Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, ladies, what do you got from me today? We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about monsters or under the bed.
Speaker 3: If they're real or not real? No, no, monsters.
Speaker 2: I do actually have something regarding school, okay, and it
Speaker 2: was a great debate this morning in the house. We
Speaker 2: could talk about that, or we could talk about anything
Speaker 2: else that is I feel like a therapist right now.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you'd like to bring to the
Speaker 2: table today to talk about, because I've got my own agenda,
Speaker 2: But if you'd like.
Speaker 4: To talk about.
Speaker 3: You'd like to talk about.
Speaker 2: What you'd like to talk about. What's the energy you're
Speaker 2: bringing into the room today. I have something in mind.
Speaker 2: But and then usually it's like Walt the hours up,
Speaker 2: she was like, today was a good session. So like
Speaker 2: we'll just bookmark the last of things I've wanted to
Speaker 2: bring to you. So okay, so this you will have
Speaker 2: to give maybe your past opinion, KB okay, because your
Speaker 2: kids don't ride the school bus, okay, Okay, okay, So
Speaker 2: obviously Julian and Jason riding the school bus to school,
Speaker 2: and there are things happening on the school bus.
Speaker 3: I learned so use your path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I remember things on the bus as well
Speaker 2: that weren't great for anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I do not like the bush. Did you like the bus?
Speaker 4: I was kind of on and off on the bus.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I rode it. Sometimes I did it really Yeah,
Speaker 4: like sometimes parents took me sometimes. So I honestly don't
Speaker 4: have a ton of like memories of stuff stuff happening
Speaker 4: on the bus. I can remember getting on, I can
Speaker 4: remember getting off, but I don't have anything that was
Speaker 4: like triggering or I.
Speaker 2: Remember the school kids on the bus. I remember not
Speaker 2: being one of them. Yeah, for sure, it was kind
Speaker 2: of mine. Were y'all separate?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: And it's also what are we remembering and what grades?
Speaker 4: Because that's like a whole another ball game, because like
Speaker 4: when they're in elementary, I remember elementary, middle there. I
Speaker 4: remember in high school, I drove with my brother in
Speaker 4: the backseat.
Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to talk to him.
Speaker 4: Is there anything you want to basically, yeah, basically got
Speaker 4: dropped off at the end of the parking lot so
Speaker 4: he could go to school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Yeah, you got to go too.
Speaker 4: I get mean, I still might get it, but you know,
Speaker 4: Tuck and roll cat yep, Okay, that's fine. That was ane,
Speaker 4: but probably why probably started there or.
Speaker 2: That even wrote the book Rode where do I did
Speaker 2: ride the bus? And I only remember this because Andrew Bock.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't kiss Andrew back at the stops name and
Speaker 2: I would it shot and he dumped me because he
Speaker 2: called me prude at the bus stop. But I didn't
Speaker 2: want to get in trouble for kissing a boy and
Speaker 2: so I didn't. And he was my neighbor, so I
Speaker 2: knew it would get back to my mom. So I
Speaker 2: didn't kiss him. I got dumped. And I do remember
Speaker 2: that middle school bus journey. No, that was a good
Speaker 2: memory elementary.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want to say it. Andrew Boch really
Speaker 3: came in at the wrong time. They were just coming
Speaker 3: a glossom for that one. I felt like I was
Speaker 3: just trying to be a really good friend. So okay,
Speaker 3: I can I know how to roast myself?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel good myself. Okay, So sorry, go continue.
Speaker 4: You don't really well, I was going to say with
Speaker 4: elementary school though, like did your school separate them out
Speaker 4: like kind of per grade?
Speaker 3: No, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: I mean most elementary buses you're going to have your
Speaker 4: kindergarteners up front, and it's kind of go like to,
Speaker 4: oh until you're a fourth or fifth grade, are you
Speaker 4: in the back, to kind of separate them out a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: That's part of our shattering Okay.
Speaker 2: Oh, has there been some intermingling seating? So there's also
Speaker 2: as sign seats on our bus.
Speaker 4: On this bus we've had both okay, and I don't
Speaker 4: really read the bus, but when they have.
Speaker 2: Which it was the first day of school, the whole
Speaker 2: thing leading up, Jase was so nervous to take it
Speaker 2: on the bus, never been on a bus before. Obviously
Speaker 2: they didn't he didn't do the practice thing at McKay's,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 3: I was pret you have a butterfly on your foot
Speaker 3: because I was eighteen.
Speaker 2: Julio were dripping for Okay, Julie Cooper, Julie Cooper and
Speaker 2: I have the same one, the same she's in Michigan
Speaker 2: somewhere right now with our twin.
Speaker 3: Soul boater and and your back in Michigan. She's she's
Speaker 3: still on her food stage. We're never going back. Okay, Okay, Wow,
Speaker 3: sorry guys is listening right now? Okay, the most natural
Speaker 3: conversation though, like and me over here, like literally, if
Speaker 3: anyone else, if anyone wonder, Wow, that just summed up relationships.
Speaker 3: If anyone ever wonders what it's like to be on
Speaker 3: the road or in a room with us, this is
Speaker 3: it one. Hey guys, are we going to get back
Speaker 3: to the name? There? I go, what were we talking about?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: Okay? So okay, So leading up to the first time
Speaker 3: riding the bus, uh.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jace is really scared, and I'm like, it's fine,
Speaker 2: you're gonna sit next to Jolie. You're gonna sit next
Speaker 2: to Jolie. Well, I didn't know they were a signed.
Speaker 2: They'd never been a signed. This is the first year
Speaker 2: that they're doing actually a sign seating on the bus.
Speaker 2: So there is like mayhem on the bus. The kids
Speaker 2: are all standing up, and I'm trying to find the
Speaker 2: window because I'm ready to like do the wave by
Speaker 2: and like cry and you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the whole thing.
Speaker 2: So I scene and so everyone's standing up, and then
Speaker 2: I see Jase come around and his eyes are starting
Speaker 2: to well up because he can't sit next to Jolie,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, so then I get upset, right, and
Speaker 2: I'm like you can sit next to Jolie. He's like, no, Mommy,
Speaker 2: they're a signed because she's in third so she's like
Speaker 2: farther back. Uh, so he ends up staying next to this.
Speaker 2: You know, they figure it out. Pam has to get
Speaker 2: on the bus because she's like, what's going on? You know,
Speaker 2: the moms are all like up in a roar, So
Speaker 2: it PAMs. Pam gets on the bus, and so Jace
Speaker 2: is sitting next to some girl or whatever I think
Speaker 2: in a different neighborhood. And anyways, they go to school. Well, Jace,
Speaker 2: Jason Jolie kind of both came to me and they're like, Mommy,
Speaker 2: we don't like riding the bus anymore. The kids are
Speaker 2: they're they're pushing Jace, which just breaks my little heart
Speaker 2: because I'm like, which kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But then this morning I was going to drop them
Speaker 2: off at school, and I had not talked to Alan
Speaker 2: about it yet, but I was like, Hey, I think
Speaker 2: I'm going to start driving the kids to school and
Speaker 2: then on the way back the bus rides like a
Speaker 2: forty minute bus or something. I think I'm going to
Speaker 2: start picking them up from school because that sometimes he'll
Speaker 2: take the bus, maybe to school and then I'll pick
Speaker 2: them up because that bus ride is so long. Jason's
Speaker 2: complaining his stomach's hurting him when he gets home from school,
Speaker 2: just because like the long ride. And he's like the
Speaker 2: kids are being loud. He's like, there's they're like saying things,
Speaker 2: calling them a month stir like just like being and
Speaker 2: then the fourth and fifth they're coming up like and
Speaker 2: trying to like sit next to them. Well, the bus
Speaker 2: driver's not of the most assertive, like you know, bless him,
Speaker 2: like it's a hard job, right, but he's also not
Speaker 2: vocal with like kids sit down, like they're staying up.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a madness on that bus, like when
Speaker 2: they're pulling up. So I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: And Alan he goes, well, babies, like they're kids, they
Speaker 2: need to just like learn and and my stance is
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm going to take them and not
Speaker 2: have them ride the bus if they don't want to
Speaker 2: ride the bus.
Speaker 3: What are your all's take on that? I don't even
Speaker 3: let me go to school? But I think we know
Speaker 3: my answer. I mean, yeah, I say pick up, drop
Speaker 3: off if you can't.
Speaker 2: Also you live close to the school, Yes, and I
Speaker 2: remember part of the reason I didn't love the bus
Speaker 2: is because we lived so close to the school, but
Speaker 2: we were last to be dropped off, so it was
Speaker 2: like forty minutes to an hour after And then like,
Speaker 2: am I literally seeing like all parts of Washington County?
Speaker 2: But I could get dropped off my own home, right,
Speaker 2: Andrew tired. Yeah, Alan's just more like tough love on it.
Speaker 3: And I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm like, can we meet in the middle somewhere on it?
Speaker 2: But I'm also curious to hear your take.
Speaker 4: I mean, I see boets, I think so. We live
Speaker 4: literally across the street from the school.
Speaker 3: My kids can walk.
Speaker 4: But for a little while, Ramsey was wanting to ride
Speaker 4: the bus because her other little friend in the neighborhood
Speaker 4: was riding the bus.
Speaker 3: So I let her.
Speaker 4: Then they got assigned seats, she couldn't sit with her.
Speaker 4: Don't like the bus anymore, don't want And they started
Speaker 4: combining buses.
Speaker 3: Do they do that for y'all?
Speaker 4: So they have even more people at least for us,
Speaker 4: it's like our best route. Like now, let's say we
Speaker 4: used to have ten buses within our school. It's not
Speaker 4: but now we have five, Like they cut it down
Speaker 4: so it's a longer route and more people and all that.
Speaker 4: So that happened. Assigned seats happened. She asked not to
Speaker 4: and I was like, absolutely, don't have to.
Speaker 3: But she can walk.
Speaker 4: So again, I don't disagree with Alan. I do think
Speaker 4: that he is in school and it's not going to
Speaker 4: happen just on the bus. Sure, so I do think
Speaker 4: that he is going to have to get used to
Speaker 4: some of those things. But at the same time, if
Speaker 4: you can just take him to school, why put him
Speaker 4: through that part of it. I don't think that there's
Speaker 4: really and I do think that the bus is a
Speaker 4: place that it can get really rowdy, rowdy, out of
Speaker 4: control fast. Depending on your bus driver. They can be
Speaker 4: either really mean or really nice. Like it can get
Speaker 4: very tricky. I know a lot of people don't have
Speaker 4: the option to not ride the bus, so I think
Speaker 4: that you, you know, could work through that, but if
Speaker 4: you have the option, I would.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I literally wrote it life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's different just because of Jason's personality
Speaker 2: and that he's in kindergarten.
Speaker 3: I love them.
Speaker 2: I love them building confidence and a love for school.
Speaker 2: So whatever that takes at the beginning and then introduce
Speaker 2: reality as it goes on. But like, no, I agree, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the amount of our bodies like six years ago.
Speaker 2: So I have a hard time being.
Speaker 4: Like that, right, get off the bus right from I mean,
Speaker 4: I can definitely be a tough love person, and I can,
Speaker 4: I can definitely understand that, but when it comes to kids,
Speaker 4: it depends. It truly depends. I mean I can be
Speaker 4: Mama bear and like we're not doing this, you know,
Speaker 4: and be very sensitive to my kids.
Speaker 3: So that just depends.
Speaker 4: And I don't disagree with Alan that Jace is going
Speaker 4: to have to slowly start learning these new things and
Speaker 4: getting used to the older kids and hearing things that
Speaker 4: he's not. I mean, the getting called a monster and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. I would want to kill the kid too,
Speaker 4: like trust me, right, trust me, But it only gets worse,
Speaker 4: so they do. You can't protect them from all of it,
Speaker 4: I know, as much as I would love to protect
Speaker 4: my kids from all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's kind of what Alan is, like
Speaker 2: he's going to hear I'm like, well no, because he's
Speaker 2: in a kindergarten classroom, Like I'm not objecting him to
Speaker 2: be how though a monster? Well, I mean any other
Speaker 2: thing like if he's not in, he'll be more here.
Speaker 4: It's more like right right, I mean, I think those
Speaker 4: age kids boys, they're going to call him that anyway.
Speaker 4: That's going to happen at that age now hearing age
Speaker 4: appropriate things.
Speaker 3: There are still.
Speaker 4: Chances for that in elementary school, maybe not in kindergarten,
Speaker 4: but as they get a little bit older, you are
Speaker 4: still going to be kind of around. But again, protect
Speaker 4: what you can protect, you know. And that's kind of
Speaker 4: my thing, Like, yes, I think we have to talk
Speaker 4: to them about it. We have to talk with them
Speaker 4: how to handle the situations and all that, but that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean we just put them in those situations every
Speaker 4: chance we get.
Speaker 3: I agree, it's my opinion.
Speaker 2: Also, I love efficiency, and I know picking up is
Speaker 2: non efficient sometimes because those school lines get crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, it's the least I can
Speaker 2: do to reiterate my schedule for my kids, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, and make sure that they're and feels
Speaker 2: good well.
Speaker 4: And you are blessed to be able to be here,
Speaker 4: to be able to do that. And that's one thing
Speaker 4: that I've always said too to my kids, like I
Speaker 4: am here working. Not everyone has that chance. If you
Speaker 4: have a child, a friend that needs to be in
Speaker 4: a home because they don't have and I can't tell
Speaker 4: you how much that will start coming up. You know
Speaker 4: a lot of parents aren't home in the afternoons in
Speaker 4: the evenings, and as they get older, they don't even
Speaker 4: have rides half the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like it all like we're blessed to be
Speaker 4: able to be in a position to be able to
Speaker 4: do that if we need to.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Julie was talking about food because just another
Speaker 2: conversation with a dinner or whatever, and you know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: Jason should be lucky that people, you know, you even
Speaker 2: have food. And we come as conversations and Julie is like,
Speaker 2: can we go build houses for people? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: when you get to like a couple more years, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: we'll all we'll all take our kids and go somewhere.
Speaker 3: Which great. But anyways, have you guys do Tory Debido
Speaker 3: is living in Michigan.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions the same. Let's put
Speaker 3: it on. Hi. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you?
Speaker 2: Congrats on the bump, Thank you, thank you, because you're
Speaker 2: doing what November. Yes, November okay, Oh my goodness. So
Speaker 2: do we have an actual November date, like something is
Speaker 2: top of November end, because I've got a November thirteenth
Speaker 2: and twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, So November twenty November twenty fourth
Speaker 1: is her due date?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, on oh, that would be Thanksgiving sometimes
Speaker 2: sometimes yes.
Speaker 1: And then I didn't even think of this myself, but
Speaker 1: somebody said, like, it doesn't matter if she's even born
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving this year. She's born within that week. Within
Speaker 1: seven years, at some point, she's going to be born
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh right, duhh, okay, why Michigan
Speaker 2: because we're from Michigan.
Speaker 1: Oh you are, Oh my god. Well, I have a
Speaker 1: love affair with Michigan. I feel like I'm very spiritually
Speaker 1: connected to Michigan. I love everything about Michigan, all the
Speaker 1: different places we can go to. But my mom is
Speaker 1: originally from Michigan. Oh so I grew up coming to
Speaker 1: see my cousins and my grandma and everybody every summer.
Speaker 1: And then when I was doing Chicago med in Chicago,
Speaker 1: my mom had moved when I was nineteen to Saga
Speaker 1: Tak Michigan. I don't know if you know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a.
Speaker 1: Two hour drive from Chicago, so I would go back
Speaker 1: and forth and just stay there all the time. And
Speaker 1: I just like love being near Lake Michigan. So then
Speaker 1: I bought a farm near my mom. And then I'm
Speaker 1: in my fiancee and he's from Michigan, and we like
Speaker 1: travel around like the Tusky. I haven't even been up
Speaker 1: to the Uni yet, and I'm like, I just it's
Speaker 1: so beautiful and there's so many little artsy, cute towns
Speaker 1: that I just fall in love with every time I go.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm never leaving.
Speaker 3: We have a place up in Gaylord.
Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't been there yet.
Speaker 3: Is that near where is It's close to Traversity Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just went to travel the first time. It's
Speaker 1: always beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you. Have you've done a winter yet?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: She did Chicago, which is like brutal.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've done two winters. You know. I love snow.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is perfect.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. The winters help you appreciate the summer more.
Speaker 3: I think I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the perfect little Michigan heart, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, like this is back in in like
Speaker 2: five it's really charming for a minute, and I'm just kidding,
Speaker 2: actually super love it. We were just saying, it's like
Speaker 2: the most stunning time of year up there right now,
Speaker 2: Like this is the season. There's nothing like Michigan summers
Speaker 2: or falls. I even brainstormed, like us getting a place
Speaker 2: next summer and like letting my because my husband travel
Speaker 2: so much during the summer. I thought, what if we
Speaker 2: just like camp out up there, you know, and he
Speaker 2: could come in and out because it's just there's newly
Speaker 2: things that I like it. We could like get next door.
Speaker 2: Because Alan always like, would you move back to Michigan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's such a challenging question because I
Speaker 2: do love Michigan so much, got friends there, family obviously,
Speaker 2: But like I just I can't do the winter that long.
Speaker 1: See, for me, it's the spring. The spring starts to
Speaker 1: kill me because that's when you feel like, oh it's
Speaker 1: start being like a little bit warmer and flowers and stuff,
Speaker 1: and the spring can be just as brutal as the winter,
Speaker 1: and that's when you're like, Okay, we're done with this,
Speaker 1: it's over. Why is this still happening. That's when I
Speaker 1: start to go down a little bit.
Speaker 2: But when you're putting blankets on your tulips, you're like,
Speaker 2: here we go again. It's gonna goat Yeah.
Speaker 3: So question for you.
Speaker 2: You were obviously on One Tree Hill and then Pretty
Speaker 2: Little Lie. You've been on a bunch of shows, but
Speaker 2: what was the biggest difference between One Tree Hill and
Speaker 2: Pretty Little Liar set that you remember?
Speaker 1: Well? One Tree Hill, I remember being very nervous going
Speaker 1: into that show because it was the first show that
Speaker 1: I felt like I was doing that. Like a ton
Speaker 1: of people were watching, So I remember being very excited
Speaker 1: and very nervous. And when I came in, I came
Speaker 1: in in season five, so people already had their dynamics.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on already, and I felt
Speaker 1: like it had a bit of a darker energy, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't really love being there. I loved doing the job,
Speaker 1: and I got to work mostly with Joy and she
Speaker 1: was so lovely and me and michaeleb McManus came in
Speaker 1: at the same time and built like a really good friendship.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I kind of like kept to
Speaker 1: myself and played my brain games on the Nintendo DS
Speaker 1: in my room by myself all the time. It was
Speaker 1: like a little depressing, but yeah, that job kind of
Speaker 1: made me really question, like, Okay, am I really equip
Speaker 1: to do this, because it's like a very it was.
Speaker 1: It was not the brightest set, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling very depressed. Pretty little liars. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: like I felt like I was there from the pilot
Speaker 1: and everybody got along really well. And I loved that
Speaker 1: job because I felt like I would just pop in
Speaker 1: and pop out and like do my thing and then
Speaker 1: go So yeah, I was just totally different, totally different.
Speaker 2: I mean I could definitely empathize with you on that
Speaker 2: because I can say that clicks were formed. I mean
Speaker 2: it was even you know, more so even a couple
Speaker 2: of years after that too, so and I get that,
Speaker 2: like it would definitely is you know, I totally hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying, and that's sad that it made you
Speaker 2: question kind of the route you It's like, if this
Speaker 2: is even what you want to do, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: pretty well.
Speaker 1: There were so many i mean, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, egos on that set, and I remember walking
Speaker 1: in and being like, oh my gosh, do I want
Speaker 1: to be around this always? I don't know, maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe I do. I stuck it out clearly and learned
Speaker 1: a lot luckily, but but yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 1: really nervous, I think most of the time going into
Speaker 1: that set because I just didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 1: But luckily, my character was so crazy and this and
Speaker 1: that that I got to use that nervous energy for her,
Speaker 1: so it worked.
Speaker 3: How was working on Chicago.
Speaker 1: Chicago was amazing because we all started that out together
Speaker 1: and we wanted it to be great. And I felt
Speaker 1: like it was the first time that I was doing
Speaker 1: like a quote unquote adult viewed show, and so I
Speaker 1: was like very excited.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I was working with like Oliver Platt and as he
Speaker 1: paid the Murgerson and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is so cool, and everybody just was there for
Speaker 1: the It felt like they were there for the work, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I feel like teen shows sometimes like are more like
Speaker 1: glitz and glam and like, oh, you know, let's all
Speaker 1: go out and party in this and that, which is
Speaker 1: fine when you're younger, but this set was like it
Speaker 1: was just I felt like I learned so much as
Speaker 1: far as like acting, and you know, just in the
Speaker 1: conversations I would have and I built a lot of
Speaker 1: really really deep forever friendships on that show, which I love.
Speaker 1: The winter did suck there. I will say that filming
Speaker 1: outside in the Chicago winters.
Speaker 3: Well, and then the wind Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Chicago, but I couldn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's like there in that like the negative
Speaker 2: whatever wind. Child just just cursing at the wind. It
Speaker 2: hurts to your soul. At that point, you're just like,
Speaker 2: I'm personally offended by weather. Okay, So how did you
Speaker 2: meet your husband? And forgive me if this is like
Speaker 2: a big public thing, but I want to know how
Speaker 2: you landed a Michigan dude, because Michigan dudes are pretty
Speaker 2: first of all, Michigan girls totally rockes. But there's some
Speaker 2: sort of grit that Michigan kids all grow up with.
Speaker 2: And I just had this talk with the Californian recently,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of California here now in Nashville,
Speaker 2: and there's like a different grit that we have in Michigan.
Speaker 2: There's a different like learning and figuring out and like
Speaker 2: handymansh kind of vibes sometimes that.
Speaker 3: Michigan dudes have. So how do we meet, said Michigan dude. Yes, well, okay,
Speaker 3: so I he's a director, right, No, he's not.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that says that online. We laugh
Speaker 1: about that all the time. He actually him and his
Speaker 1: two brothers own their family business here in Michigan, which
Speaker 1: a mechanical contracting company. I do like HVAC plumbing, like
Speaker 1: all the things.
Speaker 3: And I made him right now, actually down here? Can
Speaker 3: he get down here?
Speaker 1: Yes? I will say. He did live in la for
Speaker 1: six years. He had a ton of friends that moved
Speaker 1: out to LA too, and he did like work in
Speaker 1: production here and there, and him and his friend wrote
Speaker 1: actually some really great shorts. I watched one of them.
Speaker 1: There was really good that he directed with him. But
Speaker 1: then he was like, okay, I think I want to
Speaker 1: I don't. He didn't love the instability of the industry,
Speaker 1: and so he made the decision come back and take
Speaker 1: over the family business. But I think it's so funny
Speaker 1: because every time he's written about online for some reason,
Speaker 1: he's like directory, He's like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: He's director of your heart and of airflow for that matter.
Speaker 2: So he's not not a director.
Speaker 1: No, I was. So. I just had finished Chicago med
Speaker 1: and I actually just went through a pretty bad breakup
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I got totally thrown for a loop with
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 3: Was that the marriage to Paul No?
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, and I got divorced like eleven years ago. Okay, no, No,
Speaker 1: this was a relationship I was in for about two
Speaker 1: years and anyways, he just ended up not being who
Speaker 1: I thought he was. And I found out, you know,
Speaker 1: he was on a dating app. Why we were to
Speaker 1: get you know, all the things that you find out
Speaker 1: in your life. This is awesome, Great, how did you
Speaker 1: find that out?
Speaker 2: Because people always ask me those questions like how did
Speaker 2: you find out that so and so was doing this?
Speaker 1: He liked my friend's profile accident, oh.
Speaker 2: Thing where I'm like, they're they're just stupid, so stupid,
Speaker 2: Like they're just like, be smarter if you're going to
Speaker 2: do it, And she was like.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. It's like, if you want to put yourself
Speaker 1: through that much stress, at least be smarter about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on. But also he gave you a gift
Speaker 2: by liking your friend. You know, you got to find
Speaker 2: out instead of seven years later and two kids.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know that's the thing, like.
Speaker 1: You can't have a reread, so you learn and grow
Speaker 1: for everything. But it's like, dear God, no, but I
Speaker 1: did feel very lucky that I did find out when
Speaker 1: I did, and it didn't go further because he actually
Speaker 1: went was on the app a week after he randomly
Speaker 1: pulled me into a ring shop to look at like rings. What, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever. So anyways, went through that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to live back in LA again.
Speaker 1: I don't want to move to New York. I thought
Speaker 1: about Nashville, but I was like, let me just park
Speaker 1: myself at the farm in Michigan, because I had gotten
Speaker 1: it as like kind of just a vacation place. So
Speaker 1: then let me just like park myself there and see,
Speaker 1: you know where I want to go next. And then
Speaker 1: I just fell in love with it and I wanted
Speaker 1: to stay. And my cousin knew my now fiance's brother
Speaker 1: from college, and she kind of knew my fance and
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't know, I knew this guy
Speaker 1: and like he loves reading and he just like his
Speaker 1: vibe Like I don't know, but I haven't talked to
Speaker 1: him since college, maybe I should reach out to him
Speaker 1: and see if he's single. And I was like, whatever,
Speaker 1: what I have? You know what I mean, what do
Speaker 1: I have to live? And she did and he was,
Speaker 1: and so we I was about to go do a
Speaker 1: movie and we talked for like a month just on
Speaker 1: text and phone and whatever, and then I came back
Speaker 1: and we met up on a date and then like
Speaker 1: the rest. But I literally felt like I was like
Speaker 1: living in a homework for me. You know, he has
Speaker 1: like the best flannels, He has a cute lab. He
Speaker 1: had like the restored jeep, like the old old car
Speaker 1: that was restored. Like this is not real, this is
Speaker 1: not real, but he's real.
Speaker 3: Yeah there. Does he play YOUKR?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know does he like Ranch?
Speaker 3: Because I think that's another pre record that.
Speaker 1: Does not Branch? And he's gonna kill me for saying this.
Speaker 1: But I took him to Brooklyn to meet my family
Speaker 1: and like my dad and everybody, and my dad's full Italian,
Speaker 1: like New York guy, and we go to an Italian
Speaker 1: restaurant and he ordered pasta and they brought him out
Speaker 1: of spoon with his pasta and he looked at me
Speaker 1: He's like, why did they give me a spoon.
Speaker 3: Pasta? So then when are you guys getting Okay, so
Speaker 3: how long have you been with him for?
Speaker 1: We've been together for a year and a half. We
Speaker 1: got engaged pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: That's okay, I mean we're so yeah, so that's the
Speaker 2: same these That was like six months and then we
Speaker 2: got pregnant. So I just got married with an you know,
Speaker 2: I've a nine month old with my now husband. But
Speaker 2: we just got married a month ago. So like it's
Speaker 2: you know, and when we're forties, you know, forties club,
Speaker 2: it's like sometimes things full little backwards.
Speaker 3: I was in the thirties club and did the same,
Speaker 3: so I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: So that's when you know, you know, yeah, we're getting
Speaker 1: married actually in like two and a half weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Michigan.
Speaker 3: Yes you are. It's beautiful. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: That's so.
Speaker 3: Is it a big wedding small wedding?
Speaker 1: We have like our total count I think is like
Speaker 1: one thirty five.
Speaker 3: You add three more like.
Speaker 2: I can almost I can almost guarantee. My husband can't come,
Speaker 2: so it's just me. Other than we'll bring the snacks
Speaker 2: and the Okay, so this is I mean, this is good.
Speaker 2: Are do you are you keeping I are you keeping
Speaker 2: the relationship more private or because you've had such public
Speaker 2: relationships in the past, or kind of what's your where
Speaker 2: are you going with the how much you share about
Speaker 2: your relationship?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I share as much as like
Speaker 1: he's comfortable with I don't force it, Like if somebody
Speaker 1: asked me something, I'm like very open about it, but
Speaker 1: I don't go out of my way to share it,
Speaker 1: which I think is like also another nice thing about
Speaker 1: him not being in the industry as well, because that's
Speaker 1: not really part of his thing. Like we did a
Speaker 1: little interview about the wedding together and like for leading
Speaker 1: after he was like, why did they why do they
Speaker 1: want why do they want me on the call? I
Speaker 1: don't understand? What do I do? What do I say?
Speaker 1: So he's fine with like whatever I want to do.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's been like I'm freaked out, don't
Speaker 1: put me out there. But it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: whatever organically works, we'll just kind of go with. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to the baby, we're definitely not gonna
Speaker 1: you know, we're not I'm not going really like posting
Speaker 1: her on my Instagram. I don't think maybe with like
Speaker 1: a little rainbow sticker over her face.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited for you and a girl.
Speaker 3: It's a girl girl. And you went through you did
Speaker 3: IVF right?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: Was this did you guys try before and then it
Speaker 2: just wasn't or what was kind of the path to that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We both knew what we wanted. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm forty, so if we want to
Speaker 1: try this much golf right now? And you know, obviously
Speaker 1: it wasn't working, and we were doing all the ovulation
Speaker 1: things to make sure I was ovulating at the right time.
Speaker 1: So and I was like, and it's funny because years prior,
Speaker 1: I remember talking to my friends and just being like,
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling it's going to be difficult.
Speaker 1: Like I just kind of like knew it in my guy.
Speaker 1: So when it wasn't working for a certain amount of months,
Speaker 1: I was like, we should just talk to somebody, And
Speaker 1: so he found us somebody really great to talk to,
Speaker 1: the fertility center here in Michigan, and like, and we
Speaker 1: ran some tests and stuff and I had a very
Speaker 1: low egg count, like super super low and they were like,
Speaker 1: we would definitely recommend you doing IVF And luckily for us,
Speaker 1: we only had to do one cycle. Because I know
Speaker 1: so many people, it's like, I can't imagine it's such
Speaker 1: a grueling process. When you hear that people did it
Speaker 1: for like two three years, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, we only had to do one cycle,
Speaker 1: which was amazing.
Speaker 2: Did you sorry, did you do embryos or is it
Speaker 2: just uh do you still so? You do you still
Speaker 2: have embryos left?
Speaker 1: No, because we only got we got a certain amount
Speaker 1: of embryos and then they take those embryos and they
Speaker 1: put them through like you know, genetic testing and all
Speaker 1: the things, and out of all the embryos they got,
Speaker 1: we only had one and that happens to be the
Speaker 1: one in my stomach.
Speaker 2: O beautiful. Do you have her name already picked out?
Speaker 2: And are you public about it? We do, we do,
Speaker 2: and you're not public.
Speaker 3: We're not about the name not yet. Yeah, good for you,
Speaker 3: Good for you. We didn't tell anything. Yeah, no, same.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I do have a question that I'm this
Speaker 2: is selfish, but I really want to know because I
Speaker 2: know that your dad, you grew up very much in
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry, and my husband is in music, and
Speaker 2: probably Janna wonders the same thing because she's also obviously
Speaker 2: music and entertainment. But yeah, being so your dad was
Speaker 2: a drummer for Billy Joel, Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you grew up in that world and
Speaker 2: what is that like as an adult because I'm raising
Speaker 2: three little ones right now and we have a data
Speaker 2: that has gone a lot, and like, just shoot it
Speaker 2: to me straight, Tori, Like we are we.
Speaker 3: On Resentment Island? Do we admire this man? Like you
Speaker 3: tell me all of the feeling.
Speaker 1: No, I have to be So. I traveled a lot
Speaker 1: with my parents until I was about in like second
Speaker 1: or fourth grade something like that, when they started like okay,
Speaker 1: well school should be a priority now. And I feel
Speaker 1: like being around that environment and growing up in that
Speaker 1: like really gave me like a strong head on my
Speaker 1: shoulder because luckily I always saw these you know, my
Speaker 1: mom's best friends is best friends with Stevie Nicks. My
Speaker 1: dad was touring with Billy Joel time, and I saw
Speaker 1: these people treat people very kindly from the time I
Speaker 1: was really young, no matter how they acted outside of
Speaker 1: when the kids were around. When the kids were around,
Speaker 1: they were all really respectful, and I felt like that
Speaker 1: being able to see the world and being able to
Speaker 1: see these like megastars be very kind really like helped
Speaker 1: mold my head from a very young age. I was
Speaker 1: grateful for that. And then as far as you know,
Speaker 1: Dad being gone, it was just like it was just
Speaker 1: kind of like what it was. Although I will say
Speaker 1: I've always up until who I'm with now, I've always
Speaker 1: dated guys that go out of town all the time,
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that says. But no, there
Speaker 1: would I never me and my sisters, I don't think
Speaker 1: any resentment would ever be said that Dad was traveling.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like, you know, we just knew
Speaker 1: that's what Dad did for work, and like it was
Speaker 1: like a cool thing, and it was just it was
Speaker 1: what it was. I think what was also helpful was that,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom, I think being from Michigan and
Speaker 1: growing up in life very humble beginnings, like she was
Speaker 1: very very frugal and like always made sure that we
Speaker 1: valued like the important things, and I think that that
Speaker 1: was really important. So no matter what we were doing,
Speaker 1: who were meeting, where we were going, my mom was
Speaker 1: always like very very grounding, which I think really was important.
Speaker 3: I could try out that's quite magical.
Speaker 2: But I feel like it's one of those things that
Speaker 2: it's what they know, like, yeah, your kids like that's
Speaker 2: It's not like it's something that he's randomly picked up
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden he's he's been home
Speaker 2: all these years and days and then now he's leaving,
Speaker 2: Like this is just what they know. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like to your point, too, tour, it's like that's
Speaker 2: just what you knew. Yeah, I had to run in
Speaker 2: with a gentleman here in Nashville whose dad was is
Speaker 2: a super super great star like musician, and it was
Speaker 2: just like it left this kind of like taste in
Speaker 2: my mouth of like, uh oh, you know, because he
Speaker 2: didn't feel how you felt, so I was I've always
Speaker 2: just gone like okay, but that's just the only one case, right,
Speaker 2: and that could also be. It could also just be
Speaker 2: that maybe that dad wasn't his intention on his home
Speaker 2: and like there's a million other things. No life is
Speaker 2: the same, but I love hearing that. And also because
Speaker 2: I'm a mom from Michigan, so like we do keep
Speaker 2: it pretty, you keep it very grounded. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and but it is like it is a it's tricky,
Speaker 2: you know, like he does miss a lot. I mean
Speaker 2: up to two hundred shows a year, so that's a
Speaker 2: lot of days and a lot of baseball games. As
Speaker 2: they get older, it's getting more emotional. So yeah, tricky.
Speaker 2: But I mean if my daughter's turned out like you,
Speaker 2: I would just be like, this is the best thing ever,
Speaker 2: Like sweet and humble and a farm in Michigan.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, look like, yeah, my grandpa took me
Speaker 1: to my daddy daughter dance when I was little. My
Speaker 1: dad didn't come to my high school graduation. He missed so.
Speaker 2: Much for sure, because Billy Joel is a huge act. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't like your dad was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this is yeah, that's like.
Speaker 3: A huge a huge two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, but that's I think what you said
Speaker 1: is too. It's like how intentional they are when they
Speaker 1: are home, you know. And I mean back when this
Speaker 1: is a mi episode, so back in the day, we
Speaker 1: didn't have FaceTime or Skype or anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: like Dad would call maybe once a day from the
Speaker 1: hotel super expensive if he was like overseas, so it
Speaker 1: was like you'd get that one phone call at night
Speaker 1: and that was it. And still I didn't. But nowadays,
Speaker 1: with like FaceTime and everything, it's like if they're missing something,
Speaker 1: you can even put them on FaceTime at the graduation
Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 1: they see it still, which is so cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad wasn't even at my birth. They were doing
Speaker 1: a show in London and Webley Stadium and I have
Speaker 1: actually the drumheads that say happy Birthday tory because my
Speaker 1: dad knew my mom went into labor, played the show
Speaker 1: and then flew home.
Speaker 3: So I think maybe I did a connect with your
Speaker 3: mom after this. But yeah, by the time.
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, my dad wasn't at my birth either because
Speaker 2: he was, but he was he was in a wedding band.
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of a of a difference
Speaker 3: here with this one.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my resentment, my my resentment might lie just
Speaker 2: a little bit heavier.
Speaker 3: Because my father it was somebody else. And wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not shocked.
Speaker 5: No, I love your dad, but wonderful. But yeah, London,
Speaker 5: Billy Joel, that I would understand, Billy Joel, I don't
Speaker 5: know the wedding that he missed.
Speaker 3: But hey, you know he's rocking it out. It's fine.
Speaker 2: It's all in his in his later hosand my God,
Speaker 2: which I crossed. Okay, so I can't what is what
Speaker 2: is the the biggest lesson I guess from from your
Speaker 2: past relationships? You know we've both been married. Uh, well
Speaker 2: I have been a couple, but you know I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna leave you into that too, KB. But like my
Speaker 2: accent in the Michigan floating around somewhere, Yeah, yeah, jac
Speaker 2: from State Farm but on the stage. Oh sorry, But
Speaker 2: what is your biggest kind of lesson from the past
Speaker 2: that you're bringing into your new marriage.
Speaker 1: So this is going to sound a little complicated, because
Speaker 1: I never want it to sound like I feel because
Speaker 1: I am so grateful for every relationship I've been and
Speaker 1: I've never been in a healthy relationship until now, like
Speaker 1: it's always been. You know, especially when you're dating other
Speaker 1: like artists and actors and musicians, it just can get
Speaker 1: so complicated sometimes. But when I say this, it's not
Speaker 1: to say that there's any relationship that I ever wish
Speaker 1: would have actually lasted. It's just something I learned that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have crap with anyone, and it's like figuring out,
Speaker 1: like is this what I want to work on, because
Speaker 1: it's like your stuff is going to follow you every
Speaker 1: single place you go. Right Like there's relationships I've left
Speaker 1: before because I was like this is awful. I want this,
Speaker 1: But it was always like a fantasy thing I would have.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, the perfect thing has to be
Speaker 1: out there. This is so bad, and yeah, the relationship
Speaker 1: was so bad and I should have left. But then
Speaker 1: I'd get into something new and realize, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this comes with a whole new things of wrong. And
Speaker 1: even in our relationship now, like I'm my Jared, my
Speaker 1: fiance is the most easy going, loving guy on the planet,
Speaker 1: and because of that, I'll find like little things coming
Speaker 1: up for me that I'm holding onto from like my
Speaker 1: past relationships that I've brought in here, and he's so
Speaker 1: willing to talk me through things and stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have stuff everywhere you go. And sometimes
Speaker 1: the grass isn't always greener, And I didn't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I kind of notoriously hop from
Speaker 1: relationship to relationship. I think I was always searching for
Speaker 1: something and I think like, especially after my divorce, I
Speaker 1: realized I was like, oh no, I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: stay in that. But the grass isn't always greener. So
Speaker 1: it's like, if you find something that's worth working on,
Speaker 1: like work through it, you know what I mean, You're
Speaker 1: not going to find someone that you just have nothing with,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I feel like we have a bag and sometimes it
Speaker 2: gets emptied and it always gets refilled, you know, our
Speaker 2: bag baggage that we bring.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I think it's easy to get blinded at what you
Speaker 4: said about like having like this to see like that's
Speaker 4: very similar to you where it's like you think it
Speaker 4: has to be this like amazing magical moment every second
Speaker 4: and that's just not always the Yeah, reality and the
Speaker 4: good stuff is worth like rounding the edges for I
Speaker 4: think absolutely I would rather have a marriage that has
Speaker 4: all that like grit and richness and tricky and whatever,
Speaker 4: like even cat and you have that with Nick.
Speaker 2: It's like, but it has like depth that way. If
Speaker 2: if you don't have that, you just are like kind
Speaker 2: of floaty, and maybe I'd rather get into the weeds
Speaker 2: of things right right, It's like yeah, you know, we
Speaker 2: all go through hard things. Let's let's work through it,
Speaker 2: go through the weeds of it, and then we come
Speaker 2: out stronger. Yeah that's the hope, right, but you both
Speaker 2: have to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And what I think is important though, is that you
Speaker 1: have the partner that's willing to do that work with
Speaker 1: you and will to go Okay, I see you're going
Speaker 1: through something right now, like let's figure this out, rather
Speaker 1: than like you're going through something you're crazy, Like that's right,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, this is not the one for me.
Speaker 1: But if you want that person that like moves with you,
Speaker 1: like sees beyond what's going on and is like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's figure this out together. I think that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I always say, like, it's not about the fights, like
Speaker 1: couples argue and that's okay, it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: work through it? How do you get over it? Do
Speaker 1: you grow do you grow closer? Like that's all that
Speaker 1: matters to me, you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is life. I just so complicated all the time.
Speaker 2: No, I want to with you, Well, I just you
Speaker 2: and I wish that we worked on one tree hill
Speaker 2: at the same time. Because we would have just you know,
Speaker 2: I would have hung out with you in your trail.
Speaker 1: Everybody says that to me. That's works on the show.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, because you and Janet you know her, right,
Speaker 1: you guys are friends. I'm like, I've never met her.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, you guys are like Hillary
Speaker 1: and Sophia and joy of Also, they're like, you two
Speaker 1: are so similar. I can't believe you haven't met. You
Speaker 1: need to meet, and like, we just have never crossed
Speaker 1: the bats, you know.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that we finally have and hopefully one
Speaker 2: day we can work together. That would be so fun. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: congrats on just everything, and we'll see you at the
Speaker 2: family reunion in Michigan.
Speaker 3: Very excited. I can't wait. It's so fun.
Speaker 2: But I do want to just say one more saying
Speaker 2: you are working with safe By. Can you just explain
Speaker 2: that and where people can get help?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely so. Safe Bay is a youth led organization
Speaker 1: that teaches kids about sexual consent and assault. And we
Speaker 1: go to their schools and we give them all the
Speaker 1: curriculum and they can create groups and actually the time
Speaker 1: that they spend are like the time for the college credits.
Speaker 1: I didn't go to college, so I don't know, like thick,
Speaker 1: that's I'm like, you know those times you can put
Speaker 1: towards your college credits to make Safe By groups And
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful, like it teaches kids to be empowered
Speaker 1: around their no and there yes, and it shows them
Speaker 1: their rights and it talks about, you know, all the
Speaker 1: things that you know your your teachers aren't talk to
Speaker 1: you to you about, and so it equips them with
Speaker 1: the just the empowerment of knowing where they can say no,
Speaker 1: where their rights are. And I've gone personally myself with
Speaker 1: Safe By so many schools and talk to these kids
Speaker 1: and we've had like auditoriums full, and it's just been
Speaker 1: like volunteer time, like it's not mandatory for them to
Speaker 1: show up when we come, and they're so eager to
Speaker 1: get this knowledge, especially the kids going into high school,
Speaker 1: especially young women going into high school that are like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not high school starry college that are
Speaker 1: like the statistics of getting sexually assaulted in college really
Speaker 1: scare me, Like, how can I be more aware of this?
Speaker 1: How can I be more preventative? How can I help
Speaker 1: my friends? What's the code we can have, And a
Speaker 1: lot of guys show up too, because they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: right now, I don't know how to approach a girl anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be offensive, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be this. I don't know, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: And so it's really cool to see these kids show
Speaker 1: up and just be so eager to learn and want
Speaker 1: to talk about this stuff. It's really a beautiful organization.
Speaker 3: How did you get involved with that?
Speaker 1: I was watching this documentary on Netflix like seven eight
Speaker 1: years ago called Audrey and Daisy, and it's about these
Speaker 1: girls that were sexually assaulted and basically how the whole
Speaker 1: their towns. They were in different towns. It followed about
Speaker 1: four different girls and their towns just completely failed them
Speaker 1: and the justice system completely failed them. And it was
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking and so hard to watch that I looked
Speaker 1: up the girls afterwards and I saw that excuse me, pregnancy,
Speaker 1: I get this like acid read.
Speaker 2: I was just saying, like, every time you're breeding, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I remember how how she's breathing like that feat breath.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, proud that you've even sat the song.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I couldn't sit that long I was like,
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like you swallowed like the whole person,
Speaker 2: and they're right there.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's crazy. So I found the girls.
Speaker 1: I contacted them. I saw that they started this organization
Speaker 1: after the documentary had come out, and they were young still,
Speaker 1: they were like twenty years old, and it is so
Speaker 1: a survivor founded you fled organization. And I just got
Speaker 1: in touch with them, and I just built these friendships
Speaker 1: with them and then just started working with them and
Speaker 1: continued to work with beautiful. That was it.
Speaker 2: I love that all right, well love you even more.
Speaker 2: That's so sweet, and yeah, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so lovely.
Speaker 3: It was nice everything, nice to meet Bye bye bye.
Speaker 2: Yeah girl, we'll have her on Wine Down tour one
Speaker 2: day when we go back to Michigan. Oh, it'd be
Speaker 2: a fun one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like her.
Speaker 2: She's so sweet, she's perfect from Michigan. She's perfect. I'm like, yes, girl,
Speaker 2: I love anyone that loves on Michigan. Like our RD
Speaker 2: Madonna talked bad about Michigan, and it's like, just I
Speaker 2: want more people to talk nice things about that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful state. It's just really cool. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: can't help it. Rocky points, can we pull a pan
Speaker 2: out of the leader hose?
Speaker 3: And sure are we?
Speaker 5: Were?
Speaker 3: We just going to keep going past that. I am shocked.
Speaker 3: I don't know this. How do we not know that?
Speaker 3: You didn't know this?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, No, he was not there.
Speaker 2: Wow Yeah, wedding band, yeah double wow leader who is
Speaker 2: a triple? I need a minute with myself? Yeah, So
Speaker 2: this is this is funny. But my dad always says this.
Speaker 2: He's like, he tells the story a lot that he
Speaker 2: missed my my birth and at the wedding someone told
Speaker 2: him or called him or whatever, and so he's sang
Speaker 2: the Swiss lallah bye to the wedding party.
Speaker 3: So it is in my honor? Is it funny?
Speaker 2: And I'm always just like I don't know how I
Speaker 2: feel about that because I'm like you saying it to
Speaker 2: everybody else in my honor?
Speaker 3: But like Dad, you're like in Michigan, Like can he
Speaker 3: was in Michigan? Yes, it just keeps kidding and I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to like, I'm not trying to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I love my dad like everything, you know, everything is great,
Speaker 2: and it's not like he needed that job for money.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not what he did.
Speaker 2: He did it for his enjoyment. Yea, his wedding band stuff,
Speaker 2: Like my dad had a job, my mom had a job.
Speaker 2: It was not like he had to do it. This
Speaker 2: was because he wanted to be a musician.
Speaker 3: Were you early? No, wow, I was doing my due
Speaker 3: today You're like a small percentage? Thanks? Okay, yeah, but
Speaker 3: does it shock you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Sorry, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it feels that like I could
Speaker 2: see it. The wedding band thing just really tracks. That's
Speaker 2: going that's my leader German band. So he was in
Speaker 2: this German I mean German photo. It's like the whole
Speaker 2: like German. Later there's like a lot of German just
Speaker 2: say that you have come a long way and so
Speaker 2: but I just I do remember having bang, like the
Speaker 2: the you know singing this was lullaby and I'm like,
Speaker 2: would a nice to me?
Speaker 3: But that's the later prison anyways, Okay, I'm not like
Speaker 3: me and girling my dad. I'm not. I maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean credit it meaning was so Florida and how
Speaker 2: we didn't know this yeah, but also like yeah, hey
Speaker 2: listen for four decades maybe back in the day, but
Speaker 2: I was like, I can understand if it was for money, sure,
Speaker 2: for sure, But I don't think that twenty dollars or
Speaker 2: whatever was made at the band job was enough to
Speaker 2: miss your daughters. I can understand if it was in
Speaker 2: a different state and then you started and she went,
Speaker 2: it was Billy in London, for sure.
Speaker 3: In London, Yeah, which is so.
Speaker 2: I guess there was a little piece of me that
Speaker 2: just had it a little I guess so trigger moment
Speaker 2: that remembered that little trigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where my abandonment issues started to start.
Speaker 4: As you.
Speaker 2: What it's full by in your honor ten minutes down
Speaker 2: the road. Oh man, okay, well, okay, bless okay, well
Speaker 2: that was fun. Urs later, wait to call Amy, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to therapy in road.
Speaker 3: Don't work