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Speaker 1: I'm shocked at basketball hasn't become the number one sport.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, were more recognizable. I mean, are we

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Speaker 1: just more influential?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, James Harden has never come close to

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Speaker 2: doing anything that dominant when it mattered the most.

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Speaker 1: Where I hit a shine and I did this to Brandy.

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Speaker 1: I did his signature things that her kind of like

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Speaker 1: raise the temperature. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I had my worst games was in San Antonio. After

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Speaker 4: Antonio, big protections need to be banned forever.

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Speaker 5: Who would you want on your team?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the better question. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: say who's the better player. Maybe Harden did more offensively

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Speaker 1: because he let the league in steal I mean an

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Speaker 1: assistant scoring, and Wade didn't do all that.

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Speaker 5: Who do you want to play with? Who do you

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Speaker 5: want to win with?

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Speaker 6: I think it's more nostalgia for most people why they

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Speaker 6: have the complaints.

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Speaker 3: They grew up on a.

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Speaker 6: Certain thing, They remember things a certain way, and the

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Speaker 6: nostalgia is what they're like, Oh, I wish we had

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Speaker 6: more of that back, or we want to see more

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the latest edition of

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Speaker 2: No Files Given, presented by DraftKings. I'm big wise as always,

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by NBA legends and champions, Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 4: Danny Green. We got a dope show in store for

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Speaker 2: code NFG at sign out. Let's stand right on business

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Speaker 2: man and get into the state of the NBA. Just

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Speaker 2: there's always a lot of discourse around what the NBA

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Speaker 2: is getting right, what they're not as good at anymore.

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Speaker 4: Oh we miss Jordan, all the new players, there's on

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Speaker 4: too many things.

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Speaker 2: There's always it feels like there's always some type of

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Speaker 4: Suh sports culture.

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Speaker 2: But despite that, and you know, people talk about the narrative,

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Speaker 2: the NBA is finished and over the years they had

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Speaker 2: been an NBA ratings decline, but the TV ratings this

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Speaker 2: year are higher than they've been in a while, especially

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Speaker 2: considering the post pandemic NBA. Where like the ratings VERG

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Speaker 2: is generally down across sports across the board, the NBA

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Speaker 2: no different, but they've definitely bounced back.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: NBA is like incredible as a social media product. Seventy

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Speaker 2: four percent of the most followed athletes are basketball players.

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Speaker 2: NBA has like ninety million followers on Instagram compared to

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Speaker 2: the MLB, which has thirteen uh forty six million versus

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Speaker 2: twelve million on acts, twenty four million versus seven million

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Speaker 2: on YouTube, et cetera. They're just a more internet heavy league.

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Speaker 4: Than MLB is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know there's been a lot of back

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Speaker 2: this online, so people were saying that baseball had over

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Speaker 2: reovertaken basketball as being the biggest sport outside of football

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Speaker 2: because of the Monster World Series and the numbers that

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Speaker 2: that World Series did. Do you guys think that the

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Speaker 2: NBA is still a bigger sport than baseball?

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Speaker 5: Right now?

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Speaker 4: We know football is king, No, you can't touch football.

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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

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Speaker 2: That's our biggest sport by field, for sure. But do

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Speaker 2: you think the NBA is still the second biggest?

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Speaker 3: I think so, you know, you hear all the again.

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Speaker 6: I think it's more nostalgia for most people why they

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Speaker 3: They grew up on a certain thing, they remember things

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Speaker 6: And the nostalgia is what they're like, Oh, I wish

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Speaker 6: see more of it. But I mean today's game people

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Speaker 6: March madness, people are watching that. Playoffs are come in

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Speaker 6: playing games Like. There's different things Cup games, like the

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Speaker 6: integrating into the new league that are getting people more

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Speaker 6: So people are tuning in and they're seeing some some

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Speaker 6: Sure shit he can do, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: and Castle and all those guys, so, like, he still

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Speaker 6: So yeah, the NBA still has some unicorns that people

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Speaker 4: Gotch you what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, besides, there's a sport of basketball.

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Speaker 1: We have more entertaining people. We have more influential people.

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Speaker 1: You know, like when you see Steph doing this.

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Speaker 5: Part, like you see that around the world and it

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Speaker 1: You know, so like it's just like people gravitate to her.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked a basketball hasn't become the number one sport.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, we're more recognizable. I mean, we're just

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Speaker 1: just it just is what it is. I mean, think

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Speaker 3: First to shut down, first open back.

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Speaker 5: It was the first league to open up.

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Speaker 1: And then they saw how we did it and and

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Speaker 5: So of course.

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Speaker 1: Basketball is taking over baseball. I mean I love baseball,

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Speaker 1: I love what the I love the Dodgers. But outside

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Speaker 4: Right, I think there's a couple of things going on.

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Speaker 2: I think baseball is having an incredible moment, you know,

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Speaker 2: because the most compelling teams are huge markets in New

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Speaker 2: most like the best teams in the sport right now,

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Speaker 2: right yeah, philadelph and the biggest stars exactly are in

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Speaker 3: And it was good to have Toronto like another for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, And and like that World Series went seven games

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Speaker 4: Was not the case.

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Speaker 2: I think what's happening in baseball is very detructive for

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Speaker 2: were complaining about baseball, the actual game in ways that

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Speaker 2: in the sense that they went and sped up the

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Speaker 2: which again reminds me of the NBA. They kept spamming

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Speaker 2: taking that out. You're not allowed to use that strategy

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Speaker 2: Baseball actually did the work of making their on field

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Speaker 2: that they fixed their game, the stars and the interest

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Speaker 2: could coalesce around an incredible on court product. I think

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Speaker 2: the NBA needs to take lessons from Baseball. And it's

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Speaker 2: just like, Yo, nobody want to watch all this faubating

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Speaker 2: on court stuff sorted out, which I don't think is impossible,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's on Adam to do it, and

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Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, and I'm with you. If they fix.

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Speaker 6: The fabating well said the free throw thing, try to

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, the fucking challenges well and just the tanking.

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Speaker 6: So the tanking and then the speeding up the game

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Speaker 6: you know, the I don't know this is a good thing,

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Speaker 4: The last team. Yeah, I love that, you know what

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Speaker 6: And now some guys may not like free like affects

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Speaker 2: So Paul, I want to ask you about this because

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Speaker 2: Fans want to see more scoring than I distinctly remember

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Speaker 2: and five, bro half these games finished in the seventies

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Speaker 2: think they need to do that because you experienced them

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Speaker 5: We played well.

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Speaker 1: We played the Lakers in twenty ten finals, and I

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Speaker 5: Nobody could.

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Speaker 1: It was just like so hard to score, and just

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Speaker 4: You just score because you felt like you that much closer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that made it exciting to me.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Danny, I don't I don't want to go

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Speaker 3: I need to go that far, happy meeting.

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Speaker 2: But the idea that a team could just roll out

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Speaker 3: Five, Yeah, we need to find ninety score like.

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Speaker 4: Seventy nine eighty three scoring the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: Bro, that's going to be an NBA Finals game this

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like it's closer to the halftime scores like sixty

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Speaker 2: Like teams routinely get into the eighties and seventies at

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get out of this half, but I'll get in.

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Speaker 2: The forty Yeah, you know what I mean, Whereas a

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Speaker 4: So I do think Adam and them.

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Speaker 2: we know it's more easy to score now because we

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Speaker 4: Of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can see that teams and scoring all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: When I think they only ended up with like a hundred,

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Speaker 4: It couldn't have been more than like one twenty.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they had that much, you know what

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Speaker 2: So that's what That's the only thing I would say

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Speaker 4: It's popularity.

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Speaker 2: I think in recent years, for sure, the highest rated

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think the league is fine.

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Speaker 4: I want to know, do you guys?

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Speaker 2: I know what I think, But I wonder if you

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Speaker 1: I think Adam is always trying to do what's best

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Speaker 1: whatever that may be. I think he's always open to listening.

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Speaker 1: You know, That's one thing I know about Adam, just

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Speaker 1: always he'll always have an open door policy actually for

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Speaker 6: Hey, I think Adam is doing what he's supposed to.

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Speaker 6: I think he's standing on business bro when it comes

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Speaker 6: to certain things. Sure, and when it comes to this

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Speaker 6: tanking thing, I've heard.

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Speaker 4: Some the proposers that they gave to the I heard.

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Speaker 6: Some solutions, and I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: people saying, like, you know, the sheriff is very lenient

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Speaker 6: I'm cool with that, you know what I'm saying, Like

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Speaker 3: Up for the challenge enough for the task.

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Speaker 6: Again, it's a few you know, I want to say minor,

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Speaker 6: happy medium, you know. Like and I think there's something

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Speaker 6: does every game, every game.

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Speaker 3: And every possession.

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Speaker 6: So it's like, yo, if we have games where like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I shared you guys' confidence in Adam.

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Speaker 2: I think Adam has proven himself to be incredible at

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Speaker 2: he's number one job. He's gone out, He's gotten the league,

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Speaker 4: He went out and got like he's just a genius

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Speaker 2: Couple people like, oh, this shit is stupid, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Fuck that we got the emirates to pay for it.

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Speaker 2: So now everybody got some extra checks. And then you

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Speaker 2: I don't think he has the best instincts for it.

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Speaker 6: Sure, but that's why I think he needs a lean on,

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Speaker 6: So we'll see, cause like.

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Speaker 2: The owners, he obviously he works for the owners. And

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Speaker 4: Well, you can't argue with the bottom line, Like you can't.

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Speaker 2: Argue with you know, some the level of player that

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, I can run down some of

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Speaker 4: So that means more people.

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Speaker 2: it makes your odds less likely, so it's less stuff

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Speaker 4: Some other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two teams is part of the lottery, you know,

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Speaker 4: As part of the lottery.

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Speaker 2: And then you know some other stuff like teams with

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Speaker 2: to further disincentivise it to be like, yo, there's nothing's

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Speaker 4: So stop with the bullshit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, flat flatting odds for the bottom teams basically, yes,

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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 6: I'm not against it, man, We're trying something like something

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Speaker 4: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: I think something needs to be done, Like maybe you

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Speaker 1: change it up to like the player the incentives on

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. What if they did that

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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing though, But the players aren't the

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Speaker 4: Team's taking them out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's true that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: They're like, they're just like, we need that. Fuck that.

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Speaker 2: Whereas if there was no protection on it and it

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Speaker 4: Done this year. So I do think pick protections need

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of teams are just like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Fuck that, let's get rid of that.

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Speaker 3: If you want to pick or you.

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Speaker 4: Don't, either you're giving it up or you don't.

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Speaker 2: This whole halfway where I get to like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Like I think that's bullshit.

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Speaker 2: we've seen this year I think would help.

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Speaker 4: I just I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm somebody would just like to see the system be

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Speaker 2: cooked just as it is.

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Speaker 4: And I know people are like.

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Speaker 2: Well, what if good teams get good young players. I'm like, bruh,

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Speaker 2: okase got me draft picks right now? Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 2: people was rooting for the Clippers to be trashed earlier,

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Speaker 2: you know earlier.

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Speaker 4: So okay, see you get a top five pick. I

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Speaker 4: think it's great when OKZ does it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, bro, Yeah, there's gonna be years where

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Speaker 2: a good team gets a gets a good young player.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you're worth your salt

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Speaker 2: in scouting and figure out who the best players are

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Speaker 2: and beaten guys on the margins.

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Speaker 4: You should be able to do that. Any last words,

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Speaker 4: on this ball.

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Speaker 5: You gotta just sit back and wait and see what

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Speaker 5: they do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a permanent solution. Truthfully, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you come up, they're gonna figure out.

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Speaker 4: That good young piece is very valid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just too valuable. So it's like it's tough.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough sen That's probably an ongoing thing.

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Speaker 2: Keep but this is my thing that I wonder guys,

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Speaker 2: another thing that I wanted to like. This is why

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Speaker 2: I like have my issues with Adam and why sometimes

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Speaker 2: I feel like we took David Stern for granted.

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Speaker 4: I thought back to the James Harden situation with Daryl Morey,

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Speaker 4: where it was clearly.

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Speaker 2: Understanding, like the rules dictate that I can't pay you yet,

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Speaker 2: but I'm telling you, like force your way over here.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna extend you. Maury ends up niggling on the deal.

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Speaker 2: But like we know the league operates on these handshake agreements.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why Adam can't get these people in

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Speaker 2: a room. And James Harden went on a war path

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Speaker 2: because he's like bro our entire league operates on these

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Speaker 2: handshake deals where it's like.

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Speaker 4: We don't put it on paper, but like wait.

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Speaker 6: When you try, and then he could have sign an

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Speaker 6: extension in Brooklyn for a while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like what I'm saying is we know that these handshake

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Speaker 2: agreements happen all the time. Why can't Adam get a

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Speaker 2: handshape agreement from the teams to be like we get it,

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Speaker 2: you all want to win, but don't embarrass us.

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Speaker 4: Does he not have the cache to do that?

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Speaker 3: Doesn't look like it?

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Speaker 2: at you guys, the red hot Eastern Conference ready Boston

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Speaker 2: Celtics versus the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 4: Who do you think of win this game? Paul and why?

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Speaker 1: Well, Celtics. They're coming off some big emotional wins. Brown

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Speaker 1: is playing like the MVP towards the end of this season,

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Speaker 1: beating up on the OKC thunder who had a twelve

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Speaker 1: game stretch of wins. I just think they continue to,

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Speaker 1: you know, carry this momentum into the playoffs and they

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Speaker 1: get the Heat.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I think I think this is not

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Speaker 6: gonna be a close game. Watching Miami other night playing

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Speaker 6: against Indiana. I'm not saying, like you based off one game,

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Speaker 6: because anything can happen. Yeah, but you know, Indiana had

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Speaker 6: a lot of the others in there getting some buckets,

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Speaker 6: having a lot of faith in their defense as of

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Speaker 6: right now. So I see Boston getting this one pretty

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Speaker 6: handedly and pretty much all those those guys, whatever the

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Speaker 6: overs are, I'm probably gonna take.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Celtics seem to have their eyes on the prize. It's

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Speaker 2: not just the OKC game. They've continued their winning ways afterwards,

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, I think they're gonna beat them pretty handily.

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Speaker 2: Bam out of Baio. Do you think he goes over

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Speaker 2: under eight rebounds.

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Speaker 6: I think it's over eighty rebounds over eight rebounds, Paul Bam.

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Speaker 1: Bam like he should be a ten rebound a night

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Speaker 1: guy when his athleticism and then how hard he plays,

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Speaker 1: but they shoot so many threes.

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Speaker 5: I'm going with the under.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over for BAM's rebounds just because Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brown over under twenty eight points.

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Speaker 1: Paul, back to you, Chalon's been on a tear. I

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Speaker 1: think he goes over without a doubt. I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna finish off the season strong and create some doubt

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Speaker 1: on that MVP Award choice.

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Speaker 6: The only thing that stopping him is then blowing them out.

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Speaker 6: So this could be an early seat game for him.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but if it's not, I'm going with over.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with the over.

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Speaker 5: The Celtics are currently doing what they need to do.

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Speaker 4: Give me, give me the under on this. Just you know,

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Speaker 4: I thought about it a game.

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Speaker 2: Not that he doesn't dominate, but he finds ways to

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Speaker 2: get his other guys involved. Jason Tatum over under twenty

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Speaker 2: one points, still coming back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he They have a thing against Miami,

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Speaker 6: regardless who's there.

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Speaker 3: They don't like Miami. So I'm gonna go to over

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Speaker 3: for both of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to Overtatum the last. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: put up a couple string of twenty one point games

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Speaker 1: one versus what is that? Okay, See he had twenty

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Speaker 1: one and then he'll put it. He put up twenty

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Speaker 1: one over Charlotte. Yeah, over Charlotte putting up over twenty points.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going with over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, give me the over as well, Jason Tatum round

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Speaker 2: and back in the shape. Tyler Hero over under twenty

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Speaker 2: four points.

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Speaker 6: If everybody's playing, I'm gonna say under because I feel like,

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Speaker 6: you know, gets good amount of shots, like if Norman

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Speaker 6: Norman Powell is sitting out, he might get more attempts.

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Speaker 6: But uh yeah, I'm probably gonna go for the under

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Speaker 6: with this one.

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Speaker 2: Uh give me Tyler herroll over. I just think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna get some buckets this game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Tyler Hero for the over.

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Speaker 2: Pel Larson our last our last pick of the night,

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Speaker 2: over under two threes in this.

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Speaker 3: Game, I'm gonna go over, go over.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he makes three threes this game.

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Speaker 5: Oh he's been hooping. Yeah, yeah, I'll take that over.

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Speaker 4: Give me the under. Maybe maybe the guys just blanking

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Speaker 4: him this game. Who knows. I like the idea.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: d Wade have been going back and forth online because

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Speaker 2: player than d Wade.

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Speaker 4: This prompted Way to respond.

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Speaker 2: Essentially saying that he doesn't want to hear you speak

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Speaker 2: on who is better out of two top seventy five

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Speaker 3: But damn, but when we get into d Wade, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not qualified, bro.

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Speaker 2: According to Day anyway, who do you think was better

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Speaker 2: d Wade or James Harden?

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Speaker 6: I mean it's all opinion based, right, I mean, if

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Speaker 6: you go I think they're both very skilled. I think

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Speaker 6: James was more of an offensively skilled player, but all

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Speaker 6: around player, and I guess competitor. If you go by

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Speaker 6: the resume, like d Wade, I think was the better,

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Speaker 6: like he had more impact on winning. And again you

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Speaker 6: are your definition of like a players that your impact

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Speaker 6: on winning. Yeah, so based on your definition, I would

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Speaker 6: say d Waight. But if I had to go like

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Speaker 6: skill or you know, who was a better shooter handler?

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Speaker 6: You know is a system. D Way was unbelievably explosive, flash,

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Speaker 6: athletic as hell, and played both sides of the floor.

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Speaker 6: But the biggest thing, the difference is the winning. To

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Speaker 6: me and d Wade, I think impacted winning more in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs anyway than James did.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is I mean, this is a tougher question

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Speaker 1: than like, ye people like because I think the people

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Speaker 1: automatic are going to say, see the way three championships.

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Speaker 5: You guys got to remember Harden had a stretch.

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Speaker 1: He was in the MVP conversation for a good five

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Speaker 1: year stretch, finishing second or third in the m v

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Speaker 1: P and you know at his peak.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't remember Way.

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Speaker 1: You know doing that that many times, maybe a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. No, he doesn't have any MVP. Yes he

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Speaker 1: was one. He won an MVP and was running up

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Speaker 1: a few times. But like, clearly, the best offensive player

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Speaker 1: is clearly James Harden.

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Speaker 5: Like that clears. I mean, he's one of.

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Speaker 1: The great offensive He's scoring titles numbers crazy now, defensively

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Speaker 1: competitive spirit.

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Speaker 5: Way, who's a better leader?

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Speaker 1: I don't know in a locker room, but if I

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Speaker 1: had to assume, I would say, Way, who would you

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Speaker 1: want on your team? I think that's the better question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could say who's the better player? Maybe

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Speaker 1: Harden did more offensively because he let the league still,

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Speaker 1: I mean an assistant scoring, and Wade didn't do all that.

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Speaker 1: Who do you want to play with? Who do you

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Speaker 1: want to win with? And I go with the guy

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Speaker 1: who's a proven winner, So I have to pick Wade.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm a d Wad guy.

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Speaker 2: It's not particularly even that hard of a decision for me,

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Speaker 2: because I think the question is like Harden's longevity and

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Speaker 2: his excellence over the course of like again just being

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Speaker 2: a one man offense and a one man fifty win

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Speaker 2: season for as long as he was in Houston versus

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Speaker 2: d Wade, Like you know, he had basically a six

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Speaker 2: seven year period basically from two thousand and six to

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Speaker 2: like twenty and twelve where he was just an incredible

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Speaker 2: player versus what's hard has just been doing for even

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Speaker 2: right now at his age to be doing what he's doing,

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Speaker 2: Held should have probably been an All Star this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just think d Wade and six in the finals

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Speaker 2: in that whole playoff run, James Harden has never come

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Speaker 2: close to doing anything that dominant when it mattered.

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Speaker 4: The most, Like, he's never come close to that.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that I think gets overshadowed about d Wade

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Speaker 2: is I think in the twenty eleven finals when Miami

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Speaker 2: blew it to to Dallas, which I'll just be real,

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Speaker 2: bron fucking underachieved and that's why they lost that finals.

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Speaker 4: Is not because d Wade wasn't killing, because he was

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Speaker 4: absolutely hooping.

665
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: He was their best player in the finals. He was

666
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: their best players in many in many parts of the

667
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: Boston Series and the Bulls Series, the you know, the

668
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: conference semis and the conference finals.

669
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: I just think in.

670
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, twenty twelve when they won, he was still

671
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: pretty dominant player.

672
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: I think by thirteen he you know, he was more

673
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: manageable guy.

674
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was up and down, but he had he

675
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: had moments where he showed us too.

676
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: In big in big moments, I just think man in

677
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: the biggest moments, d Wade was fearless and just better

678
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: than his normal level when the stakes got the highest.

679
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: So to me, I'm a I'm a d Wade guy.

680
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: The other part of the question, Paul, which you know,

681
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: because you're you're in you're part of the media now

682
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: you're also a former player, Hall of Famer champion.

683
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: And could be in. You said you're in the room.

684
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in the room. You've you've been in battles

685
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: with d Wad.

686
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: What do you feel about his take that Pat bad

687
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: who basically was not a player of that caliber.

688
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: You know, you and d Wade both side max contracts.

689
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: In your life, right like been faces of franchises, you know,

690
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: going into Hall of Fame for your respective franchises that

691
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: you came came up with.

692
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 5: So d Wade's response was he doesn't want to hear that.

693
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: Enough to speak on d Wade's caliber in the room

694
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: as a hooper, he's not in the room.

695
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: I kind of feel that.

696
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: It's just a general you know.

697
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: I used to tell KG this in the game because

698
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, teams to talk ship to us or whatever.

699
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: And then if it wasn't a player that wasn't on

700
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: this level, I be like, we don't talk to guys

701
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, like saving when we

702
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: when were going into some real deal, you know, when

703
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: the chiefs are stepping up talking, you know, then we

704
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: stand up to them, you know. And so I mean,

705
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: I don't think Way should get into a verbal war

706
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: or internet war with uh pap Bev, you know, Pat

707
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: Bev is gonna say some things, uh in this podcast

708
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: that are gonna be sometimes controversial.

709
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just coming off saying that David.

710
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: Lillard wasn't a Hall of Favor and we all know

711
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: that David's all we know, we know what's going on.

712
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: I would have left it alone.

713
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you agree that you shouldn't have a right?

714
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: No? No, So what he's saying, what are you saying that? No,

715
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: he's not trying to say the way you're putting in

716
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: his crean?

717
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: You don't color jackets? Did the NBA give their Hall

718
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: of famers?

719
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: Is it a cream an orange shape?

720
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: The Hall of Fame jacket is orange orange.

721
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: You don't have orange.

722
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: I definitely don't have orange jacket.

723
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: You're not in the room.

724
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: Apparently I'm with I'm like, I'm on both sides. I'm

725
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: with Pee on this.

726
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 6: Liked White doesn't need to respond to that, you know

727
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But any player can have an opinion

728
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 6: on something like this. Barbershop talk. Everybody, no fuckers on

729
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 6: the street have an opinion. We're just on a platform

730
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 6: and people it's getting traction because Pat actually was somebody

731
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, like or he is to somebody,

732
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: So you know, people listen to his opinion and think

733
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 6: it holds water. But again, people that know the game

734
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 6: and see the game, they can say that and say

735
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 6: they can disagree with Pat Bev. I don't think Pat

736
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 6: Bev was taking shots at d Wade. I think he's

737
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 6: more so advocating for James Harden, letting people know how

738
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 6: good James was in his prime and like how especially is.

739
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 5: I mean statistically hard and it is probably going to

740
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 5: be better.

741
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 4: Better status.

742
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's what he's talking about. Like statistics

743
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: if you throw out the rings and and you just say,

744
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: this is the statistics if you've never seen hard and play,

745
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and if you've never seen Way play and you just

746
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: looked at the like the number is like, oh, you

747
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: go through history one hundred years from now, this guy

748
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: is pretty good. E's definitely better than him. But if

749
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you didn't see him, you would different.

750
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: I think d Wade because it feels like this is

751
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: a kind of player on player in fighting kind of thing,

752
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: because I think if you ask d Wade called him

753
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: up and was just like, well, some of the best

754
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: talent evaluates who's literally the guys whose job it is

755
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: like a Darryl Mory or Sam Presty or you know,

756
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: a Brad Stevens. Like these guys weren't even CHSA level players.

757
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 6: Even the people that's probably voting or putting out the

758
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 6: Sports Illustrated Top one hundred whatever.

759
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: These guys are not in the same planet of player

760
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: of any of you guys. You know, that doesn't mean

761
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: they don't have an eye for who the game is

762
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: good and who is not right. And so I think

763
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: d Wade understands that as a confer for sure and

764
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't dispute that. But I think Pat Bev a type

765
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: of guy that he's played against, and yeah.

766
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think they have some history

767
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 6: and he thinks Pat Bev is kind of poking disrespectful.

768
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 6: So that's another why I'm with like certain guys should

769
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: not be We don't have the the room to like

770
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 6: fuck with those guys, know what I'm saying, Like, you

771
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 6: gotta know where your space is, where you're.

772
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: Laying is, you know what I'm saying.

773
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 6: Guys, You could go ahead s about your name if

774
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 6: you want to, but I feel like, you know, you

775
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: set yourself up for embarrassment.

776
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: Can you remember it? And I don't mean to put

777
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: you on a sport spot, Paul.

778
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: And we know that you used to like to talk

779
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: to her games with like a guy, like a guy

780
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: that might try to get something going against you in

781
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: terms of chatting, and you were just like, WHOA, come on, bro.

782
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Like chill out, not you. There's been a bunch of

783
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: those guys. I just you know, I ain't gonna call

784
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: them up, but I'll be like you, I know you you.

785
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: Like a Quentin Richardson who you guys had an on

786
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 4: court rivalry.

787
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: But Quin Riches, as good as he was, he was

788
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: no you know those matchups seriously, you KNOWQ.

789
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Me and Q go so far back to when he

790
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: was with the Clippers and stuff. And I think what

791
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: really fueled it was our like pick up games in

792
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, yeah, off season stuff. But then I think

793
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: something that really fueled it. I remember we was playing

794
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Phoenix and at the time, I think he was either

795
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: married or dating Brandy or something. And something happened to

796
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: where I hit a shot and I did this to Brandy,

797
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: I did his signature things like I kind of like,

798
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of like raised the temperature, you know,

799
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: So you know, really from that point it's just been

800
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: like when me and him play, it's just like tooth

801
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: and nails and its physical and okay, sotive.

802
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: Don't watch this and kill two decades.

803
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: This was so long ago.

804
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: There was more to that. Pat Bev response to okay.

805
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: Pat Beverly responded to d Wade saying Beverly doesn't do

806
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: anything better than him on a basketball court, and that

807
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: Beverly still couldn't stop him when he got old, damn

808
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 2: flash Rent free, truth is truth, and.

809
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: You was I shot the three way better than you.

810
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: Our career three point peres weren't even close.

811
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: D Wade shot a Measley twenty nine point three percent

812
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: from three, That shot thirty seven three hit seven record

813
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: against you.

814
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: Also love gang.

815
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: A seven and three against damn.

816
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: He said, I'll beat you, and I shot better.

817
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: I shot better than yeah against you.

818
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 5: I love that is good at this trolling thing.

819
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: I love it.

820
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: I will say that he's good at this trolling hat

821
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: tip to that troll again.

822
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: That's why, like why, yeah, now you're only giving them more.

823
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: And now you're playing on his turf control turn right,

824
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: you don't have.

825
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 6: That much and you're giving you're giving his conversation more

826
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 6: light Now people. You know what I'm saying, So let

827
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 6: him again, it's an opinion. He could have his opinion,

828
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 6: but d don't need to.

829
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: I love it all right, guys, I want to get

830
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: into some more sort of again. This gets back to

831
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: our earlier conversation about the sort of state of the league,

832
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: and there's been just a ton of chatter about the

833
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: sixty five game rule.

834
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 4: An example that people are pointing out on the internet.

835
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Is that as a March of twenty twenty six, Lebron

836
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: James that played almost one hundred more minutes this season

837
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: and Wenby that's equivalent to two whole games, yet he's

838
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: not eligible for postseason awards.

839
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: Actually, a hundred minutes is like three games.

840
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: Thirty three minutes a games that started level minutes. Okay,

841
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: so realistically that's almost three games more than Wemby had.

842
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: Yet Lebron is ineligible and Wemby is.

843
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: Do you think that should be a tweak made to

844
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: acknowledge minutes played?

845
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why, Danny.

846
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: So you guys will recall when Wemby came back, he

847
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: was coming off for the bench and he was playing

848
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: like the twenty twenty two minutes as cousin.

849
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: In the rule book, in order for a game.

850
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: To count towards your tally, you have to play more

851
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: than twenty minutes in that game. So if you play

852
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: the game and played fifty five minutes, fifteen minutes doesn't

853
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: count towards your game tally for the postseason awards.

854
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's why that sixty right now? Sixty one right?

855
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: And so when when Wemby came back, if you guys

856
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: will recall with haller Burton when he was dragging his

857
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: leg a season or two will go, just coming back prematurely,

858
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: just so you could stay the helm within the yeah,

859
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: within that threshold.

860
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 4: Some people are saying we should take minutes into account.

861
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: Well, you should multiply the You say, how many minutes

862
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: do you have to play to be eligible?

863
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: Twenty?

864
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: So you should multiply twenty times sixty five and that

865
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: number which is probably like twenty six Wait, what is that?

866
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: Sixty five? Ue? Thirty thirty twenty six hundred minutes? Yeah,

867
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 1: so to me, twenty six hundred minutes should qualify you for.

868
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 6: To get to that point, I think thirteen hundred, thirteen hundred, yeah,

869
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 6: for twenty minutes time sixty five?

870
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 5: Oh thirteen Hundy, I did it twice.

872
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and again, I think the minute stresshold

873
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: should be thirty times sixty five because thirty is a

874
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: good approximation.

875
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: I'm with you of starter level minutes.

876
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: And you know, if you play some games two thousand time,

877
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: guys are gonna play forty four minutes, forty eight minutes

878
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: to the ot.

879
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: It's like nineteen games, you end up with nineteen hundred

880
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: minutes by the end of the season.

881
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: You're saying, yeah, those extra minutes should count towards you.

882
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: Exactly, you missed a few games because like a guy

883
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: plays two games at forty four minutes a game, that's

884
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: eighty eight minutes.

885
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot of fucking that's.

886
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: Four games that Wemby came back and was doing his

887
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: minutes restriction.

888
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm what you mean. I mean, I like, I'm

889
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: with that.

890
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 6: I mean anything those help with the grace period of

891
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: guys being close like that. I'm saying there should be

892
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 6: some type of little leeway when it comes to sixty five,

893
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 6: whether it's sixty two, sixty three, you know.

894
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 3: That type of thing.

895
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: As long as you get the nineteen hundred minutes that

896
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: I think you should be eligible or you said nineteen hundred,

897
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 6: that's thirty right, he said the twenty is so we

898
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: say somewhere in the middle, right, twenty five times sixty

899
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 6: five at sixteen hundred, so you get seventeen hundred minutes

900
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: sixty it's sixteen to twenty five. But if you get

901
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 6: seventeen hundred minutes, I'm cool with that.

902
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: You should be eligible. Yeah, you know what I mean.

903
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: And the thing so, because I've been doing this job

904
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: long enough and I have enough homies in the league

905
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: who actually vote on this stuff, I know for a fact.

906
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: They take the minutes played into account.

907
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: Where it's like, Bro, if he's doing this on a

908
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: per minute basis.

909
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, at thirty four minutes a game, you know what

910
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: I'm saying, even though he's missed.

911
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's missed a few eighteen that actual us contributed.

912
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to take that into account.

913
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: But with you know, the freaking hammer meat nail approach

914
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: that that we've taken to this, it doesn't account for it.

915
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: And I like that Chris put this graphic up to

916
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: show it in the stark detail. It's like lebron has

917
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, to the point where this graphic was made

918
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: Lebron that currently played seventeen hundred and eighty minutes at

919
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: age forty one, and Victor had played sixteen hundred and

920
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: ninety four minutes at age twenty two.

921
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: One's an MVP front runner, the other ones in eligible

922
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: for awards.

923
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: Wow, I wouldn't be surprised if a Laker fan came

924
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: up with that graphic.

925
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: They're really good at coming up.

926
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Lakers are getting crew, so I wouldn't be surprised by that.

927
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: Well, are we gonna? Let's do like.

928
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: And not do the caves? Okay, to the next episode. Okay, okay,

929
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: let me see g league?

930
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: How you be flying so much?

931
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: And sleep good? Can we get Danny versus Paul? Three

932
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: point contest? Which NBA arena has the tightest rooms? Do

933
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 4: you guys remember not being able to shoot at certain places?

934
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: I had difficulty in some places?

935
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? Certain places?

936
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, let's do that. This one.

937
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 5: Won that? Yeah?

938
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: I guess that would it gave y'all the edge or whatever?

939
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: Finals?

940
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: They say, is the game that you look back that

941
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: y'all lost outside of Game seven that you're like, man,

942
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: we could have got.

943
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 4: That one.

944
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 5: In the finals. Yeah, game I think it was Game three? Oh,

945
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 5: my god, or in the same finals.

946
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: I feel like if we won game three, we would

947
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: have won, because we beat l A in game two.

948
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 5: Go back home for three.

949
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: Games, and I think we lost game three and Derek

950
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: Fisher just annihilated us.

951
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 5: Okay, listen to god. I can't remember it was game

952
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 5: three or four, but they yeah, it was game three.

953
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: All right, folks. Let's get into a couple of fan questions. Man,

954
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: I really like this one from n E p. Seven

955
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: to one three, which NBA Arena has the tightest rims.

956
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: So do you guys remember specific places that you always

957
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: had trouble splashing jump shots?

958
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: What comes to mind immediately because I see you shaking

959
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: your head.

960
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 6: Danny, there was a couple of places it might have been,

961
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 6: just because it was like it happened to be the

962
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 6: situation like you always play in Miami, the Orlando. Okay,

963
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 6: every time we got to Orlando, you just.

964
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: What the.

965
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, So like one of those

966
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 6: type scenarios and always like maybe in Utahs like what

967
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 6: the like just the weird the air, like the air

968
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 6: might be a little different too. But I'll tell you

969
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 6: the hardest place for me to shoot in and I

970
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 6: said this once before in another pod.

971
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: I had my worst games was in San Antonio. After

972
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: I left San Antonio.

973
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 6: You couldn't shoot, could make a damn But warm ups

974
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 6: I felt great. The rims was it was home and

975
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 6: the warm up.

976
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: It's so funny because the game trying to who doesn't

977
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: it traded me?

978
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: You motherfuckers ain't want me.

979
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 6: Even if they didn't trade your left you don't want

980
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 6: to have a bad out and gets a team.

981
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: You so like, and you feel good at warm ups.

982
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 6: I'm saying, I know these rooms well what I'm saying,

983
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 6: but the game come like, god, damn it, she won't

984
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 6: d don't think I had a good game in that

985
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 6: building sense.

986
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

987
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 5: Remember it was a couple of places. One was like Chicago.

988
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Man, it was just and I and I and I

989
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: just remember every time I would be a warm ups

990
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: when I was shooting my my jumpers, my especially the three.

991
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: You know you look up and you shoot the three,

992
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I felt like there was always the lights were too bright,

993
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: like like it was always like I was looking directly

994
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: into li.

995
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: I was just like because you watched you look at

996
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: the ball and looking at the.

997
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: Ball, and the light always got in my eyes. And

998
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: that's why I like the darker arenas I play well

999
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: man like, like the garden Madison Square gard like that.

1000
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 5: Chicago was too wide and too light, too much light.

1001
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: It was just like that was one that also Sacramento

1002
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference.

1003
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: I don't know what it was.

1004
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the cow bells, cow bells,

1005
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: or like, what is this farm town? I can't make

1006
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: a shot this farming town, Like Jesus, is there.

1007
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: A place that easy?

1008
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: You guys that you felt especially good, even if the

1009
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: percentage didn't.

1010
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 4: Reflect that that you were like, man, I'm gonna make

1011
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: these shops.

1012
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: I felt home in your garden. In the garden, I

1013
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: felt that home there. I felt you know where else

1014
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: I felt that home at in uh East Rutherford, I

1015
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: just felt the old. I felt that home there. I

1016
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: felt that home in the swamp and in the garden.

1017
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 4: Wow, Miami, Miami.

1018
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: I think the weather had something to do with that.

1019
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: He just felt like you.

1020
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense though, because in Orlando.

1021
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: Was probably almost as hot.

1022
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense, But in Miami always felt pretty

1023
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 6: comfortable there.

1024
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: All right. This next question comes from Bleeds.

1025
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: That's funny and the French national team.

1026
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 4: This was for the truth.

1027
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: What game in the twenty ten finals is the game

1028
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: you look back thinking, damn, this game is the one

1029
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: we should have won. Essentially, what game in the twenty

1030
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: ten NBA was NBA Finals was the deciding game for you?

1031
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to go back to Game three. I

1032
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: think it was Game three we lost. I mean, Derek

1033
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: Fisher toward the end just was like people talk about, uh,

1034
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that game Derek Fisher. I just remember

1035
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Derek Fisher just broke our backs toward the end with

1036
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: some just crucial shots and I don't know what, Yeah,

1037
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: he had some crucial shots for them, and you know,

1038
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: he's so underrated I think as a champion guard, you know,

1039
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: not enough it said about the big shots that he

1040
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: hit in all their runs. But yeah, I think game three,

1041
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: because you win when you win, when you go two,

1042
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: three to two, that's what it was. Two at home,

1043
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: three three. So we no, we didn't. We took the

1044
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: second game in LA. So we come to Boston like

1045
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: it's over. We're not going back because we're a great

1046
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: home team.

1047
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 5: We're not. We're not going back to LA. This series

1048
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 5: is over.

1049
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: For to one bucket and to lose the first game

1050
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: back at home. It was like that was devastated. It's

1051
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: de moralizing, and then we wound up winning the next

1052
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: two three, and then uh so it's to l It

1053
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: was three to two. Oh, we went to l A

1054
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: and lost both games.

1055
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Many'll next two in Boston. Yeah, and then game six

1056
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: lost to l A in a blowout classic game.

1057
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: Do you do you think they should have kept it

1058
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: two three two? They did it?

1059
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 5: Well, it's East coast west coast like that travel.

1060
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: Is brutal, especially in one game one game, you know.

1061
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: And I remember in the two thousand and eight finals,

1062
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: I think we played game two on Sunday, and then

1063
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: game three was on two.

1064
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 5: Who stayed in La Damn?

1065
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Like I remember that, And because I remember, like I

1066
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: just didn't have it in game three. I just didn't

1067
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: have it. It was the time. It was the travel

1068
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: in game three, I just didn't have it. That was

1069
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: just like it's just a turnaround time because you're going

1070
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: from east to west time difference and you only get

1071
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: there to night the day before.

1072
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 6: I feel like West East is worse right because like

1073
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 6: you lose the three hours you're going LA to Boston.

1074
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 6: So that's why y'all. Game three for y'all definitely messed

1075
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 6: y'all up.

1076
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: Eastern teams we have in trouble out in West Coast

1077
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: because they're starting.

1078
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: At ten am.

1079
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is different.

1080
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: It's is tough, but that's why people be when they

1081
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: have the Matten games out here. They just have to

1082
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: get to stables that god damn nine o'clock.

1083
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: That's tough.

1084
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: All right, guys, that's our show for today. Make sure

1085
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,440
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1086
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,200
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1087
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1088
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,920
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1089
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1090
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: guys next time. Peace out peace.

1091
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,760
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