1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Now joining us today is someone who is a prime 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: example of betting on himself. After going undrafted in the 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen draft, he turned a summer league invite into 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: a G League championship and only two years later winning 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: an NBA Championship. Since has become an All NBA defender 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: and All Star. I'm a big fan of this guy, 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: not only for us play on the core, but just 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: his perseverance and his journey and being an undersized guy 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: and getting it done at the highest level. Currently is 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: recovering from ACL surgery right now with the tour September 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: twenty fifth. Welcome to the show, Fred man Fleet, what's 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: up Ford Man? 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Appreciate you, bro, I appreciate you. 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Come on, man, Yeah, that's what you've earned. 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: So talk to us. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Obviously, going down shoot really right before training camp with 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: your first real knee injury, walk us through what happened 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: and what has really been the mental process. Unfortunately, but 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: fortunately now acls are very common and it's not like 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: you used to be ACL something you can come back 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: even stronger from, so we know that'll happen for you. 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: But what has been the mental process of this journey, 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: because this is your first real knee injury. 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough, you know it. It was a 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: heartbreaking moment getting ready for the season and tip top shape, 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: probably the best shape I've been in, you know since college. 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: How I felt just moving and grooving and knowing the 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: move that we made this summer to have a chance 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: to build towards the championship. So that was my mindset, 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: just playing fives, getting ready for I think camp or 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: media day was the next week after, so it was 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: like right before media day, you know, that vibe that 33 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: you get before the season and you're trying to get 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: your reps in. So unfortunately went down and I just 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: didn't want to believe it. You know, at first, it's 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: just hard to believe. I felt so strong and stable, 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like I couldn't walk or you know, 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: I still felt good. So it took a little bit 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: to process it. But ultimately, you know, once once you 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: go through surgery, you know you in it. So you're 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: about a while. 42 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're about three and a hot three and a 43 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: half months post injury. You still on the training table 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: every day. Are you back on the court doing a 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: little bit of stuff yet? 46 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm finally moving a little bit finally running 47 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: and shooting and probably start jumping here soon. So that 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: part has been cool, just to get back doing what 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: I know how to do and getting off the training table. 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: So it was like four weeks on crutches and then 51 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, four more weeks just on the table, not 52 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: being able to do a whole lot. To be back 53 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: sweating and like getting that energy out and running and 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: seeing the ball go through the net. You know, that's 55 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: been therapeutic for me, you know, back to the basis. 56 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: To me, I think the biggest thing and I don't 57 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: think we talk about it enough as athletes, former athletes 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: and people around the game is not necessarily the injury. 59 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: The injury is very unfortunate, but the mental side of 60 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: it of you to me to your point, you know, 61 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: what you guys did in the off season, be able 62 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: to bring Kevin Durant to me, who was the missing 63 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: piece to what you guys are looking for. You being 64 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: excited to kind of piggyback off what you did last year, 65 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: last season and what you did last season the playoffs. 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: What has the mental process been for you again trying 67 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: to recover and then having to just watch your team 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: for the first time in your career, not being able 69 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: to contribute on the court. I'm sure we'll talk about 70 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: what you're doing behind the scenes, but how is the 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: mental side of just kind of understanding? Like, damn, you know, 72 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: the only thing I can really contribute right now is 73 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: my knowledge to the young guys and be encouraging for 74 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: my teammates. But what has that been like for you? 75 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: Mentally? That's been tough, you know, But ultimately you just 76 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: have to take a step back, you know what I'm saying. 77 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: You have to take a step back and try to 78 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: reflect and keep your perspective and all of those things. 79 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: So that part has been tough. Ultimately you got to 80 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: look at it as a pause. Right. It's my tenth year, 81 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: so you know this is God telling me to sit 82 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: down and chill out for a minute, you know what 83 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying, and try to build it back up brick 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: by brick, and like I said, going back to the basis, 85 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: the coaching, the helping, the teaching, that's the stuff that 86 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: I naturally do anyway. But not being able to walk, 87 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: not being able to run, not being able to shoot, 88 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: you know, that's the hardest part, and that's that's the 89 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: mental side. And the mental challenge. But it's been it's 90 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: been a process and something that I'm glad I'm going 91 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: through from the standpoint of like it's another challenge in 92 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: something new to attack and something else for me to overcome. 93 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't I wouldn't wish this shit on nobody. 94 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: M Is there I know sometimes guys are hesitant to 95 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: give dates, but is there is there a timetable for 96 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: a return? Do we have a chance to see you 97 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: this season? Are you going to hold tight and come 98 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: back fresh next year? 99 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: My goal, My goal is to come back. I don't 100 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: know how realistic it is, but that's just my mindset 101 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: every day and attacking the rehab. You know what I mean? 102 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: This shit has been difficult. It's challenging. You got to 103 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: push new limits every day. As soon as you hit 104 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: a checkpoint, it's another checkpoint. So it's like it's a 105 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: grind of things. So I'm really not thinking about the 106 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: dates right now. I'm just trying to hit those milestones 107 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: and those checkpoints the places where I need to be. 108 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: So I definitely got it on the board as something 109 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: that's possible, but probably not smart to put a date 110 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: out there. You know what, I'm saying, but if you 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: know me, it's hard to count me ou out of anything. 112 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: Right right before we get to the basketball side, you're 113 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: doing something new. You said you started when you got hurt, 114 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: your new show called Unguarded. What prompted you to start 115 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: this and how is the journey going in you know, 116 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: in this podcast show space. 117 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just like I said, not being able 118 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 2: to move around, trying to find things to do, find 119 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: things to get out the house and get your energy right. 120 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: And it's been therapeutic for me to use my voice 121 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: and my platform some that I've shot away from in 122 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: the past. I just like the hoop and be myself 123 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: and people that meet me and get a chance to 124 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: build a relationship with me, then they know me. But 125 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: to the fans and to the general public, I never 126 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: really cared to put myself out there. So it's been 127 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: kind of my opportunity to do that. And it's been fun. 128 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: You know, it's up and down, so challenges, a new space. 129 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: I've been in the content production space a little bit 130 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: like behind the scenes, but to be on camera and 131 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: giving opinions and you know what I'm saying, going back 132 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: and forth with fans and how to have a take 133 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: on every little thing like that's been an adjustment for me. 134 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: But I'm having fun. 135 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: Is this something you feel like you could do if 136 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: you weren't hurt, if you were in the season playing, 137 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you would have enough energy to 138 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: be able to balance? I mean, very few have been 139 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: able to do it. Draymond Green comes to mind. I 140 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: think PG was doing it, but he even took a 141 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: step back. Just something you feel like you could do 142 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: if you weren't hurt. Could you balance both of them? 143 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: Hell nah nah? And not from the standpoint that I 144 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: couldn't do it. I just don't think I had a 145 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: desire to do it, Like I just can't see myself, 146 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, preparing for a game or 147 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: in the mix of a slump or you know whatever, 148 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: like and then want to get on here and do 149 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: a podcast. So I'm building it, but I don't know, 150 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: you know, what's the long term plan? Maybe maybe like 151 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: less maybe you know what I'm saying, a couple of 152 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: times a month or something like that. I do enjoy 153 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: talking to the fans though. That's been a cool part 154 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: of our show. Is like having callers and being able 155 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: to connect with people that follow me and that support me. 156 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: So that part has been dope. But don't know about 157 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: like having an opinion on everything all the time. 158 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: You had a viral moment with with with your teammate 159 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: and one of my brothers, Kevin Durant, talking about talking 160 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: about showering. Can you talk to us a little bit 161 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: about what Katie said about his boy his hygiene. 162 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: Speaking of the podcast. He gave me a gym that 163 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: was a layup, Like I ain't even asked for that, 164 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. That's my teammates, So like 165 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get the viral moment, but like 166 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: you gave it to me. I ain't even asked for it. 167 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: So it was like I asked him what everybody always 168 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: wanted to ask him, Like why you don't brush your hair? 169 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Why you don't cut your hair? 170 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: Like that was that was the only question I had. 171 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: That was like, all right, I gotta ask you know 172 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 173 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: But I might go a day without two days, I 174 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: might go two days sometimes what I mean hopping in 175 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: that water, wait till I get to the gym. 176 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: No, no, no, shower pill not work out. I'm not 177 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: saying that that workout take a shot, not two days with. 178 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: If I'm sitting in the house like we got and haircut, 179 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: I might not. I might just want to go musty 180 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: for this. Wash your ass man, Wash your ass man? 181 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: Man? What's up with the with the hair? Though? I 182 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: don't brush your hair? I don't like for what? For what? 183 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: Why get cut? Why lotion my lotion? You don't wear 184 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: lotion either? No, I don't. I don't lotion my body 185 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: like that. 186 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: I might loation my hands if they little dry. 187 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: But he took that and went to like, I don't 188 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: use lotion to sometimes I don't shower for a couple 189 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: of days if I'm just chilling, and I'm just like, yo, 190 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: all right, thank you, thank you, you know what. That's it. Yeah, 191 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: it actually was a dope interview, but uh yeah, he 192 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: gave us a moment, so we appreciate that. Get us started, 193 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 2: you know, getting a chance. 194 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: Obviously you haven't got a chance to play with him yet, 195 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: but to see what he's doing in year eighteen, I 196 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: think twenty six and five on forty fifty ninety splits 197 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: really an elder statesman in the game. But it seems like, 198 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: this is the type of dude that could probably do 199 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: this for another five years. What have you been most 200 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: impressed by getting your chance to see him day to day, 201 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: not only on the court, but off the court. His 202 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: work ethic, he's routine. That was something I got a 203 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: chance to play with KD for about four months when 204 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: I went to Golden State. He was actually hurt, but 205 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: being able to see how hard he worked to get 206 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: back and in the depths he took his training. What 207 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: have you been most impressed by getting a chance to 208 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: see him day to day? 209 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 2: Man, it's just easy for him, you know what I'm saying, Like, 210 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: it's just easy for him out there. Just make it. 211 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: There's no contest, he don't see a defender. It's nothing 212 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: that you could really do to throw him off his game. 213 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: But the most impressive thing has just been his energy 214 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 2: and his leadership, you know what I mean, as a 215 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: as an older guy with a young team, his energy 216 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: and his communication, his presence on the day to day 217 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: basically has been great for us and it's good for 218 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: all the guys to learn from. But it's so much, 219 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: so different than the narrative, you know what I mean, 220 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: He's got a real big divide between the narrative around 221 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: him and who he actually is. So it's just been 222 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: cool to get to know him and get to see 223 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: him every day and like, Okay, this is who we 224 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: really is versus like some shit you read online. 225 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting I found about him is he 226 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck though you know about what about 227 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: perception and then reality. Obviously we found out we care. 228 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: He don't care about shower and lotion. But I think 229 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: I think there's power and obviously him being one of 230 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: the greatest players ever do it be an immediate person 231 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: I but not really caring, although he'll he'll do his 232 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: thing and take his shots back at people who take 233 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: shots at him. But he's very secure and comfortable at 234 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: the level he is, And to me, that's what's impressive 235 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: because everyone can say, oh, you know, don't pay it 236 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: to don't when you're at his level and have the 237 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: amount of Obviously he gets a lot of love, but 238 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: obviously the hate is louder than the love. And for 239 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: him to be as secure as he is in that 240 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: is it has always been really impressive to me. 241 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dope, it's dope to see, but you got 242 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: to like be around him. You know what I'm saying, 243 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: because from the outside, you're like, damn, why is Kadie 244 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: responding to somebody on Twitter? Or why he cared about 245 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: what people think? And then you're getting next to him 246 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: is like, Oh, he really actually don't give a fuck, 247 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 248 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: He'd just be over there in his own little world 249 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: talking shit. 250 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: He's just chilling. He might be you know what I mean, 251 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: getting getting his getting his ankles taped. Then he might 252 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: just fire tweet out as somebody then he go hoop. 253 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, he really actively, really online. 254 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: Now he is in tune. You know what I'm saying. 255 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 2: He do play the Internet. I give him that, but shit, 256 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: he inspired me. I threw me a couple of shots 257 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: back at a couple of people. Want there you go 258 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: there just because it's like, you know, you don't care. 259 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: It's a good therapy. 260 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: Currently, your Rockets sit at twenty two and fourteen in 261 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: a little rocky spot right now, five and five, and 262 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: you guys last had but second net rating in the league, 263 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: third and net defense and excuse me, an offense and 264 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: sixth and defense. As you kind of sit and watch 265 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: your team go through the ups and downs of the season, 266 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: where do you feel? And this is what I kind 267 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: of ask younger players, although you're a vet, and I 268 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: asked my kids that I coach, like when you're not playing, 269 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: to watch to see where you can fit in and 270 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: where you can affect the game. And it's not always scoring. 271 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: What have you seen at times you feel like your 272 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: team lacks that you bring to the table. 273 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: Man, it's just so much out there. It's just like 274 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: the game within the game. It's so much opportunity out there. 275 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: We have so many weapons. We got a deep, versatile team, 276 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: and I think we're trying to find how to put 277 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: the pieces in the right place right now. So like 278 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: we got pieces, you know what I'm saying. But it's 279 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: like throughout the season, it's our first year playing together. 280 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: It's a completely different team than what we had the 281 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: last two years since I've been here, And right now 282 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: we're going through some of that, like all right, where 283 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: do we where can we get better? You know what 284 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: I mean? So we're not shooting the ball great right now. 285 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: I think once those numbers come back up, you'll see 286 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: us take back off again. But that's kind of what 287 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: I do. You know what I mean, just being a 288 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: coach on the floor and trying to put guys in 289 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: position to be successful, garden on the perimeter, making big shots. 290 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: So that part is hard when we lose. When we win, 291 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm cool, But when we lose, and I'm like, man, damn, 292 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: I know what I'd be doing, you know, like, I 293 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: just know how much I can help, not even just 294 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: from my deduction, just for me being on the court, 295 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: like helping guys and leadership, putting them in the right spots. 296 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: There's only so much yelling you could do from the sideline. 297 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a lot of It's a lot of 298 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: room for growth for us, and that's that's exciting. It 299 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: should be exciting. 300 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: You have Amen on your team, right, that's the twin 301 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: you have. Yeah, tell me about him. I think he 302 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: is going to be a superstar, two way star, someone 303 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, filled in a little bit of point 304 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: along with Reach Shepherd. But what have you seen from 305 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: young fella that has you excited for his future and 306 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: what he brings to your guys his team. 307 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: Man, freaking nature, freaking nature just like one of one 308 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: obviously got a twin. So it's like, you know what 309 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying one of two. But right like you know, 310 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: top top, top athlete that I've been around, But I'm 311 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm bought in from the day I met him. On 312 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: who he is as a person, you know what I'm saying. 313 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: He's got the guy given ability, He's got the talent, 314 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: things that you can't teach. But one of the hardest workers, 315 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: one of the most coachable guys, one of the most 316 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: competitive guys. You got a mean streak, like he has 317 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: all of the intangibles as well, that's gonna make him great. 318 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: He's he's working through the jumper, but he keeps shooting him. 319 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: You know, he's not getting discouraged, and you know that's 320 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: a good sign to me. He wants to guard the 321 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: other team's best player. The s guy's a limit for him. 322 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: So it's been a pleasure to to help him and 323 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: you know, give him some of the experiences that I've had, 324 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: you know, to give him a foundation. But he keeps 325 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: getting better. 326 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: One thing I feel like, and we talk about a 327 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: lot on all the smoke the league laxes is veteran leadership, 328 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: but you guys are really the opposite. You know, you're 329 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: in your you're in your ten or level year ten. Obviously, 330 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: Katie's in eighteen. Steven Adams and Jeff Green are shit, 331 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: they've been around for a long time too. And then 332 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: you have a real players coach to me, one of 333 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: the best minds in the game, and e may Udoka. 334 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't think the younger crew that you guys have 335 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: understand how special the unit you have around is. Talk 336 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: to me about how the league has kind of changed 337 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: from when you first came into it to what the 338 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: league is now. But obviously your team, to me, your 339 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: team is an exception when it comes to that. 340 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, with the with the rules 341 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: changing and the roster getting bigger, and now you got 342 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: the two ways with the I think it goes hand 343 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: in hand with the parody that the league was aiming for. 344 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: You know, the ownerships came about, and they want to 345 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: play in tournament and they want all these different things, 346 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: and everybody feel like they have a shot. So it 347 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: kind of like evened everything out to where there's not 348 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: much difference between the eighth guy and the fifteenth guy anymore, 349 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like they're kind of 350 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: that that crew is kind of all of the same 351 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: now and what they stopped doing was paying an older 352 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: veteran to come, you know, sit on the bench and 353 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: give game, and be in the locker room and give game. 354 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: And they just started replacing those guys with two way 355 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: guys or young guys that may have more of an upside. 356 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: So it's definitely been tough. I think there's there's pockets 357 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: of it. We have a great situation. Our young guys 358 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: are in an incredible position because they can get game 359 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: from anywhere anywhere they look, you know, they can get 360 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: a different aspect or a different position. But then you 361 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: got the other teams where it's like, you know, it's 362 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: it's blind leading the blind. You know, it's the young guys, 363 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: straight up, the young guys leading the young guys, and 364 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: they don't know no better. So you can't really fault 365 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: them for it. But I would like to see, you know, 366 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: more vets, even if they're not contributed on the court. 367 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: It's just like teaching guys how to be men. We 368 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: and now we're getting kids that's not even getting college, 369 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: they're not even getting a college experience. So nineteen twenty 370 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: twenty one, they don't even know how to be men yet, 371 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? They don't know how to 372 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: carry themselves. They don't know how to move properly. As 373 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: we see, you know, on the on a weekly basis, 374 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: there's always a guy coming up and some shit that 375 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: you know, could be avoided. So I think it's a 376 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: lot of room for that still in the game, and 377 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: hopefully we can get back to that a little bit. 378 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Ka someone I'm a big fan of, someone I played 379 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: against for a long time. We were both in the 380 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: G League or was it the D League back then, 381 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: and kind of had our journeys throughout the league. He 382 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: had a stint in Boston, and I really think he's 383 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: found a home and really been able to kind of 384 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: show the mind of the basketball mind, his toughness, his approach. 385 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: Someone you train within the summer, not only on the court, 386 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: but in the boxing ring. What have you been the 387 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: most impressed with with your coach? 388 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: His leadership and just being a real leader of men. 389 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: It's not easy in this league, especially you know, in 390 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: this time, like we just talked about with the young guys. 391 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: So for him to be able to have the post 392 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: of the locker room his coaches is tight nipped, you know, 393 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: leading leading the entire organization. It's been it's been you know, 394 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 2: impressive to watch. And he gets credit for you know, 395 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 2: the stern face and cutting guys out and holding you accountable. 396 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: But I really just call him. He liked the black Pop, 397 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like he came up under Pops, 398 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: so he liked the if coach Pop was listening in 399 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 2: the future and running around you know what I'm saying. 400 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: That's email to me. So it's been cool to see 401 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: him grow as well. He's still a young head coach 402 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: in this league and I've seen him grow over the 403 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: last three years, and he's going to continue to get better. 404 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: But one of my favorite people and favorite coaches that 405 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: I've ever played for for sure, that's dope. 406 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: One young fella in year two who's tried to help, 407 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, feel the void that you've left behind. It 408 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: is Read Shepherd, someone who was I think one year 409 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: in college, really did his thing, tough rookie year, but 410 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: really bounce back, not really bounce back, just growth year 411 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: two afterging thirteen points a game, shooting forty percent from 412 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the line, excuse me, from the three point line. What 413 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: have you seen from him? And what kind of conversation 414 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: do you guys have on a daily basis he's taking 415 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: a jump. 416 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: This year has been great to see more opportunity, you know, 417 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: obviously with me being out. But he's got all the tools, 418 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: he's got the skills, he got the athleticism. He can 419 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: really shoot the ball like he's up there. He's up 420 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: there with some of the top shooters that I've seen 421 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: with my own two eyes. So all of our conversations 422 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: have nothing to do with any of that. Is just like, 423 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: you know, is doggie dog out there, and you know 424 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: what do you want to be? Who do you want 425 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: to be? In this league? You got to take take 426 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 2: matters into your own hands. So I'm trying to give 427 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: him more of that and let him go out there 428 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: and let his nuts hang a little bit more, because 429 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: when he does, he'll give you twenty five, He'll give 430 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: you thirty. Like he has that capability. But it's just 431 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: a matter of being a young guy in this league 432 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: and kind of finding out, you know who you want 433 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: to be. And I think some guys it takes a 434 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: little bit longer for them to realize that the power 435 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: is really in their own hands and not waiting on 436 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: somebody else to do it for you. So he's taking 437 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: a jump we've seen some flashes. I think he can 438 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: do it more. I think there's more that he can give. 439 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm right there with him, you know, 440 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: every day up. 441 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Teammate of years last year who's really carved out a 442 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: niche as kind of if you want to call it, 443 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: the NBA bad Boy. He's out in Phoenix now. Dylan Brooks, 444 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: who's after their career high twenty one points with thirty 445 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: six excuse me, forty six thirty six eighty six shooting splits, 446 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: has made a big jump. Obviously on the scoring side. 447 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: He's been one of the best defenders in the league, 448 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: but he's made a real jump on the scoring side. 449 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: Tell us the difference between like Dylan the villain and 450 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks the teammate. 451 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde. Man. It's like literally 452 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: like WWE man, like at some point, I don't know 453 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: what time on the clock when he when he turned 454 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: in and put his costume on and put put his 455 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: thing up like he turns it on man. And one 456 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: of my favorite teammates that I played with, just a 457 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: classic example of a guy you hate when he's on 458 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: the other team and you love him when he's your teammate, 459 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: the ultimate hard worker, early mornings, late nights, coming working 460 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: out two three times a day. So his his progression 461 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: is no surprise to me. I always had a ton 462 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: of respect for him in Memphis, and now he's getting 463 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: the opportunity to, you know, showcase that in Phoenix, a 464 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: team that needs him to score, a team that believes 465 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: in him. He's having an incredible year. He's having an 466 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 2: all Star caliber year. I don't know if he'll get in, 467 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: but he should be in that conversation and I just 468 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: have fun, like, you know, rilling them in and telling them, 469 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: all right, bro, you're tripping, you know what I'm saying, 470 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: Like that's all he needs because sometimes you just go 471 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: a little bit too far. So we built a great relationship, 472 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: a great report or somebody that I had, you know, 473 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: a lot of battles with and battles against, but somebody 474 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: that would I would take on my team any day. 475 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: Maybe one of your most impressive feats that you have 476 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: one of the most disrespectful ejections in NBA history. Let's 477 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: take a look at this clip real quick. 478 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: And Portland bouncing back after getting blown out last night. 479 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: They're gonna get this win. 480 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: Now. 481 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: Fred van Fleet was just thrown out of the game. 482 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: Oh, Fred has gotta be careful. Hopefully he didn't make contact. 483 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: Hopefully that's not good. 484 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: He was frustrated. 485 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: I really had to hit a shot and talk to 486 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: us about that. What do you remember most from it? 487 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, that was a day. That was a day, 488 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: you know, the crazy part. And we talked about this 489 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: a little bit, the mental side of it, and it's 490 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: something that I learned. I only ever told this to 491 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: my homie. But like, man, that was a lesson for me, 492 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: bro because if I remember correctly, my aunt had just 493 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: passed like the night before the morning of, and I 494 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: shouldn't have played. I shouldn't have played, but I pushed through. 495 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: I was on edge. I never I didn't really deal 496 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: with it, you know what I'm saying. I just I 497 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: just kept locking in, focused on my work. And then 498 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: the game happened. And you're hoping you can catch a fire, 499 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 2: catch a wave and play out of your mind and 500 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: give all the glory to your loved one, you know 501 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it was the complete opposite. It 502 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: was like everything was going wrong. So I was in 503 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: it and then I just felt like they was home me, 504 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: and you know, it built up and I let it out. 505 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: You know, it had to come out, and ultimately I'm 506 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: glad it happened like that instead of, you know, a 507 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: different way that could have been worse, but that needed 508 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: to happen. I apologized to two of the three rest 509 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: one of the guys. You know, well, we'll talk about 510 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: it whenever we talk about it, but yeah, it was 511 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: it was that was crazy. 512 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: That was crazy, not to dragon, but I think again 513 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: the mental side, people think because we play basketball and 514 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: we make a lot of money, that we're not human 515 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: that were not affected by real life situations and we're 516 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: expected it every night no matter what. I remember, I 517 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: played the day after my mom died. I mean, there's 518 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: no there's no excuses out there. We don't give no excuses, 519 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But the fact that sometimes 520 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: we're going through some real life life shit and life 521 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: be lifing, but then we still got to go out 522 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: there sometimes and hope we can lose ourselves for two hours. 523 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: Then to your point, sometimes sh it just need to 524 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: come out. 525 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, man. I wouldn't I wouldn't take 526 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: it back. I probably would do it a little differently, 527 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't. I wouldn't take it back. Usually when 528 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: I crashed out, i'd be having I'd be justified, you 529 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I felt like I was 530 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: justified in that moment. The game was just going a 531 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: little crazy, and I got my money's worth. I do 532 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: know how to get my money's worth. 533 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Fifty K. 534 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: I've got met. 535 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: I've been fined fifty K for much less. So you 536 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: definitely got your. 537 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: Mother when you told them by you weren't gonna start. 538 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 2: You weren't gonna keep jumping in. There was that the clip. Yeah, 539 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: I ain't gonna keep like that, damn bro. 540 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: The only person that ever it was crazy, and I 541 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: told it's the only person to ever pay my fine 542 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: because I got fined man almost. You know, half half 543 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: half a million dollars is a lot back then, especially 544 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: considered none of this ship was really It was always 545 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: me taking up. But the only person to pay for 546 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 1: my fines for holding up from was cold everyone else. Oh, man, 547 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: appreciate you like nah nigga appreciated by paying the fine. 548 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: Ya Yeah yeah, don't pat me on the back like 549 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: good looking, like nah nigga, take that out of your 550 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: big old check and sure, especially when I'm coming to 551 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: help you. Come on, man, anyway, man, I appreciate your time. 552 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Quick hitters. Quick, first thing to come to your mind. 553 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: Let us know toughest current player to game plan for 554 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: in your position that you gotta guard. Kyrie, he's on 555 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: his way back to the biggest difference between the league 556 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: now and when you entered in twenty sixteen shooting younger 557 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: players that you really like. Give me a couple of 558 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: guys you really like not on your team. 559 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: VJ. Come Yeah. I like the rookies this year. The 560 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: kid and Charlotte's good. H the kid in New Orleans. 561 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: Queen just had some good games. Yeah, Nipple and Charlotte 562 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: he tough shop the flag who you know started slow, 563 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: you started putting it together. Yeah. 564 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: I like this rookie class. I like this year a 565 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of talent. The next year rookie class is gonna 566 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: be tough too. One player from the past. You wish 567 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: you could have played with. 568 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: Kobe for sure. 569 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: Best and worst NBA road trip city best. 570 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: It changes, it changes. I'm gonna just I'm gonna give 571 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: the cliche answer. I can't give my real answer. I'm 572 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: gonna the Miami Miami. I can't blow the spot up. 573 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: One city you're like, damn, we gotta go here. Mine 574 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: used to be Milwaukee or Utah. 575 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably like Indianapolis. I'm like, yeah, that's another 576 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: cold national Milwaukee close to the crib. I don't know, 577 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: like cold you always go in the wintertimes at the hotel. 578 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: They need a new hotel out then, God do they ever? 579 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 2: All right? 580 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: Last question in your opinion? Ranked these three MJ, Kobe 581 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: Lebron I'm. 582 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 2: Gonna go cold one, MJ two Bron three. Ain't mad 583 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: at that? 584 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: Fred, Best of luck, Man Recovering. We can't wait to 585 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: see you back on the court. Best of luck with 586 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: your show. Tell them where they can find it weekly. 587 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: Man, find it wherever you find podcasts and videos that 588 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: if you need help, just go. Look me up on 589 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: Instagram shows called Unguarded and it's a little rehab for me, 590 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: little therapy, talking to some fans, talking some shit. So 591 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 2: check it out if you want. If not, fucking y'all 592 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: see me back on the court soon, he said, fuck 593 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: it if you want. If not, hey, if you need 594 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: some guests, let me know. Bro, it's gonna show. Love Man, 595 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: Thank you again. Yeah, Speedy Recovering, we'll talk to you soon, BRO. 596 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 2: No do I appreciate you. Bro. 597 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Thank you for Fred van Fliet for 598 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: joining us. Best of luck, BRO, get healthy. We'll catch 599 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: you guys next week. 600 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: Peace