1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Top end talent is very important in this en roo 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Kie Sasaki being our number one prospect in the gang 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: is enough to help a farm system really leap. 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Up, all right. So this is a big stat in 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: the front office world these days, and some front offices 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: probably have their own model of this. But this is 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: the public information that we get that you know, Cyrus 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: and some of his friends work on, and it's updated 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: right now on fangrafts that they constantly do tweaks. It's 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: pretty complicated stats put together, but it just helps to 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: tell you how good the stuff is from pitchers in 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. So here's the stuff plus rankings guys 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four. They just finished the list with 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: the tweaks that they made. Garrett Crochet is one, Hunter 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: Green and Corbyn Burns tied for two, and then tied 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: after that our Dylan ce Centerrek Scougel. Then it's Schemes 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Carlos for don Zach Wheeler, Cole Reagan's and Aaron Savali. 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: That's the shaker on the list. 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: What a value. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 4: What a value? 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 5: But I thought when we talked to Chuck Garfuncle, he said, 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 5: Garrett Crochet is the reason why the White Sox stunk 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 5: last year, but he's got the best stuff plus model. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 5: I don't understand. I'm super confused. Hunter Green was having 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 5: a great year at Corbyn Burns obviously sees. 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: We know school boy knows schemes. We know rode On. 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 5: You're right, Aaron Savali came out of nowhere to be 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 5: what tenth on this list? 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: Interesting. 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 5: I'd love to know this is calculated. We need you know, 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 5: Son to explain it to me because it Scott. I 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 5: didn't go to college like Scott, so I'm gonna need it. 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: In Layman's terms, Yeah, that the people who put this 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: together were not getting bottle service in South Beach because 35 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: they were on computers. But those computer nerds need to 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: help us out with this. But it is a big 37 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: deal stat in the analytics in the pitching world. Right, 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: How good is the stuff that you have? 39 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: It's a good indicator. I read about it one time 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: and it is so confusing. It's about extension, perceivable spin 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: and like axis spin and all that stuff goes in 42 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: to me. If you're on this list and you're not 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: getting swings and misses, the Dodgers or the Rays are 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: going to pick you up and they're gonna be like, hey, 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 3: this is why you're not We need to do this more. 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: That's where they get. That's what they get out of this. 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 5: My question is is why have we not come up 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: with some crappy bull crap stat and just been like, hey, 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 5: those are the top ten in this and then people 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 5: Mike start getting paid from it. We need to come 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 5: up with some stat that we can just make up 52 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 5: because some of these things that's just like, oh. 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: But this this is a good stat. 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 5: Our stat won't be our stab won't be made up either. 55 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 5: It'll be a real stat. But we can make it 56 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 5: whatever we want to make it. 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: Good fellas plus plus ft plus mm hmm. 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: Big big day in the Baseball America world. We bring 59 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 2: on JJ Cooper from BA and I host a show 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: with him every week called Hot Sheet on the Baseball 61 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: America channel. You can find that just type NBA Baseball 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: America obviously, so you also get yourself a subscription. This 63 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: is the time of year to do it. Happy team rankings, 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: Farm System rankings day to you, JJ, So give us 65 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: the goods. What's getting all the attention right now? 66 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: And it was posted, I would say the thing is 67 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: getting the most attention is is we have the Dodgers three, 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: and man fans love to hate on the Dodgers right now, 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, geez, you're doing it again. You're getting 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: paid by the Dodgers. Which the funny part about that 71 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: is we haven't had the Dodgers number one in our 72 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: rankings since twenty sixteen, which was Seeger Bellinger Bueler. I 73 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: think we were pretty good on that one. But the 74 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: Red Sox being number one is also very significant. Roban Anthony, 75 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Christian Campbell, Marcelo Meyer. The top of this list for 76 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: the Red Sox is stacked, and that has them at 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: number one, which is the first time we've been ranking 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say we. Alan Simpson on through us here 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: now at Baseball America have been ranking at Baseball America 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: the farm system since nineteen eighty four. First time we've 81 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: ever had the Red Sox number one. Kind of a 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: little bit of a Mayo culpa on that, you know, 83 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: maybe we should have had it with that year that 84 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Muki and all were there. But yeah, the Red Sox 85 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: are number one, the Tigers are number two, and the 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Tigers have never been that high in our farm system 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: rankings ever as well. Actually, It's probably a little bit 88 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: even more significant because the Tigers have rarely been in 89 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: the top ten in our farm system rankings over the years, 90 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: and the Dodgers at three. When we did this for 91 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: the Prospect Handbook, they were ten. They signed Roki Sasaki. 92 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: Since then that moved them up to three, which does 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: tell you the way we do this. 94 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: We try to. 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: Blend actual you know, running up numbers and putting values 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: on players with a little bit of making sure that 97 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: everything seems to match upright. Top end talent is very 98 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: important in this, and Roki Sasaki being our number one 99 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: prospect in the game is enough to help a farm 100 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: system really leap up. 101 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: It's not fair. 102 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 5: It's not fair if you can't have a guy come 103 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 5: over that's pitch for five years or whatever, four years 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 5: in the Japanese League and be the number one prospect. 105 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, JJ, we love you, but that's not fair. 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 5: So really, but I want to dig into that's why 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: the Dodgers went from ten to three is because of 108 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 5: Roki Sazaki, right, that was the big jumper. But I'm 109 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 5: just disappointed the White Sox they're four. I've heard for 110 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 5: a year or two year now that they're supposed to 111 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 5: be the number one farm system. 112 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: So what happened. 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: Ideally, if Colson Montgomery or some of these other guys 114 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: had kind of taken another step forward last year, maybe 115 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: they could be there. But Noah Schultz great, great pitching prospect. 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 1: At the same time, the next time Noah Schultz throws 117 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: five innings in a game will be the first time 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: as a pro. So there's a being top five is 119 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: a big deal for them. I would say they were 120 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: bottom bottom tier not that many years ago. But at 121 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: the same time, if you look at them and say 122 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: compare them, they have a lot of depth now because 123 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: all the trades, but you would like to see a 124 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: little bit more top end ready to make big league 125 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: impact talent than they have. They have some guys who 126 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: are gonna step in, I would say in twenty twenty five, 127 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, But again, the guys like Montgomery, who's 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: still a good prospect but did not have a great 129 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: year last year in tripa A are kind of what 130 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: holds them back from being higher on this list. 131 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: Can you say what you just said again about Noah Schultz? 132 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: What did you just say about him? 133 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 5: He's been in the minor league system for two years now, 134 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 5: over two years. 135 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: What was your quote? 136 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: You just said, I'm not gonna make sure we go 137 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: next time he throws five innings. We're waiting for that 138 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: because he has the. 139 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: First time in his career. What are we doing? You 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: follow this? What are we doing? 141 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 5: They wonder why pitchers can't go deep into games and 142 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 5: they can't go past like one hundred and forty innings. 143 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 5: This guy's been in the minor leagues for over two years. 144 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 5: What is he not going six to seven innings? I 145 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 5: don't just I don't know. 146 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: I would say I feel like that this is something 147 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: that is we're starting to finally see this tack back 148 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to letting guys throw. I remember studying this in twenty eleven, 149 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: looking at when Archie Bradley and Dylan Bundy were the 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: hot young prep pitchers who had just been drafted, and 151 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: that was when the Orioles were doing, Hey, we're just 152 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: gonna let Dylan Bundy throw three innings. I don't care 153 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: if he throws three perfect innings. We're pulling him. And 154 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: they were doing that because they wanted to try to 155 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: help keep him healthy, and then he blew out two 156 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: years later. The MLB study which I know was kind 157 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: of more of a survey, but in talking to experts 158 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: who are studying this, they made the point that there's 159 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: really it's kind of impossible to find any correlation between 160 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: strictly limiting innings at this level and increased health. I mean, 161 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: you look a couple of years ago, well, guys, five 162 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: years ago, five six years ago, now, I remember that 163 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: was that year that the Rangers decided they weren't going 164 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: to have any of their pictures that they drafted. That 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 1: your top pitching prospects pitched that year because they wanted 166 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: to work with them and keep them healthy, and every 167 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: one of them blew out, like I mean, every one 168 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: of them had Tommy John surgery. I do think that 169 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: we're starting to head back towards the idea of if 170 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: you're going to pitch in the big leagues, you need 171 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: to pitch. And that was one of the things I 172 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: really loved about Paul Schemes. Those things made me feel 173 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: good about Paul Schemes. When the Pirates draft of them 174 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: is some people may have looked at it and said, man, 175 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: this guy's throwing one hundred and twenty pitches, he's going 176 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: eight he's going nine innings. He demonstrated he could do 177 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: that and maintain his stuff, which meant when he hit 178 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: the big leagues, it wasn't something where this was a 179 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: shock to the system. This was something he'd already been 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: prepared to do. 181 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: So you're saying they should throw more, not less. And 182 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: in six years, when Paul Schime stays healthy, every organization 183 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: is going to go to everybody has to throw one 184 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: hundred and ten pitches, right JJ. 185 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean I would say one hundred and ten. Maybe 186 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: there maybe some guys who can't, you know. And that's 187 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: why some of the this is where this always gets 188 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: tough to study, right, because some guys are being held 189 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: to limits because that's what the organizational policy is. And 190 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: some guys are being held to strict limits because they're 191 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: being held together with a little bit of duct tape. 192 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: And you know, some you know some some you know 193 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: joint compound or whatever, and there is you know that 194 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: there's a little mix of that. But at the same time, 195 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: it does seem like if you look at you know, 196 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: some organizations are now letting guys pitch a little bit more. 197 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: The Braves are one that kind of comes to mind 198 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: as far as letting their guys pitch. You know, I 199 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: think that we're going to see more organizations go that 200 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: way because they're realizing. I think they're going to realize 201 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: more and more. You can't have guys hit the big 202 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: leagues and then say it's the same way when we 203 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: talk about relievers. I don't understand why any organization would 204 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: ask a relief pitcher to make their first back to 205 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: back appearances in the big leagues. Figure that out in 206 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: high A, figure that out in double A, figure that 207 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: out in triple A. Figure out how you're going to 208 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: be a reliever who carries a big league workload without 209 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: the pressure of being a big big league reliever. And 210 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: that has been something that is it really helpful to 211 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: keep guys healthy all through the miners so that they 212 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: blow out when they try to figure out how to 213 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: do this in the majors. 214 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: Well, JJ, you make the prospect lists. There's no such 215 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: thing as a prospect reliever. 216 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: In the miners. 217 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: They're all starters and then they become relievers. So that's 218 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: part of the reason. But you talk about duct tape 219 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: and gum holding things together. Let's talk about the bottom 220 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: three teams on your list twenty eight, twenty nine and thirty. 221 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: Which of these teams is most surprising the lack of 222 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: depth in their prospect rankings based on past history or 223 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: based on the fact that, like they're normally not at 224 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: this level at this spot in your rankings, I. 225 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Would say the people are most angry. The fans are 226 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: most angry about the Braves being there, and they think 227 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: that we hate the Braves. You know, in our farm 228 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: system rankings, which I will note, we had the Braves 229 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: number one back to back years with the Akunya Alb's 230 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Swanson Riley group and they were top five every year 231 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty one. You know, the 232 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: farm systems thinned out, and part of it is the 233 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: international penalties that they've faced. Part of it is they've 234 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of pitching injuries and they've made some traits. Again, 235 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad necessarily. The Braves have a 236 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: fully locked in line up pretty much with the exception 237 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: of shortstop and maybe well they've signed a guy now 238 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: but one outfield spot long term, and with that being 239 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: the case, they're in decent shape. The one that obviously 240 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: jumps out, I would say, if I'm an Angels fan, 241 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: it's pretty rough to see that you're number thirty. I 242 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: do think that this year. We have years where the 243 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: gap between thirty and twenty five on this list is massive, 244 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: and there are other years where it's more compressed. This 245 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: is a year it's a little more compressed. The Angels 246 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: do have a couple of top hundred prospects, they do 247 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: have some other prospects who aren't that far off of 248 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: the list, But the reality of it is is it 249 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: thins out pretty quick. And you know, the other part 250 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: of this is is that, yeah, if you're an Angels fan, 251 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: you can say, well, if we still had zach Meadow, 252 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: we've had no Shanuel still prospect eligible, the rankings would 253 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: look better, which is one hundred percent true. But at 254 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: the same time, it is also hard to see kind 255 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: of how this is working for the angel So far. 256 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: They're pushing guys really fast, and in the case of that, oh, 257 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: that's been really good. But in the case of Shanuel, 258 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen like yet a payoff 259 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: for pushing a guy so fast. He is holding his 260 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: own in the big leagues, but he's kind of that's 261 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: all we've seen so far. He hasn't taken that next step, 262 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: and the Angels being the angels right now need some 263 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: guys to take some next steps. 264 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: When you made your ranking system and your formula, that 265 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: you made it and then you put it in and 266 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: you put all the teams in, what teams surprised you 267 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: the most? Where it stood out, whether it was somebody 268 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: that ended in the middle that you thought was a 269 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: basement team or somebody you thought was a top level 270 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: team that ended in the middle. 271 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: Somewhere, you know something in there. 272 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna seem weird to say this because there's still 273 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: six but I like the raise system better than that myself. 274 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: And again this is always I did the race system 275 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: for us, so you know those systems that you do 276 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: really well. But if you told me that this system 277 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: ended up being significantly better than where we have it 278 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: ranked right now as the season goes along, when it's 279 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: pressed me at all, because we've used the studies of 280 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: people who've looked at this. You know, we use the 281 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: drive line valuation method kind of as a starting point 282 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: for this, but there's other evaluation studies have gone on 283 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: over the layers kind of make the point you want 284 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: stars right, like if the Royals produced Bobby Witt junior. 285 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: That's huge for the Royals. We've seen that if you 286 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: can produce impact players, the Reds producing Ellie d la 287 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: Cruz is huge for them. That's more the important than depth. 288 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you look at depth, 289 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: kind of you evaluate depth differently. Depth is everyone has 290 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: some prospects who are interesting. I do think this race system, 291 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: after all the trades they made it the deadline last year, 292 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: has you know, they have twelve thirteen guys who I 293 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: could make a case for US top hundred prospects right now, 294 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: and there aren't really many other organizations, any other organizations 295 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: I could probably say that about so there's six. I 296 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: probably would have them higher myself. But as we looked 297 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: at it, that's kind of where we as a consensus 298 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of got to is No, we kind of take 299 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: that White Sox team, you know, as AJ mentioned, or 300 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: the Red Sox or the Tigers, the Dodgers now you know. 301 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: Ahead of them. 302 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: But I do think I think that there are tiers 303 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: also that we always you know, kind of look at. 304 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: It's like if you're looking at the difference between the 305 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: teams in the top five six here, they're all kind 306 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: of pretty close together. If you compared that number seven 307 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: to number two, I think there's a bigger gap. There's 308 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: like little tiers that kind of work in here and there. 309 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Once you get in the middle. We saw like the 310 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: the Marlins making the trades they did, you know, when 311 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: they traded Luzardo help them move up like five spots. 312 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: And it wasn't because those overwhelming trades. But just when 313 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: you're in that middle, the difference between one organization and 314 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: another is pretty small. And that's where using a value 315 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: evaluation formula I think is important because it does get 316 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: really tricky trying to figure out which of these three 317 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: organizations who all have three four top hundred prospects, all 318 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: in that same area, whose depth is pretty similar, how 319 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: do you kind of line those teams up? 320 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: Right? I have two questions for you. 321 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 5: One is about prospects and the other is not really 322 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: about prospects, but you can explain it to me after one. 323 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: First one is I'm looking at the list of the 324 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 5: top prospects for some of these teams, like the Angels, 325 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 5: Cayden Dana. He already made his debut, right, Jason Dominguez. 326 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 5: We've been hearing about him for like seven years, even 327 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: though he's like twenty two years old. I mean, he's 328 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: still considered a prospect after coming up, Tommy John the 329 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 5: whole deal. Like to me, like, oh, man, I don't know. 330 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: I mean some of Kumar Rockers pitched in the big leagues. 331 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: You know, I'm looking at, you know, some of these 332 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 5: guys and I'm just like, man, Dylan Cruz got one 333 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty ish plate appearances, Like, I mean, he's 334 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: like right on the edge. 335 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: Sazaki to me, shouldn't really count. I don't know. 336 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,119 Speaker 5: I mean I think like some of these top prospects 337 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 5: are now. Jason Dimingez has been around for seven years. 338 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: We got a name him. The top prosus expect again. 339 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: So one hundred and thirty at bats fifty innings or 340 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: thirty appearances is what we use. One of these years, 341 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: we'll be able to add service time to that as well. 342 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,239 Speaker 1: The problem we have is we start doing these rankings 343 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: right after the season. We're rolling out our first top 344 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: tens in before October's over. You know, basically the World 345 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Series ends and like the next week we're rolling out 346 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: our first top tens and as of yet, if you 347 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: said that service time for rookie status was just active service, 348 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: it would be a problem. But when you get to 349 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: those very small details of how many days, like the 350 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: crazy part of it is, We've talked about this before. 351 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: I think, but Jason Domingez is Rookie of the Year eligible. 352 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: But if he wins Rookie of the Year, even though 353 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: he's a top hundred prospect, he won't be PPI pick 354 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: eligible because of the time he spent on the injured list, 355 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: which I think they might need to clean that up 356 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: in the next CBA. That doesn't make a whole lot 357 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: of sense to me. Rookie Sazaki is PPI eligible. That's 358 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: the rules we're using now. Is when it comes to 359 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: a guy like Rokie, if he came over as a 360 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: foreign professional, and I know he was a foreign professional, 361 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: he's pitch in the MPB for years, But if he 362 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: came over and signed a major league contract, he wouldn't 363 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: be eligible for our list. But because he didn't, because 364 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: he signed a minor league contract and got the safest 365 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: bet non roster invite in I would say baseball history, 366 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: or at least since joey Otani got a non roster invite. 367 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: Because of that, that's why he's on our list. 368 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 4: Got it. Okay, last one your do you know your 369 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 4: number eleven team. 370 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Is uh yeah, I can it's the A's. 371 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 4: Okay, where do they play Sacramento? 372 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 5: Can we call him the Sacramento damn A's please instead 373 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 5: of just the Athletics. 374 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: I don't care what they say. Don't bow down to. 375 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 5: The stand up for yourself and you make him the 376 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 5: Sacramento as damn it? 377 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 4: So are they? So? 378 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 3: Are this year? 379 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: By the way, okay, along those lines, are they the 380 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays or this year? Are they the Tampa Race? 381 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 5: You know, the Tampa Bay they consider because they're the 382 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Lightning, right, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, So they 383 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 5: consider the whole bay, right, So it's Tampa Bay. But 384 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 5: they're the Sacramento Athletics. Can we please start calling them that? 385 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 4: I don't care what the talks about that. 386 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I see what you're saying. 387 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, California Athletics. How about the West Coast Athletics 388 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: of Oakland of Las Vegas like the Angels did those 389 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: couple of years. 390 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying. They could be the Los 391 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 4: Angeles of amahond No. 392 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: They could be the Los Angeles Athletics. Of Sacramento just 393 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 5: so they can incorporate Los Angeles like the Angels did, 394 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 5: even though they're not anywhere close. 395 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: To Hey, this great pub for Baseball America. We've got 396 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: two major league teams. I never thought I would live 397 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: my life with two MLB teams in two minor league parks. 398 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: You're going to learn more about these minor league franchises, 399 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: whether you like it or not, because they're playing there. 400 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: So get yourself a Baseball American subscription. The codes FT 401 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: thirty last word at JJ what he got. 402 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say on that, like, I'm gonna 403 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: be fascinated to see what is like. The last time 404 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: we had a team in Miami play outdoors, it was 405 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: impossible to hit, like you know, and so what is 406 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: it gonna be like when it gets to June, July, August. 407 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: I think pitchers are gonna love being there, and I'm 408 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: really worried what it's gonna mean for hitters. A. 409 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, people that are making like frozen drinks and all 410 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 2: kinds of things right outside of the park, they're gonna 411 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: have a field day. I remember going to Mylins camps 412 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: when I was younger outside and it was tough, and 413 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: then it rained JJ, good talking to you, will chat soon. 414 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Thank you all right, MT for. 415 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: Right back, and I love Florida. Baseball America gives you 416 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: a thirty percent off first year subscription if you use 417 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: the promo code FT thirty or use that code BA 418 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: is awesome. Okay, I shouldn't have to say much more, 419 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: but that's where you get the full rankings for the players, 420 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 2: the teams, the whole deal in the weed. It's a 421 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: top round and start with a team we covered yesterday, 422 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: the same Francisco Giants. We hinted at this, and then 423 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: we got word on the list that's invited to spring 424 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: training and it is a buster Posey list, as in 425 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: the bets are back baby. I heard also, you know 426 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: that they had the office that always had like Willie May's, 427 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: and then it had some other, you know, very notable 428 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: former dudes there, and then it was replaced by a 429 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: bunch of analytics people that's right near the clubhouse. That's 430 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: of course going to shift back to more of the 431 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: veteran presence situation. So let's shoot, let's show everyone the list, 432 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: and Ourlana Rizzo also said smart move by Posey. But 433 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: Amy g who's been covering the team for a long time, 434 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: said they bring a lumback to spring training this year. 435 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: She said, here's who you might see in Scottsdale. I 436 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: won't read all of them, but there's many familiar faces. 437 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: J T. 438 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: Snow replied to one of our tweets yesterday, it sounds 439 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: like he might work with Bryce Eldridge, their big bat prospect. 440 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: But Scootero's on here, Panic Hunter, Pence Affelt, Santiago Cassilla, 441 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: Ryan Bogel song. This is what you're talking about. 442 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 4: Aj, Yes, this is what I love. I love this. 443 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 5: I love that teams that have won and have a 444 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 5: tradition of winning bring back their guys. This is what 445 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 5: teams should do because you know what, like Kratzi said yesterday, 446 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 5: these guys know how to win in their particular market 447 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 5: and they can help young guys get better. You know, 448 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 5: every team, a lot of teams bring back one or 449 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 5: two guys. 450 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: But it's cool. 451 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 5: Dave Getty was my pitching coach when I was in 452 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: San Francisco. He's awesome, right. Vogo song one there you 453 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 5: know AFL, Jave Lopez, All these guys, even like a 454 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: guy like Santiago Cassilla, who most guys people outside of 455 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 5: San Francisco have never heard of. 456 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 4: He was a great guy from them, a great bullpen fees. 457 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 4: You know what he can do. 458 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 5: He can help the bullpen guys. He can help them 459 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: get ready to pitch in the seventh, eighth, ninth inning, 460 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: whatever it is. I love this by Buster Posey bringing 461 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 5: in guys that have been there and done that, and 462 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: they come in for three days, four days, So what 463 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 5: put him up in a hotel, You take them to dinner, 464 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: you give him a couple of meal money, and he 465 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 5: put them in a uniform. 466 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 4: And it makes the fans happy. He love play, love 467 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: to see him. 468 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 5: And you know who loves it even more the alumni 469 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 5: of the team because it brings them and makes them 470 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 5: feel like a piece of the team. 471 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: Great job by Buster Bosey. 472 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: Nice and ninety nine percent of the players are gonna 473 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: have no connection with everybody on this list except one guy, 474 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: and that one connection can make the difference. Like, how 475 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: is Joe Panic gonna talk to Bright Eldridge? How's he 476 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: gonna talk to him? Like there's no there's no connection. 477 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: He's gonna look at him and be like, hey, I 478 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: made a really good play in a twenty fourteen World 479 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: Series that helped us win it. Like so there's not 480 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: a connection everywhere, but bring these guys back. It's just 481 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: that like camaraderie of man. I really want to be 482 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: a part of this organization. Stay here, sign back. Everybody's 483 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: situation is different, but for you two, I just want 484 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: you guys to look at the list. Because our made 485 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: the rundown. Claudia producer lady made the rundown and didn't 486 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: add the last two names. So I'm not sure exactly 487 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: what happened. But if you look at our down, the 488 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: names that are at the bottom are two other people 489 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: that got invited to Giants spring training. 490 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: Also, I'm looking at the rundown. I don't know what 491 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: you're talking about. 492 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 5: I mean, my number is retired Democrats. I don't know 493 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 5: about yours, but my number. Look here we go, look 494 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 5: my number. Here's my bubblehead Giants bablehead, one of them. 495 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: My number right there. So you at thirty six retired. Yep, hey, 496 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 5: j you're retired number. Your number is retired. My number 497 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 5: is just tired from my time there. So it's kind 498 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 5: of the same retired and tired. 499 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: So exhausted. Let me ask you a question on numbers. 500 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: A fan question popped in just now from Roots. Have 501 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: you guys talked about Miguel Rojas giving his number to 502 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: Roki Sasaki for nothing? A veteran player perspective would be 503 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: interesting because this breaks from tradition, doesn't it? And this 504 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: was told on our show, wasn't it? From to ask 505 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: her Hernandez when we were breaking down the number situation 506 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: for Rokie. 507 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 5: Listen, it's smart played by Miguel Rojas. You know why 508 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 5: he's fighting for that roster spot. Maybe he needs everybody 509 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 5: on his side. I guess who could help him? Oh, 510 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: Doc Roberts is like, hey, Rookie, who do you want 511 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 5: to play him? 512 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: Behind you? He's like, well that might go. 513 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 5: Warriors he gave or uh sorry we go Rojas he 514 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 5: gave me that number, so, uh, you know, I kind 515 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 5: of like that fella. So listen smart move by Nickeys 516 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 5: Road right here. To know where he sits in the 517 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 5: hierarchy of the Dodgers. 518 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know about that, but I don't. 519 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: I don't think the question was was you know this 520 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: gets away from like tradition or something about like veteran 521 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: tradition to me? No, I think I don't. I don't 522 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: think that's the case. I just think it. I think 523 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: it eliminates or it gets rid of like something that 524 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: I think is fun. Dude, I've seen a J. Burnett 525 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: gave my buddy Daniel McCutcheon, not Andrew McCutcheon. Daniel McCutcheon 526 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: a five twenty nine for his just born son, and 527 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: then his wife was pregnant, so he set up another 528 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 3: five twenty nine for his unborn child that was that 529 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: was still on the way, and then the team ridiculed 530 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 3: him for how much he gave him, so he ended 531 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: up doubling it for both of them. I think it's 532 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 3: just fun clubhouse stuff. Rookie has to give Viggy something, 533 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: but maybe he's pining for a spot on the twenty 534 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 3: six manroster because hey, they just got rid of Brazier. 535 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: Miggie's like, if Mookie really plays shortstop, really, well, what 536 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: do I do? 537 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: Like team cheerleader? 538 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 5: Also, by the way, also by the way, let me 539 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 5: just say this, it's usually the veteran guy that gives 540 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 5: the rookie something for a number, not the rookie guy 541 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 5: giving a veteran guy something. Right, So the rules are 542 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 5: kind of reversed here. Right, because I know I told 543 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 5: the story. When I went to Cardinals, I had to 544 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 5: give Gibson my number. I had to give him something 545 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 5: for my number because they gave me a number without asking. 546 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: And then I'm like, wait, twelve is open. Why do 547 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 5: I have Frank Thomas thirty five? It didn't look right, 548 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 5: so I had to give him something for that. It's 549 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 5: usually the veteran that gives the rookie the number. Would 550 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 5: you give him? 551 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 4: Oh, dude, a game? 552 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 5: One thousand bucks to Apple Apple card thousand another Apple card. 553 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 5: There was like a month left in the season, was 554 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 5: like in September. 555 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, proted, it's a pro rated deal, Kratz. 556 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 2: If it was the whole dollar Apple. 557 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 5: Gift card, you know how valuable that was on that team. 558 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 5: Those dudes played clash at clans like nobody's business. 559 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: They need. 560 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: You gave him money to buy apps and buy what's 561 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: it called boosts in the games. There was an Instagram 562 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: post from a guardian's account, not the team itself, that 563 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: was talking about the payroll, and it's a justified complaint. 564 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: I think the numbers might be skewed, but the point 565 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: is three wins away from the World Series and they're 566 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: pointing to the twenty four payroll at one forty four 567 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: mil the twenty five parol at one oh four. I 568 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: think those numbers are off. I think it's a pretty 569 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: close payroll from twenty four to twenty five, but it's 570 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: still down. 571 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: A little bit. 572 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: Guardians are one hundred mil payroll team these days. That's 573 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: the decision that ownership has made. Is it the right call? 574 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: Of course, it's not the right call. That Guardians have 575 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: often been one or two impact bats away from, in 576 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 2: my mind, being a World Series winner, and they just 577 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: won't do it. They just won't support Jose Ramirez and 578 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: before that, Ramirez and Lindor with more, and that usually 579 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: is going to cost you a little bit unless you're 580 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: just pumping out prospects left and right. They've got the 581 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: arm situation figured out, aj but that team was at 582 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: one p fifty, which we all know they can handle. Yeah, 583 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: they might have a title or two. 584 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, get on them, Scott, get them. This is Scott's 585 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 5: this is Scott's area to shine right here, Get them, Scott. 586 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 5: I think the numbers are one oh four, they're like 587 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 5: one oh four to ninety six, And I understand what 588 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: we're saying here, like, go get a batter two. I mean, 589 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 5: they signed our guy Paul sea Wall to a deal, 590 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 5: they brought back Beaver, but gosh, go get a bat 591 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 5: or two. 592 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: Now. 593 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 5: I don't know who that batter two is, but go 594 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 5: get a bat or two. Because they relied on this 595 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: outfield that hasn't been great form from the farm system 596 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: for a while with some trades in this and now, 597 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 5: but it hasn't really worked out. Go get somebody that 598 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 5: can put you over the top. Because the division's winnable, 599 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 5: like we've talked about, and the American League is winnable 600 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 5: because they were three wins away last year and from 601 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: going to the World Series. 602 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: And they packed the place last year. 603 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 5: Jacobs Field. I know it's I called that. I think 604 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 5: it's called progressive Field. I always called Jacobs but progressive field, 605 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 5: Jacobs Field, there was absolutely packed last year. 606 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: So go make the fans happy. 607 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: Guardians fans, Guardians fans need to just enjoy their team 608 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: because once salary cap and salary floor come in, Guardians 609 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: are just going to be sold. They're gonna have to 610 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: go to another city because they clearly can't raise up 611 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: to whatever the salary floor is going to be just, 612 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: won't be fair, just won't have enough money. Feel sad 613 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: for a Guardians fans more cow picks right, all of 614 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: that not enough. They can't raise it up. 615 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 4: They can't raise their salary up.