0:04:00.440 Zodiac Killer. There was trouble in Paradise. Okay. So so 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.640 they started this trip in July and they were going 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.440 to end the trip on Halloween, and they were going 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.360 across country and they were going to visit a ton 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.040 of national parks. They were going to Utah, Wyoming, etcetera. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.760 They got into a couple of fights along the way, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.839 and then Brian came home September one in Gabby's van 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:25.200 without Gabby. Don Don don Where's Gabby? That seems like 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.040 a big problem. September eleven is when Gabby's mom filed 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.440 a report that she was a missing person. And now 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.320 Brian Laundry is on the run and in hiding, and 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.400 we don't have much information because he and his family 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.760 have been pleading the fifth ever since. So that's the 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.600 latest rundown in a nutshell of what's going on with 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:52.000 the Brian Laundry case. Correct, But throughout this we've gone 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.760 through many pivots, highs and lows. At the beginning, everybody 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.600 thought that this was a publicity stunt. Everybody thought this 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.120 was to instagrammers and vloggers who wanted to build their accounts. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:09.239 And because he had gone back to Florida to empty 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.000 a storage unit in the middle of this trip, which 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.400 who does that? And they you know this, you know 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.880 her missing was it makes absolutely nose and leaving her 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.240 at a fair filled end by herself first a fair 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.440 filled in put her in a five star hotel. My guy, 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.960 you said you loved her, Yeah, don't don't leave her 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.640 at the fair filled end. So this is when it 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.039 started with the publicity stunt. That's why unmuted. Which makes 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.920 me think what you want to ask you guys a 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.800 question as women, if your son was away with his 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.479 fiance right and all of a sudden he came home 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.160 without her, what would you be like, Oh, would you 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:49.640 want to go camping for a couple of days, or 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.920 would you like they just went together as a family, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.159 like they didn't think anything of it or they didn't care, Like, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.960 would you just do that? What are the chances are pathologic? 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.839 Goal liar Brian takes one to no one said to them, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.040 we got into a fight and she decided to stay 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.600 and she's with a friend. Right, what if he made 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.279 up this obscene lie. We don't know because his family 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.960 hasn't spoken and he hasn't spoken, and especially because they're 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.760 saying that, you know, there's been leaks that she was 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.160 seeing somebody else during this time, which who knows, he 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.000 could have had other people leak at this time. They 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.160 were saying that, you know, she went to Dunkin Donuts 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.560 with another guy or whatever the donut place was. And 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.880 that's true love if he takes you to duncan to 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:38.040 put a ring on it. So, I mean there, they 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.839 could have been on a break, and that could have 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.080 been a story. It is an episode of friends. They 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.320 were on a break, okay, going, But even if you're 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.080 on a break, I just don't think you leave somebody 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.800 across the country that lives with you, that you've known 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.200 since you were you know, in high school. You would 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.880 still worry about them as a parent and take her 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.479 wallet and her I D and spend her money and everything. Yeah, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.359 it seems like there is trouble in paradise there. So 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.240 where do you guys stand on this? Say your son 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.000 came home and he's like, yeah, we got in a fight. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.880 I have a wall in her phone. I left her there. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.040 Are you guys like, well, let's go camping and talk 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.280 about it, or get your ass back there and get her, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.920 or say your son came home and said, hey, I 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.680 accidentally killed her. What are you doing either one of you. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:28.280 I'm calling the police immediately and saying my son murdered someone. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.320 I am one million if if my son came to 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.560 me and said I left her there, I would say, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.640 all right, we're getting on a plane and we're going back. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.680 If he's if he's not admitting to me that he's 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.440 killed her, If he said we're in a fight, I've 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.720 left her there, I would either be on a plane 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.440 myself going to get her to make sure that she's okay. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.560 If you if I thought there was a chance he 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.800 was lying to me, or I would be you know, 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:59.200 calling and figuring it out. But I most definitely would 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.800 not be in a city wation where I was going 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.880 camping for four days and ignoring the situation. I want 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.800 to be honest. They went camping twice. They with kids. 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:13.080 They were with Cassie's kids, that his sister's kids, Teddy. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.600 The fact that you know his sister's name. Lets me 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.040 know how much you are invested in this course. I'm 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.640 invested in Cassie. Cassie has been all over the news. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.720 Cassie is not letting her face not be out there. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.480 She is working it from all the angles, right. I 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.880 just wanted to point out to the listeners that Leah 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.080 said she would drive, she would take her son to jail, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.080 or she would rat him out. And I think part 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.560 of that is because you want to take him to 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.959 jail so you can also see your boyfriend. Thank you, Dmitri. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:46.400 I wish you hadn't pointed out the obvious. It's a 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.280 two for one. I'm a Jew. I love a good deal. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.960 So but but honestly, right, if it was a mistake, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.640 and by mistake I mean accident, if it was truly 0:08:55.679 --> 0:09:00.319 an accident, that either he pushed her and she fell, 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.280 or it was a crime of passion, whatever it was, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.959 If it wasn't premeditated, right, and if it was truly 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.240 an accident, he's pulling all of the classic I did 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.959 it moves, you know, all of the I did it 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.640 intentionally moves, And I think that is the biggest problem. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.559 But I think we we already know the type of parents. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.240 I mean, I am I I kind of know it 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.520 all and I'm not trying to be but this is 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.400 you know what it is. He's no, we saw the notes. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:33.680 You're trying you know, you know it. We love to 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.440 see it. But from what I have gathered, he's never 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:42.040 really had a job, so his parents have kind of 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.760 groomed him to be somebody that they've bailed him out 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.480 of every situation. So why would they not bail him 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.360 out of this? Let me ask you a question, because 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.600 I know you're a parent, Yes, as a parent, if 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.080 a person who was a child essentially I mean on 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.080 a child, but she's a young adult was living with 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:09.160 you for a year and then she went missing and 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:16.520 it was your son's fiance, longtime girlfriend, would your instinct 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:22.959 be to show no signs of empathy. Absolutely not. I 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.400 mean here's like the first, first and foremost, Like, I 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.160 don't think, and I mean this may come off wrong. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.520 I think if you were in a situation where you're 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.600 ready to be fianced, if that's a word, you shouldn't 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.839 be living with your parents. Well, if you're growing enough 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.439 adults that you were ready to step into that next 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.439 part of your relationship, where you're wanting to get married, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.560 where you're wanting to move into that next, you shouldn't 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:55.040 be in your parents home, was right, Like that's the thing. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.880 Like you shouldn't been getting money from your parents. You 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.600 shouldn't be on your parents cell phone bill. You should 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.800 be taking charge and taking part of your life. So 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.679 like for me, of course, this is what his parents 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.200 are gonna do. But this is what leads me to 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.760 what's going on? Now? Why? Now? Why after three weeks 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.280 have the FBI now just asked the dad to join 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.320 the search? Well? Also, don't you feel like maybe the 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.920 van is the equivalent of living in your parents basement 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.160 but on wheels? But the van was hers right, what 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.599 she paid for. But but also, if your son was 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.720 legitimately missing, Teddy, if your son was missing, wouldn't you 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.160 be out in the streets looking for him, obviously your 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.080 innocent son. If my dog, I don't have a dog, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.720 if my dog was missing, I would be seething the streets, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.920 posting flyers everywhere. I'd be the first. The FBI, oh 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.160 they'd be They'd be miles behind me. You know, I 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.840 would have already formed my own search party. But what, guys, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.520 this is what you have to think about the reason 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:05.720 why the right now, there is a lawyer that represents ROBERTA. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:11.199 Whatever the dad's name is. I'm blanking and Brian because 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.439 the lawyer can represent somebody that's alive. The other thing 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.400 is he's a real estate lawyer, which is super interesting 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:25.199 because this is a missing person and now homicide case. Actually, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.120 a lot of people are saying that he's a real 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.679 estate lawyer, but he does have a lot of experience. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.600 He's um with different types of law. He's real real 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.880 estate law, business law, civil and commercial litigation, personal injury, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.559 criminal cases, so he does cover a lot of stuff. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.079 So he's not just simply a real estate lawyer. Well, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.319 it's because he's their personal family friend, right and they 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.880 trust him so that he can be on the ends. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.720 He knows what's going on. The part that all that 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.560 also just worries me and is why the parents didn't 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.200 know what was going on, why Gabby's parents didn't what 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.880 was going on prior. But also real quick, where is 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:11.479 Brian laundry teddy? I don't know, I asked my kids. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.720 This just disturbing. Is he in the flower bed? Next? 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.320 Don't think he's in the flower bed I really zoomed in, 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.040 and I don't think he's in the flower bed, so 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.320 you know what we're talking about. There's a TikTok video 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.240 that's gone viral of what appears to be a hand 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.680 popping out of a flower bed and then Brian's mom 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.480 passing something to the hand and back and forth, and 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.079 this was all caught on footage from a TikToker who 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.760 sent a drone over to the house. But if you 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.040 zoom in, zoom in, it does look a little like 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:45.079 a weed that she's Just before this all started, they 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.520 didn't have these flower beds there. Just to let you know, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.360 maybe they got a hobby because they need something to do. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.120 They needed something to do, so they picked up gardening 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.880 when their son went missed. Because we know Kylin and Crystal, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.199 the two women who were on their honeymoon camping when 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:07.959 they were murdered, that they were raped and shot to death, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.440 so we know it was a gun. It was a 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.840 gun violence with Gabby. They haven't released it, and I 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.160 think that's because the FBI doesn't want to show all 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.320 their cards. You know, just like when you're on a 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.200 first date with someone, you just I don't want to 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:27.600 show But different and ending in death. Your dates are 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.680 slightly different than mine, Leat, I do. I do have 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.240 another question though, involving the couple that was the you know, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.920 the the was found in Moab. The dad released something 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.440 that said, please, psychics, quit reaching out to me. You're 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.000 breaking my heart. I don't want to hear from you. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.760 I only want to hear from professionals that know what 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.920 happened to my daughter and her wife or fiance, I 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.920 can't remember which one it was. If you guys had 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.520 somebody in your life that was murdered, would you want 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.000 to hear from a psychic on what they think happened. Yes, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.320 there was actually a psychic who was interviewed who predicted 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.880 how they would find Gabby's body, which is really dark, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.800 and they predicted how he would find Brian as well, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.360 and he thinks the whole family is going to get 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.280 in trouble, which I think is really interesting. But the 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.760 thing that really freaks me out about the double homicide 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.320 of Kylan and Crystal is that they were found shot 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:30.920 to death in a creek near their campsite on August eighteen, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.160 and the last time they were seen was August thirteen 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:38.320 at Woody's tavern in Moab, and the place of work 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.320 of one of these two women was the exact address 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.280 that the police wrote down on the police report of 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.120 the eyewitness who encountered Gabby and Brian in a fight 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.000 the angry night where he kept going in and out 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:55.160 of the restaurant multiple times, and the women apparently called 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.280 a friend and said, we are so scared. There was 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.000 a guy who's really creeping us out our camp site 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.320 and if you don't hear from us, we've been murdered. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.880 Not even called text, so it's not even it's on 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.320 text message, like there's proof. Yeah, Teddy, that is pretty intense. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.680 And actually we've just received official word about the autopsy 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:24.240 that her death was by strangulation. I was afraid of 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:29.160 that because that's the number one like for crimes of passion, right, yeah, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:34.160 it is. Oh, my stomach is doing backflips. I feel sick, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.440 which means that, I mean, I know that they weren't 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:45.120 able to tell us what was under you know, her fingernails, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.760 or if any prints were attached. You know. All that 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.040 they were able to give us in this press release 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:57.800 was that she died by strangulation. But that's out of 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:04.760 a crime of passion and which takes us to he's 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.439 still on the run, He's still on accounted for. Yeah, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.960 and I think it's interesting that his lawyer is saying 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.119 that her death is a tragedy but made sure to 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.000 note that Brian hasn't been charged with her death and 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.600 that he's only considered a person of interest. And oh 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.800 my god, I mean, who knows what they will claim, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.119 you know, because they can still claim his innocence if 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:35.679 there are no fingerprints. I think allegedly. Um, I'll use 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.879 the word allegedly as many times as I'm allowed to 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.840 end the sentence. But this is, this is really truly heartbreaking. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.199 I mean, we already knew she was murdered, but for 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.560 some reason this, you know, I don't. I can't even 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.920 remember if we talked about this today or we've talked 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.399 about it on tech start that you and I've gone 0:17:54.600 --> 0:18:00.240 down so many discussions about this every rabbit hole out. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.280 I mean, I think the thing that is also pretty 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.879 upsetting is that all of the times that they were 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.200 pulled over for the most part, or the police were called, 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.640 there was some sort of physical hand violence going on. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:21.240 I it definitely makes you feel I'm actually I feel 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.040 like I'm at a loss of words because now I'm 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:30.240 at a place where I truly hope that his parents 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.960 are helping the FBI, and that's why they haven't made 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:41.480 an announcement. That's why they haven't said. I really hope 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.879 that that is why they're coming off as so cold, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.880 because why else hasn't there been a statement? Why else 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.600 is you know? Why? You know, I even saw last night, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.119 you know, him going out in the middle of the 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.920 night to cover up the picture of her. I mean, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.439 I hope that that is heartbreak. I hope that that 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.920 is sadness. I hope that that is that just made 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.600 me crazy too, you know, I hope that is all 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.119 of those things. I hope that has, you know, because 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:17.159 they're helping law enforcement find their son. Because I know 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.119 that with raising kids myself, if one of my kids 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.639 were to do something like this, or allegedly do something 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.919 like this, I know the shame I would feel as 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.840 a parent of raising a child like that. M hm, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.399 because you can't help. I mean, I feel guilt, you know, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.280 if my you know, my kids, I don't know my 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.520 kids argue at the kitchen table. I'm like, why did 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.840 I teach them that? Or whatever? It may be, so 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:49.040 you know, I can't even imagine this, Okay, I thank 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.159 you so much for your perspective, by the way, Teddy 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.320 as a parent, because obviously I don't have that p 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.360 o V. And this is just I feel like I'm 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.359 crumbling on the inside right now. But I I'd like 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.840 to get back into the other details of the case 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.040 and you and I can have a private one on 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:11.879 one conversation after we record today to go more into details. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.080 And I'll probably have myself a little cry after this. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.160 But um, I think that we need to take a break. 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.879 I think I need a break. Honestly, Uh, this was 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.080 a lot um, So let's just take a quick break 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.000 right now and we'll get back to more details of 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:42.080 the case. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.000 Crime and Teddy, I think it's time for us to 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.679 talk a little bit about social media on the case. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.520 My first instinct is we saw a post from Gabby 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:58.520 on that says Happy Halloween, and she uses an emoji 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.920 of a fly, which I've never or seen a woman 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.520 do in an Instagram caption is used to fly emoji. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.240 But we do you know that Brian originally had it 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.840 in his Instagram bio, but then he changed it to 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:15.960 some leaves suspicious and she posted that in August, Happy 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:22.800 Halloween in augusts does that hilarious? This means that the 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:27.119 trip is over. The trip is symbolically over over, the 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.920 trip is over. But we know that she was seen 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.520 on August, so she was still alive when this was posted, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.360 which lets me believe she might have actually posted it herself. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.280 I think she posted it herself, possibly saying it's over 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:49.280 with him. It's over with him. That was her sign 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:54.040 of it's done. Mic drop teddy, So I mean, she 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.480 looked beautiful, she looked happy it's over. But we also 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.520 know that those were old photos because all the social 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.520 media experts when Elwood's on the case and said her 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.280 roots are different in this, her hair length is different 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.280 in this, so it's obviously not something that was taken recently. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.000 And then but then they came back around and said 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.919 that if you actually look from the side it is 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.840 there is some like darker rolled in. It could have 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.320 been death filter. So like, we really don't know. We 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.320 don't know, but what we do know, what in regards 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:33.800 to social media, is that as this continued on, Brian 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.560 started following less and less people as the days went on, 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:43.480 and he followed and unfollowed a girl named Rebecca multiple times. Oh, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.159 I didn't know about Rebecca, but I do think he 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:52.080 was maybe unfollowed by other people, like maybe people blocked him. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.399 I think people have curiosity and they would keep following 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.160 him out of curiosity. I don't think curiosity kills the cat. 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:03.320 How would think more followers because especially because I remember 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.640 he went live for you know three what it was. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.040 But the confusing thing about when he went live was 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:13.320 remember it showed that plastic milk jug oh on the water. 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.600 It was in the water, which lets me believe he 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.919 might be in Mexico on a beach somewhere, sipping a 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:23.560 peanut Colada. Isn't there something saying that he is potentially 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.280 with someone named Stand, which would make sense with the 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:31.880 text messages involving a Stand that was like the text messages, 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.240 remember when Gabby sent the text messages to her mom 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.160 saying that Stan wasn't responding. Oh, it was just can 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.120 you help Stand? And the thing is Stand is Gabby's 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.440 grandpa's name. So it feels very clear to Gabby's mom 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.280 that those text messages weren't sent from Gabby and that 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.880 they were probably sent from Brian because she would never 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:58.840 call her grandfather Stand. So obviously something odd happened, and 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.040 and apparently Stand kept calling and needed help with something. Right, 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.320 But that could have been Stand the friend that lives 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.400 in Mexico that Brian could potentially be with right now. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.560 But why would Brian He might be in some sort 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:20.240 of state cosis and actually messaging her messaging from the 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:24.640 wrong phone meaning to text his mom and texted Gabby's mom, Teddy, 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.040