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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to be talking to a candidate in

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Speaker 3: Michigan in just a bit. But some news on the

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Speaker 3: Michigan front, but also the Canadian front here right now,

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Speaker 3: breaking this morning. Canada has canceled a planned joint celebration

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Speaker 3: with the United States to mark the opening of the

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Speaker 3: Gordy Howe International Bridge between Windsor, Ontario and Detroit, citing

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Speaker 3: trade threats from President Trump that was scheduled to open.

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Speaker 3: It is scheduled to open a traffic on July twenty second,

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Speaker 3: but the ribbon cutting ceremony that was planned for I

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Speaker 3: believe Friday has been canceled.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Trump's fifty percent tariffs on imports from Canada was announced

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Speaker 3: on Monday, all kinds of imports. We're talking cars, alcohol, dairy.

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Speaker 3: That is scheduled to go in effect within the next

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Speaker 3: thirty days. So there's room for negotiation, but is obviously

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Speaker 3: royaling US Canada relations. We can go ahead right now

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Speaker 3: and put up the first element here, This is D one.

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Speaker 3: He is going to be asked if this is in

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Speaker 3: response to the wildfires. You remember last week he said

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Speaker 3: he was going to retaliate for Canadian wildfires. Were the

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Speaker 3: tariffs in response to the wildfires? The timing was at

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Speaker 3: least interesting. Here's what President Trump said yesterday in the

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Speaker 3: Oval Office.

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Speaker 5: The Canada terriffs.

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Speaker 6: What are those of response to the wildfires?

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Speaker 7: And you know that shepherd.

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Speaker 8: We'll look in at that shepherd.

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Speaker 6: And what is there anything?

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Speaker 8: The only response to the way they've did our farmers

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Speaker 8: and our people. Canada has been very, very tough on

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Speaker 8: us over the years, for many years, and no other

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Speaker 8: president's done anything it. I love Canada, I love the

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Speaker 8: people of Canada. Many friends that live in Canada, but

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Speaker 8: their leadership from Trudeau to the current leadership. I mean

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Speaker 8: it all fairness to them. They need us to survive.

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Speaker 8: Without us, there's no way they can survive. So but

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Speaker 8: they've been very, very tough over a period of the

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Speaker 8: last fifty years.

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Speaker 6: Actually so.

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Speaker 3: NPR reports that the administration is citing Section three three

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Speaker 3: eight of the nineteen thirty Trade Act for the legal justification.

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Speaker 3: Now it's going to include things that were under USMCA,

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Speaker 3: which Trump obviously has not renewed. It's still good for

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Speaker 3: or is it run like seven years? Yeah, until it

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Speaker 3: actually comes up again.

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Speaker 4: Negotiated it. By the way, Yes, that was.

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Speaker 6: The Trump USMCA.

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Speaker 3: Now it's going to exclude energy products, potash, fish, and

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Speaker 3: critical minerals, but they would include those previously included goods

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Speaker 3: that were you may remember as we were just talking

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Speaker 3: has been overseeing the implementation of the tariffs. Here's what

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Speaker 3: he had to say yesterday.

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Speaker 9: First of all, one thing to remember is we have

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Speaker 9: always had trade issues with Canada. It's always been the

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Speaker 9: most contentious part of our relationship across the decades, whether

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Speaker 9: it's with softwood lumber or you know, twenty thirty years

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Speaker 9: ago with trade in grains and pork across the borders.

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Speaker 9: So it's not new to have trade tensions with Canada.

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Speaker 9: I would say going forward, I'm going to keep talking

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Speaker 9: to my counterparts in Canada. The Prime Minister put out

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Speaker 9: a letter yesterday responding to the present's action. His letter

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Speaker 9: was firm but moderate in tone. So they haven't cut

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Speaker 9: off talks. We're going to keep discussing with them. The

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Speaker 9: reality is we want outcomes that are good for American

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Speaker 9: workers in American businesses, and we're going to pursue those

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Speaker 9: Sometimes you have to take trade action to incentivize those actions,

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Speaker 9: and sometimes you take an action that leads to a

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Speaker 9: better negotiation. In the end, we will see.

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Speaker 4: Where it leads.

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Speaker 3: So we're in pretty clear from that SoundBite from Jamison

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Speaker 3: Greer that they see this as an opening salvo and

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Speaker 3: on this. But again i'm reading here from NPR's reporting.

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Speaker 3: They say Trump claims and the proclamation that Canada discriminates

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Speaker 3: They're talking particularly about the EU, and actually I think

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Speaker 6: Very good case to make on cheese with the EU.

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Speaker 3: How Canada as it's deal with the EU on Darry

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Speaker 3: But also remember that Canada, as the as the administration

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Speaker 3: the countries that were most retaliatory after Liberation Day. So

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Speaker 3: USMCA on the rocks, to say the least, it's an

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Speaker 3: agreement that goes into the future. But they're saying in

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Speaker 3: this auto proclamation that Canada maintained, starting in April twenty

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Speaker 3: treatment under the USMCA. The White House has said that

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Speaker 3: regarding alcohol, all but two Canadian provinces and territories halted

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Speaker 3: the purchase and retailing of American alcoholic beverages beginning last year,

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Speaker 3: which was a response to Trump's tariffs and taunts of

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Speaker 3: making Canada the fifty first date. But Trump is long

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Speaker 3: objected to Canada's treatment of US Chiese, saying is probably

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Speaker 3: proclamation that Canada discriminates against the US compared to Europe

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Speaker 3: on dairy products. One thing that strikes me is that

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Speaker 3: any president who wanted to actually reset the table on

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Speaker 3: that's in Trump's first term. It's not easy, and that's

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Speaker 3: partially by design because people who want these free trade

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Speaker 3: policies want to make it really hard for you to

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Speaker 3: roll back their trade policies and to reset and rejrigger.

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Speaker 3: But Trump has clearly not done himself any favorsoever. It's like,

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Speaker 3: now that we're looking back on more than a year

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Speaker 3: since Liberation Day, it's that he's trying to I think

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Speaker 3: he was trying to add strategically culture war fights, like

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Speaker 3: little bit more justified, like even just the wildfire which

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Speaker 6: Canad is gonna be the fifty first state.

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Speaker 3: And he's like stoking the culture war as a kind

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Speaker 3: short term produce price hikes.

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Speaker 4: And does he think that Canada is like setting fires

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Speaker 4: on purpose? No, yeah, it's like what do you mean,

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Speaker 4: punish them for having a fire? Like like the in

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Speaker 4: a previous generation, like a country would say, how can

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Speaker 4: we help, can we send assistance? What can we do? Like,

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Speaker 4: we're sorry that you're going through this, and it does

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Speaker 4: suck because like it's our entire like Northeast and mid

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Speaker 4: from this. So this is a collective problem. We've all

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Speaker 4: produced it by well we don't even get in how

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Speaker 4: we produced it many years, many years. So let's work

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Speaker 4: together again. But we're going to like teariff you because

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Speaker 4: we're mad at you. And you know Trump has just

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Speaker 4: loved using tariffs as this political weapon. Yeah, like you,

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Speaker 4: but you know Bolsonara, you know, let's say Lula criticizes

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Speaker 4: Bolson Arrow, so he's going to do tariffs about that.

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Speaker 4: Or the EU has a has an oil industry policy

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Speaker 4: that he doesn't like. Well, extra twenty percent tariffs on

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Speaker 4: them until they get rid of this policy. And so

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Speaker 4: when a business leader is a CEO of a company

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Speaker 4: is making decisions, the idea of the tariff is that

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Speaker 4: it's going to incentivize kind of reshoring of manufacturing. But

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Speaker 4: the CEO knows it has nothing to do with manufacturing.

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Speaker 4: It's because he's angry about a forest fire, or he's

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Speaker 4: angry about something Lula did, or he's angry about an

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Speaker 4: oil policy that some country has, or God only knows what.

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Speaker 4: And so you wouldn't then make a business decision assuming

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Speaker 4: that that tariff is going to be in place a

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Speaker 4: couple months from now. In fact, he went through this

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Speaker 4: entire renegotiation of the US Mexico Canada trade agreement and

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Speaker 4: then just said, forget it. I'm just doing all of

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Speaker 4: these different things anyway. So all you kind of can

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Speaker 4: do is just batten down the hatches. If you compare

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Speaker 4: forget what you can look at Biden and like, by

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Speaker 4: this point in Biden's term, I think he'd added something

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Speaker 4: like six hundred thousand manufacturing jobs. But some of that

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Speaker 4: was just rebound from COVID. Some of it was genuine,

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Speaker 4: you know, reindustrialization and actual industrial policy. Set that aside.

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Speaker 4: Look up how many jobs Trump has created in manufacturing

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Speaker 4: and I think it's something like negative one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: He slowed the decline is the number. Sure, he slowed

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Speaker 4: Not a lot because it was actually booming under Biden.

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Speaker 4: So he didn't slow the decline. He took a an

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Speaker 4: increase and drove it downward. It maybe we will google

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Speaker 4: it before the end of this segment. It's his record

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Speaker 4: on what he'll say is, oh, we have trillions of

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Speaker 4: dollars of investment that's going to eventually translate. But those

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Speaker 4: know how to flatter him. That's not actual real money.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to depend on how you count it

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Speaker 6: and what count did you find?

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Speaker 4: How many manufacturing jobs and Trump's term.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does look like it's slowed. But the other thing,

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Speaker 3: well you look that up. The Globe and Mail has

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Speaker 3: a good write up of the dairy stuff today, obviously

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Speaker 3: Canadian publication, and there's some like pretty serious conversation about

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Speaker 3: treatment of the US versus the EU. But the question

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Speaker 3: with that serious issue is going to end in a

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Speaker 3: better way for the United States obviously remains. So let

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Speaker 3: me read a bit from this your number.

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Speaker 4: We've lost seventy five thousand to one hundred and eight

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Speaker 3: Manufacturing jobs lost them. And what was that compared to

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Speaker 3: the last year Biden? Do we know the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years of Biden, because this is just a claim

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Speaker 3: that the White House does. Okay, so the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: complaining that Canada gives European cheese producers better market access

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Speaker 3: under the CETA.

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Speaker 4: The Companiden Biden added over seven hundred thousand manufacturing jobs.

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Speaker 6: There you go a little fact check here. So we'll so.

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Speaker 4: Biden added seven hundred thousand. Trump has taken away one

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty easy to peg that specifically then to tariffs

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Speaker 3: that would be and.

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Speaker 4: Biden gets he got a boost because of the Colvis thing.

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Speaker 4: But yes, like Trump, you suck at this.

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Speaker 3: Oh maybe that's the claim. We'll build dig into it.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, under the USMCA, Ottawa only allows Canadian dairy

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Speaker 3: processors and distributors access to import licenses, not retailers such

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Speaker 3: as grocery stores. Under the CETA, Canadian retailers can import

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Speaker 3: cheese directly from EU producers. The White House refers to

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Speaker 3: Global Mail Rights argues that because Canadian retailers are not

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Speaker 12: You too, The Bolshevik takeover the Democrat Party is in

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Speaker 3: But socialism, when people talk about it, often does to

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Speaker 6: You'd be like, yeah, this is exactly what's this is? Right?

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Speaker 4: you're you're reading this in this report about terrorism, You're like, so, what,

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Speaker 6: It's not comparable.

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Speaker 4: people into poverty and misery. Communist Party USA would have

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Speaker 4: been against all of those things. And so like, how

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Speaker 4: is it so obvious that we're better off by having

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Speaker 4: destroyed those democratic elements, non violent democratic elements of our

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Speaker 4: civic infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: You were allowed to have communists in the United States.

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Speaker 3: You were allowed to be a communist units that you're

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Speaker 3: allowed to be an anarchist if you were right. We

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Speaker 3: came to a point of consensus, at least until now

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Speaker 3: but what they're trying to do is say, no, you're

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Speaker 3: allowed to be a communist, but if you are and

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Speaker 3: you express sympathies with or end up with any indirect

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Speaker 3: connections to foreign governments, sometimes direct connections to foreign governments,

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Speaker 3: which are legal. There may be somethings to look at

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Speaker 3: that are not, but for the most part, everything that's

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Speaker 3: laid out in that State Department document appears to be legal,

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Speaker 3: because if it weren't, there would be arrests happening right now, eagerly.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: They may try to find some way to cook up

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Speaker 6: like Rico cases style.

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Speaker 3: Schemes, but that's not what's happening right now because they

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Speaker 3: don't have it because a lot of these relationships are legal,

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Speaker 3: free expression from Americans who are allowed to say I

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Speaker 3: like China.

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Speaker 6: You don't think it's dumb, but you're allowed to say it.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, again, what's frustrating about this is

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Speaker 3: the Arctic Frost split screen, which found recently, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Chuck Grassley's releasing these documents that show Jack Smith totally

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Speaker 3: abusing his power, knowingly abused his power, likely perjuring himself

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Speaker 3: about how he abused his power to spy on Republican

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Speaker 3: members of Congress. What's even worse than that, and it's

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Speaker 3: gotten zero coverage in the corporate press, is that they

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Speaker 3: were spying on the conservative movement apparatus, so things like

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Speaker 3: Turning Point USA, love it or hate It, they were

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Speaker 3: being like surveilled by Jack Smith and the FBI at

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Speaker 3: that point in time, the DJ in that point of time,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about dozens of conservative groups, we're talking about Republicans,

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Speaker 3: conversations with the press, CBS News, part of the Smith dragnet,

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Speaker 3: and there's no outrage about that.

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Speaker 6: There is outrage about it on the right. But then you.

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Speaker 3: See similar abuses of civil liberties starting to creep into

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Speaker 3: the conversation, or potential for similar abuses of civil liberties

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Speaker 3: creep into the conversation.

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Speaker 6: And there's a.

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Speaker 3: Really easy first principle to just apply across the board,

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Speaker 3: to stop treating your domestic enemies, who are actually just

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Speaker 3: domestic ideological opponents as enemies.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, exactly, it's wrong to do in principle, and

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Speaker 4: then also in practice. The other thing that this McCarthyism

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Speaker 4: did is it destroyed militant democratic organized labor, like actual

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Speaker 4: democratic unions that represented the workers and replaced them with

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Speaker 4: either boss run or mob run corrupt unions, which then

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Speaker 4: were very quick kind of to sell out their workers,

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Speaker 4: which fueled the the industrialization of the United States. So again,

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Speaker 4: if you like what happened to the United States in

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Speaker 4: the second half of the twentieth century and the destruction

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Speaker 4: of our middle class, then you should cheer McCarthyism, and

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Speaker 4: you should want it to come back. If you think

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Speaker 4: that maybe you liked having a middle class, then you should.

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Speaker 4: You should be a gast that they're looking back at

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Speaker 4: this and celebrating, But you shouldn't be surprised because you know,

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Speaker 4: these are the people that profited off of the smashing

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Speaker 4: of the middle class, so of course they want to

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Speaker 4: keep the boot on the neck of working people.

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Speaker 3: It's also just going to backfire, as it's done in

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Speaker 3: the past. I mean, maybe you have short term gains,

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Speaker 3: but in the long term you end up with growing

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Speaker 3: populism like you see exactly right now. And you have

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Speaker 3: the CEO or the owner of Flock out there saying

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Speaker 3: deflock activists are comparable to Antifa.

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Speaker 6: Why is he doing that?

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Speaker 3: Why is he making a distinction between the ACLU and

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Speaker 3: the EEF. I'm sorry the eff. He's doing it because

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Speaker 3: he's trying to send a signal to the Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: which is putting things out like NSPN seven to say,

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Speaker 3: people who are taking on flock cameras, even if they're

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Speaker 3: just making maps of where the flock cameras are, are

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Speaker 3: comparable to antifa.

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Speaker 6: Take it seriously.

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Speaker 3: This is abolish the police, this is Antifa, And so

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Speaker 3: it becomes a really powerful sort of like incantation that's

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Speaker 3: it's not going to end well for anyone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of that rage is bubbling up in

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Speaker 4: the Upper Peninsula Michigan. To transition to are our guest

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Speaker 4: Kyle Blomquist, who's going to talk about the Haley Stevens

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Speaker 4: abdul l Side race and also his own race against

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Speaker 4: Republican Jack Bergman, who apparently might even live in Louisiana.

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Speaker 6: We got to dig into that one.

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Speaker 4: Is the rumor. We're going to dig into that one.

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Speaker 4: Yet he represents the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. All right,

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Speaker 4: let's let's move over to Kyle. So the politics of Michigan,

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Speaker 4: in a curious turn of events, seem to revolve now

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Speaker 4: primarily around how supportive you are of the state of

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Speaker 4: Israel and the state of the data center build out. Uh,

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Speaker 4: Michigan Governor Meg Whitmer here in a clip that has

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Speaker 4: circulated pretty wid pretty widely, is seen getting kind of

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Speaker 4: to the heart of this question. When it comes to

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Speaker 4: data centers, we're used to people saying f no and

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Speaker 4: then doing it anyway. Is what is what she was

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Speaker 4: caught on that hot mike saying, and F no is

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Speaker 4: what people are saying around the state to the build

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Speaker 4: out of data centers. And here is why we can

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Speaker 4: we can. Let's put up F two just so you

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Speaker 4: had a sense of what it sounds like to live

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Speaker 4: near one of these things. So joining us now to

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Speaker 4: discuss is Kyle Blomquist, who is a Democratic candidate for

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Speaker 4: Congress in Michigan's first district, which is that Upper Peninsula

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Speaker 4: part that for some reason stretches into it like another state,

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Speaker 4: like part of it looks like it if you look

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Speaker 4: at the map, it really should be Wisconsin, but it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's and apparently it makes up almost fifty percent of

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Speaker 4: the entire state this district. Kyle, thanks so much for

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Speaker 4: being here to walk us through some of this.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: By the way, do you have any idea why that

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Speaker 4: is part of Michigan and not Wisconsin. Like, if you

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Speaker 4: look at them, do you know the history.

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Speaker 11: It's actually a war with it was called the Toledo War.

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Speaker 11: It was between Michigan and Ohio, and the consolation prize

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Speaker 11: was the entirety of the Upper Peninsula.

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Speaker 7: That's amazing. I think we made out pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah, it's a great price to go

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Speaker 3: read war after this. I was telling Ryan before the

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Speaker 3: segment he would absolutely love the up So maybe he'll

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Speaker 3: get up there sometimes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never been.

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Speaker 7: We'd love to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just describe it a little bit for us, Like

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Speaker 4: what is this area of the country, like a little bit, you.

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Speaker 11: Know, I think that, Uh, it's deeply rural. It's gorgeous.

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Speaker 11: You know, we're the only congressional district that touches more

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Speaker 11: than one great lake, and we touched three of them.

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Speaker 7: It's forty four percent of Michigan.

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Speaker 11: For a reason, it's deeply rural, It's got a lot

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Speaker 11: of it's tapped potential in terms of its beauty. It's

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Speaker 11: natural beauty. It's the reason why most u person North,

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Speaker 11: the Michiganders live where they live. And I think that

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Speaker 11: unfortunately it also opens us up to a lot of exploitation.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's what being.

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Speaker 11: With the data center issue is we have an abundance

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Speaker 11: of land and and water, and a lot of these

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Speaker 11: AI data center companies want to come here and exploit that.

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Speaker 11: Uh And unfortunately the state of Michigan has kind of

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Speaker 11: opened up the floodgates to that by providing tax breaks

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Speaker 11: to these companies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you saw the comment from women there clearly

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Speaker 4: kind of basically supportive of this. No matter what local

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Speaker 4: local people are saying, what what has been? You know,

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Speaker 4: how many data center fights are there in in your district?

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Speaker 4: And where where is the where are your other Democratic opponents?

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Speaker 4: Where the where's your Republican the incumbent opponent on it?

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Speaker 4: And how have you seen it affect your race?

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Speaker 11: You know, one thing about data centers is it's a

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Speaker 11: unifying issue. When you see what happened in Seline Township,

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Speaker 11: where Governor Whittner was saying, you know where used of

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Speaker 11: people saying f no and doing it anyways, That's exactly

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Speaker 11: what they did in Selene Township. Township was faced with

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Speaker 11: the rezoning of around six hundred acres of farmland to

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Speaker 11: industrial use, just so that they could put up one

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Speaker 11: of these hyper scale data centers. And all the people

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Speaker 11: of Saline Township, whether they voted a Democrat, Republican, Independent,

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Speaker 11: or otherwise, they came out and they said f no,

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Speaker 11: quite literally, and the township board said no.

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Speaker 7: And that should have been the end of it.

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Speaker 11: But instead these data center companies used their considerable means

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Speaker 11: to threaten and exclusionary zoning lawsuit onto this this small township.

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Speaker 7: The township with an operating budget I.

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Speaker 11: Believe around one million dollars, and so they were faced

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Speaker 11: with the option of either having all that money sitting

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Speaker 11: on their chest and suffocating their community, or they were

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Speaker 11: going to be given gift, which was I believe it

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Speaker 11: was ten million dollars or so for a community center.

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Speaker 11: And what everybody saw as part of that was how

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Speaker 11: rapacious those data centers were being in terms of the

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Speaker 11: entering communities, overriding the bind will of the population to

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Speaker 11: do whatever the hell they wanted with our communities in

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Speaker 11: our environment. And then when you see Governor Whitmer there

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Speaker 11: digging a hole alongside Sam Altman, you know, effectively digging

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Speaker 11: the grave of local control. I think that that's becoming

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Speaker 11: a unifying issue, and unfortunately, it's a unifying issue that

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Speaker 11: neither of the other candidates on the Democratic Party side

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Speaker 11: or the Republican incumbent or his competition wants to take

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Speaker 11: on as forcefully as we need to. Right now, in America,

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Speaker 11: we have something like twelve times the number of data

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Speaker 11: centers that China has, and we're supposed to believe that

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Speaker 11: we're in some kind of AI race with China, and

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Speaker 11: if that's somehow physically contained by its infrastructure, I have

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Speaker 11: to imagine we're doing pretty good and that we don't

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Speaker 11: need to be invading communities against their will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to ask how this is affecting the

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Speaker 3: politics because obviously Gretchen Whitmer is a Democrat, and you

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Speaker 3: were just laying out some of these dynamics that both

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Speaker 3: major parties seem unresponsive to the concerns of people on

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Speaker 3: the ground. So as you are talking to people on

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Speaker 3: the ground, rank and file voters, normal people, how are

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Speaker 3: they seeing this through a political lens or not through

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Speaker 3: a political lens, And how is it affecting some of

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Speaker 3: these elections like the one that you're running in for

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Speaker 3: Democrats and just again like for voters who are trying

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Speaker 3: to decide who they want to cast about for November.

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Speaker 11: We'll tell you what, when you're running as a Democratic,

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Speaker 11: you know, when you're running as a Democrat in Northern Michigan,

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Speaker 11: you're always going to be at somewhat of a disadvantage

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Speaker 11: because of the partisan identity. You know, we don't speak

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Speaker 11: through party, you know, in our race, our campaign speaks

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Speaker 11: through class, and it is the working class that's unified

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Speaker 11: against these data centers. And I have absolutely no hesitations

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Speaker 11: to calling out vs on either side and calling out

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Speaker 11: Gretchen Whitmer and the way that she's operating against our

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Speaker 11: best interest. She does the same thing when her administration

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Speaker 11: is now issued permits for the Line five pipeline tunnel

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Speaker 11: through the straits of Mackinaw.

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Speaker 7: That is an infringement on.

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Speaker 11: A lot of people's wishes here in Northern Michigan, but

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Speaker 11: also our treaty obligations to our native brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 11: So it's interesting because the dynamic, as I see it

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Speaker 11: as this is it's tough to be a Democrat while

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Speaker 11: one of the most prominent Democrats in the state is

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Speaker 11: doing what she's doing on behalf of big tech. But

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Speaker 11: at the same time, it gives me an opening to

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Speaker 11: people who vote differently than me, or are independent, or

659
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Speaker 11: are looking for thing different because they see that I

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Speaker 11: am absolutely willing to call that BS out on the subs.

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Speaker 11: It's a bridge issue in that way, because I think

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Speaker 11: really what people are tired of is party loyalty at

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Speaker 11: a time when both parties seem to be primarily loyal

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Speaker 11: to their donors.

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Speaker 4: There's a bit of a catch point two when it

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Speaker 4: comes to running as an independent in this country, Like

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Speaker 4: if you run as an independent but there's also a

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Speaker 4: somewhat credible Democrat on the ballot and they cleave off like,

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Speaker 4: you know, fifteen to twenty percent of the vote, then

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Speaker 4: it's going to be enough for the other major party

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Speaker 4: candidate to you know, move first past the post the

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Speaker 4: way that Bernie Sanders handled that in Vermont. So what

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Speaker 4: he does is he runs in the Democratic primary, he

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Speaker 4: wins it, and then he rejects the nomination and so

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Speaker 4: then the Democrats can't put somebody on the ballot. I

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Speaker 4: wonder what have you looked into what Michigan's law is

677
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Speaker 4: around this question, Like would you be able to win

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Speaker 4: the nomination and then reject it and say, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I'm actually going to run as an independent because I imagine,

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Speaker 4: and you're in the Upper Peninsula there there are a

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Speaker 4: lot of people who would agree with your politics are

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Speaker 4: but the brand of the Democratic Party is just so

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Speaker 4: toxic that it's going to be hard for them to

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Speaker 4: overcome it.

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Speaker 11: Really, the election lock here in Michigan is such that

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Speaker 11: you have to have more petition signatures if you're running

687
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Speaker 11: on an independent line compared to one of the two

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Speaker 11: major parties. You have to go through that process. I

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Speaker 11: believe that that that deadline. I believe it was July fourteenth,

690
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Speaker 11: So I don't believe it's possible to go the route

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Speaker 11: that Bernie Sanders has gone. But you know, as the

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Speaker 11: DSA candidate, I'm running through the Democratic Party like most

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Speaker 11: candidates do. And it's funny because most of the things

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Speaker 11: I get when people are saying, well, aren't you afraid

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Speaker 11: that people are going to colleague a socialists?

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Speaker 7: One hope, I have no problem with that label.

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Speaker 11: But two, there's something far worse that you just tapped

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Speaker 11: into being called a socialists here in northern Michigan.

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Speaker 7: That's becoming being called a Democrats.

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Speaker 11: It's because we've seen so many places in this country

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Speaker 11: where the Democratic Party has basically thrown up their hands

702
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Speaker 11: and they say we're not going to participate in those districts, and.

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Speaker 7: We feel absolutely forgotten.

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Speaker 11: It's the reason why we were Our material conditions continue

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Speaker 11: to deteriorate because they have just decided that these districts

706
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Speaker 11: are not worth running in. But I can tell you what,

707
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Speaker 11: it's a lot cheaper to run and win a race

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Speaker 11: in a weekend Democratic Party in a place like Northern

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Speaker 11: Agan than it is to try to compete a deep

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Speaker 11: blue district like down in Illinois or Oat California, where

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Speaker 11: you have thirty million dollars flying around.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so do you anticipate I mean you're talking to people,

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Speaker 3: so what's your Do you anticipate serious challenges with the

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Speaker 3: DSA affiliation? I mean AFC said something interesting over the

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Speaker 3: last couple of days that she wasn't like raised in

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Speaker 3: a family that was steeped in leftist politics. Something like that,

718
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Speaker 3: basically a nudge to talk more like regular people and

719
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Speaker 3: perhaps less like some of the old tweets that get

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Speaker 3: thrown front and center that some of the candidates have

721
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Speaker 3: had to bat away in their successful races, like dar A,

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Speaker 3: Liza Chpalier in cases.

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Speaker 6: Like those, So is that sticking?

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Speaker 3: I mean, your point is really important about how it's

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Speaker 3: worse to be called like a democrat, I call the socialist.

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Speaker 3: But in a place that you just mentioned is pretty

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Speaker 3: independent minded. What's your you know you said you don't

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Speaker 3: mind the label. What's your experience with people maybe asking

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Speaker 3: you about the lake if they do it all and

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Speaker 3: then you're kind of talking.

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Speaker 11: Through it, Well, you know, the label is something that's there.

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Speaker 11: You know what I explained to people is there's nothing

733
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Speaker 11: dogmatic behind it. You know, when I was a kid,

734
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Speaker 11: I was baptized Catholic, and they told me, all right,

735
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Speaker 11: you're a Catholic. You're going to go to Catechism every Wednesday,

736
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Speaker 11: and you're going to learn what that means, and you're

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Speaker 11: going to be kind of you're going to backfill that

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Speaker 11: label with the belief.

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Speaker 7: Same thing when I left high school.

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Speaker 11: I left high school in two thousand and four in

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Speaker 11: a rural you know, conventionally read district.

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Speaker 7: Most of my friends and family who were Republicans. So

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Speaker 7: what was I was the public did? Right? When you gain.

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Speaker 11: Distance and you start to divorce your political clear your

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Speaker 11: personal ideology from whatever political label you have, it it's

746
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Speaker 11: very quickly that you become rightfully distrustful of busines party

747
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Speaker 11: system and the way that we label people, all the

748
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Speaker 11: way that we take three dimensional individuals and we placed

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Speaker 11: them first on one.

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Speaker 7: Dimension, which is or supposedly as a.

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Speaker 11: Left right spectrum, and then worse yet, we put them

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Speaker 11: into a binary between their Publican Party and the Democratic

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Speaker 11: Party and not you know, the Republican Party seems to

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Speaker 11: be moving consistently further to the right, where the Democratic

755
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Speaker 11: Party is consistently inconsistent, that it has an incoherent platform

756
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Speaker 11: for the most part. What I'm finding is I don't

757
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Speaker 11: walk into rooms and that's pound my chest and you know,

758
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Speaker 11: you know, wave around the red book or nothing like that.

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Speaker 11: What I'm doing is I'm walking into those rooms and

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Speaker 11: I'm using class language to talk about all the things

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Speaker 11: that we have in commons, talk about all the ways

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Speaker 11: that our system is abusing all of us, regardless of

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Speaker 11: how we vote, that once it dust settles on our elections,

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Speaker 11: we're all on the menu and we need to start

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Speaker 11: working together that if you sell something your finite time

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Speaker 11: on this earth for a dollar, and any point you stop,

767
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Speaker 11: the system abuses you, jails you, and forgets you, then congratulations,

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Speaker 11: you're in the American working class. And by that definition,

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Speaker 11: it's ninety percent of us. And we have a tremendous

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Speaker 11: amount of agency and power so long as we start

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Speaker 11: looking at our neighbors like allies rather than adversaries. And

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you what this partisan shit like this this

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Speaker 11: stuff is fake.

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Speaker 7: This stuff is there's.

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Speaker 11: Nothing real behind it. What's real is when there's an

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Speaker 11: ice storm or there's an erosion events here which are

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Speaker 11: happening more and more because of our man made climate change,

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Speaker 11: or death in the family, Like that's what's real. When

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Speaker 11: somebody comes out and they already have their chainsaw clear

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Speaker 11: in your road before you get out there, even though

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Speaker 11: you vote differently, it's when there's a meal train for

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Speaker 11: the death in the family and doing those sorts of things.

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Speaker 11: That's what we've that's how we are as human beings naturally,

784
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Speaker 11: and all this other stuff is pumped into us to

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Speaker 11: keep us divided and keep us from pulling the cart

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Speaker 11: in the same direction.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of ignoring different parts of the state, Haley Stevens,

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Speaker 4: the Senate candidate, has gotten a lot of criticism up

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Speaker 4: in the up and elsewhere for focusing her campaign almost

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Speaker 4: exclusively on the Detroit kind of metro area and not

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Speaker 4: leaving that part of Detroit. I wanted to play a

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Speaker 4: little clip of her talking about, well, just roll this

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Speaker 4: and ask you about it. Let's play F three.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we do have this rally tomorrow with Sander

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Speaker 3: as an AOC for your opponent.

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Speaker 11: There are a lot of people in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 11: that are looking for that progressive kind of movement.

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Speaker 6: How would you try to bring those people in?

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Speaker 5: I'm just curious if you know mister Sanders is willing

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Speaker 5: to acknowledge the great work that I did alongside President

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Speaker 5: Obama on the auto rescue. You know, he had just

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Speaker 5: himself gotten into the United States Senate, and I don't

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Speaker 5: remember him being around for the auto rescue, but I

804
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Speaker 5: certainly remember our sleeves being rolled up to save the

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Speaker 5: two hundred thousand Michigan jobs, to stand up for working

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Speaker 5: people and to do the right thing. And I'm also

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Speaker 5: really proud of the record that I have.

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, I think it's kind of a low bar being

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Speaker 4: set for That clip has gotten a lot of praise

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Speaker 4: as it's been circulated, but if you listen to his closes,

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Speaker 4: he just kind of a swipe a Bernie Sanders from

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Speaker 4: not being in the room on the auto rescue in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. But I'm

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Speaker 4: curious how Hally Steep, how you think Haley Stevens is

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Speaker 4: playing up in the Upper Peninsula versus her opponent Abdul Alsaiad.

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Speaker 11: Well, I can tell you this much, and this might

817
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Speaker 11: be it might be the worst kept secret in the world.

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Speaker 11: But before I was ever a candidate in this race,

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Speaker 11: I was a believer in Duel Alsaiah, you know. And

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Speaker 11: I met a duel in I think it was may

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Speaker 11: or June of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: He had come up to the Upper Peninsula. He had

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Speaker 7: come up to Asknaba.

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Speaker 11: He was making the rounds even then, to the deeper,

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Speaker 11: darker places of our state, the places that are often forgotten,

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Speaker 11: and he was having these conversations, same conversations that I'm having,

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Speaker 11: telling people that they deserve more from their government. And

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Speaker 11: he's willing to go to those contended places and have

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Speaker 11: those difficult conversations, even in rooms that might not be

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Speaker 11: predisposed to agreeing with him, because that's what the work is.

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Speaker 11: That duel seems to understand that that's what the work

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Speaker 11: is and again telling you this much is I have

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Speaker 11: never seen a Hailey stephen Yard sign in all my

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Speaker 11: travels here in northern Michigan painted this district with three coats.

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Speaker 7: By now, I see a lot of Abdual science.

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Speaker 11: I talk to a lot of people, and you know,

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Speaker 11: whether there are volunteers or people that are coming to

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Speaker 11: our events, it's abdual buttons all the way.

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Speaker 7: I can tell you that every single time I see.

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Speaker 11: A poll and they have the splits out and they're

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Speaker 11: looking at various different regions, the North seems like it's

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Speaker 11: solid for Abdul. I think that the way that Abdul

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Speaker 11: has been running his race is honest, it's authentic. I

844
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Speaker 11: think everybody can see that, and I think it's playing well.

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Speaker 11: And then the question, the outlying question, is only whether

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Speaker 11: or not the amount of money that is being pumped

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Speaker 11: out into this race from outside sources is going to

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Speaker 11: have the desired impact to mislead people into believing that

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Speaker 11: Miss Stevens is the better candidate.

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Speaker 4: And finally, as we talked about the very top here at,

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Speaker 4: Israel's playing a huge role in the in the Stephens

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Speaker 4: Abdul Sayat race, morle F four is This is a

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Speaker 4: little bit of an interview between Abdul Elsaia and Alex Wagner.

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Speaker 5: So no funding to ensure the survival or future of

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Speaker 5: the Jewish States.

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Speaker 14: Well, I turned that background on you, Alex and say,

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Speaker 14: why is it our responsibility to ensure that?

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Speaker 6: I'm just asking because I think, but why is it?

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Speaker 7: Why is it understanding?

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Speaker 14: But hear me out, hear me out, here, me out.

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Speaker 14: Why is that the essential frame from which we work?

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Speaker 14: Like why is it assumed that the United States ought

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Speaker 14: to be in the business of backstopping a foreign government?

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Speaker 14: Like I'm just saying, like, I don't want ill will

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Speaker 14: for Jewish Israeli people at all, I really don't. I

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Speaker 14: just want equal rights to peace, dignive your self determination

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Speaker 14: for all people. But the notion that somehow our tax

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Speaker 14: dollars ought to secure the interests of a foreign government,

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Speaker 14: Like this is the United States and our own kids

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Speaker 14: don't have good schools, and you're telling me that should

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Speaker 14: be a primary concern over there.

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Speaker 4: How is this argument kind of playing out in the

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Speaker 4: Upper Peninsula.

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Speaker 11: Well, like, I'm telling you this much, I think that

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Speaker 11: what we've seen is the entanglement between the United States

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Speaker 11: government and the government of Israel, not only at a

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Speaker 11: time what they're committing a genocide and gazillin.

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Speaker 7: You have legal annexation and.

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Speaker 11: Programs in the West Bank, when we have incursions into Lebanon,

880
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 11: when we're getting ourselves in technical to do a broader

881
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Speaker 11: regional conflict now in Iran that's starting to hit our pocketbooks.

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Speaker 11: There's not a single person that I've talked to, Democrat, Republican, Independent,

883
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Speaker 11: or otherwise who believes that we should be sending our

884
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Speaker 11: tax dollars to a foreign government like a duple said,

885
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 11: to be able to backstop their ability to perpetrate violence

886
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Speaker 11: against their neighbors, to be able to starve and brutalize

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Speaker 11: a community that is mostly children. And I can tell

888
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 11: you this much is personally, I want my community's needs met.

889
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 11: I believe in Medicare for all. I believe in guaranteeing healthcare,

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00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 11: and as an architects, I believe in guaranteeing housing. I

891
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 11: believe that we should have housing first policy in this country.

892
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 11: But if there's one thing that physically compelled me to

893
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Speaker 11: run in this race is I was sitting up in

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Speaker 11: the Upper Peninsula, halfway between some of it and the

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Speaker 11: rest of it, and I was watching on my phone

896
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Speaker 11: as my tax dollars murdered ton that looked like my children.

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Speaker 11: And that's that's not a not something I say lightly,

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Speaker 11: I quite literally, with the tired mind one night, looked

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Speaker 11: at my phone and in an instant that will lasts

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Speaker 11: the rest of my life, I saw my own son's

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Speaker 11: face on a child in Goslin, and by an accident

902
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 11: of their birth, that child was dead, and my child

903
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Speaker 11: was sleeping soundly in the next room.

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Speaker 7: And I found it.

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Speaker 11: Impossible to believe that on either side of the aisle

906
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 11: that there was a consensus that we should continue to

907
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 11: fund that right wing Israeli government during a time when

908
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Speaker 11: they're committing those sorts of atrocities in the name of

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00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 11: the beautiful Jewish people. And this idea that we can't separate,

910
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 11: that we can't detach the Israeli government from the Jewish

911
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 11: people at large, is bizarre and I reject it.

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Speaker 7: Moule heartedly well.

913
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Speaker 4: Kyle Blonquist, candidate for Michigan's first congressional district. The primary

914
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Speaker 4: is on August fourth. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Thanks a lot, take care, talk to you later.

916
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Speaker 4: Are those Kyle Blanquists that's our show. But of course

917
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Speaker 4: we can't leave without getting Emily's review of Sunday Night

918
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Speaker 4: Fish Concert Meriweather Post Pavilion. We throw this up. This

919
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Speaker 4: is This is us at the show's that's actually my

920
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: uncle Archie in the background.

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Speaker 3: He was awesome, but he's a great Oh my gosh,

922
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: he was telling me the best stories.

923
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Speaker 6: I bet he's from outside Allentown.

924
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kutztown, Pennsylvania.

925
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Speaker 6: Good stuff.

926
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he ran for state rep in two thousand and

927
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Speaker 4: six in a heavily Republican area, lost by like one

928
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Speaker 4: hundred and ten votes or something like.

929
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Speaker 6: You think we didn't talk about this at length, amazing.

930
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: Of course we did, hopefully not while the music was playing.

931
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Speaker 4: They call that chomping.

932
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we were chomping.

933
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Speaker 4: Oh anyway, So what'd you think of the what'd you

934
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: think of the show?

935
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Speaker 3: Smells were bad, vibes were good.

936
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Speaker 6: Based area.

937
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a jam bam person, but I

938
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Speaker 3: can concede that Jampins are usually great musicians, and it's

939
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Speaker 3: just genuinely good music, like objectively fun music to listen to.

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Speaker 6: It was a beautiful night, so awesome. Guy came up

941
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Speaker 6: to us said he loved the show. There that was fun.

942
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Speaker 6: Definitely a lot of breaking points.

943
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Speaker 4: Viewers, I would think, so open minded people there.

944
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was it was chill.

945
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Speaker 3: It was a beautiful night with like the sun setting

946
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Speaker 3: to the side of the stage.

947
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Speaker 6: So it was lots of nice people.

948
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Speaker 4: Emily and field State for the first set and then

949
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Speaker 4: you left to separate, did you But did you catch

950
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Speaker 4: any of the second set with this light show or anything?

951
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Speaker 6: No, we didn't. There was a light show. I didn't

952
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Speaker 6: even realize there.

953
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Speaker 3: Was gonna be a light show, and nobody told me

954
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Speaker 3: there was a light show.

955
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Speaker 6: I'm just hearing of this.

956
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, catch the light show.

957
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Speaker 6: You probably wanted to get up.

958
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Speaker 4: You missed a The second set started with a forty

959
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Speaker 4: minute karini.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we probably made theirs.

961
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Speaker 4: You don't want to miss the forty minute.

962
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Speaker 6: Uh, we went and got mcflury's to be honest.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, so next time, let's they'll maybe they'll

964
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Speaker 4: be in Hampton Fall Tour.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, if the weather's nice, it's like just

966
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Speaker 3: a great time.

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Speaker 4: It's you can't have a bad time.

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Speaker 6: No, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Actually couldn't have a bad time, especially if you're not

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Speaker 3: like in the middle of the throngs. Although they kind

971
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Speaker 3: of we kind of were in the middle of the throng.

972
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Speaker 3: So see, you know, people are getting up to different

973
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Speaker 3: stuff at the people certainly are beach balls bopping around

974
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Speaker 3: because lots of kids. We pointed that out, lots of families,

975
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Speaker 3: lots of kids.

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Speaker 6: It was a fun time.

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Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. I'll say that thanks

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Speaker 3: for the invited. It really was fun and your family's fun.

979
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Speaker 3: So it's always cool to be.

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Speaker 6: With the Grims.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, indeed, all right until next time. We'll see you

982
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Speaker 4: guys soon.