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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome to Real Time Crime. I'm

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Speaker 1: Leo Lamar. I'm a comedian and an actor, and I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with true crime. So what a comedy and crime

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Speaker 1: have in common? A lot, and we're gonna find out

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Speaker 1: while we go through this podcast. Why do I obsess

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Speaker 1: over true crime? It's because I need to know every

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Speaker 1: detail of every single story, because they say that the

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Speaker 1: devil's in the details. So we're going to find out

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Speaker 1: who's the devil here. And for me, I know that

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Speaker 1: any time I'm dating a guy, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: need to know if he's going to murder me or not.

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Speaker 1: We got to find out if he's a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: And most of the men I've dated, let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: they have murdered lots of Captain crunch. So here we

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Speaker 1: are today to find out a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: crimes in real time. And I with me my friend

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Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp. Teddy, how are you? I'm doing great? I

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Speaker 1: am Teddy Mellencamp. I am a mom, fitness and health

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Speaker 1: wellness enthusiasts, and even more importantly, I will go down

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Speaker 1: any rabbit hole and dig down any crime because I

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Speaker 1: will do your dirty work on any topic involving any

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Speaker 1: bad guy. So I'm really glad that you're my podcasting

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Speaker 1: crime partner. Thank you so much for being here. And

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Speaker 1: you may hear in the background our producer Dmitri chiming

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Speaker 1: in from time to time with a male perspective. Hello Dmitri, Hello,

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Speaker 1: very minimal. So on this podcast, we're going to be

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Speaker 1: covering a lot of cases, and we are all obsessed

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Speaker 1: with this case, right, beyond obsessed with this kind of obsessed.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gabby Petito Brian Laundry case. And so

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Speaker 1: let me give you a little rundown of the case.

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Speaker 1: And just in case you haven't heard of it, can

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Speaker 1: I say case one more time? More? Okay, thank you,

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Speaker 1: in case somebody didn't catch it. Perfect, Okay, So here's

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Speaker 1: the four one one on the Gabby Petito case. So,

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry are high school sweethearts and

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Speaker 1: on again, off again fiance's. We can both say that's

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Speaker 1: a bad sign, right, we can both say that the

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Speaker 1: fact that they were on again, off again and living

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Speaker 1: cell phone and he had no nothing that he did

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Speaker 1: he's your mama's boy. Okay, So Brian and Gabby set

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Speaker 1: we're being honest, I'm sorry, but if you're living in

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Speaker 1: you say that you hate social media if you're doing

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Speaker 1: a van, that's a bad sign because you're living in

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Speaker 1: a coffin on wheels. If you're living in a van,

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Speaker 1: you don't have any of your own, You're you're living

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Speaker 1: From what I know, he hates everybody and everything and

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Speaker 1: all plastics. And I get not liking plastic, but also

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Speaker 1: he hates anybody that's ever used plastic. Also, I think

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Speaker 1: I think probably Gabby had to get her roots done

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, We're gonna keep going a

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Speaker 1: say this guy was covered in red flags. He loves

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Speaker 1: so that's already red flash. She was also reading The

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Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer. There was trouble in Paradise. Okay. So so

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Speaker 1: they started this trip in July and they were going

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Speaker 1: They got into a couple of fights along the way,

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Speaker 1: and then Brian came home September one in Gabby's van

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Speaker 1: a big problem. September eleven is when Gabby's mom filed

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Speaker 1: the Brian Laundry case. Correct, But throughout this we've gone

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Speaker 1: Goal liar Brian takes one to no one said to them,

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Speaker 1: up this obscene lie. We don't know because his family

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Speaker 1: where do you guys stand on this? Say your son

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Speaker 1: They were with Cassie's kids, that his sister's kids, Teddy.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you know his sister's name. Lets me

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Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't pointed out the obvious. It's a

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Speaker 1: So but but honestly, right, if it was a mistake,

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Speaker 1: But I think we we already know the type of parents.

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Speaker 1: where you're wanting to move into that next, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: like for me, of course, this is what his parents

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Now? Why? Now? Why after three weeks

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Speaker 1: have the FBI now just asked the dad to join

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Speaker 1: the search? Well? Also, don't you feel like maybe the

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Speaker 1: she paid for. But but also, if your son was

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Speaker 1: legitimately missing, Teddy, if your son was missing, wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: Whatever the dad's name is. I'm blanking and Brian because

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Speaker 1: Crime and Teddy, I think it's time for us to

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Speaker 1: My first instinct is we saw a post from Gabby

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Speaker 1: get eaten by an alligator. How's he surviving if he

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Speaker 1: is there? I don't know. I think, you guys, there's

427
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot that we don't know. I tending. I think

428
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: not only are you right, however, I think we got

429
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: to go back to the social media angle for a

430
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: second and bring in Dog, the bounty hunter who's now

431
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: in the case. Which why doesn't he have an Instagram?

432
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Doc doesn't have an I G Maybe I look, no

433
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: one puts dog on a leash I mean dog can

434
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: be chamed. He cannot. And honestly, if he's not my

435
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: next boyfriend, I'd be surprised by the way my hair

436
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: right now looks like dogs. I'm so upset by it.

437
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: Just looking into this thing. I'm really dog. Okay, if dog,

438
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: If dog has your hair, then dog is hot. That's

439
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: all I know. Oh, dog does have an Instagram. I'm wrong.

440
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: What is dog's Instagram? Oh, Dwayne dog Chat? Why? I

441
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: mean dog, he needs to be under dog. Maybe dog

442
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: was taken. His name is Dwayne, I guess. Yeah, do

443
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: call a fast one on us. He does kind of

444
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: look like a Dwayne. He does. He kind of gives

445
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: need the essence of the rock. You know, remember when

446
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: everybody thought that the dog put up the flyer that

447
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: said like we're after you, Brian or whatever, it was

448
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: the dog, But then somebody else actually just did that. Yeah,

449
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean here's the other thing, right. A YouTuber family

450
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: YouTube family Red White and Bethune found footage of Gabby's

451
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: van and that's how they found her body, the one

452
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: when it was open, when her sneakers, i mean, we're

453
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: her flip flops for sitting. Yeah, where they saw him

454
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: digging in the back. So that's also kind of more

455
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: of like the hand in the flowerbed situation, where it's

456
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: you see it if you want to see it. Does

457
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: it could just be a shadow. I felt like I

458
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: saw it, but then I tried to unsee it, and

459
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I was able to unsee it. I never saw the

460
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: door shut like where they said they saw the like

461
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I saw that when I tried. That was the thing

462
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: where they like showed them pulling up. The YouTuber was

463
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: pulling up and they said the door was shutting. I

464
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: never saw that. But I did see the body in

465
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: the back looking like he was digging in the background,

466
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean Dmitri. Yes, Dmitri looks like he's ready to

467
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: chime in again. He's like hot and bothered. Oh no, no,

468
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: this is no, it's it's solid points. We do have

469
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: to take a break. But I also when we come back,

470
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: I want you guys to answer the question are we

471
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: going on a break? We're done, okay, just listen, We're

472
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: gonna take a break, but think about this. When we

473
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: take a break, I want to talk about the sister given.

474
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: I want you guys to talk about the sister giving interviews, Okay,

475
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: because there's something she's saying she's going against the lawyer,

476
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, and coming out and speaking because she doesn't

477
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: know what to do. And she's saying she doesn't know

478
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: if he did or not, but she came out, which

479
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought was weird. So let's take

480
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: a quick break, but then think about that. Let's talk

481
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: about that. Thank you for giving us our homework assignment, Dmitri.

482
00:28:50,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: We'll work on it, and we're back. Welcome to real

483
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: time crime. I would like to talk a little bit

484
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: about how Brian is a weird survival guy. Can I

485
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: say weird survival guy? I feel like he's the kind

486
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: of guy that goes to the gym and puts the

487
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: treadmill on an incline with a full backpack. You know,

488
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: he's one of those apocalypse people. But apparently he lived

489
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian for months without essentially many food or

490
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: beverages or anything. I couldn't even live off of one

491
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: cracker for an hour. I need I need a sleeve

492
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: of crackers per minute. I don't know how he could

493
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: do that. What kind of cracker would you even eat?

494
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: I sun free vegan cracker, but you know what, to

495
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: be honest, I haven't had a cracker since I had

496
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: food poisoning, So I don't know what I'm talking about.

497
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: You could, you could never You chose was a cracker.

498
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: All of the delicious food treats, you chose a cracker.

499
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: When I think about cans of beans or apples, I

500
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: don't know what survivors eat. I think survivalist people, you know,

501
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: they just eat things and cans, and that, honestly just

502
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: is disgusting to me. I don't think I could ever

503
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: do that. How many days do you think you can

504
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: make it over? Under five? I would say around three hours.

505
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: If Dmitri took care of you the whole time. How

506
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: many days, Well it depends. Did I chip a nail?

507
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have acrylics or gel extensions.

508
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: I've got gelics. You clearly would not be able to

509
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: do this, because if if you were hiding up, you'd

510
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, guys, I'm turning myself in. This is over.

511
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Here's what's going to happen now? I'm you guys are

512
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna be calling me off the chain. Where's Leo? We're

513
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: trying to record another episode and I'm in the woods

514
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: proving Dmitri wrong. She's in the wilderness with six wits,

515
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: ritz crackers, sleeves. Just it's got a ton of naked

516
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: men fanning me with leaves. It's really incognito. Why do

517
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: they have to be naked? You just go on the

518
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: next season of Naked and Afraid. We'll talk about you.

519
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: It should be, should be to spin off Naked and

520
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: Afraid with crackers. Yeah, I think I would never be afraid.

521
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: I would. I think we would just call the show

522
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: just naked hot. It sounds hot, just naked and starving

523
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: and hungry, naked and hungry with serial killer books. Yeah,

524
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: and I'd watch it. It sounds pretty good. Anyway, back

525
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: on backup point, Well, we had hallmarks to doing between

526
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: the last break we've already forgotten. Failed because the professor Dmitre.

527
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Professor Dimitri gives us an f Why am I stuttering? Dimitri?

528
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: Do you make me nervous? It's been that long since

529
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: she got to go to jail to visit her guy.

530
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: It has been over a year. In general, thank you.

531
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: It's because we've been in the panty. We could blame

532
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: it on the pandemic, where we could blame it on me.

533
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: At this point, we're not sure. I think we've passed

534
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: the point of blaming things on the pandemic. You know,

535
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: I feel like this podcast is going to be cotton,

536
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: part true crime and part like dating. For you you

537
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: can be like, if he didn't kill her, So I mean, honestly,

538
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: part true crime, part dating is just true crime. Single

539
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: we're moving to the homework. The sister. The sister gave

540
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: an interview to the press and she said that she's

541
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: the lawyer has been trying to muzzle to get her

542
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: to be quiet and stuff like that. But she came

543
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: out and spoke, what's your take on that, Well, she

544
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: heard the word muzzle and called dog immediately and yeah, rough,

545
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: and then uh, I think that I can't tell if

546
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Cassie saying that the lawyer through who under the bus

547
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and she's not talking to her family. I can't tell

548
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: if this is some sort of publicity stunt and or

549
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: if this is what the lawyer has told her to do,

550
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: because maybe if it looks like there's division in the family,

551
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: that there's something that maybe it just juices the story up.

552
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, it maybe it takes away from where's

553
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Brian and more about what's going on the family. I mean,

554
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we're pulling focus. Who's to say

555
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I disagree with you? I think that we forget this.

556
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes news media will, news outlets will pay people for interviews.

557
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Who to say that she just maybe she needs some

558
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: more Instagram followers. I don't think it's for Cloud. I

559
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: think if somebody's willing to pay you a certain amount

560
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: of money and you don't have any information, it's neither

561
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: here nor there, why not take it. I think that's

562
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: how she's feeling. I mean, she's not really giving anything

563
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: either way. It's not helping solve the case or hurting him.

564
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I had empathy for her, you do why. I feel

565
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: like in her interview, she comes out on her lawn

566
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and she's being interviewed by her neighbors. So it feels

567
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: like she finally snapped and she just had enough to me.

568
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: She wanted to know. She wanted to set the record

569
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: straight and be like, you know what, I'm mad at

570
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: them too. I don't have anything to do with this.

571
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm just blood related to this person. That's kind of

572
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. But she also went

573
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: on that camping trip and they were like, did you

574
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: ever ask about Gabby? And she was like, no, it

575
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: never came up. What it never came up? Okay, so

576
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: this goes again into the theory. Right. Well, also she

577
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: said something very interesting, right, Cassie said, silence is not guilt.

578
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: But she's not being silent. No, no, no, But she's

579
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: talking about Brian. Right. I there's there's a small chance

580
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: that the smallest chance, there's the smallest chance in the

581
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: world that he told his parents we got into a

582
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: fight and she ran away and I have no idea

583
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: where she is. There's the smallest chance. And then maybe

584
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: he said when we go on the camping trip, I

585
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. Can we not bring

586
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: it up with everyone? Or maybe we tell everyone that,

587
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, we're taking a break or whatever it is,

588
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: so that they didn't talk about it. There's the smallest

589
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: chance that's true. Right. Well, let's say that that smallest

590
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: chance is true. I have zero empathy for that, because

591
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: there's already footage of people calling in saying that they

592
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: saw him slapping and hitting her. So even if it

593
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: was an accident, there's already proof that he's abused her.

594
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about his sister. There's a chance that

595
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: she didn't get the truth, right, But most likely if

596
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: he's been abusing her on this camping trip, that's not

597
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the first time, especially uh because of the van. I

598
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's just because of the van. I don't.

599
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I don't know, but I

600
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: don't imagine, especially if this was happening back at the

601
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: nightclub with the best friend where he was she wasn't

602
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: allowed to go and he had her. I D. All

603
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: that happened back in Florida. Like to give you guys backstory,

604
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: there was a time before this camping trip ever even

605
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: happened where she where. Gabby wanted to go with her

606
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: best friend to a night out and Brian hit her,

607
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I D And it became this huge, big fight because

608
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed to go, and it was like and

609
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: the best friend came out and did these news reports

610
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: and said how controlling he was and how you know

611
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: this was an ongoing thing. So I think everybody and

612
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Gabby's life knew how controlling he was. Super emotionally abusive, correct,

613
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: which if you are emotionally abusive allegedly and then we're

614
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: hearing about is really proud of us job. But the

615
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: FBI is now claiming that they were keeping an eye

616
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: on him from the beginning. I'm like, well, who's keeping

617
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: an eye on him? Like, yeah, your watchdog blows my guy? Yeah,

618
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean, who who? Like, how would

619
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: you let him go? Yeah? They said we were watching him.

620
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: We got distracted because they put in flower beds and

621
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: then he was we know. They were like, I'm sorry,

622
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Ship's Creek was on. We couldn't look away. I get it.

623
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: It's a really good show, you know. I just think

624
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: that I truly think if they would release more information

625
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: that the Internet could probably find this guy faster. At

626
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: this point, I think the Internet still will find him

627
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: faster because the Internet keeps throwing tips about where they

628
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: think he might be. They thought they saw him mental Walmart,

629
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: they thought they saw him in Canada, in Mexico, the

630
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail, and this is news from predators. Tiktoker's YouTuber's

631
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: people on Instagram, Twitter, everyone's firing off trying to find

632
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: this guy. So I have a feeling. I have a

633
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: feeling someone from the social media sleuth family will find him.

634
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: And if it's not Dog, it's gonna be a YouTuber.

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Speaker 1: I hope it is Dog. I hope it's me. I

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Speaker 1: hope it's as you know, someone, and I hope it's soon.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that whatever way that she did end

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Speaker 1: up going, I hope it wasn't long and drawn out.

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Speaker 1: I really do. I hope that it was fast. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think we can agree that we all are so

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Speaker 1: sad about this obvious tragedy that occurred, and that there

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Speaker 1: were so many warning signs, and it felt like this

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Speaker 1: was the third strike. The first strike was the first

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Speaker 1: police call, the second strike was the second police call,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the third was then fighting at the restaurant.

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Speaker 1: And if you guys are fighting that much in such

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Speaker 1: a short amount of time, it's a really bad sign.

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Speaker 1: Especially when you're an enclosed vehicle with the same person

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Speaker 1: for months, you're bound to go crazy. If I was

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Speaker 1: alone by myself in an enclosed vehicle like that, who

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Speaker 1: knows what happened, I'd I'd probably be like Tom Hanks,

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Speaker 1: uh with Wilson, you know, I would just be absolutely

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Speaker 1: I'd be crazy at this point, it Willson, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. So if you add another human

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Speaker 1: being to that equation, probably not good. It can't be good.

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Speaker 1: It can't be good. And I think for so many people,

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Speaker 1: especially this year was so hard and everybody was looking

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Speaker 1: for an outlet. And I just think that is a

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Speaker 1: big reminder about social media. I think Gabby was trying

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Speaker 1: to create a life that didn't exist for herself through

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Speaker 1: social media, and like within our kids, within our life,

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Speaker 1: within you know, everything that's going on. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: most heartbreaking part. You know, they said they never left

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Speaker 1: the van. Really, even though they're creating this illusion that

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Speaker 1: they're like doing these huge hikes, they're doing this, they're

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Speaker 1: living these adventures, that's not what was happening. Is it

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Speaker 1: possible it's because he wouldn't let her, he would let

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Speaker 1: her leave. I probably because I did here, So we're

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Speaker 1: running out of time, But I did. Hear um a

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Speaker 1: father of a woman who had been murdered from domestic

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Speaker 1: violence before. He said, domestic violence is like climbing up

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Speaker 1: a graduate hill. Not until you turn around and look

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Speaker 1: back do you realize how much it's escalated. And I

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Speaker 1: thought that was pretty powerful. I have I too, have

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Speaker 1: four kids, and three of them are girls, and this

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00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: kind of ship bugs the hell out of me. So

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Speaker 1: something like that, I think all these things, we look

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00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: back at them and we're like, oh, well, there's this,

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00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: there was this, there was this, but you don't really know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the biggest thing is

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Speaker 1: if if anybody listening has realized that you've been isolated

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Speaker 1: from everybody else, If the person that you're with is

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Speaker 1: isolating you from your friends, from your family, from everybody,

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Speaker 1: that's a huge that's a huge warning sign. And another

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Speaker 1: warning sign is if a man wants to take you

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Speaker 1: on a camping trip. I just like with crackers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so people listen right out of time, but before we go.

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Speaker 1: This has been something that's been brought up in the

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Speaker 1: media news also, and it's you know, obviously caused some controversy.

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Speaker 1: Why the obsession with this case? Obviously there are other

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Speaker 1: people that have gone missing and this and that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are saying it's because she was white

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Speaker 1: and she's blond and she's cute. Why do we why

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00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: are we obsessed with this case? I think for me,

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00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: what happened was I was so tired of hearing about COVID,

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00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and then I saw a notification on Twitter that just

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00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: caught my intrigue because it was literally the only thing

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Speaker 1: that wasn't about COVID. On my timeline and then I

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00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: just got pulled in. And I think when people catch

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Speaker 1: a crime in real time, it is interesting because you know,

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Speaker 1: when there's a missing person and the story start to

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00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: not add up and it's obvious that there might have

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00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: been foul play, you just get intrigued. And I know

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Speaker 1: that I had actually just watched Click Click Bait on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen that shop

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00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: so hot? Yeah, the show so good. Sorry, that's what

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00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: I meant to say. And and it is a very

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Speaker 1: similar case. And it's all about social media getting involved

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Speaker 1: in a murder and with dating apps and cat fishing

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Speaker 1: and people on the internet wanting to be detectives and

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Speaker 1: salutes and it just felt so interconnected. After having just

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00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: watched a show about it, I felt like I was

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Speaker 1: an episode of The Truman Show. I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is happening in real time right now.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I got, almost like crack at

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Speaker 1: it did to it? What about you, Teddy? For me?

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Speaker 1: I I've always been this way, um any time, I

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00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: mean this year, especially because because of COVID and because

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00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: you know there is that time, you know, there's that

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Speaker 1: downtime where you know, people say you should be focusing

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Speaker 1: on being present, but that's where, like I will really

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Speaker 1: dig into it. I've been like that for a couple

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Speaker 1: of different things. Army Hammer this year, I got obsessed

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Speaker 1: with wanting to know every single detail about that, Britney Spears,

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00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: conservativeship this, and I think that you know, especially with

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00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: this case, I think there's just so many unknowns and

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Speaker 1: I think most of the time with cases, you have

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Speaker 1: a general idea why, and this from the very beginning,

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00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: you're lost. Well, also, did you know that murders were

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Speaker 1: down last year because everyone was at home? Murders were down,

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Speaker 1: but suicide was up, Domestic violence was up because you know,

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Speaker 1: mental mental illness, and you know abuses up because you

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Speaker 1: know it's people were really unhappy and they still are.

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Speaker 1: I think pandemic or no pandemic, most people are unhappy.

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Speaker 1: But I think that you know and it It sounds trivial,

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Speaker 1: but I think talking about it and having those conversations

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00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: and for me even doing the research and learning about it,

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Speaker 1: and even though yes we are making light of a

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00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: very heavy situation at times, helps educate on how severe

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Speaker 1: a situation can get. Absolutely, but that was also why

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Speaker 1: I got so invested in the case because I saw

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Speaker 1: a little bit of myself and her where I thought

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00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: that could have happened to anyone on a camping trip.

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00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: And I know that when I was in a tent

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00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: with my boyfriend or when we were going hiking and

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00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: we're in this isolated area. At times, I got really

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00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: uncomfortable too. You have to really trust someone and know

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Speaker 1: someone to go camping, and so many people go missing

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Speaker 1: in the area where they were all the time. They've

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Speaker 1: already found another body that was missing because of this case,

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00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: I know, I mean and and in closing because I

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00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: know we have to wrap up, but imagine it being

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00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: the person that brought you there. This is so heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you guys so much for joining us for our

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00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: very first, but not our very last deep dive. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Jesus, very heavy. Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: at Real Time Crime. I've been Lea Lamar and I'm

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Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp. See you next week for more real time crime.

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Speaker 1: It's real time grad real time gra I mean, is

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Speaker 1: it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything or is

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Speaker 1: that just the thing we say? It's a thing we say,

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Speaker 1: got it? Okay? See you next week for more real

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Speaker 1: time crime, only on i Heart Radio