Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, prepare yourselves
Speaker 1: because it's the B Movie Cancelation Special. That's right, I'm
Speaker 1: taking on B Movie to hold it accountable for all
Speaker 1: of its be crimes. We're gonna fact check the entire
Speaker 1: movie and I will tell you the real, fascinating truth
Speaker 1: about bees. But Katie, you might say B Movie came
Speaker 1: out in two thousand seven, isn't it too late to
Speaker 1: talk about it in such passionate detail. That's where you're
Speaker 1: freaking wrong. It's never too late to take B Movie
Speaker 1: to task for its in accuracies, sexism, and slander against bees.
Speaker 1: Joining me today to dissect, destroy, and overthrow the B
Speaker 1: Movie are the perfect duo to take on this incredibly
Speaker 1: important task. The hosts of the Bechdel Podcast Movie Experts,
Speaker 1: Feminist dream Team be Appreciators, Caitlin Durante and Jamie loft
Speaker 1: us h. We love bees. I think the bees are problematic,
Speaker 1: but they're capitalists. But are they so many thoughts? So
Speaker 1: much to discuss? Yes, much to discuss. Yeah, this movie.
Speaker 1: It's galvanizing, isn't it. I think it galvanizes the nation.
Speaker 1: It's divisive, it's it's a flashpoint. You know. So you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys have watched the B movie in question. Yes
Speaker 1: we did, Yes, I just watched it last night for
Speaker 1: the first time. I will say there are many different
Speaker 1: lenses through which you can analyze and examine this movie.
Speaker 1: I would say, examining it from a strictly screen running
Speaker 1: point of view, I would say it is one of
Speaker 1: the worst movies I've ever seen. It's okay, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: is it bad, Yes, yes, But it's like switches it's
Speaker 1: it kept switching genres so often that I was captivated.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, this is a this
Speaker 1: is a legal drama. And we decided that two thirds
Speaker 1: of the way through it was a rom com. It
Speaker 1: started as a rom com that I was really not
Speaker 1: on board with between a B and a human female
Speaker 1: and also the human female, like, I think it's very
Speaker 1: I feel like the B Jerry Seinfeld B Barry B.
Speaker 1: Benson is very much getting like, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better phrase, very much getting friend zoned. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think renee Zellwigger is in love with the B but
Speaker 1: he keeps being like, oh, I don't have a human girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you don't, right, No, she's never
Speaker 1: reciprocated in any way. Yeah, isn't she dating Patrick Warburton
Speaker 1: in this that relationship? Yeah, she does break up with him,
Speaker 1: I think because he is a jerk. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a lesson for for all guys who kind
Speaker 1: like hang on to girls and be friends with them
Speaker 1: when they're in a bad relationship. Just because they get
Speaker 1: out of a bad relationship doesn't mean they're going to
Speaker 1: have sex with a B. I mean, thank you finally someone.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much I needed to hear that.
Speaker 1: I think you knew it internally, but it's good to
Speaker 1: hear it like externally. I've never heard it exactly. So
Speaker 1: I actually talked about the B movie on Abe Everson
Speaker 1: in Michael Swim's podcast Frame Rate, and we dissected the movie.
Speaker 1: But I really wanted to get it more into the
Speaker 1: B biology because I mean, this may come as a
Speaker 1: shock to you guys, but this movie doesn't quite get
Speaker 1: it right, does not quite get the biology of bees right.
Speaker 1: And this is a pattern with movies about bees or
Speaker 1: hive structures where it just like does not pay attention
Speaker 1: at all to the reality. And you can tell from
Speaker 1: the very first second of the movie because there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of brobes guy bees going around and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into chad bees exactly, so we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: all the nitty gritty of every way this movie is
Speaker 1: wrong biologically, philosophically, morally, uh so spiritually animatedly, like the
Speaker 1: animation is like the worst animation I've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: was okay. I will say there were some shots that
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, that was pretty good shot,
Speaker 1: The shot where he's on the tennis ball and gravity
Speaker 1: is pulling him down. I don't know if that's how
Speaker 1: gravity works, but it looked it looks pretty cool. It's
Speaker 1: a cartoon, I mean, well, I guess specifically like character
Speaker 1: design wise, character design is yeah, it all looks like
Speaker 1: dog crap. I empathize with nobody in the movie harshly
Speaker 1: because their facial expressions are terrible, uh and partially because
Speaker 1: none of them are likable. And it's also Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 1: is not likable. I also didn't realize how like, how many,
Speaker 1: how many like famous people were in this movie forty
Speaker 1: five seconds, like so many John good Man, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was very, very, a very day drunk. Renee Zellwegger.
Speaker 1: Oh that was I had that in my and and
Speaker 1: I took a couple of notes and then I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no point, but yeah, I did write Renee Renee Zellwegger,
Speaker 1: uh drunk. I also wrote that down. I actually wrote
Speaker 1: copious notes. So I don't think that thanks for doing
Speaker 1: the work, and you're welcome. That's not even a slight
Speaker 1: to Renee Zellwegger. Like, I don't think I could get
Speaker 1: through that recording session. So yeah, she did what she
Speaker 1: needed to do, and I, you know, I support it.
Speaker 1: I like, if I was in that situation and I
Speaker 1: don't actually drink that much, this would be the movie,
Speaker 1: the B movie and anything was going to send you
Speaker 1: into a dark place. Yeah, I would be like, all right,
Speaker 1: time to get boxed wine for the first time in
Speaker 1: my life. M hm. So in this first section, which
Speaker 1: I'm going to call so part one, I'm gonna I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm actually just gonna go through the movie in the
Speaker 1: order in which the movie appears and fact check everything.
Speaker 1: So it starts out with this incredible, famous, infamous quote.
Speaker 1: According to all known laws of aviation, there is no
Speaker 1: way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings
Speaker 1: are too small to get its fat little body off
Speaker 1: the ground. The bee, of course flies anyway, because bees
Speaker 1: don't care what humans think is possible. So a couple
Speaker 1: of things, well several things. It's not true at all.
Speaker 1: There's nothing I mean, First of all, laws of aviation
Speaker 1: is a legal term, not a physics or scientific terms,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what they're I think they mean
Speaker 1: laws of physics there. But even according to laws of
Speaker 1: area dynamics, there's nothing against there's nothing that says bees
Speaker 1: can't fly. The only thing I could see that this
Speaker 1: was referencing is that in the nineteen thirties physicists couldn't
Speaker 1: work out the mathematical model for how bees can fly.
Speaker 1: But that's because physicists in the nineties didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about bees yet. They just didn't know anything fools. Wait,
Speaker 1: I okay, I'm embarrassed to say I was. I think
Speaker 1: that we might slowly be unraveling that I was actually
Speaker 1: like maybe a little more into this movie than I
Speaker 1: originally led on. I I kind of took that original
Speaker 1: slide as fact, and then immediately was like, wow, what underdogs,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to root what we do or want? Well,
Speaker 1: that really affects my read of the movie. If the
Speaker 1: first thing you're told is a lie, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it is a little bit like, Hey, if they're defying
Speaker 1: the laws of physics, perhaps the most oppressive set of
Speaker 1: laws in the universe, it would be cool to root
Speaker 1: for them, like, hey, you know, do it speak truth
Speaker 1: to physics? But sadly no. Now it's so uh actually,
Speaker 1: more recently than one might think, like within the past,
Speaker 1: I think like ten years has been like the discoveries
Speaker 1: about how exactly bees fly in a very precise mathematical way.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like before physicists were like,
Speaker 1: there's just no way these bees can fly. This is
Speaker 1: this is magical, it's God is real, and God is
Speaker 1: what evil? Is this? What a weird hell that would
Speaker 1: be to die on? Yeah? Yeah, just like, well pack
Speaker 1: it up, boys, Physics can't explain bees, and therefore physics
Speaker 1: is wrong. Physics canceled. So. One of the problems with
Speaker 1: the physicists in the nineteen thirties was that they assumed
Speaker 1: bees flap their wings up and down, like I guess
Speaker 1: little cartoon birds or something, which no, they don't which
Speaker 1: you I guess it's hard to look. I guess if
Speaker 1: you're in the nineteen thirties, you can't see a bee
Speaker 1: in slow motion, so you just don't know, Like there's
Speaker 1: they fly so fast that I guess they just assumed
Speaker 1: they flew like birds, but they don't. How did they fly?
Speaker 1: They fly? Their wings actually go side to side with
Speaker 1: a little bit of rotation motion, so kind of like
Speaker 1: a hummingbird. Actually very similar to how a hummingbird flies,
Speaker 1: so so to the side to side with with rotation motion,
Speaker 1: little propellers sort of. It's like if you take your
Speaker 1: arms and then just kind of like, you know, do
Speaker 1: a weird dance move. It's going back and forward while
Speaker 1: you're rotating your hands around. I'm doing how I dance,
Speaker 1: so I don't appreciate you calling it weird. It has
Speaker 1: fun been happens. I just waved my arms around in
Speaker 1: circles and moved no other part of my body. It
Speaker 1: feels socially distanced. It's the aligned dance of bees of flight.
Speaker 1: Through this movement the and through the shape and angle
Speaker 1: of their wings, they actually create tiny tornadoes or vortices
Speaker 1: at the tips of their wings, which helps their wings
Speaker 1: actually kind of be more vertical as they fly and
Speaker 1: more air to pass over the wings and giving them
Speaker 1: increased lift. So, yeah, sounds like physics to me. Sounds
Speaker 1: very physics to me. Any of this could be true.
Speaker 1: There could be a twist where you're like, just kidding,
Speaker 1: I made all that up, and I have to be
Speaker 1: like magnets, they're magnet attic magnets. They actually can detect
Speaker 1: magnetic fields. But that's a topic for another podcast. No wait,
Speaker 1: it's actually a good topic for this one. Never mind,
Speaker 1: these are magnets. Wow, they're not met No, they can
Speaker 1: detect magnetic fields, but that doesn't mean that they are
Speaker 1: don't like, take a bee and try to stick it
Speaker 1: to your fridge. Don't let bees near your computers. No
Speaker 1: you can't, well don't, but they're they're not magnets, so
Speaker 1: it's okay. But also, don't letting the show. Don't let
Speaker 1: bees near your computer because of all that be p
Speaker 1: We're going to look up. That's true. They're going to
Speaker 1: get your virus on your computer. That's the real problem. Www.
Speaker 1: Dot honey dot com. And it's just you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Actually don't know. Maybe that's a good website. I've never
Speaker 1: been there. I think there's cops on that website. This
Speaker 1: podcast sponsored by b WW dot Honey dot com, but
Speaker 1: not Honey with three es. Could that takes you to
Speaker 1: something weird? Never mind? So okay. Second falsehood in the
Speaker 1: movie is that seinfeld B has a mom and a dad,
Speaker 1: which I think later in the movie they're like during
Speaker 1: the inexplicable court case. Maybe I should give a summary
Speaker 1: of the movie. First, I was I was not prepared
Speaker 1: for the court case. No, Actually, Jamie and Caitlin, do
Speaker 1: you want to just give a real quick rundown of
Speaker 1: the entire movie in like two minutes for it? You're yeah, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: famous recapper. Okay, So we opened on Jerry suin felud B.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know about this whole working the
Speaker 1: same job every day for the rest of my life
Speaker 1: in this hive. I'd rather go out and see what
Speaker 1: the world is and I want to fly outside. So
Speaker 1: it goes outside, and inso doing he meets a human
Speaker 1: woman who he falls in love with. And it is
Speaker 1: important that it's Renee's lwagger. Yes, and here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Bees aren't allowed to talk to humans. That's a like
Speaker 1: number one b rule that he breaks the rule and
Speaker 1: talks to her. So they developed like a friendship like
Speaker 1: and also like an unrequited love situation because as we discussed,
Speaker 1: she does not love him back, which doesn't really resolve.
Speaker 1: It's not like they end up together, so why even
Speaker 1: set that up? But she does name her flower shop
Speaker 1: after him at the end. But okay, so she's a florist,
Speaker 1: and I forget exactly how this happens. But he discovers
Speaker 1: that humans basically use bees because they go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store together and he sees all he sees all
Speaker 1: the honey. He's like, where does this come from? And
Speaker 1: then he discovers these like bee farms um in which
Speaker 1: humans are exploiting be labor and stealing their honey. Then
Speaker 1: like a labor legal drama kind of dropped the rom
Speaker 1: com at this point, and then we totally pivot to
Speaker 1: legal drama. Something I kept getting frustrated and confused by
Speaker 1: is he went all the way to this like honey
Speaker 1: farm and then all of a sudden he's just back
Speaker 1: in his hive. I'm like, you would think that that
Speaker 1: would be a whole movie, right, like having to get
Speaker 1: back to your hive. But he can seem to just
Speaker 1: like operate back there whenever he wants, even though it
Speaker 1: be a great distance. He spends a lot of time
Speaker 1: getting there. But then all of a sudden, he's like,
Speaker 1: and now I'm back with my mom and dad, and
Speaker 1: I that was wholate How did you get there? When
Speaker 1: you calculate the speed of bee flight and you see
Speaker 1: the number of miles between the bee farm and beef hive,
Speaker 1: it would take approximately seven hundred days. And that's only Okay,
Speaker 1: that's only the first half of the movie. So he
Speaker 1: after seeing uh this like exploitation of labor and the
Speaker 1: stealing of their byproduct that is honey. Of course, um,
Speaker 1: he decides to sue the human race in this legal
Speaker 1: this like long drawn out court plot line, and the
Speaker 1: bees win. So because the bees have won this lawsuit
Speaker 1: against humans who are now no longer to they basically
Speaker 1: have to give all their honey back to the bees.
Speaker 1: And because the bees have all this excess honey, they
Speaker 1: no longer have to work. So the bees just like
Speaker 1: take a very long sabbatical from work. But because the
Speaker 1: bees aren't not in the world pollinating the flowers and
Speaker 1: the and the trees and all of the crops and
Speaker 1: everything like that. The world starts all, like the plant
Speaker 1: life just starts to die. What happens when you give
Speaker 1: people the fruits of their labor, they just stop working.
Speaker 1: This starts to have this This all is happening pretty
Speaker 1: late in the movie, and it's like kind of the
Speaker 1: first steaks of the movie. And then it is so
Speaker 1: like the steaks get so high so fast, Like you
Speaker 1: go into the movie thinking is this bee going to
Speaker 1: have sex with this human woman? And then at the
Speaker 1: end you're like, oh, wait, no, the steaks were actually
Speaker 1: humanity itself was at steak. I mean the entire planet,
Speaker 1: because if all the plants die, it's like pick a
Speaker 1: Lane B movie, which is it? Yeah, I should probably
Speaker 1: not get into the fact checking already, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that if honey bees died, all the plants die,
Speaker 1: because honey bees are not the only pollinators in the world,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, but continue Caitlin. So so he
Speaker 1: realizes that he made a huge mistake by suing the
Speaker 1: human race and stopping their honey product. He made a
Speaker 1: mistake by trying to end be slavery stake. Those bees
Speaker 1: really shouldn't have taken a vacation. Look what fucking happened, right.
Speaker 1: There's also this weird like I don't even know what
Speaker 1: this is, but there's like this suggestion. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if we like give provide social programs to people, they'll
Speaker 1: just take the free handouts. And it's just like, that's
Speaker 1: messed up anyway. So they go to Pasadena, California, the
Speaker 1: one last place where there's any flowers in the world,
Speaker 1: the roads. I was like, wow, this got hyperlocal, and
Speaker 1: they are there. They are going there to steal the
Speaker 1: flowers and fly them back to New York City and
Speaker 1: they do that, and then the world is allowed like
Speaker 1: the bees are like, okay, let's keep pollinating again. Let's
Speaker 1: get back to work. We I messed up. Sorry, they
Speaker 1: just work here. It was so crazy because in the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie they were like, like, you work
Speaker 1: until you die at the hive, and Barry b Benson
Speaker 1: is like that seems bad, and he's right, and then
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie they're like, actually, we
Speaker 1: were happy working until we died, and he's like oops.
Speaker 1: So it was another totally useless plot where they were like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, actually this like be like, you know, work
Speaker 1: from the cradle to the grave structure is really troubling
Speaker 1: and bees have never enjoyed themselves and like what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Why is this? What is this useless? You know,
Speaker 1: like the day after day. And then at the end
Speaker 1: they're like, actually that was amazing, and we messed. We
Speaker 1: miss working for no money and we shouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: a vacation, right. We love indentured servitude. We love not
Speaker 1: having a union. It's amazing. Actually we were happy not
Speaker 1: getting to keep our labor and never getting a break. Anyways,
Speaker 1: completely garbage capitalist propaganda snuck into this Jerry Seinfeld b vehicle.
Speaker 1: I thought that it at very least it was gonna
Speaker 1: end by being like and that's why you know, we
Speaker 1: should maybe question be capitalism ideas. But in the end
Speaker 1: they're like, no, is actually great, it was great, and
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld is never going to pay anybody. The happy
Speaker 1: ending is that the honey is be approved honey. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really say that they they're still giving away the honey.
Speaker 1: And then I guess I don't really know because like
Speaker 1: how do you pay a bee? Uh? Except with honey?
Speaker 1: Because that is their currency. And and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then like but then he's like, but
Speaker 1: the good the good ending is that Barry B. Benson
Speaker 1: gets to be a lawyer and gets to be what's
Speaker 1: called a pollen jock. And we'll get into that too,
Speaker 1: which is basically the bees that get to go around there,
Speaker 1: these buff guy bees, which again we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: They also have like a greas or aesthetic where they
Speaker 1: like wear leather coats and like have like fifties like
Speaker 1: tap gun with bees, you know, like rustling around in
Speaker 1: flower reproductive systems. And so his ending is great because
Speaker 1: I get to work as a lawyer, which solves everything. Right,
Speaker 1: no bee should be exploited without a lawyer by their side.
Speaker 1: Lawyer is famously non exploit Tanner profession. Well, there was
Speaker 1: one joke that I did like that I didn't think
Speaker 1: was terrible in the movie where Chris Rock is a
Speaker 1: mosquito who pops in and out of the story and
Speaker 1: he becomes a lawyer with b Jerry Seinfeld at the end,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I'm a lawyer now I already
Speaker 1: was a bloodsucking parasite. So this works great, and it's like,
Speaker 1: ha hah, funny, fun joke. I laughed so hard, like
Speaker 1: my guts just spilled out of my butt. Every joke
Speaker 1: in his movie ten out it ten No my butt.
Speaker 1: I just kept screaming at my butt. No, I laughed
Speaker 1: too hard. My guts are coming out of my butt. Also,
Speaker 1: Cathy Bay Kathy Bates is in this movie, not to
Speaker 1: what Oprah realized. Oprah is the judge who was Kathy Bates.
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates was the mom. Oh, Kathy Bates and Barry Levinson,
Speaker 1: where Jerry Seinfeld Mommy and Poppy. But yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: that's a good recap. Thank you, so yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Caitlin. That was amazing and so now you
Speaker 1: get a sense. For those of you who have not
Speaker 1: seen the movie, I highly encourage you see to watch
Speaker 1: this movie before you listen to the podcast. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, So don't it's not worth the Larry King,
Speaker 1: Larry King, I laughed so hard, I threw up so
Speaker 1: sience b Seinfeld has a mom and a dad, and
Speaker 1: later in the movie, during the court case, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're actually adopted, which I don't know why it was
Speaker 1: in the court case. But whatever. But the problem is,
Speaker 1: like they keep saying in the movie that, oh, we're
Speaker 1: all cousins, but we all have adoptive mom and dad's
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense with how actual bee
Speaker 1: hives work. So, honey bees, are you social? Meaning they
Speaker 1: live in this hive structure with these different roles and
Speaker 1: they all work together for the success of the hive.
Speaker 1: There is one queen and that is the only mother
Speaker 1: in the entire hive, and everyone in the hive are
Speaker 1: sisters and brothers, and it's mostly sisters and the few
Speaker 1: brothers that are there are mostly useless and just grow
Speaker 1: up to go mate somewhere else. So any dating in
Speaker 1: the hive, any like like parents or something, would be
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. And that's weird and I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. Also, Matthew Brodrick by Matthew Beedric,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to It's like it feels like it should
Speaker 1: be right there, right right, like Matthew Beedrick or Matthew Broadby,
Speaker 1: but it's actually there at all. I like Rombe. So
Speaker 1: here's a fun fact. Male bees what which are called drones?
Speaker 1: Uh die shortly after mating with an unfertilized queen. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're not gonna have a mom and a dad.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a mom and a dad who like
Speaker 1: banged once and died. So here's the deal with male
Speaker 1: bees is they don't go around doing work in the hive.
Speaker 1: They don't become lawyers. They have one job and that
Speaker 1: is to mate and then die. So when males reach
Speaker 1: sexual maturity, they either leave the hive on their own
Speaker 1: volition or they are forcibly evicted because after that point,
Speaker 1: like they are completely useless. They're dead weight. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, get out of here, buddy, either go get
Speaker 1: late or just like get out and die. So that
Speaker 1: I know this is a win from Beef, And like,
Speaker 1: I like the cut to the chase. Matriarchy. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: it is. It is a matriarchy. So, uh, they kick
Speaker 1: out the male bees, they go and join a mating
Speaker 1: swarm where they will have sex in mid air while flying,
Speaker 1: which is cool, which is honestly a cool way to
Speaker 1: go out. But they only got yeah, oh you have,
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen be sex. And they looked
Speaker 1: at you, and the baby looked at you. And now
Speaker 1: we all started to kiss. There used to be a bet.
Speaker 1: There used to be a bee hive like on the
Speaker 1: side of my house that like, and I was I
Speaker 1: was very like, don't kill they don't call an exterminator.
Speaker 1: I like the days and so then yeah, we would
Speaker 1: get to see the bees. We thought they were my
Speaker 1: mom's that they were playing, but they were having sex.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah. If you see two bees like attached
Speaker 1: to each other in the air, um, they're having a
Speaker 1: sex and then the male explodes. So I wish I
Speaker 1: had known that would have been a really formative cool thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're there, they're just explode. So that's fun that you
Speaker 1: got to see that. As a kid, um may latch
Speaker 1: onto a queen, preferably an unfertilized queen, but they'll take
Speaker 1: what they can get. So they will evert their indo fallus,
Speaker 1: which means turning their wiener inside out so that it
Speaker 1: like goes into the queen's um reproductive organs. So it's
Speaker 1: like turning in sock inside out. I guess, but it's
Speaker 1: your weener. Uh. And he puts it into her opened Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is hot. He puts it into her opened sting chamber,
Speaker 1: and the sting chamber is actually the same chamber that
Speaker 1: the stinger comes out of, because the stinger is actually
Speaker 1: a modified ovipositor, which is what bees and other insects
Speaker 1: used to deposit eggs, and bees they no longer use
Speaker 1: that for depositing eggs, but they use it as a weapon.
Speaker 1: Uh So, the uh so, basically he puts his indo
Speaker 1: fallus into the sting chamber and he will he just
Speaker 1: at that point locks on and is paralyzed until he ejaculates,
Speaker 1: does a cool backflip, and then his penis explodes and
Speaker 1: he dies. And you can actually sometimes hear it if
Speaker 1: you listen carefully. It's like a little popping sound like
Speaker 1: be fireworks, but it's the sound of a thousand bee
Speaker 1: wieners exploding. This is this thing I've ever I've heard about, Horny.
Speaker 1: This is great. Yeah, it's getting hot hetty in here,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the be dies. So it's a real real
Speaker 1: twist on the petty more kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, Like a pretty big
Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty big death a grand more. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically, all the like the pollen jocks or whatever
Speaker 1: they're called in the movie, would not be male female. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're actually going to get into this in the
Speaker 1: next section right after the break, but yeah, absolutely there
Speaker 1: would be all like in the movie they show all
Speaker 1: of these pollen jocks. They're all these buff males and
Speaker 1: absolutely just complete patriarchal capitalist propaganda. Totally wrong. Um, so
Speaker 1: we are going to hear the real truth that they
Speaker 1: don't want you to hear the break that alright, So
Speaker 1: perhaps the most glaring flaw of the movie is the
Speaker 1: fact that it seems that b society is mostly males
Speaker 1: and they basically do all of the jobs, which is
Speaker 1: not true at all. Like the dean of be College
Speaker 1: is a male. All the pollen jocks, which are the
Speaker 1: bees that go out and pollinate and I guess they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be sort of military esque, those are all males.
Speaker 1: The every like every bee I saw in the movie
Speaker 1: that was in some position of power was a male,
Speaker 1: except for the Queen, which they never showed like they
Speaker 1: or maybe I don't think so. I kept expecting to
Speaker 1: see to meet the queen and that she would have
Speaker 1: at least something to do, but then it never I
Speaker 1: wonder if there's because there's like too many writers like
Speaker 1: on this movie. I'm like, maybe there's a version of
Speaker 1: this script where they did meet the queen, because you
Speaker 1: see if you I feel like, if you're making a
Speaker 1: movie about bees and you don't That was in my
Speaker 1: notes too. I was just like, why do we meet
Speaker 1: Renee Zellwiger but we didn't meet the queen bee? How mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's much more interesting to follow the story of a
Speaker 1: bee who wants to have sex with a human than
Speaker 1: it is to meet the bee queen, I suppose, I mean,
Speaker 1: And I do see the logic there. Yeah, we needed it.
Speaker 1: We needed like a thirty minute court case instead of
Speaker 1: meeting the bee queen. Can I tell you what I
Speaker 1: thought this movie was going to be about, because I
Speaker 1: honestly knew absolutely nothing about it before I watched it.
Speaker 1: Is it honey bees that like they do a little
Speaker 1: dance for each other to tell their fellow be how
Speaker 1: to get to flowers or whatever wherever they need to
Speaker 1: go to do their busy work. There be work, right, Um?
Speaker 1: I thought this movie was going to be about someone
Speaker 1: getting lost or like getting getting separated from the hive
Speaker 1: or something and then having to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get back home homeward bound. But with these exactly, that's
Speaker 1: exactly it. Watch. I was sort of be owned nice.
Speaker 1: I was. I was sort of wondering whether it was
Speaker 1: going to turn into like the movie was kind of
Speaker 1: flip flopping on, like what genre is this? What is
Speaker 1: this actually about? But when he was like going to
Speaker 1: the honey Farm, like, oh, it's a yeah, like you're
Speaker 1: saying it's a journey movie, I thought Chris chrispy libation,
Speaker 1: and I thought Chris Rock Mosquito was going to be
Speaker 1: there for more than three minutes. But then I was
Speaker 1: that I was genuinely shocked when Chris rock b was
Speaker 1: just like see you later. I was like, why did
Speaker 1: we then? Why did that even happen? Why we thought
Speaker 1: I was in in with Chris rock Mosquito right. I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be like about be Liberation,
Speaker 1: where like he goes and he you know, helps the
Speaker 1: bees rise up against there. But now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that would be boring. Instead, we should have a court case.
Speaker 1: That's where the excitement is. John Goodman and Oprah You're like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? Yeah, it's it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a like I guess sort of Hollywood elite way of
Speaker 1: thinking about a dramatic scene in a movie is like,
Speaker 1: instead of it being about like bees fighting for their freedom,
Speaker 1: it's bees in a in a long court case that
Speaker 1: ends up being bad for the bees, I guess, because
Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, you shouldn't have tried. You should have
Speaker 1: tried to have rights. Oops. Oops, you've destroyed the planet
Speaker 1: by having rights exactly. And also, this is a movie
Speaker 1: for children. Children don't want to see a long drawn
Speaker 1: out court like drama. Yeah, that was the other thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who was? I feel like this movie was
Speaker 1: way more for parents. It was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: parents who had watched Seinfeld who wanted to make their
Speaker 1: kids sit through something like that was as close as
Speaker 1: I could get, because this is definitely not for kids.
Speaker 1: When kids wants to see a be have sex with
Speaker 1: Renee's l Werger, no, I mean, what adult done? Being honest?
Speaker 1: I mean, was I rooting for them? No? But but
Speaker 1: back to back to be feminism. The this movie and
Speaker 1: so many other like like you know, insect based movies
Speaker 1: like Ants A Bunch of Life is actually a little
Speaker 1: better on this on this level, but like this whole
Speaker 1: thing where all the like their worker ants that are
Speaker 1: um most of them are like male, and it's actually
Speaker 1: the opposite. Every single worker, every single one is female
Speaker 1: and they are all sisters. So males, like I said,
Speaker 1: our drones and their only job is to have sex
Speaker 1: and die. It's a cool gig. Look I'm not knocking
Speaker 1: once again a species where life as a man is
Speaker 1: much easier. And if they fail to go off and mate,
Speaker 1: they will be evicted from the colony because then it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't you don't really serve that much purpose.
Speaker 1: Like the only kind of job that the male drones
Speaker 1: do is they can help vibr Like sometimes the bees
Speaker 1: all like gathered together and vibrate to to heat the hive,
Speaker 1: like keep it warmer, and bees will do the male
Speaker 1: bees will do that as well, so a little helpful.
Speaker 1: They have side side gigs. They have a bit of
Speaker 1: a side hustle. Yeah, this sounds like there could have
Speaker 1: been like a really cool like B movie nine to
Speaker 1: five thing of like all these women are overworked and
Speaker 1: underpaid and like we've got that that like that would
Speaker 1: be why God they're so any stories. Yep, yep, that's
Speaker 1: that's the point I keep making. Like with movies about animals,
Speaker 1: it's like if you pay a little bit of attention
Speaker 1: to evolutionary biology. I mean Finding Nemo is a great example,
Speaker 1: because that was a great movie and they actually did
Speaker 1: look into a lot of like cool aspects of marine
Speaker 1: biology and they put that in the film and it
Speaker 1: was great. Um. So yeah, So there are a few
Speaker 1: hundred male drones in a hive, but that's compared to
Speaker 1: twenty thousand to eighty thousand female worker bees, so they
Speaker 1: are vastly outnumbered. And it just doesn't make sense for
Speaker 1: there to be a b patriarchy of this gender male
Speaker 1: bees like that, doesn't you know? It's not getting mad? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: Every single job from nursing to building, to clearing out cells,
Speaker 1: to collecting nectar and pollen, the so called pollen jocks
Speaker 1: are all done by female bees. So yeah, And and
Speaker 1: it's the whole reason that the hives are you social
Speaker 1: where they all work together is really interesting because it's
Speaker 1: based on this like the weird genetics of be reproduction. So, uh,
Speaker 1: bees don't have sex like humans. I mean that should
Speaker 1: be clear enough, right, because like humans, weeners don't explode
Speaker 1: after well, not to differ, I've made every man I've
Speaker 1: ever had sex with their penis has exploded immediately afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you'd be the kill count between the two
Speaker 1: of us. As he's dying, he's like, I swear this
Speaker 1: has never happened before. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: as you're about to go into like frantic reassurance mode,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, great, saved myself about it just disintegrating. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: so be female bees result from eggs. Wait, let me
Speaker 1: first say this. Bees are happiloid diploid, which uh sounds
Speaker 1: a little bit like a band, like a C D
Speaker 1: C has hap happioid diploid. Yeah, and what that means
Speaker 1: is that they both have diploid and haploid offspring. So
Speaker 1: diploid means two sets of chromosomes from two parents, and
Speaker 1: haploid means one set of chromosomes from one parent. So
Speaker 1: female bees result from eggs that have been fertilized by
Speaker 1: a male. So the queen mates with males, fertilizes an
Speaker 1: egg that becomes her daughter. Uh, And that that egg
Speaker 1: and that resulting bee is diploid. And if the when
Speaker 1: the queen wants to have a male, she will not
Speaker 1: fertilize the egg, and that egg will be haploid. So
Speaker 1: the males, the son's only get jeans from their mother,
Speaker 1: whereas the daughters, the females it jeans from both their
Speaker 1: mothers and their fathers. So this has some really funky
Speaker 1: results in the hive structure. So what I wrote down
Speaker 1: here in my notes as funky genetic shenanigans, So that
Speaker 1: haploid diploid, some funky genetic shennanigan. So males cannot have sons,
Speaker 1: they can only have grandsons. So when a male be
Speaker 1: mates with a queen, his his pp explodes and he's gone.
Speaker 1: But then the queen can pass his genes onto daughters,
Speaker 1: but he but she does not pass them on to
Speaker 1: sons because her sons only get her DNA. So the
Speaker 1: male be does not have sons but her daughters, and
Speaker 1: his daughters can then reproduce become queen bees like some
Speaker 1: of her daughters will be fed as their larva what's
Speaker 1: called royal jelly, which is a special nutrient rich honey
Speaker 1: that actually triggers them to develop into queen bees rather
Speaker 1: than worker bees and those like little pokemon, and they
Speaker 1: become they actually are very much like pokemon because they're
Speaker 1: in their little cells, just like all bumbled up in there.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. And they will emerge as queens and
Speaker 1: they can reproduce. And when they reproduce, because they have
Speaker 1: both their mother and their father's DNA, and they give
Speaker 1: their sons all their DNA, the males will have grandsons
Speaker 1: but not sons. Does that make sense. It's a little confusing,
Speaker 1: I think. So that's really fascinating. Yes, man, Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 1: could have googled like one thing. That's amazing. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah. Yeah, So basically, queen mates with male,
Speaker 1: male explodes, penis falls off. Queen has daughters, daughters have
Speaker 1: both mom and Dad DNA. Queens have sons son only
Speaker 1: have Mom DNA. Queens some of queen's daughters become queens
Speaker 1: themselves and they have daughters which have their DNA and
Speaker 1: the guy they had sex with, and then their sons
Speaker 1: have just their DNA, but that DNA also has their
Speaker 1: grandfather's DNA and it now I want, now I want
Speaker 1: a version of what am I thinking? I want? Like
Speaker 1: be the Crown right exactly? Oh, man, Be the Crown
Speaker 1: would be so cool. You get you get doctor who
Speaker 1: to play like a b very briefly he explodes exactly like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the same he explodes, and then like Prince Charles explodes.
Speaker 1: It would just be nice to see the royal family explode,
Speaker 1: is maybe, what right? I mean, like, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the the newer season with Princess Diane in it, but
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing, it would be nice to see
Speaker 1: all of the male royals explode, like, oh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want Prince Charles to eggsplode. And you see this season
Speaker 1: so queens queens can mate with multiple drones during multiple
Speaker 1: mating swarm events, So that that makes be relatedness and
Speaker 1: hives a little bit more complicated than sort of just
Speaker 1: simply all of the females are sisters and are equally related.
Speaker 1: There can be like they can have the same mother
Speaker 1: but have different fathers. And actually, queen bees will collect
Speaker 1: a bunch of sperm and use it for several years,
Speaker 1: just like all right, I got enough for I'm good
Speaker 1: for like for a while. Yeah, do that too, sorry. So,
Speaker 1: and now this is the key to why bees remain
Speaker 1: you social, why the sister bees, the worker bees aren't
Speaker 1: con stantly trying to reproduce or to strike out on
Speaker 1: their own because having a like developing selflessness in evolutionary
Speaker 1: biology doesn't necessarily make sense. Right, If you're selfless and
Speaker 1: you sacrifice yourself for the greater good, then your genes
Speaker 1: don't get passed on, and so then it's like, oh well,
Speaker 1: then obviously selflessness should completely die out. Of course we
Speaker 1: don't see that, right, So it is more complicated, like
Speaker 1: you have in very pro social society's like human society,
Speaker 1: we do have generosity selflessness, and that's because when humans
Speaker 1: are social and work together, even though we're not i
Speaker 1: wouldn't say the most good animal in terms of being
Speaker 1: hardy and surviving. We look at us, look, I mean,
Speaker 1: look at us, really, take a good long look at us.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like what you see. But we can
Speaker 1: work together and then that's how we survived. And so
Speaker 1: through these very this very like strong social connection. Now
Speaker 1: we're not you social like, we still want to reproduce
Speaker 1: ourselves and so you know that's so like we still
Speaker 1: look out for our own individual interests. But in general,
Speaker 1: if you have a society where basically if you want
Speaker 1: to help out and be empathetic and kind and you
Speaker 1: get along in this society, you're you along with everyone
Speaker 1: else are more likely to survive and reproduce with these
Speaker 1: big colonies. It's interesting again, they don't have sex like humans.
Speaker 1: They have this happloid diploid system, so it makes relatedness
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. So sisters are more related to
Speaker 1: each other on average than to their own offspring. Um.
Speaker 1: So uh they are um and which is actually true
Speaker 1: with humans as well. But um, they are much more
Speaker 1: related to their siblings than to their offspring. So they
Speaker 1: are uh fifty related to a daughter related to a son.
Speaker 1: They get you know, basically, the daughter gets uh you know,
Speaker 1: the half their chromosomes and half the the their partner
Speaker 1: the male partner's chromosomes. Their son only gets their own chromosomes,
Speaker 1: but just like half of their own chromosomes. But on
Speaker 1: average they are three fourths related to their sisters uh
Speaker 1: due to everyone getting some mixture of their father and
Speaker 1: mother's DNA um through sort of the like I said,
Speaker 1: the genetic shenanigans um and by ensuring the survival of
Speaker 1: her sisters and making sure at least some of them
Speaker 1: survived to be fed royal jelly and become queens, that
Speaker 1: shared DNA that they all have that causes them to
Speaker 1: be used. Social is more likely to get passed on.
Speaker 1: So the way to think about jeans, I think is
Speaker 1: not like that an individual b is like I want
Speaker 1: to pass on my genes. It's that if genes code
Speaker 1: for a certain behavior, and then those genes that code
Speaker 1: for that behavior get passed on, then that's it. They
Speaker 1: get passed on. They are successful genes. So like, even
Speaker 1: if you're an individual and you're like, you know you,
Speaker 1: but you share the same genes that make you be
Speaker 1: selfless with another individual, uh, and then like those same
Speaker 1: genes are inside a larva that you feed this royal
Speaker 1: jelly and then she goes on, becomes a queen, has sex,
Speaker 1: explodes a penis as we all like to do, and
Speaker 1: starts her own hive colony. The genes that you had
Speaker 1: in you that made you selfless and contribute to the
Speaker 1: hive she has in her, and she passes on to
Speaker 1: a new hive, a new brood, and they all have
Speaker 1: as well. So that's you know, that's how you sociality.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much I'm really overly simplifying it.
Speaker 1: Knows it is a lot. In fact, it's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of controversy. I might like some people are like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: there's this whole other theory about it. It's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of argument about like how exactly it works, but
Speaker 1: essentially that that's kind of the most basic way to
Speaker 1: explain it. So be so also be there's drama in
Speaker 1: like the B community. Yeah, and I mean there's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not just the B community, but the whole
Speaker 1: uh entomology community about you sociality about hive structures. I mean,
Speaker 1: it gets superheated. There have been like some rude changes
Speaker 1: between like EO. Wilson and other other entomologists. It's really
Speaker 1: it's like it is serious. They get really heated because
Speaker 1: it is if it gets spicy, I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: it gets very spicy, right, because the whole concept of selflessness,
Speaker 1: right and evolution really throws a monkey wrench into things.
Speaker 1: And it is explicable, but it's very difficult. It's like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of complex um basically like calculations, genetic
Speaker 1: calculations as well as sort of probability things. I can't
Speaker 1: get into it because um oh I definitely know it
Speaker 1: and understand it all, but um you know, there's just
Speaker 1: no time. This is the time issue. Time issue. Everything
Speaker 1: you just told us just now is a way better
Speaker 1: like seed for an idea than really anything that happens
Speaker 1: in B B. Right. This is what gets me right
Speaker 1: is that it's so like like if you had sort
Speaker 1: of some b like you're saying, be the Crown would
Speaker 1: be incredible where you have you know, because queens do fight,
Speaker 1: so queens will fight each other to the death. Like So,
Speaker 1: first of all, one cool fact another fact check of
Speaker 1: B movie is that males do not have stingers. Only
Speaker 1: females have stingers. Remember when I said that they are
Speaker 1: modified female reproductive organs those stingers. Males don't have them.
Speaker 1: So Broderick wouldn't have had a stinger. Oh, he would
Speaker 1: not have. Matthew Broderick b in the movie stings the
Speaker 1: the defense attorney Humanity, yeah, the John Goodman character, and
Speaker 1: stings him in the butt and then he goes to
Speaker 1: the hospital because, as Barry B. Benson explains, like bees
Speaker 1: when they sting often don't survive it. And then he
Speaker 1: gets like a prosthetic stinger. That's like, I guess I
Speaker 1: cocked one of those little cocktail swords. Anyways, No, be
Speaker 1: male bees do not have stingers. It is true that
Speaker 1: when bees sting. It often comes off with a big
Speaker 1: chunk of their guts and so they die, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, sad. I know, it's really sad. I got
Speaker 1: stuck by be like about a month ago, and it
Speaker 1: was just like it landed on my head and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it was a bee. So I like wiped
Speaker 1: it off and it was like, no, don't attack me,
Speaker 1: and then it stung my finger. I was just like no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna hurt you. Why and just like kneeling
Speaker 1: by the bee, why we could have been friends, howling
Speaker 1: to the heavens. You could have been Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: have fallen in love with just like just mouth to mouth,
Speaker 1: like come on, come on, you can do it. Don't
Speaker 1: go towards don't go towards the honey. Don't go towards
Speaker 1: the honey. This is more this is more like movie
Speaker 1: stuff too. But I was also very confused about much
Speaker 1: like the rules of travel in this movie, the rules
Speaker 1: of like humans being able to hear bees, or like
Speaker 1: how often you can break the rules, because it seems
Speaker 1: like very bent and he like brought up the rule
Speaker 1: in voiceover then immediately broke it, and then everyone and
Speaker 1: then later he was speaking in a human court like,
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh, yeah, no, I don't. It's
Speaker 1: so dumb because the movie explains it as we have
Speaker 1: this rule you don't talk to humans. It's like, well, well,
Speaker 1: why why do you have that rule? And then he
Speaker 1: breaks it and there's no consequences, so every yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. What was I talking about? I was
Speaker 1: talking about stingers for some reason because they're sexy. Oh well,
Speaker 1: someone stung you and then yeah, be stung me. I
Speaker 1: I cradled it in my arms as it passed away,
Speaker 1: and how it's tiny little be hands. Um wait, I
Speaker 1: have a question about um, like the female larva be
Speaker 1: be larva that might become a queen, so they have
Speaker 1: to be fed this royal jelly, which is my new
Speaker 1: favorite thing. Uh, is there any other like how does
Speaker 1: the queen, like the mother queen bee, choose which bees
Speaker 1: get the royal jelly? Is there any other like criteria
Speaker 1: that like a larva bee might have to have or
Speaker 1: like how do is there anything? I think it's a
Speaker 1: pheromone signal, right, like a pheromone signal, feed this one
Speaker 1: royal jelly. Any larva in theory could become a queen
Speaker 1: bee because every larva has the genes to become a
Speaker 1: queen bee, but by being fed the royal jelly. It's
Speaker 1: it's how like genes are so interesting because like gene
Speaker 1: expression can really modulate like what someone is. So like
Speaker 1: your genes that are like a recipe and then the
Speaker 1: gene expression is like how you put together Wait, now
Speaker 1: your your genes are like the ingredients. And then the
Speaker 1: gene expression is like the recipe where you put together
Speaker 1: the meal that is you and so so I there's
Speaker 1: probably my gifts would be that. Like there's some instinct
Speaker 1: about like maintaining a number of queen bees, like you
Speaker 1: don't want too many because that would be too much competition,
Speaker 1: and so this like uh, and they actually will like
Speaker 1: in certain cases kill off like once a new queen emerges,
Speaker 1: like she will signal for the workers to kill off
Speaker 1: her sister queens because yeah to like pa company, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Be be game of Thrones. It's game. It's a throne
Speaker 1: made out of a bunch of stingers. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: is that someone's butt still attached to the stingers? Like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Way better story also than be yes, damn,
Speaker 1: that is wild. Yeah, yeah, it's and it's yeah it
Speaker 1: is like um, you know, be so oh right. What
Speaker 1: I was saying is that queens do have stingers. Unlike
Speaker 1: worker bees, they don't typically use their stingers because worker
Speaker 1: bees will sting you. They their stinger falls off along
Speaker 1: with most of their butt, which kills them and it
Speaker 1: releases a pheromone that signals for other workers to come
Speaker 1: and sting you because you're a threat. And that's why
Speaker 1: bees will like like swarm and sting you a bunch
Speaker 1: of times if you're unlucky. Queen bees actually are very docile.
Speaker 1: They don't like to sting humans. In fact, beekeepers like
Speaker 1: noe like how like you can. I wouldn't recommend it
Speaker 1: because they will sting you if they're very distressed. Also
Speaker 1: don't like distressed bees don't do what's mean. But like
Speaker 1: you know, if you handle a queen bee, it's she's
Speaker 1: much less likely to sting you. Uh, And they're quite
Speaker 1: docile around humans because they don't really you know, like
Speaker 1: for them, it's like I'm not gonna like attack, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use my precious stinger to attack
Speaker 1: like whatever. This is like I'm saving it for some
Speaker 1: like some royal uh succession backstabbing to like attack other
Speaker 1: queen bees. Season four, episode one plotline, right the red wedding,
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of bees. Yeah yeah, it could
Speaker 1: be really terrifying and dramatic if exactly God, Jerry Seinfeld,
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many like just like that's the
Speaker 1: best you could do. Right. The movie we could have
Speaker 1: had is like b Game of Thrones with like B
Speaker 1: B Searcy, uh, you know, like like stabbing her own
Speaker 1: b daughters and then what we got is you like, Jim,
Speaker 1: this movie could and should have been rated are Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: be incest, be like gott to be be incest? Right
Speaker 1: if like all the all the sisters and brothers are
Speaker 1: they're in the same hive, and it would have been
Speaker 1: extreme and it would have been like there would have
Speaker 1: been actual stakes for that in the bee colony because
Speaker 1: they really try to avoid incest because it's not good,
Speaker 1: not good for the hive for that. So you know,
Speaker 1: B Searcy and Jamie would have been in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble. Let me tell you. Those those bees they
Speaker 1: don't take kindly to that. Also, Jamie's would have exploded,
Speaker 1: which would have been cool, right, which for the thing
Speaker 1: you know, really could have saved us a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: So like the whole instigating incident for the movie, which
Speaker 1: like quickly becomes something else entirely, which is just like right,
Speaker 1: because where it's like, oh, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: stuck with one job for my whole be life, and
Speaker 1: then it becomes I want to have sex with Renee's elwigger,
Speaker 1: and then it becomes I have to win a court
Speaker 1: case to give bees back their honey, and then it
Speaker 1: becomes Oops, it turns out exploitative capitalism is the only
Speaker 1: way we've gotta We've gotta start being exploited again, or
Speaker 1: else all the flowers die. But that first premise, right
Speaker 1: of like bees only have one job to do, is
Speaker 1: totally not true. Bees have every job that you can
Speaker 1: do in the hive throughout their life, which is I
Speaker 1: think really interesting. So uh, like every worker be which
Speaker 1: again they're all female, will basically do every job that
Speaker 1: needs to be done except for being the queen and
Speaker 1: and reproducing throughout their lives. So queen bees only have
Speaker 1: like the one job, which is reproducing mating, uh and
Speaker 1: like releasing pheromones. Um, it's sort of like keep keep
Speaker 1: order around the high every horny, keep everyone horny. Actually
Speaker 1: no opposite, keep most of them not horny, but like uh,
Speaker 1: and then the but then the jobs that they do
Speaker 1: just depends on their age. So they they emerge, you know,
Speaker 1: they emerge from as they start off as a larva.
Speaker 1: They they emerge into adult bees and then they start
Speaker 1: doing self cleaning immediately um. And then they'll do other
Speaker 1: jobs like nursing, scouting, going out and collecting pollen and nectar,
Speaker 1: and that all depends on their age because like as
Speaker 1: they mature, they become more able to do these other jobs.
Speaker 1: So basically the whole premise of the movie is wrong
Speaker 1: bees do every job throughout their lives and so yeah,
Speaker 1: good job, good job, num skulls. So it's like a
Speaker 1: starting out in the mail room kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: you were right, right, okay, so it is it is
Speaker 1: be capitalism, and you have to really pull yourself off
Speaker 1: your by your little bee bootstraps, by your b straps. Uh.
Speaker 1: The least inaccurate part of the movie is that Barry B.
Speaker 1: Benson wants to have sex with Rene's Elwiger. I think
Speaker 1: so bees are notoriously stupid when it comes to mating
Speaker 1: because they are in such a frenzy to a mate
Speaker 1: that they can be tricked by flowers to try to
Speaker 1: mate with them instead. So there is an old world
Speaker 1: orchid called the oh Freeze or be orchid, which has
Speaker 1: brown and yellow coloration that mimics that of a bee. Uh.
Speaker 1: Actually encourage you guys, just like google imaging it? Right,
Speaker 1: what's the phrase we're googling? Be orchid? Be orchid? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just looks like it looks kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a bumblebee maybe yeah. Yeah, And different or different
Speaker 1: types of these orchids will have different patterns and kind
Speaker 1: of trick different bees. But this's so sneaky. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it tricks the drones into uselessly humping the orchid. And
Speaker 1: the orchid it's not just that the orchid is a pervert.
Speaker 1: It's that the orchid wants to be pollinated. And usually
Speaker 1: when flowers want to be pollinated, they offer some reward
Speaker 1: to pollinators, so that maybe nectar, uh, maybe some kind
Speaker 1: of stinky, juicy goo that smells like rotting carrion um,
Speaker 1: but whatever it is, there is some reward for the
Speaker 1: insect pollinators, so they will get inside the flowers business
Speaker 1: get all covered in that sweet, sweet pollen and then
Speaker 1: pass it on to the next flower. Yeah, get rubbed
Speaker 1: up against that stamen. Bees do it? So I love.
Speaker 1: I love how like strategy. I mean, I guess that's
Speaker 1: all of nature, but so strategically horny, so strategically horny.
Speaker 1: And but these orchids are like, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to give you any nectar because producing nectar
Speaker 1: for a plant is costly. It costs energy to produce nectar.
Speaker 1: So these organs are like, no, We're just gonna look
Speaker 1: like a be Like, hey, there's a sailor. I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a hot sexy bee. Don't you want me with me?
Speaker 1: I'm not a flower. Look at me without my bee parts.
Speaker 1: Buzz buzz buzz wink. So how I pick up then? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's doing a little hip shake with its like flower
Speaker 1: like like it's little flower leaves, like putting one one
Speaker 1: leaf on its stem and like like shaking its stem
Speaker 1: like it's its hips like waving my arms around in circles. Okay,
Speaker 1: which is how I dance. Really get them going? Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: so the orchids will trick these poor bees into just
Speaker 1: uselessly humping them getting the be covered in the pollen,
Speaker 1: and the bee is none the wiser maybe eventually figures
Speaker 1: it out. It's like I've been I can't I haven't
Speaker 1: exploded yet. I must be onto something. Yeah. It also
Speaker 1: tricks non honey bees as well, So so there are
Speaker 1: a lot of bees out there that are not Actually
Speaker 1: they do not live in hives. They're not, you social.
Speaker 1: They all reproduce on their own and they have their
Speaker 1: own things going on. So uh yeah, not not all
Speaker 1: bees live in hives. That's that's one thing to consider. Wait,
Speaker 1: I just thought of another plot for the movie that
Speaker 1: would have been better for the one that we currently have.
Speaker 1: If the main beach Jerry Jerry Springer Jerry Seinfeld's Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: let's just recast Jerry Seinfeld. But if like the main
Speaker 1: bee of the movie fell in love with a flower
Speaker 1: thinking it was another bee, and then like that was
Speaker 1: the unrequited love story, that's a way better. That makes
Speaker 1: so much more sense than a bee falling in love
Speaker 1: with a human woman. Right, and it's voiced by a
Speaker 1: day drunk like Anna Faris. Yeah, the flower can be sentient.
Speaker 1: I think that's important for the story. It's or it's
Speaker 1: like or is it sentient or is it all in
Speaker 1: the bees mind? Would we have like an unreliable narrator
Speaker 1: situation now now we're now we're talking like a psychological thriller.
Speaker 1: That's a fun that's a fun twist. There would be
Speaker 1: like a fight club twist at the end. The flower
Speaker 1: was in the bee was the same person the whole time. Second,
Speaker 1: I was just projecting onto the flower. The flower wasn't
Speaker 1: even like but we slow danced and it just like
Speaker 1: it shows like the Joker, like the Joker be joker. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I think that that was? That was
Speaker 1: naturally where this was gonna land. So I'm just glad
Speaker 1: we got there. Why so serious? Incredible? Yeah, Another I
Speaker 1: guess untruth in the movie has to do with the
Speaker 1: whole scene where like Barry b. Benson happens upon the
Speaker 1: be I just I don't even like to talk. It's
Speaker 1: just like so ridiculous. The bee hives that are owned
Speaker 1: by humans and they represent them as like these like
Speaker 1: work camps, which is just gross, Like don't do that
Speaker 1: in your movie, you know for kids. Yeah, they also
Speaker 1: mentioned like slavery and like there's just a lot of
Speaker 1: weird likening to really horrible traumatic historical events that which
Speaker 1: again in the end they're like, actually that was better,
Speaker 1: which is the mess, the fact that they land on
Speaker 1: the side of all the horrible stuff. In the end,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, let's cut all those lines in the
Speaker 1: first past like there's just right weird, like weird and
Speaker 1: then insensitive jokes that I don't Yeah, here's another it's
Speaker 1: actually prison labor is good because if you don't do that,
Speaker 1: then I mean, I guess, And you're like, how do
Speaker 1: we get honey, Yeah, I mean I guess to give
Speaker 1: it the benefit of the data, I guess. In the end,
Speaker 1: it's like they don't do that, like they don't do
Speaker 1: it that bad. But again it's sort of this like
Speaker 1: you know, instead of having just universal workers rights and everything,
Speaker 1: it's just like just have a lawyer buyer side. Another
Speaker 1: part of this is not only is it does Barry B.
Speaker 1: Benson upset at the exploitation of free labor, which is
Speaker 1: something to be upset about. Obviously, he's also upset about
Speaker 1: it's almost like the appropriation of like b culture is
Speaker 1: another aspect of this where he's just like any humans
Speaker 1: are appropriating be culture that you love your honey and
Speaker 1: that's not your thing, that's our thing. So there's all
Speaker 1: this whole like montage where you see all these moments
Speaker 1: of like again whatever people appropriating BE culture looks like
Speaker 1: that's the other thing is like they use that term wrong.
Speaker 1: It's not that humans were appropriating BE. They're stealing from
Speaker 1: the bees for sure, but but that's not it's not
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's just like taking cheap So it's
Speaker 1: just taking cheap shots at social justice, right. It's saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's funny like when people actually have real grievances about
Speaker 1: sort of like offensive cost costumes or using culture in
Speaker 1: a way where it's like, hey, we've oppressed this culture
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. Now we're gonna like do this weird,
Speaker 1: like dumb thing or make it a mascot or something.
Speaker 1: And then it's and which is you know, a legitimate thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, but like what if bees were appropriated
Speaker 1: their culture, wouldn't that be hilarious? It's pretty it's pretty reductive,
Speaker 1: And it also feels like Jerry Seinfeld, who literally, if
Speaker 1: they're going to do be Larry King, they should just
Speaker 1: call him be Jerry Seinfeld. But whatever, Like but but
Speaker 1: like yeah, Jerry, I feel like Jerry Seinfeldt even like
Speaker 1: sowing those seeds of like, you know, liberal PC culture
Speaker 1: makes me sick. Like in B movie you can't cancel bees,
Speaker 1: you deal with Can's wing bees. That's his whole brand.
Speaker 1: Now he's like, I won't do comedy at colleges because
Speaker 1: these freaking millennials and their PC culture ruining comedy. And
Speaker 1: it's just like, shut up, Jerry Sava. At the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, they're literally like, actually, appropriation is good
Speaker 1: because it's sharing, and sharing is caring, and exploiting our
Speaker 1: labor is caring. It's but one of the so one
Speaker 1: of the like shots or one of the quick little
Speaker 1: scenes in this montage where it shows like this week
Speaker 1: again be culture appropriation being like taken back and reclaimed
Speaker 1: by the bees, is they literally murder Winnie the Pooh.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? Oh my god, I do remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they got away with like this
Speaker 1: was not a Disney no, so they basically they there's
Speaker 1: a really quick shot of like Winnie the Pooh who
Speaker 1: famously loves honey, they like take his likeness and then
Speaker 1: someone shoots him with like a tranquilizer dart that's funny. Though,
Speaker 1: that is funny. We need the Pooh. I'll give my
Speaker 1: hot take on Winnie the Pooh. We need the Pooh
Speaker 1: is annoying and need to Yeah, because he's not Paddington Bear,
Speaker 1: the best freaking bear ever. There's no marmalade from many
Speaker 1: bears in my heart, but never Winnie the Poop, even
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And like Winnie the Pooh
Speaker 1: is like he really needs to like, you know, taking skill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't wear pants. He's just a mess. He's a mess. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, stealing from bees. We need a Pooh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And a topic for for another podcast on on a
Speaker 1: bear movie, perhaps for an episode on Paddington when you
Speaker 1: talk about how we should we should, we should do that.
Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do it because I had as
Speaker 1: much as I like Honey, I like Winnie the Pooh,
Speaker 1: but Paddington is obviously the best bear. We'll do. We'll
Speaker 1: do a bear. We'll do a bear the bear cast.
Speaker 1: I actually got a list of question which is like
Speaker 1: which bear is best? So we'll we'll have to do that.
Speaker 1: So another problem with that whole scene where he goes
Speaker 1: to like the be the bee farm, where all the
Speaker 1: bees are pressed in its gross for all the reasons
Speaker 1: we also just mentioned. They show the beekeepers as these
Speaker 1: evil like we're gonna smoke some bees. Now. These bullies
Speaker 1: and beekeepers are obsessively careful about their bees because if
Speaker 1: they don't take care of the bees and the bees die,
Speaker 1: that's super bad. And bees are extremely finicky. They see
Speaker 1: a few dead bees and they'll freak out because it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, because it doesn't it's not that it
Speaker 1: doesn't take that much for random stuff to happen and
Speaker 1: for a bee colony to collapse or for there to
Speaker 1: be health problems in the colony. So they're obsessively caring
Speaker 1: for these bees health. That doesn't mean that they're not
Speaker 1: still exploiting the bees because when you and another problem
Speaker 1: with the movie, which is that like when you take
Speaker 1: honey from bees, they actually need all that honey, like
Speaker 1: because they make that honey not just for fun, they
Speaker 1: make it to feed the entire hive. So when you
Speaker 1: take the honey that they've made to feed the hive,
Speaker 1: they don't really have a bunch of just excess honey
Speaker 1: laying around. You are taking it from the bees that
Speaker 1: would otherwise use that to nourish the hives. So beekeepers
Speaker 1: actually have to give bees a sugary kind of like
Speaker 1: honey substitute, which is not as good, it's not as
Speaker 1: nutritious as the honey. So you do when you get
Speaker 1: honey from bees. It's not that I don't think that
Speaker 1: there's like it's impossible to sustainably be a beekeeper. It's
Speaker 1: just like you do. There is some cost to the bees,
Speaker 1: which is hopefully like as a beekeeper, you're trying to
Speaker 1: make up for that by you know, um taking good
Speaker 1: care of the bees. Another thing with that scene, as
Speaker 1: they show them smoking out the bees and they show
Speaker 1: all the bees coughing. When beekeepers use smoke, it's not
Speaker 1: to make all the bees choke and cough and like
Speaker 1: pass out. It's to mask be pheromone signals so they
Speaker 1: don't freak out. So the smoke interrupts their pheromone signal.
Speaker 1: So instead of like the bees, when they detect a
Speaker 1: threat to the hive, which they think the beekeeper is
Speaker 1: pretty justifiably because the beekeeper is there to collect their honey,
Speaker 1: they will swarm an attack, and so to keep them
Speaker 1: from doing that, they do the smoke, which both interrupts
Speaker 1: their pheromone signals. It also when bees smell forest fire,
Speaker 1: uh like the smoke that the beekeepers use, they think, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a forest fire, our hive might have to evacuate.
Speaker 1: So they start eating a bunch of honey, which actually
Speaker 1: kind of gets them like sort of drunk and mellow
Speaker 1: on this honey because they're just like gorging themselves on
Speaker 1: honey because if they do have to evacuate and have
Speaker 1: to move away from the hive, they want to collect
Speaker 1: as many resources as possible for the move, which in
Speaker 1: their resources are honey. Uh So, so they just like
Speaker 1: like once once the smoke starts to get in the hive,
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, it's honey a clock. Gals like,
Speaker 1: we gotta gotta have some honey. We gotta do it
Speaker 1: for the hive. God to do it for the hive.
Speaker 1: And they're just drinking bunch of honey thatose are great
Speaker 1: renew and thank you, thank you, that's good, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, Benson, you want to have sex with me? Human?
Speaker 1: How did that even physically work? Physically? Coffee? They're seene
Speaker 1: there first scene together, I'm like, this looks like it
Speaker 1: was written by a machine of like a wicked AI. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's like, she's like, wait, you're be You're talking to me.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm not supposed to be here. I
Speaker 1: am you beautiful? And she's like, do you want coffee?
Speaker 1: Do you want k cat? Do you want some cake?
Speaker 1: And I would have a taxi. He's like, oh, I shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I guess I will, and then she just pours
Speaker 1: coffee on the ground for five seconds. That actually, that
Speaker 1: actually was the one part of the movie that kind
Speaker 1: of got me where it's where it's day drunken nay
Speaker 1: selwagor pouring coffee on the ground just in shock at
Speaker 1: a talking bee. There were multiple points in the movie
Speaker 1: where I did laugh because there was like I was
Speaker 1: watching it with my partner and when it started, I
Speaker 1: was just like, I feel like Patrick Moore Burton is
Speaker 1: in this movie. And then within Twine right where you it,
Speaker 1: I was like, this movie just the whole energy just
Speaker 1: says for Patrick Warburton. He's also so correct, He's right
Speaker 1: the entire time. He's like, it's a B. Why are
Speaker 1: you talking to a B? And then she's like I
Speaker 1: gotta save this bees life and he's like, I am
Speaker 1: deadly allergic to bees, Like why are you risking very
Speaker 1: insensitive to his be right, because that's like he joke, right,
Speaker 1: like he has a B allergy. He sees a bee
Speaker 1: and he tries to swat it, like B allergies are
Speaker 1: super serious and as much as I like bees, I
Speaker 1: will kill b if it means preventing someone from having
Speaker 1: a B allergy, because those can kill you, which is terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's very She's like, God, you're so insensitive. And this
Speaker 1: is before this, maybe like if she had heard bees
Speaker 1: talk before, right, but this is before she knows bees
Speaker 1: are since she's just like this insects a lie is
Speaker 1: more important than your life. And my husband doesn't that
Speaker 1: like her husband, her boyfriend, it's not made clear. And
Speaker 1: then that's what we're supposed to think. She might break
Speaker 1: up with him for be Jerry Seinfeld, right, and then
Speaker 1: like be Jerry Seinfeld, like gets a gets a B
Speaker 1: boner for her, like when he saved when she saves
Speaker 1: his life, because she's like, I don't care about your
Speaker 1: deadly BE allergy, you know, like it's more important to
Speaker 1: me to save this one insects life than you going
Speaker 1: into anaphylactic shock which if I was, you know, Patrick, uh,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Patrick Warburton. But yeah, like like I
Speaker 1: could really empathize with him because he's like, there bees guys,
Speaker 1: remember it's their bees. They're like bugs. He wasn't even
Speaker 1: necessarily trained to kill it. He was just trying to
Speaker 1: get it from and he was panicking because again, anaphylactic
Speaker 1: shock is no joke. I guess one more point I
Speaker 1: wrote some now it's oh, here's my here's my note.
Speaker 1: Rene Selbiger sounds drunk in this movie, I wrote, still
Speaker 1: a better movie than Trial of the Chicago seven. Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I will not rest until Aaron Side
Speaker 1: is mounted on my wall. I swear to god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a mass beating the beast quote. The other other
Speaker 1: notes I have is that, um, yeah, capitalism is the
Speaker 1: only way bees have to be indentured servants or else
Speaker 1: is the point the movie is making. So that's cool,
Speaker 1: do I wrote ray Leota and this movie sucks as well.
Speaker 1: The sting cameo was really bad, but I was like,
Speaker 1: b Larry King was really bad. But I thought that
Speaker 1: that would have been a better naming convention for everyone.
Speaker 1: It should have been. Yeah, just just see Matthew Broderick.
Speaker 1: It's like, Matthew Roderick, I'm not going to remember whether
Speaker 1: Cathy Bates Bekathy Bates. I feel like that even better
Speaker 1: marketing whatever was. Yeah. Another note I have is, how
Speaker 1: is there still ten minutes left of this movie? Um,
Speaker 1: it's only it's like exactly ninety minutes long, but it
Speaker 1: feels way longer. Yeah. So the one last actual scientific
Speaker 1: point I want to make about this movie is they
Speaker 1: did exactly one cool thing in terms of be biology.
Speaker 1: One cool thing. Remember at the end, Oh god, I
Speaker 1: forgot this part. They have to save a plane from crash.
Speaker 1: It's horrible to look at. Honestly, forgot the plane from crashing.
Speaker 1: There's so much in this movie that they are on
Speaker 1: a plane with the flowers from Pasadena that they're trying
Speaker 1: to get back to the bees, which is inexplicable because
Speaker 1: presumably there are other bees in the world than like
Speaker 1: at this park where Barry b bin Selims. But whatever.
Speaker 1: They have to fly the flowers from Pasadena because of
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl back to New York? Is that where
Speaker 1: they live? Whatever? Every Flora's dream love was like, Oh
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, Every Flora's dream I'm like that and
Speaker 1: so they have to fly these flowers. But then they
Speaker 1: flowers are dying, I guess, and so they want the
Speaker 1: pilots to go faster, so they go into the cabin.
Speaker 1: The pilots freak out because it's a bee, and then
Speaker 1: they accidentally knocked themselves unconscious. And then day drunk renee
Speaker 1: Zelwigger has to fly the plane, but she doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to fly the plane. Uh, And so be Barry
Speaker 1: b Benson has to fly the plane with her or
Speaker 1: something because he's like bees. Note bees and planes are
Speaker 1: the same, which, as I said at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the podcast, is actually not true. The physics of plane
Speaker 1: flight is extremely different from the physics of bee flight.
Speaker 1: But here now he gets don't do little arms circles float.
Speaker 1: Here's the precisely one cool thing they did in the movie.
Speaker 1: There's like one person who researched bees, and that's when
Speaker 1: the beehive, berries bee hive like all comes together and
Speaker 1: they're on the runway. Uh, and like be Barry b
Speaker 1: Binson is like, I can't see. It's foggy. Even though
Speaker 1: I guess they have lights, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: the lights got unplugged. This movie is a mess. It's
Speaker 1: a hot mess. So but the bees start oscillating in
Speaker 1: this pattern, like they have like a flower pattern that
Speaker 1: they're like, and by like moving their abdomens they make
Speaker 1: this oscillating pattern. That is true. Bees do this in
Speaker 1: the wild and it's amazingly cool. So bees can flash
Speaker 1: their abdomens in a wave pattern to warn off predators
Speaker 1: and it will look like these black ripples or or rings. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they achieve that by basically doing the wave with
Speaker 1: their abdomens. It's really funny. It's really cute, but it is.
Speaker 1: It looks incredible from a distance. Oh yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: It looks like magic. The guy says, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: It's a video of a guy watching all of the
Speaker 1: this massive bee colonies the wave. Yeah yeah, and it
Speaker 1: looks like it just looks like sort of undulating uh,
Speaker 1: ripples throughout the bees, like a hypnotic spirals of bees.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. How do they know to do that in
Speaker 1: like unison like that? The pheromones? Yeah, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: assume it's and it's probably by the rustling of their
Speaker 1: neighbors probably sets them off as well, Like there's a
Speaker 1: pheromone signal that you know, gets them to go in
Speaker 1: that formation, and then probably the instinct of like, you know,
Speaker 1: basically one of them gets the signal and then they
Speaker 1: do the they do the um basically the wave, and
Speaker 1: then then it's like how you know, to do the
Speaker 1: wave at a at a baseball stadium where the person
Speaker 1: next to you is doing and so you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's my turn now. So yeah, wow, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like I was on mushrooms. Looking at that,
Speaker 1: You're just like, there's actually cool fact. There is actually
Speaker 1: psychotropic bee honey um that there uh these bees that
Speaker 1: live I think in Nepal, and it's extremely hard and
Speaker 1: dangerous to go collect this honey. It's this red it's
Speaker 1: called red honey. It's like this color. It's this dark
Speaker 1: reddish amber color these bees feed on I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's psychotropic fungus or it's it's something that has
Speaker 1: psychotropic properties, and then they is excreted in their honey
Speaker 1: as well. And so there are these people who go
Speaker 1: to great, great risks and links to collect this honey
Speaker 1: and it's it's really incredible, Like they have to climb
Speaker 1: up a cliff face because it's the only place that
Speaker 1: they can get to these bees. But yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's been a cool movie, right, yes, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it was so there's something so heartbreaking about seeing
Speaker 1: that scene because it was like there was one person
Speaker 1: who did some research and like, this would be a
Speaker 1: cool thing to have in the movie, the bees doing
Speaker 1: this this oscillating ripple effect, because like we know bees
Speaker 1: in the wild do that, and that was actually a
Speaker 1: cool thing, right, Like that was kind of a cool moment,
Speaker 1: and then they just didn't do anything else like that,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the movie like it doesn't. And
Speaker 1: I guess my point isn't that movies about animals have
Speaker 1: to be scientifically accurate, like they don't, Like it's it's fine, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of lots of fun movies that
Speaker 1: are not just absolutely a hundred persons scientifically accurate, that
Speaker 1: have a cool narrative. But I think by looking at
Speaker 1: natural biology, you'll get a lot of inspiration for really
Speaker 1: cool plots and really cool narratives and they don't have
Speaker 1: to be a accurate. But nature is so cool. There's
Speaker 1: so many stories that you can glean from that that
Speaker 1: I don't know why you wouldn't at least attempt to
Speaker 1: look into the lives of bees, because they're so fascinating.
Speaker 1: There's such so many things, like you guys have been
Speaker 1: doing this whole podcast, like you know, be the Crown,
Speaker 1: be gave thrones. There's so many stories you could tell
Speaker 1: about bees using just like some inspiration from their actual
Speaker 1: actual lives. Mhm. These deserved these deserved better hashtag bees
Speaker 1: deserved better. And that's why I wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: two thousand and sevens B movie in the year the
Speaker 1: Year of Our of our ban. It was important work
Speaker 1: that we did here today. I learned, I learned a lot,
Speaker 1: I grew, I got horny, and then I could and
Speaker 1: then I stopped. Yeah, I think that's sort of the
Speaker 1: life of a drone, right, that's true. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess in a way, we're all churning our honey. I've
Speaker 1: got royal jelly cooking up in my parts right now.
Speaker 1: Even the concept of royal jelly is better than every
Speaker 1: word and abandoned premise in its way. How did they
Speaker 1: not like what about a bee like stealing royal jelly,
Speaker 1: like trying to build an army of queen bees to
Speaker 1: like take over the world. So good Okay, well you've
Speaker 1: given Caitlin and I some important homework, which is right,
Speaker 1: a better version of b movie? Please please do and
Speaker 1: have have have us actually see the Queen for she's
Speaker 1: going to be the protagonist. Absolutely, who would you cast
Speaker 1: as the Bee queen? Oh? Kathy Bates could have gotten
Speaker 1: could be promoted from her role in the movie to
Speaker 1: be a good queen. I mean, I'm I'm god. Who
Speaker 1: would be a good like a queen Bee that you
Speaker 1: would want to really take down to like Harry Bates
Speaker 1: would work well because I feel like and play you know,
Speaker 1: I mean if she was really channeling her what's that
Speaker 1: movie where she misery? Yeah, she was really misery ing
Speaker 1: out you could you could really root for her to
Speaker 1: be taken down. I want to, like any anti monarchy
Speaker 1: a movie that's right, like distributing the Royal jelly to
Speaker 1: everyone everyone you're a queen, and you're a queen, everybody
Speaker 1: gets to be a queen. And then it's sponsored by
Speaker 1: girl Boss. Is a real girl Boss movie? Just showing
Speaker 1: the bees in these stilettos, like stomping on the male bees.
Speaker 1: I love it. We'll work on it, We'll workshop it,
Speaker 1: We'll have it. Ready soon. I don't know, would like
Speaker 1: summer too ambitious? No no, no, the first drafted by Sunday. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm more ambitious than you, Jamie. I think I might
Speaker 1: go with Caitlin here Sunday, Sunday on your desk by
Speaker 1: side day. All right, all right, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: You're like Jess. Anyways, I have no more, no more.
Speaker 1: I guess I've done it. I guess we've destroyed B Movie.
Speaker 1: We've plain it. It's we can all rest easy. Justice
Speaker 1: has been measured out. Thank you guys so much for
Speaker 1: joining me today on this journey. Of course, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really enjoyed pulling out the
Speaker 1: stinger of B Movie and ripping all its guts along
Speaker 1: with it, so along with most of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: rest and that's done you Katie, I know, I know, Rip,
Speaker 1: rip and peace. Poor a little bee who stung me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was just like, but why but why? Well,
Speaker 1: so you guys got anything to plug? I bet you do,
Speaker 1: I bet you do. You can listen to the Bechtel
Speaker 1: Cast Caitlyn and in my podcast every Thursday on iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1: Uh and then I have a podcast coming out right
Speaker 1: now called Lolita podcast doesn'ttend part look at the uh
Speaker 1: really bad cultural legacy of Lolita. Yeah, I really want
Speaker 1: to listen to that. I'm like, it's like one of
Speaker 1: those things where when I read Lolita back in college,
Speaker 1: I just it was so like I had such a
Speaker 1: complicated relationship to it where it's like I love uh Novoko,
Speaker 1: but and like he was also famous for being an entomologist,
Speaker 1: so it's like all these things and and like he
Speaker 1: had a whole collectify scientist. Yeah, he had like a
Speaker 1: collection of butterfly genitals, which take that as you may,
Speaker 1: um and like the but I have to I have
Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast because I feel like it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's I was, it's like such a thing where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this book, it's famous for
Speaker 1: being good, and then I got like halfway through it
Speaker 1: was so I couldn't finish it. It was Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I feel like this is gonna give me some closure
Speaker 1: on that. So I'm definitely gonna listen, And I encourage
Speaker 1: your everyone else too as well. Uh, Kaitlyn, you got
Speaker 1: anything a plug? Oh? I do a weekly um Instagram
Speaker 1: Live show called movie Talk with Caitlin Um, but now
Speaker 1: I'm changing it to be movie oh please do. But
Speaker 1: I feel like this topic has to like make the
Speaker 1: podcast rounds because we did it on on Frame Rate
Speaker 1: with Abe Epperson and Michael Swain also checked that episode
Speaker 1: out if you liked this one is really fun to
Speaker 1: do that. We also talk about a bug's life and ants.
Speaker 1: The famous movie about ants from like the nineties, the
Speaker 1: Woody Allen Aunt. Yeah yeah, yeah that one. Uh and
Speaker 1: then and so yeah, I feel like to take this
Speaker 1: gift of the B movie analysis and then spread it
Speaker 1: around spread the love. Yeah, so I'll do. I'll be
Speaker 1: doing that, um every week moving for forward for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. Analysis on B movie But that's
Speaker 1: um my Instagram live show Movie Talk with Caitlin. So
Speaker 1: you just follow me on Instagram at Caitlyn Toronte and
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