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Speaker 1: Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: ty Hildebrand. Joinning me as always over there in New

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: They said the Bison couldn't do it, They said North

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Speaker 2: And here we are to recap all things. Trey Lance, Ty,

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Speaker 2: I'm great. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am doing well? Welcome one, Welcome all, and congratulations

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Speaker 1: to the LSU Tigers who triumphantly won the College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff National Championship last night by a forty two to

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Speaker 1: twenty five score over the Clemson Tigers. This is a

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Speaker 1: different show for us. We only have one game to recap.

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Speaker 1: the minutia of the game that transpired last night in

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Speaker 1: over the next few months. But as we make this

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Speaker 1: turn now into the so called doldrums of college football,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do that. So we do have the one game

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Speaker 2: to discuss. I think we can also discuss implications moving

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Speaker 2: relates to LSU and Clemson. So I suppose, unless there's

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Speaker 2: more housekeeping to do, people understand that LSU is a

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Speaker 2: national champion. They'd beat Clemson forty two to twenty five

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Speaker 2: to you, what was this game? What did you come

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Speaker 2: away with being sure of after watching LSU's offense put

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, a week ago, when we previewed this

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Speaker 1: by asking will it matter? Will it matter that Clemson's

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Speaker 1: listed off about fifteen items, Will they matter? What we

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Speaker 1: over the course of sixty minutes. What truly mattered was

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Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow was again unflappable in two playoff games,

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Speaker 1: accounting for fourteen total touchdowns, which is a crazy stat,

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Speaker 1: but first and foremost I came away from this game

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair to the game itself, he was

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Speaker 2: But Clemson looked like the better prepared team to win

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Speaker 1: To me, you know, we start this discussion rightfully talking

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Speaker 2: They score that touchdown early on on their first possession

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Speaker 2: But it was such a complete performance, and you know,

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Speaker 2: or and seeing something in Joe Burrow. But LSU got

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Speaker 2: But I think what sort of gets lost because we're inundated.

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Speaker 2: Edrogron gets positioned as he's the local guy who went

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Speaker 2: home guy. Edorrigron is a full on great coach. And

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Speaker 2: Oh right, that I want to say, yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 2: like And you know, it's like, oh, this Joe Brady kid. Finally,

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Speaker 2: LSU pass a game coordinator. These are full on great coaches.

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Speaker 2: These are full on great players. Joe Burrow just happened

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Speaker 2: Their game against Clemson proved was this is just college

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Speaker 2: football excellence, and it's all time excellence. For all of

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Speaker 2: it's just new in this decade for LSU to do

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Speaker 2: what they did. And Clemson's a great team, and what

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Speaker 1: An incredible watch, and to your point, Ed ors run

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Speaker 1: ed Orgron's run in college football circles for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Of course, was coach at ol Miss. He saw during

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Speaker 1: The guy knows how to get you amped up to

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Speaker 1: the factory open. LSU is interesting. I can't imagine anybody

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Speaker 1: believes Joe Brady is long for Baton Rouge, even if

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Speaker 1: he coaches another year there. Next year quarterback is a

432
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Speaker 1: lot less certain system hiring assistants because as well as

433
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Speaker 1: LSU's defense is played, it now seems like, okay, this

434
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Speaker 1: is Dave Randa with his maximum value. You know, maybe

435
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Speaker 1: he gets hired by an NFL team, maybe he sticks around.

436
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to get a better situation

437
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Speaker 1: in college than what he has at LSU.

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Speaker 2: But ed Orgeron passed chapter one with flying colors. LSU

439
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Speaker 2: is gonna be in a great position talent wise right now. Though,

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Speaker 2: with what Clemson has coming in and they have their

441
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Speaker 2: return basically everybody in important mean, they're SI. You probably lose,

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Speaker 2: you know, t Higgins and Travis etn. But the receivers

443
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Speaker 2: that they have there, that's probably the best coach receiver

444
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Speaker 2: team in the country. Clemson should I believe they are

445
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Speaker 2: the odds on favorite. Yeah, right now, So I'm looking

446
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Speaker 2: at the odds. Clemson is a two to one favorite,

447
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Speaker 2: followed by Ohio State at three and a half to one,

448
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Speaker 2: Alabama at seven to one, Georgia at seven and a

449
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Speaker 2: half to one. LSU is at fourteen to one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and what LSU does that quarterback, whether it's

451
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Speaker 2: Miles Brennan, whether it's another one of the younger guys,

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Speaker 2: whether they go to the transfer portal. I saw Derek

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Speaker 2: King put his name in officially after taking that weird

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Speaker 2: red shirt situation after a couple of games, and I

455
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Speaker 2: imagine he will be a hot commodity. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma turns to another transfer, but who knows. So LSU

457
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Speaker 2: seems like a pretty ideal situation with what he'll have

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Speaker 2: around him, especially if Joe Brady returns. Yeah, the chapter

459
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Speaker 2: two is a mystery to me for LSU. I really

460
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Speaker 2: hope we get as many entertaining football games from the Tigers.

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Speaker 2: But Clemson's in a better place right now. I would

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Speaker 2: agree with that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for sure, LSU caught lightning in a bottle.

464
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Speaker 1: What makes them different is that they knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: to do with it, or they figured out what to

466
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Speaker 1: do with it on the fly. And Joe Burrow, I

467
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Speaker 1: think they knew they had something last year. They just

468
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Speaker 1: needed to beef up that offense. And that was clearly

469
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Speaker 1: a concerted effort in the off season, and that's what

470
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what ed or Dron was trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for And it won't be a fantasy thing,

472
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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm happy to talk about it now. There

473
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Speaker 2: was going there are going to be stories that will

474
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Speaker 2: use the phrasing. Could be a Joe.

475
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Speaker 3: Burrow type, a little bit of Joe b or a

476
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Speaker 3: young offensive coordinator coming in and like they think he'll

477
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Speaker 3: have a Joe Brady like effect on the blobby blah offense.

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Speaker 1: We're going to need the Joe Brady fantasy things item

479
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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: The Joe Brady fantasy things. Yeah. Well, I mean an

481
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Speaker 2: incredible job by both Brady and Enspinger and Burrow. I mean,

482
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Speaker 2: there's nothing short of just terrific. But what LSU did

483
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Speaker 2: is not going to be respected as it should be

484
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Speaker 2: as something that only LSU could accomplish. And we are

485
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Speaker 2: going to see, Oh there's a template, there's a template

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Speaker 2: of opening things up, of finding a new coordinator who's

487
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Speaker 2: going to have this type of effect. And I can't

488
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Speaker 2: wait for it. I cannot absolutely wait for it.

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Speaker 1: So your final score here was forty two to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: LSU becomes now the second fifteen and oh team in

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Speaker 1: the history of college football, behind Clemson. Last year, Clempson

492
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Speaker 1: finishes fourteen and one, a marvelous season for them as well.

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Speaker 1: How did you watch this game? ESPN had its Mega

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Speaker 1: cast going again, where we had multiple different feeds that

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Speaker 1: we could watch. I did my best to graze and

496
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Speaker 1: sample each of them.

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Speaker 2: So I watched the main feed. I flipped a little

498
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Speaker 2: bit at different points in the game early on to

499
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Speaker 2: just get a sense. I thought the I don't know

500
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Speaker 2: what it was called the sideline with our pala Adam Amemeil,

501
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Speaker 2: Penny Levy, the field pass, thank you. I think it

502
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Speaker 2: was what Pat McAfee and Daniel Rostovsky. Yeah, maah, seemed

503
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Speaker 2: to be pretty good. But they're reacting without a vantage point,

504
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Speaker 2: without context, so that's tough. I watched the coach's film room.

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Speaker 2: Some actually came away pretty impressed with Jeff Haffley Boston College.

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Speaker 1: For more than one reason. Please. Yeah, so that feed

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Speaker 1: remains the one that I'm most interested in. But I

508
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Speaker 1: can't stand to watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not a good live watch. It's an

510
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Speaker 2: after the fact watch, I think, is where it really is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And like in the past, they've tried to plug in

512
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Speaker 1: a host play traffic cop right, and this year. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: guessing they ditched that idea and sort of decided to

514
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Speaker 1: let Mike Gundy and Jeff Haffley do it. Yeah, they

515
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Speaker 1: Sean Parker lose the the Yeah. I think they actually

516
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Speaker 1: did a decent enough job doing it. The problem is

517
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Speaker 1: that Gary Patterson does all the talking. Is the alpha.

518
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Speaker 1: He is the alpha. And to his credit, he's been

519
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Speaker 1: a coach for a long time. He's very bread and

520
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Speaker 1: he's good at what he does. There's a reason he's

521
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Speaker 1: been at TCU forever. But from a watchability standpoint, sitting

522
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Speaker 1: at home, the only two solutions are to either a

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Speaker 1: put Gary Patterson as the only one in the film

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Speaker 1: room or b get rid of them all together and

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Speaker 1: invite someone else. Oh, the Gary Patterson Room, the frog room,

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Speaker 1: the frog Room.

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Speaker 2: I imagine there's an element of because he's done it

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Speaker 2: so many times and because he has always sort of

529
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Speaker 2: looked like the strong personality in the Coaches room, that

530
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Speaker 2: a producer pulled him asides like listen, there's dead air.

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Speaker 2: We need you. You know, we can count on you.

532
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Speaker 2: If there's a lull, we need we need you GP.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: The Coaches film room was just an exercise in four

535
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Speaker 2: different dudes saying, can you rewind that? Okay, rewind that place?

536
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Speaker 2: Can you rewind that? Can we go back?

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Speaker 1: We go back? QUI go back?

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Speaker 2: Quig go back, QUI go back. And they didn't want

539
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Speaker 2: to come across as like this is a run, this

540
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Speaker 2: is a pass, this is a draw. They they were

541
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Speaker 2: genuinely impressed with both teams, I thought, and the sort

542
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Speaker 2: of architecture of their game plans, which I like to

543
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Speaker 2: see coaches come away with things like oh that's an

544
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Speaker 2: interesting RN call, Oh wow, okay, they didn't show that,

545
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Speaker 2: and to actually that phrasing, they didn't show that. I

546
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Speaker 2: saw Steve Ensminger I was. I don't know who he told,

547
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Speaker 2: but it was like the sixth or seventh straight game

548
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Speaker 2: where LSU's offense saw a defense that they hadn't seen

549
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Speaker 2: on film, like what Clemson threw at LSU was not

550
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Speaker 2: anything that they were prepared for, and still they adjusted,

551
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Speaker 2: they stayed calm, and it was It was very cool.

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Speaker 1: I did enjoy elements of that coaching film room is

553
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Speaker 1: it is fun. Like I said, it remains the feed

554
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Speaker 1: that I'm most interested in, but it can be can

555
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Speaker 1: be a tough watch. I'm with you on the field pass.

556
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Speaker 1: It's it's a ton of fun, not just because our

557
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: good friend Adam is involved, but I do enjoy watching

558
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Speaker 1: them move frantically about the sidelines, like just the machinations

559
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Speaker 1: of that. Oh yeah, yeah, to me is very interesting.

560
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Speaker 2: Hit by arrant punts.

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Speaker 1: Exactly did you did you dabble it all with the

562
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Speaker 1: ref cast?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I did not either. I didn't do the roughcast.

565
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Speaker 2: I didn't do the NAT sound of just like a

566
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Speaker 2: wide camera and the dome. Didn't do that. Did not

567
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Speaker 2: do the local radio guys, which I'm sure was cool

568
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Speaker 2: if you're specifically an LS you are a Clemson fan, sure,

569
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Speaker 2: but yeah, that those were the Those are the feeds

570
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Speaker 2: that I went. I didn't do the stat camera, the

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Speaker 2: all twenty two whatever I mean, I guess the coach's

572
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Speaker 2: film room was all twenty two ish. It was the

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Speaker 2: wide angle, but no, it was. It was a good broadcast.

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Speaker 2: I thought Fowler and Herb Street were good. I came away.

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Speaker 1: It was long, really long, four four and a half.

576
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Speaker 1: Felt some of those quarters needed halftime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it lasted and last and lasted. But you know,

578
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Speaker 2: this is the final game of the season. If you're

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Speaker 2: complaining about a long football game, maybe you're not super

580
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Speaker 2: into football.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're not so all right here we are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone starting today is official undefeated. Congratulations as we enter

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty college football season. Dan. As we said

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Speaker 1: at the top, just because they aren't playing the games

585
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: does not mean we are not putting out the podcast.

586
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Speaker 1: We officially now switch back to our once a week format.

587
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: We will be here doing our show once a week

588
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Speaker 1: until when like late July, early August. At some point

589
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: around then, we'll start previewing games and then we'll jump

590
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Speaker 1: back in. But as for the time being, we're looking

591
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Speaker 1: at about seven months of off season college football content.

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Speaker 1: Mister Rubinstein, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it to the bank that we're only

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Speaker 2: doing once a week. I think we have some stuff

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Speaker 2: up our sleeves that all schedule a little bet, but

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Speaker 2: that's another day another time. I would encourage people, if

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Speaker 2: they are not subscribed, to subscribe right now to join

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Speaker 2: the subreddit. I also have in front of me our

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Speaker 2: friends Dumandel's Way too Early top twenty five okay for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I'm putting this on you. I have he

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Speaker 2: has Clemson one, which I think is Ohio State two,

602
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Speaker 2: Alabama three. I think Mac Jones, and I guess he'll

603
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: be battling a five star true freshman quarterback Bryce Young.

604
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: It'll be a new receiver corps because I think Jerry

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Speaker 2: Judy and Henry Ruggs both declared, but DeVante Smith and

606
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Speaker 2: Davanta Smith and Jalen Wattle still there. Georgia four with

607
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Speaker 2: Jamie Newman, but they returned some some studs on defense.

608
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about Jamie Newman. I

609
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Speaker 2: think we're going to probably do a transfer and new

610
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Speaker 2: look specific show with coaches and transfers popping up all

611
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Speaker 2: over the country. LSU five too low, too high with

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Speaker 2: quarterback uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: Let's say you that might be pretty high. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that might be. That might be pretty high, Dan, I.

615
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Speaker 2: Guess quarterback and coordinator uncertainty. Penn State at six. You

616
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Speaker 2: gotta love Kirk Shiraka. Yeah, if you like Penn State

617
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Speaker 2: at number six, I think I.

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Speaker 1: Think you're really really subscribing to Kerch Shiraka. If you've

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Speaker 1: got Penn State at number six.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: But Su mandel is Stu Mandel is. But there's so

622
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Speaker 1: much coming back on that defense that again as the

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Speaker 1: bedrock and the starting point for what Penn State's going

624
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Speaker 1: to do next year. That's that's as good a spot

625
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Speaker 1: as any. They do lose kJ Hamler, which it will

626
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they replace that kind of production.

627
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Speaker 1: Receiver was not a strong suit for Penn State this year.

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Speaker 2: Outside of him, Yeah, a couple of bus as well,

629
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Speaker 2: higher rated recruits. That receiver didn't really work out for

630
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Speaker 2: Penn State as well. Florida at seven, Kyle Trask is

631
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Speaker 2: is he the clear best reason?

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Speaker 1: I think? I think Florida is my way too early,

633
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Speaker 1: like to the extent that they can be a sleeper. Yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: they're my way too early sleeper team. Their corners for

635
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oregon at eight, they don't have an offensive coordinator

637
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Speaker 2: at the time we're recording this. I know the team

638
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: really likes Tyler Shuck who was justin Herbert's backup at quarterback,

639
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: and their juniors on defense are all returning that perhaps

640
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: we're flirting with the NFL. Their defense should be absurd.

641
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Speaker 2: This will be a don't top five defense in the country, probably,

642
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Speaker 2: especially with what they'll be seeing on offense, which will

643
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Speaker 2: now include the Nick Rolovich Washington State Cougars. That was

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Speaker 2: sort of announced during the game. So there's that Oklahoma nine.

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Speaker 1: That's wow. Yeah, I don't know. They won't finish ninth.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it that way, They'll finish higher.

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Speaker 2: The Big twelve will be better in twenty twenty. It

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Speaker 2: should the year of the new coaching under the belts

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Speaker 2: of what Neil Brown and Chris Cleman and Matt Wells like.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot more to count on with the Big twelve.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be tough for It's probably

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Speaker 2: gonna be Spencer Ratler, who I know they like a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think he was the number one quarterback last year

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Speaker 2: coming out of high school. I think you're right. Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame ten.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame ten is I think about right. I am

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Speaker 1: curious though. Again I go back to preseason odds and

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the top five, but Notre Dame is number

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Speaker 1: six at twenty to one. They're in front of Florida. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're in front of Texas, They're in front of USC Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: They're in front of Michigan and Penn State. I think

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Speaker 1: ten's about right. To be honest with you, there are

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Speaker 1: some losses that they're going to have to contend with

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Speaker 1: but should have a good team coming back. The schedule

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Speaker 1: does get harder, though.

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Speaker 2: If Notre Dame makes the twenty twenty Slash twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one college Football Playoff. Let's agree now to pool our

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Speaker 2: life savings to gamble against Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Deal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good Wisconsin at eleven? Uh huh, I might wager yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the Wisconsin defense should be pretty good, but

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Speaker 2: they're without Zach Bond and Chris Orr. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: no jtt. I think that's an off year for the

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Speaker 2: Badgers to me, but have not really fully gotten in

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Speaker 2: deep with the Badger of y. At Auburn at twelve,

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Speaker 2: adding Chad Morris I think is interesting. I'm not fully

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Speaker 2: sold on bow Nicks Iowa thirteen, USC fourteen no defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator at the time of this recording. Oklahoma State fifteen

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Speaker 2: doing anything for you at Chuba Horbard coming back.

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Speaker 1: Cuba Hubbard coming back.

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Speaker 2: I like that, And they promote Casey Dunn, the receivers

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Speaker 2: coach from within, taking over at offensive coordinator after losing

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Speaker 2: Sean Gleeson to Rutgers Minnesota at sixteen. Ill like well.

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Speaker 2: They hire Mike Samford I think they're gonna be a

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Speaker 2: good team.

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Speaker 1: I think they're still gonna be pretty goods still gonna

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Speaker 1: be pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Inner Morgan back, Yeah, all right, all round it out Texas, Cincinnati, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: Michigan at twenty. I guess it's Dylan McCaffrey, Joe Milton,

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Speaker 2: who knows a quarterback? Memphis new head coach. We'll see

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Speaker 2: A and M I.

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Speaker 1: Think is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I feel good about a Top

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Speaker 2: twelve Hellen mand led offense, but happy to be surprised.

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Speaker 2: North Carolina ASU with an intriguing quarterback and a new

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. Call it twenty five tie, let's plant the flag.

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Speaker 2: Top fifteen. Cal Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, baby, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they lose Evan Weaver, which is damage because he

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Speaker 2: tackled everybody at twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So Daniel, here is the deal. We have our three

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Speaker 1: winners in the college football Bullpool, OH Conference Pool. Keith

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Speaker 1: Richards eighty six held on, okay, held on to win.

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Speaker 1: Also let down look Ahead Sandwich, an entry that I

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Speaker 1: had spot shadowed when we did our analysis a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, eventually did jump up and look at this.

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Speaker 1: I love my Oregon Ducks one. Oh yeah, coming in

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Speaker 1: third place. Keith Richards actually tied for twenty fifth overall.

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Speaker 1: Like across however, many hundreds of thousands of millions of

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Speaker 1: entries on the esp dot com website, he actually fared

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Speaker 1: pretty well, so on.

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Speaker 2: By two points seven hundred and sixty six to seven

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Speaker 2: sixty four. And then I Love my organ ducs one

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Speaker 2: was seven fifty so tight at the top.

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Speaker 1: Very tight at the top. Here is the deal, boys

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Speaker 1: and girls. Send us an email, solid verbal at gmail

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Speaker 1: are who you say you are. Then will make sure

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Speaker 1: that we get those over to you. But congratulations to

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Speaker 1: one and all, Thank you so much. To the gosh.

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Speaker 1: Would we have fourteen hundred people or so that ended

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Speaker 1: up playing in our pool our biggest showing yet, We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Hope you had as much fun as

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Speaker 1: we did. Wish I would have done a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: I finished with six hundred and eighteen point stand in

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Speaker 1: the seventieth percentile.

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Speaker 2: I went six forty four eighty fourth percentile, okay, edging

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Speaker 2: out the PA contingent.

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Speaker 1: It's not the fantasy things, but you want something gradations.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very very much. This was god. I missed

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Speaker 2: I think my lowest four, which was pretty great, my one, two,

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Speaker 2: three and four pointers and I hit my number one.

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Speaker 2: But I did lose my number two, but then I

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Speaker 2: went on a nice run at the top, so it

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Speaker 2: would have been better if I guess Nevada had one

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Speaker 2: and uh SMU had one. So thanks for nothing, Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 1: Well, among all the groups across all of ESPN, our

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Speaker 1: group finished number one eighteen, which ain't bad. Hey, good

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Speaker 1: job guys, and pretty much all those other groups are

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Speaker 1: way way smaller than ours.

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Speaker 2: That qualifies for Wimbledon. I believe believe that there are

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty eight entrants in Wimbledon, so great.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you again to everyone for downloading

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Speaker 1: the show. Don't forget you can follow us out there

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Speaker 1: Long after we hit the stop button on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: keep the conversation going deep into the off season. As

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Speaker 1: you said, mister Rubenstein, We've got all sorts of fun

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Speaker 1: stuff planned for this college football off season, which officially

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Speaker 1: begins today. But in the meantime, Dan, congratulations again to

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Speaker 1: the LSU Tigers and at Orgeron, Joe Burrow, the entire

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Speaker 1: Bayou Bengal family on a fantastic fifteen to oher season.

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Speaker 1: It was a true pleasure to watch it from this chair.

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty much all I got.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to us three shows a week all season long,

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Speaker 2: dumb boat jokes, and both of our teams finished impressively,

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Speaker 2: and I think we'll be reasonably optimistic going into twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty about the Ducks and the Irish.

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Speaker 1: I think we are. I think we are.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have.

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Speaker 1: On that note for that guy over there and my

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Speaker 1: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brandt over

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Speaker 1: here in eastern Pennsylvania, thank you so much for hanging

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Speaker 1: with us, not just on this show, but really throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of the season. We will be back at

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Speaker 1: you next week. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,