1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Here we go. It is hour two. It is a Thursday. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers are three and a half point 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: favorites tonight against the Washington Commanders. I think, I said 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: in my Hurt Hierarchy, the most impressive team I saw 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: in Week one was green Bay. Defensively, Micah only played 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: forty forty percent of the snaps. I thought they got 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Rashaan Gary. I thought they opened up matchups for other players. 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought their offense looked good. I think green Bay 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: drafts so well. Their wide receiver and tight end talent 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: is exemplary. Whereas Philadelphia, we know they have a stack roster. 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: But I thought there were running lanes that the Cowboys found. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: I thought both Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens separated from 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: the especially Ceedee Lamb separated from his corner coverage. I 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: thought green Bay looked as good as anybody. And then 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: there's the other side of the coin Monday Night Football, 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: where the Bears looked really bad in the second half, 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: but until the fourth quarter, JJ McCarthy looked lost. And 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: with that Greg Cosel joining us as he's done for 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a decade plus NFL films forty six years. So listen, 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: the layups weren't there, the overthrowers were there. The one 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: positive takeaway I had with Caleb, Greg was that on 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: that first series a lot of underneath stuff. He didn't 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: get lured into throwing the ball down the field. With 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Brian Flores, he kind of took what they gave him. 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: He moved, he made one nice throw to Romadnze, but 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: it did feel like he wasn't seeing the field particularly 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: well well and he was missing on some layups. What 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: did the films say with Caleb Week one? 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's fair, And I think that 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: early in the game it was probably by design that 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: they wanted him to take checkdowns and if that was available, 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: to get the ball out. But I went through that 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: tape pretty carefully. So what I decided to do Colin 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: was to read a couple of things that I typed 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: because that's what I do when I watch tape, I 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: take really detailed notes. 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: So here's what I said. A couple of things. 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: I said, Williams at this point in his development is 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: not a refined or advanced anticipation thrower. Then I also said, 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: Williams at this point does not play with the needed 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: clarity from the pocket that is demanded to effectively work 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: through progressions and deliver the ball within structure and timing. 50 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: And those things really showed up. Now again I'm watching 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: this particular tape. I'm not making a judgment about his 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: entire future, but he's got things that need to be 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: clearly worked on. 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 4: I'm sure they're working on them. 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: He also has a habit discussed this last year as well. 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: He has a habit of climbing the pocket when there's 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: no pressure. 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: So what he does is he creates his own pressure. 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: And the result of all of this is there's too 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: many what we call turndowns throws that are there that 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: he does not make. And in any given week, Colin, 62 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: and you know this, can he make special plays because 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: he has a great arm and throws a beautiful ball. 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: Although he missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy 65 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: in this game, but he has a beautiful arm, and 66 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: he's obviously very mobile and can make plays outside of structure. 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: But that's not the way you can live in the NFL, 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: as you know, week to week. 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: So JJ McCarthy, let's just take out the pick six 70 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: in the first three quarters. What did he do in 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: the fourth that could materialize the rest of the season, 72 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: because clearly he gained confidence. You know what I said 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday, I said, there's a little Baker Mayfield 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: that he plays with great emotion. Michael Pennix, for instance, 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: does not. He didn't. Michael Pennix drops Tua, doesn't play 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: with huge emotion. But when I watched Baker and JJ McCarthy, 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: when JJ McCarthy hit Justin Jefferson fourth quarter on the sideline, literally, 78 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: his accuracy and velocity seemed to improve. He plays on 79 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: the sideline after the game. He's a very emotional player. 80 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: So what did he do in the fourth that you 81 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: think he can replicate going forward? 82 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you mentioned that throw that seventeen yard 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: are on the outcut to Jefferson, which was actually his 84 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: best throw. It was a far hashed, deep sideline throw, 85 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: sitting on his back foot and driving the ball. But 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, watching that game, it made me think so 87 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: much about the connection between the offensive coordinator and the 88 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: quarterback because we're looking right now at Aaron Jones touchdown. 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: That was a scheme to play and it worked. So 90 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: when a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: is open and the play breaks down the defense the 92 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: way you anticipate when you make the play call and 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By 94 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: give the credit? Is the credit to the coordinator? Is 96 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 3: the credit to the quarterback? You know, executing well designed plays? 97 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: Look what Sam Donold did in Minnesota last year and 98 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: now JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of Kevin O'Connell 99 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: being one of the best in the league at being 100 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: able to do this. 101 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: Now, obviously you want your quarterback to. 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: Have confidence and feel like you can drop back and 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: make those throws. But it always makes me think about 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: the connection between the play caller and the quarterback. 105 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: All Right, Kansas City is a home dog to Philadelphia, 106 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: and if they lose their own too, and that means 107 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: your chances of making the playoffs are about twelve percent. 108 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: So we'll get to Justin Herbert later. I just want 109 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: to I want to talk Kansas City. And this has 110 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: been like a year and a half. It's been about 111 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: a year problem. It feels like, to me, what are 112 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: you seeing on film? Why does this offense is not 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: as domin on third down? It's less consistent? What do 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: you see? 115 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: And again I can't tell you the reasons because I'm 116 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: not there, but what the film shows is they do 117 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: not have any true structured timing intermediate passing game. So 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: it's a lot of quick rhythm short throws, and it's 119 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: Mahomes making Mahomes plays where he gets out of the 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: pocket and either runs, which by the way, is a 121 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: significant part of their offense is scrambling, or he gets 122 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: out of the pocket and makes great throws as he 123 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: did late in the game when he hit Brown I 124 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: think it was for forty nine yards and it appeared 125 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 3: as if they might come back and win that game. 126 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: But there's really not been And this goes back a year, 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: year and a half, Colin, there has not really been 128 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: a structured intermediate passing game. 129 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: I mean they don't score a lot of points. 130 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: The last two years, I think they've averaged about twenty two, 131 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: maybe twenty three. 132 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: Their defense has been phenomenal. 133 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: Their defense has been in the top five in points 134 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: allowed the last two years. So it's been kind of 135 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: an odd offense to watch. But we're all waiting because 136 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: he's done it so many times for Patrick Mahomes to 137 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: make special plays, and you know what, he'll make them. 138 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: The question is will there be enough of them now 139 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: over the course of seventeen games. 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk Green Bay. They play tonight, they 141 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: host Washington or field Goal Plus Favorite. So they were 142 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: the most impressive team to me that I watched offense, defense, 143 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: coaching structure. They have so many good tight end wide 144 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: receiver players that are not They're still on rookie contracts, 145 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: so a lot of their young players are not yet 146 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: entering their prime. They are so so talented and so young. 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: So let's start with Jordan Love. What's funny, Greg, if 148 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: you ask most Packer fans going into the season, just 149 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Packer fans, and you said, is Jordan Love great? I 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: think it's very split, don't We don't quite know what 151 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: he is? And my argument is he doesn't make a 152 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. He's got a live arm and live legs. 153 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot like what does the film. 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: Say, Well, I think we know what he is and 155 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: you've just kind of hit it. 156 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: You're dealing with a quarterback that's probably in terms of 157 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: physical traits now top six, seven eight in the league 158 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: for sure. And with more and more experience, he'll become 159 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: better at understanding when he can make throws when he 160 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: shouldn't make throws. 161 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: He'll play within the context of a given game. 162 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: But it's funny watching that tape both sides of the ball. 163 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: I was actually more struck by what Jeff Haffley did 164 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: on defense. Now, it might be a totally different defense 165 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: against Jane Daniels than Jared Goff because they are different players. 166 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 4: So we don't know that. 167 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: But the thing is they did as good a job 168 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: as I can recall with what we call late coverage rotation, 169 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: where the picture they showed before the snap of the 170 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: ball and they picture that they showed after the snap 171 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: of the ball was so totally different. And not just 172 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: with one guy we're all with safety move I'm talking 173 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: about with three or four guys moving totally changing the 174 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: picture Now. 175 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: As I said, Goff's a pure pocket player. 176 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: It might be a totally different deal tonight against jayde Daniels. 177 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 4: But I thought Jeff Haffley did a great job with them. 178 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: By the way, they pretty much only rushed four all game, 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: hardly any blitzing, so they generated pressure with their down four. 180 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he only played about forty five percent of 181 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: the snap so that'll probably get up to sixty seventy. Yeah, 182 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: So that'll get up to probably seventy five percent of 183 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: the snaps tonight. Okay, Justin Field's played as well as 184 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: he's played. But let's talk Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, so they 185 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: don't have a great run game. I was called I 186 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: once again. This is the seventh straight year of the 187 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: old line. But was there anything watching Aaron? Let's talk Aaron. 188 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: Was there anything that struck you about Aaron that that 189 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: impressed you or do you think I mean he was 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: hadn't been good and openers the previous three years. 191 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: It was an odd game, and I'll tell you why. 192 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: There were a lot of assignment mistakes by the Jets 193 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: and coverage. Either assignment mistakes or the design of the 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: play caused players to get out of position and so 195 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: it was a tough game to make a true evaluation 196 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: of Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he made a couple of 197 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: really good throws, obviously, but they were just you know, 198 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: it was really well schemed offensively at times, and then 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: the Jets just had some mistakes that you can't make, 200 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 3: and it gave him a lot of pitch and catch throws. 201 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: So, just being honest, it. 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: Was not a game where I came away thinking good 203 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: or bad. We know we can make throws, that's not 204 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: an issue. 205 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: But in terms of ky did he look great? 206 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: There are a lot of wide open receivers, so you know, 207 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: I think a lot of quarterbacks could have probably made 208 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: the throws. 209 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so now I want to go to a 210 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: game that not a lot of people watched. But it 211 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: was funny because I rarely can I predict a game 212 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: to look a certain way. I can pick a winner occasionally, 213 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: but I said, Texan DRAMs, the defenses are going to 214 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: dominate each other. It's going to be incredibly low scoring. 215 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: It'll be incredibly ugly. That said, I thought Stafford actually 216 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: played well despite the fact their old line was banged up. 217 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: What did the tape say on Stafford? Again? The score 218 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: doesn't tell the whole story story. What did the film 219 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: say with Stafford against a great Texans aggressive defense. 220 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, Sean McVay is so good with his formations, 221 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: his use of motions, the way he expands own coverage 222 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: creates voice and windows for Stafford. But Stafford, I mean, 223 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: there's still not as pretty a thrower in the league 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: as Matthew Stafford. And he made a couple of throws 225 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: that were just big, big time throws, and you need 226 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: to do that through the course of a game. But 227 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: they do such a good job overall with how they 228 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: put together their offense. The motion they use the tight 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: end and what we call short first motion to expand coverage, 230 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: and then they work the middle of the field exceptionally 231 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: well I mean Stafford. Look, you can always say if 232 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: a quarterback's protected, he's going to throw the ball well, you. 233 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: Know, to the best of that quarterback's ability. 234 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: But if Stafford's protected, because he's such an elite throw 235 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: over the football, he can just make really big time throws. 236 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: And he made one late in the game, a back 237 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: shoulder to Divine to Adams versus Stingly. 238 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: That was as good as you're going to see. 239 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Okay, here's a guy. The numbers may not impress you, 240 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: but Jay Mack and I talked about this. I was 241 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of blown away by cam Ward. You had to 242 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: watch the game, but he made a couple of times 243 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, Denver's pass rush maybe the best 244 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: in the league. It was a sea of orange on 245 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: virtually every snap. 246 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. 247 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: I thought cam Ward seeing the field and accurately delivering 248 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: the ball, considering the pass rush, considering the altitude, it's 249 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: an opener. I saw a lot I liked with cam Ward. 250 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: I thought they were ups and downs, and I think 251 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: the ball placement has to become a little more precise. 252 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 3: You know, people got caught up in drops. There were 253 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: really only three drops. You know, when you throw a 254 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: ball and it hits a guy's fingertips, it's not a drop. 255 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: So but he I thought he. 256 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: Read the field pretty well. 257 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: The one thing that he has to learn, and many 258 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: young quarterbacks this is not specific to cam Ward, and 259 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: by the way, I like cam Ward, as you know, 260 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 3: but one of the things he has to learn. Because 261 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: they actually did a really good job the coaching staff, 262 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: particularly in the first half, with their route designs. There 263 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: are a lot of opportunities. He has to learn in 264 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: the NFL what pressure is and what pressure isn't because 265 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL there's more bodies around you than in 266 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: college football, Colin as you know, because I know you 267 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: watch a ton of college football as well, so a 268 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: lot of quarterbacks when they get in the league, they 269 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: don't really have an innate feel for what pressure is. 270 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: And if a body gets close, but it's not really 271 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: pressure by NFL standards, they move and they break themselves down. 272 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: And he did that a few times and lost some 273 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: big play opportunities. And then one thing helps for sure 274 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: learn is you can't retreat backwards. He had a couple 275 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: of times where he retreated backwards. You can't do that 276 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: in the NFL. You know that maybe Lamar Jackson's the 277 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: only guy. 278 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: That can retreat backwards. 279 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: So I thought it was ups and downs, but overall 280 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 3: I thought he stayed in the game well, like he 281 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: didn't get the sense that he was overwhelmed by the game. 282 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: But he's going to have to I think increase his tempo, 283 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: his mental tempo a little bit against the NFL faster defenses. 284 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: But I would say probably more positive than negative. But 285 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: it wasn't outstanding. 286 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, there is a I've always said this, I 287 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: have always feel I always felt that if the Ravens win, 288 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: my gut feeling if I didn't watch the game, which 289 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I would of course, but my gut feeling would be well, 290 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson probably played pretty well. But if the Bills 291 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: win a big game, I'm like, well, Josh Allen was superman. 292 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: But I'm told you say that that's a little bit 293 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: of a myth that their offenses at Josh Allen. 294 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because they made a decision last year 295 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: that it couldn't be Josh Allen every week. It's tough 296 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: to play that way, by the way, every week, to 297 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: expect your quarterback to be superman and win every week. 298 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: This game dictated that, no question. And in the fourth quarter, 299 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: just a fourth quarter alone, Colin, he was sixteen for 300 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: twenty one for two hundred and fifty one yards. 301 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: That's the fourth quarter. But the game dictated that. 302 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: But last year they made a conscious decision to be 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: more balanced. And I don't remember the exact number, but 304 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: in terms of run pass ratio, they were like second or. 305 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: Third in the league last year. 306 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: In terms of their running game, so last year, it 307 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: was not the Josh Allen Show unless a game dictated that. 308 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: And obviously the game on Sunday Night dictated that, and 309 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: he made some big, big time throws. And what's really 310 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: interesting about Josh Allen is he's developed this sense of 311 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: understanding when he doesn't have to force the ball and 312 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: when the game dictates that, hey, I've got to make throws. 313 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: And you know, he's developed that with experience. I think 314 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: this is his eighth year now, and he's a very 315 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: calm composed quarterback. 316 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: But this game demanded that he make throws. 317 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: The throw he made to Josh Palmer on the final 318 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: drive and then recognizing the zero coverage and hitting Coleman 319 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: for twenty five yards to make it a chip shot 320 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: field goal. 321 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: Just two really good plays. 322 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna wrap it up with Justin Herbert. 323 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: Let's start with this before the big play. Yeah, what 324 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: have you seen? Now? What have you seen in terms 325 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: of what is Harbawd done to Herbert where it is 326 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: absolutely better for Justin than what he had with Brandon Staley? Like, 327 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: what is Harbaugh done specifically for Justin? 328 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot that comes from Harbaugh and I'm sure, 329 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: Greg Roman, because they play a lot with the fallback 330 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Scott and Matlack, who's a d end in college. So 331 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: they play out of twenty one personnel two backs, but 332 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: it's a fullback, not a running back. 333 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 4: They're really heavy on play action. 334 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: I think they had the best play action percentage in 335 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: the league this past week Week one. They did a 336 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: lot of that a year ago, and play action, particularly 337 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: when the quarterback is under center, to me, is a 338 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: much better way to deploy play action. 339 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: Than in the gun. 340 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: They're now using more motion as a part of their offense, 341 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 3: so there's a lot of factors that go into helping 342 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 3: your quarterback get clear, define reads. And the play that 343 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: I wanted to show and this came from Week one 344 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 3: against the Chiefs, and this is such a really good 345 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: example of the kind of. 346 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: Things they do. And it was a chess match kind. 347 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: Of play because when you play Steve Spagnolo and we 348 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: can take a look at the play now. It was 349 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: actually the touchdown pass to Quentin Johnston, so we can 350 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: take a look at it here. 351 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 4: It is. 352 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: This is the chess match play because when you place spags, 353 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: you get a lot of sort of zero coverage looks 354 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 3: and you know you're going to get that. So you're 355 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: going to see Herbert in the gun here there at 356 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: their twenty three yard line. It's going to be a 357 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: two by two set to start. It won't stay like that, Okay, 358 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: So what do you see? What does Herbert see? Initially 359 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: he sees two deep safeties, a two shell coverage. Now 360 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: what's going to happen here, and this is what I 361 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: was talking about with the motion element. You're going to 362 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: see Ladma Cony on the right side of the formation 363 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: work across the formation. He's going to go in motion 364 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: and they'll see what the reaction is. Now they're going 365 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: to snap the ball before he gets all the way across, 366 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 3: so we're going to freeze it and you'll see. But 367 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: he's going to get all the way across the formation. Now, 368 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 3: what's going to happen with the safeties? Because no corner 369 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: runs with him, the safeties bump over. So now you're 370 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: going to see the route combination. It's really it's three 371 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: man combination. 372 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 4: To the top of the field. 373 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: The critical piece here is McConkey works outside of Johnston. 374 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 3: So what do you get now with Johnston, He's going 375 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 3: to run an overrout but now because of the way 376 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: the Chiefs are playing this, he's going to run his 377 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: overrout against the safety Hicks. You'll take that any day 378 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: of the week. They got exactly what they wanted. It's 379 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: really kind of what we call zero coverage because there's 380 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: no other deep safety here. So it becomes pitch and 381 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 3: catch because you get what you want Johnston, who can 382 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: run and is big against the safety. So beautiful design. 383 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: A great example of the chess match at work. And look, Colin, 384 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: I think you'd agree. You know, obviously people talk about 385 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: Herbert not winning quote unquote big playoff games, but in 386 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: terms of sheer physical talent, you're dealing with a guy 387 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: that's top five in the league. 388 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Greg Cosel forty five, forty six years 389 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: at NFL Films as always on Thursday. 390 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: Thanks Greg, Thanks con appreciate it. You know we. 391 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: Always you know, throughout the course of a season people 392 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: put top ten lists a quarterback. And it was interesting 393 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: to hear Greg talk about Jordan Love. He's like in 394 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: terms of traits, arm size, movement, he's top five or six. 395 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: So we've hit on a green Bay's hit another quarterback. 396 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: But we are getting to a point. If cam Ward 397 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: is as good as we think, bo Nix is working, 398 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: I think Drake May will work. JJ McCarthy looked pretty 399 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: interesting to me in the fourth quarter. Michael Pennix is 400 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: clearly a starting quarterback in the NFL. The hit. It's 401 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: always been fifty percent of quarterbacks in the first round 402 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: don't hit. But if you go to the last three 403 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: big quarterback classes, it's about seventy five percent, and next 404 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: year is another big class. And I think part of 405 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: that isn't just the player. 406 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 4: Some of it is. 407 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I think part of it is we have significantly better 408 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: and more offensive coaching today than fifteen years ago. The 409 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: hit rate for first round quarterbacks, I mean Jayden Daniels hit, 410 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: I would say after the JJ McCarthy fourth quarter hit, 411 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: bo Nicks hit Penni's absolutely a hit. Drake May didn't 412 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: play well. I think he'll be fine. Hold on, Colin, 413 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I. 414 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 5: Just have to ask. 415 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 6: I heard you say, yes, they love Jordan Love in 416 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 6: Week one, but I thought I heard you say with 417 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 6: traits and all this stuff co Celtics, he's in the 418 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 6: top five to six among quarterbacks. 419 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: Is that overall or just for certain things? 420 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: No traits are size, mobility, arm. He's absolutely I mean, 421 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: he's got a great arm, and he's super athletic, and 422 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: he's big. His traits are and are not Josh Allen. 423 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 6: Are we putting Jordan love In like among the top 424 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 6: ten quarterbacks? 425 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 5: For sure? 426 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: Now in terms of traits traits, okay, okay, the best 427 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: trades in the league are Josh Allen, huge, huge arm, 428 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: super mobile. Well, if he's the best traits traits, yeah, 429 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: well no, No, Mahomes has a huge arm, so does her 430 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: big enough the difference, Yeah, but you're talking traits in 431 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: terms about athletic ability. Mahomes is more athletic. Justin's much 432 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: more mechanical. That's an easy one. Every scout will tell 433 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: you that Justin is still a bit mechanical. Mahomes is 434 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: the opposite of mechanical. 435 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 6: Malmes and his dad Bod I mean, yes, mechanically, yes, 436 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 6: but I. 437 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: Heard he's not a scoot. Yeah, but he is a 438 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: mechanical thrower. That's just what he is. Panics, by the way, 439 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: is a little bit like when it with Panics. He 440 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: is a pocket passer, but he's not, and he's a 441 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: fluid thrower. But in terms of trade, we're talking arm 442 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: size movement. Oh, I think Jordan Love's absolutely great. 443 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 5: Interesting. 444 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Love a lot, but I almost wonder 445 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 6: if we're going a little overboard off one week, because 446 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 6: remember there were a lot of questions about him coming 447 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 6: in this summer. 448 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 5: How good is Jordan Love. 449 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: Well, we know it. 450 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 5: He was her last year. 451 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to note at the end of last year, 452 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: I think the numbers were, was it, nine touchdowns no 453 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: picks in his last four starts. There was something we 454 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: talked about the other day. So he doesn't one of 455 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: the things you get with Jordan Love, and this is 456 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: very rare. Aaron Rodgers had this, Mahomes had this where 457 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: you get the risk he'll make those back shoulder throws. 458 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: He'll make those throws where nobody's quite open. But you 459 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: don't get a lot of interceptions with Mahomes. He did 460 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: ducky in the lack. 461 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 6: Sorry, Jordan Love got lucky last week against the Lions. 462 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 6: Dropped interception big time. Well, well, but that luck. 463 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: Remember every quarterback has dropped passes, Every quarterback has dropped picks. 464 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: If you look at Love's last ten starts, he just 465 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, so he gets to 466 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: the and is willing to throw the ball dangerous seem throws. 467 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean he'll throw the ball in the coverage. Don't 468 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: get picked a lot. 469 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: I know we're only hour two, but you gotta take 470 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 6: on tonight's game. 471 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: A score. 472 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 5: It sounds like no, no, no, no. 473 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I like green Bay all right, three and a half. 474 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: I would take I think it's a close game. I 475 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: would say, my take is it's twenty seven. I would 476 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: not bet the game. I think it's twenty seven to 477 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: twenty three green Bay. 478 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 6: Okay, alright, so the over and the I like that. 479 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 6: I'll go twenty four away. Fourteen Packers last eight. 480 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Love starts half a season in a good division, 481 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns, no picks. That's not a small sample size. 482 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: So I know Mahomes was one of those guys. Aaron 483 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: Rodgers in his prime would run around, make throws, throws 484 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: in the coverage, and Aaron wouldn't throw picks, and Mahomes 485 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't throw pay That's very rare. Usually you get the 486 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: far where big arm moving, but you get picks with it. 487 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold again really athletic. You get interceptions. Jordan's wrong. 488 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, just now, some of that's go floor. 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That's 509 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: one of them. Jmack with the. 510 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 4: News, Turn on the news. 511 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: This is the headline news. 512 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 5: Speaking of Phil Big Colin. 513 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 6: Let's go to tonight's matchup Packers and Commanders. Jaden daniels Man. 514 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 6: What a rookie season and he looked good last week. 515 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 6: I didn't think he looked great, but also running the 516 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 6: football was very effective. One thing he hasn't done yet 517 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 6: in his career is play at Lambo Field. 518 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: Tonight he gets a. 519 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: Shot be able to play a night game in Lambeaufill. 520 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 8: You know, growing up you hear about the history of 521 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 8: Green Bay and everything, So I'm super excited to go 522 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 8: on that stadium and be able to experience that. 523 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: Well, he has not only delivered, but it's surpassed through 524 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: eighteen games. Well, I mean, if you count playoffs, it's 525 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: over twenty. I in my lifetime, I have never seen 526 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: a quarterback this good, this early. Not John Elway, which 527 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I vaguely remember, and not Andrew Locke, not Trevor Lawrence. 528 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: This is the best quarterback through twenty games I have 529 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: seen in my entire life. Boys accuracy, mobility, smarts, leadership, 530 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: He's number one. 531 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 6: Wait me, is it twenty starts? Because Patrick Mahomes sat 532 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 6: out a year and then when he came in year two, 533 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 6: he was unbelievable. 534 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid. He 535 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: was I would say more dynamic in terms of great plays, 536 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: but in terms of pre snap accuracy, fourth quarter, I mean, 537 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess second place would be Patrick Mahomes. 538 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: But Patrick sat for a that's a fair comment. Patrick 539 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: did sit for a year. So if you want to 540 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: count that, we'd probably do Mahomes one, twenty starts, Mahomes one. 541 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: I wonder what the numbers are Mahomes twenty starts Jaden 542 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: Daniels now Jaden again, bad roster, you know, defensive head coach, 543 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: you'd have to count that. But I want if you 544 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: took the first twenty starts Mahomes, Jadan Daniels, what do 545 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: they look like? 546 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? 547 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 6: Obviously number three has to be Mark Sanchez, who took 548 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 6: the Jets as a rookie to the AFC Championship game. 549 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 5: I remember, yes, obviously, real quick note tonight. 550 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 6: I'm just telling you, guys, if you're watching closely, keep 551 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 6: an eye on this kid Cooper of the Packers, the linebacker. 552 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 6: I have a feeling, no inside information that he's going 553 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 6: to be spying Jaden Daniels. They will not let him 554 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 6: get loose and if you can keep Daniels in the 555 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 6: pocket and contain, I don't know that they can win 556 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 6: on the outside enough. Does Deebo Samuel scare you? He 557 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 6: was good in week one, but I don't know that 558 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 6: he scares you in terms of separation. 559 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: And I like the both both Terry McLaurin, yeah, who 560 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: signed late and Micah who was traded late. Watched them 561 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: have an impact. You know in week one we talked 562 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: more debo. Watch Micah play much more, far more snaps 563 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: and watch Terry McLaurin have a bigger Week two. 564 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 5: It's a great Thursday night game. What are we doing next? Colin? 565 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 4: What do we do? 566 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 567 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 6: It's Josh Allen, who did not have a great start 568 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 6: to his career. I think fifty two percent as a 569 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 6: rookie throwing, but obviously he was tremendous in the Week 570 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 6: one victory. 571 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 5: Heading into week two, he'll take on my. 572 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 6: Jets who have a tough run against him, and Sauce 573 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 6: Gardner is looking forward to the matchup not at all. 574 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 8: I don't really enjoy it, you know, you ever, as 575 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 8: a corner, you never really enjoyed playing against like running 576 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 8: quarterbacks who are quarterbacks that's capable of using their legs 577 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 8: and stuff like that. So, man, I'm looking forward to it. 578 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 5: You know, he's a competitor, easy, he's a guy. 579 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: The advantage to playing the advantage for the Buffalo Bills 580 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: and the Baltimore Ravens, and to some degree, like a 581 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts from Mahomes. It's harder to play man and 582 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: man defense. You're almost forced into playing zone because you 583 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: can't have cornerbacks turn their back. So one of the 584 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: great things about having an athletic quarterback, the big advantages 585 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: is you can kind of predict the coverage you'll see 586 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: before the snap. It's very hard to play man and 587 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: man against Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. 588 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 6: Josh Allen, we have a couple numbers for you. In 589 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: the last three meetings with the Jets. Not great for 590 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 6: my Jets. Allen is undefeated with nine total touchdowns in 591 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 6: one pick. 592 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 5: Now, listen, the Jets were a dumpter fire last year. 593 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 5: They fired sala whatever. 594 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Allen's been great against the Dolphins, Patriots and Jets. That's 595 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: not a Jets problem. He has dominated the division, great 596 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: against everyone. 597 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 6: So you see the line six and a half. If 598 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 6: I get a seven. If you want to give me 599 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 6: a seven, I'm taking it with the Jets. I do 600 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 6: believe their run game which we saw against Pittsburgh. They're 601 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 6: gonna be able to run just like Baltimore did all 602 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 6: over Buffalo. 603 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 5: And keep this close. Quick note color. 604 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 6: The rookie that the Jets drafted in the top ten, 605 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 6: Membo from Missouri, number one graded right tackle in football 606 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 6: in Week one. Wow, he was tremendous and sometimes he 607 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 6: was maxed up against a gentleman named TJ. 608 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 4: Watt. 609 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 5: Okay, it's very interesting. 610 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: So the Ohio State left tackle is excellent sens. Yeah, 611 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: so this is not a small thing. 612 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 5: Oh wait, wait, you talk a Jets. So Fashanu went 613 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 5: to a Penn State, Penn State, Penn State. 614 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: But the Jets now, for the foreseeable future and for 615 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: at least the next three to four years, have elite 616 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: tackles and are not paying them on a second contract. 617 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: So this is not a small thing because Justin Field 618 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: does not have a big money deal with the Jets. 619 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: So what it tells you is, right now, if the 620 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Jets play well, and I was more impressed with the 621 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: Jets than I was Pittsburgh despite losing, Folks, This is 622 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: not a small thing. 623 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 5: And they got a young receiver. 624 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: There does appear that the Jets have foundational tackles if 625 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: they want to resign them for the next ten years. 626 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: And there's not seven teams in the league that can 627 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: say that's a huge And it's also an attractive thing 628 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: if you went the free agent route for a quarterback, 629 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: an older quarterback. What did Tom Brady when he went 630 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: to Tampa. His whole thing was, I like the old line. 631 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: You gotta get a right tackle. Jason Light got Tristan Wurfs, 632 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford came to one of the reasons he came 633 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: to the Rams haveven Stein Wright tackle Andrew Whitworth left tackle. 634 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: So I mean, that's one of the attractive things in 635 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the free agent market for quarterback. You can stay with 636 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: justin field, but if you went big game hunting, you 637 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: can sell to a free agent older quarterback foundational tackles. 638 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: I like, that's a really attractive thing to Jets now. 639 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 6: And they drafted the kid Tipman, the center from the 640 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 6: Big Ten. He's been kicked inside because of injuries. Listen, 641 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 6: young players Jets a Garrett Wilson, Breest Hall, Braylan Allen. 642 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 5: They got a lot of young talent on this team. 643 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 5: You know that. 644 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 6: Like you said, the quarterback is the missing piece. Final story, 645 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 6: Colin is the Dallas Cowboys cede lamb Rough opener against 646 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 6: Philly with four drops. George Pickens only saw four targets. 647 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 6: Remember he's in a contract year. A lot of people 648 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 6: waiting for him to start schirping. He had three catches 649 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 6: for thirty yards in the opener. Pickens has had some 650 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 6: problems in the past, but he seems unbothered by the 651 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 6: lack of targets. 652 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 9: I'm not really worry about to touch it is catches 653 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 9: all this stuff. I'm just trying to stay open Fortyeen. 654 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 9: Like I said, I'm trying to focus on like the 655 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 9: first win from my mind says for the team. Bro, 656 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 9: just get us a win. That's what I want to 657 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 9: feel first. So definitely get us a win. 658 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: Can I give you a prop bet to consider? 659 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 4: Please do? 660 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Why don't you go look at the over under on 661 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: CD LAMB catches this week? 662 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 4: All right? 663 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: What is Dak Prescott gonna do? He is gonna go. 664 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is gonna go big to CD Lamb to prove. 665 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: Don't worry about the drops, Bro, that's just what Dak 666 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: Prescott does. Watch Dak Prescott go heavy twelve targets to 667 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: CD Lamb. 668 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 4: I like that. 669 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 6: The only concern is the Giants pass rush could be 670 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 6: a problem. 671 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 5: And I don't know if that. 672 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 6: Means dump offs or tight ends. But I like where 673 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 6: you read is because Lamb. You know, he was Lamb basted. 674 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: He's a great and go Look. So we think very 675 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: highly of the Eagles corners, do we not? We think 676 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: highly of them? Well, yeah, Ceedee Lamb had as much 677 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: separation as anybody week one, so Ceedee Lamb is getting open. 678 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: He had a bad opener. I think he also had 679 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: like seven catches, so he had a bunch of drops, 680 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: but he had a lot of catches. Keep your eye 681 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: on Ceedee Lamb reclamation. He will be big in this game. 682 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 5: I like it. 683 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, the. 684 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 4: News, and thanks for stopping. 685 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: By The Herd Line News, Nick Saban is talking and 686 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: more thoughts on AJ Brown next the Herd. 687 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 688 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: and noone Easter, not a Empacific. 689 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: Tom Brady Last Hour. So I have speculated that if 690 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: Miami keeps losing, they can move Tyreek Hill and get picks. 691 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: And I Chris Greer's been their GM for a long time. 692 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: The roster is not good enough. I mean, if the 693 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys can move Micah Parsons, then you know Miami can 694 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: move Tyreek Hill. And my takeaway is keep your eye 695 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and AJ Brown. The last twenty games, nobody 696 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: has run the ball more than Philadelphia. The soul of 697 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: the offense is Saquon Barkley, the O line in Jalen Hurts. 698 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: I would argue they used tight ends about as effectively 699 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: as everybody else. So right now, Nick Seriani and Jalen 700 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: Hurts have come out to publicly say I know he 701 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: only had one target. We are very proud of AJ 702 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Brown for understanding. It was just one of those kookie 703 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: games where we didn't throw to a wide receiver but 704 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: one target. To me, the AJ Brown feels very much 705 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: like the Randy Moss New England Miami game. It's not 706 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: about catches, it even target him. So here is a 707 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: J Brown on Sirianni and Jalen Hurts sending him flowers saying, hey, man, 708 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: we appreciate you understanding. You only got one catch. 709 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't like it. I'm not honestly. 710 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 9: I mean, it's cool to make an example out of it, 711 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 9: but I'm not in it for participation trophies. 712 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: No, I don't like. 713 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Nah, I'm cool. I'm cool on that. 714 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 4: I'm not answering that's a set up question. I'm not 715 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 4: answering that. I'll be honest about it. 716 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 9: I'm not answering that. 717 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 4: But I'm gonna focus on myself. I'm like my effort 718 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 4: and what I do. 719 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: So and just remember New England needs a number one. 720 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: New England was slow, sluggish, and deliberate in Week one. Offensively, 721 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: Mike Frable has worked with AJ Brown, right, And remember 722 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: New England's a very young team, right. They're a pretty 723 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: young team because they're going to, you know, the draft 724 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: picks are going to play, so they're going to have 725 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: a lot of young starters. What they don't necessarily need 726 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: is draft picks, right, What they need is somebody that 727 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: can come in and produce because that offense, Drake May's young, right, Like, 728 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: young players are going to have a better chance to 729 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: play for New England than a more established team with 730 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: star players. So I think AJ Brown in New England 731 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: is in play. I think a J. Brown and Tyreek 732 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: Hill to Kansas City is in play. Greg Cosell came 733 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: on earlier and said they just don't have dependable intermediate 734 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: routes in Kansas City. Well, is that going to change? 735 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: They didn't happen last year, and Rashid Rice is still 736 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: five weeks away and Xavier Worthy is now hurt. So 737 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: I and again, if Dallas would give up Micah Parsons 738 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: right before the season, don't be shocked if AJ Brown 739 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: and Nick Siriani is saying all the right stuff. Nick says, oh, 740 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna get in the ball this week. 741 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 10: They don't seeker about we always want to get the 742 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 10: ball too, you know, uh six and eleven, and we're 743 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 10: always trying to and so you know, we'll do an 744 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 10: even better job as coaches trying to make sure that 745 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 10: that happens. But what I do think, you know, and 746 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 10: that obviously starts with me, But what I do think 747 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 10: that we were on offense was very efficient. You know, 748 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 10: the ball was moving forward consistently. 749 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: I think what's also very clear is since last year's 750 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: bye week, nobody has thrown the ball less than the 751 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. So remember A J. Brown only had three 752 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: receptions in the Super Bowl against Kansas City. This offense 753 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: has changed, and they just doubled down on it because 754 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: they just made a trade for Tank Bigsby, the power 755 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: running back from Jacksonville. So it tells me that Howie 756 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: Roseman and they went and got another receiver right before 757 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: the season. So it feels like Howie Roseman, who is 758 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: much more proactive than react, and they went and got 759 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: Dotson last year as the AJ Brown drama was surfacing 760 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: in the locker room. So it feels like to me, 761 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, why is he making all these moves in 762 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: mid August? They how do you? And by the way, 763 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: why did he give up a fifth and a sixth 764 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: rounder for Tank Bixby. My first takeaway that a fifth 765 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: and a sixth for a backup running back? Does Howie 766 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: Roseman believe because I'm going to get a fifth and 767 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: a six back if I move AJ Brown or more. 768 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: That was one of those rare Howie Roseman moves. I'm like, 769 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: whoa dude, dud, dude, dude. And I know people who 770 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: have negotiated with Howie. He likes to win the trade 771 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: like everybody else. I thought a fifth and a sixth 772 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: was by Howie standards more than gracious? Does he know 773 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: he's going to get draft picks back? 774 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 5: Just a thought, Colin? Can I challenge you a little 775 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 5: bit on this? 776 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: All right? I'm fine? 777 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 4: So what do you think? 778 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 6: Let me let me just remind you when the Eagles 779 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 6: acquired AJ Brown, they got a first and it looks 780 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 6: like a fourth round pick eighteenth. 781 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 5: Overall and one hundred and first overall, and. 782 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 6: Then they had to pay him and they got to two. 783 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 5: Super Bowls with him. 784 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 6: Okay, what's a reasonable expectation if the Patriots called that, 785 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 6: you think would it would take to acquire a J. 786 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: Brown second round pick? No? 787 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 5: What come on? 788 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: Man? 789 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 6: So the reason they gonna pay offense I have to 790 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 6: well know him. Actually, he's he's under contract. There's an 791 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 6: out after twenty six, so he still has basically one 792 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 6: year left before. 793 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 5: You can get off his contract. So you don't definitely 794 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 5: have to. 795 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: Pay any would give up I would give up a 796 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: second and a fifth. 797 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 4: Okay. 798 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 6: So the problem with the Eagles if you lose AJ Brown, 799 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 6: everybody is just going to play zone defense against you. 800 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: Right now, you have to play a lot of man 801 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: timeout time out. I'm gonna have two excellent backs the 802 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: best old line, a quarterback that runs. They use the 803 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: tight end as effectively as anybody in the sport. Dotson 804 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: Donovan Smith. That is still top three in the league 805 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: in offensive components. Davonte Smith is a one. 806 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 5: Did you say Dotson? 807 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 6: Come on, man, He's not is a one if you 808 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 6: mean by like one, a one hundred pound wide receiver. 809 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 6: I don't know he's a solid two, but I do 810 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 6: think a J. Brown like he can you can't play 811 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 6: man defense against him. He is unstoppable against man. Because 812 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 6: he's so, they don't they are. 813 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: They don't throw the ball to him in their last 814 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: two games four three three receptions in the Super Bowl 815 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: one target. 816 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 6: Well the Super Bowl game script, they were up like 817 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 6: three touchdowns most of the way, So I get that 818 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 6: done his. 819 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: Since the bye, they throw the ball fewer times than 820 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: anybody in the league, including teams with bad quarterbacks. 821 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 5: I'll just hat. 822 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: Bigsby's acquisition tells me they want to double down on 823 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: the run game. 824 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 5: Well, they do. 825 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 6: Will Shipley, the backup who's good, has some kind of 826 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 6: rib injury. 827 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 5: He's gonna be out for a minute. 828 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 6: But Colin, I just I don't even think they'd be 829 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 6: number two in the NFC, if you trade AJ Brown, 830 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 6: I think they fall significantly like they acquired him, and 831 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 6: he was a lynchpin to getting to two Super Bowls. 832 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: If I should find most important Eagles, I would say 833 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: saque One Hurts, two, Jalen Carter, three. 834 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 5: Lane Johnson. 835 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: Maybe I would say, well, I would say the two 836 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: tackles four and five. I'm not even considerate, and I 837 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: would argue, I mean, he's not a top five crucial 838 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: player for them. 839 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 5: Okay, so hold on. 840 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 6: Last year he missed a game. I think it was 841 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 6: a Tampa Bay game and they had no offense. They 842 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 6: got smothered in Tampa, like they need a J. 843 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 4: Brown. 844 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 6: Without him, they are definitely not elite in the NFC. 845 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 6: I don't even know that they are eleven win team 846 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 6: without maybe not even ten. He is that significant to them. 847 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 6: And look what happened when he left Tennessee. They fell 848 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 6: off a cliff. 849 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: Tennessee didn't have any Saquon Barkley, they didn't have Jalen Hurts, 850 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: they didn't have that offensive line, a J. Brown, they 851 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: didn't have Devonte Smith, our three Tom Brady. 852 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 4: That