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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of The Black Guy Who

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Speaker 2: It was called ESPN n ESPN words. He says, Felicia

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Speaker 2: Shady Dane says Nick, you This made me so happy

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Speaker 2: you guys were talking about polyamory, though I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 2: in the standard vanilla marriage. Relationships morph over time, so

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't see an issue with opening up our marriage

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Speaker 2: love is always better than less situation. Thanks Nick for

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Speaker 1: Who you are, fully and completely you are. Jim, that's

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Speaker 2: So I would say it's the three seeds. Conversations, communications,

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Speaker 2: That's why I am I'm happy. Here's the solutions I've

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Speaker 1: You were like, oh, Okay, cool, I just want to

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Speaker 2: end of the day, consent, right, I want to open

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Speaker 2: It's so funny how much intimacy is considered like putting

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Speaker 4: We talked about before how it's easier to actually have

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Speaker 2: The Three Seeds CC Peniston, CC Sabbathia, CC Whining, Come

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cop that book.

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Speaker 3: The book is worth it, y'all.

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Speaker 2: The book is I'm telling the truth, but I'm lying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, man. It's funny.

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Speaker 2: If you want to lose weight, you get a fucking

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Speaker 1: If you want to know everything else how specialists. But

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Speaker 2: It's like where your cry every time a movie about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say you can't watch scary moves. I have

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Speaker 2: It's probably nothing, all right, you says so twenty three

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Speaker 2: My whole government says, just letting y'all know that the

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Speaker 1: Shout out to your Christmas addicts. I see y'all. It's

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Speaker 2: But I switched to Boost Mobile and it's all well now. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I feel you the Paul. Have you ever been texted

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Speaker 2: No, Karen's never been texted by a demon? Well, y'all

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Speaker 2: Ready to spray demons. Spray them sis. Okay, do what

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Speaker 1: And we have one comment. Twenty three seventy adversity higher.

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Speaker 2: You gotta like if you like if you love Arby's,

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Speaker 2: This woman says she loved Arvey's and never eats it,

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Speaker 2: You think if they was giving out fucking Rby's certificates,

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Speaker 1: You lost your mind. You probably don't even like Arby's.

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Speaker 2: No, or accidentally I do that shit on purpose? If

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Speaker 1: No, Care has never been harassed.

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Speaker 1: Lol.

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Speaker 2: It's easier to say hey, ladies instead of everyone's individual names.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to sound too country and say y'all,

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Speaker 3: Go y'all because it's just easier and simpler to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just go y'all because it's one of the

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Speaker 4: go out here and give speeches and shit and say

440
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: y'all and it's all good. Nope, I'm saying y'all.

441
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: It's not even that much start put into it. For me.

442
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: I grew up saying y'all.

443
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So no, there's not a bunch of considerations I

444
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: have behind saying y'all.

445
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: It's my default.

446
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: I also grew up saying man as a catch y'all,

447
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: same way some people say guys, the same way some

448
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: people gave people say sis.

449
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: But I think I can't speak for other people, obviously.

450
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: But I'm also just not a person that gets offended

451
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: or it doesn't bother me when someone calls me an

452
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: inclusive term that they use within their community, and I

453
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: guess by transitive properties, no pun intended. I feel that

454
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: that way too, Like if I am talking to you

455
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: and I just get carried away and be like, nah

456
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: bro or no, you know, nah bro or noth fam

457
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck I don't. I don't mean it.

458
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, dam is not a good one, but nah man,

459
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: come on, man, Like that's me going. We're familiar with

460
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: each other. And I think the internet took something. The

461
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: Internet mixed with academia took some of that from people,

462
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: because then you got all these people that almost are

463
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: too studious, too worried.

464
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: About little shit.

465
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: I hate to call it a little shit, but that's what

466
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: it is for a lot of folks, compared to the

467
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: issues that really hamper our lives.

468
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't you know.

469
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: It's like what word do you call black people? I

470
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: don't know, but I would like you to remove some

471
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: of these obstacles institutionally that are in my way. You

472
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, good, would it be nice

473
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: for you to call me some different? Sure, but there's

474
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: a bunch of other priorities I have as well that

475
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: won't be addressed. But my point being, like those terms

476
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: of inclusion don't bother me. So when I have friends,

477
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: like a gay person called me sis, I don't that

478
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me. And my obviously women friends call me

479
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: girl and all that shit doesn't bother me at all.

480
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: But I do know some men that feel away about that.

481
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I feel a way about

482
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: people having issues with pronouns and how they're addressed, and

483
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: I just don't understand that logic.

484
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for me, I don't have a problem with

485
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 3: that either. I know that I.

486
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 4: Messed with you and you call me bro, you know,

487
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 4: but in general when I'm talking to people that some people,

488
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: when they do bro, they use bros as a form

489
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: of y'all, if that makes sense, Like it's it's just

490
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: kind of it's a and I had to learn to

491
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: that's how people talk. And once I learned, I say, oh,

492
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: you don't mean a home, but it's okay. So that

493
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: don't bother me at all.

494
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Speaker 2: And I don't even think I do the bro stuff

495
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: with you like that, Like if I do what I

496
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: might do as yo, yeah, poking yeah, like, I'm pretty.

497
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: Good with my shit.

498
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: It's just you're gonna slip, and I just my guess

499
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: is the vast majority of us what it was? It

500
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: ninety four percent of our audience has never been chastised

501
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: for accidentally you in the wrong pronouns because I just

502
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: don't think that happens that often. I think, and especially

503
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: in person, and especially by someone you know. I've had

504
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: people try that shit, like on social media, where it's

505
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: a like they like, I've seen this happen, and you

506
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: don't even know if these are real people.

507
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: They could be bots.

508
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes there are troths that do this on purpose, but

509
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: they'll say something contra like fucked up, controversial, whatever. When

510
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: people replied to it, and you haven't looked at their

511
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: bio first, you might not know that they go by

512
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: day them or he heard what you know, you might

513
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: not know that. So then they'll use the fact that

514
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: y'all are having a disagreement and you don't know how to.

515
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: Address them you didn't look it up.

516
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: And especially with that when it first started, when people

517
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: first started putting pronouns in bios, there would be people

518
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: that would try to distract from the fact you were

519
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: making a good point with well, look at you misgendering me,

520
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, this seems more like a gotchat

521
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 2: thing than a like you just said that, I don't know,

522
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: black people should all vote Republican. I was like, man,

523
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: you need to chill with that, and then you went

524
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a man or something. It's like, oh, okay,

525
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: I see what this is. Now I have to be conciliatory.

526
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: And though I didn't mean to say.

527
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: That, I didn't look at your bio.

528
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: Oh here, and then it's like you get to go

529
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: on a whole different tangent that's not about the fact

530
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: you just told everybody black people need to vote republic right.

531
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: So so like some people do it almost like a

532
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: rhetorical like some people do it as a method on

533
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: social media to do it. And there were also people

534
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: who are invested in this from the troll message boards

535
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: that would put stuff up there to be to be

536
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: funny because they knew liberal people would argue with them

537
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: and be caught up in these contradictions. That was like

538
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: a thing going around on their message boards like put

539
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: this in your bio, put a black woman's faces in

540
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: your bio, say your say your gender is blank.

541
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: And then so everything was like a catch all.

542
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, how how rude of you to

543
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: say blank to me after I just said that people

544
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: who identify as pedophiles should have their own their their

545
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: own marginalized community. And when you're like, what the fuck

546
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: are you talking about? This is crazy?

547
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa whoa? That's able us to call me crazy

548
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: something like that.

549
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: And so people do spend time arguing with those bots

550
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: and trolls on Twitter.

551
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Off of that shit.

552
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: They do it waste of time.

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: But just I wonder how many genuinely people have been, like,

554
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, harassed about it.

555
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: I think corrected is not harassment.

556
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: Corrected is different. Yeah, harassment, Yes.

557
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: I think people's fear is to be harassed, yeah, even

558
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: though it correction is different.

559
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: Right, And for most people it's not gonna happen, but

560
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 4: that fear causes them to respond like it's always going

561
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 4: to happen.

562
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: Exactly, And a lot of that fear comes from a

563
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: good place, but you but people need to focus on

564
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: that energy and twist it into and to twist it

565
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: on itself. Focus, take the anxiety and twist it onto

566
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: itself rather than or untwisted. I guess take the anxiety

567
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: and unfold it, and then think about where it's coming from,

568
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: because if it's coming from I don't want to mess up.

569
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to disrespect. I want I'm a good person.

570
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: I want you to know I'm good, and I want

571
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: to communicate that to you, that you can trust me

572
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: and that I would never try.

573
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: To add to the pile of shit that you have

574
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: to deal with.

575
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Right that's where if it's coming from there, you can

576
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: work with that. If it's coming from some other like

577
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: an evil, ugly, twisted place, then then it's never gonna

578
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: work out for you. Joe says, I want to jokingly

579
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: say no, I only use proper pronouns, but this only works.

580
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: If you hear it in the snoody rich god's voice.

581
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean. I also doubt that anybody. I

582
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: doubt there's anybody on the planet that hasn't made a mistake.

583
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. If you trains a.

584
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Non binary, you may have fucked up too at some point,

585
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: because we all got grown, we.

586
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: All got taught this shit.

587
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

588
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Evie, he says, I actually miss gendered the non binary

589
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: person to call them a girl. They corrected me I

590
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: apologize and apology was accepted. I definitely think most people

591
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: are understand intent and respond accordingly unless they were looking

592
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: for an argument. Yeah right, Yes, It's like how you

593
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: understand intent until it comes to Arby's and then all

594
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're looking for an argument with me.

595
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: All right, let's get the uh to the We have voicemails.

596
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a short one. Probably we got voicemails.

597
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Here's the one from Tuesday, and they left three voicemails.

598
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 5: Hi, you guys, this is Katrina at number one feeling

599
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: on Twitter. Sometimes I'll just three tweet quotes by you guys.

600
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: I hope you can hear this. I'm literally sitting in

601
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: front of a paper where I've jotted down notes about

602
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: things I want to email you guys about for like

603
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: weeks now and haven't had sometimes a set Fuck it,

604
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to leave a voicemail. First of all,

605
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 5: I love you guys. You're an everyday part of my life.

606
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful for this podcast. You've been getting me

607
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: through so much since December twenty fifteen, when I tuned

608
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 5: in and was then a matter of getting through all

609
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: of your available episode episodes in like a couple of days.

610
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 5: I was like Year's New Year's eve, I'm going to

611
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: go premium, and I've been premium since January twenty sixteen

612
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: and never looked back anyway. I called you because I

613
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: was listening to the episode with Bassi who I Love,

614
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 5: and I had to stop it at the point where

615
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 5: you guys started talking about where.

616
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Speaker 1: She mentioned.

617
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Speaker 5: That it's not respectability politics where she grew up with

618
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: her you know, Nigerian parents saying you can't leave this

619
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 5: house looking on love, because that's exactly the kind of

620
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: phrase I grew up with a Jamaican and it's funny.

621
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: I don't have children, but I do have dogs, and

622
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 5: so they're like my children. I literally say that to them,

623
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 5: like come here, let me brush your fur, let me

624
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: detangle you so that you look like somebody loves you

625
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 5: when we go outside for a walk or I'm dropping

626
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: you off at the city. So I completely agree with

627
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: her and just the whole discussion that you guys have

628
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: been having about social media and just how we are

629
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: so mired in our own, like in a cocoon of

630
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: our own selfishness, we can't see each other. I'm gonna

631
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: have to call back for the second one.

632
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: All right's go to the next one.

633
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: It's at number one.

634
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Feeling again.

635
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try not to talk so fast because I

636
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: know this skype lady is gonna cut me off. I

637
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: wanted to say on the subject of dogs and social media,

638
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: they are related. I have been learning a lot by

639
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 5: about trauma responses. Funny but comparing a lot between what

640
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: I see my dogs go through and thinking about what

641
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: I see on Twitter. So I have two dogs. I'm

642
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: their second parent because the first owners couldn't take care

643
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: of them anymore. But they came to me with some problems.

644
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: One of them has some anxiety issues. They have some trauma.

645
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: It's apparent to me from some kind of border terrier dog,

646
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 5: because they go eight shit when they see a border terrier.

647
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: If they even smell a border terrier.

648
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: But while they were with me, we had this incident

649
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: where we were walking and this guy on a bicycle

650
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 5: butz by the littlest one, like so close, I'm sure

651
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: she could see them on a tail and the sound

652
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: of the bicycle, the whirrying of the wheels like it

653
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: has embedded in her ear. He didn't get her, but

654
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 5: scare the shit out of her so much. If she

655
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: even hears a bicycle going by, she starts jumping and

656
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: barking insanely, which is, you know, it's a fear response.

657
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: Other people lash out and relating this back to social media,

658
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 5: people lash out and they preemptively strike you. A lot

659
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: of it is based on the fear that they're gonna

660
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 5: get hurt in that way again, the you know, being

661
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: triggered if you will, by the things that they see

662
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: somebody else going through, and they start projecting onto them

663
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: the way they wish they had responded to, wish they

664
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 5: would respond to something like that would happen again. Let

665
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: me call back again last time.

666
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: All right, got to the next one, last one, Katrina again.

667
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, I observe these things in them, and you know,

668
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: we've tried various things to, you know, help them calm down.

669
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 5: And I haven't invested in dogs therapy because I'm not

670
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 5: that crazy at a dog lady, but I do try

671
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 5: my best. But I see how easy it is for

672
00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 5: people who have untreated like trauma. That's so that's buried,

673
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: whether they're conscious of it, and sometimes even if they

674
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 5: are conscious of it, As you said, one of the

675
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: last things people want to do is kind of wrestle

676
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: in that arena with themselves, and it's easier to lash

677
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 5: out at other people. And the thing is, the worst

678
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 5: off you are, the more you need to lash out

679
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: to keep those insecurities, that worry, that fear at bay.

680
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 5: And I can see how with social media discycle that

681
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: repeats itself of having to continually engage in behavior that

682
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: re affirms that they're okay.

683
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: That they're right just as they are, they don't.

684
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: Have to deal with themselves or take any responsibilities for

685
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 5: their bad behavior, that it gets out of hand. Oh

686
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: and the last thing I wanted to say, Vassi also

687
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: brought up about, and you guys did too, about how

688
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 5: these negative, really wild things get attached to blackness. It

689
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: makes me come I'm so glad you say that, because

690
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 5: I got into an argument with someone back in twenty fifteen,

691
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: and it was based on an academic piece that I wrote. No,

692
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: I didn't write, somebody else wrote it and I and

693
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: I read it, and in the tags on my tumbler,

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 5: I was like, the article was good, but I took

695
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 5: issue with the fact that they couldn't read blackness and

696
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 5: anything that wasn't quote unquote bratchet. So if it wasn't

697
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: about a bonnet, a headguard, or cursing somebody out or

698
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 5: reading somebody, then it wasn't black, which I just thought

699
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 5: was complete bullshit.

700
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call back now.

701
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: I'll leave you all alone.

702
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: Thank you.

703
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: Calling in.

704
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: That was the that we appreciate it, and I think

705
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: you touched on a lot of stuff. And it's something

706
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: like I said, it's the kind of conversations we have

707
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: in house versus out house quote unquote that's fine, terrible term.

708
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: A certain kind of versations we have come from love

709
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: and then these conversations.

710
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Now with social media, there's no in house.

711
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: Everything's outside the house, and so a great conversation is

712
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: about appearance and what that means because stuff like I

713
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: don't like I personally, my personal belief. I don't know

714
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: this woman, but this is just my personal belief. I

715
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: don't think Monique is saying what she's saying out of

716
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: respectability in the way that people are taking it and

717
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: turning into this is really about her caring what white

718
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: people think. I don't because I have aunts, I have

719
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: a mom, I had a grandmother, and those things were

720
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: honestly because they cared about me, because our appearance does

721
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: say something about what's going on inside of us. The

722
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: first thing people see is your parents. And I don't

723
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: mean that judging. I mean that by my grandmother knows

724
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: what I look like happy. While I was like happy,

725
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: they also know what I look like sad. You know

726
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: your friends know. I remember one time when I lost

727
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: my job and I was trying to make this podcast monetize.

728
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: My friend Tied Focused.

729
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: My friend Tie, who I played basketball with, came up

730
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: to me and was it was like, hey, man, what's

731
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: what's up with you?

732
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: You're good?

733
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I'm good man, you know,

734
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: just just you know, doing my thing. And he was

735
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: like he was like you just grinded, huh. And I

736
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: was like yeah, and he was like yeah, I could tell.

737
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, you say that. He was

738
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: like the way you grew your beard out and as

739
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: another black man telling me that, it took that moment

740
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: for me to realize, oh, yeah, this.

741
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Is my survival mode.

742
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know they shaved.

743
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just it wasn't just that I shaved.

744
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to like the barbershop to get it done.

745
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't trimming it up that much. I was just like,

746
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know that I had that many products.

747
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Or anything in it. It was just legitimate.

748
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: Like, bro, all I think about is if we're gonna

749
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: be able to live during this show or and if not,

750
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: will I have risked everything to and fucked up my whole,

751
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, financial situation because I bet on this podcast

752
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: and it didn't work out. But he knew that, and

753
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: he told me that sitting down on a bench. If

754
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: he would have said that out loud to Twitter, like

755
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: you can always tell about black man beard when they

756
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: grinding us some shit, that would be somebody you know,

757
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: like whatever, Like that's not what that means at all.

758
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I grew my beard when I was rich and everything.

759
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: It's like, aha, well he you know he can tell

760
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: me that probably, and there's a lot of understanding and respect,

761
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: and yes he's judging my appearance, and yes that's not

762
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: that flattering of a sentiment.

763
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: It could be your clothing choice, how your hair is done.

764
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Those things do tell us a story about each other,

765
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: but it's normally we most of us prefer that to

766
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: hear that if to either never hear that, or if

767
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna hear that, to hear from somebody we have

768
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: a relationship with that can be like, Hey, Karen, I said,

769
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: you're leaving the house in your bonder.

770
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Is everything all right? Right?

771
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: Because I know that's kind of out of that, you know,

772
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: you these people know you said, Okay, Karen, I know

773
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: that's out of character for you, Like, like, what is happening?

774
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: What's going on? You know?

775
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: Do we need to talk? You know, because that's coming

776
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: from a place of love.

777
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's do you give people the benefit of

778
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: the doubta do you not?

779
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: Right?

780
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: I've really been trying to transform my entire view in

781
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: life over the past couple of years with that, because

782
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: I found that it's really helped me. It's really increased

783
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: my peacefulness and my happiness in general, and a lot

784
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: it's helped me to be a lot mentally healthier. To say,

785
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna engage this as if everybody.

786
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Means the worst all the time.

787
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna engage and look, sometimes I work backwards when

788
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: I get there, Like some times I'm like, well, what.

789
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Could that mean? Fuck?

790
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: They meant that it's a bad way. There's a bad way.

791
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: They only meant it in a bad way. There's no good,

792
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 2: positive thing about this. But sometimes it's like, yeah, I see,

793
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: actually how you got there. And you know, if you

794
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: were my aunt and you said that shit at Thanksgiving,

795
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I would just laugh and move on

796
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: like shit.

797
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: I guarantee you.

798
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: I've had an aunt make of these girls out here

799
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: dressing in blanks rant and it probably was hilarious. And

800
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: I probably was laughing like shit at Thanksgiving, and then

801
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: I went about my fucking business because at the end

802
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: of the day, she's not It doesn't matter that she

803
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: feels that way in general. You know. It's so I

804
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: think that's a big part of it for me, where

805
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about looking unloved and stuff that's

806
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: an in house thing, like like if my mom pulled

807
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: me to the side and say, hey, pull your pants up,

808
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: don't walk out of here looking like you from the

809
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: streets or whatever.

810
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: I know exactly what she means. That woman raised me,

811
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and I know she doesn't.

812
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: She's not saying that because she hates black people, hates

813
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: herself because she's a coon.

814
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: That's not what she meansp you know what I mean.

815
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: My dad, you know, there were certain times he wanted

816
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: my diction to be better, Like, he wanted to make

817
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: sure I had the ability to code switch. And what

818
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: people don't understand, code switching is a skill and then

819
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 2: it's a useful fucking skill.

820
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has, but it has to be learned.

821
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: It has to be learned, and that means it has

822
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: to be taught, right, And my dad taught me how

823
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: to code switch and wanted to make sure I had

824
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: the ability to do so. And it's been a great

825
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: skill that I've used my whole life. It's one of

826
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: the reasons people think I'm so fucking smart because I

827
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: could just talk better quote unquote you know what I meaning, like, Oh,

828
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: this nigga no five syllable words or whatever the fuck's like, yes,

829
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: that's but that's literally just because my dad was like, Yo,

830
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: you need to be able to do this. It will

831
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: help you navigate your existence as a black person on

832
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: this earth easier. Now, if that was twenty twenty one,

833
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: that would be someone if they saw that conversation going,

834
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: that's fucked up. You're teaching your kid not to talk

835
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: this type of way, and that's just how black people talk.

836
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: As if hey, it is quote unquote black to talk

837
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: in the ways. That would make sure I don't get

838
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: a job, and I don't pass the test, and I

839
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: don't do well in school. That's blackness innately, and then

840
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: of course it did. Of course, teaching me differently will

841
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: be teaching me white or making me less black or

842
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: anti black even.

843
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's such a.

844
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: Way and a burden that we're putting on that in

845
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: house conversation. I reject that, you know, I reject that

846
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: that happens because you care about people and you want

847
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: the best for them, and you understand the world is

848
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 2: the world is anti black. So I can either teach

849
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: you this or I can be like, go fit for yourself.

850
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: At least you'll know deep down out inside that you're

851
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: right even as you're reaping the worst results in life. Yes, sir, so,

852
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: I think that's stuff. That stuff matters.

853
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

854
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: And then there's and then there's the other type of

855
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: respectability that is someone being like, do you white foods

856
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: ain't going?

857
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's different.

858
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you have to learn the difference because there

859
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 4: is the difference, and a lot of a lot of.

860
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: These comes from intent. Intent matters people, It matters.

861
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think white like that type of respectability is

862
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: you can't have your natural hair because white hair is

863
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: better than your hair you got. You know, you need

864
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: to wear a suit because white people wear suits and

865
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: those people are better than us. I think there's a

866
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: totally different sentiment from that. And you know, your uncle

867
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: busting you on your clothing choice, that is just different

868
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: for me. So but yeah, these conversations come very fucked

869
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: up online. And then the other thing she hit that

870
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: I really thought that really resonated with me is people's

871
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: triggers are self protection.

872
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: That's what that book Conflict is not abuse.

873
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: It's really great about illustrating how a lot of the

874
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: stuff is never us addressing core issues. It's us telling

875
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: people they should be able to exist in a constant

876
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: state of trauma and the world is to blame for

877
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: not adjusting to their trauma, and none of us are

878
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: actually trying to resolve it, trying to help them, none

879
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: of we're we think helping is enabling, yes, And that's

880
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: such a big thing. It's it's like if every time

881
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: somebody wrote into the show. It's like if every time

882
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: a woman wrote into the show, I felt attacked no

883
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: matter what they said.

884
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: And then I go, well, it's because I had an abusive.

885
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: I had a woman that abused me when I was

886
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: blank years old.

887
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that's sad that that happen.

888
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: That's fucked up, and and and and nobody's saying that's okay.

889
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: But what that can't turn into was every woman that

890
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: writes into the show, I just start saying misogynistic shit

891
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: or being very rude to them or cutting them off

892
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: or whatever, because at that point, that's not that woman.

893
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: That's my responsibility. Now.

894
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: I took that trauma internalizing and said I'm gonna engage

895
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: the world in the midst of this. I'm never gonna

896
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: resolve in myself. I'm never gonna try to fix it.

897
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna go to therapy. I'm never gonna adjust

898
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: to the fact that women exist in the world every

899
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: day of my life and I have to navigate this

900
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: world every day of my life with fifty percent of

901
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: people being women.

902
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to change y'all.

903
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: And then it would be like Karen sitting right here

904
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: and being like, well, yeah, call him up, call those

905
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: women all of their names and cuts them out and

906
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: hang up on them and stuff, and it's like, well, Caroen,

907
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't the right thing be to tell Rod to cut

908
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: that shit out. No, he was traumatized a long time ago,

909
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: and he gets to be in charge because in this

910
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: situation he doesn't feel empowered and we need to make

911
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: sure he feels a certain way. So it's easy to

912
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: see if when I flip the power dynamics and say

913
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: a man talking to women, right, but any situation that's

914
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: not good.

915
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: The same thing.

916
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: And I remember you talking about this before, and people

917
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: don't want to hear this. A traumatized person does not

918
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: need to be in charge, and people don't want to

919
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: hear that because if you're over.

920
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: Something, you're trying to lead people.

921
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 4: Because people have got bossings of supervisors that are dealing

922
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 4: with shit and there if they're.

923
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: Emotionally or mentally, or there's some shit going on, it

924
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: trickles through the group. It trickles through the team.

925
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 4: Everybody feels them being off, and it's one of those

926
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: things to where everybody else is paying the consequences for

927
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: some shit that they're not addressing, whatever those things is,

928
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: and their insecurities may flash in various different reasons among

929
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: the team.

930
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: You might have some people who.

931
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, we cool, you say something, I

932
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: don't like it and then lashing out you like you're talking

933
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: about the dog. That's a prime example. Something happened all

934
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 4: of a sudden. I'm responding before I feel like I'm

935
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: going to get hit again.

936
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 2: And it's like if you walk your dog and every

937
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: time someone with a bike came by, you ran over

938
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: and kicked them off the bike.

939
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: That's what social media thinks helping.

940
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: Your dog is right, rather than being like, hey, there

941
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: are people that have bikes. What do we need to

942
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: do to make sure that you can navigate this world

943
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: where there are gonna be bike people and you don't

944
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: freak the fuck out every time you see one.

945
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: Right, We got to.

946
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: Find because the thing is online is not a place

947
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 4: where people give people tools to actually cope.

948
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes it is, most of the time it's not.

949
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: You know, that's that in house thing you were talking

950
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: about before, where somebody needs toeach you saupay, Hey, what's

951
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: going on, what's happening? We need to get you the

952
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 4: tools so that you can function and.

953
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: People and so on.

954
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: I think they meant heal They said hurt people, hurt people,

955
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: but heal people. I think meant he heal differently, and

956
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: I obviously people just the same way. People get hurt differently, right,

957
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: and people hurt each other differently.

958
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: Not all hurts are the same.

959
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: People do heal differently, that's true. I just think the

960
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: difference is a lot of people promote healing that isn't healing.

961
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: A lot of people think they're healing and helping people

962
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: when they're not helping people. And I think the illusion

963
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: of that is very important to examine because a lot

964
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: is this is common parlance of social media.

965
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: This is not uncommon.

966
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: It's more common than not that the people who are

967
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: telling you that are helping folks aren't.

968
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: It's more common.

969
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Than not that the people who are using these harassment

970
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: tactics and shunning and all the stuff are not actually helping.

971
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've been seeing stuff on social media

972
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: the last I don't know, month and a half or

973
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: something where this like, there are people every day that

974
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: wake up and harass this person that seems like a

975
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: piece of shit.

976
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: And I get why they're seem like a piece of shit.

977
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: I totally understand why, but it's not changing or helping anybody.

978
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: And they're so gleeful in it that I'm like, oh,

979
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: that's actually y'all commiserating.

980
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: Y'all are actually having fun doing this.

981
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna try to say it's behind this other reason

982
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: and that reason, but y'all are having fun and at

983
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 2: the center of it, you don't really give a fuck

984
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: about the person who's talking about I'm experiencing this stuff,

985
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: because with the drop of a hat, y'all be talking

986
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: shit about that person as well. I've seen that happen

987
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: as well, Like there were times when y'all harassed them,

988
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: and there are times just during this thing is where

989
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 2: people are harassing this person and it's really just more

990
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: like a royal rumble where everyone's having fun taking turns

991
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: doing harassment. But you let them tell it, they will

992
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: couch it in all of those words. They will couch

993
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: it in all the psycho babble shit of like no,

994
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: this is about empowering and this is this and this that.

995
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I don't know, I see a person

996
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: at the center in this who's clearly been in a

997
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: state of trauma for over a month, and y'all.

998
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Don't really seem to give a fuck, you know what

999
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean?

1000
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: And people don't understand like what folks are spiraling and shit,

1001
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: and you're enabling a spiraling.

1002
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: You're not they that's not help.

1003
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: No.

1004
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 4: And also it's not onlines responsibility. I'm gonna keep real

1005
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 4: to be concerned or care about your mental health, and

1006
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: people don't want to actually get down to that route.

1007
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: But it's not they're not your real friends.

1008
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: Agree, you know the fact that they're bringing things You say,

1009
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: this thing is traumatic to me, and then they bring

1010
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: you every instance of it and at you and all

1011
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: this shit.

1012
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: That's not your real friends.

1013
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: It's like, like I said, it's like if Karen comes

1014
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: home and she's like this person at my job, I

1015
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: hate her, and I'm like, okay, cool because I just

1016
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: want on her Facebook and she just did bottle Puppy.

1017
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well I hate her and I you know,

1018
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: and I hate.

1019
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: Working with her.

1020
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: Okay cool, Well did you know she uh, she just

1021
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: got married.

1022
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: Let's look at the pictures together.

1023
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: It's like at some point it's like, well, do you like,

1024
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: are you trying to help me or do you want

1025
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: to see me go off?

1026
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Right?

1027
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: You know, we're consuming each other. A lot of people

1028
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: just think it's like entertainment. I think, yeah, yeah, all right,

1029
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: let's get these emails. Amanda right said, Hello, riding care

1030
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: is not eating sugar and grit's a Southern thing. I

1031
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: was born and raised in northern Kentucky, and I never heard,

1032
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: had nor heard of people thinking sugar and grits is nasty.

1033
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Sugar and butter and grits is so delicious, just is

1034
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: putting sugar in homemade pinto beans and lama beans. AnyWho, Thanks,

1035
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: thanks for all you do and keep up to good work.

1036
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a Southern thing. I think it's

1037
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: pretty much y'all are the widows. If y'all do that,

1038
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: I hate that you were raising that colt.

1039
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 3: But or.

1040
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: I know it's not it's not just us. There's no

1041
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: restaurant with sugar grits on the menu.

1042
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: No, that's how you know.

1043
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: It's some bullshit when people say, oh, it's so common,

1044
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know if it's just like

1045
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: an internet thing or just or people create their own reality.

1046
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: But you know the fucking instructions on the back of.

1047
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: The Okay, on the back of the box. When you

1048
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: read the back of the box, y'all, y'all know what it.

1049
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: Says, water, butter, sugar, butter, salt. Yeah, like that.

1050
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: They don't tell you to put sugar in the grit great,

1051
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I hop don't sell sugar grits,

1052
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: so it is what it is.

1053
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Feedback heat wave. This is from a mill who says,

1054
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: let me move. That's over. Hey, Roddy Karen.

1055
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: On June thirtieth episode, you talked about the heat wave

1056
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: in the Northwest, and I missed that episode initially, but

1057
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: I felt I had to comment on it. In the Vancouver,

1058
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: British Columbia area where I live, the temperatures got to

1059
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: forty two celsius, which is one hundred.

1060
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: And eight fahrenheit.

1061
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: Got damn.

1062
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how y'all do that celsius shit. It's

1063
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: like that's a lot of degrees that be missing.

1064
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: The celsius fucks me up, just like the order the

1065
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 4: kilometers that'd be fucking me up to, and I know

1066
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: that's on the speedometer.

1067
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 3: I don't give it. Damn. It's confusing.

1068
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: Celsius is worse though, because with kilometers it makes sense

1069
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: to me because it's like, you know, eight kilometers is

1070
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: twice as much as four kilometers. The celsius shit, man,

1071
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm just a dumb American because it'll be like forty

1072
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: two degrees or thirty two.

1073
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know shit with that celsius.

1074
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: Throwing the numbers be so low.

1075
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: It's an equation.

1076
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: It's not just the I'm not talking about the It's

1077
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: an equation. It's not a direct like this many degrees celsius?

1078
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: Is this meany degrees fahrenheit? You add one? Do you

1079
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: add point to many fahrenheits? What's It's just like some

1080
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: ad subtract, multiply this shit, that's how you get that number.

1081
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad you put the translation is the point.

1082
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: Thank you baby for us, because I'd have been like,

1083
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's hot of cold.

1084
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this type of heat is extremely rare in the Pacific,

1085
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: southwestern Canada, northwestern US area.

1086
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: To put it in perspective, in the fifteen.

1087
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: Years they that we have been here, daily highs in

1088
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: the summer range from sixty eight to eighty. You may

1089
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: get a day here there that hits ninety, but until

1090
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: the last five or so years, never a two day

1091
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: stretch that. How although we are starting to see longer

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00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: stretches of hot days, we don't get the types of

1093
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: summers you see in Toronto, which is more like New

1094
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: York or Chicago. In this region, houses with central air

1095
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: are pretty rare.

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: Right because it doesn't get that hot, so you know

1097
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 4: they've built those homes. And it's some places in the

1098
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 4: United States like that where it doesn't get like hot hot, so.

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00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 3: They don't build homes with central air.

1100
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm from the South, go like the

1101
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 4: fuck is this? But you always hear about people passing

1102
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: and dying, particularly elderly people in these hot airs homes

1103
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: because they were built and they.

1104
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: Literally built them with no central air.

1105
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: We have debated put it in central air for years, but

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00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: it always seems too expensive when we would only use

1107
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: it one or two days of summer. So a four

1108
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: day stretch with Tim's reaching one ten was aheard of.

1109
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: One small town far from the coast caught on fire

1110
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: because of high winds in extreme heat. They had gotten

1111
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: to one hundred and twenty fareheight.

1112
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: This shit is no joke, woo.

1113
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: We have those portable AC units in the bedrooms and

1114
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: they were struggling to keep up. Had a nigga watching

1115
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: basketball on the forty one inch bedroom LCD.

1116
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: Shout out to the twenty two thousand and six technology.

1117
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: AC was more.

1118
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: Important than four k I hear you come on all

1119
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: that to say, even though we're back to normal for now,

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00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: climate change is real, y'all. As my wife says, we

1121
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: have passed the point of climate change intil the reality

1122
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: of climate crisis. I would have never thought that in

1123
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 2: my lifetime I would see such a stark, noticeable change

1124
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: in weather. Can do a lot of Canadians in the

1125
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 2: oil sector are pissed at Joe Biden because he canceled

1126
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: the Keystone Excel pipeline. But that's the type of dramatic,

1127
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: drastic shit that needs that's needed at this point. Nobody

1128
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: listened to the Inuit people in Northern Canada when they

1129
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: warned about climate change and the Arctic. But now we

1130
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: are sudden, we are there. We all of a sudden,

1131
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: uh have heat related deaths. It's affecting regular you know

1132
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: what I mean. White Canadians directly is getting serious attention anyway.

1133
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for indulging my pain.

1134
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 3: I feel you on that one.

1135
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's part of the global warming woman process, Like, y'all,

1136
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: you're polluting waters, you you fucking ship up, You're causing

1137
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: all these issues.

1138
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it didn't need to be built.

1139
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 4: Yep, you can always find other way, particularly with everybody

1140
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: pushing towards natural because it's the money thing. But with

1141
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: everybody pushing towards natural resources, it's like.

1142
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: We got we got to. Eventually we're gonna have to

1143
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: wean off that bullshit.

1144
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: So police in crime determs. It's by John who writes

1145
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: in good morning Rod and care Rod. Sorry I'm late

1146
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: to mention this, but just wanted to say how much

1147
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: I appreciated your discussion the police don't police crime, police

1148
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: don't prevent crime talking point. This talking point has a

1149
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: sticking to my crow for the last several years, and

1150
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: I could never put my finger on exactly why, but

1151
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: you nailed a couple of them. My response was to

1152
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: those who say police don't prevent crime as it is,

1153
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: as if it is somehow some brilliant end of the argument.

1154
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: Statement was recently has recently been to ask what about

1155
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: Officer Goodman and the January sixth Direct insurrection. A volant

1156
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: mob was looking to hang Mike Pantsmitt Rodney and do

1157
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: god knows what the Nancy Belosi, Johan Omar Aoc, etc.

1158
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: And yet Officer Goodman's presence prevented a whole host of

1159
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: much worse crimes from happening.

1160
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: Does that count?

1161
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 2: That seems like a pretty clear example of a cop

1162
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: actually prevented some major crimes that from happening.

1163
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the one that shot the woman trying to

1164
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: come through the window.

1165
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: He did his job.

1166
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's man, It's just so fucking sad.

1167
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: That the shit is so polarized that, like Republicans are

1168
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: asking for the name of the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt,

1169
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: who was the woman who literally stormed the capitol and

1170
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: was trying to get in there to the politicians and

1171
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: was warned and then shot. They have learned the language

1172
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: of black Lives Matter and black people on social media

1173
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: to where they're now parroting our legitimate concern about police

1174
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: shooting unarmed, innocent or escalating violence against citizens that are

1175
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: happening to be black. They're taking that same language and

1176
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: being like, look at this martyr. Look at what they

1177
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: did to Ashley babbit Like she.

1178
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: Ain't had a fucking business in the building in the first.

1179
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: Place, right, But think about how you just said that.

1180
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: That's how they feel about Mike Brown. That's you know

1181
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, the way the same, the same feeling

1182
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: and passion you just reflexively had That's what they've been

1183
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: trying to do with it with with with would shoot

1184
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: with shootings of black people that in my mind are

1185
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: either innocent or just had violence that was completely escalated

1186
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: to a point that it's unreasonable to me agree. And

1187
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: it's just wild to think how they took that language.

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: They just took it.

1189
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, and kind of turned it against us. It's

1190
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: crazy because it works, and.

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: It only and it works because behind all this ship

1192
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: is this unspoken rule, which is when white people feel

1193
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: a thing, it's legitimate, and when black people feel something

1194
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: that's illegitimate.

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00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: Right.

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: Uh, the election overhaul stuff is happening because white people

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: feel a way, you know, and I'm not one that

1198
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: advocates for it. Well, then feelings should be the only

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: thing that matter, and I want black people's feelings to

1200
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: be validated by the state. It's that's not even how

1201
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm not even one of those people, but it's just

1202
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: it is fucking frustrating.

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00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: Uh, anyway back to this, Yeah, that was not what

1204
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: he was writing about. It's in a similar vein.

1205
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: If police don't deter crimes, why do so many criminals

1206
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: take great measures to make sure they commit their crimes

1207
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: and places where there are no cops around. Just to

1208
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: take one example, we've all seen part of the serial

1209
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: Killer documentary where the killer is stalking his next victim,

1210
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: but then by a complete random luck, a police cruise

1211
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: drives by and the killer rapists or whatever the size

1212
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: of been in that location and go somewhere else. The

1213
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: likely victim will tell the camera how looking back there,

1214
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: one hundred per cent is certain they'd be dead if

1215
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: it weren't for that stroke of luck. The killer often

1216
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: it miss it's frustration and interviews at generals, etc. About

1217
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: the sorts of events thwarting their attempts. It's a scene

1218
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: in almost every one of those stories. We know those

1219
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: things actually happen. Those are the sort of things that

1220
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: crime stats can never really show.

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01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1222
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: Not just even avoiding the police. There's also just this

1223
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: thing where I know what they're trying to get at.

1224
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: I just think that point is not the dunk they

1225
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: think it is. That's all because I agree that more

1226
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: police doesn't eat will better.

1227
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: It's the type of policing.

1228
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: Right, and the vast majority of black people are not

1229
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: anti any police. It's one of the reasons that arguments

1230
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: a non starter even though people online will tell you.

1231
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: No, it's not messaging. People just don't understand what we mean.

1232
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: The argument is a non starter because people think it

1233
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: means no police, right, and it doesn't really matter what Some.

1234
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: People are getting double down where it do mean that? Okay? Cool?

1235
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: So then you happy basically.

1236
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: Making a point that will never be no one's gonna

1237
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: do anything right. Or they go, well, it doesn't mean that,

1238
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: it means you know these other things.

1239
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: What there's something's wrong with your messaging and they don't

1240
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: want to admit that.

1241
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's you know, like I said, it's not

1242
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: an art. It's just such a fruitless argument.

1243
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna engage in it.

1244
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: But my point being a lot of people want the

1245
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: policing quality of policing that is reserved for people with

1246
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: money or white people rights, and that kind of policing

1247
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: seems to work in that these white neighborhoods have less crime.

1248
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: People go, well, they have less crime, that must mean

1249
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: there's less criminal shit happening. No, police aren't just locking

1250
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: them up or harassing them for little shit. There's no

1251
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: stopping frisk in white neighborhoods, right, you know, there is no.

1252
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: We're coming here.

1253
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: We don't live here. This is a war zone. We're

1254
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: gonna bust them heads. We're gonna show them whose boss. Like,

1255
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: there is none of that shit. So they don't have

1256
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: They don't have those same worries of you know, the

1257
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: police being in their communities that we have, where when

1258
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: I see more police, I don't see more police than

1259
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: think thank god, I see more police.

1260
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: And go, oh no, what are they gonna do?

1261
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: Are they gonna are they gonna, like, I don't know,

1262
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: fuck fuck me up? Are they gonna pull me over

1263
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: for no reason? Or do I now have to watch

1264
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: every fucking move I make? You know, there's not a

1265
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: freedom there for me.

1266
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: But that.

1267
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: But that's not that. That's not a catchy slogan, can't

1268
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: put it on T shirt? So what the fuck are

1269
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right?

1270
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: And we got so polarized that if I, if I

1271
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: were to make a group called if I, if my

1272
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: hashtag was better police and please motherfuckers be like, you can't.

1273
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: No, it's it's.

1274
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: Not defund you can't retrain, you can't make them better,

1275
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: you can't rehire people nothing. It's like, okay, okay, so

1276
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: what do you mean when you say defund. Well, I mean,

1277
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: you know, we fire you either get some new ones,

1278
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: we train them up.

1279
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: We do.

1280
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh so we are gonna still have police.

1281
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but we'll also alligate some funds.

1282
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: Okay that, yeah, I agree with that. Okay, but we

1283
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: gotta call it defund.

1284
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's what you want, but nobody else

1285
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna have to explain the ship one hundred times.

1286
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, the so. But yeah, I get the serial

1287
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: killer example.

1288
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: You know, we know that security guards cameras are better

1289
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: light and reduce crimes in certain spaces. Ask any insurance

1290
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: broker if you need proof because of the threat of

1291
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: being caught and punished. But the only reason for this

1292
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: is because of the threat of consequences without some former

1293
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: enforcement laws and toothless have yet to see any model

1294
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: of enforcement that doesn't have some agent of the state,

1295
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: usually armed to do so.

1296
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean.

1297
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: I've seen some of these plans and it's like they

1298
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: to me, they just sound good on paper. I don't

1299
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: know what you do when it's like, Yo, someone's having

1300
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: a mental health breakdown and they have a gun.

1301
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: Okay, don't call the police. Call somebody with a vest.

1302
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: No problem.

1303
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: They come out there with the safety vest on that

1304
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: they gonna talk to them. If everything goes right, they

1305
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: talk them down. The person doesn't need to go to

1306
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: prison or jail. They can go to some type of

1307
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: mental health situation that can help them, you know, whatever

1308
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: we need to do. I would love to see that,

1309
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 2: absolutely one hundred percent behind it. Everybody loves that plan

1310
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: unless that person in that vest is shot, right, because

1311
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: we don't have infinite people invest going where to rest

1312
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: their lives going.

1313
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: Into the situation like that. And that's the truth of

1314
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: the matter. If everything goes according to.

1315
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: Plan, all the plans sound great, whether you're defunding, whether

1316
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: you fucking no police, whether you're just invested in the community,

1317
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: whether you shit, even if you believe in the police

1318
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: that we have now. In theory is good, but none

1319
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: of this the humans are not theoretical.

1320
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: No, they're not. And you know, once you get down to.

1321
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 4: It, everybody has their different philosophies on how they feel

1322
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: about it. But if the police work for everybody like

1323
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: you say, as it did for white people and rich people,

1324
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people complain, it would not complain. That's

1325
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 4: all they want is to be treated equally. Like it

1326
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 4: if it was equally just you know, if the police

1327
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: did the same thing, if you know, you didn't police

1328
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 4: black people for profit for the city and the state,

1329
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 4: like little things like that. If black people didn't didn't

1330
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 4: see your presence, that get worried. A lot of anxiety

1331
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 4: was go down. Because the thing is, most black people

1332
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 4: won't police no matter what online tell you, the motherfucker's lying.

1333
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: Most Black people that are not online.

1334
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: Won't be policed. They just don't want to be fucking harassed.

1335
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think, like, I don't think you're

1336
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: gonna find anybody that I know of that you won't

1337
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: find anybody I know of that I respect that things

1338
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: policing as is should just stay like this, right, And

1339
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: that's the starting point for all this shit. But these

1340
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: solutions are varied, and all of them require a level

1341
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: of faith and belief in people and in systems, and

1342
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: that's what everyone's trying to avoid online. Like nobody wants

1343
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: to come out and be like, at some point we're

1344
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to something systemic, will have to be creative, because.

1345
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: You're not talking about a one off, and.

1346
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: People want to accept a solution of Hey, if you

1347
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 2: get robbed, you just get robbed. Hey, if you get

1348
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: sexual assaulted, you just get sexually assaulted.

1349
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: No one wants to hear it.

1350
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: Well, police aren't that good at catching convicted police aren't

1351
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,439
Speaker 2: that good at catching sex offenders, So therefore we don't

1352
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: need police. No one wants to hear that, because all

1353
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: I've heard is so, then just sexual assault is fine.

1354
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Now that's what I heard.

1355
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: That's what you know, because what you're saying is not

1356
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: you didn't go, and so we'll institute something in place.

1357
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: You're like, nah, and that's it. That's my thought. I

1358
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: dunked on you. I dunked on you. I told you

1359
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: that they only catch this percentage.

1360
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: Right, And so for somebody like me, I'm going to

1361
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 4: your plan Like your plan makes no fucking sense, So

1362
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 4: I know, so I we'll see.

1363
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: Anyways, I got. I gets so irritated.

1364
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: And with the unrealistic and optimist leading tactics that so

1365
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: many of our own side using these discussions, they're almost

1366
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: as bad as the Blue Lives Matter asshole in this respect. Also,

1367
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: it's really weird how people can who are so into

1368
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: accountability can lose that energy when it comes to monsters

1369
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: like Bill Cosey. I don't get it. I don't get it.

1370
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't get it. But also that's weird too, how.

1371
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: The same way that people defend owning guns always have

1372
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: a magical scenario where some good guy with a guns

1373
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: get any like that never fucking happened.

1374
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 3: We read articles with a good guy gets shot too.

1375
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well that never that almost never happens.

1376
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: But it's enough for us to have the most guns

1377
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: in the world the world, That argument is enough for

1378
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: us at But but I just I don't know, Like

1379
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: what look, what so what laws we're gonna pass about

1380
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: getting guns off the street?

1381
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: Do we even need to get guns off the street? Then?

1382
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, who gonna do it? Obviously not sending the

1383
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: police to do it. It's just I don't know. This

1384
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: shit gives me a headache.

1385
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 2: All that said, I fully understand notch how shitty and

1386
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 2: races and unfair our systems of policing is, and I'm

1387
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: desert for solutions. But I don't think this, honest, are

1388
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: bad faith arguments help us get any closer to finding them.

1389
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: I hope you both had a happy forth in or

1390
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: stay safe from the delta That delta variant love the

1391
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: resurrection of Reading Rainbow.

1392
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: Thanks John you uh. Dv DV Plant says, Hey, guys.

1393
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: I reluctantly rejoined Facebook Dating to just swipe and see

1394
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: what's out there. While I which I explained on my

1395
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:41,440
Speaker 2: profile profile, honestly, a lot of guys liked me, and uh,

1396
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: any of which I would have never expected. And I'm

1397
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 2: just like, well, if you like what you see, why

1398
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: can't you just approach me in real life?

1399
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1400
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: I guess the same applies to me. Also, Well, that's

1401
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: a good one. What I would posit is that a

1402
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: dating app. By being on the dating app, you are

1403
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: saying I am now open to romantic Uh, what do

1404
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: you call it?

1405
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: Overtures?

1406
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: Interactions? Romantic when people are solicitation, Although that sounds like

1407
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: a prostitute, but you know what I mean.

1408
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: You're open to people going, hey, hey, man.

1409
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: Got some dick, got some got some dates, got some love,

1410
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: got some time, got some food, whatever I would like

1411
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: to share with you. And by being on the app,

1412
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: you're saying that I accept that you will try that.

1413
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: It's an overtures.

1414
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: Sure, let's go with overtures.

1415
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 2: But my point being like you're now saying you're open

1416
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 2: to romantic interactions or whatever. I think actually romantic solicitation

1417
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: is probably the best of what I'm thinking, because I'm

1418
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: thinking like niggas handing out dick flyers.

1419
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, I got some dick

1420
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 3: for you.

1421
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 2: Right, And so in real life, especially in this day

1422
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: and age where people have started women have especially going

1423
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: by sis Head norms, but probably everybody, right, we now

1424
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: know more about people's inner workings and how they feel

1425
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: internally about being approached than ever before. And I would

1426
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: imagine there's a lot of people airing on the side

1427
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 2: of I just don't want to know problems.

1428
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: We're at work, or.

1429
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: You're walking through the store, or you're in church, you're

1430
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: somewhere doing you're in the gym. I don't want to

1431
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: overstep and approach you. And I'm talking about guys that

1432
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking about sincere people, right, people who would sincerely

1433
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: approach you. I'm not talking about like the people who

1434
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: are just like, look at that ass, mom, Yeah, I'm

1435
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: talking about they probably if they're good people have are

1436
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 2: aware of these conversations and are like, I'd rather approach

1437
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: somebody in a place like an app that is there

1438
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: for being.

1439
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,919
Speaker 3: Approached right where everybody knows that's the purpose.

1440
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would guess why you don't see

1441
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: that happening in real life as much. But that's dope

1442
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: that people are, you know. And even on the app

1443
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: though you kind of you did the thing where you said,

1444
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: I'm just here to swipe and see what's out there,

1445
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: so even though they're just sending a signal of but

1446
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: not really and that's the app, Like, that's like walking

1447
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: in the club, you know what I'm saying. You was

1448
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: like at the club, like I've just hit a dance

1449
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: by myself. You know, I want to look at people dancing,

1450
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: but I ain't trying to get involved.

1451
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: So you know, that could be it.

1452
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 2: You might not put that energy out and they might

1453
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 2: not be picking it up, or they might.

1454
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: Be scared to put it out.

1455
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: True, But any who, I feel nick Jo and her

1456
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: status and I kind of feel the same way. I

1457
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: can't classify myself as Polly, but I don't know if

1458
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: having just one partner at this time in my life

1459
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: would suit me, especially since I've been out of the

1460
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 2: game and in storage for a while.

1461
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: Lol.

1462
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: I believe Trevor Noah said he wanted to live in

1463
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: separate houses with.

1464
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: His future spouse. I wouldn't be that extreme.

1465
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: I did find myself feeling like I could see how

1466
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: separate rooms within the same house can work great for me.

1467
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: You see, I like my singleness. In a long time.

1468
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: I needed sometimes boyfriend, someone who is busy and won't

1469
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: bother me too much during the week, but as someone

1470
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: but also someone I could do all a couple of

1471
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: fun stuff with. If the primary person I'm dealing with

1472
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: is not available, I have the option of the other

1473
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: side boo.

1474
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: And of course everyone knows about each other well.

1475
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, communication, conversations, consent, yes all you need.

1476
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: Ps needless to say.

1477
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: I have a lot of work husbands, some If I

1478
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 2: was approached, I would happily agree to sideboo.

1479
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: Life.

1480
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing wrong with little dates and kissing if all

1481
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: parties all are in the know and we clean and safe.

1482
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: Bye y'all and thanks Nick, juya.

1483
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: I definitely not alone, Danielle D thanks d And.

1484
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: What was I gonna say those something me said?

1485
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I'm you know, it's interesting because people say

1486
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: poly and I'm like, I get that, but also I

1487
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: feel like it's almost like women dating more than one

1488
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: person and not being committed to anybody has like it's

1489
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: so much. It seems like so much more thought is

1490
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: put into it as opposed to men, Like a man

1491
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: dating multiple people is kind of like, well, yeah.

1492
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: That's of course you can do that. That's not a thing.

1493
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 4: So women is always that gott to question you, like

1494
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 4: something's wrong with you. But you're like, for some women,

1495
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 4: even if the dudes don't know about each other, they're going, well,

1496
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 4: I didn't make a commitment to any of y'all, like,

1497
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 4: we're not dating, we're not a relationship.

1498
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: I didn't make a commitment.

1499
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 4: So for some women they might decide to keep each

1500
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 4: one separate, and they have that right because dudes do

1501
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 4: that all the time. And it's not considering any frowned

1502
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 4: upon because he's like, I didn't make a commitment to anybody.

1503
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 3: We never talked to me. And that's that.

1504
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 4: Messy, great piece, and that's why you need to have

1505
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: conversations about where is this going?

1506
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 3: When what do we both desire out of this?

1507
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because, like I said, for women, that's

1508
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: a lot. It seems like a lot more thought goes

1509
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,440
Speaker 2: into it.

1510
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: Seems like at least in Sis had relationship.

1511
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 2: It seems like a lot of like dudes, it's kind

1512
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: of like, well, yeah, I'm dating this one. Shit you

1513
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: know what I mean that you never thought it's more

1514
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: than one. Like it's like it's like, yeah, well why

1515
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: why why can't I you know? But uh yeah, but

1516
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: I think that is different than being Polly, of course,

1517
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 2: But I wonder how many people are describing just kind

1518
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: of just dating multiple people, but in these poly terms,

1519
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: you know, because to me, Polly means but I also

1520
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: would be willing to be in a relationship with multiple

1521
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: people or an open relationship with one person or something

1522
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: like that. It's like, I think it goes beyond just

1523
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: there's multiple people that interest me.

1524
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: Right, that's different.

1525
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, Episode twenty three sixty nine Priests Body Camps,

1526
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: Louis says, was anyone else surprised? Where anybody who else waiting?

1527
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 2: Because I made a joke about the priest and need

1528
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: to wear body cams? I really thought that was a

1529
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: brilliant joke myself. I didn't want to have myself on

1530
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 2: the back, but that, uh, Louis says, was was anyone

1531
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: else waiting for a POV joke?

1532
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: I may have problems now? Great show, Keep up the

1533
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: great work.

1534
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: No, I was not thinking about making a POV joke,

1535
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: but you're right.

1536
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: That probably would have been too far because we were.

1537
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: Talking about priests body cams and Nope, I don't want

1538
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: to think about it. Will says, hey, y'all, hope all

1539
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: was well. I had to righte in just to say,

1540
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 2: y'all left me in tears at the end of the

1541
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: last three Guys On episode because we were on Three

1542
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: Guys On last week when Rod said you're gonna go,

1543
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna You're gonna go now so Karen could choke you,

1544
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: and then Karen said that y'all are going to the

1545
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: Turkey leg hut broh y'all. Damn Nick killed me. Pure

1546
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: comedic goal. Take care of y'all. Peace, Thanks Will, thank you,

1547
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: We love the pure love. Mandy says, Hello, rider care.

1548
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 2: My name is am Oh, sorry, said Mandy, and I

1549
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: haven't listening to your show for a couple of years,

1550
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: and I really love your show a lot, with all

1551
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: your wet pearls of wisdom to make me think and

1552
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 2: to take other perspectives in the consideration. I do have

1553
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: a question comment about the track star who tested positive

1554
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 2: for marijuana that led their disqualification to be in the Olympics.

1555
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: Why no one is saying that this recent setback of

1556
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: hers might be good, a good time for her to

1557
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: grieve and to receive counseling so she could possibly set

1558
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: up for a comeback. I know people grieve differently, but

1559
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing anyone say this. People are so quick

1560
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 2: to get on the Olympics for discrimination when the rules

1561
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: are the rules, and want to see black women win.

1562
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: But what about her mental health being condolences, her mental

1563
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 2: well being, condolences telling her to keep her head.

1564
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: Up, et cetera.

1565
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: Because it was never about her.

1566
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 4: It was always for a lot of people, it was

1567
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 4: always about what she represented it.

1568
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 3: They never wanted her to run for her.

1569
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 4: It was we like your nails, with like your hair,

1570
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 4: you're very flashy, black girl power, whatever it is you're

1571
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: representing blackness, And so that overpowered her as individual.

1572
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 3: Her wants her knees, That overpowered everything else.

1573
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 4: And it's like all the things that you're talking about,

1574
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 4: which is the true thing, didn't matter. And so with

1575
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 4: her not being able to go anything like that, for

1576
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,839
Speaker 4: a lot of people, they're not Probably they won't discuss

1577
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 4: her again until she's racing again, basically because they never

1578
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 4: really cared about her.

1579
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you, Mandy, you said I think I said that

1580
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: on this episode. If not, I probably said it on

1581
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: the premium Balls Deep episode. We talked about it, and

1582
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: I definitely said it on the phone talking to my

1583
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: friend about it. But my number one thing was when

1584
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: I heard her talk about it herself. She said, she

1585
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: found out her mother passed from a journalist. She doesn't

1586
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 2: blame the journalist.

1587
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: She's not mad at the journalist.

1588
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of people tried to go

1589
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: to Naomio socer route, but she was like, no, that's

1590
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: not the issue here.

1591
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: But she was like she was grieving. She was sad

1592
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: that night and the first she went and ate like

1593
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: an animal.

1594
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: And this is the course, this is I'm giving her

1595
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: full benefit of doubt, assuming everything she says on the

1596
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: up and up right.

1597
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: And so to me that and she said she knew

1598
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: when she did it that she.

1599
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: Would probably it would probably get her tested and she

1600
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 2: would probably fail the test, and that so it was

1601
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 2: like self sabotage.

1602
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: In a way.

1603
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: And my original first start before any of the bullshit,

1604
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: was simply that sounds like a person that's going through

1605
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: a lot, and I don't know that a month after

1606
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: your mama died. This is such a fucking stupid sports narrative.

1607
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: But this is for This is what happens all the

1608
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: time someone dies. An athlete goes out, plays a good

1609
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: game or wins or something. They say, this is for

1610
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: my blank whoever died. And then we go, what nice

1611
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: little ball on that.

1612
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: We all have people die around us.

1613
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: If you're still here, you probably know or have experienced

1614
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: some level of death for someone that you cared about.

1615
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: Was winning a game? Did that fix it?

1616
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1617
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: Does does a good day at work?

1618
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: Like?

1619
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: Does that? The thing for you?

1620
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: Like is like sports is the only time we let

1621
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: that narrative make try to make we make that make sense, like,

1622
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: oh but then he won the boxing match, like and

1623
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: then the person was still dead and they fucked with

1624
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 2: them every day, right like but but yeah, so so

1625
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that anything. You know, when Paul George

1626
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: said he deal with depression, people wrote about depression and

1627
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: all of a sudden stuff and then he had two

1628
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 2: good games in a row and they were like, well,

1629
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 2: pressure over you back. You know, I just don't think

1630
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: any of the stuff we talk about works that way.

1631
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, my first thought was that, But I thought

1632
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: the same thing with Naomi Osaka.

1633
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't.

1634
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: I like sports, but I don't. I don't buy into

1635
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: the narrative of sports.

1636
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: I just don't.

1637
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't and I don't think life works like that,

1638
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: And it's weird to watch people turn sports into that.

1639
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: And of course at the center of this, it was

1640
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of pressure on her because people

1641
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 2: decided she represented something more than just Shakarrie Richardson. She

1642
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: now represents all black women, all LGBTQ people, and.

1643
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 3: She became a mascot.

1644
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think mascots are dehumanizing. Yes, you know,

1645
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: I get why people.

1646
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: Had that notion, but I don't think it's good, you know, so,

1647
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'll let other people.

1648
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: You know, people were getting to the point where they

1649
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: were like they they thought people who were like but

1650
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 2: she did know it was a rule in it, and

1651
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: it was you know, she violated the rule, and it

1652
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: really wouldn't have been fair to other people for her

1653
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,879
Speaker 2: to violate the rule but still not be punished for it.

1654
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: And motherfuckers was acting like, well, that means you hate

1655
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: black women, and it's like, y'all have taken this shit

1656
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: so far right and it's so unhealthy, and you can't

1657
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: see it.

1658
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: You think everyone else is the crazy person now for

1659
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: being like but.

1660
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: I told Karen this in the car, that whole thing

1661
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: that people were doing, trying to basically want the over,

1662
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: won't the rule overturned less than a month out from

1663
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: the Olympics, just for her, for the record, because two

1664
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 2: weeks before there's a white woman tested positive for some

1665
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: type of shit that that she said happened because she

1666
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: ate a port burrito and nobody gave a fuck, and

1667
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: none of us will ever give a fuck. We don't

1668
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: even know her name, right, So it's not it's not

1669
01:22:58,880 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: some principal stance.

1670
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: It's we like Shikari. We want to see her run.

1671
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: No one wins with her not running period, not herself,

1672
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: not Nike, not USA Olympics, not USA Track and Field,

1673
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 2: uh not the Olympics in general, the worldwide national body.

1674
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: No one wins without her there.

1675
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Everything would be better off if she was there, period.

1676
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: The money wants her there. This is not a conspiracy.

1677
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: Some of the shit that happened to black women in

1678
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: this Olympics is absolutely anti blackness, conspiratorial bullshit. Yes, it

1679
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: is this one in particular. You have to stretch the

1680
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 2: longest way to make it, to make like you basically

1681
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: have to do the macro level of uh, decades and

1682
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: decades of stuff led up to the moment where this

1683
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 2: would happen.

1684
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1685
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: And that's and I get that, but that's not the

1686
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: same as we targeted this woman to get her out,

1687
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 2: and it's not an an Uh.

1688
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable to me.

1689
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: That people think that track and field sprinting is where

1690
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: the one hundred meters even is where white people are

1691
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 2: trying to get us out the paint. That's not even

1692
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: close to truth. You know who the second fastest person

1693
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: in track and field gonna be a black woman? You know,

1694
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: the third past one a black one. You know, the

1695
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: fourth fastest person in traman a black woman. A black

1696
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: woman will win that event because what they always do,

1697
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 2: so they ain't even it's not that and it's not well,

1698
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: we don't like her hair and nails, so let's fake

1699
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: a positive drug test. It just wasn't the conspiracy people

1700
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: try to make it out to be. It's just unfortunate

1701
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: and sad and once again, this is them thinking they're helping.

1702
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: They think they're helping by saying hashtag let her run.

1703
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: Let this grieving, like this person that was grieving so

1704
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: hard that she went to a substance she knew would

1705
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: get her out of the Olympics, Let her run.

1706
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Change the whole world.

1707
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: And if you don't, then you hate black women, or

1708
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: you don't understand intersectionality, or you don't.

1709
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: It's like, it's so ridiculous.

1710
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 2: What's happening and they can't see like to meet, same

1711
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 2: vibes as overturned the election, right, same vibes as, Hey,

1712
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,520
Speaker 2: we didn't like that result. The whole process now is bullshit?

1713
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Do we only want the thing we want? You know?

1714
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 2: When they said, she's on a relay team, and a

1715
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: big part of that to them was like, well everyone

1716
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 2: else followed the rules, and what message are we sending

1717
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 2: if we're just like, yeah, fuck them rules, like we

1718
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: like we're you know, that that was their reason when like,

1719
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 2: we had all these other athletes committed to this process

1720
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: that have been working in this group the whole time,

1721
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: doing all the preliminaries, and we didn't want to We

1722
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: had already established our roster because she did this. We

1723
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: didn't want to say, well, listen, she smoked weed. So

1724
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: one of y'all is losing y'all spots today. So they said,

1725
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 2: we're not gonna do it, you know what I mean,

1726
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, you can make your arguments for why

1727
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 2: they should why they shouldn't, but I.

1728
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Understood the reason. Is my point.

1729
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like, oh, look, they're trying to punish

1730
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: her first. They hate her, They just want her to suffer. Well,

1731
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: look at the other women on the team. I got

1732
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: a feeling they black, like we just barely learned about

1733
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: Shakarry and a lot of that stuff is that person

1734
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: of the moment shit. Because they learned about her, they

1735
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: loved her, They found her old tweets, they hated her,

1736
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: she got banned, they loved her again. You know, she's

1737
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: been saying, not saying. There's been things she's tweeted that

1738
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 2: people have alleged are slights against other black women that

1739
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: are in the Olympics, and then people start hating her

1740
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: for that, people start hating those black women.

1741
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I told those other black women not to go to the.

1742
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: Olympics all of this because we like her hair and

1743
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: nails and that she won that race. It seemed like

1744
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: a lot for a very surface level version of affection,

1745
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: very superficial version of affection that really, at the end

1746
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: of it, cares nothing about her. It's our narcissism saying

1747
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: she should represent us. It's our narcissism. It's us pointing

1748
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 2: the camerons towards ourself of saying that it's about her.

1749
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 2: If you really I keep thinking, if this is my

1750
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 2: niece who failed this test because her mother died, I

1751
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 2: would be so much more concerned about her mental health

1752
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 2: than any motherfucking medal.

1753
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, she Hikari's gonna be okay.

1754
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: She's a star.

1755
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: She's gonna be the star of US track and field.

1756
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: She's twenty one, she's gonna be the star of Nike.

1757
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: She gonna be the she. She's gonna be okay. So

1758
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 2: this is not about that. This is our vanity, you

1759
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I just feel like it's a.

1760
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: Lot of.

1761
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 2: It's so much projection, man, that you can't even have

1762
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: a conversation about it for real. Everybody just gets so

1763
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 2: upset about it because they want something, and that's what

1764
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: matters more than anything.

1765
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: But I want this so Yep.

1766
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: It stopped being about her a long time ago.

1767
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know, like I said, I really do

1768
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: hope that I really do hope that she's like mentally okay.

1769
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: I bet she's really really frustrated and her mom passing

1770
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,440
Speaker 2: and finding out that way sounds very tough, and.

1771
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I do think ultimately she'll be okay.

1772
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I'm not I'm

1773
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 2: not boycotting the limits, but I wasn't watching the shit nobody.

1774
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: And if you feel like boycott and boycott, I think

1775
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 2: there's more than enough reasons for niggas.

1776
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Not to be enough. You wanna know what I'm surprised by, y'all.

1777
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm surprised by care what.

1778
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 2: I was shocked so many quote unquote woke people love

1779
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 2: the Olympics and we'll watch.

1780
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 3: It everything else they anti USA.

1781
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: I have not thought that. That has been crazy to

1782
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 2: me the whole fucking time. Like I'm like, you can't wait,

1783
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: you can't like people that said shit like.

1784
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: June teaenth ain't shit. I don't give a fuck.

1785
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: Who asked for this right are like I demand we

1786
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 2: get this type of representation in the Olympics. But then

1787
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: everybody running with a fucking flag on that chest and

1788
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 2: a contrived uh in a really contrived, like nationalistic, xenophobic

1789
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: ass environment. I'm not even woke like that, and the

1790
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: shit don't appeal to me. I was shocked to see

1791
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: people that are way woker than me, you know, like

1792
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 2: way more like anti everything than me, because it's loving this.

1793
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 4: Shit because at the end of the day, they can

1794
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 4: bypassed the government and USA and go you represent blackness.

1795
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 4: And I think that's why people's response was so all

1796
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 4: over the place with her was because we cheer black

1797
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 4: people on.

1798
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because it's a specific it's a very

1799
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: specific type of I care about her, she's American because

1800
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: this is American standards, in American exceptionalism.

1801
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 3: I agree.

1802
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 2: This is like we in America, we don't care that

1803
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:26,480
Speaker 2: much about we.

1804
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: Well they do in a lot of other countries.

1805
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 2: The Jamaican team can't be out that high like like

1806
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: it's obviously not just a standard for us. But it's like, well,

1807
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: we don't care that much, so why is it even

1808
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 2: a rule?

1809
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:40,919
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's very American.

1810
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 2: Y'all didn't want an exception for none of these other players, Well,

1811
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: we want an exception for her though, because she American

1812
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: and she from here, and we want to see her,

1813
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 2: and she represents even the hair and we even nailshit

1814
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 2: is a Black americanness thing that we that she makes

1815
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 2: us think about Black American girls we know. So it's

1816
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: it's just a very weird time of like, I don't know,

1817
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: man like, because I'm not here to down her or

1818
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: dunk on her. I don't think anything. I have no

1819
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 2: moralistic issue with anything. I really just feel like whatever's happening,

1820
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 2: I just hope she's able to be okay because I

1821
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 2: would hate for that to be the I don't think

1822
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: this should be the thing she's known for. And it

1823
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 2: seems like she got a lot of potential to be

1824
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 2: a really big star in.

1825
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 4: Track and I'm truly waiting for, you know, the left

1826
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 4: and to see what her career takes her. And I

1827
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 4: think she's going to I'm like you, I agree, she's

1828
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 4: so young, she's going to be a great star.

1829
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm thinking ultimately that's what matters. But yeah,

1830
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: good luck to her. And I mean somebody else will

1831
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 2: probably win that shit that's black. And I do feel

1832
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: like us as Americans, black Americans, we will flip over

1833
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 2: loyalty to any black person that wins anything. But I

1834
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: guess the way I viewed sports, it's so fucking arbitrary

1835
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 2: that these are sports that.

1836
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean.

1837
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 2: I love that these people dedicate their lives and shit,

1838
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 2: but I don't care about oh nude, I don't care

1839
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 2: about the hammer throw, and I don't think if Gwyn

1840
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 2: gets there and wins or loses, it has any reflection

1841
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: on black life in America, right, You know, it makes

1842
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 2: people feel good to be like, look at this black

1843
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 2: person doing this thing innately, we just love blackness. But

1844
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 2: I don't for the Olympics, man, I just don't got it.

1845
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 4: You know, I've never really been an Olympic person. I

1846
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 4: remember certain things from certain Olympics. That's because it was

1847
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 4: like the moment and you would like see the replays

1848
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 4: on the TV. But I've never been the type of

1849
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 4: person to actually sit down and watch it for extensive

1850
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 4: periods of time.

1851
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think stuff like that is a type of

1852
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: symbolism that feels more superficial than.

1853
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:52,959
Speaker 1: Anything.

1854
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 2: I think Juneteenth will have much more lasting effects on

1855
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: the black psyche than black people being good at athletics

1856
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 2: will have agreed, you know, then in a competition that

1857
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: happens every four years, I think. But that doesn't mean

1858
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: to the mean people that find value that, but just

1859
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that that we have this dichotomy

1860
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: of people like hating real progress but then loving the

1861
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,879
Speaker 2: superficial shit that we've had forever.

1862
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: Like none of these people is the first person to be.

1863
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Great at this shit, you know what I mean, Like

1864
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: they're not the first black person to be great. But

1865
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: it's almost like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe maybe, yeah,

1866
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1867
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: I have to think about why.

1868
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: It is people feel so attached to this shit in

1869
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, I can't really put it. It doesn't

1870
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel right to me. But that's but that's

1871
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 2: just me. I'll put it that way. I haven't thought

1872
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: about why people feel so like, not just to herb

1873
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 2: but just black people in the Olympics, like we're not

1874
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: outrunning racism.

1875
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: We're beyond proving we're better or equal. We're beyond that

1876
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: we've done that.

1877
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 2: But I think nothing's changed for us at home because

1878
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 2: somebody won one of these metal.

1879
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 4: No, it hasn't, but I still do think that we

1880
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 4: still have remnants of that in there. Somewhere like it

1881
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 4: has to be because other than that, it makes no sense.

1882
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 4: Is we need to go represent our country, you know.

1883
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 4: And some people are like, hey, I'm an individual person,

1884
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. I understand that, but as far as

1885
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like the masses, you know, a lot

1886
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 4: of black people are like, you represent blackness America, particularly

1887
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 4: American blackness, and that means a lot to a lot

1888
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 4: of people, probably a lot more than it means to me,

1889
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 4: because I don't really.

1890
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 3: Watch the Olympics like that. It's never been a goal.

1891
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's not even a knock Like, no,

1892
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 2: nobody's young young. You won't see me expressing these thoughts

1893
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 2: on social media or y'all niggas like this. I love

1894
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: black joy, So if y'all niggas like it, I love it.

1895
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't watch it. Y'all have never known me to

1896
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: watch the Olympics, but I have never been bothered by

1897
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 2: people getting their joy. And I do feel like as

1898
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 2: a black person, if I was watching it and in

1899
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: passing even yeah, I would be like, whatever black person

1900
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 2: is up, that's who I'm rooting for.

1901
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: And there's three black people, any one of them.

1902
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: When I feel like we was you know, I can't,

1903
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 2: but I guess it feels so arbitrary to me because

1904
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 2: it doesn't really equal real change. And then the things

1905
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: that do feel like real change to me, people demean

1906
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: that shit like it means nothing, right, So it's just

1907
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 2: like weird. It's just weird dichotomy of being black, where

1908
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: it's like, here's some surface level symbolism and then this

1909
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: other shit. It's like, you know, well, this is pretty important.

1910
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Well let me tell you why.

1911
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: That's some bullshit. You're like, wait what.

1912
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 4: And it would not be surprising to me if one

1913
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 4: is easier to pick up than the other, If that

1914
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 4: makes sense. It's easy to pick up the symbols and

1915
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 4: point in and shine it because you really didn't have

1916
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 4: to put any work or effort behind it, true versus

1917
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 4: the other ones. That means you have to think about

1918
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 4: it and why is this important? And like like you,

1919
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 4: you have to go below the below the surface, and

1920
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 4: most people, our surface level people online, what is the

1921
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 4: easiest thing to do. It's easier to get behind the

1922
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 4: symbol or mascot and ra RAJ go Team USA than

1923
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 4: it is to really think about Yeah, they passes juneteenth. Okay, now,

1924
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 4: let's let's push for more. It's easy for you to say, well,

1925
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 4: who actsert is bla blah blah. No, no, no, let's

1926
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 4: push for more, which would require you to actually care

1927
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 4: past surface level.

1928
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the new one is the girl who wanted

1929
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 2: to spelling be but she's also great.

1930
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: At sports in basketball. Oh yeah, and she's a little girl,

1931
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: So I really.

1932
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 3: What is she like eleven or something like that for you?

1933
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 2: I really feel like of all the ones, hopefully, and

1934
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 2: I think her last name is Ivy Garde, which is

1935
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 2: like designed for Twitter.

1936
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: It's just how to go about.

1937
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 2: But I really hope that she's beyond the like we'll

1938
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 2: find something bad about this person, Like I hope that

1939
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: she's off limits to folks, but I just never know

1940
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 2: no more, like maybe her daddy's a cop or maybe

1941
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, like it could be anything. Now motherfuckers will

1942
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 2: find the one thing and be like, you know, you know,

1943
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 2: her mom was accused of scamming or some shit, and

1944
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Speaker 2: now it's all of a sudden back to like we

1945
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Speaker 2: have to bring some turmoil into the situation as well.

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Speaker 2: But I think maybe that said is I'm detached from

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Speaker 2: that type of symbolism in that way just because it

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Speaker 2: normally sends to go through a cycle where it ends badly.

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Speaker 2: You love this person for three days, then we gotta

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Speaker 2: here's all the problems in their lives for three days,

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Speaker 2: and then back to just you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you can't have nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you can't have nothing. Ain't we lucky? We

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Speaker 3: got him? Just the whole internet good times?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, man, shout out to Shikari, and I really

1956
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Speaker 2: do hope good things happen to her. Shout out to

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Speaker 2: all the people on the team, and that you know

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Speaker 2: out the US wins or you know.

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Speaker 1: I hope black people are happy whatever comes out.

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Speaker 2: But but but as with all this ship, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of anti blackness in the.

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Speaker 1: In the whole event of the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: And and also America don't run this, so you know,

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Speaker 2: other countries Japan doesn't play about weed and regular life,

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Speaker 2: not just popetition but just like life life, so not

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Speaker 2: you know, all this shit is.

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Speaker 1: Just I want. I think it's just people want to

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Speaker 1: feel good. I don't know, it's gotta I'm still putting

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Speaker 1: it together. Joll can see.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this ship all week, like why

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Speaker 2: the fuck people care about.

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Speaker 1: It this much? And then won't and then yeah.

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Speaker 2: It just feels weird that they cared as much. But

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Speaker 2: I think maybe we're all just running from something and

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of times they see themselves in her and through her,

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Speaker 4: and she represents something greater than themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like, if she's the best in the world,

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Speaker 2: then that means black women are the best in the world, right,

1980
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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, it's something to all that, But

1981
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Speaker 2: I'm like, the number two person is a black woman,

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Speaker 2: so it's more than that. It's something about her specific

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Speaker 2: blackness that makes people go, I want to be like

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Speaker 2: white people and skirt the rules for her. I like

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Speaker 2: her enough that the rules should not apply to her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because racism has fucked us up so bad that

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Speaker 4: some people get to the point where they go, we

1988
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Speaker 4: just want to be treated like white folks. We just

1989
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Speaker 4: want to be able to have the same ability to

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Speaker 4: do what we want to do without any consequences of repercussions.

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Speaker 3: And I push you against.

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Speaker 2: That, yeah, because I you know, like I said, there's

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Speaker 2: a there's like, oh I figured it out, this is

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Speaker 2: my okay, So this is why I was gonna go

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Speaker 2: with it. We can end on that South farmis it's

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Speaker 2: my belief system, it's.

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Speaker 1: We like her, we're rooting for her. She failed that test.

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Speaker 1: We know why she failed the test. She admitted to

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Speaker 1: failing the test.

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Speaker 2: I think what people are experiencing is that they're actually

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Speaker 2: upset and disappointed in her. Yes, and we can't let

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Speaker 2: that be the truth, right, So then we have to

2003
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Speaker 2: turn it into a bunch of other stuff, because one,

2004
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Speaker 2: you don't know her, and you do not deserve to

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Speaker 2: come down on her, you know, like, who the fuck

2006
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Speaker 2: are you? You just heard of this girl three days ago.

2007
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Speaker 2: You should not be you are her mom died? How

2008
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Speaker 2: fucking dare you?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, I think people have that internal internal monologue going on,

2011
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Speaker 2: and then they flip it into why I'll put the

2012
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Speaker 2: system on trial?

2013
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what happens.

2014
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Speaker 2: And I think that is a black thing that we

2015
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Speaker 2: live with in America is a black people.

2016
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Speaker 1: It's you know, when.

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Speaker 2: I hear some black person just something terrible, my first

2018
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Speaker 2: thought is, like all the macro things that happen to

2019
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Speaker 2: black people that lead people to be in situations where

2020
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 2: we have terrible choices, and sometimes that it may feel

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Speaker 2: more valid than others, but at the end of the day, your.

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Speaker 1: Individual choice is your individual choice.

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Speaker 3: So and.

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Speaker 1: This is more of a quote uquote victimist crime.

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Speaker 2: But the people that are hurt by it, you know,

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Speaker 2: they ain't gonna want to hear that shit.

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Speaker 4: No, And I do believe it was a lot of

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Speaker 4: hurt and disappointment and pain that was disguised in all

2029
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Speaker 4: these other arguments. I think people are already mad and

2030
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Speaker 4: upset about the other shit that was happening with black women,

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Speaker 4: and this right here was almost like the icing on

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Speaker 4: the cake. And for a lot of people that Okay,

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Speaker 4: I've had enough, fuck it.

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Speaker 2: I really think it's I really just think they don't

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Speaker 2: want to say that they're hurt that she's oh yeah,

2036
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Speaker 2: not gonna participate, and that it was by her own

2037
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Speaker 2: hand that she won't participate. And so now it's you know,

2038
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Speaker 2: they gotta go on Twitter and line and say it's

2039
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 2: people hate, it's about hating black women in this case,

2040
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: and that if you don't get on her side, and

2041
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: by being on her side, it's not I support her

2042
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 2: in her grieving process, it's she should get the run

2043
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,759
Speaker 2: no matter what she did, and put the whole system

2044
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Speaker 2: on trial, and fuck it, that's what they think.

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Speaker 1: Having her side and have her back is, and that.

2046
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Speaker 2: Feels more like, oh, you don't want to just say

2047
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 2: the truth of she lets you down?

2048
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you felt represented?

2049
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, she lets you down.

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Speaker 2: Because once you say you felt represented, then that meant

2051
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Speaker 2: she couldn't let herself down.

2052
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Speaker 1: She had to let us all down, right, And no

2053
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Speaker 1: black person can carry that weight.

2054
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 2: So we have to put the weight on everybody else

2055
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Speaker 2: and every even if a hundred percent of the people

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Speaker 2: on Twitter said I agree with you, she should get

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Speaker 2: the race, it wouldn't change shit. So why are you

2058
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 2: even arguing with people on Twitter? Because that's not really

2059
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: what the problem is, is it. No petition's gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: But we can't say that she let us down, you know.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, if she was my niece or

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Speaker 2: something like that, I wouldn't be like, I'm so disappointing you.

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, are you okay? And nobody gives a

2064
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 2: fuck about texts?

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Speaker 4: Right right, because you would actually have to care about

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Speaker 4: her as an individual person.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it, man, We'll see y'all in a week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually a little over week.

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Speaker 2: Because we're not coming back to a Sunday when we

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Speaker 2: interview the blad girl, and that should be fun yay.

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Speaker 2: So thank y'all for listening, appreciate all the support throughout

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Speaker 2: the time, and uh yeah, we'll talk to y'all soon.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I love you. I love you too.